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Published Date: 19 September 2008
HUNDREDS of British heart attack patients are to take part in an experiment that could shed light on what happens when people die.
Researchers plan to test claims of out-of-body experiences made by some of those who have come close to death.

The three-year study, by an international team of doctors and scientists at 25 hospitals in the UK and the US, will examine 1,500 survi
vors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can actually have such experiences.

Some people claim to remember looking down from the ceiling at their body and medical staff working. Therefore scientists will set up special high shelving in resuscitation areas, placing pictures which can only be seen from above.

Doctors will use scanners to analyse survivors' brain activity and consciousness during cardiac arrest and also ask if patients can recall the pictures.

Dr Sam Parnia, from the University of Southampton, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

If no-one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are illusions or false memories.

"If you talk to patients and doctors, you often find patients have given very accurate accounts of things such a doctor walking across a room, knocking out a drip and swearing.

"Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific moment. It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working and the brain ceases functioning – a medical condition termed cardiac arrest.

"During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present. There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

"What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to experience during the dying process."

Previous research suggests 10 to 20 per cent of people who live through cardiac arrest recall events during their encounter with death.

Caroline Watt, senior lecturer at the Koestler Parapsychology Unit at the University of Edinburgh, said: "The problem with near-death experiences is that we are just going on a person's report.

"Some critics may be sceptical, dismissing their descriptions as being due to oxygen deprivation. However, what Dr Parnia is doing is putting an obstacle in people's way to find out if they are leaving their body or not.

"I'm very interested in this study, but my main concern is about how narrow a description of the 'hidden' photos would be allowed. Also, I'm concerned about who would have access to the photos and the publicity which will leak out in advance about them."

Testimonies of the nearly dead

MEETING A CLOSE RELATIVE

In April 1988, Lloyd Haymon had a near-death experience while having a heart attack.

"At my feet was my younger brother who had died of cancer. He is shaking his head as if to say 'no… no it is not your time'. I suddenly feel a great sense of peace… of just pure peace and I know I am not going to die.

"I actually hear the paramedic closest to me say 'he's back'."

TRAVELLING IN TIME

Mark Horton describes his out-of-body experience on New Year's Eve 1992 while on a ventilator after kidney failure.

"I have a vague, very vague recollection of looking down on a body in a bed with tubes and machines.

"Suddenly dusk became blazing daylight… I was pure intellect… I had merely to think of a place and time and I was there."

MEETING GOD?

René was in a coma for more than ten days following a horrific car crash in 1982.

"I was moving head first through a dark maelstrom of what looked like black boiling clouds.

"I arrived in a room… standing before a man in his 30s, 6ft tall, wearing a white robe.

He said: "You must return, you have a task to perform."





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  • Last Updated: 18 September 2008 9:38 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/09/2008 01:10:37


"claims of out-of-body experiences made by some of those who have come close to death."

Don't need any "Claims"

I the Claimant experience this, out-of-body phenomena everyday, after reading Boy Wonders comments. :))
2

somerferg,

perth 19/09/2008 01:34:06

Oh Charlie talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!
3

Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 19/09/2008 03:17:16
It all sounds like hogwash to me, but if somebody actually sees the pictures I will ceratinly eat my words.
4

Lanna,

19/09/2008 03:19:47
Why wait until people have heart attacks. Why don't these scientists cause each other to have medical induced heart attacks, then they can record the data, and medically revive each other before any threat of brain damage....wait wasn't that a film with Keifer Sutherland?
5

Richardinho,

19/09/2008 05:58:53
Some how I doubt anyone will see the pictures up on the cupboards.
6

Boy Wonder,

19/09/2008 06:10:50
My late father told me he had seen himself from above after his second heart attack. And he was an out and out disbeliever in these kinds of phenomena all his life. Did it change his views? Not a bit of it ... but he became just that wee bit more open to argument thereafter.

It is of course possible to believe in some form of life after the body dies without the need for inventing gods of any kind!
7

Unimpressed one,

19/09/2008 07:53:29
#6, Quite right. We don't invoke religion to explain why we function in life, why should we be dependant on it after death. The anecdotal evidence for some sort of survival is overwhelming. The weak link here is the scientific method which is useless at investigating life after death experiences.
8

hertscot,

19/09/2008 08:25:00
How can a near death experience tell you what happens when you die? Surely you would really need to die to experience death?
By death I mean you ain't coming back, and if you dont come back, how do you describe what it was like?
All anyone will find out is how the brain reacts to being close death, which from most description seems to be a dream state.

#6 "The weak link here is the scientific method which is useless at investigating life after death experiences", with the best will in the world we still cant talk to the dead, anecdotal evidence is given by the living, as they describe the brains reaction to a physical event.
There is no evidence for life after death, except that the atoms that we are composed of, still stay around.
9

danbob,

19/09/2008 08:28:04
This is what the bible says about death.

For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun. (Ecclesiastes chapter 9 - verse 5)
10

Richard Lionheart,

19/09/2008 08:38:14
April 1st already.

We spotted it a mile away Scotsman.
11

Richard Lionheart,

19/09/2008 08:39:20
On a serious note. How many millions of Lottery funding are they getting for this one?
12

FTH22inarow,

19/09/2008 08:46:24
lights out, that's yer lot, millions saved.
13

Brodric,

19/09/2008 08:47:28
"If no-one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are illusions or false memories."

OH really! Ask a policeman about witnesses at the scene of an accident. They don't always see the same thing - and they are conscious.

Imagine the shock to find yourself "dead" (whatever that means) and outside looking at your body. You aren't going to have time to think about checking out the room's decoration.

Dead person having OOBE (out of body experience) "Oh my, what a nice shade of green they have in this room. Wait a minute, look at that picture, is it a Van Gogh? No time to check....oooo, going back...."
14

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 19/09/2008 10:45:15
Good morning, Lanna.

