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Published Date: 22 October 2008
FOR decades, the women of Broughty Castle Bowling Club have turned out every Saturday night to prepare an evening meal for the male members of the club – dishing out mince and tatties, steak pies and beef olives with all the trimmings as an unpaid labour of love.
But now the female members have declared war in an unprecedented battle of the sexes and have told the astonished male members of the club that they are sick and tired of being treated like "kitchen slaves".

They have demanded the club either shares the task of preparing and serving the meals across the membership or contract an outside agency to provide the service.

And, in retaliation, the male members of the club have gone on the offensive, sending a letter to all 50 members of the ladies' section, threatening to increase their annual fees from £46 to £87 – 75 per cent of full membership – unless they carry on with their kitchen duties.

Under the current rules, only the 100 male members of the club pay the full £115 annual membership fee. The ladies are designated as associate members and only pay £46 a year.

Betty Baxter, the president of the ladies' section of the club, founded in 1867, said the women had simply had enough of waiting hand and foot on the men at the club.

Mrs Baxter, 73, whose husband Bill is a member at the club on the outskirts of Dundee, said: "The men think a woman's place is in the kitchen – they tell you that. We are slaves to them."

She explained that, for years, it had been a club tradition for members of the women's section to turn up at the club on Saturday nights to prepare an evening meal for the men.

"We don't cook the meals," she said. "They come in hot from a local butcher. We come down and set the tables for 48 men. We ring a bell and the men come in and we serve the food. Then we clear the tables, do all the dishes and tidy up. I don't think they appreciate the work we do.

"We voted at our last meeting not to do the teas any more. The fact is we are all getting too old to do teas. Most of us are retired, pensioners in their 70s and 80s.

"We would like to see the load being spread and the men should take their turn. But I am happy to pay the extra fee and not do any teas at all."

And she claimed: "They (the men] want things to stay as they are but we are rebelling against that. It's going to be war."

Jim Christie, the club vice-president, refused to be drawn on the row. He said: "It would be inappropriate to comment on this as nothing has been decided yet."

But a letter, sent by club officials to the lady members, states: "The committee members are disappointed by the recent decision taken at an AGM of the ladies' section that the ladies will no longer serve meals to men on Saturdays from 2009. Saturday afternoon games are a source of considerable revenue to the club through bar sales.

"Our reputation for hospitality is due in no small part to the ladies' section who do sterling work on behalf of the club."

The letter adds that, in order to "mitigate the damage" the ladies' decision will cause, the club's committee is recommending associate members fees should be set at 75 per cent of the full membership. But ladies who volunteer to continue providing the meals service will stay on the basic £46 fee.

Douglas Reid, the chief executive of the Scottish Bowling Association, the game's main governing body, backed the women last night.

He said: "It is still pretty commonplace in Scottish bowling clubs that the ladies do the teas. But in a lot of clubs there are now equal fees. I feel that, if the ladies are getting on in years, and they want to have break … then quite rightly so. I see no reason why the guys can't do the teas as well."

Mr Reid added that his association was already involved in detailed discussions with the Scottish Women's Bowling Association to bring in an equality and ethical policy and to have "equality across the board".

Broughty Ferry resident Mary Henderson, who is an active member of Engender, an organisation for women's rights, said: "Effectively, the women are being paid to look after the kitchen so it should be up to each individual to decide what they want to do. I don't think it is something that needs to be decided as a group."

Broughty Ferry councillor Derek Scott said: "I take part in a number of social events and I'm always perfectly happy to roll up my sleeves and get to work in the kitchen.

"In saying that, I think it's a matter for the club. I hope they can resolve the issue amicably and that everyone can get back to enjoying their bowling."

WHAT NEXT

A NEW Single Equality Act, aimed at updating and harmonising existing anti-discrimination and equality legislation, is expected to be introduced by the government in the spring of next year.

Issues to be addressed include moves to stop golf clubs from treating women as second-class members.

Under the proposed legislation, private clubs will be banned from discriminating between members on grounds of gender. The move could end the practice of having separate bars for male and female members, or golf or other sporting clubs allowing ladies to play only on some days or at particular times.

It is thought likely to apply only to equal treatment of a club's members, so women's football teams will not be forced to admit men.

The act will also tackle the problem of elderly people being refused credit cards and loans.

It is also hoped that it will help end other inequalities, such as the gender pay gap.






