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University drama turns into a crisis



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Published Date: 02 May 2008
FURIOUS academics have attacked the decision to make drastic cuts in acting and theatre courses.
DRASTIC cuts in acting and theatre courses are being ordered at a leading Scottish drama school where stars like Ashley Jensen and Kevin McKidd were taught.

Queen Margaret University chiefs are said to be planning the closure of its intensive courses in acting, theatre management, stage design and lighting.

Angry academics say the "conservatoire" in the drama school, which currently has around 150 students, will close after the last students have completed their courses. Other courses in "theatre arts", for which about 150 students have currently enrolled, will be kept running, according to insiders.

The Scotsman understands news of the shake-up was broken to staff and students by David Dunn, dean of the school of drama and creative industries, yesterday morning, just hours before an official inspection of the drama school.

The cutbacks have been ordered just weeks after Professor Anthony Cohen, Queen Margaret's principal, claimed that Scotland's newer universities were losing out to older institutions because of a funding bias.

He said both QMU and the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama in Glasgow had repeatedly made the case that their drama courses were under-funded and that they were "struggling" to produce the next generation of Scotland's creative theatre artists.

The RSAMD said recently it had been forced to make £600,000 worth of savings over the next year. Dozens of staff there are likely to be offered either scaled-back contracts or part-time work. Queen Margaret has a proud tradition of drama tuition, with former students including radio presenter Edith Bowman, Ashley Jensen, star of hit sitcom Extras and Ugly Betty, Trainspotting star Kevin McKidd and Simone Lahbib, of Bad Girls.

Its drama school moved into the former STV studios in Edinburgh after they underwent a £4 million makeover.

In 2004 it was announced that the complex, which had a theatre history dating back to 1932, was to become a major showcase venue for Scottish theatre on the Edinburgh Festival Fringe.

But the following summer it emerged the 300-capacity main auditorium at the Gateway Theatre had been shut for health and safety reasons after a fire inspection. QMU later announced it would have to sell off the building because it was unable to afford the £3 million repair bill.

The drama school is now based at the university's new campus in East Lothian, while students are able to use the nearby Brunton Theatre, in Musselburgh.

One staff member told The Scotsman: "QMU is refusing to provide proper facilities for the training of theatre professionals. None of us is surprised. We are deeply disappointed. It's a shame they've chosen to lose an acknowledged centre of excellence. This act is the wilful destruction of a course that has achieved international recognition."

Dr Dunn said: "It has been general knowledge for some considerable time that the school of drama and creative industries has been reviewing the provision of its drama training.

"Underfunding has been a concern, but is not the deciding factor.

"It is our intention that any new developments should not adversely affect the expectations and aspirations of our current conservatoire students. We remain fully committed to drama education."

Joyce McMillan, the Scotsman theatre critic, said: "If this sad decision has had to be taken, it's mainly because the Scottish funding bodies have refused to fund conservatoire education to the levels demanded by UK accrediting bodies."


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  • Last Updated: 01 May 2008 9:28 PM
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1

druidh,

edinburgh 02/05/2008 00:18:59
"former students including radio presenter Edith Bowman, Ashley Jensen, star of hit sitcom Extras and Ugly Betty, Trainspotting star Kevin McKidd and Simone Lahbib, of Bad Girls."

Aha - an all-star cast there then. . .
2

subrosa,

02/05/2008 00:55:01
'But the following summer it emerged the 300-capacity main auditorium at the Gateway Theatre had been shut for health and safety reasons after a fire inspection.'

That was 2005. Just shows how concerned the previous administration was about the RSADM.
3

Alfred E. Neuman,

02/05/2008 01:24:29
Excellent! Full marks to the SNP.

Look, apologies to all those 'studying' poetry with sock puppetry, I know you think it's a noble pursuit. But sorry maties, you're just not that important.

Labour for too long have been claiming "new height" in numbers in universities by offering daft courses. It's about time we honest with ourselves, foreign countries will not accept pubescent manuscripts on the difficulties of acne in exchange for raw materials, tools and food stuff that Great Britain needs to prosper.

If only the SNP would introduce full grants for the sciences! Alas, they are screwing real educations as well.
4

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02/05/2008 07:43:17
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KC Jones,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 08:31:08
Where's the crisis?
6

Porky,

England 02/05/2008 08:33:32
Academics?????
Stretching the word a bit far isn't it.
Universites shouldn't be teaching primary school subjects - even the list of graduates doesn't convince me (WHO??)Let them learn their "trade" in repertory theatres or voluntary drama groups
7

Stephen101,

Another PR stunt 02/05/2008 08:39:54
Is this part 2 of the PR campaign by Queen Margaret College/University.

We had the fascinating article about whether car, bus or bike was the fastest method of getting from the city centre to the QMC campus (which is just in the shadow of Cockenzie Power station and adjacent to the Pans).

Do you do real stories from QMC, if you do does anyone care?

More importantly, when is student night for the hairdressers? I'm due a hair cut.

8

Boy Wonder,

02/05/2008 09:29:17
It's not the first time QMC have tried to jettison the Drama dept. They were out to get it merged with the Dunfermline College of Physical Education in the late 70s. And tried again to get shot of the course ten years later. When they moved into the old Leith Academy, they got the dept out of sharing a physical building. And now at the new Campus ... the facilities are not "completed". I know because my partner's neice is a Theatre student there at present. And a war of words has been going on for some time.

