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Published Date:
25 February 2008
SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.
Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year in lost turnover, the deferred benefits of new infrastructure and the impact of higher housing costs on salaries. Mr McMillan told The Scotsman the planning process was "truly shocking", particularly as there was still a "presumption against development".

"If Alex Salmond and his government rely simply on legislation, that will not be enough," he said. "They need to drive this greater presumption in favour of development, rather than the current presumption against."

The Scottish CBI chief said ministers had to set new guidelines for groups such as Scottish Natural Heritage and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency, forcing them to consider the economy when responding to planning applications.

He said both organisations routinely objected to developments that would help the economy, without any thought for Scotland's economic future.

Some local authorities did the same, he said, adding: "Last year, one council declined a planning application that would have been good for business and the economy, and the chairman of the planning committee declined the application, saying it wasn't his job to consider the needs of the economy.

"That decision was overturned later, but it shows that not enough weight is being given to the economy."

Mr McMillan will tell an enterprise conference in Glasgow today that "local authorities and the Scottish Government need to get a firm grip and apply the appropriate resources" to rectify the situation.

He will warn:

"If the Scottish Government does not deal with this, ministers' own ambitions to equal the UK's rate of economic growth by 2011 will be put at serious risk."

The SNP government has pledged to improve Scotland's growth rate of about 1.7 per cent a year to the 2.25 per cent achieved by the UK as a whole, which means an improvement of about a third in three years.

But a Scottish Government spokesman insisted the SNP administration had to work with the system it inherited.

He said: "This is a comment on the planning system inherited from the previous administration, which we have already acted to improve, and we are now seeing more rapid decision-making. For example, in terms of electricity consents, the previous administration averaged 3.7 consents per year over all technologies, while this administration has already consented seven applications within our first nine months – including the second and third largest onshore wind farms.

"To give an indication of priority, planning was the first issue the Council of Economic Advisers focused on."

The Greens were critical of CBI Scotland for pushing development over everything else. A spokesman for the Scottish Green Party said: "There is some truth in the CBI's position, but there is also some serious misrepresentation.

"The planning process is, indeed, cumbersome and slow, and it remains hard for individuals and communities to contribute to. However, developers can lodge appeals, while local communities have no such right, however unsuitable an individual scheme may be.

"We cannot understand how the CBI can say with a straight face that this leads to bias against development."

There are between 50,000 and 60,000 planning applications lodged every year. Very few are for major developments. But all are submitted to – and decided by – local councils.

There are about 1,050 appeals a year against decisions made by local authorities. Most are decided by reporters (generally, qualified planners) appointed by the Scottish Government – which calls in about 25 to 30 applications each year.

To speed up the process, ministers want more applications to be decided by planning officers, rather than by councillors sitting on planning committees.

KEY PRIORITIES

MINISTERS have identified nine key infrastructure projects which they believe are vital to Scotland's economic growth.

These will be given priority treatment to get them through the planning process.

The projects are:

GRID WORK TO BOOST RENEWABLE ENERGY

Plans include reinforcing the subsea cable between Orkney and the mainland.

COMMONWEALTH GAMES PREPARATIONS

Based in Dalmarnock, facilities will include an athletes' village, indoor sports arena, velodrome and hockey centre.

GLASGOW AIRPORT IMPROVEMENTS

The airport has been earmarked for rail links to the city centre and work is also planned to improve junction 28 of the M8 for extra traffic.

GLASGOW STRATEGIC DRAINAGE SCHEME

Would see a complete upgrading of the drainage system, with new water treatment plants, flood-reduction measures, sewers and pumping stations.

BETTER ACCESS TO GRANGEMOUTH FREIGHT HUB

This means improving road and rail links to support the hub's role as Scotland's largest container port.

SCAPA FLOW CONTAINER BASE

Proposals mean new infrastructure to cope with the bigger ships now in operation.

ROSYTH CONTAINER TERMINAL

This would see improved road and rail links to meet the increased demand for containerised freight, which is expected to exceed Scotland's existing capacity by 2015.

IMPROVING EDINBURGH AIRPORT

Plans include an expanded terminal, reconfigured taxiways, new plane stands and maintenance hangars.

REPLACEMENT FORTH CROSSING

Already announced, a new bridge is being planned west of the existing structure, costing about £4 billion.

The full article contains 1169 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 25 February 2008 12:03 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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AJ Fife,

25/02/2008 00:42:11
#3,

Another fakey eh? That jist aboot sums boys like you up - comin' yer duff while pretending you're somebody else....pathetique!
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The Strategist,

25/02/2008 00:52:14
Planning - the CBI's favourite red herring. But there's planning and there's planning.. Some of the bigger industrial projects may well be justified but appallingly ugly, badly laid out housing estates should not be allowed to slip through the system.

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WJohn,

Wonderland 25/02/2008 02:08:21
Business? Scotland?
The only business in Scotland is that funded by tax payers, that payed for by rich incomers from Europe and England and the tourist trade manned/womanned by the Polish, New-Zealanders and other friends of the old country.
Carry your clubs for you Mr Trump?
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 25/02/2008 03:03:29
Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.
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£10 million ($20 million) squandered. All tax payers money.
Oh Boy do U Scots know how to waste money to get nowhere.

Meetings more meetings result = ZERO.

STOP SQUAWKING . DO SOMETHING

Or the world will pass U by ..dudes.

GC
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Thomas1,

\\\ 25/02/2008 03:52:39
This is nothing new,the problem is that the people who make these decisions have not got their greedy little fingers deep enough in the pie.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 06:21:02
Obviously there are probably some problems, but based on the amounts it cost per major development it appears that the Lawyers and Labour Trough Merchants are getting their share. Perhaps the planning business is just exactly that. Time for Audit Scotland to have a good look at who is making the big quids at the expense of the Scottish Economy. Many Brown envelopes must be floating through the Labour Party Head Office, for the chosen few.
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mrd,

fairbanks 25/02/2008 06:39:31
The assumption is that anyone who proposes anything must be greedy and have a hand in the pie beyound the normal share. Therefore you must study the hell out of it before anything gets done, after all no one should get anymore than yourselves. As they said the world will pass you by. Why? Oh the meetings and the inquires, and lets not forget the general time wasted, waiting for the comment periods. An old story... a man came to a gate of the city, asked the gatekeeper what sort of people lived within, the gatekeeper replied, what sort of people have you left in your old town? The man replied oh knaves, thieves, robbers and various ner do well's. The gatekeeper after some thought replied. Aye you'll find the same here. MRD
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 07:27:57
The reason that the existing planning rules should be kept and strengthened is that too many local authorities and councillors have allowed developers a free hand.

The sale of common good assets, donations to political parties and the close links between rejected politicians and the developers who courted them whilst in office have not gone un-noticed.

The questionable dash to blight the Scottish countryside with windmills and the potential despoiling of world heritage sites is likely to be a far greater threat to the nation than delays in the construction of a few more 'luxury hotels', further empty office blocks or little box flats for the rnet to buy mob.

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Boggle fey the Bog,

25/02/2008 07:56:47
Strange bedfellows indeed, the CBI taking up the 'Socialist' cudgel ;-).
If the comments had been attributed to anyone but Nu Labour/Owld Tories major bankers, one could almost have sympathy.
However, if one considers that when planning regs were 'less comprehensive' we had a huge amount of innovative and socially responsible decisions.
Like building a repository for the UK's sub sea launched nuclear arsenal built, within 40 miles of the largest city in Scotland, and South of it also, meaning that if there were an 'accident' the prevailing South Westerly wind would carry the resultant pollution across a a very heavily populated area.
Then to compound the matter even more, they build a nuclear powered generating station even nearer this large population centre also to it's South.
One couldn't make it up, could one?

Mr. McMillan complains that it is costing Scotland £600 million a year in Turnover, a strange choice of word, as "turnover" does not equate to 'profit'.
Also if a presumption is made that 20% of the turnover is profit (using the 80/20 rule or the Pareto Principle)we would be talking a notional profit of £125 million, using the same principle approximately £100 million would find it's way out of Scotland, probably before Taxation, leaving just £25 millions liable for taxation within Scotland, given that the current standard rate of Tax is 20% that would bring a whopping £5million to the Treasury from Scotland.
So all in all a bit of a non starter. Another Unionist scaremongering story, with very little substance, except a desire from the CBI (Scotland Branch) to keep in with Gordo's politically and morally bankrupt administration, it certainly has very little to do with the well-being of the Scottish people in general and Scottish businesses in particular.

As for the Hamish McDonald's opening gambit,
'SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major pl
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Boggle fey the Bog,

25/02/2008 07:57:33
Cont; from#14

As for the Hamish McDonald's opening gambit,
'SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.'