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  • Last Updated: 21 October 2008 10:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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22/10/2008 00:07:01
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 22/10/2008 01:36:47
why should the fees be less than the mens, pay someone to serve the meal and put the ladies fees up to the same as the mens to pay for it.
equality should work both ways
3

Scullion,

Canada 22/10/2008 01:48:11
Why did it take these women to reach their 70's and 80's before revolting? As my mother used to say, "There'd be nae daft laddies if there were nae daft lassies."
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somerferg,

perth 22/10/2008 02:26:12

Yes Scullion or as my gran used to say "for every daft jock there is a daft jenny"! Tell them to feed themselves I'm sure they would figure it out as soon as they got hungry.
5

Guga II,

Rockall 22/10/2008 05:58:14
#2 Roofarse Blowfly/bring them on.

Have you been talking to the aliens again?

6

Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 22/10/2008 06:00:34
T.A.N.S.T.A.F.L.
Or for those who haven't read Heinlein "There's no such thing as a free lunch"
Took them a while to figure it out though.
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Guga II,

Rockall 22/10/2008 06:20:01
#8.

Never mind Heinlein, try Malcolm Fraser.
8

Beth Boyle,

NY 22/10/2008 06:31:54
Considering the ladies are mostly older I say stop making them prepare the teas. Why not have family memberships so if there is a couple there is a discount and leave it at that.
9

Burke,

Hong Kong 22/10/2008 07:08:06
It is important to get younger players to the game to refresh and share the load. I fear there was no succession planning here.
RE: 8. Stewart in Oz - was the anacronym not T.I.N.S.T.A.A.F.L. from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe by Douglas Adams?
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aljok.23,

the world 22/10/2008 07:35:11
listen, cut the shenanigans and get intae that kitchen and get the dinner made ,wummin.
11

D. Mclean,

Thailand 22/10/2008 07:40:09
Tut Tut, The Scotsman. A better headline would have been "Women say Bowls to that"
12

McMillar,

Fife 22/10/2008 07:41:03
Some play the game to win while others say what game? Seems the men have gone too far here and they would best standing down very quickly and helping out.
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Dave,

Western Isles 22/10/2008 07:42:05
Ach that seems fair to me. After all, we do live in the 21st century.

So, if the boys don't wanna help with the cooking and the lassies don't want to do it either and everybody wants equal privelages, everybody pays the same price for membership.

Once they outsource the cooking, membership fee's will have to go up for everybody or the club will collapse.

Now that's equality!
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mollie3,

Lochgilphead 22/10/2008 07:44:38
What will happen is that the men will take over the slavery and make a terrible mess of it(on purpose of course), and I bet by Christmas the women will be back in charge. Scotland is delightfully old fashioned.....
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Dave,

Western Isles 22/10/2008 07:47:21
Men cannae multi-task (so we have been told even though the worlds top and best chefs are all men) so of course they will make a mess of it!
16

The Glasgow Ranger,

Glasgow 22/10/2008 08:03:11
Hardly worthy of being a headline item?
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Jollybeggar,

Beith 22/10/2008 08:11:56
Pity it couldn't have been solved quietly and sensibly. I recall Dalmellington Bowling Club where a similar fiasco occurred and the majority of the ladies left for pastures green. The village and bowling club are still suffering more than 10 years later. The men (and women) need to come to a sensible resolution or the club itself will be in danger. Ask folk in Dalmellington!
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Gdgy,

dundy 22/10/2008 08:20:14
Eminently sensible.....equal chores and equal fees ...if access to facilities is the same?....
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Greens,

22/10/2008 08:23:00
Quiet day for news then.
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Dave,

Western Isles 22/10/2008 08:27:38
According to the article, they don't actually cook the meals as they come already hot from the butchers.

What they do is go in the night before and set the tables. The next day, they ring a bell when the food is ready and the men eat. Once done, they clear away everything.

I think even the men can do that and Rules has made a sensible suggestion and the boys of this club should take heed.
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Guga II,

Rockall 22/10/2008 08:31:22
That's what we get for giving them the vote.

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donald,

glasgow 22/10/2008 08:35:26
Sounds like a Trade Union meeting of elderly white males, or died Labour MPs propped up so as no one would notice.
23

Highland Mist,

22/10/2008 08:35:46
Thanks for giving me the best laugh of the day! Someone should send this to a Hollywood producer - they'd make a movie out of it. Can you follow up the story please and let us know what the outcome is - any divorces, malnutrition, starvation, old guys turning into would-be Jamie Olivers, etc?
24

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22/10/2008 08:39:42
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scottish person,

paisley 22/10/2008 08:53:38
Bring them on.
Where is your bum chum charles on this one.
You make us all sick with your constsnt nonsense.
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Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 22/10/2008 09:02:47
This is the sort of garbage for which Charles Linskaill should reserve his nonsensical comments: and he's nowhere to be seen!
Bet you he's contributing gibberish somewhere else to a serious story that he has absolutely no idea about...
27

Boy Wonder,

22/10/2008 09:07:37
Hardly a front-page story ... but the women are in the right anyway.

