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Published Date: 10 July 2009
GORDON Brown yesterday said Britain was ready to negotiate reductions to its Trident nuclear arsenal, as he responded to Barack Obama's call for a defence summit to be held in Washington next spring.
The Prime Minister said he would outline a framework for a deal next year that would see Britain's nuclear capability reduced, a move that would affect the Trident missiles based at Faslane on the Clyde.

At the G8 summit in Italy, leaders of the world's major economic powers agreed to the US president's proposal for a Washington meeting.

Mr Brown's comments followed America and Russia's agreement to reduce their stockpile of nuclear weapons, in a deal that reflects the thawing of their recent tense relations.

The US and Russia have agreed a "joint understanding" that would see the countries – which between them possess 95 per cent of the world's nuclear firepower – cut the number of warheads to about 1,500 from current levels above 2,200.

The new arrangements to be tabled by Britain over the next few days could see the onus put on states such as Iran and North Korea, which are suspected of seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, to prove that they are not doing so.

The Prime Minister stressed that the UK would not abandon its 160-warhead Trident arsenal unilaterally, or scrap plans to replace the fleet of submarines, which act as its platform.

He hailed a "strong" show of solidarity from G8 leaders in Britain's row with Iran over a detained embassy employee, and thanked them for issuing a communiqué demanding that Tehran allow embassies to exercise their functions "without arbitrary restrictions on or intimidation of their staff".

The document also voiced concern over Iran's nuclear ambitions, which Tehran insists are limited to energy, but are widely thought to be directed at developing a weapons capacity.

Mr Brown said: "We pushed for a very strong statement on Iran, and this is a strong statement from the whole of the G8. I am grateful for the solidarity of the other leaders.

"Iran is attempting to build a nuclear weapon. North Korea is attempting to build a nuclear weapon. We have got to show we can deal with this by collective action.

"What we need is collective action by the nuclear weapons powers to say that we are prepared to reduce our nuclear weapons, but we need assurances also that other countries will not proliferate them."

It is not yet clear which states will be invited to the Washington summit, though Mr Brown clearly expects Britain to be there. His offer to put Trident on the table as part of a multilateral arms reduction negotiation was first made in a speech in March.

G8 leaders yesterday also agreed to seek measures to limit global warming to 2C, but failed to seal a deal on reductions in greenhouse gases. The declaration is the first time the US, China and India have all put their names to such a target.









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1

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09/07/2009 22:24:51
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 10/07/2009 00:13:25
Just like Blair was Bush's Poodle, it looks like Maggie Brown will do anything to get a pat on the head from Obama.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 10/07/2009 00:13:26
There simply shouldn't be any ! Especially on the Clyde...
And Brown better face facts, britain is broke and cannot afford them anyway.
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10/07/2009 00:39:11
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

10/07/2009 01:12:05
Unless O'Bampot is planning to obliterate the Commies in a bizzare war of Nuclear Attrition, while hidding safelly in his Furherbunker as his country burns...Whythefeck does he need 1,500 Big Bombs?

It is not in dispute that Broon Tabbard badly needs a pennis extention...but I fail to see why we should pay for it.

Send these MADmen to the loony bin NOW!
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MadJockMacMad,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 01:12:23
SCOTLAND DOES NOT WANT OR NEED NUCLEAR WEAPONS
end of.
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Alan B,

10/07/2009 01:19:32
Funny now that Brown is offering to slash nuclear that there is no headline and labour mps taking of tens of thousands of jobs being lost.
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Marga,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 01:23:01
Also a bit unusual that the British parliament has to listen to this announcement being made from abroad, surely?
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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

10/07/2009 01:30:29
MadJockMacMad,
How would you like to live in a nuclear-free, independent Scotland right above a disgruntled, nuclear-armed England?

You must have much more faith in Scotland's primordial enemy than I do. Frankly, I wouldn't trust them with a nuclear arsenal any more than I would trust the local mufti with a bucket of ammonium nitrate.
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 01:34:28
Gordon takes the right decision at the right time.