How short-sighted of QMC is this? The Arts is a growing insitution and the Glasgow-based RSAMDA has not embraced that either. They have cut back too.

Is Scotland set to become a cultural desert for Arts students?


9

John south of Soutra,

02/05/2008 10:37:11
#7 the QMU campus is nowhere near Cockenzie power station it is on the outskirts of Musselburgh, please check up on your geography before posting
10

Phil1,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 10:55:24
Whether drama and arts are deserving of academic qualifications as physics & history is really irrelevant. They are as equally deserving of public funding as physics and history.

Not everyone can be a plumber or actor and work for a living some people are academically qualified/gifted and so teach, or as students learn, at Univrsities.

Art and drama are part of life and make us a better society not just a better off material society.

Arts/drama should be supported not attacked by those who are neither academically bright nor gifted artists or actors.
11

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 02/05/2008 11:55:30
#10 Phil

"Whether drama and arts are deserving of academic qualifications as physics & history is really irrelevant. They are as equally deserving of public funding as physics and history".

You cannot be serious! Unis are about brains. History is something anyone can read up in books and drama and art are largely leisure activities. Anyone one can do these. That is quite different to science and maths and medicine, etc. Physics requires really hard sums and nuclear acclerators, and few people can manage these. In a knowledge based economy like ours brains matter to create the wealth that enables leisure subjects.

12

Nick Waker,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 12:04:01
I would like to take a second to defend the arts. It may not; on the surface seem important but, to me and anyone who every laughed or cried watching a film or seeing a piece of theatre- it is life. If we let the arts die, what do we actually live for at all? Not for the sciences.

May DCI rest in peace.



13

Richard P.,

Brechin, 02/05/2008 12:08:23
No.3,'Alfred E. Neumann'. Wern't you the guy with big ears and spots on the front cover of 'Mad' magazine ? Figures... .
14

Nick Waker,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 12:11:18
In response to 4...

You do however need brains to spell the word media! The next time you turn the television on or read a book after a hard slog in your dead end office job, remember who is working to entertain you!

kind regards,

Nick
15

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 02/05/2008 12:51:27
What? No more teaching of Shakespeare or Marlowe or Congreve?

The PHILISTINES have taken over!
16

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 02/05/2008 13:23:35
LOTS AND LOTS OF VILE PHILISTINES POSTING HERE TODAY!

Go back to your hovels and swill your beer and down gallonsof "wee drams".

After all, you have SO much to live for, you numpties.
17

Angry and Disenchanted QM DCI Student,

QMU Wonder Campus 02/05/2008 13:26:28
Mainly, as I am a member of the DCI school, I'm upset about this news...especially as we found out via text message this morning, not from any member of staff. But I would like to also point out to all the people on here that slag off our "Trivial Pursuit" courses, that unless we have courses like these, you wouldn't have cinema, theatre or television. Because as well as actors this industry employs, tailors, seamstresses, Lighting and sound specialists, set designers, carpenters, stage managers and many many more, all who work to put together entertainment for you to watch. I'd also like to point out, that members of my course, frequently work more hours per week than any other course at this university. So next time you go down to the local odeon, or pop on that tv of yours, remember that there are more than just the actors on screen, and all these people require proper training....can you make an Elizabethan dress, or build a set?
18

Jo Gibson,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 13:54:24
Number 11.... do you really think you could handle an acting course or a theatre production course?? Have a go... I'm sure you would fail. People who are actually informed about this industry will know that it is a very demanding industry and deserves the same recognition as any other profession gets.

Number 6.... if the Arts were just a 'primary school subject' as you like to describe it - Then why is YOUR government making legislation for it?? Why are there Policies for Culture and the Arts?? Why are there Festivals to celebrate Arts in Britain?? Its because the Arts and Culture are at the heart of any community. If the Arts were not taught as a profession who would air your favourite saturday night television show, or that really good musical you went to see??

Culture and Arts is what creates a sense of identity for a country... what would Britain be without its culture...??

There are only two drama schools in Scotland and when those actors graduate and are working in the public eye they will become ambassadors for your country. Therefore you should be supporting them and encouraging the development of this thriving industry.
19

Angry DCI student,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 15:34:40
Although many people feel that courses such as those outlined are ‘Mickey Mouse’ subjects and not worthy at a university, I would like to point out that the training provided at the university is vital as apprenticeships are in decline within the industry. Each time you turn on the television, go to the cinema or the theatre everything you see has been designed and made by professionals who studied courses such as those provided at QMU. Each person who has left what I feel are disrespectful comments to our chosen profession I ask you, can you produce costumes or build sets?
20

Boy Wonder,

02/05/2008 15:40:15
#11 RbnR ... re: drama and art ... "Anyone can do these."

I beg to differ!

Or are you some kind of Michaelangelo who is also another Gielgud??

