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Why farms must change to save the planet



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FARMING is to blame for 25 per cent of Scotland's greenhouse gas emissions, a new report has revealed. The study into agriculture and its impact on the environment says radical changes are needed to centuries-old practices if Scotland is to meet its targets to tackle climate change.
It dispels the myth that it is only air travel, shipping and excessive car use that unleash huge quantities of damaging carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Instead, it lays a big portion of the blame on farming.

Drastic solutions have been put forward in the study to tackle the problem. These include measures to cut the harmful methane emissions produced by cattle as they digest their food. This could involve replacing Scotland's traditional cattle species, such as the Aberdeen Angus, with faster-growing continental varieties that will produce less methane before they are slaughtered.

Another option would be to reduce the number of cattle, which produce 26 per cent of farming's total emissions through methane.

Alternatively, cattle could be fed cereal crops, which improve their digestion, but that would use up crucial barley and wheat at a time of global food shortages. Another possible solution would be to replace farmland with woodland, which soaks up carbon from the atmosphere.

Speaking at the launch of the report, Michael Russell, the environment minister, said farmers had to be "concerned" and must play their role in tackling the damaging emissions heating up the planet.

But Jonathan Hall, the head of rural policy at NFU Scotland, said drastic changes to farming could be "catastrophic", not just for farmers but for the economy.

And John Picken, a Fife cereal farmer, said the best use of the world's resources was to grow food locally rather than to cut back on farmland, which would force the agriculture industry abroad.

The report, "Climate Change and Scottish Agriculture", was put together by farming groups such as the NFU, environment bodies and members of the government to look at possible ways forward. It says the farming community can play a huge role in helping the government meet its target of reducing emissions by 80 per cent by 2020.

But Mr Hall said it was wrong to get too concerned about the level of emissions produced by farming. "Climate change is a global issue and if Scotland was to play the role of wanting to reduce its emissions from agriculture then all it would do is force farmers out of business," he said.

He claimed it would also have a tiny impact on the world's emissions.

Cutting local supplies of food would increase dependence on imports, which he said could actually increase Scotland's overall emissions due to the need to rely on transporting products from abroad.

"The clear message I have got is that simply forcing Scotland's agriculture to reduce emissions would not solve the problem, as it's a global problem," he said. "The consequences for the rural economy would be catastrophic."

Farmland covers three-quarters of Scotland and some 67,000 people are employed in the agricultural sector. It contributes about £2 billion to the economy.

Mr Russell said he wanted the report, commissioned by the Scottish Government's Agriculture and Climate Change Stakeholder Group, to be a "platform for action", and added that he would be using next month's Royal Highland Show to work with the farming sector to find ways to mitigate the effects of climate change.

He said there were no threats to the farming industry. "We are not saying you should no longer exist. We are saying what are the adaptation routes?

"I don't think farmers should feel worried. I think they should feel concern. The concern should be that they have a role to play in climate change. They shouldn't be worried about it because there's no prospect of saying we should cut emissions by cutting this sector. That would be a ridiculous solution," he said.

He also said climate change brought opportunities for farmers – and Mr Hall agrees.

"I think farmers should continue as they are doing now, but I also think there's room for the industry to look at some win-win steps it should take," he said.

He said these could include using renewable energy, which would reduce farmers' dependence on costly fossil fuels and help cut emissions at the same time.

The report explains how climate change will bring challenges as well as opportunities for farmers.

As the climate warms, rainfall is expected to increase and most areas in Scotland are expected to experience a longer growing season. This should lead to improved crop growth. New crops not currently grown in Scotland – such as maize or grapes – could become common.

But as the temperature increases, it is also likely to bring new diseases, weeds and pests that farmers will need to learn to cope with.

The report concludes that as well as action by farmers, more research needs to be carried out and attention needs to be given to improving government policies on farming.

Douglas Bell, a policy consultant at the Scottish Agricultural College, said: "I think there are challenges in there, but, to be fair, there are also opportunities for the farming community. For example, if the climate warms over the next 50 years, there are opportunities for different crops to be grown and for arable crops to grow further north.

"So, from a commercial point of view, there are potentially some opportunities but also some obvious worries – the advance of disease being the most obvious."

Local solution to a global problem

John Picken, a cereal farmer in Fife, says growing locally is the best way to make use of the natural resources we share

IT CONCERNS me a lot when I hear farmers being blamed for climate change.

Our primary reason for being here is to provide food. Growing food locally is the best, most economic use of the world's resources.

There's no better carbon balance than growing locally. You are using far fewer resources than if you are importing it from elsewhere in the world.

