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Sporran's fate dangling after seal-fur ban call



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Published Date: 24 July 2008
THE traditional sporran, which has been part of Highland dress for centuries, could be under threat because of proposals to ban the trade in seal pelts.
Stavros Dimas, the European environment commissioner, yesterday announced plans to bring in a total import ban on products derived from seals that have been killed in a cruel way.

The move was welcomed by animal rights groups and the government, which say it is the only way to put a stop to the inhumane slaughter of seals.

However, manufacturers of traditional Highland dress believe it could spell disaster for the sporran – the vast majority of which are made from seal skin.

Ian Chisholm, who owns a Highland dress business in Inverness, estimates 70 per cent of the dress sporrans it sells are made from seal pelts, and believes a ban would put an end to part of Scotland's heritage. "I think it would be very sad," he said. "Seal skin has been a traditional skin used by the Highlanders for many years. It would be a sad day for the Scotsman if we lost the use of seal skin."

He said the ban would lead to the production of all-leather or synthetic sporrans. "They never have the same appearance or feel to them," he said. "Seal skin suits the look of the Highland dress because of its coloration."

However, Ross Minett, the campaigns director at campaign group Advocates for Animals, believes it is high time the use of seal skin was stopped.

"The wearing of fur generally in Scotland is seen as unacceptable by the majority of the public," he said. "Sporrans are one of the few things where it's still seen as publicly acceptable to wear fur.

"I think most people aren't aware that sporrans in this country were made from seals clubbed in Canadian seal hunts."

Under the Brussels plan, trade in seal products would be allowed from countries that can guarantee their hunting techniques follow high welfare standards.

David Martin, a Scottish Labour MEP and animal rights campaigner, is worried the proposals do not go far enough. He said: "Having first called for this ban over 23 years ago when I visited the ice floes in Canada and witnessed the inhumane carnage which takes place during the annual cull, I am pleased the commission has at long last come forward with proposals for a ban in the trade in seal products.

"However, the proposals are open to abuse – much of the killing takes place in remote areas where effective monitoring of humane killing would be impractical."

A ban would need the backing of the EU's 27 governments and the European Parliament before it could take effect.

It could be the end for traditional sealskin sporrans
It could be the end for traditional sealskin sporrans
FACT BOX

BANNED sporran products include:

Badger heads: These were very popular in the military. The whole head was used, giving the sporran a ferocious look.

Wild cat heads: Wild cats were once common in the Highlands and their heads made popular sporrans. Now the animals are rare and protected.

Otter skin: Otters were popular for their silky pelt, which gave the sporran a beautiful sheen.

Arctic fox: The long fur made it a popular choice for taller men.

The full article contains 533 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 23 July 2008 11:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Maisie from Morningside,

24/07/2008 00:30:01
Don't panic!!!!

I'm sure they'll find other things to make sporrans out of.
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24/07/2008 00:32:32
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jerrymanders,

24/07/2008 00:47:02
I worry for the fish that are so cruelly eaten alive by the seals. As for krill.....BTW how many seal sympathisers wear leather?
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 24/07/2008 00:48:26
These are dress sporrans rather than day sporrans. Every Scotsman and Scots decendants should have one of each. It may move us back to when most kilt wearers wore a military (horsehair) sporran. Such a ban would not stop the culling of seals. It may mean an increase in price of seal skin as hunters will have to have firearms and expend ammunition with the occasional human casualty. The clubbing of seals is portrayed very emotionally as cruel and barbaric by people who are quite happy to have their steak or veal without any thought of where it came from. They would not dream of going into an abattoir. They enjoy eggs from battery hens, fried chicken from intensive farming and feed lot beef. They wear leather shoes carry leather handbags or briefcases and wear leather coats. Those who turn their nose up at this wear plastic and other synthetic materials that are killing the planet faster. People must get out of their concrete boxes and experience the real world.
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Allan(handofgod137),

24/07/2008 00:59:09
Time to start banning the animal rights nupties, or at the very least pass a law whereby they can volunteer to take the place of a lab animal.
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24/07/2008 02:07:35
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bring them on,

24/07/2008 02:07:40
Does anyone still buy a sporan these days?

Hardly a multi-million dollar trade....
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 24/07/2008 03:09:13
#7 Say Baa to your wife.

