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The odd couple who share common enemy



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Published Date: 05 May 2008
Closer links between the SNP leader and his Tory counterpart would be bad news for Labour, writes HAMISH MACDONELL
CONSERVATIVE activists in the heart of London weren't the only ones enjoying David Cameron's success as he led his party to its resounding victory in last week's local elections in England and Wales.

At SNP headquarters in Edinburgh, there were
also cautious if satisfied smiles as party strategists realised just what continued Tory success might mean for them.

The SNP and the Conservatives have been at odds politically, constitutionally and in almost every way, for the past 30 years. Yet they now realise they share a common cause – furthering the collapse of the Labour vote.

For some SNP activists, the election of a Tory government in Westminster, together with an SNP Government at Holyrood, would almost be a dream ticket because, they believe, it would push forward the cause of independence considerably.

The logic goes like this: the Tories – including Mr Cameron – are not liked in Scotland so, if they win in the UK as a whole, more Scots are likely to feel alienated by the Westminster government, believing it to be distant and unrepresentative. Also, if there is a sustained backlash against Labour throughout the country, this will benefit the Tories in England but the Nationalists in Scotland.

These same strategists believe the political distance between an SNP administration in Edinburgh and a Tory government in London will be so immense that this will also push the nations apart.

So would the election of Mr Cameron, a diehard Unionist, actually help bring about the break-up of the Union?

Peter Lynch, a senior lecturer in politics at Stirling University, believes this might be the case, although he also is wary enough of the complexities of the situation to insist that nothing can be guaranteed.

He said: "If you were to construct the perfect scenario for Alex Salmond to win his referendum on independence, a Conservative government at Westminster would be part of the picture."

However, he added that the situation presented "a lot of variables which is very difficult to predict". Mr Lynch said the biggest problem was trying to work out how the Tories would approach the constitutional question and, particularly, the work of the Scottish Constitutional Commission, which is looking at more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

If the Conservatives were in power at Westminster and resisted the work of the commission, blocking more powers for Holyrood, this would play into Mr Salmond's hands.

But equally, if the commission recommended some form of fiscal autonomy, handing the parliament almost complete control over tax in Scotland, this could give Mr Salmond more power while not actually opening the door to independence.

Professor John Curtice, an elections expert from Strathclyde University, said it was impossible to predict how a UK Tory government would react to demands for a referendum in Scotland.

However, he added that there was evidence that a swing against Labour in the UK as a whole may benefit Nationalists in Scotland.

"At the moment, the polls are suggesting the Tories will not do particularly well in Scotland. If there is an anti-Labour vote in Scotland, it should be going to the Nationalists," he said.

In the 1970s, Prof Curtice said, the SNP did well out of the presence of a Conservative government in Westminster but, after Margaret Thatcher's victory in 1979, the SNP vote dwindled.

However, like Mr Lynch, Prof Curtice said everything hinged on the attitude of a Tory government to the constitution and to the Scottish Constitution Commission.

"It depends on how the Tories decide to play it and we don't know how they are going to play it," he said.

Mr Salmond and Mr Cameron have never met, at least formally. A spokesman said they may have bumped into each other in the Commons, but not officially as party leaders.

Although it might suit Mr Salmond's long-term aim of independence for the Tories to win the next General Election, the First Minister has refused to support this premise, preferring to make it clear he would like to see a hung parliament after the next election.

He said yesterday: "I think a balanced parliament is much likely than an overall majority for either Labour or the Conservatives.

"The reason for that is obvious, when you look back to the 1960s, Labour and the Tories dominated the Commons, they had 620 or so of the MPs.

"Now, whatever way this cuts, even if the Liberals go back a bit and if we get the 20 or more (seats] we are hoping for, there is going to be almost 100 from the other parties in the Commons."

Mr Salmond refused to say whether he would prefer to see Gordon Brown or Mr Cameron in Downing Street, describing them as "Tweedledum and Tweedledee".