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see losing 'Billions' mentioned anywhere else in this article, but then again I'm not a Unionist fantasist, so maybe I am missing the subliminal 'message'.As far as the economy falling behind because of the planning regs, I also find just a tad hysterical, as I'm quite sure that if Mr McMillan or Mr McDonald, for that matter had a proposed development of 180 - 200, 180foot high 'Wind Turbines ear marked for building in their 'own backyard' they would soon become 'Nimby's'!!
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 08:00:33
Decisions on planning, and the process whereby those decisions are made, have been taken over by Planning Officers. They tell councillors on Planning Committees that planning is not political. They advise that the committees ideas cannot be implemented, and give complex pseudo legal reasons. Then they offer coun ter proposals, which the elected politicians feel they have no alternative but to accept. That is how, and why, planning processes are so so, and why the hardly ever reflect the needs and aspirations of ordinary council tax payers. let alone the Scottish Government.

The very system that was devised to deliver democratic accountability now does exactly the opposite in many parts of Scotland, and I thiink we should tgive more power to councillors and MSPs in this regard. The "arms length" pronciple for planning was designed to prevent corrupt politicians from manipulating the process. Contrary to popular belief, most councillors and MSPs - of whatever party - are not corrupt, and genuinely want to make things better for those thety represent. Planning Officials, on the other hand, may be interested soley in mechanisms and their careers. They deal directly and on a day to day basis with developers and interest groups, and are far more likely to be influenced - corruptly or not - by interests other than those of the wider electorate.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 25/02/2008 08:00:58
Au contraire! Planning takes often takes too LITTLE time. One example: no public debate or decision making about the hugely over priced and worst option second FRB.

Act in haste! Repent at leisure.

What does take far too long is doing it once the decision to do so has been arrived at.
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conservative,

Fife 25/02/2008 08:01:53
It's not the time that's the problem, it's that bully-boy businesses ride rough-shod over people's wishes.

In the last few months in Fife alone housebuilders in Kelty have managed to destroy the amenity and values of dozens of houseowners' properties by ignoring planning regulations, and opencast coal extractors have managed to force through a plan to turn Crossgates into a giant wasteland hole in the ground.

The planning regulations don't need speeding up, they need tightening up. It's long past time that the benefits to businesses gave way to the interests of locals.
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cabrach loon,

inverness 25/02/2008 08:29:57
the only persons and professions needed in these inquiries are engineers, architects and economists plus environmental experts / no lawyers to confuse and drag things on.
Lawyers now seem to be interfering everywhere especially in parliament, all they do is talk, argue and charge / little business training or experience unless over 30 years of age!
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conservative,

Fife 25/02/2008 08:32:04
And of course I forgot - a big electronics company in Dunfermline (Centron) is threatening to pull out unless it gets to change it's site from industrial designation to housing so that it can make a quick killing at the ratepayers expense.

But hey - what do people matter as long as business gets its way. After all we need those lost billions more than our environment.

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thinking,

Scotland 25/02/2008 08:42:49
'despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry'

Why does it cost so much?
Everything governments do seem to cost the earth, at our expense.
If it came out of MP/MSPs pockets then it wouldn't cost so much. As it is, they end up exempt fom most things the average worker has to pay or are 'paid' expenses (at our expense again) to cover these costs
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Nikostratos,

25/02/2008 08:45:58
#20 conservative,


"business gets its way." good slogan for the new-snp
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 25/02/2008 08:57:49
Lets hope these windfarms and grid strengthening are delayed forever.
Iain McMillan is simply peeved that his cronies in the wind industry are being delayed in their rape of Scotland.
In this case the incompetence of the planners is doing Scotland a favour
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Doh,

25/02/2008 09:24:59

I agree planning shouldnt take so long.

Most developments should be rejected out of hand after about one hour.

Mountgrange - no thanks.
Next.
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TommyKaye,

UK 25/02/2008 09:34:49
Ian McCartney, the former Trade Minister, is paid £113,000 to advise the Fluor Corporation, which is bidding for a multi-million-pound nuclear waste contract.

Interesting isn't it ? This man could not string one sentence together and yet he is getting 113k no doubt because he has access.

Ah the founders of the labour party would be so proud of comitted socialists such as Mr mcCartney eh!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 09:35:43
22. What a strange comment given that the full Aberdeenshire council, 80% of the local people, the leader of the council (a Lib Dem) and senior MSPs of all parties have backed the development and welcomed the goverment decision to call in the plans.

As for "business getting its way" was it not the Labour Uk government which intervened directly to halt a Serious Fraud Office investigation into billion pound bribes to Saudi princes in a recent arms deal?
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paul o,

Wodonga 25/02/2008 09:45:05
Sureley a 10 million Pound public enquiry was worth more than the entire project was costed at?
Shades of Australian Politics!
You're spending more on "public inquiry" than the project is probably worth. This is the standard of Australian politics, I would have imagined that the "mother country" would have progressed a few steps by now!
No wonder 'western democracys' are struggling to cope with 'new world orders'. It takes us years of consulation and bilions of Dollars to arrive at a statement that may / or may not, overturned by the slighest factional lobby group.
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paul o,

Wodonga 25/02/2008 10:04:33
#16, Fabius Maximus
I agree. I am always of the opinion that, no mater who is 'elected' to any parliment, the unelected 'heads of of departments' provide the proposals, the information, the outcomes, and the expected results. The 'elected officals' merely sign-off on the proposals safe in the knowledge that their pensions and stipends will be provided for in full, regardeless of performance.
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G,

dundee 25/02/2008 10:24:22
Why bother having a planning system? Just write down your idea (optional) on a large envelope full of your favourite currency and send to the SNP - they'll call in your plan and expedite it....
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 10:35:48
#16 Fabius

What utter nonsense. Councillors and 'democracy' are the problems in planning that slow things down. Councillors are the ones who grant or refuse contrary to their own policy in order to gain votes or curry favour with parties outwith the process - this undermines the whyole process and either they are too think or illinformed to understand this, or thety simply don't care...

As for speed, well it comes down to a whole host of things...cronic understaffing in almost every planning authorting in Scotland will officers dealling with 3 or 4 times the number of applications they're meant to handle in any one year, councillors calling in delegated refusals to committee simply because they don't like the fact their farmer or developer friends are being denied 'their right to build on their land', constantly increasing red-tape and responsibilities for planning departments withuot any increase in funding or resourcing, huge volumes of incompetant applications (both from small and large-scale developers) whicvh lack significant detail and thus require the officer to scrabble round picking up pieaces of information that should have been submitted by the applicant/developer with the application, and community invovlement...yes, while communities should have a say in development to an extent, I have been aware recently of two cases where communities have gone to the ombudsman regarding two deicsions which they didn't agree with but nonetheless accorded with the local plan. This took up huge amounts of officer time and prevent them from addressing other applications. In both cases, the small-minded, illinformed, and wholly unrepresentative community council lost...

The first and foremost way of speeding up planning is not to cut its powers and influence, because like it or not, it has a vital part to play in the success of our economy, but it is to plough in more money, increase resources and emply enough planners to actually cope with the workload. That is
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 10:36:11
...the quickest and most simply way to speed things up...then you can look at some of the other issues, like ensuring these hard-done-by developer friends of the CBI actually put some effort in and submit competant applications once in a blue moon. Lets not just axe swaths of planning for short-sighted speed...only Scotland will suffer in the long run...
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Nikostratos,

25/02/2008 10:39:17
#27 Ayrshire Scot™

You are a inveterate reader of other peoples correspondence........If i left my drawing room and there was private letter to me on the mantlepiece..you Ayrshire would be over quick as a flash to pour your lying eyes all over it......And then have the cheek to comment.

PS don't talk about majority's when you singularly ignore the majority who do not want or wish for an Independent Scotland...........
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PoI2,

25/02/2008 10:39:37
We need better and faster planning. Not less planning.
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Transparent?,

Scotland 25/02/2008 10:48:04
Quote by a Scottish Government spokesman:

"To give an indication of priority, planning was the first issue the Council of Economic Advisers focused on."

Who are the Council of Economic Advisers? - Alex Salmond's own quango, of course!

Far better to do the job right, than to do it faster than anybody else and get it wrong.

Aye, Mr Salmond, you hit the road running and now you can't keep up with yourself.
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Coutts,

Ayrshire 25/02/2008 10:51:41
The Scottish economy will lose even more if we splatter the whole of Scotland with turbines. The environment will lose too as they don't reduce carbon. Back-up power is never part of the calculations of carbon reduction.

A few landowners and the power companies will benefit. The tax payer will have to foot the bill and fuel poverty will increase.

All we have to protect us are the planners. People don't want turbines.
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Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 10:57:29
Interesting site 'Edinburgh At Risk'
http://www.edinburghatrisk.org/

"EAR supporters include a former government adviser who has criticised the Labour party in Edinburgh for representing the interests of developers instead of their constituents. Sir Bernard Crick, who worked with David Blunkett at the Home Office, is appalled at the way the local council has repeatedly decided to "sell off the family silver" for a quick gain and without proper consideration of the long-term consequences".

#34, We need honest people in the Planning Depts





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Colin McDonald,

25/02/2008 11:09:45
Why does it take so long??

Oh... I don't know... perhaps the amount of time wasted attending committees investigating the wild imaginings of a bitter man suffering from a deficient olfactory organ?