Will seal skins regurgitated by polar bears, killer whales and great white sharks be exempt from this ban?
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DunCraig,

Brisbane 24/07/2008 03:10:28
#7, you do put up a good argument for culling humans!
Seeing we're in the 'abuse' game, 7 = Sheepshagger
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indune1,

Canada 24/07/2008 03:13:22


Hmmmm - before the oh so righteous EU and its bloated bureaucrats get too self-congratulatory, I wonder what they have done about bull-fighting - now there is a cruel spectacle. Oh yes, how about the literal stuffing of geese for pate de fois gras?

By the way Horrible Cankers (what an appropriate moniker) the hunting of "baby seals" - otherwise known as "white coats" has been banned for years.

Ever been to Newfoundland? Do you know that the vast majority of sealers use rifles rather than the hakipik.

Oh yes, does anyone see the hypocrisy in the EU considering that our Inuit people maybe excluded from such a ban because the seal hunt is part of their native culture?

I thought it was all about cruelty. Anyway, enjoy your pate as you watch the bull slowly bleed to death to the roar and cheers of the crowd.

Euro hypocrites.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 24/07/2008 04:50:46
Oh what a beautiful morning. I see the righteous Wild Young Dirky (#7) didn't stay the course. Must be so difficult thinking up all those nasty names.
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Ceolmor,

Canada 24/07/2008 04:52:25
Let's see, no African Blackwood, Ivory, Bear skin,{Bonnets} Leopard skin, {Bass drummers eat youyr hearts out!}Seal skin, Calf or Pig skin pipe bags. That leaves us sheep wool and hide for pipe bags, and reeds, for chanters, {Plastic drone reeds are now common}.......and let's think..........oh horsehair for military sporans.........! Everything else is now plastic, the prodution of which leads to global warming!

Oh for the good old days when if it moved we killed it and if we could not eat it we would wear it.

A piper!
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 24/07/2008 05:24:59
#12 i hope that you dont think all kiwis are dichheads, and you leave our poor hard done by maories alone, they are probably the best treated native race anywhere in the world, and that includes scotsmen.
humane killing of seals should be allowed, those who use cruel methods should simply be hung
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Catharine,

winnipeg 24/07/2008 05:56:01
I want a sporran made out of PETA pelt - maybe one fashioned out of one of Pamela Anderson's reject silicon implants or the prosthetic limb of Heather Mills - hypocritical twonks! If you eat meat & eggs or wear leather, the discussion should be over. Dead is dead whether it's a cutsey wee seal, cuddly little lamb or a less-appealing cow, sheep, chicken or fish. Get over it. And STOP dragging up 25 year old footage of the white coat hunt. It doesn't happen anymore.
Wearing fur may not be in fashion in the gentler climes of Scotland, but you should try surviving a winter of -40° and colder without it. Synthetics just don't cut it.
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donald,

glasgow 24/07/2008 06:07:48
Busbies are made out of bearskin. Pipers tall bonnets are made out of black feathers.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 24/07/2008 06:20:46
Daft thing anyway.Time to stop this barbaric trade.
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overton,

balmedie 24/07/2008 06:39:25
It's time we had a seal cull round the coast of the UK - far to many of them now and they are hammering the salmon and sea trout in the estuaries.
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Boy Wonder,

24/07/2008 07:03:23
My sporran is made from cow leather and hair from a horse's tail. It was my grandad's days in the Army.

The simple answer is to use other materials. It doesn't have to be sealskin!

I agree with the ban.
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McHoot,

24/07/2008 07:04:12
Re "It would be sad day for Scotland if we lost the use of the sealskin" Aye but a happy day for the seals.
Dunny! What are you saying? We could make sporrans and hairy trews out of fartig moose skin, couldn't we? And those crazy antlers would look great in place of a wild cat head! You might impale a few people but if they were pro slaughter the animals meanies it wouldn't matter much.
Hey and leave the Kiwis alone. They are great people even if they do have a strange penchant for ovines.
(just kidding)
A propos of a previous story did you see that mass killer bathplug Slobadan Nastyvic has been caught in Serbia? The day he was caught we happened to see a DVD called the Hunting Party with Richard Gere which was exactlty the same story but fictionalised. Worth getting it out.
Be nice now, Dunny, even to the undeserving nincompoops and the bombastic ignorami.
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Kate,

Zurich 24/07/2008 07:31:27
This is not the death knell for sporrans, there are plenty of alternatives. We see boots, shoes and bags made from horse and pony hair, goat, dear and of course cow hide all over. Properly prepared any one of these is perfectly suitable.
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Kate,