No panic buttons pressed.
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Alan B,

10/07/2009 01:49:03
#Pretzel

"Gordon takes the right decision at the right time"

Even if that was true (which is a joke anyway as it is because of the US and Russian deal the other day), it would be a first, given the fact that for 10 yrs his economic decision making was dreadful, making him one of the most incompetent chancellors ever.
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 01:53:26
#12

He is better suited to the PM role than the Chancellor, I agree.
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Alan B,

10/07/2009 02:08:59
#Pretzel

Are you suggesting he can do less damage as PM that Chancellor?

To a large extent the damage from brown has been done and we will all suffer as a result.

The biggest problem with him being PM is he is too busy trying to cover his mistakes as chancellor, and makes him abit of a lame duck PM.

Although as you indicate being a lame duck PM is probably less damaging than a completely incompetent chancellor given the mass unemployment and massive debt etc.




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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 02:10:30
#14

Once the debt is repaid there will be fruit in the garden once again
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Am Fògarrach,

10/07/2009 03:08:07
15

A brilliant insight, Rufus. Very unlike you.
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 03:16:27
Gordon has planted the seeds.
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10/07/2009 03:23:08
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 03:28:06
Someone once said the following on here.

"Why do we need Trident? The only thing of value to a potential attacker we have is Trident.

Should we keep it to defend against the "Trident Raiders?"

He was a morning drinker, mind you
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Dunnie,

Canada 10/07/2009 04:07:02

Trident is Britain's last pretence at being of some influence in world affairs.

Once the Tridents are done away with, the United Kingdom will dissolve into its inherent petty fiefdoms.

Taken separately and all together, they will resemble the largest "amusement" park in the world.

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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

10/07/2009 04:36:54
"The only thing of value to a potential attacker we have is Trident."

So, why on Earth were Edward I of England, Henry VIII of England, Oliver Cromwell, the genocidal George II and his patently mad son, Butcher Cumberland, (all English, incidentally), all so eager to dominate Scotland if the only thing of value that we have didn't exist for another two-hundred and thirty years, at least?

Time for a wee bit of perspective, Pretzel! (Rufus)?

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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 04:38:15
#21

They were ahead of their time
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 10/07/2009 04:39:42
england cannot afford it without SCOTLAND.AND WE DO NOT WANT IT, SO GOODBYE.Bring on the REFERENDUM ON INDEPENDENCE SO THAT WE SCOTS DO NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ANY MORE OF THIS british/unionist jargon and BS. ROLL ON INDEPENDENCE DAY, and by the way it is going, thanks to brown,NEXT YEAR WE WILL BE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 04:55:56
I see that Primark white socks sales were 30% up on last year for the first six months.

Who is buying them and why?
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Vaward,

10/07/2009 05:22:08
#21 Liber Respublica de Scotia

History isn't your strong point, eh?

I think you'll find it was Scotland whom attacked England far more often than not. And remember it was the Scots, along with their Irish allies, that tried to destroy England in its infancy at the Battle of Brunanburh in 937AD.

Being the loser nation doesn't mean that you're necessarily innocent.



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Vaward,

10/07/2009 05:30:18
#23

lol

GDP of Scotland - give or take - is $170 billion. GDP of the UK is is about $2.6 trillion. You do the math. If you think that England needs Scotland, then you're totally barking.
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 05:35:08
#26

Even less if you take the white socks revenue out of the equation
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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

10/07/2009 05:53:11
Pretzel,
Well, in that case, they must be either turning in their graves; or languishing in torment in valhalla, purgatory, hell, or where ever their current vantage point is, at the knowledge that the demise of their foreseen union is nigh.

This must certainly be true if they can view the current poll results on the question of independence, and the advances in geo-politics that have taken place since their mortal departures; from where ever they currently dwell!