We play the biggest part at the moment in preventing climate change. Every crop we grow, every acre where crops grow or vegetables grow takes carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and produces something useful. No other industry does as much as we do to tackle climate change.

The International Panel on Climate Change seems to ignore that fact. They fail to realise the benefits of farming.

It's extremely harsh to say farming produces 25 per cent of emissions in Scotland. They are trying to point the blame at the industry that's doing the most to safeguard the climate.

It's not 100 per cent efficient because we are dealing with nature and the planet is not 100 per cent efficient.

We are going to get run-off and carbon dioxide or methane produced into the atmosphere. It's a natural thing.

To blame farming is ridiculous. We have improved efficiencies beyond measure. We adhere to every single wildlife or environment rule.

If we are constrained, we can't do our job of producing food – it will have to be imported.

Climate change is foremost in our mind.

We are at greater risk of disease because of climate change.

But I do think climate change brings some opportunities as well.

Growing grapes in Fife would be a fantastic idea and oil seed rape is already moving further north.



How farmers can change their ways of working and help save the planet

RENEWABLES

USE renewable energies:

Liquid bioethanol or biodiesel can be used instead of petrol or diesel and they are relatively easy for farmers to grow.

Biomass boilers can also be installed on farms relatively easily.

They usually burn wood products, to generate heat and electricity.

Both techniques could save farmers money on expensive petrol and diesel.

There is also research into the possibility of collecting methane from housed livestock, which can then be used to generate heat and electricity on the farm.

Farming bodies say in order for these techniques to be used by the farming sector, there would have to be considerable grants available by the Scottish Government so that they are not too costly.

WOODLAND

REPLACE farmland with woodland: The Scottish Government in its Scottish Forestry Strategy has set a target of covering 25 per cent of the country with woodland by 2020. Currently the country stands at about 16 per cent forest coverage.

Forests sequester carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and are a good way of tackling carbon emissions and it stays in place for decades.

But opponents say planting forests on farmland could have a disastrous impact on the agricultural industry and on Scotland's economy.

It could increase our dependence on imported food and meat, which in turn could boost emissions from transport.

Other options would be to remove land from production either temporarily or permanently, as set-aside.

LIVESTOCK

STOP farming cattle and sheep and produce poultry, pigs or crops instead.

Chickens and pigs do not produce the same quantities of harmful methane as cattle and crops are emission-free. However, moving away from these centuries-old types of farming could have a catastrophic impact on cattle farmers in Scotland. There is also the view that climate change will not stop people wanting to eat beef.

So if Scottish farmers stopped producing cattle, they would just be farmed elsewhere in the world, meaning there would be no benefit to global emissions.

In fact, some experts say it could increase global emissions, because Scotland would have to import more beef, which would mean increasing transport emissions.

Farmers say it is best to grow food locally, rather than import it.

WIND POWER

ONE way to cut back on damaging emissions would be for farmers to tap into the growing renewable-energy sector by investing in wind turbines.


These could be used to generate energy for the farm, with the surplus sold to the national grid to make a profit.

Potential downsides include opposition from local communities because of the adverse visual impact.

The initial cost to the farmer of investing in turbines could also be high.

Getting planning permission for a wind farm can be very time-consuming, and wind turbines are not suited to all sites. They need a strong supply of wind.

Farmers' groups say in order for farmers to invest in wind power they will need help from the government in the form of grants.

DIET

REDUCE roughage intake by sheep and cattle:

Cattle produce higher levels of greenhouse gas methane when they eat grass or hay than when they eat cereals, such as barley and wheat.

Therefore, by having more control of the animals' diet, by keeping them inside and feeding them cereals, farmers can cut the amount of methane produced.

Problems with this could include farmers having to change the way they manage their livestock, by keeping them inside rather than allowing them to graze outside.

There is also a view that cereals such as barley and wheat should be reserved for use by humans, in today's climate of global food shortages, rather than fed to animals. There has also been research into dietry supplements that can be fed to cattle, with the side effect that they cut the amount of methane produced.

CATTLE VARIETIES

Replace native cattle species with European varieties.

Traditional Scottish breeds such as Highland and Aberdeen Angus take a long time to mature compared to European varieties such as Simmental and Charolais. One way to reduce emissions would be to replace Scotland's traditional varieties with the European alternatives. Faster growing, they would slaughtered sooner, producing fewer methane emissions. Also, being larger, fewer cattle would be needed.

But opponents say continental cattle breeds are not suited to Scotland. The traditional varieties are perfectly suited to grazing hillsides and to the colder climate in this country. Traditional cattle varieties are also a tourist attraction. It would also put pressure on farmers who are used to the techniques needed for native cattle.