You're the kind of philistine who obviously doesn't understand "talent" and the need to nurture it ... not lose it under a mountain of mediocrity! Just like the present incumbents of the quangoes and seats of power who run our schools, colleges, universities ... and councils!
21

marvinacme,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 15:59:42
Edinburgh is the first international city of literature and thousands of tourists visit every year for the International/Fringe/Book/Jazz festivals as well as the Tattoo. The Arts is pretty important to the economy of the city and it's what we're famous for. It is a shame that students who wish to go on to support this part of the economy are not given any respect.
22

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 02/05/2008 16:14:09
Nobody is denying drama and art types training, etc. The point is that these skills don't require big brains and so are not academic and so don't need expensive unis. Anyone can act: we all do it all day long. Very few people can handle eleven dimensional maths, so such persons require nurturing if knowledge has a value.
23

KC Jones,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 16:28:26
#19 I think you have hit the nail on the head. These courses provide valuable apprenticeship training. However, universities are not in the business of turning out qualified apprentices. Surely such courses - properly funded - should be at FE colleges?
24

chi_rup,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 17:27:38
Ironically, by getting rid of its technical theatre course QMU is losing a degree that, far from being "Mickey Mouse", has an excellent record of employment for graduates in one of Edinburgh's booming industries. Next time you go to a bar, visit the cinema, watch TV, attend your company awards show or party remember who designed it for you.

The real "Mickey Mouse" degree for QMU right now would be Business Studies. What can you hope to learn from a university that can't manage its own finances effectively or avoid getting ripped off by builders?
25

chi_rup,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 17:58:44
To respond to 22, nobody would deny that people with an ability to understand 11 dimensional mathematics should be nurtured in an academic environment but are there enough of them around for all universities to have thriving maths departments?

Technical arts courses ARE expensive if they are to have any meaning or relevance to the industry at large, for obvious reasons. You can't expect to be paid to operate a TV camera or work the lights at the Edinburgh Tattoo if you've never used such things during your education.

It's a shame, and somewhat insulting, that some people are suggesting that we make a black/white choice between arts and sciences when funding education. Just last month Edinburgh hosted its own Science Festival, promoting science education to children and running a successful programme of lectures and discussion, but guess who managed these events, built the venues and provided technical support? Graduates of QMU's theatre production course, mostly, once known as one of the best in Scotland.
26

Michael Ramsay DCI Student,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 18:30:00
Surely everyone is entitled to persue whatever career they choose? why shouldn't someone be able to go to drama school to study something they are passionate about?! how dare anyone suggest that one subject is worth less than another, and surely equality and opportunity is what this society is all about?
Do the majority of people who study academic subjects not go on to enter the 9-5 rat race of city life? ending up at 45 and thinking: "what exactly have i achieved in life?". i think so. Whereas the arts provides job satisfaction that no amount of number crunching can equal. To see the first night of a show and know that you had a major hand in is one of the most satisfying feelings you can ever have.
Ok so the courses might not be as "academic" as the sciences etc. but thats the point! RSAMD AND QMU provide nationally recognised courses amoung the top ten in Britain. These insitutions have been turning out high calibre professionals for years with employment rates at nearly 100%. How many courses could claim that statistic?
If these institutions are to cease then i think it is a crying shame but should not attract a sence of "good riddance" as some people on here seem to be applying. Anyone who celebrates the closing of opportunites for young enthusiastic people should be ashamed of themselves.
People say that kids nowadays have far more opportunites in life. I think this is a fantastic fact and long may it continue.
27

Mierin,

Falkirk 02/05/2008 19:02:36
#17 "But I would like to also point out to all the people on here that slag off our "Trivial Pursuit" courses, that unless we have courses like these, you wouldn't have cinema, theatre or television. Because as well as actors this industry employs, tailors, seamstresses, Lighting and sound specialists, set designers, carpenters, stage managers and many many more, all who work to put together entertainment for you to watch."

There was actually a time before these courses were available, and people must have coped or the industry would have died long ago.

#26 I quite agree that anyone wishing to study at drama school should have the chance - but drama schools belong among the vocational qualifications establishments whereas Universities have always been about academia.

"These insitutions have been turning out high calibre professionals for years with employment rates at nearly 100%. How many courses could claim that statistic?"

Would you mind posting a link to show where this statistic comes from?
28

SteveEwing,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 19:55:07
Listen Neuman and all you other folks of limited mind, I have a 2:1 from Glasgow Uni and a PhD from Oxford Uni, three scholarships and an MRC Fellowship under my 42 year old belt. At the age of 37 I was offered two UK drama school places. I chose to study acting at QMUC and, whatever your prejudice and ignorance may lead you to believe, my time at QM exposed me to tutors and students of greater integrity, humanity and knowledge than Oxford and Glasgow put together. I know from experience what QM and its skilled staff offer so unless you've got something more to offer the debate than ignorance, keep it zipped.
29

Ruari Dunn DCI Student,

Ada, Ohio 02/05/2008 20:16:55
Ah the final step in the mis-management of QMU. I have been away from Edinburgh on an internship in America so have not been up to date on the going ons. Just kind of makes me wonder what kind of bomb site I'm going to be returning to on Monday.
30

Emma-Ginge,

QMU 02/05/2008 20:30:27
Ok...I do apologise #3, I'm another one of those angry sock-puppet poets, but what can I say?