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Not Toobrite,

25/02/2008 11:16:21
WIND TURBINES!
Denmark has the largest number of wind turbines in Europe and is at present DISMANTLING 45% Why? because it cannot cope with the surges that are produced, to control the electrical surges it has to put these into the German power grid at a cost in 2006 of 640 million euro's yes they had to pay the Germans to take the surges created by the wind turbines, to much wind = surges, not enough wind = surges, and for anybody to say that the Lewis wind farm could produce 11% of the total Scottish electric power, would have the intelligence of a 4 year old idiot.
If anybody can think of a "green" idea that has, or will work, the world is waiting to hear!
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Mora,

25/02/2008 11:22:01
Not much joy for Scotland's sustainable development - big focus on airports and roads and lacks substantial investment in a comprehensive rail network - all the freight on those lorries on the Forth Road bridge should be on the railways, let's get fast trains to Inverness and beyond; and what is the sense of container terminals at both Rosyth and Grangemouth? How about a focus on the port which will not go under water as sea levels rise?
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 11:23:04
I'm glad Daibhidh thinks communities "should have a say in development to an extent". He sounds as though he has has recent and traumatic experience of the "wasted officers' time" involved in ensuring that "the powers and influence of planning" eventually wins through. Sorry - I thought planning and development were both supposed to be for the unltimate benefit of communities?
Nothing is more political than planning, nothing has more social impact. An communities should be at the heart of the planning process, driving the politics of planning, while officers use their technical expertise to guide applicants to ensure that their submissions are technically competent, and ready for Political scrutiny by democratically elected representatives.
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weh,

25/02/2008 11:25:06
SCOTS FED UP WITH BBC POLITICAL SENSORSHIP!

UNSENSORED NEWS AT:-
http://www.radiofree
scotland.webhop.org/
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Colin McDonald,

25/02/2008 11:32:29
Totally off topic, but I'm incensed so I hope you allow this lattitude. Just been over at the scottish daily express reading a couple of articles and the ensuing debate. There seems to be growing anger in England toward the percieved sponging of us Scots. A couple of choice comments are shown below...

"as an english person, lm 100% for scotland being independant. let the scots manage their own affairs and let the english do the same. the scots are a proud people and must be very embarrsed they need the english to provide for them.
how about all the scots who want independence start refusing all the freebies from england ?then people would see how sincere you are.!
and then you could get sir sean helping out financially with some of it. like the life saving cancer drugs the english cant get-but the scots can at our exspense!"

And then this little belter....

"let's hope it happens very soon. Then the Scots can pay for border control, customs & excise, their own Police force, Army, hospitals and everything else that a Country has to pay for.
Obviously, they will have to pay it all out of purely Scottish taxpayers money.
Who are they kidding? Only a handful of people work in Scotland. Why else are the English hammered by taxes to help the Scottish with all their costs? Why should there be no University fees in Scotland? It is a total scandal. Scotland would end up worse than Zimbabwe, in about 12 months, if we left them to fend for themselves. Who is going to pay the benefits for all the wasters sat at home drinking and talking of independance. Sean Connery, I suppose? Don't make me laugh. See what happens when left to fend for themselves.
Instead of slagging the English off, they should be thanking us for all the hard earned taxpayers money that goes North of the border. Perhaps they should remember this, when they hold out their shaking, nicotene stained hands for the benefits. A little bit of gratitude would not go amiss. And lets have no more talk of
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Colin McDonald,

25/02/2008 11:35:02
independance, (unfortunately, you simply cannot afford it)"
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 11:48:44
Golly! Some of the English are as bitter, twisted, racist, and stupid as some of the Scots! Now there's a surprise!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 25/02/2008 11:57:24
#40 Mora "How about a focus on the port which will not go under water as sea levels rise?

Right on! Rosyth and Grangemouth both require modernising to suit new boats, so why not locate a new port along side a causeway that will prevent flooding and also carry road and rail traffic from Fife to Edinburgh?
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Resolutions,

25/02/2008 12:06:44
#43/44
May I refer you to a research article published by the Herald in October/November time regarding the money of UK and its 'divi' up.

Perhaps your twisted pals may be educated in who actually supports who.

Personnally, I am insulted at being told how money(taxes) raised in my country should be spent. I would not be so bad-mannered to tell France/ Spain/Germany/ Belgium/ USA how to spend their money, so why should my country put up with the downright ill manners of its southern neighbour?

To get back to point. The planning system needs overhauled, but there need to be safeguards. eg the pylon system - the enquiry has thrown up that they never even CONSIDERED alternatives to these massive things.
What we need is a national strategy with the local input on the actual sites! Can these places accommodate what is envisaged? Is the infrastructure available? How sustainable? All things which do not appear to be really grasped under the present system.
Then you've got the housing plonked down without any thought to community and infrastructure etc.
Lateral thinking is not a strongpoint under the present system.
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Rasco,

Inverness 25/02/2008 12:10:46
ALL PLANNING APPLICATIONS IN SCOTLAND SHOULD BE HANDLED BY OUR WENDY
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Neil,

Glasgow 25/02/2008 12:36:43
For once Iain MacMillan is right - our "planning" system is an enormous brake on growth, perhaps even moreso than the rest of the UK.

Not so much for windmillery, which which the Scotsman seems to have dragged in & doesn't appear in his words. Since it produces subsidies rather than profits it is a negative contibutor to growth. However these restrictions heavily restrict homebuilding which is a very major part of our economy & could grow very fast if allowed. We may have a shortage of building land with planning permission but it requires myopia to say we have a shortage of land.
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 12:36:55
#Resolutions
In the run up to the Millenium, I suggested that all the Millennium lottery and public money available for celebration should insted be used to tranform all the UK's areas of outstanding natural beauty, or natural wilderness by burying or hiding the powerlines.

Can anybody now tell me of one major social economic environmental or artistic legacy of the millions spent on marking the year 2000?
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 12:39:25
#41 Fabiuos

"An communities should be at the heart of the planning process, driving the politics of planning, while officers use their technical expertise to guide applicants to ensure that their submissions are technically competent, and ready for Political scrutiny by democratically elected representatives."

Rubbish again, I'm afraid. Officers are the experts, like it or not, elected members are the laymen. It is not the job of an officer to ensure an application is technically competent, that's the job of the applicant. It's the job of an officer to appraise the application againstp olicy adopted by councillors themselves, and then make a deicsion based on that democratically adoptedp policy. Individuals and communities should of course have an input, and they do at the development plan preparation stage as well as commenting on applcations, but often communities don't see the wider picture becuase they don't have the expertise or day-to-day knowledge of the planning process and don't see how things fit into the wider, more strategic picture...that's why it's called strategic planning, it's not called small-minded aprocial planning...which is what you'd get if you let communities and elect members decide everything...

How can you expect elected members, most of who do not understand the planning process, let alone the issues involved, determin applications on their own? That's not democracy in action, it's not going to lead to a healthy Scottish economy, it's not going to support and bloster communities...that's a receipe for disaster...
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overton,

Balmedie 25/02/2008 12:45:22
The whole negative approach of these councillors up in Aberdeenshire is really quite depressing - we still await the go-ahead for the £1billion Trump Proposal at Menie and the long awaited Aberdeen Western Peripheral Route.
A grim situation for Aberdeenshire but if it is so slow thoughout the rest of the country then Iain MacMillan is correct.
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Resolutions,

25/02/2008 12:50:29
#51 I agree with you - I cannot think of one thing at the moment.

#52 If ever that was snobbery - you've just shown it!

Officials may have the know-how, but not the local knowledge! They are mighty good at ignoring the knowledge of local folk.
eg from 60s new housing area - officials told there were field drains and wells in area by LOCALS. Result ignore -build anyway and then wonder why area had a flooding problem!!!(Local elected member knew and told them)
eg recently told water pipes and services were under field and fields got waterlogged. result -you've got it! And they put a larger sewer into a smaller one and wondered why there were other problems. Drains higher than road and drains do not work etc etc etc

Communities must be treated with respect and their knowledge accepted and acted upon!
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 12:57:45
And why to people think all planners do is refuse things?! I seem to remeber the planners themselves in Aberdeenshire recommended that permission be granted...it was the (small number of) councillors who wanted it refused...planners are tasked with ensuring appropriate development takes place.

It doesn't mean they refuse things for fun or on a whim; they refuse things because they would damage variuos resources (natural, economic, community etc). Let's keep in mind that while quite clearly business is vital to Scotlandm, they are not the 'good guys'. Business tries to cut corners left right and centre to ensure profit and planners are really the last defence against many developers assess stripping a site for financial gain with little or no regard to the community.

It's planners who negotiate good design, good street layout, developer contributions to new roads, schools, play parks, transport links, water infrustructure, who ensure development won't impact unacceptably on the amenity of exisitng properties, of schools, on the historic environment, in environmentally sensitive areas...it's planners who map-out sustainable ways of increasing capacities in our towns and cities, it's planners who secure large numbers of new affordable housing from private developers...it's planners who undertake these negotiations day-in-day out, NOT politicians...yes cllrs review and rubber stamp a lot of these issues, but they are not at the coal face trying to improve our communities in the way way...planners don't always get it wrong, but they are far from anti-development these days as many would like us all to believe...