The First Minister said he had had more in common with Labour than the Tories in the past, but he was prepared to work on an issue-by-issue basis with any party to get a better deal for Scotland.

He added: "I am always prepared to do business with anybody who is democratically elected by the people."

So were his aides any more indiscreet? Did anybody hear the popping of champagne corks at SNP headquarters last Friday as the extent of Labour's defeat became clear?

"We only open champagne when we win," said an overly diplomatic SNP manager, before adding, with perhaps a touch of regret: "And then only sparingly."

The anger which the SNP used to reserve for the Tories is still reflected in an official prohibition on the party ever getting involved in a formal coalition government with the Conservatives.

But that almost obsessive level of antipathy has faded with receding memories of the Thatcher government and as SNP activists have woken up to the potential advantages of a Conservative government at Westminster.

Last week's elections have served to clarify the subtle change to the dynamics of SNP-Tory politics.

In the past, the two parties had nothing in common. Now, they share an interest in the decline of the Labour Party – they both stand to prosper from Mr Brown's woes.

That is probably enough to ensure, at the very least, an invitation for Mr Cameron to visit Mr Salmond in Bute House in the not-too-distant future.

Majority of peers say devolution has fuelled nationalism and damaged the Union

FOUR out of five peers believe that the Labour government's programme of devolution has damaged the Union, according to a new poll.

Labour argued that the establishment of the Scottish Parliament and assemblies in Northern Ireland and Wales would see off separatist forces by giving an outlet to legitimate demands for Britain's nations to govern their own affairs.

But with the Scottish National Party governing at Holyrood and Plaid Cymru in coalition with Labour in Cardiff, a large majority of peers questioned for the poll said they believed the opposite outcome had resulted.

Some 60 per cent of a cross-party "peers panel" questioned by Dods Polling said that establishing the devolved institutions over the past decade had boosted nationalism slightly, and a further 20 per cent said it had done so greatly.

Among those who felt nationalism had been fuelled by devolution were 75 per cent of Labour peers and 50 per cent of Liberal Democrats – the two parties that pushed through the legislation. Just 11 per cent of members of the House of Lords questioned for the survey said the process had strengthened the Union.

The level of concern about the impact of devolution was one of the most eye-catching findings from the first-ever Dods peers panel, published on the website epolitix.com today.

Other findings included 59 per cent support among peers for a selective amnesty allowing illegal immigrants to earn British citizenship and stay in the UK. Just over one-third of members of the second chamber said no such amnesty should be granted.

About half agreed that the government should make laws that would require supermarkets to price alcohol "responsibly", against 34 per cent who said it should not.

And 57 per cent backed Chancellor Alistair Darling's decision announced last year to tax non-domiciled residents £30,000 per year, against 34 per cent who opposed it.

• Dods Polling interviewed 155 members of the House of Lords between 6 March and 27 March this year online and by post.



The full article contains 1414 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Angus Ogg,

04/05/2008 22:45:20

Well with this evening's announcement that Wendy Alexander has made the big u-turn and is now backing a referendum on Independence, it seems that there has been a seismic groundshift on all tectonic plates that will make politics in Scotland VERY interesting for the next couple of years.

Though not wanting to pour cold water on any celebrations, my bet is that the Independence vote will stop short of the full thing, and go midway to some form of federal statehood.

I realise this is not what a lot of folk want, but as a relatively floating voter myself, I just cannot see day to day electors going for the Full Monty on this one, no matter how good Alex Salmond proves the SNP to be at governing, and no matter how bad Labour and the Conservatives get.
2

Richardinho,

05/05/2008 00:22:21
I wouldn't be too sure about the effect of a tory govt in england. I think the tories might be a lot more savy at handling the SNP than Labour have been. Certainly that is the experience within Holyrood.
3

subrosa,

05/05/2008 00:22:53
It's dreadful to have articles such as these magnify the fact that Scotland is controlled by another country and its politics.

