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Published Date: 22 November 2008
THE BBC was guilty of a "catastrophic breakdown" of editorial control in allowing obscene messages comedian Russell Brand left on actor Andrew Sachs' voicemail to be broadcast, the corporation's governing body ruled yesterday.
The BBC Trust's investigation catalogued a damning series of blunders that allowed the show to go out on Radio 2. It also uncovered why Lesley Douglas, the station controller, quit days later – she had approved the show without listening to it.

The investigation also revealed that the station's head of specialist music and compliance thought the show was "very funny" and "editorially justified".

The trust ruled out further disciplinary action for Ross, who will be able to return to his TV and radio shows in January. Brand has quit the station and Radio 2's head of compliance, David Barber, has also resigned.

Ms Douglas gave the go-ahead for the broadcast despite being warned explicitly by another BBC executive that the show included the now infamous remark by Jonathan Ross that Brand had "f*****" Mr Sachs's grand-daughter.

Asked on e-mail if she would allow the show to be broadcast, Ms Douglas sent a one-word reply on her BlackBerry handheld computer: "Yes". The BBC received 42,851 complaints about the show, which was broadcast on 18 October.

Further remarks by Brand on Radio 1, and a "sung apology" in his follow-up show a week later, were found to have exacerbated the insult to Mr Sachs and his grand-daughter, Georgina Baillie. Brand implied on his show on 21 October that he had had sex with Miss Baillie.

The trust found that Brand's 18 and 25 October shows were "so grossly offensive" that broadcasting them was unjustified.

It said the broadcasting of the remarks was humiliating to Mr Sachs, best known as Manuel from the sitcom Fawlty Towers, and his grand-daughter, a member of the band Satanic Sluts. It represented an "unacceptable and deplorable intrusion into their private lives".

Attempts to seek Mr Sachs's consent for the broadcast, and the ability to broadcast the programme without it being checked by a senior BBC figure, "demonstrated a spectacular and dismal failure" of procedures.

It said Ms Douglas was guilty of a serious misjudgement in allowing the show to be aired, despite believing – after being accidentally misinformed – that Mr Sachs had consented to the broadcast. It said knowledge of the use of the F-word in relation to an identified person "should have raised alarm bells".

The investigation concluded that the incident "represented a serious failure of judgment as to what was acceptable on the BBC and a catastrophic breakdown of editorial and compliance control by the BBC".

Once the message was left on Mr Sachs's voicemail, the recording should have been halted, executives alerted and an apology offered. The report reveals that Brand and Ross were keen for the recording to be included in the show, and criticises the inexperience of the producer.

It adds: "Jonathan Ross, for his part, said he made it clear to Russell Brand at the time that the material should be included only if both Andrew Sachs and Georgina Baillie consented.

"He said he checked with Russell Brand later and was reassured that both had agreed.

"It appears that Russell Brand did leave a voicemail message with Georgina Baillie, which briefly described the message he had left for her grandfather and for which he was sorry."

Sir Michael Lyons, chairman of the BBC Trust, said the broadcasts were "gross breaches" of the BBC's editorial guidelines and should never have been broadcast. He announced the setting up of a register of "high-risk programmes" and tighter controls.


Jonathan Ross was reprimanded yesterday for his use of obscene language in his TV chat show in an interview with the actress Gwyneth Paltrow.

The show, broadcast on 2 May, was the first of four demonstrations of a "failure of editorial judgment" at the BBC, according to its governing body.

Ross, who had already used the F-word in conversation with Michael Aspel, said to Paltrow: "If you want to have sex, I'll phone my wife. If she gave me permission, I would f*** you."

The second breach occurred on Russell Brand's radio show on 18 October, when Ross was a guest. This involved the phone message to Andrew Sachs. Three days later, Brand appeared live on Chris Moyles' breakfast show on Radio 1. Brand used an innuendo to suggest he had slept with Miss Baillie.

Finally, on 25 October, Brand replayed a song in which he claimed to have slept with Miss Baillie. There followed "intrusive and offensive" references to Brand's relationship with Miss Baillie.


Exchange that secured broadcast

EXTRACTS from the trust's report reveal the discussions on whether to broadcast the calls:

Producer to Douglas Barber, the station's head of specialist music and compliance:

"The problem comes when Jonathan says that Russell f***** Sachs's granddaughter…

"I would say take it out but it forms the crux of the call and is VERY funny…

"Russ and Jonathan both VERY keen to go for it."

Mr Barber to Lesley Douglas, the former controller of Radio 2:

"Jonathan uses the f-word 52 mins into the first hour in a sequence about Russell f****** Andrew Sachs's granddaughter.

"They are speaking into Sachs's answer machine at the time, and it's very funny. There then follow more calls to the answerphone in the 2nd hour, again v funny.

