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Why city's tram planners should take another line



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Published Date: 18 March 2008
Just one route is coming to Edinburgh but City Council Reporter Alan Roden discovers that hopes are still high that part of a more ambitious scheme may yet be revived.
WITH three lines spanning the Capital in all directions, trams were billed as the emphatic answer to Edinburgh's congestion woes.

Back in 2001, plans for a £671 million network were unveiled, which would incorporate a loop from the city centre to
Granton, a separate line from Princes Street to Newbridge and another route to the ERI and Newcraighall.

Fast forward seven years, and while the return of trams is no longer in doubt, describing the scheme as a "network" would be wrong. Instead, the project as it stands is just one line – known as 1a – running from Newhaven to the airport.

A spur from Haymarket to Granton, known as 1b, was put on hold when the tram plans were scaled back in 2006 amid fears that costs were spiralling out of control.

But last week, the council's transport firm TIE launched a project team to once again investigate ways of paying for this link, and it claims now to be "optimistic" that the exercise will go ahead.

Phase 1b could open by the end of 2012 – a year-and-a-half after the first line is completed – if a decision to proceed is taken by city councillors this year.

The route, which would run along the Roseburn Urban Wildlife Corridor, remains one of the most controversial elements of an already contentious scheme.

However, there is little doubt that something more akin to a tram network is preferable to the current one-line scenario.

In 2006, a report revealed that the Granton link will not bring in any more revenue than buses already do, and can only be justified because of its other benefits, such as encouraging major development in north Edinburgh.

Indeed, the Capital's booming economy is one of the reasons cited for the need to bring back trams.

There will be nearly 35,000 more people working in the city by 2015, and around 25,000 new homes are earmarked for north Edinburgh.

Trams can carry 20,000 passengers an hour – far more than buses – and some roads are expected to reach capacity for buses in as little as five years.

Therefore, without trams serving the shoreline, development prospects in Granton would be seriously damaged.

TIE has now secured a fixed price of £87 million to build the 1b line, if it can commit to the project before next spring.

The £543m already in place to build 1a includes £96m in "contingency" funding, which is designed to cover any further increases.

A few years ago, tram chiefs were confident they would not need to tap into this resource, but it is now understood only around half of the cash will be left to put towards the spur.

Among the options being considered for any funding gap is selling off council assets, such as land or publicly-owned buildings.

This is the least desirable option, and has rightly been branded by the Tories as "selling off the family silver".

Another possibility would be borrowing from either public or private sources, using so-called "innovative finance" – such as the SNP's long-awaited Scottish Futures Trust – to unlock additional investment to deliver the spur.

But the favoured option is to press for more developer contributions.

In some cities with trams, house prices have risen by up to 15 per cent and rental prices by up to seven per cent.

The council already expects the bulk of its £45m contribution to the 1a tram line to come from those who will benefit from it running alongside their developments. But new figures show that just £2.39m has been collected so far, while a paltry £3000 contribution from developers has so far been agreed towards the 1b line.

TIE executive chairman Willie Gallagher, pictured below, says: "The construction of line 1b is fundamental to the delivery of the economic benefits for the city and a core part of the trams' final business case.

"It has always been part of our plans and we will continue to develop the options that are open to us over the coming months."

Ultimately, it would be preferable for the tram route to incorporate the original idea of a complete loop from the city centre.

This would involve building the short stretch known as "phase two" from Leith Waterfront to Granton.

And tram line three to south Edinburgh remains as vital for the city's future success as it did when first proposed.

Unfortunately, a foolhardy decision was taken many years ago to prioritise the northern and western routes over this route, which then became dependant on the unlikely success of the road tolls proposal.

But it is becoming clear the best way to win future funding for this vital link – and further extensions – is to make Edinburgh's first tram line a clear success.





The full article contains 832 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Dragonlord,

18/03/2008 10:53:58
£671 Million for THREE lines. Cost is now OVER £700Million for ONE line. When will these people wake up and realise this is a waste of money?


However, there is little doubt that something more akin to a tram network is preferable to the current one-line scenario.

WRONG there is plenty of doubt, It would be preferable that this was scrapped three years ago.
2

OnTrack,

18/03/2008 11:41:01
Given that it's even written in the text above...how did you pull £700 million from this for line 1a?...