Zurich 24/07/2008 07:31:43
Sorry should have written deer!
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Douglas,

Bathgate 24/07/2008 07:33:27
Now that the wild population has recovered to 1930's levels couldn't Haggis skin be used as a substitute?
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eric,

LOTHIAN 24/07/2008 07:48:21
maybe use margaret currans leather face!
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Nell,

Far from the Struan 24/07/2008 07:52:30
Make kilts with pockets.
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thinking,

Scotland 24/07/2008 07:53:58
I don't know what all the fuss is about. The traditionalists who wish to keep Scotland true to Scottish tradition should be happy at this as early sporrans weren't made of sealskin. This info is from the history of the sporran

'Early sporrans were made from leather or skin, both deerskin and calfskin proved particularly popular'
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cabrach loon,

inverness 24/07/2008 08:06:16
so what about those that die of natural causes but of course those townsfolk who make the rules do not know about milk veal and other things they eat, the EU madness throwing caught fish back because tey swam into the wrong net. The sooner Scotland is out of the EU and Union the better, model ourselves on Switzerland and things would be fine, good roads, railways, banking, chemicals, tourism, techlgy, hotels, education, medicine etc. plus fishing etc.
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Southsider once upon a time,

24/07/2008 08:08:12
As I read the article it says - a ban on products that have been derived from seals killed in a cruel way. this does not mean a complete ban on seal skins being traded.
I wear a seal skin sporran. I wear leather and eat meat. I am against cruelty to animals. No contradictions here; it is possible to avoid cruelty and unnecessary suffering whilst "harvesting" animal products.
BTW #5. For 15 years I volunteered to "take the place of lab animals" by taking part in pharmaceutical testing [not for money]. A necessary step for the creation of new therapies.
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Destroy the Planet,

24/07/2008 08:23:29
Kittens ?
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sam the god,

24/07/2008 08:25:45
Any good recipies for seals out there? The numbers of seals in fife areout of control and something is needing to be done about them.
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AntiPCman,

24/07/2008 08:29:04
When are the whiny self rightoeus going to stop trying to make everyone's world, their world. A world of "dont do what I do, do what I say" They are sanctimonious, usually secular, often unattractive, unsuccessful in life, lonely and invariably quasi political.
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 24/07/2008 08:29:29
Apart from the obvious fact that most pelts, hides, furs and leathers can be synthesised quite accurately nowadays, this is a ban on imports, it is NOT a ban of seal clubbing which will continue regardless of what little Scotchland does.

Now, do we all honestly think that by banning seal pelt imports into the EU that it will A)stop the slaughter and B) put the sporran business under?
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 24/07/2008 08:30:36
There has been a ban on imports of seal (and other marine mammal) products in the USA for over thirty years so this is hardly advanced thinking by the EU.

However, cruelty issues aside, sealskin is one of the very few exportable resources of the Inuits and the loss of the US market has created massive economic and social problems for them.
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24/07/2008 08:32:35
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Down with everything,

24/07/2008 09:03:27

If you buy your sporran at kiltie Mcjocks or any of the other scottish Ali Bros then you can be damn sure that you are not getting seal fur sporrans.

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Paul W,

A long way from any seals 24/07/2008 09:47:49
Seals are culled. This is to protect fish stocks, I believe. If you are going to kill something you might as well use the meat for eating, pelt for wearing or (as the Chineses do) make medicine from the w|lly. The seals are still going to be killed, but the Inuit and other native peoples are losing their source of income in our cash based society. Putting the Inuit on the dole and encouraging alcoholism will allow them to indulge in knife fights; they will become unmistakeable from the Jocks!!! ;-))
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ExpatNI,

24/07/2008 09:51:45
#35 John. Ha Ha Ha Brilliant. I'll have to use that one next time I wear my kilt and sporran!

On the story..... Go ahead ban the trade in seal skin pelts. I've already got mine. Will it make it illegal for me to wear my sporran with my kilt?

Next thing I'll not be able to wear my leather jacket or shoes. I'll not be able to eat my weekly steak or chicken. And what will I do with my favourite recipe for butterflied, marinated bbq'd leg of lamb. . . . yummy. Guess what I'm having for t tonight!!
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 24/07/2008 09:52:41
#32 if being anti-PC means that you are happy to support the importing of "products derived from seals that have been killed in a cruel way" then I'm glad to be regarded as PC.