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  • Last Updated: 16 May 2008 9:59 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

bring them on,

17/05/2008 00:02:46
You must be kidding?
2

indune1,

Canada 17/05/2008 00:07:23

Oh my god, the inmates have truly taken over the asylum!

Does this mean that Kiwis - who are outnumbered 8-1 by the sheep they raise - must go out and kill them and introduce what?

Pure dementia.
3

bring them on,

17/05/2008 01:48:55
Where is Joyce McMillan?
4

Padraig,

17/05/2008 01:53:46
I really have had enough of the loony-left using Green issues to throw their weight about.

There is absolutely no evidence of climate change being caused by Man's activities.

And there has been no average temperature increase in the last ten years, so what are the scare stories about? Nothing more than that - the tradition of inadequates trying to get attention with their "end of the world is nigh" pitch!

They should go back to wearing their sandwich boards!
5

bring them on,

17/05/2008 02:05:43
#4

The scientists need more facts, and data, and wee lists of points.

Otherwise, no one will take any notice.
6

bring them on,

17/05/2008 02:14:10
My grandfather (RIP) was a farm labourer. Give his life for farming. Snow or rain, went everday to work on his bike.

Is this saying he should have stayed at home?

Put your lights on....
7

Allis Chalmers,

Crieff 17/05/2008 02:50:33
I you read the report referred to in this article you find that it suggests the figure for methane emissions from cattle is in fact 5% of the Scottish total, not 25% as inferred by the headline and its accompanying photograph.

The truth is probably a fraction of 1%, but it appears that the editor doesn't give a damn about one of Scotland's major industries (or Scotland for that matter), and happily publishes sheer rubbish without a thought for the consequences. Shame upon him.
8

bring them on,

17/05/2008 02:55:52
Hey Allis,

That's what I have been saying all along.

No one will believe me.

Thanks for the back up...
9

The Trossachs Hasher,

17/05/2008 04:09:54
Don't really think it is the looney left #4 - just looney greens.

They seem to think every opinion they have is valid and we should all slavishly fall in behind them.

We have had cattle on this planet for thousands of years and all of a sudden they are are problem??

Farmers who are not gnashing their teeth must be laughing their socks off at this ridiculous idea.

Management of the land should be left to those who know about it and not some radical environmentalist whose own emissions seem to be more than questionable.

He should take his suggestions around to the farmers himself- he would soon get the message!!
10

Fanling,

Switzerland 17/05/2008 04:24:33
#9
Excellent points there. The media just love to sensationalise and stir the pot. If it doesn't sell papers, it provokes comment!
11

bring them on,

17/05/2008 04:35:00
Fanling

If you are from the countries that stayed neutral and helped thousands of Nazis escape with big dosh in their pockets while our family died to help the world be a better place, tell me this

Why is no one allowed to comment on the Joyce McMillan article.

It is class, BTW
12

bring them on,

17/05/2008 04:44:45
Fanling

65 years by the day, the Lancasters busted the dams.

OK, some say it was a failure. But for me, flying at 60 feet, at night, with that big bomb underneath the plane... and make it bounce.

None of your wee chancers could do that.

Enjoy your chocolate.
13

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 17/05/2008 04:52:43
Key point:
But Mr Hall said it was wrong to get too concerned about the level of emissions produced by farming. "Climate change is a global issue and if Scotland was to play the role of wanting to reduce its emissions from agriculture then all it would do is force farmers out of business," he said
14

bring them on,

17/05/2008 04:56:35
#13

Key point?

Are you one of they Swiss how spend their days making watches and picking locks...

Don't worry, the eyes are on you
15

bring them on,

17/05/2008 05:07:08
Why fans have to change to save the planet?
16

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 17/05/2008 05:24:29
Independence is the number one issue facing the Scottish people today. Whether they be home or across the pond,
Cow farts are about 120,604th on the list.
In Alberta we have 5 million cows and 3 million people.
Your point is?
17

bring them on,

17/05/2008 05:26:40
My point is this

Why did you numpties vote for Brown and his crew?
18

expatmac,

Russia 17/05/2008 05:27:58
#7 - Allis Chalmers.
If you read the article it does NOT say cattle produces 25% of all Scotlands' methane emmissions, but around 6-7%. Your point may still be valid, in that even this figure is inflated, but might be a good idea to quote properly from articles first.
19

bring them on,

17/05/2008 05:36:27
#18

Although I think Russia needs to improve its football playing skills (that were first developed in Scotland), you might be right there.
20

W Smith,

Middle East 17/05/2008 05:41:58
Just when you think you've 'herd' it all.

