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You're never going to believe this, but painting the Forth Bridge is almost licked



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Published Date: 18 February 2008
IT WAS known as the job that never ends, but the project to paint the Forth Bridge is finally nearing completion. Rail officials are due to announce today that painting the bridge is to be finished faster and far more cheaply than expected.
Network Rail chiefs will reveal substantial savings have been made on the £180 million project and it will be completed a year early, The Scotsman has learned.

This would mean painters on the bridge could lay down their brushes in four years' time – and not have to return in force for at least a quarter of a century.

The original repainting scheme, costing £40 million, which should have been completed in 2001, was terminated early following a series of problems. The project was also found to have underestimated the scale of the work required.

Previously, Railtrack – Network Rail's predecessor – spent only about £500,000 a year on painting the bridge. New coats were applied on top of existing paint – but in areas where they were needed rather than as an end-to-end process. The paint lasted six to ten years.

By contrast, Network Rail said a new "glass flake epoxy" formula being used creates a chemical bond which provides an almost impenetrable layer to protect the bridge's steelwork from the weather.

The news is likely to be welcomed by tourists and residents as it will mean early removal of scaffolding which has shrouded sections of the 118-year-old landmark to ensure none of the old or new paint falls into the Forth.

It is also likely to be hailed by rail officials as such early finishes are unusual amid many projects running late and over budget.

Iain Coucher, Network Rail's chief executive, is expected to announce details of the breakthrough at a rail conference in Edinburgh to be addressed by John Swinney, the finance secretary, and other industry chiefs.

A spokesman for the firm told The Scotsman: "Mr Coucher will be officially announcing a new contract which will see the works on the bridge completed earlier than anticipated and with significant savings."

The move comes months after Ron McAulay, Network Rail's Scotland director, announced the painting team had achieved "significant efficiency savings" and maintained a first-class safety record. Overall costs have fallen by 27 per cent over the last five years. Last year, no official date for the completion of the project was announced in case funding had to be diverted to more urgent work elsewhere.

Network Rail said at the time that some 70 per cent of the job was finished. It has involved up to 200 workers.

Mr McAulay said once the work was finished "a complete repaint of the bridge will not be required for many, many years".

The current £13 million-a-year contract, which began in 2002, involves stripping the paint using high-powered blasters and replacing it with the new formula designed for North Sea rigs.

THE BRIDGE BY NUMBERS

£13 million
Current annual spending on painting the bridge

£500,000
Previous annual painting spending

118
Age of Forth Bridge in years

2013
Expected completion of the paint job

1997
Start of original painting contract

25
Expected lifespan of new paint in years

3
Layers of paint in new glass flake epoxy process

200
Number of workers painting bridge

50,958
Tonnes of steel used for the bridge

4,600
Number of workers who built the bridge


The full article contains 583 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 February 2008 2:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 18/02/2008 00:21:09
Thank goodness for that, let us hope it is not allowed to lapse so badly again.
2

Sylvia in Regina,

Canada 18/02/2008 00:52:42
We will be going to visit relative in 2009, so we are looking forward to seeing this great bridge.

In passing, I know that the Haggis Hunt is over, but I did so enjoy going to the webcams to see Scotland, England, etc., and view the lovely pictures... I have emailed the Scotsman three times but they never let me know what happened to it. Is there a site I can find these webcams??

Have a great day everyone!!!
3

Senga Jean,

Scotland 18/02/2008 00:58:21
So Cathy Jamieson's wish to demolish the Forth Rail Bridge was a tad premature. Typical Nu Labour .
4

J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 18/02/2008 01:05:35
#4

When did she say this
5

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 18/02/2008 01:13:30
1
The Scottish Executive,
1

Dude I agree with U 100%.


In July I will be in Scotland and will use my new NIKON D300 camera with appropriate lens to takes shots.

GC
6

Jim A,

18/02/2008 01:36:20
#3 Sylvia in Regina (sounds very regal) here you go my dear, enjoy. http://www.scotsman.com/webcams.aspx
7

Guga II,

Rockall 18/02/2008 02:41:32
#6 Galactic Cornball.

I'd have thought a cool dude like you would have bought himself a D3 rather than a D300.
8

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 18/02/2008 02:46:44

Guga II,
Rockall

Dude, the D3 is too bulky . And hard to operate without a tripod.

Get real Dude, I am an amateur in the photo business.

GC
9

Navvy,

18/02/2008 02:53:43
#1 Better be quick and get your photos before out daft government builds a third bridge thus spoiling the view of the other 2

They shold of course be building a tunnel
10

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/02/2008 03:32:57
send the painters over here please the wifes had me painting all day i need a hand
11

Julian.,

edinburgh 18/02/2008 03:38:17
#4 Senga Jean,

Yeah, come on. When did she say it.