I think Chuckles Linskaill and "bring them on" are one and the same, btw!
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 09:21:56
Women, know your place !

Seriously though the old 'buffeters' who were getting their beef olives and the pies sound like they will be on the floor with a cardiac arrest shortly ... it is not a regime that would have lasted for long anyway !?
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Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 22/10/2008 09:24:32
#31 - not too sure about that: "bring them on" does actually seem to have a point, and he makes it articulately....
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Brendan,

22/10/2008 09:25:22
If "Associate members" truly wish equality, they should pay full fees.

The "associate" members currently lay the tables one night a week.

Do they currently run and stock the bar, maintain the green and surrounds, organise functions and club maintenance?

The whole concept of being a "Club" member is to take part and be part of the club. If you are unwilling to play your part, what is the point in joining a club.

£46 a year - that's less than a pound a week; and you no doubt get to play any afternoon free of charge. Take part in club functions in a heated hall with bar, tea etc.

I'd imagine there are currently more than 4 "associate" members so laying 12 place settings once in a blue moon is hardly tasking.

Put everyone on full fees - share the table setting chores amongst all members and get the current "associate" members working the bar, green, club maintenance etc - then wait to see the complaints.
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Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 22/10/2008 09:26:41
#31, Apologies: just read first comment from "bring them on", at #2. Shades of Charles Linskaill there, after all!!!
32

AJ Fife,

22/10/2008 09:36:06
What a shame, the lady bowlers are going to 'jack' it in!

Sorry 'bout that.......
33

AJ Fife,

22/10/2008 09:38:18
Boy Wonder,

I always thought BTO was the DYW!

34

It's me!,

22/10/2008 09:47:52
Why do women have smaller feet than men?

So they can get closer to the kitchen sink.
35

Cheradenine,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 09:59:07
#2 You ever been to Broughty Ferry? Although Dundee East is a Nat seat I imagine that most of them vote Tory.
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Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 10:04:57
The ladies should just walk away. Leave the old duffers to feed themselves.
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Lauren C.,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 10:11:28
They are only allowed associate membership because they are only allowed to play at certain times of the day - off peak in other words.

Hence off-peak prices !

From experience, I'm sure the women would rather pay the same and be allowed on the green in the evenings and at weekends !

With regard to the ritual of making the men's tea every saturday (and the rest) - tell them to "shove it"
This is the 21st century !!!
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cataibh,

Over the Struie 22/10/2008 10:46:27
Any bowling club member who read the article will know that women run the bowling clubs. They raise the funds and they make sure that they have the finale say how the club is run. At times our women club members just show their superiority and our male members back down.
Why? because without them our club would require the tax payers to bail is out.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 22/10/2008 10:51:45
Women should know their place - in the kitchen; since their emancipation the world has gone to hell in a handbasket.
40

long live the supermarkets,

every little hurts 22/10/2008 10:52:22
#1Whats a booler?
I'm a bloke and i do all the cooking in our house,i choose from a extensive menu, cheese on toast,beans on toast,boiled eggs,bacon rolls,jam sandwiches,pie and beans, these are all but a few its easy when you have the cooking skills.
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WKKB,

22/10/2008 11:03:01
"We don't cook the meals," she said. "They come in hot from a local butcher. We come down and set the tables for 48 men. We ring a bell and the men come in and we serve the food. Then we clear the tables, do all the dishes and tidy up. I don't think they appreciate the work we do.!

So... these men expect ladies of this age (70's and 80's) to set the tables, wait on them hand and foot and then do all the dishes and tidying up? SHAME ON THE MEN! Sounds a little Chauvinist to me. Typical!

If these ladies have decided they don't want to any longer there must be a reaon... maybe they're just getting more weary at their ages so why can't they just stop?

I suspect few men really appreciate what women put up with and do for them. Give these wee ladies a break.



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Green,

G;lasgow 22/10/2008 11:06:48
Well done Mary Henderson! Engender is an excellent organisation.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/10/2008 11:14:24
AJ Fife and Boy Wonder

Your "conspiracy theories" are alluring but why does not Charles Linskaill make a definitive and truthful statement about whether he and his DYW - or the both of them - are posting under different aliases.

All of Scotland and England AND Wales are waiting breathlessly for this profound announcement.

As for those antediluvian men on the bowling league.

They are dinosaurs and should get with the times. Womens are no longer slaves to be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen - 'thoughin this case the valian women are LONG past having children - and these fussy, funny, deluded old men shold get with the programme and have a "division of labour".