QM is losing one of it's greatest assets. The greatest thing about the arts is it's ability to conceal the obscene amount of work that goes into producing a show. You see actors on a stage and assume we in DCI spend our days reading Shakespeare or Strindberg while taking photos of ourselves. You don't see us slave over Aristotle, designing model boxes for sets, or learning the physics of lighting and sound. Nor do you see us first thing in the morning with bags under our eyes after spending the entirety of a night trying to find a venue, because we are not given the funding to build our own!

Much of the work we, as DCI graduates, will go on to do will benefit the culture and economy of the full country. Ok, so we might not end up with a degree in Aeronautical Engineering, but our education will give us steady grounding in the industry we have chosen to go in to. Not to mention literature, philosophy, history, and (for those especially in TP) physics.

Many Bachelors of the Arts could rhyme off Pythagoras' theorum; how many from the so-called "worthy" faculties know Sonnet 18 ("Shall I compare thee...")

Many you say?
Try it in iambic pentameter with resonance primarily in the chest. How's that for intercostal diaphragmatic breathing with abdominal control? Remember to articulate the dipthongs and you'll be fine...

31

Opinions of the not-so Self-Righteous,

San Paislo 02/05/2008 20:47:42
Hello #30

I myself once dreamed of studying this so called sock puppetry of which #3 speaks, however I ended up studying Law with French Language (at Glasgow - I hope that meets your expectations of what 'contributes' to the furthering of our country's prosperity et cetera, #3). But if I could act, I would have.

To know what it is to be involved in the Arts is a gift. To be ignorant is no excuse to slander any academic institution teaching the Arts, nor any of their respective students.

A Scotland without Art, a Scotland of economic obsessed academics, a Scotland without passion, without the beauty of culture and the furthering of the imagination, is this what you want? Without the nurturing of young artistic minds? Perhaps that would fit in nicely ina society where all the nation do is eat & work.

Then my friend, you'd see the depression rates hit a low that even our country's never seen.

We need these places. We need these vocations. We need these students; if people can't understand this then I feel sorry for them.

'[D]aft courses?'

I've got 5 As to my name mate, and I'd rather tham all scattered around a script than defacing the lawsuit that will oneday prevent these acts that you so hideously adorn, from happening.
32

DudRees,

London 02/05/2008 21:47:06
I’m very saddened by this news, and equally by many of the comments here on this page. It seems to me that there is a total lack of understanding of what Edinburgh is losing by closing its only drama school.

There are 21 accredited drama schools in the UK, they take on a very small number of acting students each year and are monitored so that they produce the highest class of actor training in the world. 2 of these accredited drama schools are in Scotland, 1 in Wales and the rest are in England.

Scotland, with its new National Theatre should not be losing the only accredited drama school in its capital city. It’s an appalling state of affairs when the money is not there.

I’ve lived in Scotland and I know how proud and determined the people are to keep up, well this is a total loss to other cities. People from Scotland will have no choice but to travel to London to get the kind of training they need to compete. 5 years ago, it was the other way around, people were travelling up from London. What a stupid mistake.

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chi_rup,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 21:55:26
How sad that Edinburgh, once the home of European enlightenment, seems to be turning into a mean spirited, grey little city where arts venues are converted into flats and world class training centres close down.

I suppose we should all be good little executives; go to work in the Gyle, come home to a box and fall asleep in front of Newsnight Scotland.
34

Rebel,

South Carolins USA 02/05/2008 22:20:40
As governments around the world seek to keep yheir peoples under control, many tax-subsidized programs, (using money confiscated by government from one group to benefit another group), will disappear as such programs as ... growing food, obtaining water and energy, etc. become important, (for some strange
reason). Fancy that! We are competing with 3 Billion people who want the lifestyle we have and they welcome any program that increases their advantage to compete in the global economy, (or decreases our ability to compete). We can adapt to this reality or we can cry about things not going our way and ...still face reality. HOW WE ADAPT TO THESE REALITIES WILL EITHER MAKE OR BREAK OUR SOCIETIES.
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Michael Ramsay DCI Student,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 22:35:05
I quite agree that anyone wishing to study at drama school should have the chance - but drama schools belong among the vocational qualifications establishments whereas Universities have always been about academia.

- So your saying that because we want to study a vocational course we can't study it at higher level? I did a foundation degree at college before i went to uni and the diffrence is startling. All drama schools get thier degrees from Universitys near by. So what about QM? DCI is a drama school WITHIN a university. Does this mean that my degree means more than a normal drama school?

"These insitutions have been turning out high calibre professionals for years with employment rates at nearly 100%. How many courses could claim that statistic?"

Would you mind posting a link to show where this statistic comes from?

- Unfortunatly as with other Universities you only get the entire institution's employment stats. But it is common knowledge that employment rates amoung NDCT AND CDS schools are near enough 100%.
36

Jenni (qmu),

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 22:56:43
I find it frankly disgraceful that scotland is losing its best established and professionally recognised Drama institutions.
I would also like to point out to these so called academics that perhaps they should do some real research into a theatre related degree before they make judgements, after all isn't that what academics do? I would also like to hear from these same people in ten to twenty years time when art in scotland has disappeared and their idea of high culture and entertainment becomes a pint in a greasy pub with a copy of Byron in their hand.
Drama students work hard both to get into the course in the first place and then keep up with the creative and academic sides of their course. It is amazing how many people give little value to courses of such calibre and I am disgusted in the way that Queen Margaret has gone about this.
37

Feenon,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 23:30:14
As I understand some of the history here - RSAMD need to make savings due to the mis-management of one production with a spectacular over-spend by a visiting staff member...

