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Learning to share would help get new school built



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MAE McCABE (Interactive, May 19) makes a fair-minded suggestion for a solution to the debate about Portobello High School – namely, why can't everyone share?
She also makes the point that the school will be returning home to Park Avenue, which is the first time I have seen mention of this.

Various sizes are being bandied about but from what I can piece together, around 15 hectares of park/golf course
will remain after the school is built.

So why does anyone who currently uses the park need to be displaced?

Reduce the size of the easy nine-hole leisure course and remodel the park. Seems like a sensible compromise.

From what I understand, the tree line will be retained and the overall number of trees in the park so the environmental impact should be minimal.

Combine that with the proposed eco-friendly building for the school and the impact should even be positive overall

Share and share alike is a great way for a community to get along. I don't know why this idea has not come forward before now, but it's a very good one, and if it saves the city tens of millions of pounds, so much the better
Matthew McGhee, Pilrig Heights, Edinburgh

Porty High should respect community
I VISITED the publicly owned Portobello Park last Saturday, which as usual was very busy. The golf course was full. Little boys were playing football watched by their parents. There were joggers, dog walkers etc. etc. The whole of the park is continually well used.

St Thomas's, Boroughmuir and St John's all want to stay on their sites where they are part of the local community. They want to retain at least part of their buildings. It is surprising that Portobello High School feels no such empathy with the local community.

The loss of Portobello Park would be very short-sighted, and whilst it might solve an immediate problem, it would do much more damage to the area in the long run, damage from which East Edinburgh cannot recover.
Sheila Fletcher, Duddingston Village, Edinburgh

Building on park is taxpayers' choice
THE wider community of Edinburgh, the people who will fund and pay for the running of a new Portobello High School, have spoken. Their elected representatives gave unanimous support for building a school in Portobello Park. They don't want to spend £30 million on an inferior school on the existing site, they are prepared to allow children and staff benefit from a green, pleasant environment.
Stephen McIntyre, Portobello High Street, Edinburgh

We're putting our trains on right track
WE are sorry to learn that Gary Smith had an unsatisfactory journey (Interactive, May 17).

From his comments, I can only assume that he travelled on a non-refurbished diesel High Speed Train. These trains are being rebuilt with new interiors for a more comfortable ride. We have finished six to date with a further seven to follow. The trains are also being fitted with new, more reliable and more fuel-efficient engines. Our 30-strong electric train fleet has already been rebuilt to popular acclaim.

In total we are spending £44 million on trains, stations, people and technology to create a bigger and better railway on this flagship route. And we are attracting record numbers of customers, many of whom are switching from the plane to the train as they discover the benefits of free Wi-Fi (introduced on day one of our new franchise), improved on-board catering (re-launched this week), better punctuality, fewer CO2 emissions and fares from Edinburgh to London from £14. There is a lot more to do, but we are getting on with it.
John Gelson, media relations manager, National Express East Coast, Station Road, York

Give us back all those NHS savings
WHEN I was born in 1945 a pregnant woman was asked to enter hospital roughly three days before her baby was born, and left roughly three days after, meaning that the cost to the NHS for every baby then born was equal to the cost of seven days intensive maternity care. Over the years maternity ward staff in all parts of the UK have repeatedly claimed that the care they get time to deliver was getting increasingly less-suited to the individual mother and baby's needs, to the point that many mothers were nearly subjected to surgery in order to get the birth over and her bed vacated.

Recently my niece was repeatedly told over the phone to remain home, or sent home from hospital on arrival until her contractions were such that she was eventually asked to return. She arrived, her baby was born three hours after and she was home three hours later. A total of six hours maternity care as against seven days.

The question that must be asked by us all is: "What has government been doing with the vast amount of taxpayers' money saved year in, year out? Certainly not using it to benefit us all by reducing income tax bills.
Gordon Lothian, Restalrig House, Restalrig Gardens, Edinburgh

Thanks to samaritan and paramedic crew
I WAS walking from Waverley Station on last Saturday night to my B&B in Newington when I became ill having suffered a diabetic low blood sugar episode.