Where hast thou been?

I sometimes have "out of body experiences" whenst having overindulged in "wee drams" or a good Shiraz or copious gin and tonics in the summer - Bombay gin only with Schweppes tonic water and a slice of lime and three icecubes.

I suddenly have this GREAT thirst - for COFFEE! It is 5:48 a.m. here in Canada. Time for fairtrade, organic, shade grown Columbian java. Yum, yum.

Maybe I will "enhance" it will a good glug of brandy.
15

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 19/09/2008 11:03:03
Born, died, worms, dust or ashes, your choice.

#1,
Day by day, you appear to be more obsessed by the goings on of BW and his comments and it is no longer funny. Please seek help.

Lanna #4,

Hi babe, perhaps they could just ask for volunteers :0)
16

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 19/09/2008 11:29:40
If people really are brain dead and they do see the afterlife, how come their dead brain is able to remember it when they are brought back to life?
17

wheels5894,

19/09/2008 12:26:44
The only problem with this is that experiences are not death but near-death and thus tell us nothing but how the stressed brain reacts.

incidentally, researchers in the US found that a does at the anaesthetic agent ketamine can induce these experiences too so this is not all that special.
18

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19/09/2008 12:29:20
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Sedov,

Scotland 19/09/2008 12:50:11
If this helps science to overcome heart problems then I support it. But I was told at school that all good people go to heaven when they die and if they are wicked they will go to hell. Looking forward to meeting auld Nick
20

Unimpressed one,

19/09/2008 13:04:13
#11, Well that's that sorted then.
21

Upandunder,

19/09/2008 14:04:19
Rubbish. When we die, that is it. Finito.

Humans are brain, heart, lungs, liver, bones etc. Same as dogs, cats, elephants, badgers etc etc etc.

We have no more right to think we live beyond death than other living organisms. Truth is humankind's advanced intellect has prompted us to develop an arrogance that says we have life after death.

Total complete cr*p. People should perhaps think more about living for today rather than worry about something in the future that's simply not going to happen.
22

danbob,

19/09/2008 16:04:53
24# I would be tempted to agree with your comments about living for today. The problem is though that this living for today attitude is creating a world that is not worth living in for a lot of folk. The latest HBOS debuncle was caused by money loving spivs living for today, and to hell with all caught underfoot.
23

santa cova,

19/09/2008 20:32:17
I am glad that I have the gift of faith in a life after death.I may have got it all wrong but I really believe that death is not the end.However i feel that it is much easier to believe that death is the end,but for me that theory would depress.
24

Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 19/09/2008 21:51:45
Can you just imagine if this was all there was to us?
I tremble at the thought of it.There just has to be more!
25

danbob,

19/09/2008 23:41:04
26 & 27# Why not find out what is in the bible regarding life after death. If you have any faith you may be surprised at the truth.
26

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 20/09/2008 05:19:09
#26, #27,

Don't take our word for it, .... Jump!, .... Jump!
27

Lanna,

20/09/2008 06:59:17
#16 Hi Tim,
I'm doing well, all in all, thank you. My absence has been influenced by a terrible head-on car smash that as left me a wee bit injured...not bad enough to float up to see any piccies, thankfully. :/ :)
Thanks for the chuckle re: your 'out of body experience';....me, I'm always one for an "Irish coffe" :)

#29 Weeshooie,
naughty, naughty... :)
28

Gavyn,

Baltimore 24/09/2008 15:28:59
To find the answers about death we must reason what is the Spirit? In the Bible the word "Spirit" translated basically means "breath". For ex: (James 2:26)says "The body without spirit is dead". Hence the spirit is that which animates the body.This animating force cannot simply be the breath, or air moving through the lungs Why? Beacause when the breath stops, life remains in the cells for several minutes, Accrd. to The World Book Encyclopedia. But once spark of life is extinguished from cell to body all efforts to restore life is futile. All the breath in the world cannot revive even one cell. So The spirit, then, is the invisible life force that keeps the cells alive. This life-force is sustained by breathing. (Job 34:14,15)
Well, What about others who have died? The condition of the dead are made clear at (Ecclesiates 9:5,6,10) where we read: "The dead are conscious of nothing at all... there love, hate, jealousy have already perished." Also in (Psalms 146:4) "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish." So we are mortal we do not survive death of our body. The life we enjoy is like the flame of a candle. When the flame is put out, it does not go anywhere. Its simply gone.
A SURE HOPE The Bible say "The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tomb will hear [Jesus] voice and come out." Yes Jesus promised all those in Jehovah God's memory will be resurrected or brought to life. (Revelation 21:3,4) "...death will be no more, nor outcry nor pain be anymore the former things have pass away.
Even in a trouble world, you can gain happiness from accurate Bible knowledge of God, his kingdom, and his wonderful purpose for mankind. If you would like more info or someone visit you to conduct a free Bible study, Please write to Jehovah's Witnesses, 25 Columbia Heights, Broklyn, NY 11201-2483.
29

Penny F,

Arizona 24/09/2008 16:53:51
To the non believers-This question is easily answered if you actually take the time to open a Bible and read it. Go to 1 Corinthians 15:35-49 The topic is "A Glorious Body" Seems pretty simple to me. Duh! Who needs experiments.
30

thibor,

musselburgh 25/09/2008 10:24:08

What happens after "death"?.............well I think that all depends on the tissue of deceit spun by the living representatives your own personal "God", if you are prone to believing in any form of that superstitious nonsense that passes for religeon. Personally speaking I would be more worried about "presumed consent" and hovering over my mortal coil whilst watching some over zealous legalized bodysnatcher harvesting my bits whether in life I had approved of this henious, amoral, unethical, barbarity or not.

 

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