Vaward,
With some very simple research, you will discover that Scotland was attacked by English aggressors long before the year of 937 AD that you have quoted. Read up about the story of our great saltire, and the battle of 832 AD that our valliant King Angus led against the sassenach invaders - hence engendering our glorious national emblem, the saltire of St Andrew.

History, contrary to your assertion, is a tremendous source of strength for we Scots!

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steve 1511,

aberdeen 10/07/2009 05:56:10
brown as much use to britian a a nodding dog in the back window of a car,scary that this gibbering eejit has access to nuclear weapons
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 06:00:13
#29

Salmond is about as much use as a corkscrew at a Beer Festival
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donald,

glasgow 10/07/2009 06:06:26
And I thocht the point of building WMD was just to bring employment to Scotland.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 10/07/2009 06:17:05
#26
england is 86 million. SCOTLAND is on a good day 6.2 Million DO THE MATH WE SUPPLY THE POWER!!! englang IS BUST. However if you wish to BUY POWER FROM SCOTLAND I AM SURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A GOOD DEAL. INDEPENDENCE AT ALL COSTS. Oh and have a nice day,englander!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Vaward,

10/07/2009 06:17:31
#28

No offence, Liber, but you don't have a clue who Angus was or indeed if any of that took place at all. And from your original post, I'd suggest that it's mythology - rather than history as you suggest - that is a source of strength for people like yourself.

; )
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 06:27:20
Liber

I remember studying about King Angus at rehab.

A wee guy with red hair who liked mussels.
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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

10/07/2009 06:33:37
Vaward,
Okay! Don't research it then. You please yourself about that! However, if there is any accounting for salient facts whatsoever, we should be able to agree, mutually, that the viability of your clearly beloved union is becoming more and more tenuous with the results of every passing poll.

Like adults, we can agree to disagree about the past, but there is little doubt as to the direction that our relative countries, (and, it is clear to me where your origins lie), are taking. So, in the spirit of co-operation, why not settle on a resolution to be content with our own backyards, and leave eachother in peace to prosper on our own merits?
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 07:01:56
History?

The "Scots" came from Ireland.

Scoti or Scotti was the generic Latin name used by the Romans to describe those who sailed from Ireland to conduct raids on Roman Britain.[1] It was thus synonymous with the modern term Gaels. It is not believed that any Gaelic groups called themselves Scoti in ancient times, except when referring to themselves in Latin[1].

In the 400s, these raiders established the kingdom of Dál Riata in the Highlands. As this kingdom expanded in size and influence, the name was applied to all its subjects – hence the modern terms Scot, Scottish and Scotland.

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Phil C,

10/07/2009 07:06:54
OMG, Brown's taking a step in the right direction!
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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

10/07/2009 07:14:40
Pretzel,
So? The English came from Germany. What's your point?
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 07:15:09
#38

You really should try to keep up....
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 07:16:26
"We'll make cuts in Trident because I've bankrupted the country" says Comrade Broon while begging the G8 for more money!!
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 07:16:27
#39

My point is as made.

Do you need to make another point for every point you make?

I don't think so.......
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Malaclypse the Younger,

10/07/2009 07:18:19

Sensible, cost-cutting move.

Clear signal that the next generation of bombers will be 8-12 missiles per boat, rather than 16.

Getting away with 3 boats rather than 4 would be nice too, although I still have doubts whether that would be possible.
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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

10/07/2009 07:30:11
Rulesbutnotrulers,
Is England a nation? Is Wales? Is Ireland, France, Italy, New Zealand, Australia, The USA? Ah, now there's a good example to draw upon. Is the USA "not a nation" simply because the landscape hasn't been occupied by Europeans, with quasi-European legal and political institutions, for more than a few hundred years? I would love to see you insinuate to a group of US Marines on leave from duty in Butterworth, Malaysia, that the USA is not a nation.

Better yet, visit the Naskapi people on their reservation in Montana, USA, and tell them that they're not a nation because there is no anthropological evidence to ascertain the duration of their inhabitation of that region.