No-one was fired.

QM had to move its drama school out of a purpose-built and purpose-bought facility that was found to be unfit for purpose after millions of public and QM funds were spent on it...

No-one was fired (not even pursuit of the architect who SHOULD have known...)

Public funds are being mis-managed in common-place, cavalier fashion by both institutions.

This is not to say that the work - the education and development of future artists for our nation is unimportant - it most certainly is - but principals in both institutions have and continue to be responsible for HUGE errors in judgement.

Again, no-one will be fired.
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Feenon,

Edinburgh 02/05/2008 23:35:43
NOTE TO PICTURE EDITOR - photograph is of old Corstorphine Campus - need to update your information...
39

mrmackay,

Edinburgh 03/05/2008 00:26:00
I am very intereseted to hear the assumptions being made here. You don't need brains to study drama...uh huh. And yet the 11-dimensional maths previously mentioned, I presume super-string theory, requires a lot of brains. Im sorry I struggle with the questions posed in drama, who are we? why are we here? what does it mean to live in a society?, endless questions with endless answers and a multiplicity of academic reading material, (in fact the oldest universities in the country where debating these issues long before the emergence of how to create a unified theory of everything.) requires only slightly more than the knowledge to understand a calculator and a few graphs that may show up from time to time in New Scientist. A true academic, in the complete sense of the term embraces the pursuit of truth, in all its facets. So the loss of any facility, especially one so connected to the industry is a great loss.
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Helen Clarkson,

On tour, thanks to my QM training 03/05/2008 01:32:36
I am very saddened and angered by the closure of the technical and acting courses at QM, however unfortunately I am not surprised by this news. Being a student at the Gateway Theatre from 99 - 2002, I was aware of the political issues the college faced. As a graduate of the Stage Management course at QM, I do feel the need to add my comments to this link as I am so outraged by the ignorance and stupidity of some who believe that the courses were not academic and so therefore not significant enough to receive the adequate funding to continue. Have any of these people ever been to the theatre, cinema, a gig, watched tv...? Yes, of course they have. And these industries wouldn't be there without the training of the professionals of the arts, one of the oldest industries known to the human race. Just the same as when you go to visit your doctor, he or she will have been trained. Why shouldn't our industry?

Studying on the Stage Management course at QM wasn't a walk in the park. I worked many long hours for 3 years to train and to do my bit in getting excellent high standard quality shows on stage. On top of that I put in hours of personal study, and had a part-time job to keep me fed and able to survive in Edinburgh to go to college in the first place. Also, since graduating in 2002 I have constantly been employed in many jobs in my trained profession, in an exciting variety of short and long contracts across the UK and Europe. Mickey Mouse Course???? I don't think so.
41

JJ McGregor,

Edinburgh 03/05/2008 02:37:13
I find the level of ignorance combined with the complete lack of sympathy from some people on this comment board both deeply saddening and disturbing, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

The closure of the Gateway was a sad day for Scottish theatre, however, always looking for the bright side, I thought this could have brought certain advantages for the students. In both acting and technical aspects. It introduced the chance to explore how to design and construct a play for different environments, something which I always thought was missing when I first started at QMU's SDCI.

So not all was lost, the students were learning how to design for 'alien' venues, they were taught how to prepare for fit ups and production weeks away from the safety net of having a workshop just next door, if something went wrong it had to be fixed on-sight. In short it provided an opportunity to teach an altogether more relevant course for an emerging young theatre practitioner.

Now, it was at this stage, 3 years ago that the course needed a complete re-writing. The SDCI should have become a school for teaching touring theatre. This would have provided a completely unique course without drastically changing the core skills already offered by the school.

Having missed their chance to radically change and invigorate the course structure, effectively relaunching the school, which could have had a huge marketing backing, generated a much needed cash flow. The students are left in a state of grievous disrepair. With lecturer's held up in meeting upon meetings to discuss the what's left of the course, the students are left with very little academic support.

With fly by visits from tutors trying to cope with the crumbling mass of what was once a heavyweight in the Drama School arena; students are left fending for themselves. The result is often an under-rated and impressive amalgamation of will power, talent and sheer determination.

As a gradu
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JJ McGregor,

03/05/2008 02:50:35
*post continued*

As a graduate who has been asked back to work on QM's end of year show, premiering at the brunton theatre next week, I have been unbelievably impressed with the level of maturity and genuine want to share their craft with the industry.

To conclude these young professionals have developed a skill that many lack; perhaps QMU should change the course title for the remaining few years from a BA in theatre production, or acting and performance - to a BA In Just getting the job done.