"The £543m already in place to build 1a includes £96m in "contingency" funding, which is designed to cover any further increases."

Just curious

This is a 'line' albeit without the loop back through Granton and gets all the way from the airport to Newhaven. Another point that's worrying....where are people getting the idea that the tram line will stop at Gogar? I checked with the people designing and building the scheme and it *definitely* runs to the airport...the depot at Gogar is *NOT* a terminus, it's just a place for the trams to be garaged...

They will run right from the airport buildings, via the park and ride, all the way to Leith.
3

Eddie,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 11:42:31
Is this a news report?
Who wrote it? It sounds more like an advertisment for the trams.

..it is becoming clear the best way to win future funding for this vital link – and further extensions – is to make Edinburgh's first tram line a clear success."

Now there's a gem of objective journalism!
4

Amenemhat,

18/03/2008 12:15:23
Got the bus through Melville street last night, there is a burst water main now with water pouring out of the ground, I wonder if they will block the road to fix it, or leave it for months. I guess the buses were heavy oops
5

Artemis,

18/03/2008 12:23:19
Who are the Tories to criticise anyone for selling off public assets? Bunch of hypocrites.
6

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/03/2008 12:25:34
Well, Scotlands skint and doesnt have enough money for full infrastructure projects. That worries me more than trams.

I agree with this, the sooner we get a network in place the better, but dont hold your breath. This could be a mess.

7

Top Floor,

18/03/2008 12:28:28
#1

Do you just make up numbers to suit your argument ?
8

Hamish Scott,

18/03/2008 12:29:15
Since the purpose of the tram line(s) to the Waterfont are to service the developments there, why are the developers not making a significant contribution?
I agree with the gist of the article however that only with line 3 will we have a network. Line 3 would connects significant destinations including a re-opened South Suburban line, Cameron Toll, Royal Infirmary, Fort Kinnaird, Newcraighall park and ride station on the Waverley line, and potentially Queen Margaret University and the East Coast Main Line at Musselburgh rail station.
9

Mallory,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 12:47:40
The article above says that trams can carry 20,000 passengers an hour – far more than buses -

So how many trams are required for this? At 300 passengers per tram I make it around 66 sets. And to shift that load would require a tram every minute.

How many will we be getting for the money?

Dishonest statistics will not help to justify the case for trams.



10

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 12:49:12
Call me Mr Suspicious, but I reckon Ace Newshound Roden is just regurgitating a TIE media release, desperately trying to talk up the extra spur via Roseburn. Even though the 'funding package' is already looking distinctly shoogly. Hell mend us.

11

Epicuras,

18/03/2008 13:11:33
it had occured to me to report TIE to the advertising Standards lot as they keep referring the (hated) tram line as a network - anybody fancy making such a complaint and get some more egg thrown on TIE faces over the farce?
12

Annoyingboi,

Emptybra 18/03/2008 13:27:51
Mair crap fae the EEN. They think if they shout loud enough aboot trams we'll all tak heed and accept them. Just watch this space lek, ids gonna be wan hell of a shambles in the toon and there's nae chance that ony o us will see ony ither trams lines in oor lifetime!
13

Trams shams,

18/03/2008 13:36:45
Given that Mr Salmond and the SNP has a good opinion polls lead over the other despots that dreamt this idea up in the first place, I ask on him to call an immediate election to increase his majority in Parliament and vote this monstrous waste of public money out instead of sitting on the fence waiting to say " I told you so! "
14

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 13:44:59
And here I thought we were going to get a good article about re-opening most of Edinburgh's rail network to passenger trains. I hear trains can carry thousands of people and don't get stuck in traffic jams and don't require 3 years of roads being dug up - a bit too sensible for EDC.
15

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/03/2008 13:56:29
You know what ? I give up.
16

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 18/03/2008 14:00:08
#14 Given that Mr Salmond and the SNP has a good opinion polls lead over the other despots that dreamt this idea up in the first place

The 'despots' you describe were praised by Mr MacAskill on behalf of the SNP when he was the SNP Transport spokesman in opposition. He called the project 'visionary'. His comments are available online.
17

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 18/03/2008 14:03:25
#3 ..it is becoming clear the best way to win future funding for this vital link – and further extensions – is to make Edinburgh's first tram line a clear success."