Perhaps there will be a beneficent nurse in the local hospital who will lend you a notebook so you can keep us all up to speed with your recovery!
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Lianachan,

Highlands 10/07/2009 07:33:05
#25 History's clearly not your strong point either! I was going like the chorus from the "Laughing Policeman" song when I read your post.
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 07:36:04
#45

How does that go?
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Lianachan,

Highlands 10/07/2009 07:39:14
#36 You'll find, though, that historians don't consider the terms Britons and Picts to be as interchangeable as you'd like. Sure, Picts were indigenous to parts of the area that's now Scotland, but they and "the Britons" were different people. The strongest, and longest surviving, home for Britons in (modern) Scotland was Strathclyde.
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 07:43:14
#47

Is that why there are still so many policemen there to this day?
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Pretzel Logic,

10/07/2009 07:43:40
Some not laughing, mind you.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

10/07/2009 07:44:59
“The Prime Minister said he would outline a framework for a deal next year that would see Britain's nuclear capability reduced, a move that would affect the Trident missiles based at Faslane on the Clyde.”

Will this “deal” be announced before or after the forthcoming Westminster general election?
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 08:01:23
A great result for Scotland and for public opinion here.
It also is another chance to put clear water between Brown & Cameron and Gordon has very few points to argue. A lot of English people are against Trident and money is short as well.

A good decision even if made for the wrong reason.
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 08:03:45
dunedin bully wee 1877

It will only be announced after the election it is one of a list of things Labour say they will do but without commitment. When we see the list we can all decide not to believe them but the concession is a start.
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10/07/2009 08:07:03
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 08:20:13
Scrap Trident - nuclear armed cruise missiles in Attack Submarines would provide an adequate deterrent if England must have nuclear weapons.

Why do we have to hide ongland's deterrents base facilities up sea lochs in Scotland?

I am unaware of the equivalent US bases being hidden in remote areas so what's wrong with basing England's ones in somewhwere more southern like the Thames.

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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 08:24:15
It doesn't matter how many warheads Brown agrees to scrap, as long as we have one warhead left we will need our fleet of Trident submarines to carry it around.
So no need for the "11,000 jobs lost" brigade to rush into print.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 08:25:42
Will Jacqui Baillie quit New Labour Sleaze in protest at the loss of the 20,000+ jobs she claims are at stake??

Bet you she says nothing!!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/07/2009 08:29:42
We couldn't afford it in any case. Everyone knows that.
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 08:36:15
56 Jimmy Le Pie,

Jacqui will need to join the Tories, after all this is such a big thing to her supporters
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The Strategist,

10/07/2009 09:12:51
I read that the Dept of Climate Change and Industry Destruction in Londinium has also decided to outlaw oil based central heating by imposing additional taxation on the oil itself.

Another union dividend......
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

10/07/2009 09:17:28
The whole concept of a “UK nuclear deterrent” reminds me of the story of the old guy who used to spread peanuts along the pavement outside his home.
When asked why he did this, he replied that “It keeps the elephants away!”
He went on to say “Well, it works doesn’t it, have you ever seen any elephants in this street?”

When Cameron becomes the PM he can move these submarines and their missiles to one of his MP’s moats where they can be hidden behind one of the duck houses.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 09:25:10
And while Comrade Broon waffles a load of drivel at the G8 in Italy another 2 soldiers are killed in Afghanistan bringing the total to 9 in 9 days.

What an utter waste!
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

10/07/2009 09:37:56
63 Jimmy Le Pie

“What an utter waste!”

Quite so.

Dulce et decorum est pro opium mori .
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 09:42:33
#64 Bully,

This corrupt, lying, deceitful government know nothing of honour!!
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Malaclypse the Younger,

10/07/2009 09:47:49
54

"I am unaware of the equivalent US bases being hidden in remote areas"

I think you're just unaware of where the US bases are. Or the Russian ones.