On a separate issue, asking a highland dress retailer what is "traditional" in his trade means what sells, not what historical research shows was used in previous centuries. Most retailers know little about the history of what they're selling and perpetuate ignorance such as all the Victorian paraphernalia being "traditional" and "ancient".
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New kid on the blog,

The Borders 24/07/2008 10:15:45
Whats sad is Ian Chisolm's sickening self motivated attitude. Does he really think seals were put on this earth for the sole purpose of him running a successful business? Such arrogance!

All HE cares about is his OWN skin!Heaven forbid his '70%' sales should go down!
This is 2008 for gods sake. There are many other alternatives to using seal skin. Use them!

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P I Staker,

24/07/2008 10:18:33
#22 - how do you make boots out of pony/horse hair? Can you make slippers too? Do you knit the or crochet them? Could you please put the recipe on here as I'd like to try to make a pair.
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Paul W,

A long way from the flak 24/07/2008 10:19:30
When did short kilts/skirts become traditional? When did designating a set tartan to a particular family become traditional?

The men who fell at Culloden wore long kilts in whatever tartan the missus could knock up with the dyes and wools she had available. The sporran could have been made using the family dog, hare, rabbit or stoat if that was all they had.

The bagpipes were common in England until the sixteenth/seventeenth centuries when all but a few remote areas (Herefordshire, Northumberland) abandoned them as uncultured.

Tradition and culture are wonderful, but sealskin should be used in modern highland dress as it is a convenient and easily workable by-product of the cull, not because is is 'traditional'.

Plastic and synthetic materials destroy the planet as they are not renewable resources and they are naff.
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Paul W,

Not in Scotland - clearly 24/07/2008 10:23:18
P I Staker, hair can be woven and the traditional Bedouin still use goat hair to make tents - seen hundreds in Jordan. The less traditional Bedouin use packing cases and pallets and have generators to run the telly as I witnessed between Jerusalem and Jericho. You can use all sorts of material if you put your mind to it. A friend had a 'chain' for his fob watch made from woven horse hair - it would be about 150 years old by now.
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24/07/2008 10:29:09
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hullohullo,

Edinburger 24/07/2008 10:29:24
Blame Canada
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24/07/2008 10:49:45
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/07/2008 11:17:56
23 Douglas from Bathgate

At last!

A use for haggis. I have had it a few times and only once could I hold it down without PLENTY of wee drams.

But, if prepared properly and to a traditional and old recipe it CAN be quite tasty.

Am I contradicting myself here - as usual?

Good morning Horrible Cankers.

You seem to have aroused the ire of some posters.

Naughty girl!
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Longdirk Maceth,

nz 24/07/2008 11:20:48


European Union Moves Toward Ban on Seal Product Trade


July 23, 2008


First swim © Brian Skerry/HSI

In 2006, Swedish Green MEP Carl Schlyter observed the Canadian commercial seal hunt with Humane Society International.

Shortly thereafter, he sponsored a Written Declaration in the European Parliament, calling for an EU ban on the sale of seal fur pelts and other seal products in all 27 EU-member nations.

The Written Declaration was passed with the endorsement of 425 Members of the European Parliament, a record level of support.

Today, in an historic step forward in the campaign to end cruel commercial seal hunts, the European Commission responded by adopting a proposal to ban most trade in seal products within the European Union.

This is a major step forward, although there are many steps ahead—and Humane Society International and The Humane Society of the United States are guardedly optimistic that it's the beginning of an end to the cruel trade in seal products and a major blow to Canada's commercial seal hunt.

Inherently Inhumane

Each year, hundreds of thousands of seals are killed in industrial scale hunts around the world. Canada’s commercial seal hunt is the largest slaughter of marine mammals on earth, with more than one million seals killed in the past four years alone. Veterinarians say the slaughter is inherently inhumane [PDF] because of the environmental conditions in which it operates, the speed at which it must be conducted, and the inability of authorities to monitor the killing.

Official Support

European officials concerned about the issue commented on the proposal:

“The people of Europe and the European Parliament will accept nothing less than a total ban. We intend to close our borders to seal products completely to ensure the EU plays no role in perpetuating the cruelty of commercial seal hunts,” said Neil Parish, U.K. Conservative MEP and President of the European Parliament's animal welfar
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Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 24/07/2008 11:21:44
“The people of Europe and the European Parliament will accept nothing less than a total ban. We intend to close our borders to seal products completely to ensure the EU plays no role in perpetuating the cruelty of commercial seal hunts,” said Neil Parish, U.K. Conservative MEP and President of the European Parliament's animal welfare intergroup.