Well done to you all - and enjoy it while it lasts.
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Alastair Mailer,

Glasgow 04/05/2008 12:15:52
#37

Just to correct the record for the RSAMD, the budget cuts being sought for 2008/09 are a result of long-term chronic underfunding of drama students throughout Scotland compared to their English and European counterparts. Arts institutions such as the RSAMD and the QMU DCI having been delicately balancing this deficit for years. In the RSAMD's case, the national pay agreement made recently with the lecturers union, which delivered a long needed pay rise for all academics, finally made the underfunding a terminal issue. I would not be surprised if similar pressures existed at QMU DCI.
44

George and Julie,

WrexhamI 04/05/2008 13:16:57
In a week where Boris has been elected mayor of London nothing should surprise
Philistines such as Dunn and Cohen should resign immediately
The fantastic students, talented, resourceful, dedicated..deserve better
Was there ever intention of including theatre studies at the new campus??
It seems strange that only after funding is arranged for the campus that a dcision is made to make cuts

An urgent rethink is required and students past and present, staff, parents and friends should unite in protest at this Thatcheresk short term economy which invalidates the entire status of QMU
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Sian-pan,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 15:03:14
I cannot quite decide which is more upsetting. The complete lack of respect QMU has shown its students or the unbelievable ignorance expressed by the general public. I came to QMU to study Drama and Theatre Arts (oh wait, sorry, poetry with sock puppetry) but instead have found that as well as regular essays and assessments my patience has been tested on a regular basis.

I arrived at QMU nothing less than excited about being part of DCI at the brand new campus. Arriving to an unfinished campus we were still promised a vast range of facilities which have failed to materialise. And it is now clear that they were never going to. The myriad of lies which we have been told are enough to make even Judas feel a little nauseous. If I had decided a degree in lies was the way forward I would have set myself up in the houses of parliament with a notepad and pen. The lack of facilities as well as respect has jeopardised our education greatly. Whatever people may think we have come here to learn and become skilled in a trade which we all have great passion for. We wanted to learn, we have simply not been allowed to.

Who has the right to decide that my education, alongside hundreds of others, is any less important than anyone else’s? QMU apparently. It saddens me how disappointed I have been with QMU, and that myself alongside many others are seriously considering their place here.
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PAM student,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 18:17:41
I guess that the point that has been missed throughout all of this is the mess that QMU has left it's current students in. Sure, we may still have a course to attend but what sort of quality can we expect? The lack of respect shown to the students AND the staff would suggest to me that not many of the lecturers will be looking to stay in such a place.

Whilst a major issue in this is of course the future of training facilities in Scotland, it is also very worrying for those currently enrolled at the university. Students who expected to have their minds expanded and learn new skills to make them employable have been lead up s**t creek. I myself am considering whether I will be able to reach my potential with the opportunities provided by QMU or if I should be leaving.

Irrelevant of whether people believe in the validity of the courses at QMU, those at the uni need to be considered. What you have is a group of talented young people, who placed their trust and paid their fees to the uni, who are now uncertain and scared about their future.

Have some consideration for the s**t that the students have put up with before you start attacking their choices.
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MarkR,

USA 04/05/2008 19:10:30
Drama/Art School: where they go when they don't want to work for a living. We're loaded with the same types over here. Get a job, slacker.
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Sock-Puppeteer and Poet Extraordinaire!,

QMU 05/05/2008 01:21:35
Quote from #11

"drama and art are largely leisure activities. Anyone one can do these."

Ha! Leisure activities! This made me laugh a lot. Some people just have no idea whatsoever. It's as if he has said to himself "I don't understand it, therefore it must be easy!" I'd like to see how you cope with a twenty-one hour overnight get-in matey. Now that would be funny.

In all seriousness though, surely everyone must agree that only those with experience of working in the theatre industry (and trust me, you really have to work) can comment on how difficult it is. That's common sense, right? I'm not playing down the difficulty of sciences, two of my best friends are a chemical engineer and a psychologist, and I know I couldn't do what they do. But equally they know how hard I work and the hours I put in on my course, not to mention the extra show work with the student Theatre Company we have started, and admit that they couldn't do what I do either, creatively, academically or physically.

I agree wholeheartedly with #42, a degree in 'Getting the job done' is exactly what the students here deserve. I mean the actors are in nine to five every day, plus show hours and they don't even have adequate working spaces, the costume designers work in an infit, tiny space with not enough light or equipment and the Theatre Production guys have to travel all over Scotland to find a venue they can use because we don't have one. I respect the people here for their abilities and talents without exception, but what is more amazing is their sheer determination to get the show on.
Time was when the administration worked with the students, but here we are working despite the governers and administrators: the students are carrying this University on their own now.
All that seems to be left to us is to choose to be either the year that goes down with the ship, or to be the year that trimphs despite all the adversity.

'Sock-puppeteers and poets unite! You have nothing to lose b
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Sock-Puppeteer and Poet Extraordinaire!,

QMU 05/05/2008 01:24:45
Ooops... cut me off...

*post continued*

'Sock-puppeteers and poets unite! You have nothing to lose but your courses!"

... and maybe we'll annoy a few more philistines along the way as a bonus... ;)
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Parkovic,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 16:19:02
Here is my rant. It has been building and I hope is as enlightening as it is painful to relate.


I graduated from QM's Acting course last year and am sorry to say have been well aware for some two years that this was going to happen. The Gateway's theatre was shut down at the end of my first year and with it went all the promise of being an exciting new hub of drama during the Fringe.