"Having discussed it with (the producer] and listened to the sequence, I think we should keep in and put a 'strong language' warning at the top of the hour.

"I think it's editorially justified in the context and certainly within audience expectations for Russell's show … Certainly preferable to bleeping … Jonathan also apologises and Russell's shocked reaction is hilarious.

"Andrew Sachs is aware and happy with the results which were recorded his end for him to hear. Are you happy with this plan of action?"

The next day the controller gave the go-ahead with a reply: "Yes."


Four 'failures of editorial judgment' recorded

JONATHAN Ross was also reprimanded yesterday for his use of obscene language in his TV chat show during an interview with the actress Gwyneth Paltrow.

The show, broadcast on 2 May, was the first of four demonstrations of a "failure of editorial judgment" at the BBC, according to its governing body.

Ross, who had already used the F-word in conversation with Michael Aspel, said to Paltrow: "If you want to have sex, I'll phone my wife. If she gave me permission, I would f*** you."

The second breach occurred on Russell Brand's radio show on 18 October, when Ross was a guest. This involved the phone message to Andrew Sachs.

Three days later, Brand appeared live on Chris Moyles' breakfast show on Radio 1. Brand used an innuendo to suggest that he had slept with Georgina Baillie.

The comedian told Moyles: "I phoned up Andrew Sachs to apologise for a matter live on radio and Jonathan Ross blurted out an expletive regarding Andrew Sachs' granddaughter, who I'd, in inverted commas, recently 'met'. I met her brains out."

Finally, on 25 October, Brand replayed a song in which he claimed to have slept with Miss Baillie. There followed "intrusive and offensive" references to Brand's relationship with Miss Baillie.

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  • Last Updated: 22 November 2008 2:51 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The BBC
 
1

Ms Doreen in the Cyber Shebeen,

22/11/2008 00:23:00
Oh come back good old fashioned wry and intelligent humour..even the camp stuff of the 70's was acceptable compared to this....

"Oh you are awful...but I like you"...WALLOP!...and Rigsby...and all the other impersonators...the two bliddy Ronnies...Mr Ross cannot hold a candle to them and whilst I appreciate that it is the year 2008 for the present...his brand of humour will never reach the dizzy heights of Dave Allan esquire...tis a bit too obvious in its shiny "Aint a an outrageous wag?"...sadly...not...cannot speak for Brand except that I would not trip him onto a mattress even in a pre-menstrual fit of hormonal drunken lascivity.....except to rob him of his eyeliner.....
2

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22/11/2008 00:33:45
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Ms Doreen in the Cyber Shebeen,

22/11/2008 00:42:34
Ahhh but who brings in the bigger bucks?...Brand jumped before he was pushed..or perhaps he was pushed into jumping...maybe far too many tune in to Mr Ross for the beeb to give him the heave?...who would replace him?...how big a hole would he leave in his absence?..just exactly why is he on £6 pa..?

Money..is the root of..amongst a few other things...religion and hormones for a start...
4

drunken proffet,

Tassy 22/11/2008 01:52:02
How do they pay a guy like that six million quid a year? Is there a competition in the BBC to put their employees on the same level as some CEO's of major companies.
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22/11/2008 02:09:49
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Queen D,

Glasgow 22/11/2008 07:26:41
IRN , you can bet your life that any " awkward " questions that might have embarrassed Mr Murphy were deemed less " popular" and therefore never asked.
Much as I like John Sargent,I did'nt think his exit from the dance show merited discussion on Newsnight or QT.
The social engineering conducted by the Biased Broadcasting Corporation creeps on apace.
They have now announced that BBC1 and 2 will be available on the internet soon , no excuses for not having a TV will be acceptable for NOT having a licence.
7

Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

22/11/2008 07:43:22
If they thought that was very funny no wonder most of what they pump out every night is utter drivel.
8

Pocket Dictionary,

22/11/2008 08:07:41

I don't watch or listen to Jonny Ross, it's infantile drivel.

If I decide to go to the theatre to see a show, I have a choice on who I decide should profit through my ticket purchase. Not so with the BBC, if I don't pay my licence I am prosecuted. But I have no say on how my licence money is spent and the ridiculous salaries they pay to people I don't like or watch and I can't fire.

Time to re-think the licence fee and the funding of the BBC.
9

Bill the Baboon,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 08:16:17
Ross and Brand are laughing all the way to the bank. Their production companies (who are responsible for the programme) are still being paid. Its time the government stopped taxing us for this gross misuse of public funds.
10

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 22/11/2008 08:22:48
The licence just has to go now. It is long past any useful purpose it might have had originally. The EBC is terminally addicted to getting audience figures up and sooking in with the Labour hierarchy. If you want news you'll get around the same quality or better elsewhere, if that's what you class as quality when John Sargent fills the headlines. The Beeb now just needs to sink or swim on its content as opposed to how much of our money it can squander on smart-a$$es like Ross, Brand, Noyles, Evans and so on. They're so smart and funny it hurts - them - as they split their sides laughing at their own jokes and misusing public resources to have their fawning syconphants drool over their every word.