Farming is not 'green' enough.

Geezy peeps.

Lets all join the Stop The Flactulance Coalition - the MMD (Methane of Mass Destruction) has to be opposed.
21

bring them on,

17/05/2008 05:48:07
So, Rangers for the SPL, Celtic looking for a new manager

Nothing new there.
22

bring them on,

17/05/2008 05:51:51
I do know a bit about farming.

If you want to get the herd out of the barn, it is better to have two upfront.

WS?
23

Tam O'Shante,

Durban 17/05/2008 05:57:35
What have we come to? Blaming cattle for global warming! The hot air being sent skywards by the GREENS must be more harmful than farting cows! There is an easy way out, a la motor car - fit a platinum converter to every cow's, not forgetting the bull's, rectum.
24

bring them on,

17/05/2008 06:02:11
#23

Tam, fair enough, but simply put..No

Complication is lacking, and a good leader.

See, the point that no one else is making is foreign policy, and what to do about the schools.
25

Jim boy,

Dunedin NZ 17/05/2008 06:10:19
'This could involve replacing Scotland's traditional cattle species, such as the Aberdeen Angus, with faster-growing continental varieties that will produce less methane before they are slaughtered.' So when the faster growing cattle are slaughtered what is the farmer going to replace them with? More cattle - so where is the saving in this?
26

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 06:11:13
Kill the coos to save the planet ? Ye couldnae make it up !
27

DunCraig,

Brisbane 17/05/2008 06:12:04
These flatulent green nazis produce more hot air & CO2 than anything else! I wish they'd just shut up!
28

bring them on,

17/05/2008 06:13:56
Is there life in Livingston?

Tell me that Mt Big PM Brown Pants.
29

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 06:16:15
21 - I know it's off-subject but do you notice that posts about the Manchester rioting have been removed by the Scotsman ? Another paper afraid of upsetting Sir David Moonbeam ?
30

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 06:18:04
28 - Of course there is, even though Livi's becoming a dormitory for folk who cannae afford a hoose in Embra. More's the pity - they clog up the A71.
31

bring them on,

17/05/2008 06:18:54
#29

Grow up man....

30 arrests for staggering.



32

bring them on,

17/05/2008 06:20:06
So, back to the football in question.

A wee 3-0 for the Gers?
33

Harry Carnie,

British Columbia, Canada 17/05/2008 06:50:00

Wow ....what ..whole lot of bull crap. It is GREAT to know that ALL the "idiot experts" are NOT in Canada after all.
34

Stuart F.,

Burnaby, B. C. Canada 17/05/2008 06:58:37
Meanwhile, 20% of the earth's methane comes from insect
flatulance . . . Pest control!!!!
35

Ron Thomson,

calonge 17/05/2008 07:22:48
With the amount of sh¡t that is spouted in Government Offices and more so in Parliament, the build up of Methane Gas must be at a dangerous level could someone strike a match, as to getting rid of oor highland coos this must be a joke, farting is something that everyone does, so their answer is to get rid of the cattle, these cattle have served us well over the years, i say get rid of Politicians and keep the Coo's.
36

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/05/2008 07:25:51
Too many hysterical responses above.

If we all became 99% vegetarians we would a. not be facing global starvation b. not be facing Western obesity c. not be facing bovine methane d. not be destroying rain forests to grow Big Macs e. not be facing meat-based health problems.

A huge amount of cereals are fed to food animals thus making the land far less productive.

Pigs and chickens fed on food waste make sense.

You don't have to be a Green to see the logic here.
37

Vaughan,

Vancouver, Canada 17/05/2008 07:42:28
At the risk of insulting the Green Machine...
There may be far too many people on the planet, passing that gas, gas, gas...
But, Think of all the farms in Scotland, the rest of Europe and North America. The word is, 25,000,000 Bison were once, not too long ago, on the plains of my continent. I do believe that more methane went into the system, by far, in those days.(animal wise.)
I wish people would tell the truth rather than advancing an agenda that turns out to be false. Remember "Reefer Madness'the film? We smile and break up laughing when this is put on the late late late show today, but when it was released, aparently,it showed the truth and that was that weed made all of us violent and addicted.
Why if you lit a joint on the great plains 100 years ago with 25 million huge gas passers, well, I do not want to think of it!