Equality? They don't know the meaning of the word.
4

Senga Jean,

05/05/2008 00:50:21
Let's kid on the SNP like the Tories? Aye right and then we'll call them the tartan tories and even though they are a million miles apart it will alienate them from the people of Scotland and Labour will sneak back into power on the slime trail of the Lib/Dems. Duh!
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Sanny,

05/05/2008 01:00:17
Let’s get something clear! The Westminster government did not introduce devolution willingly; it was forced on them by the Council of Europe under pain of sanctions by Europe. The conditions of the so called Union were in flagrant contradiction of the conditions required for membership of the EU. See the Scottish-UN Committee Papers. It would seem the Peer’s are, yet again, talking from their nether regions – as usual.

Devolution was the minimum that Tony Blair could get away with, without incurring the wrath of Europe. Self determination of a nation is guaranteed by the UN charter. All the rest is simply chatter and noise.


Devolution was the minimum that Tony Blair could get away with, without incurring the wrath of Europe. Self determination of a nation is guaranteed by the UN charter. All the rest is simply chatter and noise.
6

James Annand,

05/05/2008 01:08:36
Ahhh....straight out of the makey uppy handbook of hootsman journalism.

When all else fails, create a bit of 'news' linking the Tories and the SNP in some way. If possible include 'an insider close to *insert member of SNP hierarchy here* said that...'
7

Al Ford,

Insch 05/05/2008 01:17:48
Angus Ogg's view is, of course, very sensibly cautious, as are the people of Scotland, but . . . we're talking about uncharted territory here. We entered upon it only hours ago when Scottish Labour's supposedly principled opposition to an independence referendum collapsed.

Now we actually know that there is going to be such a referendum at some point in the foreseeable future. This in itself will put the matter in a different light for many people and concentrate their minds wonderfully.

Nothing concentrates the mind so well as the prospect of a hanging, especially when it is not clear who is going to end up dangling at the end of the rope.
8

catgut,

pomona 05/05/2008 01:26:46
At the end of the day a referendum or its result has nothing to do with a tory government in london. Scotland are sovereign people it would be illegal to prevent their will.
I do admit though that legality is not something that has concerned the british state much in recent years.

Poor old wendy she is now spinning out of control as she goes down the plug hole.
9

Jimmy the Pie,

05/05/2008 07:31:32
#9 catgut, pomona Fitlike?


Best tele for a while watching Comrade Broon being hammered by Adam Boulton, then watching Red Wendy making a fool of herself. Oh happy days. (mind you Red Wendy makes a fool of herself everytime she opens her mooth!)
10

Kenny A,

05/05/2008 07:52:03
A chest beating nationalist I be, however to reflect on Angus at #1 comments I think he has got it correct. Westminister will not allow Scotland to go its own way and that is due to a great extent to fear. A lot of people in Scotland will also not go for independence and again that is due to fear.

A federal system while not idea may well be an acceptable compramise in the smedium term, it works well in Germany for example. It would certainly be better than this devolution, North Brition, Region nonsense that Westminister is spewing out.

The chances of it happening are however slim, new oil of West Shetland and stacks of the stuff in deep waters of the Hebridies for example. No folks Westminister will not have the courage to trust us, we may make a success of it and that would not reflect well on them.
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Kenny A,

05/05/2008 07:53:10
Sorry for the typos, not good at typing.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 05/05/2008 08:23:00
These Peers seem to have forgotten that Scottish and Welsh Devolution was not the first such form of government in the UK?

In 1921, after the Partition of Ireland, for political, military, and then geographical reasons, the British Government established the first bicameral system of devolved government in Northern Ireland with an Upper House: the Senate, and Lower House: of Commons.

In 1932, King George and Queen Mary, with much pomp and circumstance, carried out the first State Opening of the Northern Ireland Parliament when it moved into its new parliament building at Stormont!

It is disingenous of this group of Peers to claim that
the devolved systems of unicameral devolved government introduced under the Scotland and Wales Acts, and the newly reconvened power-sharing Northern Ireland Assembly are a threat to the Union?