I'm not saying councillor should butt out, but there needsto be greater balance and greater accountability that stops ciuncillors from departing from their own policy on a whim and there also needs to be a lot more money to pay for enough people to actually cope with the amount of development going on in Scotland...
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Pop goes the Weasel ,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 13:00:30
Daibhidh, you are correct. Planning decisions are based on 'the development plan and all other relevant material considerations'. The development plan consists of the local plan and structure plan. The local plan is a document (usually produced every 5 years) and invites comments from the local communities as well as local businesses. This local plan is then adopted by the councillors.

I think what people may not understand is that if left to local communities, there would be very little social and economic growth as there are so many NIMBYs who do not wish their communities to change.
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Doh,

25/02/2008 13:00:47


Let us not forget that Trump has already been complianign about any offshore windfarm that might be built within view of Trumpton.

I hope that that windfarm doesnt get delayed by the planning process.
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 13:01:57
#54

You've shown the total ignorance so characteristic of local communities...drainage design is nothing to do with planners, its all to do with building control and road engineers...they're not the same thing and not the same department...you lot always dump blame on the door of planners...

And as for snobbery, what utter balls...you wouldn't expect a councilor to design a house would you? That's the job of an architect...you wouldn't expect a councillor or the local community to design the new forthbridge, that's the job of an engineers...you shouldn't expect a councillor with not planning education or a community with little expert knowledge to decide how land is allocated and strategic planning is carried out, becausr tha'ts the job of qualified planners...

Problem is, everyone thinks they're a planner, but in reallity, very few really understand what's involved and what must be considered...

It's very easy for people like you and Fabius to be armchair critics, but if you had to be therem aking the decisions, I'm sure you wouldn't have the first clue...
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 13:03:57
Incodentally, #54, where do yuo think planners live? That's right, within the very communities they supposedly don't have the first clue about...to claim that planners, who spend every single day liaising with local communites, don't understand what their needs are beggars belief...I'm afirad that most planners probably have a better ideas of the REAL needs of a community than a couple of retired folk siting unelected on a community council...
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 13:13:48
I think Daibhidh's missing my point. I don't doubt his description of what currently happens - that planners are experts in their field, that they do all the negotiation and are the front-line staff, and that councillors merely rubber stamp their "planning" decisions. And I am well aware of local plans.

I'm saying that people feel divorced from the process which arrives at these plans. That nobody is fulfilling the role of convincing the council tax payers that any given development is a good thing. That the outcome of that is that those who are interested in proving it to be a bad thing are more likely to succeed.

And I'm saying that id politicians were more engaged in the making the strategy and determining the policy, planners would be less likely either to have to subvert politicians, or to restrain them from departing from policy on what appears to the officials to be a mere whim, but which may to the councillor seem to be in the best interests of his or her electorate,
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danielrober,

25/02/2008 13:16:56
Planning permission involves three paties.

Users, builders and proposers. These are managed by different prfessional bodies, one of these groups are Quanitity Surveyors.

A QS in London at the moment gets £60,000 a year, last year it was £55,000 and the year before it was £45,000. At these prices (fees) is anyone really surpised that planning processes never stop.
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 13:20:09
And I agree 100% we need more, better recognised and respected planners. If we had enough of them, there might be time for some of them to explain the implications of planning decisions to lesser mortals on councils, and perhaps even to those members of the public who bother to turn up at consultations. People like me would then feel that they had indeed been consulted, not merely telt!
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Fabius Maximus,

25/02/2008 13:24:42
Senior GPs get around £120,000, lawyers around £150,000, plumbers around £60,000 a year, nurses around £25,000, teachers around £30,000, dinner people around £11,000.

We value work in a random and unsatisfactory way. Planners don't get paid enough.
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Tormod,

Auld reekie 25/02/2008 13:28:17
It's takes so long because our planning system is not fit for purpose you numpty journalist, also nice try to blame the current government. They are trying to change that remember must have slipped you memory that one.

The committe advising the first minister is looking at this very problem you numptie journalist. I forgot you only use this as a weapon against the government when it suits.

numptie!
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 13:42:25
"SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because the english government is stealing our oil, our resources, and still in control of institutions in Scotland that only employ english."

That would be more accurate.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 13:53:11
Has any one considered that all this excessive progress is destroying what we built ?

Has anyone considered that the refusal of most planning applications in areas of natural beauty and history magnificence are because they are disgusting?
Horrific plans are being let through left right and centre, due to the huge financial mistakes being made by councils, for E.G. allowing insane schemes like traffic "calming" procedures to block the towns and wreck your car and the flow of buisiness, trams achieving the same and so on.

Build in the pattern of tradition in these areas or be booted out.
65

Memyself&I,

25/02/2008 13:53:37
lol #14 Boggle fey the Bog

How you could turn this into an anti unionist rant is beyond me. So far off the mark.
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indune1,

25/02/2008 13:56:06

67 - you are an idiot. A simpleton who finds fault in everything but himself.

But then again, it's an easy and well-worn crutch you habitually lean on and turn to.

Do Scotland a favour. Immigrate to, say, Zimbabwe. Mugabe would welcome your paranoic, xenophobic rants.
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 13:59:02
Fabius, the new planning act will require a great deal more public involvement in the preparation of development plans (including far more substaial notification so people should know more clearly that a plan review is underway); however there's only so far it can address the issue of perceived community disengagement...communities NEVER pull in the same direction and are full of disagreement...you can never satisfy everyone and certain people/factions will always feel left out...its the planners' job to try to find the middle ground and come to an acceptable compromise. That's why planners will always be a target for criticism, because there will almost always be people who feel 'ignored' or side-lined as a result of a decision.

As for pay, I don't think you'll find many planners demanding higher wages (although I'm sure they would'nt complain if it was offered)...I think most will say they need twice as many staff to cope with what are unacceptable caseloads, which only ever increase as the number of development proposals increase...

The planning system would work fine if it were properly resourced. Better public consutlation proceedures, fast-trak methods are all in place to speed things up and provide more clarity, there's just not enough people doing the job to be able to implament these proceedures properly. I one office I know of, officers are dealing with ~90/100 applications each at any one time (the total number supposed to be processed by any one officer in a year is 150)...this is not only unacceptable in terms of the pressures we place on our public 'servants' but will only result in poor or slow decisions - this is no fault of the officers, more the politicians who see planning as a great electioneering tool, but NONE want to properly resource it...

All you ever hear in them edia and in public opinion is criticism levied in the direction of planners, but there's a defining silience of those rallying to support planners, or at least explain the
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 14:01:16
...framework they must adhere to...this is because planners are public employees and cannot defend themselves in public...this has to change if we're all to better understand the development planning framework and understand how to improve it...I think you'd be shocked to learn how many planners take extended period of sick leave due to the unimaginable stress they face...
69

Neil,

Glasgow 25/02/2008 14:06:32
68 "all this excessive progress"

And then Greens object to being called Luddites.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 14:13:28
54
Resolutions,
25/02/2008 12:50:29

Salient point
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indune1,

25/02/2008 14:15:16
74 - Thanks but believe me, I would much rather be learning from these threads - like I have from the insights of Daibhih.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 14:19:59
70
indune1,
25/02/2008 13:56:06

A Troll with out reason.
How scathing, Truth hurts when your the thief.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 14:21:51
74
The Genuine Mario Antoinette,
25/02/2008 14:10:33

Yet another unionist troll
74

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 14:30:24
73
Neil,
Glasgow 25/02/2008 14:06:32

It was Luciano Pavarotti whom remarked on the simplicity of his family retreat in contrast to the cites as excessive progress.
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indune1,

25/02/2008 14:30:47

I expressed no political beliefs.

You are the one who introduced a spurious and irrelevant commentary on the subject at hand.

BTW - the contraction of you are is "you're". Suggest you spend less time venting your (there, you see, your, singular possesive) spleen and more on learning - dare I say it - English?

Troll? No, my deluded Ard Righ. no
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indune1,

25/02/2008 14:31:57
Posting 80 was meant for 77.
77

indune1,

25/02/2008 14:35:31

79 Oh dear :( - It was Luciano Pavarotti who . . . vice whom.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 14:51:10
80
"You are the one who introduced a spurious and irrelevant commentary on the subject at hand."

Read it again and again and again.

"SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because the english government is stealing our oil, our resources, and still in control of institutions in Scotland that only employ english." FACT

That has more accuracy than you will ever care to admit, as it is directly related to the nonsensical notion that billions are being lost due to a planning issue. Billions ARE being lost by the squandering of resources by a foreign parasite which you clearly advocate.

Want a job as proof reader, your not a visionary though.
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indune1,

25/02/2008 15:05:52

Oh well, no use talking to a fanatic.

By the way, you pillock, I was arguing for Scotland taking control of her resources 34 years ago when I shared a stage with Billy Wolfe.

So, sonny, don't you come on with your pious, pedantic and condescending rhetoric.

Speak to the issue at hand and burn your soapbox
(singular possessive - I see you made the same mistake again in your last posting).

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indune1,

25/02/2008 15:17:38
*Please enter your comment*
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indune1,

25/02/2008 15:18:53
86 - Hmmm. That's curious. I didn't post.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 15:40:43
84, Your ( I know you love it) quite right, I shouldn't waste time with fanatics"So, sonny, don't you come on with your pious, pedantic and condescending rhetoric."