“This announcement by the Commission is an important step towards a victory for seals across the globe,” said U.K. Green MEP Caroline Lucas. “At the Parliamentary level, it will be crucial for MEPs to close the loopholes, and strengthen the proposal to ensure that all trade in products derived from commercial seal hunting is ended for once and for all.”

“People across Europe have called for an end to EU trade in products from commercial seal hunts for decades,” said Danish Socialist MEP Dan Jorgensen. “This announcement is a giant step forward in realizing that goal. I'm sure that the Parliament will do everything in its power to shut our borders to these products of animal cruelty.”

Public Support

The Canadian seal slaughter is opposed by the overwhelming majority of Canadians, Europeans and Americans. Recent polling shows fully two-thirds of Canadians with an opinion on the matter support European nations ending their trade in seal products.

Next Steps

The adoption of this proposal is a major victory for the seals and we are closer than ever to ending this brutal hunt for good. However, the Commission has included a problematic exemption in the current draft—for products from countries that can prove their hunting methods are "humane" and that the seals did not suffer unnecessarily. Such an exemption might allow countries to improve their regulations on paper while the cruelty continues in the field unchecked.

The good news is that there is still time to act. The proposal will now be forwarded to the European Parliament, where it is possible this exemption may be removed. European citizens and the
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Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 24/07/2008 11:22:37


The good news is that there is still time to act. The proposal will now be forwarded to the European Parliament, where it is possible this exemption may be removed. European citizens and their parliamentarians want a strong law—one that stops all trade in products derived from commercial seal hunts. Sign our petition to show your support for the seals.


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Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 24/07/2008 11:23:42
http://www.hsus.org/hsi/
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Mist001,

Marseille 24/07/2008 11:48:24
Strangely enough, we were discussing highland dress only yesterday and I said to my friends that I thought sporrans were made from deer pelt. This is the first I know of sporrans being made from seal pelt!

Michael.
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King Richard IV,

Brisbane 24/07/2008 11:53:48
There used to be a guy in Dunkeld who would make sporrans from cats,he was a part time taxidermist though. Not just randomely but at your request if your cat passed away an you wanted a keep-sake.
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Ubermensch,

UAE 24/07/2008 12:06:21
Who cares if its tradition? We can keep original and traditional ones in a museum. The only reason they used to be made out of seals was because that was what was available at the time.... AT THE TIME...... now we have alternatives....
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indune1,

Canada 24/07/2008 12:06:31

52 - No answers to my question about bullfighting? Pate de fois gras?

How about the suffering a stag endures when shot (ie wounded, not immediately killed) by an amateur hunter?.

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sam the god,

24/07/2008 12:17:11
#52 canker

When are you going to bump your gums about the inhumane method of legalised killing in the UK in other words Halal and Kosher where the animal is not stunned before it gets its throat slit. This method produces adrenaline tainted meat (I class it as unhygienic) which does not taste nice but is sold to the general public from the likes of kebab houses. These food stores should be made to compulsory inform the public if Halal or Kosher meats are being sold and give a description of the method. There is little or no chance of that as they would play the religious discrimination card at every turn.


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Boy Wonder,

24/07/2008 12:31:52
Leave our Cankers alone!
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Vincent-W,

24/07/2008 12:33:10
My friend has a brilliant badger head sporran. Roadkill of course! Don't fancy the hedgehog version though.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:56:43
Another victory by toxic noisy little minorities over common sense ...

Our politicians had better remember who votes them in ... noisy minorities or the silent but deeply disillusioned majority ?

Thankfully politicians are too dumb to realise this until it is too late for them.

Personally you will see me wearing my sporran and be-damned with the consequences - somebody has to take a stand against this tyranny it may as well start now ... we'll start with the ocelot head sporran, then the koala, then the Andrex puppy!

Animal rights is great up to a point - but their agenda is universal vegetarianism and renewable bark clothes! This is simply death by a thousand cuts .... once they get this they will move on and on ... the line has to be drawn somewhere ...

Now who's up for a bit of civil disobedience !?
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indune1,

Canada 24/07/2008 13:17:47


60 - Thanks for the warning.