A young lady came to my aid and helped me calling an ambulance and staying with me until it arrived. The ambulancemen did their duty and got me back to normal before allowing me to continue.

I'd like to thank these paramedics for their friendly assistance and care and also especially to the young lady who stopped to assist. Without them all I would maybe have to be hospitalised thus ruining my weekend so I am extremely grateful. I do hope they all see this letter and realise their assistance was greatly appreciated.
W Macmillan, Scott Road, Solihull, West Midlands





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  • Last Updated: 22 May 2008 8:53 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 22/05/2008 15:04:00
"The golf course was full. Little boys were playing football watched by their parents. There were joggers, dog walkers etc. etc, etc"

Was the King Of Siam there too?

2

Observer01,

22/05/2008 16:01:06
Who knows? And who knows if the DTI fraudster really lives in Portobello High Street?
3

west end girl,

edinburgh 22/05/2008 16:20:05
oooooooohhhh a publically owned park. Is that as opposed to a privatley owned one? But then they would be locked surely?
4

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 22/05/2008 16:52:20
"Isn't there some difficulty with the link between "community" and "their elected representatives have spoken"? "

That's not what I said Jim. Regardless of the the impact of the trams on the rest of the city. I accept It has been totally devaststing for you personally. I sincerely hope you get over it one day.

It sounds by the rest of your rant that you are not happy living in this democracy, especially when things don't go your way. In edinburgh, scotland, UK and the rest of the democratic world elected reps do exactly what it says on the tin: represent. They represent the communities that elect them. Not neccesarily every voter on every issue but represent is what they do. You may disagree with some of the passengers in your cab but you're still their driver.

Fortunately PHS on the park has never been a party political issue. It makes too much sense - £30m les for a much better facility. I thought you would appreciate that?
5

James (1),

22/05/2008 17:05:49
#5 Does what it says on the tin? Are you naive or what?

Long gone are the days when our elected reps actually represent us. They lie about what they will do "if" we vote them in and once they are in power they give their excuses( which normally is that it is some other parties fault).
Voting is actually about picking the best liars.
Maybe if there was not so much money in the trough for them we might actually get people who want to serve the public?
6

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 22/05/2008 17:31:48
"#5 Does what it says on the tin? Are you naive or what?"

No im not naive. I'm not talking about how well they perform when representing us (or not as the case may be). I'm talking about the simple fact that they do represent us, where it matters and where decisions are taken. We elect them to represent us. Are you in denial?

Doesn't matter if they are brilliant, fair, fraudsters,riggers adulterers, incompetent whatever....they represent their communities in the sphere of influence. They may be flawed but the system is excellent. May I respectfully suggest to yourself and Jim; if you don't like it-either change it or move somewhere else.Ideally somewhere with no trams or plans for trams and preferably with perfect elected representatives that do your personal bidding every single time. Hope you enjoy it.

Alternatively why not take time to reflect on what a wonderful city it is that you live, work and play in. And wonder just how it gt that way?

7

Head of Current Affairs,

Portobello 22/05/2008 17:47:04
Sheila Fletcher in "Porty High should respect community" writes: "The whole of the park is continually well used." That doesn't tally with my observations and I pass by the park on a regular basis.

However, I'm delighted to hear that the golf course is being well used because there are NO plans to build anything on the golf course. Pass it on - that's just a scare story being put about by PPAG.

As for the remainder of the park, yes, the football pitches are used and when the new school is built it will include 2 full-size pitches along with a new all-weather pitch. Not only will these facilities be fully utilised by the 1450 kids who currently don't have access to green space, they will also be available for community use out of school hours.

So who does that leave? Ah yes, joggers and dog-walkers. I'm sure that the park is big enough to accomodate these people as well, but if not then there is always the beautiful Figgate Park just a short distance away.