Without these constitutional changes it is highly unlikely that the Union would have survived much longer in the 21st Century.




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James.com,

Clifton 05/05/2008 09:27:21
My enemy's enemy is my friend usually works in Politics -which is not noted for it's principles!
14

whitegold,

Shire 05/05/2008 09:29:42
"If the Conservatives were in power at Westminster and resisted the work of the commission, blocking more powers for Holyrood, this would play into Mr Salmond's hands.

But equally, if the commission recommended some form of fiscal autonomy, handing the parliament almost complete control over tax in Scotland, this could give Mr Salmond more power while not actually opening the door to independence."

I think essential fiscal autonomy is necessary (and I'm glad this is beginning to be recognised) - whether that is under the umbrella of independence or not. This should certainly be on the table in any referendum - the status quo is no longer an option.
15

Queen D,

Glasgow 05/05/2008 09:38:07
Senga Jean has got it in one!
The article is doing its best to associate the SNP with the Tory Government, the one that Scotland hated by and large!
I am old enough to remember the Labour DISASTER before the Thatcher Government and the economical mess she inherited.
She really could'nt be blamed for ALL our woes, they were well and truly in the bag BEFORE she came to power.
Now , I can't remember when sh was shoved out of office, but it is a looong time ago and New Labour have had eleven years to sort out anything the Tories did, failure to do so is spectacular.
Their inability to listen to the needs of their employers is also spectacular.
Thier ability to feather their own nests is absolutely spectacular! ( Forgive me , but I have'nt got over the fact that we paid for T Blairs TV licence and G Browns Skye TV , God how that irks!!)
I hear St Tony is up for the top job in Europe, can we, the people, stop him ?
16

donald anderson it's me,

05/05/2008 09:53:04
At least the Tories admit that they are Tories. Whilst Labour ...
17

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/05/2008 10:18:16
Alex Salmond is a hypocrit of the filthiest order.
18

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 05/05/2008 11:17:26
After watching Brown on various tv stations spouting the same old crap, I had forgotten what a lowlife he is. He is a nutter through and through, he wont resign ever,he is going to have to be dragged of screaming to the Loony farm.

I dont mean that as a humerous jibe, I am dead serious, he is a loon surrounded by sycophants who are damned if they get rid of him and damned if they dont. The likes of Milliband wont put himself forward. Not because he fears Brown, but more that he is positioning himself for the following election after the Tories have been in under Cameron the public schoolboy. Milliband is anything except silly, and would be the sharpest of a blunt bunch.

As for settling for Devolution Max. It would have to include the oil money. We scots are going to have oil for at least 40 years. This time in our history is probably the unique ideal time for Scots to take control of the Scottish Country. Some may think 40 years is a long time, but they would be wrong. To rebuild our Society and repair the mess that New Slavour has left it in will take at the very minimum two generations. Even then there would be so much more to follow. We can only achieve it if we grow our economy, using the Oil income as a springboard to a sustainable self generating Scotland. Have a look at the German Economy as an example of a country that had to be completely rebuilt. They lost the war but thrived out of desparation, they had no choice. It was sink or swim. Yes they received a considerable amount of foreign investment, but they used it smartly.

That is the only road that Scotland can follow if it is really serious about fixing the evils of the past. Scots pride is a thing that is already coming back, I see it you see it everyday. The Scottish Cringe of lack of self respect is very similar to the Russian System before the collapse. Unless you were in the elite of society, you did not give a shoite. Apathy and crime was a result of a dog eat dog society. That is where ce
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 05/05/2008 11:18:52
That is where certain troublespots in Scotland are coming from. What made Slavour party brown envelope merchants. The exact same mental outlook I described above. Why are there so many unionists in Scotland who want their own kind to wallow in shoite. Again it is the same outlook.