Regards,
Vaughan
38

Douglas,

Bathgate 17/05/2008 07:46:59
The sky is falling!
39

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 17/05/2008 07:49:09
Bring them on, I think you are stupid,in other words a retard,what has Scottish football got to do with the greenhouse effect, Nothing you bloody incompitant fool, know wonder I move to the U.S.A when I read comments like yours.
I guess you are one of these people that sit around the house all week waiting for your unemployment check to come in the letter box, go and get a job and see what the real world is all about.
40

Prof,

17/05/2008 07:51:00
Best idea to save greenhouse gasses is to stop spending money in having trashy reports like this prepared by the green tree huggers.
Gullible idiots seems to be the collective name for Scottish government ministers.
41

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 17/05/2008 08:04:34
GET RID OF ABERDEEN ANGUS????

It's April 1, right??
42

thinking,

Scotland 17/05/2008 08:23:23
Global warming is natural.
Chemical polution and litter is not.
We need to clean up our act.
If we want to reduce emmissions we can do that by reducing the massive use of electricity on business/shop advertising displays that are on all night
43

Organic peasant,

N E Scotland 17/05/2008 08:31:55
A very poor article completely lacking in any reality especially the headline, we have been dealing with this for years. Methane emissions can easily be cut by using feed additives to improve rumen fermentation but they were banned to appease the green lobby. The muck from livestock can be put through anaerobic digestion to produce gas to drive electricity generators leaving the soil nutrients to be recycled. Planting trees requires drainage which releases much more carbon than the trees will ever save. The Scottish beef industry works on a grass and brewing/distillery byproduct feed base, it is just about the most natural and efficient on the planet. Farms can use ground source heat pumps for heating and systems are now being installed all over Scotland demand driven by the high heating oil price. The whole article is a load of twaddle by someone with not the first understanding of anything to do with food or farming.
44

11+failed,

the pans 17/05/2008 08:34:45
"Another possible solution would be to replace farmland with woodland, which soaks up carbon from the atmosphere."
Where do we find these deluded souls? As Maire might have said "let them eat wood"
45

Smiley,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 09:00:46
What a load of bullocks!
46

A Scot,

17/05/2008 09:02:55
And what about human methane production?

They'll be banning gassy beer next.

Poor reporting, false facts and no thought.
47

bumpkin,

17/05/2008 09:10:51
TRIPE, UTTER.
The famine is coming!
If methane is so bad, the first thing to be done is shoot all the useless deer roaming scotland.
methane could be collected easily from wintering sheds if funding was available.
what are the poor going to eat if all the cereals get fed to cows and sheep.
what will we do with all the grass which grows naturally over 90% of scotland, absorbing co2 in the process?
At the rate that lairds are clearing tenants at, there will be no farmers left soon anyway.
48

mrsbruce,

Livingston 17/05/2008 09:12:57
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mad cow thingy was caused by animals not being fed on grass, as most Scottish cows are, but fed on goodness knows what.

Surely these people are just using the environment as an excuse to promote bad treatment of animals and bird by stuffing them in cages and feeding them the wrong stuff.

I'm not a tree hugger, I just can't see the logic of maltreating your food to save on their carbon footprints, while flying in their feedstuff. Or creating another bovine/sheep/chicken cross disease.
49

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/05/2008 09:18:21
#43. Org Peas.

Planting trees does NOT always require drainage. I've helped plant woodlands and used only a spade. Trees soak up CO2, prevent flooding and enrichen the soils (broad leafs, anyway).

If we used trees for house building we would lock up the CO2 for as long as the building stood, and we would also not use cement and concrete to the same extent, thus saving yet more fuel and CO2.

#44 (No wonder you) Failed the 11+ Pans.

The point about trees is to make a better use of farm land vacated by the recommended reduction in meat production.

Veggie land can feed ten times more humans than bovine land.

50

Fenland Farmer,

Cromwell's England 17/05/2008 09:18:53
This is really great news! However we really do need to recruit another enforcement layer of Defra or RPA officials and Inspectors all of whom will be experts in the field of methane reduction.
In the meantime, I will hold a team meeting with my Highland Cattle and produce an action plan ( Farm Action Recovery & Transition Livestock Emissions Study & Solutions..Fartless for short) to cut down their emmissions of gas.
Or we could get rid of Brown.
51

Fairfax,

17/05/2008 09:20:23
Rulesbutnotrulers (36): "If we all became 99% vegetarians we would a. not be facing global starvation"

Given the exponentially increasing population of the planet, this would merely delay the Malthusian crunch. However, (i) the West's population is not growing exponentially: it's stable, except for immigration, (ii) the West can feed itself easily on its current diet. Why should we change to support the careless exponential increase in other sections of the world's population?
52

lulach mac gille coemgain,

17/05/2008 09:26:33
The lengths they’ll go to to get an airport expansion with lots of car parking - concrete and steel before bread and bacon that’s what I say !
53

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 17/05/2008 09:34:10
I suspect actual farmers might have a forthright opinion on this bullcr*p from these civilisation deniers. Logical extensions of this would be 1) ban cattle 2) realise this would result in species reduction. 3) Too late.