It's nothing to do with being "remote", it's do with deep, sheltered water and having easy access to the bits of water you want to get to.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

10/07/2009 09:48:17
65 Jimmy Le Pie

Read my “mis-quote” carefully.

I am agreeing with you.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 09:59:14
#67 Bully,

I did and I was agreeing with you!! ;-)
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Lianachan,

Highlands 10/07/2009 10:09:40
I'm wondering exactly who Britain is "ready to negotiate" with? Is Brown still labouring under the misapprehension that Britania still rules the waves, and that Great Britain is still a global power?
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 10:18:04

Let's get out of Afghanistanand use the trooops at home to stop the Yobs. They are looking for a needle in a haystack.
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 10:34:28
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TWC

"Let's get out of Afghanistanand use the trooops at home to stop the Yobs. They are looking for a needle in a haystack."

If "the Yobs" really are looking for a needle in a haystack, surely this is a harmless enough activity. Why would you want the "trooops" to stop them?

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les vegas,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 11:13:15
Much as I hate to say it, once Scotland becomes independent, how long do you think it will take the Russkies to move in and take over? Gets them that little bit closer to the Yanks.... Just a thought.
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Number 6,

Germany 10/07/2009 11:15:10
Start by getting rid of all the weapons in Scotland.

What you do with those in "South Britain" is your concern, until the next General election of course.

Better get a move on Calamity.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 11:27:27
I see from the Daily Mash that a new phone number has been set up exclusively for New Labour Sleaze Party members to access the NHS!!

"NEW EMERGENCY NUMBER FOR HALFWITS
THE department of health last night unveiled a non-emergency alternative to 999 for the thousands of people who call in everyday to say their leg feels funny.
At this point you may require treatmentThe 111 number, chosen to match the numeracy level of its most likely users, will be manned by professional operatives who will use small words to explain why no-one is going to come to your house because your knee is making that weird clicky noise again."

http://tiny.cc/pNk5o
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 11:29:18
#72 Les

Try and remember the number - 111, it's especially for you and your kind!
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 11:35:46
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les vegas

"...Just a thought."

Such silliness does not deserve to be glorified by being called a thought.

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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 10/07/2009 11:39:09
#69
Very good point. I think if they approached Russia the response might be shock and genuine surprise that Britain is still a nuclear power. However, I think they would pat Maggie Brown on the head and tell him that his "deterrence" is irrelevant and probably has been for 20-years.

Seriously, what UK PM is ever going to give the order to fire them - and against WHO??. They would NEVER fire against the Middle East with the dependence on the Oil Fields. That leaves N.Korea. Are we spending 100's of BILLIONS to defend ourselves against N.Korea?? If we are, then it means, like Osama Bin Laden, they have already won.
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 11:45:29
71 Electric Hermit,10

ok my Grammar was bad, but are you having fun or were you disrupting the train of thought that people do not want our troops on Afghanistan?
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 11:48:24
77 For Scotlands Future

I believe that Trident is not that relevant when compared with Russia and America, it's a token; a dangerous and expensive token; but a token never-the-less.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 12:01:30
So instead of Trident being ''completely useless' as the Generals say, it is going to be ''just a tad less useless because we won't have so many of them as Brown has nearly bankrupted the country'' then. I think I'll stick to ''completely useless''.
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 12:19:59
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TWC

"ok my Grammar was bad, but are you having fun or were you disrupting the train of thought that people do not want our troops on Afghanistan?"

Just a bit of fun. I actually agree that UK troops should not be in Afghanistan. Not sure how widespread that view is, however.

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Tris,

10/07/2009 12:21:17
#15 True. Roll on 2065.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 12:35:37
How many Nova Albions are there - and each seems more bonkers than the last.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 12:38:05
#84

For 50+ years we've been told the threat was the USSR. Even though there were moments of high tension, nothing ever happened.

Now you think we need nuclear weapons to protect us from Iran and North Korea???

Are you mad??

And if they're 'nut jobs' as you put it, would us having nuclear weapons deter them??

