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Knife crime: 'A knife is every bit as deadly as a firearm'



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THE brutal stabbing of a 22-year-old man who went to the aid of a girlfriend being molested by two thugs at T in the Park has come at a time when knife crime is high up the political agenda.
Today, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is due to outline Westminster's latest response to the country's growing blade culture just days after Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill promised tougher sentences for knife offences. If what Ms Smith is
said to be proposing is true, it has to be said that the approach being proposed in Scotland appears far more direct and more likely to bring results.

Ms Smith's plan to make offenders face up to their victims and visit stab victims in hospital have already been written off by opposition politicians as "half baked". To an extent that is true in that the only remorse that many who carry, and are prepared to use, a knife will have is that of being caught.

Blade crime is not a new phenomena and in Scotland can be traced back as far as the razor gangs of the 1950s and 60s. Readily available and cheap knives have always been a weapon of choice for violent criminals. But what is becoming of some concern is that there are signs that more youngsters than ever before are now arming themselves as a matter of course – with a growing number of incidents being recorded, even in schools.

Almost 1200 victims of knife attacks were hospitalised in Scotland last year and while the problems in cities such as Edinburgh are nowhere as great as in London – where 27 teenagers were stabbed last year – police have mounted campaigns including stop and search operations on buses and outside clubs to deter those who would carry such a weapon. But while there is little doubt that such initiatives have proved effective in reducing trouble in the city centre outlying areas remain a problem.

Politicians have already given the courts more powers by upgrading the offence of carrying a knife. It is time that they used them.

All too often the perpetrator's excuse for being in possession is that the weapon is solely being carried for protection. That is feeble. There has to be a presumption that if someone is carrying a knife then they are prepared to use it and should be dealt with accordingly.

Measures like being made to confront victims are all very well as part of a mix but hardly in the final analysis a deterrent that will have many quaking in their boots.

A knife is a potentially lethal weapon, every bit as deadly as a firearm. It is time it was treated as such and the full force of the law should be brought upon anyone foolish enough to carry one.

An automatic jail sentence would make many think twice before arming themselves.





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  • Last Updated: 15 July 2008 9:42 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Knife culture
 
1

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

15/07/2008 11:27:48
The SNP and Kenny MacAskill are a joke when it comes to violent crime.

I think their problem is the same as Labour's. A lot of clients of the state vote for these parties and they need the votes of the parents, friends and families of violent criminals and thugs.

I do think the SNP need to go against their core voters on this issue though and provide long jail sentences for violence, rather than sending them on action adventure holidays.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 15/07/2008 13:02:31
I wonder about the statistical relationship between a Labour safe seat and knife crimes committed.

Put these Jakies in jail, stop the benefits, put some flaming police on the streets to protect the people not to simply record the assaults after the crime.
3

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15/07/2008 13:06:44
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eric,

lothian 15/07/2008 13:20:43
knife crime has been bad for 20yrs more .Just what have labour done about it!ZILCH.
5

Brian Ferrari,

15/07/2008 13:22:26
'A knife is every bit as deadly as a firearm'

No it's not.
6

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/07/2008 13:30:13
#5:

You beat me to it Brian.

With a knife you need to be close to your victim, with a firearm you do not. You can wave a knife around in perfect safety, but if you wave a gun around and it goes off, you can kill people.

I was wondering how long it was going to be before the "knee-jerk, up-in-arms" brigade siezed the opportunity to jump on this particular bandwagon. It is a great pity because they are actually cheapening what is a worthwhile cause by pretending it is worse than it really is and by making statements like the headline.
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Alberto.,

15/07/2008 14:08:44
‘Congratulations!’ - to our 'brilliant' Home Secretary for her latest and outstanding contribution to solving really violent crime, (who could have thought of it?) - to enable it to be said that she has 'passed with flying colours!' Our highest award goes to her for such guidance to make us forget all our worries about the current ‘explosive’ curse of knife crime!

Well done!

Now what about the simpler, but just as devastating matter of - ‘Gun Crime’ which no doubt has been mentioned!

Her personal 'Certificate of Insanity' is already in the Post - First Class of course, so it will, hopefully, arrive before you go - to wherever!

Condolences are, of course, sent to Mr MacAskill one of our 'Scottish' operatives, apparently it seems - so we are informed, in the same line of business!

Sorry, Mr MacAskill, but with obviously all your best endeavours (and we know the Public recognise your efforts, as everyone seems to remark on them!)) but Ms Smith's final act, presumably before disappearing, simply 'pips you at the Post' - that's life for you! Beaten by a Woman, would you know! Is nothing sacred any more!!!!