Since humans are also predisposed to a spot of rectal emission it won't be long before there's a call for a human cull too and if you don't do that the Greens will most upset and call you a name. To quote Billy Connolly "if God had meant us to f*rt, he'd have given us a funnel".
54

bring them on,

17/05/2008 09:35:55
#39

Stevie G.


I am just a (big) football fan who likes to post on here and pretend that I know something about the game.

Did your grandfather have a bike?
55

Fairfax,

17/05/2008 09:41:42
Article: "Another possible solution would be to replace farmland with woodland, which soaks up carbon from the atmosphere."

The logical consequence of returning land to woodland is its inability to support our current human population level. If the Greens believe this is desirable, then perhaps they would also support the following alternative solution: If the main aim is to reduce the number of humans, then there's a much easier solution: use 10% of the US nuclear arsenal to annihilate most of the population of China and India. In 30 minutes, the world's population would be returned to 1970s level, industrialization in these nations would end, and the resulting nuclear autumn might well delay global warming.
56

Unimpressed one,

17/05/2008 09:42:38
"The report, "Climate Change and Scottish Agriculture", was put together by farming groups such as the NFU, environment bodies and members of the government to look at possible ways forward."

Would be interesting to know what percentage of input the NFU had on this. I suspect virtually nil.

"Mr Russell said he wanted the report, commissioned by the Scottish Government's Agriculture and Climate Change Stakeholder Group, to be a "platform for action", and added that he would be using next month's Royal Highland Show to work with the farming sector to find ways to mitigate the effects of climate change."

This lunacy should be stopped here and now. Governments are squandering megabucks to placate green fantasies that do nothing except to generate more guff reports based on junk science. And so the merry circle keeps going. Once the EU's bams take this pi*sh on board they will wreck our farming industry just as surely as they've decimated fishing. We need the greens out of government now.
57

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 17/05/2008 09:53:11
Yet more rubbish from the 'climate change' hysterics.
FACT; Global temperatures have not risen since 1998
FACT: Carbon dioxide levels have risen significantly since 1998.
Conclusion? Carbob Dioxide levels have little - if any - influence on global temperature increase.

FACT CO2 is a RARE GASE - present at just 400 parts per million - or 4 parts in 10,000 in the atmosphere.
There is MASSIVE evidence that it is CLOUD COVER produced by water vapour - that governs temperature - and water vapour makes up 20% the atmosphere - a level about 100 MILLION times greater percentage than CO2.

In Mid February this winter we had a very warm day caused by a high pressure system from the Canary islands. It was T shirt and shorts weather - 70 degrees all over - blue skies, fluffy cumulus and gentle breezes. That night - the cloud cover evaporated and we had a severe frost - the grass was white and crunchy and the bird bath froze. What does this tell you? There is no 'temperature store' in the atmosphere - when the clouds go away, heat radiates into deep space.
Carbon dioxide cannot store heat.

These pseudo scientists will push any rubbish to get their 'anxiety fees'. But newspapers are supposed to QUESTION facts - not just reproduce them as 'truth'. Does the Scotsman have ANY scientists working for it?

58

911 was an inside job.,

17/05/2008 09:59:07
Fat people blamed for global warming
By Patrick Sawer
Last Updated: 8:52AM BST 17/05/2008

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming 'Greatest Scam in History'
Newsbusters | November 9, 2007
Noel Sheppard



59

Dokie,

Wesham 17/05/2008 10:02:43
Ah help ma boab!!

UK emissions are 2% of the world's which make Scotland's somewhere under 0.2% which make the coos' contribution hardly worth bothering about. If indeed it's these emissions that are the cause of all our woes, which is highly debatable.

Gie it a rest wull ye?
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 17/05/2008 10:11:35
From today's Telegraph:

As if they didn’t already have enough problems on their hands fat people are now being blamed for global warming.

British scientists say they use up more fuel to transport them around and the amount of food they eat requires more energy to produce than that consumed by those on smaller diets.

According to a team at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine this adds to food shortages and higher energy prices.

Researchers Phil Edwards said: “We are all becoming heavier and it is a global responsibility. Obesity is a key part of the big picture."

You couldn't make it up!!!