Quite a projecting cringe you have.

You'll really hate these if you have "aboot turned" so much in the last 40 years.

http://bellacaledonia.wordpress.com/

and

http://www.radiofreescotland.webhop.org/


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Carlung,

Haddington 25/02/2008 15:47:14
WIND TURBINES!
Denmark has the largest number of wind turbines in Europe and is at present DISMANTLING 45% Why? because it cannot cope with the surges that are produced, to control the electrical surges it has to put these into the German power grid at a cost in 2006 of 640 million euro's yes they had to pay the Germans to take the surges created by the wind turbines, to much wind = surges, not enough wind = surges, and for anybody to say that the Lewis wind farm could produce 11% of the total Scottish electric power, would have the intelligence of a 4 year old idiot.
If anybody can think of a "green" idea that has, or will work, the world is waiting to hear!

Not Toobrite, you are absolutely spot on with your analysis of Wind Turbines.
However to answer your question the "greenest' and most efficient renewable source of electricity is Hydo power.
It rains a lot in Scotland and as the water exits from a loch enroute to the sea, it might as well turn a dynamo on its way!
84

indune1,

25/02/2008 15:57:51
Speaking of pedants: is that you Meths? Think anagram.
85

indune1,

25/02/2008 16:07:21

A projecting cringe? Sorry, but may I remind you that you were the one to project a cringing comment.

You also presumed to label me and my political outlook.

I see that, to this point, you have yet to speak to the issue at hand.
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indune1,

25/02/2008 16:09:03
92 and 93 - Dunnie.

First post or not - still pedantic. You were a teacher! :)
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Paul R,

25/02/2008 16:13:41
The USA can build big projects so much easier than we can - look at their road system as an example. There are no NIMBY ("not in my back yard") issues, projects are delivered on time and for a fraction of the cost in this country.
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indune1,

25/02/2008 16:14:14
Tried to - at Splashie's suggestion - get on to your blog. Missed the repartee with you, AYshire Laddie, COnan, my dear and sultry karin, et al. However, failed miserably.

Haven't reverted back to old moniker. Especially sine you urged me to change it so many moons ago. You still in Spain? How's the Licor 43 and the now infamous plunge pool? Cheers.

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kimba,

25/02/2008 16:21:04
Hey meths,did you have a good weekend?
90

IainA,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 16:22:55
"SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night."

To paraphrase Mandy Rice Davies: "Well he would dear, wouldn't he?"

There is a problem with planning applications being processed timeously (I think that's a word) across scotland, but it's a resourcing problem. We need to look at increasing the manpower and possibly streamlining the application process, while still allowing adequate time for scrutiny of and objections to any proposed new developments.

I find it a little ironic that business leaders are complaining about the speed of the planning approval process. Ideally I suspect they would prefer the plans in on monday and approved by friday.

The problem with that is that it is not always in everyone's interest to allow a proposal planning approval and I believe that any attempt to speed the process up needs to be very careful about protecting the rights of people to object.

Just by the way too, is it me, or is this commonly used phrase "losing billions of pounds in revenue" a false positive? It isn't "losing" billions of pounds, it's "not making" billions of pounds. No one will have to pay out billions because of profits that weren't made (except maybe the government to Northern Wreck shareholders)
91

indune1,

25/02/2008 16:25:02
101 - well said.
92

Resolutions,

25/02/2008 16:27:44
#58 Architects can design the most beautiful house in the world, but if it is plonked down on top of a field drain it is not exactly going to work is it?
Engineers sticking a larger pipe into a smaller one does not seem joined up thinking to me.

That seems to be the major problem - Lack of joined up thinking and for that matter lateral thinking. Everyone thinking of their own particular interest, with no overall reference to the impact on the area etc.

And yes local plans are drawn up - and consistently broken. Planner here wants to build on a bit which is frequently flooded and is perpetually waterlogged and no its not for houseboats!
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indune1,

25/02/2008 16:30:03

Resoultions - then what is the solution?

Is there not a central body mandated to do the lateral thinking you believe is missing?
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 16:33:32
Indune1 -generally-

Curious to levy criticism (in my direction) when you have made no contributions of opinion at all on this thread whilst bleating that my comments are not "On subject", when clearly they are and you have not remeined "on subject AT ALL !

It is you that is projecting on every level, unfortunately for you.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 16:34:57
De-centralise 104
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indune1,

25/02/2008 16:44:17
106 - LOL. See 76, 101 and of course 104.

You blame a lack of development planning on the English.

Such a view is moronic. Scots - Unionist or Nationalist - have it in themselves to solve this problem.

Tackling the problem with statements such as yours


"SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because the english government is stealing our oil, our resources, and still in control of institutions in Scotland that only employ english".

demonstrates a lack of maturity and sophistry.

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IainA,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 16:46:17
Do they do an environmental impact study for large developments these days? I know it was supposed to become a mandatory part of the planning process some years ago, but I don't know if it ever happened.

You know, asking questions like...is this proposed site on a flood plain? if it's brownfield, is there industrial contamination?

What powers do planning departments have to make developers tear down buildings that breach their rules?

I'm thinking of the classic estate development builders trick of creating the mandatory green area in an estate, then plonking another 30 houses on it in the last phase of development and paying the few thousand pound fine out of small change, while making hundreds of thousands on the house sales.

They might think again if there was an automatic demolition order.
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dido-bendigo,

Argyll 25/02/2008 17:03:03
Scottish People missing billions because of planning holdups! Now that would be a serious headline! The people who are really missing out are the 'get rich quick on tax payers money' merchants. Due to the promise of golden goose eggs from the Renewables Obligations Certificate payouts under the windfarm scam. Put the turbines under the sea, then you will see the permissions given. Leave our landscapes alone for the tourists to enjoy!
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:05:38
#98 Paul R

Yes, in the USA they throw up buildings at a rate of knots, but look at it, the palce is a mess with urban sprawl as far as the eye can see...if speeding up thwe planning system in Scotland and the UK (there are similar problems in England too) will lead to USA-type development, then let's slow the blo@dy thing right down!!

The UK is a hugely over-populated island; allowing development wherever people want it is asking for trouble. Furthermore, unlike the USA, we have significant historic designations to consider and ancient settlement patterns to be respected...we can't just put route 66 through the islands to link Inverness to the central belt...we have to look at things more carefully over this side of the pond...
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:07:08
107
Do YOU have an opinion ?

Do you have an opinion that isn't reactionary ?


Clearly you don't/cannot differentiate between a comparison and a statement.

There are many government institutions in Scotland that operate a "Keep it in the club policy" for managerial positions and executive rape. Interesting how very nearly all of them are english, don't you think? What would the ramifications of this be? How would this affect those "under" them? how does this allow a build of Scottish prerogatives. How would this result in anything less than utter collusion for english interest bringing english developers which encourage english companies to waltz in?

Comparison is not the hand of blame you blithering skite.

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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:13:49
#108 IainA,Edinburgh

Yes, Environmental Impact Assessments are still a requirement for all large applications, or those proposed in sensitive locations. In temrs of flooding, Flood Risk Assessment are required whenever a development is proposed near a watercourse or near foreshore that features on SEPA's 1-in-200 flood maps. Design Statements are required for all development proposals located in senstive landscape or historic designations. Traffic Impact assessments are required for developments which represent a significant intensification in the use of a road or junction...

...so many assessments are done for so many applications. It's not credible for the public to think a planner just plucks a decision out of mid air and decides an application at the t0ss of a coin...a great deal of thought - many many hours - goes into assessing and deterimining most applications.

And whoever it was wheeled out the tired line about the councillor knowing the field flooded but the planners permitted the development anyway...yes, well mistakes can happen (it's called being human) but unless there is strong evidence to support refusing an application, you can't holdback consent. Just cause of some hear-say on the grapevine, or 'when I was ab oy I saw that field flooded' doesn't provide a sound or clear justification for refusal...
102

indune1,

25/02/2008 17:15:58

Opinion? I think I have clearly expressed mine whilst trying - between your shrill interventions - to learn more of this issue.

You are a small-minded person or, as said in the Army, a waste of rations.
103

Over the Top,

25/02/2008 17:20:15
Scotland has lots of Civil Servants at all levels who like to hold development back. How else would they get the power they so often crave.
104

IainA,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:22:18
#108 Daibhidh

Good points. The point I was making was that builders will chance their arm. Some reputable builders would do an assessment themselves, but a lot wouldn't, and some of them know how to work an already overstretched system - which is why we get housing developments in London on contaminated sites, and blocks of new housing in Gloucestershire on flood plains.

This doesn't seem to happen so much in Scotland (perhaps because the planning rules are different?) but I'm sure it's only a matter of time until someone works a flanker.

And of course, if it does transpire that there is a problem with a development then you find that large construction companies have much deeper pockets than heavily mortgaged homeowners whose property is now worthless when it comes to court cases.