We want to know who the idiot is. Cathy Jamieson or you?
12

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 03:57:46
Let me get this right suddenly we have an SNP government and things to to happen is that the story here?????
13

Royster,

18/02/2008 05:59:11
Sounds like they've employed a bunch of cowboys.
14

Sylvia in Regina,

Canada 18/02/2008 06:20:33
#7 Jim A: Thank you so much. This will get me by until the Scotsman puts back the regular webcams.

Cheers!!!
15

Scottie,

South Africa 18/02/2008 07:25:05
Sign of the times? We learnt years ago in primary school about the bridge that was continously being painted, what are they going to teach now? :)
16

Agent 99,

Under the bridge 18/02/2008 08:06:13
This is a truly great day.

Colinton.Mains has found the caps lock key and turned it off.
17

Jock 107,

18/02/2008 08:07:59
Another victory for the SNP!
18

danielrober,

18/02/2008 08:13:34
Cool. A nice solid technological improvement.
19

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:19:17
#16 Scottie

Indeed. No longer will we be able to say a task is like painting the Forth Bridge. It'll be like saying to a kid 'change the record'.
20

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:23:47
#12,she said it alright,was 2-3 years ago.Remember reading it,caused a right stushie
21

thinking,

Scotland 18/02/2008 08:27:16
#3 sorry to disappoint, but by my reading of the above article, it's not due to be finished until 2013

It's good that a better paint job is underway at a reduced cost and a year early but I will reserve cheering until the last 30% is actually finished!!
22

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 18/02/2008 08:33:56
This new system is a failure. Look at the sums:

The old costs were half a million a year, the new costs are £90m spread over 25 years. That's about four and half million a year. Where's the 'saving'?
23

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 08:58:49
This is nothing at all to do with the current government. This is a Network Rail project. That's a national organisation, if you remember. It is, if you like, part of the "union dividend". :-)

What a lot of nonsense about Cathy Jamieson. Typical Nat slur. She said nothing of the kind.
24

Fred in sunny Sydney,

sydney 18/02/2008 09:06:52
when you are finished painting out Queensferry way, can you hop down to Sydney.

we have a bridge that is always in need of painting too..

http://members.tripod.com/patstantontour/
25

voltaire's janny,

18/02/2008 09:16:53
It's not about saving. It's about the 25 years free of scaffolding and risk of the odd squished yachtie. That sum wouldn't keep Rangers in mediocre midfielders for that long and the bridge is a Scottish icon., well worth it.

Do you ever hear about the cost of the road bridge?

Where's AM2 to claim this as a benfit of Union?
26

voltaire's janny,

18/02/2008 09:18:24
Ah Dunkie! Crossed posts but there you go...
27

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 09:20:37
#27 I aim to please. :-)
28

voltaire's janny,

18/02/2008 09:21:15
Has any of you done the bridge walk in Sydney? Surely we could do the same on the Forth. They said it couldnae be done there, but one persistent chap made it so; now it rakes in millions and helps pay for upkeep.

Simply to play with the cable passer gadget is worth the entrance fee itself!
29

cleaning the bathroom,

inn the bathroom 18/02/2008 09:35:03
I bet they've known all along it was going to finish early... they just just over inflated the original cost and time and then bring it down nearer the time - I mean lets face it how many cantilever bridges over 100 years are there in there in the world that have to sit through Scottish Weather ?? exactly.... it is a wonderful achievement and a reflection on human ingenuity and safety too! I think they should have another fireworks display to mark the occasion and lets beseige south queensferry again and fill the pubs!
30

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 18/02/2008 10:35:34
# 28 Duncan in Edinburgh

Whenst having a "wiz" you aim too,please!

Just having a bit of fun because I took my Black Lab "Chester" for his morning walkies and it is freezing rain outside and we were slipping and sliding almost into the Rideau River which is about a block away from me.

Because of our efforts I am having a wee bit of sherry with my tea and CHester get extra rations.

WE DESERVE THESE TREATS AFTER BRAVING THE COLD ELEMENTS OF OTTAWA. It is going down to -19C in a few days WITH much snow.

Ah, to live in the salubrious climes of Ottawa, Canada

31

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 10:46:43
Sounds like good news
32

donald,

glasgow 18/02/2008 11:08:19
Spot the Yank with the flashy camera.
33

Irn-Bruce,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 11:18:40
#29 - I did the Sydney Harbour Bridge climb a couple of years ago, and wondered the same thing.

Would probably be easier from the Fife side, as the northern cantilever is closer to the shore (getting to the middle cantilever would be too far and difficult).

I guess the weather would be the biggest impasse. They only cancel Harbour Bridge climbs in thunderstorms, but climb at all other times - but Sydney's average temperature is just a but higher than ours.