Every researcher in the country who needs a grant is plugging the 'global warming' line - oh sorry - I forgot - since the planet has not got any warmer since 1998 it is now called 'climate change'! And water is wet, and fire is hot and bears sh@t in the woods.
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Edward,

17/05/2008 10:12:58
Its not April 1st is it????
Think this paper has completely lost the plot with this non story
Scotland's farmers should do nothing to pander to the whims of these jokers
It really is pathetic to say the least what this article is about
Its now debatable that emmisions are the cause of climate change (climate change is when global warming happens on a cold day).The UN's own panel of so called experts are now moving towards the theory that climate change is natural and not man made.
No wonder this paper is in danger of becoming extinct, when it wastes paper printing such garbage
62

richtee,

Deep River 17/05/2008 10:13:15
People( and animals) living on the planet is going to affect the environment face it.
This study sounds like the ecofuel fiasco of the past couple years where growing crops for fuel was the answer now of course we see what a clusterf**k that turned into.
63

bring them on,

17/05/2008 10:16:35
Thomson didnae dive.
64

bring them on,

17/05/2008 10:26:18
The only thing that Scottish farmers have done wrong for centuries is to moan about the weather.

Time to give them some space and a wee dry spell.
65

Black Five,

edinburgh 17/05/2008 10:30:26
aren`t you all just sik of these greenies.What a bunch of pathetic morons.It`s about time they were taken for what they are ,a bunch of nutters very much out of control and they should all be transported to some Pacific attol.
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911 was an inside job.,

17/05/2008 10:33:00
Why doesn't the Scotsman hold an online poll? It can ask whether or not we believe that man made global warming is real. Judging by the comments so far, I bet the result will shock the global warming tyrants.

How are they going to get us to pay more tax if most of us don't believe their CO2/methane lies? They'll have to think up another man made threat to the planet.

I've got one: 6.5 billion people walking on the earth is causing our planet to wobble out of its orbit around the sun. The dumb greens will almost certainly believe this and demand a new walking tax.
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Mad Jock,

East Lothian 17/05/2008 10:52:40
To paraphrase a quote I read recently: "Those who claim to want to save the human race end up wanting to control humans"
69

bring them on,

17/05/2008 11:04:37
Mad Jock,

You could be right there.

I have read a few books in my time (some without any pictures), and I have to say (all taken into account and no drawbridges down), CO2 is bad, I know that much.

Too much of it is even worse.

So, my vote has to be down the middle.
70

Way Out West,

17/05/2008 11:29:09
What a load of guff. All mammals break wind - it's natural.

How did they arrive at this conclusion? By fitting f*rt detectors to cattle?

I'm sure that when Daisy the Cow munches her grass in the fields, the last thing on her mind (or Farmer Giles's) is how much gas is passed as a result.

Just you watch. Next us humans will be told not to eat curries on account of their side-effects.
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Guga II,

Rockall 17/05/2008 11:31:59
More junk science from cretins that have probably never been nearer a farm than their television set.

Why do the press even bother giving any form of publicity to these doom and gloom mongers?

To solve any alleged global warming problems, all we need to do is ram a large cork into the mouths of these junk scientists and their deluded followers, thus cutting down on all the hot air emmissions from them. A cork rammed up their rear end would also help.
72

bring them on,

17/05/2008 11:36:54
Lost the Col again...

Not here. Sorry chaps
73

bring them on,

17/05/2008 11:37:54
#70

The wee man on the M62. A man of may talents
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Displaced Scot,

UK 17/05/2008 11:45:07
This is an extension of what the Vegans are trying spread about. Do they not realise that wildlife have the same problem. How many red dear are there in Scotland, should they all go. Livestock have the ability to convert food which humans cant digest into protein. They utilise land that cant grow other crops such as cereals and oilseed crops. They also utilise by products from the food manufacturing industry, such as sugarbeet pulp.
What about the Nitogen cycle, if you dont know look it up in a book.
I know for a fact Scottish Beef farmers are using continental Beef breeds already, as they grow bigger and faster.
This is a mountain being made out of a molehill. If it is acted upon it will result in more SAD people becomming inspectors, imposing rules. For Gods sake dont let Brussels know about this, as they will impose more rules and then wonder why there is not enough food.
75

bring them on,

17/05/2008 11:48:45
Dear, dear
76

Fifemeg,

glenrothes 17/05/2008 11:51:55
The problem with most of the "facts" is that they take figures etc. way out of context. Governments (ours anyway) are just trying to jump on the latest bandwagon ...climate change. They think it's a good way of charging extra taxes without us complaining,all in a good cause. We ARE harming this planet. Mostly through sheer ignorance or total disregard for others (including Earth) so that the rich can get richer. Most of the "greens" would be happy for the full facts to be shown, rather than just bits of what amounts to misinformation. Regardless of whether we believe in clcimate change or not, we should be looking after this planet NOT trampling all over her just to get more than others. No, I don't believe cows make enough of a difference for this nonsense to be printed.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 17/05/2008 12:01:10
Get rid of Sheep.