No I am sorry ,I think compromise is not the way forward, we simply cant afford it.
20

Sedov,

Scotland 05/05/2008 11:24:58
No surprise here of course as the SNP really are the Tartan Tories. But really, looking at all the main parties, you could not get a razor blade between their policies as they are all much about the same. The only thing different about the SNP is that they have got an independence label stuck on their very modest programme of mild reforms and they flatter to deceive and will solve nought in the long run. The Tories, of course, are wolves in sheep clothing and would be another disaster for Scotland even worse than Labour if they got in again... and the theory that the threat of Tories would help the SNP is grossly exaggarated. The Lib Dems are .... gosh..... I'm away for a pint and a game of darts to cheer me up.
21

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 05/05/2008 11:26:50
David Cameron has already adopted the 'Green' image because it is cool and modern. The Tories are abandoning the old wartime stiff-upper-lip Britishness. It is old hat. The other zeitgeist in England is the flag of St George and Englishness. Cameron will steer his party to that.

Britishness is a Labour icon because only they need it to keep Scotland and Wales in the game at Westminster to boost the numbers for Labour. The union was never anything they believed in. It was never the Labour and Unionist Party. But it was the Conservative and Unionist Party. Unionism to the English is a sentimental attachment of a bygone age. Street parties with bunting and Dad's Army. There is such a large part of Labour's English vote where Scotland is a distant country of which they know little. The West Indies, Pakistan and Bangladesh is of more relevance to their culture.
And Labour's socialist origins meant they were always antipathetic to British symbols and institutions. "Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer we'll keep the Union flag flying here" Don't make me boak. Labour's fondness for the union comes only from political necessity and self interest.
22

Edward,

05/05/2008 12:26:22
Intersting article, but then again it has been 'written' by Hamish MacDonnell, who famously rechurns Labour breifings
It seems that Labour have been busy over the weekend in trying to deflect the complete an utter drubbing they got in England and Wales on May 1st
Now Gordon or his successor have two bodies that he will not work with , the Scottish Government and no the London Assembly
If you read the above article carefully its just all speculation and hear say, there is not one piece of substive quotes being atributed
The relaity of the matter is that in Scotland we shouldnt really be bothered what happens in Westminster as long as who ever it is starts to work in a possitive manner towards Scotland. So far thats not happened under Labour. Whats important is that Scotland gets on with its life and if there is a general election called, that everyone of us, votes in an SNP MP, that way we are guaranteed of being listened to and being taken more seriously
23

John PM,

Edinburgh 05/05/2008 12:39:46
There's no difference between Labour and the Tories so Salmond's comments were spot on. If Labour hadn't sold their political soul they would have more in common with the SNP.

Still at least they have (eventually) taken the right line on a referendum. They would never have got away with voting a bill down and I'm pleased they have finally realised that fact.

Independence is normality. It's going to happen and that's why Scots don't need to worry too much about a future Tory Government.
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05/05/2008 13:29:00
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Geoff,

sa 05/05/2008 13:38:20
24 Huntlyloon-I disagree with your analysis-too many generalisations. The actual picture is more complex.

1 Angus Ogg-Good Day Angus. I enjoy your posts and increasingly find myself on the same page. There was an interesting programme about Yugoslavia on the telly last week in which various former Yugoslavs lamented the passing of their Union. If the UK ever were to breakup I am sure it would be 'velvet divorce' style but the fractured mess that is the former Yugoslavia does i think bear reflection. I really try to look at the UK situation with my head and judge the Uni-Nat case-my heart is and always will be Unionist. There are sound arguments on both sides but the Nationalists have articulated their argument well-dare I say seductively so i can see how they have gathered converts. Unionists need to make a positive case for the UK-I think that a Federal system is the way forward. We will never reach a position where all are satisfied but a looser Union I think would win majority support
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Geoff,

sa 05/05/2008 13:55:00
24 Huntlyloon-more specifically,Ted Heath once said he felt more in common with James Callaghan than many in his own party. Opinions and ideologies in the Labour and tory parties were always on a right-left continuum. Labour had many Empire men in Westminster and on the ground-they were never all RedFlag trotskyites! Also you say many in England regard"Scotland as a distant country" Swop England and Scotland in that statement and there could be equal truth altho again I do not think such opinions represent more than a small minority either side of the border.
Labours fondness for the Union comes only from political necessity-again I think this a meaningless generalisation in the same category as you see Tory englishmen as St.George flag waving Colonel Blimps.
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Truely English,