Sheila need not be alarmed. PHS will not be moving out of the community. It will be moving a very short distance to a much better site, placing it at the very heart of the catchment area it serves.
8

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 22/05/2008 19:25:28
Before PHS is built on Portobello Park Sheila Fletcher wrote:

"I visited the publically owned Portobello Park last Saturday.....The golf course was full. Little boys were playing football watched by their parents. There were joggers, dog walkers etc. etc, etc"

After PHS is built on Portobello Park Sheila Fletcher will be still be able to write:

""I visited the publically owned Portobello Park last Saturday.....The golf course was full. Little boys were playing football watched by their parents. There were joggers, dog walkers etc. etc, etc""

And Sheila will be able to add " There's a publically owned School there too and the little girls got a game too"
9

James (1),

22/05/2008 23:02:15
#7 "Doesn't matter if they are brilliant, fair, fraudsters,riggers adulterers, incompetent whatever...."
Please I never asked you to describe them!

The way you describe it is that they are doing us a FAVOUR by actually doing their job. Now whilst you may be willing to accept low standards I am not. Whilst you may be willing to allow them to line their own pockets because its public money being squandered then again I am not.

No one party will get everything right and to thinks they would is deluding yourself. However when the party you vote for (because you agreed with what they promised they would do)get in and do not do what they promised I think to sit and say nothing about it is not acceptable. Which again is not your view. You are quite happy for them to shaft you "just a bit, I mean its expected!".
The are paid extremely well AND they volunteered so to expect them to do their job (no more, no less) is not asking too much.
10

James (1),

22/05/2008 23:05:33
#7 One other thing you say "May I respectfully suggest to yourself and Jim; if you don't like it-either change it or move somewhere else."
Democracy- Jim and I think its wrong, you think its right. That's 2 to 1 so I repectfully suggest its you who must move.
Write soon and tell us what its like!
11

Life of a Liberal?,

Portobello Park and still waiting 23/05/2008 02:46:18
Dear Shiela,
"The whole of the park is continually well used". Pure fantasy.
As for those little boys playing football, they will grow up to be bigger boys playing football and no doubt they will want a nice new school on Portobello Park with a new pool, an all weather pitch, and you never know, the 2 remaining grass pitches may be nice and level and not covered in dog s**t.
12

Life of a Liberal?,

The grassy Knoll 23/05/2008 02:51:08
Dear Jim, the conspiracy bit is wearing thin. Get a life. You don't like the trams, well who does.
Why don't you stand for election, think of all those taxi drivers who would vote for you. HAW! HAW! HAW!.
13

Ghost,

23/05/2008 08:26:49
Jim, don't get your hopes up - Stevie Mac doesn't "do" debate. He does insult and derision, unless of course you share his view in which case he does smarm and smugness. Democracy is of little interest to Stevie Mac.
14

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 23/05/2008 09:00:48
Jim Taylor- "Stevie Mac

I'd rather put a bullet in their brain, or yours...........So much so, I contend Democracy can'y possibly exist. Want to debate it?"

That will be a NO Jim, you are too far gone.
15

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 23/05/2008 09:02:53
James writes- "The way you describe it is that they are doing us a FAVOUR by actually doing their job. Now whilst you may be willing to accept low standards I am not. Whilst you may be willing to allow them to line their own pockets because its public money being squandered then again I am not."

I didn't describe them at all. My only point is: they are elecetd to represent their communities.

16

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 23/05/2008 09:07:21
Ghost- "Stevie Mac doesn't "do" debate. He does insult and derision..."

Think the word you may be looking for is humiliation, not that I do it but I guess it must be how it feels sometines. As for the smarm? Coming from the king of the big HIYAAAAH! that's pretty rich.
17

James (1),

23/05/2008 22:41:15
#17 you are 100% correct when you say "they are elecetd (you did mean elected?) to represent their communities."

The reason they got elected? They promised certain things! We will do this for you and we will do that for you! Vote for us and we did.

Now they are in power what happens? They renege on their promises and blame all and sundry for not carrying out their promises. Too hot, too cold, too sunny, too dark absolutely anything to not carry out their promises.
Next round of elections come and out come the new lies.

Times change and so do public representatives. They have truly forgotten that they are their for OUR benefit.
18

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 28/05/2008 21:40:36
Not sure if I agree or disagree with you James but they are elected to represent us it is inescapable. I was going to say it is a no brainer but it must be something worse.

 

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