Get rid of half of the population of Scotland.

Farming practices went down hill (literally) with the advent of the Anglo-Saxons in Britain. Native livestock methods were largely in the high marginal areas. Humans lived above still further, so as not to swamp the arable areas and not be drinking your own effluent. Remember hill tows?
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 17/05/2008 12:03:58
Over population and uneven population distribution in Scotland is a very large problem.
79

bring them on,

17/05/2008 12:04:33
#76

Had to laugh. It's been a while since I've been to Glenrothes.

Had one of their famous 20 pound steaks. Nae meat, but it costs you Rangers jersey.

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Allis Chalmers,

Crieff 17/05/2008 12:43:19
#18 - expatmac.

Read what I said, i.e. that the article INFERRED that cattle produce 25% of Scotland's methane emissions.

The headline plus the photograph will inevitably leave that impression in people's minds.

And while we're at it, Scotland's beef industry has been using continental breeds for about fifty years - Charolais, Simmental, Limousin etc etc, crossed with our own native breeds.

The article is sublimely ignorant in any man's language.

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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/05/2008 12:53:25
What a lot of reactionary old farts read this thread!

Fact: the climate IS changing (it is ALWAYS changing).

Fact: global population IS increasing.

Fact: food production is NOT keeping pace with the population increase.

Fact: vegetarians have a much lighter eco footprint than omnivores.

Fact: starvation in the third world IS our problem: morally as they are also humans; pragmatically as if they burn and plough up wildernesses and jungles for food we will all feel the effects of this; finally all space will have been used up, so what then?.

Fact: the UK can easily feed itself if we agree to a diet change. For example more veg and venison, chickens and pigs; no cattle or sheep. Fruit in season or preserved. No imports of what we can grow here, or with air miles. Now, let's see how many of you reactionary old f*rts comply!

Fact: there are already too many people in the UK/on the planet, but what are you reactionaries above doing about this? S*d all, by the sound of it! Just whinging about those of us who are doing something positive.

It's obscene not to be Green!
82

bring them on,

17/05/2008 13:12:20
Back to the old facts bit. What we need here is bull sh#t.
83

Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:16:28
1 Attach plastic tubes to offending cows
2 Attach tubes to large methane storage tanks
3 Collect methane and use for heating homes etc

Simple really.
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Neil Waugh,

OLd Strathcona 17/05/2008 13:18:05
OK, let's do the math.
800,000 cans of Tennants sent to Manchester.
Plus how many Rangers supporters.
Throw in massive volumes of curry take-away.
Equals an unimaginable amount of flatulence.
I know, let's save the black cattle and ban Rangers fans.
All in the name of global warming, of course.
Or has that idiot Brown already beat me to it?

85

bring them on,

17/05/2008 13:19:41
#83

That might work.

What does the Col say? Where has he been all day...

Still got a search party out. Wars to fight.


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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:19:43
83 Me

It won't work. I forgot that cows sh*t. This would of course block the tubes rendering them worse than useless.

Plan B: Insert tubes via stomach into the f@rting chamber and collect. This should work. Cows then free to f@rt in tubes and defecate accordingly.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:22:02
Keep all the cows indoors. Once they realise the stink they're producing, they'll soon stop.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dre0255l.jpg
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bring them on,

17/05/2008 13:22:09
Neil

800,150 fans, to be precise.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 13:22:47
31 - a Russian stabbed inside the stadium, the centre of Manchester wrecked....
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bring them on,

17/05/2008 13:25:22
People eat too much red meat these days, and don't watch enough good TV.

Give me your Family At War, anytime.
91

Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:25:26
89

Don't blame the cows.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 13:25:52
39 - you have a point, and I certainly wont defend Bring It On, a supporter of Scotland's Shame. BUT the Scotsman has barred posting aboot the Manchester riots, so point the finger at them.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:26:37
If you don't like eating red meat, cook it beforehand. It will then turn a nice shade of brown thus eliminating all your fears.
94

bring them on,

17/05/2008 13:26:49
#89

And the source of your accusation?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 13:30:40
94 - sources : newspapers, radio, tv, cctv, the internet.....
96

bring them on,

17/05/2008 13:33:22
bora, bora,