Since when are women second-class in this world?

Maybe in Muslim countries - YECCCH! - where they are treated like chattels and used and abused with the backing and support of the imams and governments.

But England and Scotland and Wales are NOT Muslim countries and these men should pitch in and help the lovely ladies or it will be like a play by Lysistrata where the women withdrew their sexual favours until they got what they wanted from the men.

But in this case, the men are probably trading stories about Viagra and other "potency potions" and ogling the young female helpers who aid the glorious and long-suffering women.

DOWN WITH THOSE MCPs(MALE CHAUVINIST PIGS) on the lawn bowling team!

The nation pauses as the eventual outcome of this global crisis is worked out.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 22/10/2008 11:27:29
A lot of people talking about how this is the 21st century. Ah yes, but it's a 19th century game remember!
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Thistledhu,

fife 22/10/2008 11:33:30
Shocking!!!! the club ladies no longer serving dinner.

Next thing they will be wanting is the vote and (god forbid) the driveing licence.
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LynnGGG,

22/10/2008 11:48:50
I just can't read this without being reminded of Mosspark Bowling Club from Chewin' The Fat.
Chuckle.

Hardly headline news, is it?
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Run Aberdeen,

Aberdeen 22/10/2008 12:01:18
Feminism has finally arrived in the Ferry! And not before time.

In 1975 the girls of Grove Academy, Brought Ferry claimed the right to wear trousers to school under the new sex equality legislation....we made the newspapers and the radio but we did not get to wear trousers.
48

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 22/10/2008 12:19:24
#51 Women don't need trousers. They should occupy themselves hoovering the home and making meals. Better for everybody.
49

Matt there,

Somewhere 22/10/2008 12:39:32
Full membership fees for all! Equality!
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E. Smith,

Texas 22/10/2008 12:41:43
Hasn't this club heard of buffet lines? Everyone serves him or herself, and then all take turns clearing the tables. Problem solved.
51

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/10/2008 12:46:46
54 E. Smith

BUT the women will be expected to do the dishes and smile as they slave away while the men have brandies and cigars and talk absolute piffle.
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forbietwo,

22/10/2008 12:49:51
no no Bring them On is not Charles, the grammatical syntax is all wrong but hey I always reckoned Boy Wonder is doubling up as Charles - especially when he (if its a 'he')- contradicts Charles postings.

By the way where is Charles and has his DYW had her autumn event yet?

The men on the bowling green - tell 'em to shove it and by the way the idea that they enter the dining room when a bell is rung smacks somewhat of pavlovas dog. The ladies should be really smart and invent another trick the men can perform when they hear the tinkle of that bell.
53

AJ Fife,

22/10/2008 13:12:01
#56,

Oops, my mistake; I was getting mixed up with a poster called Bring Them Off!
54

Can-Scot,

Pickering, Ontario 22/10/2008 13:30:08
C'mon guys. You must admit it's a heck of a deal.

Where else do you get to pay 46 quid for the privilege
of being a skivvy in somebody else's kitchen????

SHIRKERS OF THE WORLD - UNITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

55

RSBuff,

The US of A 22/10/2008 13:44:28
#12 Good call... It was a recurring lesson from any story that contained Lazarus Long, but I think I first came across it in Heinlein's "Glory Road." Now there's a story that could be a movie!

Anyway, well done, Ladies! I bet you all those old codgers are still harrumphing, but I'd expect you to pay full membership dues. The increase in the coffer might just pay for a catered affair.
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nolimits,

High Level AB, Canada 22/10/2008 14:21:05
Heh! If I'd told my wife that, she'd tell me to make my own (&%$%^^) supper!
Good on the ladies! Those pompous old farts.
57

Micjonger,

22/10/2008 14:32:51
LADIES - Forget the tables.
Do a GO SLOW and gie the old buffers a packet o crisps and a vimto between two until they come to their senses.
58

Toddy,

Macmerry 22/10/2008 15:23:37
Broughty Ferry really are pretty far behind the times. Women at my Club were given equal rights and all became full members over 10 years ago. The associate membership class was closed and now all members run the Club. It has worked pretty well and all the catering is done by outside caterers. Not least of all it helps with keeping the paperwork down as there are to many health and safety regulations relating to food and the preparing and serving of to worry about.
59

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 22/10/2008 15:31:20
Come on guys! We need to put these women in their place. They should be doing the cooking and making a nice dinner while we get on with the real business. That will make them happy and us happy.
60

Mcsnagpile,

22/10/2008 15:35:53
Aye, they should get the butcher to arrange some chirpy lassies tae do the tea instead of a load of grumpy old fossils. It might put a bit of life into yer sciatica.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 22/10/2008 15:52:06
Pay the extra membership fees ladies.... it will be worth it and you'll probably enjoy your bowls more without having to be 'wee slaveys' in the kitchen. You can get that at home!