Perhaps we could have more of the likes of Bill Barclay who can be genuinely funny without being disgusting or insulting guests, or if he does it's all done in the best possible taste! The other guys above are scrap, along with the highly paid "executives" who oversee this morass of talentless unfunny numpties.

Hope that's clear enough!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 22/11/2008 08:24:28
Corrections - Noyles=Moyles, syconphants=sycophants. Must try harder...
12

eric,

22/11/2008 08:52:48
The licence is unjustified.folks are struggling to put food on tables today.
13

ddmc,

22/11/2008 09:31:22
The BBC has grown far too big for it's boots, with £3 billion squids pa. Trim it down & if ITV want to pay Ross the salary to match his ego let them (highly unlikely as advertising revenue has collapsed), but this tosh about having to pay massive salaries to retain 'talent' doesnt wash. There is plenty of other 'talent' out there desperate to get on the box for a fraction of the cost. I bet if you offered Ross £100,000 he would take it as he like the other so called 'talent' are ego driven & would take any offer just top keep their ugly mugs on the box. Maybe internet TV is the method to finally ditch the license fee.
14

Mallory,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 09:36:15
The licence fee poll tax must be eliminated. As the BBC has become so concerned with chasing an audience at the expense of fulfilling its basic remit that thr present state of its affairs in untenable.

The corporation should be confined to one TV and maybe two radio channels with online distribution as well as digital transmissions.

The BBC should be striped of all other commercial ventures and should launch subscription channels if there is a demand.

Given the ready supply of new 'talent' from drama schools and media studies graduates, there should no longer be a need to pay over the top salaries to performers. Ross's millions could be better used giving several hundred talented people a start up the ladder of fame.

If they in turn prosper and become too greedy there will always be newcomers eager for that chance and exposure.



15

Top_Dawg,

22/11/2008 10:48:49
BBC need to get a grip.

Bring back...

Muliti coloured swap shop (without Noel Edmunds)
Telly Addicts (without Noel Edmunds)
Noel's House Party (without Noel Edmunds)
anything else (without Noel Edmunds)

16

Lochinvar,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 10:54:02
Yeah! Bash the BEEB! Scrap the licence fee! 'Cos Brand & Ross's crass stupidity negates all the excellent programming on the BBC radio and TV. You morons would rather we abolished one of the few institutions we should be proud of. Ask any number of foreigners what they think of the BBC and that might give you some perspective on the matter. But Puhleease! Don't jump on the bandwagon with all the other "shocked of Tooting" idiots. Two, count 'em, TWO complaints on the night. Then you idiots with your faux disgust ring/write in to complain to the BBC. Complain if you like. But please don't dress it up as disgust at something you didn't hear. Who are the biggest idiots here Ross & Brand or the lemmings who rush to seek out recordings or transcripts of something they didn't hear the first time. So they can be "disgusted" just like the other TWO who actually heard the show and registered their legitimate complaints. Ok you're jealous of Ross's salary and post-credit-crunch it does seem overly excessive. Rupert Murdoch must be rubbing his hands. Of course SKY don't charge a licence fee do they?---Really?--- But it must be less than the BEEB?---No chit? Hope you are happy with your lowest common denominator TV when it arrives.(If you want to know what it would be like check out US television uugh!)
17

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 22/11/2008 11:11:43
17 - well said.
18

ddmc,

22/11/2008 12:12:56
#17 as we are FORCED BY LAW to contribute to some half ar£ed #$%^'s salary don't you think we should have some way of registering our view with the bbc ?

most people arent bashing the bbc as such but the misguided policy of paying top dollar for idiots like Ross, Brand, Wogan etc etc

An easy solution is to scrap the license fee & i wouldnt give a monkeys what they paid the so called 'talent' then
19

CymruRhydd,

Y Drenewydd 22/11/2008 12:38:26
So Lesley Douglas thought it hilarious - would she have found it as funny if the call had been to her grandparents?

As to the BBC producers "acting responsibly" by resigning - this is nothing less that bull....
By resigning the evadeded responsibility. If the BBC leadership had any morals they should have sacked not only the producers, but the puerile Brand and Ross too.

I suppose it's a sign of the times given the alleged leadership of UK.gov, whose marxist doctrine is not only immoral but also in the main responsible for the sad state this country is in.
20

Tris,

22/11/2008 12:58:00

There was a time when the licence fee was a sensible way of funding one tv channel and 3 radio channels.