Are you Comrade Broon????
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10/07/2009 12:39:38
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 12:40:28
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NOVA ALBION 103

"North Korea and Iran are the nut jobs at present..."

They are not alone. There are also the "nutjobs" who think North Korea and Iran are a serious threat.

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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 12:46:45
NOVA ALBION 103

How do you define a "nutjob" nation? Might it be a nation that launches an unprovoked war of aggression on the basis of nothing but lies and distortions?

Or could it be a nation which possesses massive stockpiles of WMD and has a proven record of using these WMD against civilian populations?

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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 12:46:45
Aye, next Comrade Broon will be standing up in the commons waving a dossier that will 'prove' that we're within 45 minutes of total destruction if we don't spend £40 billion that we don't have on something that will run overbudget, be 20 years late and probably won't work! Then try to launch an immediate pre-emptive strike on whoever America has fallen out with!!


No wonder 'Great Britain' is a laughing stock!!
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10/07/2009 12:54:53
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George Coutts,

10/07/2009 12:55:32
GO GORDON PIFFLE ANYONE WHO GRIEVES AS YOU SAVE THE WORLD AND BECOME THE MOST FAMOUS BANK MANAGER EVER.
Win the war and make me RICH RICH RICH.
BOOM BOOM
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 12:57:28
And if the UK ever decide to scrap Trident and all its associated junk I wonder where it will be dumped???
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Jimmy Le Pie,

10/07/2009 13:02:09
#92 Nova,

You seem to forget that the UK is no longer a world power or will ever be again. The empire is gone. The union will be next!

We're America's poodle in Europe.

How many French, German, Italian or Spanish soldiers have died in Afghanistan???
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Observer,,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 13:07:05
Nova Albion the 103rd I think you need to call for re-enforcements; Nova Albion the 4th is on another thread.
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 13:12:30
95
Barrett Bonden

"North Korea will soon collapse..."

Without a doubt. Although the process may be a bit messy, to say the least. Especially if the US is up to its usual clumsy meddling.

Iran has been open to diplomacy for decades. It has suited the US to maintain the tensions.

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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 13:29:24
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NOVA ALBION 103

"Thank god we have people who can look beyond your pathetic ideology."

You mean lying, murderous warmongers like Blair?

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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 13:36:46
Why not put Gordon in charge of spreading Swine flu, if we did the bug would die off.

Everything he does fails, he is a jonah
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 13:51:32
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NOVA ALBION 103

"Gather you are a pacifist!"

Gather whatever you like. Objecting to needless wars of aggression does not make one a pacifist. It just makes one a rational human being.

Opposing the squandering of resources on entirely redundant WMD does not make one a pacifist. It simply suggests one is quite sane.

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10/07/2009 14:07:57
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David55,

10/07/2009 14:11:12
102 - If North Korea did have the ability and inclination to attack Britain with nuclear weapons, what good would trident be in stopping us getting hit with the said nuclear weapons?

You'll just have to lay down and die with the rest of us.

I would rather we didn't waste the money on nuclear weapons.

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George Coutts,

10/07/2009 14:11:52
The answer to where all the NUKE MISSILES will go is too easy. EITHER ON SCOTTISH LAND OR SEA.
If at sea then Harry and Captain Broon will do the DUMPING themselves on HMS NAZYPAKKI.
But ofcourse there will be no paperwork and big fat tight lips are order of the day.
Dont believe a wurd,ken fita meen CHEEL
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10/07/2009 14:12:42
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NOVA ALBION 101

"please ignore my fakie"

I try always to address the comments rather than the person making them.

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George Coutts,

10/07/2009 14:13:10
ATOMIC BOMB
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 10/07/2009 14:14:47
It's about time that the boy managers of (bankrupt) UK plc grew up and got rid of their dangerous toys.

Scrapping Trident is a good first step. Then, of course, there are those ridculous supper-carriers (with no planes)...................
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 14:16:45
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David55

"...what good would trident be in stopping us getting hit with the said nuclear weapons?"