05/05/2008 13:55:39
It was not difficult to predict that the Conservatives would make considerable progress last Thursday with the poor showing of the Labour Party in England since Gordon Brown came into Office.
One would indeed need to be deaf and blind to think anything else would happen. Indeed some think that Gordon Brown is a closet Nationalist who is trying to undermine the Union from the centre of power is oh so many small but important ways.

The time has now come to have an English Labour leader who will not forsake the people in Scotland and uphold our precious Union, Queen, Britain and our English values.
28

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit, Scotland 05/05/2008 13:56:04
Who the hell cares what a "poll of peers in the House of Lords" thinks? They are totally unelected and therefore have zero moral authority to speak about anything.
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RobG,

Edinburgh 05/05/2008 14:42:16
Perhaps Wendy wants the referendum to take place before David Cameron's Bullington Club Cabinet, once elected with a landslide in 2010 (yes, they will be, I'm sorry to say), antagonise and irritate Scots so much, that hordes of the "Unsure'' become favourable to independence.
With the Tories in Westminster, and the SNP up here, a yes,yes,yes vote is pretty much guaranteed. In any debate, Salmond or Sturgeon will run rings around Cameron and co. partly because Cameron will struggle to avoid making arrogant yet ignorant sneers defending the positions he is obliged to take by his EveningStandard/
Daily Mail/Sun -reading electorate.
New Labour know their turn is nearly over, and know the Tory buffoons will f*** up the Union, once they are in power in London.
Wendy's calls for a referendum now are simply the spoiling tactics of a rearguard action,
Perhaps she is 'visioning' the 2020 elections, next time the Newer Labour Party might again be in contention, if Scottish independence can be stymied. Without the Scottish 'fortresses', Labour will never again win power in England.
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Scotsman in Dublin,

05/05/2008 15:47:38
I agree with some of the previous comments that this artice is an attempt by the NorthBritMan to associate the SNP and the Tories. This is not the first time that Labour and its rags have tried this tactic and it wont be the last.

Today for the first time I really believe that the referendum on independance will go ahead in 2010. As Alex has said "I would woe betide the unionist parties if they stand on a platform of denying the Scottish people self-determination". I think that the unionists are in a corner and if they oppose the referendum they know that the Scottish people will turn on them in the next election so they need to take the risk.

Bear in mind that if the 2010 referendum goes ahead it will be the FIRST time in Scotlands history that its people will have had the opportunity to vote on the union.
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A Reasonable Voice,

05/05/2008 15:47:43
Really, with the little differences between New Labour and the Cameron Conservatives, and given the staunch Unionism of the Tory party, do we really think that Cameron and company are not going to do all that is possible to preserve the Union? Now I'm in favor of the Union, and I don't see that a Tory government in London equals full out independence for Scotland. In order to keep Scotland in the fold, Scotland will need to be given a fre-er hand to manage her own affairs.

This might not be the definite march toward independence that SNP supporters think it might be.

I am personally hoping for a hung parliament myself, and that the Tories and Lib Dems are the ones who have to cooperate. The Lib Dems are the main Unionist party who have at least tried to promote some kind of federalism, as well as proportional representation.