I know you are still held in high esteem by some, albeit seemingly not many, as, only the other day I heard someone remark ' That MacAskill chappie, he's almost another 'Budding Goossens' - at least it sounded something like that'. So there you go, perhaps never to be forgotten!

You have, of course, in view of your position, been awarded our ‘First’ NTG (‘Nowhere to go!) medal with ribbon (already in the post!) for your absolutely astounding views on solving criminal matters, which has caused great concern to the Public!

Hopefully, in view of your apparent, and so I understand, well deserved forthcoming move - presumably ‘up the ladder’, as seems to be the chosen procedure nowadays, you will appreciate, due to the time factor, an ‘official’ and formal medal presentation will not be made!

Also, as I am reminded, the date we had officiall
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Alberto.,

15/07/2008 14:13:33
#7 Alberto Cont'd.....

Also, as I am reminded, the date we had officially ‘marked off’- for such an occasion, apparently clashes, with some ‘looked forward to local ‘footie match’ and we didn’t want to cause too much dis-appointment to so many people! No doubt you will understand!
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15/07/2008 15:19:12
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15/07/2008 15:22:57
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Allan(handofgod137),

15/07/2008 16:03:44
#5,#6 & #9
But a knife is silent and never needs reloading, while a firearm requires skill and practice in order to be deadly!
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McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

15/07/2008 16:14:00
I enjoy reading the idiotic posts of the SNP supporters.

Knives are not as bad as guns because they only leave faces shredded and ruin a persons life through lack of confidence, no sex life, being stigmatised as a violent thug because of your scars, lost emplyment opportunities.

Oh yeah, but you keep your life, right? You scumbags make me sick with your attempts at downgrading knife crime.
13

James (1),

15/07/2008 16:27:56
#5+6 are you both being real?
"With a knife you need to be close to your victim, with a firearm you do not. You can wave a knife around in perfect safety, but if you wave a gun around and it goes off, you can kill people"
What has distance to do with being deadly? Wave a gun AND etc. Wave a knife AND cut an artery and nothing happens?
You have not really thought this through have you? You just jumped in without thinking what the previous post was saying!
Knife kills you by stabbing. Gun kills you by shooting. So are you more "seriously" dead because it was a gun?
Some of the things you come out with are ludicrous!
14

Vandala,

15/07/2008 17:15:30
Where does a chainsaw rank on the scale?
15

an interested party,

15/07/2008 17:17:49
Weapons are dangerous shocker

anything used as a weapon is dangerous
knifes and guns are small and easier to carry
than say axes, or crow bars etc
16

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/07/2008 18:16:47
The premise of the title is ridiculous. At anything over 7 yards, a person with a gun would have to be a poor shot not to beat someone with a knife.

Mind, a circus knife-thrower might just have the edge.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/07/2008 18:22:15
Quoting the article:

"All too often the perpetrator's excuse for being in possession is that the weapon is solely being carried for protection. That is feeble. There has to be a presumption that if someone is carrying a knife then they are prepared to use it and should be dealt with accordingly."

Yet if the Evening news and its avid readers were confronted by a story where a plucky young girl used a kitchen knife to stab and deter a rather large rapist, would we really all be sorry for the rapist and demanding that rapists get a fairer chance next time?

Thinking simplistically about violence and how people might defend themselves against stronger predators isn't going to get us anywhere near solving the problem.
18

Auckland Arab2,

16/07/2008 10:10:57
#17 In that case why not give that poor woman a gun? Look there are always self defence stories that are valid but the fact remains that if you carry a weapon (gun or knife) you are far more likely to be the victim of a gun or knife. As for these banal proposals from Smith - she is a freakin' loon! Typical nanny state nonsense. The reason we have so much crime is because the same criminals who commit most of the crime are out on the street, re-offending. Education will take a generation to see some real effects, so do we do nothing until then? Come back Norman Tebbitt! Put these people behind bars.
19

an interested party,

17/07/2008 09:09:19
but armed polis carry gun for protection
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celtic4,

USA 28/07/2008 15:23:23
A knife can be as deadly as a gun, up close. If several yards away, not.
But there are gun crimes being commited as well. Where are the gun users getting these guns, if there is a gun ban in Scotland??? That needs to be looked at seriously.
And if knife crime has been on since the 50's, why not DO something about it? Give the perps jail time!!! How hard is that really?
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celtic4,

USA 28/07/2008 15:25:16
Do you honestly believe that anyone carrying a MACHETE in the USA would NOT be arrested? Think again. That is purely unreasonable and with intent.

 

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