You expose the fallacy - not to say "lunacy" - in the pro-WMD argument. It assumes that some entity is irrational enough to threaten a nuclear conflagration, whilst simultaneously asking us to believe that the same entity is rational enough to be deterred by the thought of starting a nuclear conflagration.

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George Coutts,

10/07/2009 14:17:35
Sinse when is ATOMIC BOMB viewed as Report Unsuitable???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Who pulls the strings at The Scotsman, is it that TV presenter who left SCOTLAND for a better life in over the border BRITTANNIAA. Seig Hile Mine Furer
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George Coutts,

10/07/2009 14:18:18
BANNANA
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George Coutts,

Report Unsuitable 10/07/2009 14:20:35
what that tooo, scary arnt they, atomic bannanas in the Dounray canteen.
They glow Yellow, For ever and ever
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Land O' Green Ginger! 10/07/2009 14:21:34
Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gordon Brown returns to his anti-trident roots just in time to hand over the keys to bomber Cameron? John Prescott today becomes the defender of our liberties and condemns our corrupt state police for perverting the course of justice. Jim Murphy suddenly wants to save Scottish jobs?

Swallow this dross and you will swallow anything. I am expecting them all to be jumping on the independence bandwagon any day now as they can no longer deny that only 9% of Scots support their beneficial union with England. Only 68% of English people want independence from Scotland too.
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 14:22:28
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NOVA ALBION 103

"No! it means you are a pacifist..."

Ho hum!

"...you will do anything and everything to avoid conflict..."

Avoiding conflict is what sane people do. Although, of course, you will have to take my word for that.

"...putting your country or other countries in the hands of extremists!"

Paranoid delusions, on the other hand, is what loonies do. And you have no need to take my word for that.

"As long as no weapons of any description are used you my friend will be happy."

And this makes me a bad person?

Go wipe your chin. And remember to wash your hands afterwards.

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David55,

10/07/2009 14:32:04
124 NOVA ALBION 103 (Stop breeding by the way)

Will you be doing a Neil from the Young Ones? Painting yourself white to deflect the blast and hiding under the kitchen table.
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David55,

10/07/2009 14:35:59
122 - In which case the Koreans are probably to logical to use nuclear weapons. So we shouldn't even bother with Trident. Just put out a press statement saying we have them, but don't actually buy them. That way everyone wins. Surely that would work?
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David55,

10/07/2009 14:38:48
128 - Great stuff...hahaha...I though these comments pages were just a ranting place for fellow looneys, but they also offer rumpy pumpy.
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 14:41:44
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NOVA ALBION 103

"Notice you didn't quote the Russian foreign ministry! I'll do it for you."

While two heads may customarily be better than one, this is never the case when both are complete nutters.

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George Coutts,

FRESH WATER 66% NORTH 10/07/2009 15:16:07
HERES a quaint idea if you want your children to have a carreer in the FORCES. ............SHOOT Gogs or Lizzie and all will be well and china can stop making BODDY BAGS, a very good business for them.
Any Takers because they always go walk about like aboriginies.
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 15:58:25
117 nova albion5,
"don't come running to us when it fails" whit like

Eire
Canada
Usa
India
Australia
New Zealand
etc

You really must be an idiot, this attitude is what has lead to Independence becoming the probable outcome.

If the Unionist Politicians would attempt to justify keeping the union with Fiscal Autronomy plus the benefits it could have won this battle, but Status quo is not an option.
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Dan,

Englandshire 10/07/2009 15:59:47
I don't know where the £100bn price tag for Trident came from, (#4), as it's £2.2bn per year.
Whatever the cost, balistic nuclear weapons, and to be honest, pretty much all nuclear weapons that we have at the moment ARE an anachronism.
They are a weapon for which the purpose is long gone, and while the decomissioning costs will also run into a couple of billion, once they're gone, they're gone.
We still have a large stockpile of tactical nuclear weapons, (land mines, artillery shells etc), which to be honest will more than do for what we may concievably need. By the way, these are all stored in England. ;)
As for certain posters on here not wanting Nuclear power in Scotland either, go for it, Scotland is small enough that renewables actually could provide for your population. I just wish we could find a way of tapping and harnessing all the hot air we get from westminster, we wouldn't need nuclear power then either.
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Am Fògarrach,