With the extra money they can get someone else to clear up the pots and make the tea. Or just do it themselves, now that would sort the men from the boys!
62

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 22/10/2008 15:57:38
#64 Damned straight.
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AJ Fife,

22/10/2008 16:02:20
#64,

Too true - oot wi' the auld and in wi' the new!
64

It's life but not as we know it,

The Ooort Clouds 22/10/2008 16:07:29
#68 I doubt many men would notice an 80 year old battle axe "withrawing conjugal rights".
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Joanna,

22/10/2008 16:08:37
Joe,Nile Grove 22/10/2008 16:04:22
"Most of us are retired, pensioners in their 70s and 80s."
How about withdrawal of conjugal rights?"

How about threatening to reinstate them. There'll be a queue down at the chemist :))
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Russell339,

22/10/2008 17:13:38
A very simple solution here..... either the women continue to serve the dinner and be associate members, or they pay full membership rates and are allowed to use the club whenever they like and not have to serve dinner. End of problem.
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Tris,

22/10/2008 19:13:11
71.... Good common sense.
68

Dave,

Western Isles 22/10/2008 19:27:47
Joanna @70

Classic lass! Good comment! ;-)
69

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 22/10/2008 20:04:30
The men are busy beating other clubs; the least the women can do is cook the food. Pure selfish-ness on their part.
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Josiecamp,

San Francisco 22/10/2008 20:54:51
Good for them! Women here refused to be house chattels forty years ago. Good to hear that the OLD country is trying to catch up to the rest of the world.
71

Conan the Librarian™,

22/10/2008 22:13:18
75
I'm looking for a good antique house chattel; is there a market in San Francisco?
72

The ex Pat,

22/10/2008 23:43:11
Is nothing going to be left?

Good God it will be cricket teas next.

Time men took a stand
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Conan the Librarian™,

22/10/2008 23:51:01
77
Cricket teas?

You must be English.

Or likes to eat crickets.
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celtic4,

USA 23/10/2008 00:43:57
A sport is a sport. Bowling is a sport. Why have the tea at all? Just eat in your own homes and then go bowling. Who wants to bowl after just eating anyway????

And demanding full membership if the women stop cleaning up, smacks of blackmail to me! Ladies, do not fall for this! Make the men share. Men are great cooks!
And can be great at dishwashing and tidying up as well.
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celtic4,

USA 23/10/2008 00:44:01
A sport is a sport. Bowling is a sport. Why have the tea at all? Just eat in your own homes and then go bowling. Who wants to bowl after just eating anyway????

And demanding full membership if the women stop cleaning up, smacks of blackmail to me! Ladies, do not fall for this! Make the men share. Men are great cooks!
And can be great at dishwashing and tidying up as well.
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JackQuinn,

Santa Clarita 23/10/2008 07:00:42
There are two separate issues here. One is the serving of the meal & cleanup afterward, and the other issue is that of the dues. These two issues should not be linked.

The dinner situation should be solvable by letting the women continue to set up and serve the dinner, to both the men and the women. There is no valid reason why only he men should be eating. And, following the dinner, the men should clean things up, including doing the dishes. That is the way my wife and I handle it at our home when we have company for dinner.

For the dues issue, equality should be maintained, both in dues and in participation in the games. Our lawn bowls club charges full fare for any member, male or female, who is an active bowler. There is no break for spousal couples who bowl. We have no separation of the sexes during our regular club bowling, or during our visitation games with other clubs in southern California. We do have an Associate Member category for those who cannot, or do not bowl, but who want to participate in the social activities of our club. Often, an Associate Member is the non-bowling spouse of an active bowler - but not always. We have several single Associate Members, including former active bowlers who can no longer participate in the games. Our annual dues for an Associate member is about 20% of the dues for an active bowler.
77

Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 23/10/2008 12:51:43
#9.
Malcolm said if I remember correctly that "Life wasn't meant to be easy" and for someone who lost his trousers (strides) in a motel, he would know.
11# 12#
Actually I got it wrong. T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" was definitely by Heinlein in 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' © 1966, Book 3,Chapter 23.
It seems that 'The Guide' was a radio series on the BBC 1977 before it was made into a film etc., however it is unlikely that Douglas Adams would have used the 'Americanism, "ain't"' so you are probably correct with "isn't".

 

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