That day has gone. No axe to grind here, I don't have a tv. Many people who do have tvs chhoose never to watch BBC.

No commercial station could pay the silly money that Ross is getting.

I appreciate that people like him, although I can't imagine why; he's hardly talented. (If saying a string of rude words, and making provocative statements to or about people is talent, then I have it aplenty.)

Simply, no matter how much talent it takes to say the F word, accuse people like David Cameron of sexual attraction to Mrs Thatcher, or whatever, is he really worth £6 million a year?
21

Griffe,

22/11/2008 13:04:08
Ross should have been sacked. At least Brand had the 'decency' to resign.
22

Big Carbon Footprint,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 14:15:29
Sack the lot of this bloated left wing socialist monster.

Now I have justification to tell the tv detector man to ram the licence up his a"£e!!!

And what would be the bet I get away with it? If I'm polite and bend over to help these people and play ball I'll get the jail or a big fine, whilst if I shout abuse and show lots of aggression they will not be back at my door!

Yes it's sad to say decent people in this Country are seen as a soft touch and easy to bully by these left wing morally corrupt idiots! I know it's not nice to use the word 'idiot' but the BBC with Labour are destroying this fine Country!
23

sam the god,

22/11/2008 14:53:05
#3 welcome back where have you been?
24

The Trossachs Hasher,

22/11/2008 15:06:04
Up until recently this sort of humour would have been thought funny by just about any channel on the TV or radio station mainly because they think that is what their audiences want.

However, as they have now found out, it is not really what many viewers and listeners want and many people find Ross and Brand offensive.

So don't just blame the BBC. This could very easily have happened elsewhere and for heaven's sake, don't start asking to scrap the licence fee.

The alternative is watching the same tedious adverts over and over again every 15 minutes or so. Once of the advantages of watching a BBC channel is you can watch the whole programe uninterrupted.

BTW - is it just me or am I hearing a lot more bleeping on TV channels right now and a lot more caution about what comedians and others can or cannot say.
25

ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 22/11/2008 16:17:22
Give me Mexican or German TV any day opver the BBC. I dont watch the BBC yet I have to pay for them! Its about time iwth digital TV coming in that you can opt in or out of a "BBC Package". Those who want to watch pay for that package (ie like a fee) abnd those that dont, well we dont have to.

A night in with the TV in Mexico City was always guarenteed to be full of good TV and movies... I miss it
26

Nellie,

Liverpool 23/11/2008 01:45:24
Ross brand Ross Brand Ross Brand. Okay, they're a couple of idiots for thinking that was funny. Clearly it wasn't. Offence was taken and it shouldn't have happened. (Altho' y'get the impression a lot of people complaining about it didn't even hear the show! Like those few ignorant people complaining about The Satanic Verses when they never read the book for themselves but judged it by what they'd been told. It seems like a lot of tweedies have been complaining because the Daily Mirror said it was rude ...) But should they have been sacked for doing it? Of course not! Disciplined for insulting a respected actor and his grandchild, and causing upset to their families, but not sacked because it was not their decision to broadcast the programme. The person who should have been sacked is the editor, the idiot who chose not to cut out the offensive stuff, who allowed the programme to be broadcast as it was. It's the editor's job to screen what is put forward by the "creative" people and the (so-called) artists. That is where the buck should stop.
27

Dogandgoldfish,

23/11/2008 21:21:01
Leave him alone all knowing Aunty beeb think he is worth 7 million a year, so he must be, Aunty beeb thinks the sun shines out of his bottom, so it must because the all knowing aunty beeb said so

Or could it be Aunty beeb is wrong on both counts, in which case Aunty beeb should reconsider their own future
28

Nellie,

Liverpool 23/11/2008 21:30:38
#31 Careful what you wish for. Lose Aunty Beeb and you'll be left with independents who are subject to the editorial influence of their owners and the threats of Government not to renew their franchises ... Look what happened to Thames TV courtesy of Thatcher's Tory Government ... And THAT is what some in our Labour Government would like to do to Aunty because the Beeb embarrassed them over the Iraq WMDs (Andrew Gilligan) reportage. Note, the disillusion of the Beebs's Borad of Governors, the budget forcing a MASSIVE reduction in ... where else? ... their News & Current Affairs department, for whom Gilligan worked! (And people sneer at the Putin government for controlling TV and Radio media ... at least the Russians are up front about it.)
29

Matt there,

Somewhere 23/11/2008 23:55:57
I heard it. And in my opinion everyone involved should have been sacked. Including the DG who allowed the poisonous situation to develop whereby outside firms were allowed to tell a BBC staff producer what to do.

 

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