Planning applications are supposed to prevent this sort of thing or at least make them less likely which is why, while I do think some streamlining is needed, I'd be very, very cautious about how it is done.
105

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:24:07
# 114

"Scotland has lots of Civil Servants at all levels who like to hold development back. How else would they get the power they so often crave."

Rubbish, it's the politicians who crave power...anyone wanting power and an opinion of their own wouldn't go into public service...should be rephrased: 'Scotland has lots of politicians at all levels who like to hold development back or grant it if it's proposed by a friend. How else would they get the power they so often crave.'
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:30:12
#115 IainA

It's just the same in Scotland, only the big companies from down south are only just starting to operate up here.

Developers have pockets deep enough to be able to pay private sector planners, who have a fraction of the caseload of local authority planners, to find ways round development plan policy and ram through developments. Until local government planning departments have enough staff to properly assess applications and sufficient power to enforcement consents or breaches (planning enforcement is a waste of breath and a toothless tiger, regardles ofthe lipservice refoms proposed by the new planning act), developers will just dance a merry dance around local authorities and communities...

While I full accept much of local government should be streamlined and slimmed down, planning is quite the oppositie...planning needs more money and staff...
107

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:33:11
113
indune1,
25/02/2008 17:15:58

"To learn more of this issue", fine

Bar that, you have expressed no opinion and sat on the fence, which can also be a valid expression, yet that is not what I drew from you're (just for you) comments.

108

Martyk,

25/02/2008 17:50:53
I am a hell of a lot more concerned about the news that the Qatari Investment Bank is considering a takeover bid for Royal Bank of Scotland. Surely that simply cannot be allowed to happen? Scotland will have no big independent companies left.
109

indune1,

25/02/2008 17:51:09

Stone the crows! I believe 102 is a definitive statement of opinion.

One doesn't have to make grandiose, dramatic statements to be seen as having offered an opinion.

My first intervention was to state my complete and utter rejection of your initial posting.

To blame everything on the English is well - plain stupid.

Your statements, sir, do the cause of nationalism a disservice.
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indune1,

25/02/2008 17:56:55

Meths - surely a swig or two of the Licor 43 would make the plunge pool more warm and inviting?

I still have your classic rant in "my favourites" folder!!! Quite a thread that night!!!
111

indune1,

25/02/2008 18:03:08
Meths - LOL!!
112

William of the Clan MacKay,

25/02/2008 18:17:55
The economy would greatly recover if the Gov't allowed Scottish/americans who need to move and work in Scotland. Do it.
113

kimba,

25/02/2008 18:38:28
meths,sorry to hear that,wedding was a great success but boring.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 18:39:24
122
indune1,
25/02/2008 17:51:09

None of my posts have blamed the english, only illustrated the rot in the colonial institutions in Scotland.

I am not a nationalist, I do uphold the right to maintain mine nationality and our culture. I do not support the SNP.I don't care for the UK or the EU or the USA. I do champion all thinking natives to do something about our situation to make it better in Scotland for Scots, given that everyone else is welcome on our terms, which it not currently the case.

Independence dear man, Independence.
115

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 18:43:47
Now, Historic Scotland - that time wasting colonial institution, justification generator?

Or that institution that promotes a preserve ethic rather than a living culture ethic?

Is it required at all, to have something else enshrined in law?
116

revsween,

25/02/2008 18:43:53
Lazy public sector parasites hold bussiness back .Whats new?
117

indune1,

25/02/2008 19:04:01

"SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because the english government is stealing our oil, our resources, and still in control of institutions in Scotland that only employ english."

Ard Righ - I have no desire to prolong our exchanges but when you state in your posting of 128 that none of your posts have blamed the English; how you can reconcile that statement with your posting I have quoted?
118

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 25/02/2008 19:39:44
There are too many proposed projects and too few qualified staff to vet the plans. Why? The world is complex, and even a project that is simple at first glance, e.g. the windfarm on Leodhas, involves many potential problems, each of which needs to be investigated. One project may require investigations of service and infrastructure provision, architecture, ecology, social science, commerce, engineering, and public consultation. It is difficult to see how the business of vetting plans could be dished out to the private sector without massive "irregularities". So this means that poorly paid and overworked civil servants must do the job. This is ineffective, yet the government has a duty to control its payroll - it can't just recruit more and more staff, many of whom would be too inexperienced to vet planning applications. On the other hand the risk of approving plans without adequate consideration can be quite extreme - and we as the public would never forgive the government for a catastrophic blunder. So does anyone have an answer? I don't!
119

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 25/02/2008 19:48:02
Ah ha! Maybe I DO have an answer! All professionals, (sociologists, lawyers, engineers, architects etc.) have professional bodies. These bodies keep records of their members, and those who are found incompetent are sanctioned in some way and sometimes struck off the register. Likewise these bodies recognise senior status and outstanding work. Why not introduce a law that would force senior, experienced members of such bodies to give some of their time to the vetting of planning applications, obviously with automatic recusal for potential conflicts of interest. The system could work along the lines of jury duty, and each professional called upon to do such work would only have to consider one project every 5 or so years.
Good idea? Bad idea?
120

indune1,

25/02/2008 20:05:32

134 - good idea but you would be up against some very powerful forces - ones that are not only part of the establishment, they define it.

To ask them to police themselves is asking the rabbits to guard the lettuce.

So, we demand that our elected reps pass legislation that would enforce a more stringent and open accounting by such professional groups.

In my opinion, that could only happen if you could totally eradicate the sleazy lobbying that some of these associations engage in so such accountability is never called upon.

121

danielrober,

25/02/2008 20:09:21
# 134 Caora Dubh,Croit sheasgair

GOOD idea.

It would be interesting to see professional bodies brought back into the system. Nice.
122

The Tam ,

Puerto Bella 25/02/2008 20:20:44

Daibhidh,Edinburgh 25/02/2008 17:30:12

This is just the sort of anti-development vitriol from someone who sounds like one of these anally retentive planners who are holding back development.

An anti-development culture is endemic within many planning departments.




123

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 21:42:41
Good tanny program on bbc2, i always wanted to see what them things got up to behind closed doors, man its , well er sort of skirmishing..ach am going back to flee picking. A TRANNY FLEE??
124

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 22:34:00
Did anybody see me on BBC2 on holiday in Iran?
125

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 22:39:15
140 Fake. Yes i did but at least it was not malta, you smelly old tranny
126

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 22:45:31
140 you were an utter disgrace to trannys the world over, i shall shoot you,.
127

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 22:56:01
I moved from Malta to Iran. You get better treatment there.

Come over and visit. I will see if I can arrange a ritual stoning for you.
128

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 22:57:40
Glad to see you can now spell "Substantiate".

Especially after I pointed out your mistake to you.
129

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:06:09
FAKE, it is the same moniker and was always spelt correct, you dumb tranny.
130

Observer, formerly resident,

25/02/2008 23:06:25
"BETTER ACCESS TO GRANGEMOUTH FREIGHT HUB
This means improving road and [NB] rail links to support the hub's role as Scotland's largest container port."

Loss of the Falkirk avoiding line to Grangemouth was perhaps unfortunate but at the time unavaoidable(the through route closed in 1968; about half remained as a siding, but was lifted in 1991) - but, in the light of the above quotation, one then wonders at the conversion of the present Grangemouth Junction to a single-lead junction... last year!

131

Conan the Librarian™,

25/02/2008 23:10:20
143
Surely de-stoning?
132

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 25/02/2008 23:11:05
Michty, I wonder how the fakey will react when he finds out his tormentor is a 16 year old lesbian?
133

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:11:37
Hey anyone seen the iranitranny...lol, this should catch on..Hey tranny we are all in the club des hoos poos and cutting and pasting your posts and having a right good old Scottish giggle at you. you sad freak
134

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:12:14
148 nice one.lol
135

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:14:51
145 what about your numerous postings on here
http://news.scotsman.com/comment/The-Celtic-Lion-and-Celtic.3781350.jp
136

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 23:15:48
131
indune1,
25/02/2008 19:04:01


"SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because the english government is stealing our oil, our resources, and still in control of institutions in Scotland that only employ english."

Fair point in psycholinguistics's, yet it was a comparison albeit in tongue in cheek comparison of the first paragraph of the article.

Unfortunately my experience as a native Scot in Edinburgh reveals extreme prejudice in the form of application forms asking your nationality and contradicting by saying we operate a equal opertunities policy. Well if that were the case, why ask the question? It is (and this is based on forty plus years of tests to colonial institutions in Edinburgh)a vetting procedure to single out all the double barreled names and throw the rest in the bin, even when the Scot or the Irish or the African or the Pole are far better qualified ! Extreme ethno-racism by the visiting english. Why are they hated so much?
137

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/02/2008 23:17:27
Hoos Poos Ba's MacGinty
138

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:17:28
149 You are cutting and pasting my posts?

You are joking? How devastating.

You really know how to kick someone when they are down.

Or maybe not you illiterate idiot.

Substansiate ............hahahaha what a thicko. Cant even spell his own name.
139

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:18:44
Here is another one of your well informed and educated posts.............