Soon after - and in no small part due to the short-sightedness of Principal Anthony Cohen and his determination to kill off the school of Drama and Creative Industries - visionary figures instrumental to the establishment of QM's top class reputation were left little choice but to leave or watch the courses and school they had fought to nurture being quietly suffocated behind closed boardroom doors. Lynn Bains, Maggie Kinloch and John Ramage were all gone within a year.


I was particularly active, as were many others, in fighting this decline and my yeargroup had correspondence directly with Anthony Cohen (which I still have copies of) that showed him to be patronising, narrow-minded and shockingly dismissive of our heartfelt and genuine concerns.


In addition, we called for several meetings with both Richard Kerley (Dean of DCI) and Dr.David Dunn (Maggie Kinloch's replacement), miutes of which I also still have. In these meetings we received a series of straight-faced assurances that make bitter reading now. I vividly remember asking Richard Kerley for his assurance that every penny from the sale of the Gateway would be re-invested into the school of DCI, to which he gave a derisive laugh and said "and then some".


I also know from sources inside Queen Margaret's Human Resources dept. that despite the inordinate length of time it took to replace Maggie Kinloch, her job was only ever offered to one person - David Dunn. In fact, no-one else was even interviewed. Worse still, Anthony Cohen didn't even want to bother interviewing Dr.Dunn and it is a small testament to
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Parkovic,

07/05/2008 16:23:01
*sorry - cut off*

Worse still, Anthony Cohen didn't even want to bother interviewing Dr.Dunn and it is a small testament to whatever integrity he once had that he himself insisted on being interviewed.


It is my view that he was brought in specifically to oversee the winding-up of the school of DCI in as quiet and painless a manner as possible. Every meeting I had with him reinforced this impression. The difference between his attitude and plans for the school and those of his predecessor could not have been more wildly opposed.


The new campus fiasco was just another example of conveniently overlooking our needs. Representatives from all DCI courses met with Richard Kerley and Vice Principal Roslyn Marshall to voice our concerns about the lack of space and facilities for us in Musselburgh when it was still in he early stages of construction. I also have minutes of this meeting. They palmed us off and effectively did nothing, as is proven by the shocking state of affairs within the now fragmented DCI at the new campus.


I would like to ask: Is it a coincidence that for QMUC to achieve University status, it required a Drama department - so it created one. Now, having reached it's goal last year, QMU has regrettably announced it no longer needs a drama dept..... hmmm.


About a year ago, after finding out about the plan to axe the Acting and Performance course, making it a 3rd year specialism of the Drama & Theatre Arts course, I sent an e-mail voicing all of my conerns, including the minutes of the meetings I have mentioned, to several people at the Evening News. They had just ran an article about the new campus and concerns over the Acing course's funding. Unfortunately, I never heard back from them.


Although I have done more than many to fight the wanton destruction of an unique and vibrant collaborative community of future arts professionals, I often feel I didn't do enough. It saddens me beyond words to think that Cohen, Kerley and Marshal
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Parkovic,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 16:24:02
*and again*

It saddens me beyond words to think that Cohen, Kerley and Marshall have finally got their wish and amputated QM's healthiest limb.


It is the current students and the dedicated, undervalued and hideously overworked staff members that remain that I feel for the most because even though my degree is diminishing in value daily in the eyes of the profession, at least I got to leave before the end and don't have to watch QM's valuable community of co-dependant theatre courses being torn apart and butchered by these soulless, deceitful people with no appreciation of the ramifications of their own actions.

Parky
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CostumeFairy,

QMU 10/05/2008 01:30:32
Whilst I hesitate to launch myself into the ongoing melée, it would be wonderful if commentators could stop insinuating that people who do art based courses are stupid. It is very frustrating to be considered of lesser intelligence just because quarks, neurology or accountancy do not whip us into an intellectual frenzy. Personal fault though it is, I object to people casting aspersions on my mental capacity, and I'm sure others feel the same.
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John Diamond - Stage Management Grad 1999,

Edinburgh - Stage Management Grad 1999 14/05/2008 14:35:18
I am an employer and ex-Stage Management student of QM and it is very disturbing to see the way things have been developing over the past few years with the QM drama department as a whole and the wider issue of funding for training the Scottish theatre sector. It is not just the theatre industry that is going to suffer if the level of vocational training available in Scotland is diminished. As an employer of technical crew, the Stage Management course at QM and RSAMD is usually my first port of call on any recruitment drive. Not having a reliable resource of new and developing crew, both in terms of availability and level of training, is going to have a knock-on effect in reducing the number of skilled technicians working in Scotland in any discipline.

For many years theatre production students have benefited financially, helping them through their studies and professionally, with the experience they get working on technical production of events, conferences and other corporate jobs. There are many ex-students trained in technical theatre production, who have chosen not follow a career in theatre and are using and developing their skills elsewhere. I am one among many who have rarely been involved with theatre since graduating but I am grateful for the training we received that has enabled us to flourish in our own fields. There is a shortage of training options available nationwide for individuals wanting to work in technical disciplines. There is even less providing real industry experience to support the training that is available. I understand that the National Skills Academy is addressing this but I have heard little of how that is going to help us north of the border.