10/07/2009 16:03:07
#18 Liber Respublica de Scotia

Hope this is not too late to catch you. The answer to your question is "yes", as you probably suspected yourself after reading #17 and several others. He is trying to tone his posts down so he won't be banned for the umpteenth time. We'll see how long he lasts.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 16:24:18
#66

Do you mean places ike New London, Connecticut well known for its location up a secluded sea loch surrounded by mountains.

If not perhapa you could suggest somewhere in the US with that kind of topography. On the west coast there may be something like it in Alaska but as for the rest of the US coast east and west I think you would have a long fruitless search.
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 16:25:38
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Javier Bardem

The phrase, "res publica" is Latin. It means "public matter" and is the origin of the word, "republic".

Someone who can't spell, "by the way", really should refrain from criticising others.

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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 16:47:04
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Javier Bardem

I offered my comments in an evidently forlorn attempt to improve your education.

Your social and intellectual compatibility single-cell organisms has now been confirmed.

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

10/07/2009 16:58:45
“It is not yet clear which states will be invited to the Washington summit, though Mr Brown clearly expects Britain to be there. His offer to put Trident on the table as part of a multilateral arms reduction negotiation was first made in a speech in March.”

It is not yet clear if Brown will be in any position to make any offers whatsoever next spring, apart from perhaps a discounted copy of his memoirs.
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Hugo of Garven,

10/07/2009 17:01:12
#26 Vaward
"If you think that England needs Scotland, then you're totally barking."

You are quite right. The sooner England breaks up the Union the better.

Logically, I assume you are donating to support the SNP, or at least urging your MP to remove Scotland from the Union.
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TWC,

exLabour 10/07/2009 17:58:37
147 Hugo of Garven,

we don't NEED each other anymore it is more a question do we want to stay together.

That's the decision we need to make
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 19:01:12
Would that The Sowhatsman might do us all a favour and ban every "NOVA ALBION" that ever was, is, or will be.

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

10/07/2009 19:14:12
152 Electric Hermit

Not only Nova Albion but also the various incarnations of the “Rufus” character.

Both seriously weird individuals.

Are they related?

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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 19:19:12
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dunedin bully wee 1877

"Both seriously weird individuals."

I don't mind weird. It's the tedious that I find tiresome.

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Griffe,

10/07/2009 19:33:28
TRAITOR! Will Brown be another Neville Chamberlain?
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Electric Hermit,

10/07/2009 19:37:22
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Griffe

"TRAITOR! Will Brown be another Neville Chamberlain?"

Are you suggesting some sort of mad scientist cloning scenario?

How likely is that, exactly?

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Sgian Achlais,

10/07/2009 20:31:35
Traitorspotting

Choose a Life peerage. Choose a non-job. Choose a political career. Choose a job for your family. Choose a phucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose private health insurance and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage payments. Choose a London home. Choose jobs for your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite in a range of phucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the phuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that bench watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing debates, stuffing public money into your bank while helping only yourself and party. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, piissing your last in a luxury home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, phucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose a life peerage. Choose the Labour Party.

But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose a quislings life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are many reasons for Independence.

Scotland Choose a different Destiny. Choose to walk away from the corrupt Union and the filth and stench of Westminster Sleaze.

Choose Freedom. Choose SNP
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awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 10/07/2009 20:37:10
Nice one Sgian Achlais, that's the smartest comment there's been on here all day.

I'll choose life...
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Soloman,

Stirling 10/07/2009 23:01:29
Good to see Brown following the lead from The SNP.


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