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:28:57
#1 PC Plod... Ballamory...whats the story in ballamory!!! hell yeh i love that wee tune..hee hee..
140

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:19:08
Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,15/02/2008 00:55:11
#3 AM2 YAWN

I am sitting in my nest and have just read your post.
NOW i says. I have fluttered down to my local halfmoon 24 hour shop in nearby corpach to buy today's Daily Record. It may be pure tripe but it's heaven and earth compared to your tyrannical posts
#151 Fake..Jesus you must be board.
141

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:21:10
Another Classic

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:08:52
On my way back from Coldstream last night to my Letterfinly estate outside Fortwilliam, i thought i would take a shortcut and fly over Leiths Salamander street to check out the talent.

Well hell sweet holly Mary of Nazareth!! What a shock this bird of prey got, hell yes ...This was real Corton Vale stuff strutting along the kerbs. As i fluttered down to have a closer look at my fright i asked my self, "who or what would touch that?"

This horrendous thing looked okay from the back but when it turned round, bloody hell it was 67 years old and was donning a mini skirt and Nike pro baseball cap.

She asked if i was interested in a quickie, i said to her very politely that i only had 10p on me and i needed that for some twigs....This is the sort of stuff that should be locked up, i spewed all the way back up to my very Substantial estate and i will never fly over Leith again....Aberdeen docks???
142

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:22:11
155 fake.Feck of...oh feck your weird, your like a rat and dont let go, i have a life now pis# of tranny.
Brr its freezing out here.Club ded hoos poos nice and snug...you sad and pathetic low life pice of scum. 24/7 trolling..feck your sad
143

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:23:37
My God, when you actually read these.....it becomes very clear what a total idiot you are.

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:19:01
#137 Ayrshire Scot..Come now come now, The Master is a good friend of mine and always leaves plenty of raw meet and nuts in his garden for me to munch on.

The Master is a very generous individual and i am very grateful to his generosity in feeding me when im fluttering to and through from my estate to my cousins in Coldstream in the borders. The Master..X

144

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:24:36
149 You are cutting and pasting my posts?

You are joking? How devastating.

You really know how to kick someone when they are down.

Or maybe not you illiterate idiot.

Substansiate ............hahahaha what a thicko. Cant even spell his own name
145

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:24:36
Another classic from the weirdo...

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:22:51
#140 The Darkside...Ah now, you tell the truth. I have a birds eye view of that wee sauna next to the spar shop in Raeburn and i have seen your twinkle little feet nipping in their..hmmm, i thought so...!!
146

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:25:23
Another classic from the weirdo...

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:22:51
#140 The Darkside...Ah now, you tell the truth. I have a birds eye view of that wee sauna next to the spar shop in Raeburn and i have seen your twinkle little feet nipping in their..hmmm, i thought so...!!
147

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:26:14
Another Classic

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:08:52
On my way back from Coldstream last night to my Letterfinly estate outside Fortwilliam, i thought i would take a shortcut and fly over Leiths Salamander street to check out the talent.

Well hell sweet holly Mary of Nazareth!! What a shock this bird of prey got, hell yes ...This was real Corton Vale stuff strutting along the kerbs. As i fluttered down to have a closer look at my fright i asked my self, "who or what would touch that?"

This horrendous thing looked okay from the back but when it turned round, bloody hell it was 67 years old and was donning a mini skirt and Nike pro baseball cap.

She asked if i was interested in a quickie, i said to her very politely that i only had 10p on me and i needed that for some twigs....This is the sort of stuff that should be locked up, i spewed all the way back up to my very Substantial estate and i will never fly over Leith again....Aberdeen docks???
148

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:26:43
Another Classic

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:08:52
On my way back from Coldstream last night to my Letterfinly estate outside Fortwilliam, i thought i would take a shortcut and fly over Leiths Salamander street to check out the talent.

Well hell sweet holly Mary of Nazareth!! What a shock this bird of prey got, hell yes ...This was real Corton Vale stuff strutting along the kerbs. As i fluttered down to have a closer look at my fright i asked my self, "who or what would touch that?"

This horrendous thing looked okay from the back but when it turned round, bloody hell it was 67 years old and was donning a mini skirt and Nike pro baseball cap.

She asked if i was interested in a quickie, i said to her very politely that i only had 10p on me and i needed that for some twigs....This is the sort of stuff that should be locked up, i spewed all the way back up to my very Substantial estate and i will never fly over Leith again....Aberdeen docks???
149

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:26:57
Another Classic

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:08:52
On my way back from Coldstream last night to my Letterfinly estate outside Fortwilliam, i thought i would take a shortcut and fly over Leiths Salamander street to check out the talent.

Well hell sweet holly Mary of Nazareth!! What a shock this bird of prey got, hell yes ...This was real Corton Vale stuff strutting along the kerbs. As i fluttered down to have a closer look at my fright i asked my self, "who or what would touch that?"

This horrendous thing looked okay from the back but when it turned round, bloody hell it was 67 years old and was donning a mini skirt and Nike pro baseball cap.

She asked if i was interested in a quickie, i said to her very politely that i only had 10p on me and i needed that for some twigs....This is the sort of stuff that should be locked up, i spewed all the way back up to my very Substantial estate and i will never fly over Leith again....Aberdeen docks???
150

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:27:03
Now he is talking about Wabbits, what a Mong.

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,10/02/2008 14:08:00
Goddammit Wendy says!,only a fool would use this sort of terminology. This is a disgruntled leader chirping her way up a gum tree and one has to hastily add, not my gum tree.

Wendy is a shambles and the sleaze that surrounds her smells worse that a Pikora factory in south Wales. I am hyperventilating because i have just seen a big fat juicy Wabbit being scoffed by Andy Kerr, Who ate all the Wabbits? you fat swine.! god dam it i say!!
151

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:27:11
Another Classic

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:08:52
On my way back from Coldstream last night to my Letterfinly estate outside Fortwilliam, i thought i would take a shortcut and fly over Leiths Salamander street to check out the talent.

Well hell sweet holly Mary of Nazareth!! What a shock this bird of prey got, hell yes ...This was real Corton Vale stuff strutting along the kerbs. As i fluttered down to have a closer look at my fright i asked my self, "who or what would touch that?"

This horrendous thing looked okay from the back but when it turned round, bloody hell it was 67 years old and was donning a mini skirt and Nike pro baseball cap.

She asked if i was interested in a quickie, i said to her very politely that i only had 10p on me and i needed that for some twigs....This is the sort of stuff that should be locked up, i spewed all the way back up to my very Substantial estate and i will never fly over Leith again....Aberdeen docks???
152

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:27:35
Now he is talking about Wabbits, what a Mong.

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,10/02/2008 14:08:00
Goddammit Wendy says!,only a fool would use this sort of terminology. This is a disgruntled leader chirping her way up a gum tree and one has to hastily add, not my gum tree.

Wendy is a shambles and the sleaze that surrounds her smells worse that a Pikora factory in south Wales. I am hyperventilating because i have just seen a big fat juicy Wabbit being scoffed by Andy Kerr, Who ate all the Wabbits? you fat swine.! god dam it i say!!
153

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:28:22
Now he is talking about Wabbits, what a Mong.

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,10/02/2008 14:08:00
Goddammit Wendy says!,only a fool would use this sort of terminology. This is a disgruntled leader chirping her way up a gum tree and one has to hastily add, not my gum tree.

Wendy is a shambles and the sleaze that surrounds her smells worse that a Pikora factory in south Wales. I am hyperventilating because i have just seen a big fat juicy Wabbit being scoffed by Andy Kerr, Who ate all the Wabbits? you fat swine.! god dam it i say!!
154

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:28:33
Another Classic

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:08:52
On my way back from Coldstream last night to my Letterfinly estate outside Fortwilliam, i thought i would take a shortcut and fly over Leiths Salamander street to check out the talent.

Well hell sweet holly Mary of Nazareth!! What a shock this bird of prey got, hell yes ...This was real Corton Vale stuff strutting along the kerbs. As i fluttered down to have a closer look at my fright i asked my self, "who or what would touch that?"

This horrendous thing looked okay from the back but when it turned round, bloody hell it was 67 years old and was donning a mini skirt and Nike pro baseball cap.

She asked if i was interested in a quickie, i said to her very politely that i only had 10p on me and i needed that for some twigs....This is the sort of stuff that should be locked up, i spewed all the way back up to my very Substantial estate and i will never fly over Leith again....Aberdeen docks???
155

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:29:03
Another classic from the weirdo...

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,13/02/2008 15:22:51
#140 The Darkside...Ah now, you tell the truth. I have a birds eye view of that wee sauna next to the spar shop in Raeburn and i have seen your twinkle little feet nipping in their..hmmm, i thought so...!!
156

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:29:36
take so long?



Wind farms and other energy projects are among the proposed major developments that are being delayed while councillors and ministers decide whether they should be given the go-ahead (Picture: Ian Rutherford)


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View GalleryBy HAMISH MACDONELL
SCOTLAND is losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per
157

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:30:14
Has anyone seen the tranny from iran?
158

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:30:47
losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year i
159

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:31:05
losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year i
160

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:31:16
losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year i
161

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:31:23
losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year i
162

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:31:47
Has anyone seen the tranny from iran?
163

Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:32:05
So was the spelling always correct then???