Climbing in the rain, when it's mild, is one thing, but climing in freezing cold rain, when it's blowing a gale, would be quite another.

Weather aside, it would be an amazing attraction.
34

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 11:31:48
#32 Despite your freezing temperatures I am massively jealous - I have always wanted a black lab. One day, when we can afford to live somewhere with a garden and access to countryside...
35

John Graham,

Dunfermline 18/02/2008 11:49:34
This has been a very difficult job to do with modern Health & Safety safeguards, and all those involved deserve congratulations. Our world class Bridge has been suffering since the "maintenance holiday" that was imposed in the late days of British Railways.

One correction - the Bridge was opened in March 1890, so it is 108 years old this year (not 118 years as reported).
36

Big Eddie,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 12:24:42
John Graham of Dunfermline: you really ought to have paid more attention in arithmetic. If you're going to correct a mistake, make sure that it really is wrong. Otherwise, you end up looking like a bit of a lemon.

By the way, next time it's painted, can we have it in a different colour? I'm getting a bit bored with that red. Maybe a nice neutral magnolia :)
37

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 13:00:32
Terrific news about this grand old lady. Perhaps once the painting is finished we can light it properly, cf the Eiffel Tower.

No 10 navvy, I agree a tunnel is the best long term solution. More expensive but cheaper in the long run and not affected by strong winds either which I am led to believe will increase in frequency due to global warming.

Did I hear someone say it's not too late to go for a tunnel? If so it should be re-thought.
38

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 18/02/2008 13:11:16
Oh well, I'll continue my search for a story in the Scotsman and about Scotland that isn't either the fault of the Labour party or a credit to the SNP - or vice-versa.

Maybe a wee snippet about the progress with Nardini's old building in Largs? Nah. That'd be fodder for the nattering nabobs on this board too.
39

voltaire's janny,

18/02/2008 13:22:12
Maybe so Irn Bruce, but the night I did the SHB it was raining and freezing and they had lightning just before. The only problem is they keep enforcing photie-stops so as to flog pix when yer done. If you could keep going you'd be fine, but I froze my b***s off in so called sunny Oz. OK no comparison to a wet n windy in the Forth, but hardy souls would do it anway.
40

pf9,

Aberdeen 18/02/2008 13:30:43
#26 During the Public Inquiry of 2004 into the proposed toll increase FETA claimed that painting of the Forth Road Bridge would cost an estimated £65 Million pounds. When asked what the estimate was based on they said the Forth Rail Bridge - hardly comparable.
41

Graeme2,

Aberdeen 18/02/2008 13:47:50
I hate to be a bit of a spoil sport but the epoxy system used is not that great. It will not last decades, that is just salesman talk! Flame sprayed aluminium would have. You just needed to phone a couple of Corrosion Engineers in the oil industry to get the real story. Sorry lads but you have been hoodwinked by the Civil Engineering brigade.
42

Braesbear,

18/02/2008 15:09:08
43 Graeme2

You are a bit off the mark and not in possession of the full facts.

Thermal Spray Aluminium (TSA) while providing excellent corrosion protection is not practical in this instance as it requires a very high standard of surface preparation prior to application of the TSA and application must be under controlled temperature and humidity conditions which are not easily achievable on structures such as this bridge. TSA is also very expensive to apply in comparison with costs in excess of £40 per square metre likely. Add that to the very slow rate of application of TSA and we have a project that costs 4 times as much and takes 4 times as long to complete.

On the other hand Network Rail have opted for a Glass Flake Epoxy system which is much simpler to apply and is cheaper, providing 25 years life.

Your corrosion engineer pals really should know better as Glass Flake and other High Density Epoxies have been used extensively in the North Sea with real time excellent results in excess of 25 years.

No salesman talk. Refer to Norsok M501 standard
43

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/02/2008 15:10:00
#3 Sylvia

Read the article again. They have 4 more years to go until the work is complete. Unfortunately the Scotsman chooses once again to misrepresent the facts. The work will now finish in 2012 rather than 2013 and so will not be complete in time for your visit. Hope you still have a great time though.
44

Discretionpvs,

Huntsville (moose country) 18/02/2008 15:15:18
#32 TimW1234 Cold in Ottawa at -19 you say? Move west to the other side of The Park. So far this year we've had three nights below -35, and presently, even with the melt, have 2 ft of heavily packed snow in my yard, and more predicted. Oh for the days of a few years ago when I could select a team from my 12 Siberian Huskies and go for a run in the bush, right from my yard. Sadly, due to health and age, I am down to 2 house cats, and no dogs (normal attrition only). Chester-- fine name for a Lab. My older son had a Golden of the same name.
45

Glyndur,

Calgary, Alberta 18/02/2008 15:24:01
The bridge is almost done ? Does that include the time to clean the brushes afterwards or is that a separate budget ?
46

Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 16:44:52
44 Braesbeer-here in SA we use recoatable twin pack urethanes for external steel with much success. Presume the temp. differences are a major factor in Scotland. Epoxies are not favoured in direct sunlight here as our harsh sun chalks these surfaces very quickly so interested to hear of there use in your part of the world.
47

Geoff,

18/02/2008 16:45:52
47 Glyndur-and what of the tea breaks?
48

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 18:38:09
23, Rulesetc. The figures you quote are based on Railtrack's cost cutting plan which was eventually considered as a safety hazard. Bits began descending upon maritime maniacs.
49

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 18:40:34
50, further to. The bits were descending of their own violition, due to the lack of maintainence.
50

sandy58,

Aberdeen 18/02/2008 19:09:18
To Sylvia in Regina, Canada. Re; Webcams.
http://www.ukwebcameras.co.uk/Scotland-Cams/1000002.html
I hope this helps, Sylvia. Have a "great visit" when it comes around, lassie. You are all welcome any time.
ATB
Sandy Kelman :-)
51

Waspy100,

18/02/2008 19:15:37
#3
Sylvia
Type camvista in the google box and follow the links
You can travel all over the workld with this
Enjoy
52

Waspy100,

18/02/2008 19:25:33
The cost for the entire Øresund connection construction, including motorway and railway connections on land, was calculated to DKK 30.1 billion according to the 2000 year price index. The cost of the bridge is expected to be paid back by 2035. Sweden has started spending SEK 9.45 billion more, on the Malmö City Tunnel (2006-2012) as a new rail connection to the bridge.

Which when currency is converted is a lot less than the £4.2 billion quoted for the new road bridge
This bridge and its causway is something else.
Had the pleasure of sailing through last June on the RCL Navigator just made it by 900mm less than three foot
53

Saoghal Beag,

18/02/2008 19:53:49
Is labour red really the right colour now????

think we need to start again.
54

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 20:55:43
# 37............ John. Correction....... 1890 to 2008 is in fact 118 years and not 108 years You should have gone to a Catholic school,better education there!
55

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 21:39:05
Thing that intrigues me about about Waspy is that she posts as a well travelled monoglot. She can tell the clearance of a boat on a bridge in Sweden but cannot ask for a loaf of bread in Germany.

The clearance must have been in the on-board brochure as I have tried to measure the clearance whenever the Rosyth ferry passes under the Forth bridges. And there was me having spent all those years as a Land Surveyor (which is 3 dimensional)

But the sailing times are all to do with the tides.
56

symes,

Auchtermuchty 18/02/2008 21:41:51
Surely, in the vital statistics at the foot of the article, some mention should be made of the 57 lives that were lost building the bridge. Especially as, after extensive research by local historians, the true figure is now suggested as being as high as 98. ???
57

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 21:55:05
58, Symes. Heard a tale about some poor guy who fell down one of the tubular structures. Ah, well. His story was never told - if it was true. Thing would never have been built today with all the health and safety pen-pusher money making nonsense we have today.
58

Conan the Librarian™,

18/02/2008 22:20:06
59
I grew up in Queensferry, and was told many horror stories about the bridge.
The worse one was a group of workers trapped undersea in one of the caissons.They were fed poisoned food...
59

RedSwanie,

18/02/2008 22:51:31
I think the real story here is GC warning us he is on his way over. Only #34 Donald seems to have caught the message.
60

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 23:09:10
60, Conan. Not shrooms? Fear not, 61, Red Swanie, Queensfery shrooms may yet do for a dude from Murrieta with a camera.
61

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 23:16:56
On a more serious note, Conan, what I heard was that as he fallen down and there was no way of getting him out, they just kept on building. His bones are still there.

Now, getting GC a similar fate.........?
Or better still, meeting for a pint in South Queensferrybefore doing a Davie Balfour on him. (Forget that. He might just end up back in America)
62

voltaire's janny,

19/02/2008 11:36:56
When you climb the Sydney bridge you are told that the hatches you can see were for the small boys who would be inside the tubes providing the resistance against which rivets were hammered. The protocol was one dude who heated the rivet, another who caught the lobbed red hot metal in a glove or mitt and positioned for the hammer guy whilst the kid held another hammer or mass of some kind against the hole from the inside. The holes were drilled in advance by another dude further along.

Health and safety were not much in evidence. there are a purported 6 million rivets in the bridge and about a million in the drink along with a hundred or more victims.
63

531 Biker,

NQ 19/02/2008 12:07:57
And the really best part of it is we'll not have long to suffer the lunatic driving of the bridge workers as they scream in and out of the village!
64

Gina Gibson,

Wales 21/02/2008 09:14:16
Instead of describing an unending task as
"Like painting the Forth Bridge"
we could describe it as
"Like repairing the Scottish Parliament Building!"

 

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