Annabel Goldie was right: a minority administration in Edinburgh is good for the Tory party!
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Geoff,

sa 05/05/2008 16:10:54
32 RobG-Labour will never again win power in England!-"Never" is a long time Rob!
"There wont be a black government in power in Rhodesia in my lifetime"Ian Douglas Smith.
"NEVER NEVER NEVER!" Rev Ian Paisley
34 A Reasonable Voice-good post
35 ptdoug-I think you should enjoy the moment doug but I wouldnt be as sure as you of the outcome. Your kind of triumphalism and contempt for those of a different opinion going through hard times at present, is precisely the kind of arrogant and dismissive attitude more likely to turn people off and harden attitudes.
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Andrew D,

Brisbane 05/05/2008 17:23:08
This is a shocker. There is NOWHERE where the SNP talk about who they would prefer in power. It's a load of journalistic bull to try and make out that the SNP are "Tartan Tories" with no basis in fact.

The only mentions explicitly from the SNP are that either way it doesn't matter, Labour or Tory or that Labour are historically easier to work with.

Yet somehow the SNP are cosying up to the Tories and then you can throw in words like "obsessive" to describe the SNP.

Ugh.

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Senga Jean,

Scotland the land of the free ? 05/05/2008 17:43:42
Let's kid on the SNP like the Tories? Aye right and then we'll call them the tartan tories and even though they are a million miles apart it will alienate them from the people of Scotland and Labour will sneak back into power on the slime trail of the Lib/Dems. DUH!
36

GM,

05/05/2008 20:11:35
@40

good post -
The scotsman loves to drag up an old "Tory/SNP" love relationship.

When are they going to actually realise that the public now see through all these charades?
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 05/05/2008 21:04:02
So what is the Labour party for these days? What reason do we have to entrust them with our votes now?

Vote Labour...get Tories - that's what would happen at the next General Election.

Nah, Scotland has come too far down the road now...I say we break from the London & unionist mantra.
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MartinR,

Inverness 05/05/2008 21:10:57
What the article fails to mention is that ideologically much of the SNP is closer to the Tories than Labour. Independence aside, both favour subsidies to the middle classes ('free' prescription drugs, no tuition fees for students) and both opposed the majority of Labour's measures to help the working poor over the past decade or so (minimum wage, european social chapter, tax credits, etc).

But as Dr Lynch and others point out, its difficult to predict how a Conservative govt in Westminster might 'handle' an SNP administration....and how the Scottish public will rect
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 05/05/2008 22:08:39
Any alliance between Scottish Nationalists and members of the Conservative and UNIONIST parties reeks of political expediency of the very worst kind and should be seen for what it is - a SHAM.

Here we have two creeds of diametrically opposed standpoints ganging up on a political opponent in a way that smacks of pure unadulterated hypocrisy. Both parties stink and should be ashamed of themselves and I hope the honourable members within each party stand up and be counted. If not then let the electorate be reminded of their alliance come next polling day big time.
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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 05/05/2008 23:37:37
#46
What alliance is this you are talking about? ('reminded of their alliance') Did you even read the article?

Your post is an amazing display of pure ignorance.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 06/05/2008 01:27:16
Listen up, Hamish MacDonnell and the Scotsman, part of the above article stated, as follows:

"Majority of peers say devolution has fuelled nationalism and damaged the Union"

'FOUR out of five peers believe that the Labour government's programme of devolution has damaged the Union, according to a new poll'.

Now let us get this straight, once and for all!!

Firstly, it is no longer proper to call them the Labour party, their real name is NEW LABOUR PARTY! people must NEVER forget that name!

Secondly,and I am tired of repeating myself, and although New Labour try and claim the set up of devolution as their baby,let us get down to facts NOT fiction.

Neither Blair nor Brown wanted a devolved administration for Scotland, but they were dragged kicking and screaming to do so by the European Commission as they had found Westminster to have been governing Scotland in an illegal way, in a quasi-colonial fashion which was causing barriers to breakaway countries, brought about by the collapse of communism within Europe, wanting to apply for membership to the European Union.

So,although as usual, New Labour try to make capital out of something they were being forced to do by Brussels,if they had not done so, they were being threatened by sanctions, and what an embarrassment THAT would have been!!


 

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