I dont think so. "SUBSTANSIATE", HAHAHAHA



Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,25/02/2008 23:06:09
FAKE, it is the same moniker and was always spelt correct, you dumb tranny
164

Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:33:07
the spelling always correct then???

I dont think so. "SUBSTANSIATE", HAHAHAHA



Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,25/02/2008 23:06:09
FAKE, it is the same moniker and was always spelt correct, you dumb tranny
165

 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:33:09
Another classic

Now he is talking about Wabbits, what a Mong.

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,10/02/2008 14:08:00
Goddammit Wendy says!,only a fool would use this sort of terminology. This is a disgruntled leader chirping her way up a gum tree and one has to hastily add, not my gum tree.

Wendy is a shambles and the sleaze that surrounds her smells worse that a Pikora factory in south Wales. I am hyperventilating because i have just seen a big fat juicy Wabbit being scoffed by Andy Kerr, Who ate all the Wabbits? you fat swine.! god dam it i say!!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:33:26
So was the spelling always correct then???

I dont think so. "SUBSTANSIATE", HAHAHAHA



Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,25/02/2008 23:06:09
FAKE, it is the same moniker and was always spelt correct, you dumb tranny
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 25/02/2008 23:34:24
is that the Iranitranny?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:34:58
Classic:

Now he is talking about Wabbits, what a Mong.

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,10/02/2008 14:08:00
Goddammit Wendy says!,only a fool would use this sort of terminology. This is a disgruntled leader chirping her way up a gum tree and one has to hastily add, not my gum tree.

Wendy is a shambles and the sleaze that surrounds her smells worse that a Pikora factory in south Wales. I am hyperventilating because i have just seen a big fat juicy Wabbit being scoffed by Andy Kerr, Who ate all the Wabbits? you fat swine.! god dam it i say!!
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Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:35:16
Transvestism is the practice of cross-dressing, which is wearing the clothing of the opposite sex. Transvestit e refers to a person who cross-dresses; however, the word often has additional connotations.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:35:24
losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year i
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:35:33
losing billions of pounds in revenue and its economy is falling behind the rest of the UK because of long delays faced by major planning applications, one of the country's business leaders said last night.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, warned ministers and council leaders that Scotland had to accelerate the planning process or it would fail to hit its 2011 target of equalling the UK's growth rate.

His comments come amid growing controversy over the planning process in Scotland, with a series of large developments hit by delays.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has already had to defend the Scottish Government's approach to planning after the decision to call in the planned £1 billion Trump golf and housing development in the North-east. An application was made last year but there is still no indication of when a decision will be made on its future.

Ministers have yet to decide whether to give the go-ahead to the huge wind farm proposed for the Isle of Lewis, which could meet 11 per cent of Scotland's electricity needs.

Also, despite a £10 million, three-month public inquiry, a decision has still to be reached on Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission's proposal for a 137-mile new power line between Beauly and Denny.

Councils are supposed to process 80 per cent of all major planning applications within four months, but fewer than half are decided within this deadline. And the situation is getting worse, with delays more common now than two years ago.

The latest figures from the Scottish Government show that in 2006-7, only 46 per cent of major applications were determined within the four-month target, compared with 51 per cent in 2004-5.

The actual number of applications decided within four months is also down. In 2004-5, the total was 1,021; by 2005-6, this dropped to 980, and by 2006-7, it was down again, to 904.

The Scottish CBI has calculated in the past that planning delays cost the Scottish economy £600 million a year i
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:35:54
Transvestism is the practice of cross-dressing, which is wearing the clothing of the opposite sex. Transvestit e refers to a person who cross-dresses; however, the word often has additional connotations.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:36:02
Transvestism is the practice of cross-dressing, which is wearing the clothing of the opposite sex. Transvestit e refers to a person who cross-dresses; however, the word often has additional connotations.
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Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:36:04
The term transvestism has undergone several changes of meaning since it was coined in the 1910s, and it is still used in a variety of senses. Therefore it is important to find out, whenever the word is encountered, in which particular sense it is used. However, to understand the different meanings of transvestism it is necessary to explain the development of the term and the reasons behind the changes of meaning
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Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:38:55
COME OUT TRANNY
COME OUT TRANNY.
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Bird of Prey. Substantiate what you say,

25/02/2008 23:40:57
The sensational and outrageous look The clothes
The main inspiration that helped Bowie to visualise the sensational and outrageous look on stage came from the Stanley Kubrick film, A Clockwork Orange, but he gave it a softer look as it did not need to be so ultra violent. Bowie was helped by his wife Angie (Mary Angela Barnett) who used to go to London’s side street shops to look for extremely colourful and cheap clothes, which broke all the then existing fashion rules. This was a very intelligent move as it was probably the main inspiration that captivated fashion designers to come out with the Unisex clothes in the early 70’s. Those were the type of clothes that helped in no small way to establish Bowie as Ziggy, a plastic performer. However, Bowie was shrewd enough to perform in the usual crisp white shirts and jeans, a sort of a Rock band’s stage uniform in venues that were far away from London. He would only change into the outrageous clothes as the bland played closer to London. The Bowies set up Freddi Burretti and friends in their spacious mansion flat in Beckenham, London. Freddi, who was a clothes designer used his imagination to provide Bowie with some of the most stunning range of clothes ever to be worn by a rock entertainer, both on and off stage
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The Master,

25/02/2008 23:46:51
194 Me
Now old bean, go back to kimba
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The Master,

25/02/2008 23:47:08
COME OUT TRANNY
COME OUT TRANNY
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The Master,

with kimba 25/02/2008 23:48:00
The term transvestism has undergone several changes of meaning since it was coined in the 1910s, and it is still used in a variety of senses. Therefore it is important to find out, whenever the word is encountered, in which particular sense it is used. However, to understand the different meanings of transvestism it is necessary to explain the development of the term and the reasons behind the changes of meaning
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The Master,

25/02/2008 23:48:11
200
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The Master,

25/02/2008 23:48:18
200
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The Master,

25/02/2008 23:48:40
Better me that that lean leat sogging tranny
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The Dark Side­­­,

25/02/2008 23:49:39
This Iranian internet cafe is very cheap.
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25/02/2008 23:50:49
The term transvestism has undergone several changes of meaning since it was coined in the 1910s, and it is still used in a variety of senses. Therefore it is important to find out, whenever the word is encountered, in which particular sense it is used. However, to understand the different meanings of transvestism it is necessary to explain the development of the term and the reasons behind the changes of meaning
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Aýrshire Scot™,

25/02/2008 23:56:31
It's OK now Marvin, IT IS SAFE!

You can come out now...fakey has been banished.
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Isonomia,

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Why is planning such a problem in Scotland?

Because 203 posts have an opinion, and I don't!
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laoban,

borders 26/02/2008 01:09:06
Business isn't only concerned about speed ;business looks for consistent, unemotionally applied rules.

For example; re developement of an existing industrial site--to meet todays' demands for say bio or computer games industry; shouldn't be too onerous. The site has already been approved for some industrial application--so moving it to a more productive one is a win/win for all..its celan creates more jobs--have a fast track for this sort of change

For new proposals: whether the Trump course or a new resturant on Princes Street:a clear, unambiguous process ;with milestones and time limits should be adopted. Just be consistent in its application. Over time ;if consistently applied, this approach will have the desired effect of being both business and environmentally friendly

Take a look at Ireland. Why is their economy growing faster than UK average? In large part Because they have this sort of planning approach...and a proactive mentality..

Shouldn't it be in everyone's interest to a ) attract new clean investment in Scotland b) have an environment which encourages new entrepreneurs , new job creation--without creating environmental concerns.

A local council who fails to create such an environment is doing a serious disservice to its constituency
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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 26/02/2008 02:09:46
If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed;
if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.
~~Mark Twain

Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
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William of the Clan MacKay,

27/02/2008 18:21:37
Here is a query. Are the present Scots just too tired to do what needs to be done? If so, then get new blood into the country. As I mentioned w/Scot-americans. And let them help w/the problem at hand! After all, they booted the English out of their country! Learn from history mates!!!!
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William of the Clan MacKay,

27/02/2008 18:30:45
"If your not part of the solution. You're part of the problem"!!!
There are people willing to do what needs to be. So, Holyrood. I know many Scot-americans on the ready to be reunited with the country of their heritage. To make Scotland for the Scots. After all, it is their cousins, Us. Who need the allience w/them. And make them citizens of Alba. Then as my Namesake said. "We'll have a country of our own!" Enough said, mates???
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George Coutts,

Keflavik Iceland 28/02/2008 02:29:09
How to stop hold ups in new bussinesses in Scotland.
Simple
1. VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE
2. THATS IT!
I reside in Iceland, I am working as a labourer for a construction company, my wife is a day care mum with 5 kids under 2.
We have our own 4 bedroom house, 2006 Subaru Forester, and live much better than my fellow Scots.
Why, Because Iceland became Independent in June 17th 1944 from Royalist Denmark and are now a Strong well off Nordic Nation.
Could I do the same in Scotland with the same jobs.
Answer NOT A HOPE IN HELL.
VERY VERY SAD BUT TRUE.

 

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