Or possibly for the present Executive to recognise that the City of Edinburgh has received a below national average council settlement for many years and to rectify that situation. My understanding is that Mr Swinney is examining this very issue as I type.
18

Merouane,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 14:27:26
#17. Loki, at first glance, I too thought the trams were a good idea. As the cost and the disruption required for the reduced scale version we're getting became apparent I have changed my mind. Are people not allowed to change their opinion as new information arises?
19

Top Floor,

18/03/2008 14:37:49
#14

SNP increase their majority in parliament ?

They don't have a majority in parliament.

The majority of Scottish people didn't vote for them.
20

Jamie67,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 14:50:13
I cannot comment on the relative costs of the trams but I do know that I am sick and tired of the constant cynicism and un-funny (generally) moaning that takes place on these boards.

Yes, the tram work will cause inconvenience during building work; however, there was similar doubt and concern about cost in Dublin - but now the trams are much loved and a great success.

I also had the joy of travelling by tram in Sheffield last year.

I agree that if we are going to have trams, lets at least do it properly and have the three originally proposed lines as a minimum.
21

Mallory,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 15:23:51
I had the joy of travelling by tram and trolley-bus in Belfast decades ago.

The trolleys were more efficient and much quiter. Of course they still needed overhead cables but a trolley could steer around accidents, roadworks or even broken down trams.

Don't suppose anyone at TIE bothered to do a cost benefit job on them?

22

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 18/03/2008 15:32:08
#17 I think you will find that the change of view was based more on political calculations re possible voting patterns in the approaching election. This led to Swinney coming out with the most outrageous porkies on Newsnight when interviewed by the hapless Brewer. It was the infamous 'costs spiralling out of control' interview.
I make no judgement on the merits or otherwise of a light rail project, just the posturing and dishonesty of many politicians in general.
23

NorT,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 15:49:48
This article is just a ploy by the Council and TIE to try and preserve their jobs. The funding for the trams will run out soon and there will be no more. Statrt looking for jobs now boys.
24

Merouane,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 15:52:02
#25. Ok, you clearly have an insight into MacAskill's motivation that I don't. You are probably correct though, he is a politician after all. However, I feel he came to the right conclusion at the end of the day, whatever the reason.

As for the 'light rail project'... Can you really call it that when so much of it is on-road?
25

Euan,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 17:31:03
Ah well, yet more complete spin and propaganda from TIE etc about their oh-so-lovely trams.

They will stop at NOTHING to try and hoodwink people into thinking this hair-brained project is actually worth the money that SCOTLAND is forking out for it.

The only sensible thing to do with the construction of this tram line is to bring it to a grinding halt right NOW, cut our losses and ensure that Edinburgh can be saved from being carved-up and scarred forever.


26

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18/03/2008 20:41:36
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27

Maxibus,

West End 18/03/2008 23:23:34
#23 I agree about the negative souls in here if we listened to them we would all be still living in mud huts! "Doomed I say doomed". Come on lads the money been spent, contracts signed. canceling it will not save one brass penny.
28

Julian,

EDINBURGH 19/03/2008 00:34:36
Euan,

Another complete waste of a comment on these forums. I'm curious to know how long you will keep calling for this project to be scrapped. Umtil 24/2/11 perhaps?
29

ex-resident,

selby 19/03/2008 09:35:59
Mallory: re trolleybuses, I've been saying this for years, but just as city fathers throughout the land sixty years ago thought they were moving into the future and boldly sweeping away antiquated relics of the past, now trams are where it's at, with reason and cost-benefit standing no chance. They'd be afraid of being laughed at.

Incidentally, amongst other advantages such as acceleration, less noise, and gradients, modern trolleys can not only steer round obstacles, but run for short stretches without wires.

Main point just now though, is that there's no digging.
30

gshughes,

Newcastle upon Tyne 19/03/2008 13:10:16
The money spent (wasted ?) on the trams should have been used to open the south surburban line to passenger traffic first. This could have been done at much less cost and disruption than the trams. Once that had been done an assessment could have been made as to whether further public transport provision was necessary.

 

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