It has been sad to see the ongoing saga of the QM Drama Dept since I graduated in 1999. The attitude of the QMU management, from what I have read is deplorable. Yes, drama staffing costs more to support a smaller number of students than a lecturer in front of 100 students but it
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John Diamond - Stage Management Grad 1999,

Edinburgh - Stage Management Grad 1999 14/05/2008 14:36:54
but it is essential to ensure that students get the appropriate level of training for their needs. Suitable facilities are also essential. The Gateway was promised for many years and had great potential as a centre of excellence only for it to be taken away and the department wedged into whatever space could be found at the new campus. The rep theatre system that the QM SM course was based on when I was studying ensured that we were pretty much always working on a show. It helped us all understand what it was like to work in the real world of theatre. We were not your average students doing 3-4 hours of lectures a week. We were in college working 9am – 5pm everyday plus overtime and we were rewarded with a degree that we could be proud of and even one that others might be envious of. We sold out every show we produced! It is testament to its success that RSAMD subsequently adopted a course structure similar to when we were based at Corstorphine.

The QM Drama Dept. had a fantastic reputation. I’m sure the Course Leader during my time at QM – John Stone, is keeping an eye on the current developments. The course that John helped build back at Corstorphine, the course that all of us were proud to be involved in no longer exists in its original form. And what is happening now must surely feel like a kick in the teeth for all those who put so much effort into establishing the department back in the day. I’m sure I’m not the only student of my era who feels angry that things have gone this way.

It will be the employers who will be affected when they can no longer find crew to staff their shows locally in Scotland due to the training being provided south of the border. If you train south of the border, you are more likely to stay there for work. Educational establishments providing vocational courses should be working more closely with industry to establish what we require of graduates once they come on the job market by getting us involved at an earlier stage in thei
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John Diamond - Stage Management Grad 1999,

Edinburgh - Stage Management Grad 1999 14/05/2008 14:37:43
earlier stage in their development.

I support calls for an open meeting to discuss these issues further with the purpose of developing a strategy to ensure that theatre and other associated industries can help protect their own future in Scotland. Culture defines a nation and if Linda Fabiani MSP and the SNP are serious about national identity and independence then they will need to ensure that they support their own natural cultural resources. If they are serious about their cultural policy (below) they should want to engage with us.

Scottish Government Cultural Policy (cut and pasted from scotland.gov.uk):

“The Scottish Government wants to see a culturally cosmopolitan Scotland, capable of attracting and retaining gifted people, where our creative community is supported and their contribution to the economy is maximized. The creative industries generate more than £5 billion of turnover in the Scottish economy. Scotland has talent in abundance and we need to support success.”

I can’t seem to reconcile the above policy with what is going on in our industry. If anyone can help please let us know. Let’s keep the ball rolling!

I have never been out of work in our industry since well before I graduated. Not being an academic, the Stage Management degree gave me the opportunity to develop skills, experience and confidence that has enabled me to build my own business, now over 5 years old, that directly employs current students and graduates of both QM and RSAMD on a regular basis, due to the methods used to provide for their training in a way which I value and professional level of skills that my clients demand.

The show must go on - whatever happens to QM/RSAMD, the industry will find a way to adapt and survive because that is what we do for a living!
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Smoutie,

Glasgow 19/05/2008 15:41:34
I'm not going to get into a debate with the previous posters who kicked off this comment list. Indeed I'm going to thank them for stimulating the debate. It has brought out much which was needed to be said.

Many of the great minds of our time have brought together in themselves art and science and we should take a lesson from them.

Put simply, Edinburgh is known for its Arts, the worlds biggest Art Festival is held here. This is what drew me to study all those years ago, it is almost unique in this. To not have a place for professionals to train and study in Edinburgh is beyond belief. It is almost akin to The Conservatoire de Paris shutting down, maybe we should learn from the Auld Alliance. A new National Theatre Company should be supported by a new national training institution.

In all this frantic activity of typing one thing is missing. What to do now. Do we accept this as a fait accompli or do we put pressure where pressure hurts.

Those already in the industry have options open to them, you could be an employer who will see a sudden lack of skilled professionals, both acting and technical. Talk to your funders, your local business forums, your Enterprise bodies. This closure will cost you, travel expenses for interviews, higher salaries to lure the southern work force north or a decline in quality and quantity due to the shortage of staff resulting drop in audience numbers. For those freelancers or not employing directly, join your union, BECTU and Equity should be fighting this and supporting Scottish training for it's local businesses.

There are numerous studies showing the huge economic benefit of Theatres and Concert Halls, they need a steady stream of content and support. This will be harder to find come the closure.

Make sure you are on the electoral role and harass your MSP, MP, MEP. Ask them if they will raise this matter on your behalf with the relevant minister.

Maybe a day of action will bring political minds to focus on this,
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Smoutie,

Glasgow 19/05/2008 15:43:55
Maybe a day of action will bring political minds to focus on this, one in conjunction with managements around the country, not just Theatre but broadcast and film too. These courses didn't just produce professionals for the Theatre, one of Scotland's top independent tv production companies was co-founded by a graduate of QMUC. They have exported their product around the world and used locally trained actors and professionals.

There are many things we can be doing to stop the dangerous erosion of our cultural underpinnings, we just need to get off our collective backsides and do it.

 

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