I hope you realise that plants scream when they are harvested. What about their feelings? My god, the inhumanity!!!!!.

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Hope for Scotland,

Scotland 24/07/2008 13:24:20
At least it's good to see some of humanity moves on in an enlightened fashion - such a shame we have to leave so many stuck in the dark ages, but at least their time will soon be gone - and good riddance.
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New kid on the blog,

The Borders 24/07/2008 13:28:13
61.
There's certainly nothing civilised about you!
Shove your sporran where your brain should be.
Space wont be a problem.
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sam the god,

24/07/2008 13:40:34
#60 canker

Where do you hand out the leaflets? I might be temped to come and see you wearing my rabbit skin trousers (bye product of a natural food source) and give you some good game recipes. I also use the feather of some of the birds that I shoot for the fishing waste not want not.


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Broddr,

24/07/2008 13:51:53
I have a quite simple opinion on anything to do with animal cruelty or whatever you wish to call it.

No living thing should ever be killed or harmed through anything other than absolute need.

I need to eat it or I will die, that's fine.

It is going to kill me if I don't kill it, again fine.

I think that things head would look nice tied around my waist, not fine.

I fancy killing that for a laugh, not fine.

If something has to be killed it should be done humanely, quick and as painless as possible, not battered to death or left to bleed to death.

As a race (human not Scots) we pride ourselves on leaving behind our previous animal ways, we believe we are cultured, sophisticated etc. yet some of us still think it is okay to maim and kill whenever we please.

As the article states, it is not going to be banned, if the seals are killed humanely it will be fine. I understand that there are reasons for the seals being killed. Maybe we could come up with a better solution with our massive intellects but that is a different argument.

In any case, even if we can't wear little furry purses around our waist, who cares? Is there not bigger fish to fry?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 14:03:28
#1:

Of course they will.

Making them out of mink would be a good idea.

Just why are they banning this trade anyway? Jealousy on the part of those who cannot afford a sealskin sporran I suppose. I can see no other reason.

Is it not about time we started making these anti-fur, anti everything nutters feel like idiots again?
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Tom, Tom the Piper's Son,

THE United States of America! 24/07/2008 14:08:43
NO animal should be taken inhumanely simply for its fur or skin - regardless of the relavence to some cultural decoration. I have 6 sporrans - casual to fine evening wear - and all are domestic animals or those non-domestic still allowed by U.S. law. Beaver makes a beautiful sporran and they over-run parts of the U.S. so ... why not? Mink, muskrat, otter and assorted other small mammals that are an automobile short of being "road kill" should satify anyones needs. See www.sporrans.com - yes, incredibly beautiful and quite authentic sporrans NOT made in bonny Scotland - and this company (I think) will ship to the UK.

'Slan', amigos!
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Tom, Tom the Piper's Son,

24/07/2008 14:12:52
#62: 60 - Thanks for the warning.

I hope you realise that plants scream when they are harvested. What about their feelings? My god, the inhumanity!!!!!

=========================

62, Are you saying that I "murdered" my lawn last evening by mowing it? I considered as a hair-cut! (You should take your jokes on the road - you are a funny person!!!!)
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sam the god,

24/07/2008 14:36:33
#68 canker

I do not have a set of mink trousers yet but I must put that on my list of things to get my wife will like them.

It seems that you have a problem with English let me point out I said five skin not five skinheads try going to your local education authority and ask to be enrolled on the appropriate course.

So answer the question where do you give out the leaflets so I can bring you either some rabbit or mink pelts.

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wherthefahkowee ,

On an ice floe 24/07/2008 14:48:55

68 - Step down off your soapbox. Your hysteria, half-truths and hyperbole constitute cruelty towards your fellow human beings.

Stop posting. You've made your point (in a rather crude fashion, bordering on the illiterate).

Go and hand out your leaflets which, by the way, is not an environmentally friendly practice.
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wherthefahkowee ,

on a bearskin rug 24/07/2008 14:59:20

73 - Cankers - Selective memory. You forgot to mention Sir Paul's former wife, Heather Mills. Is she related to you?
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/07/2008 15:02:51
#73 Horrible Cankers

But we also have wingnuts like Paul McCartney's former wife (a REAL winner, that b*tch , Brigitte Bardot, Tom Cruise, Pamela Anderson, etc. who are against the seal slaughter.

I do not approve of it and find it to be distressing to even know about.

But with loonies such as I mentioned above they have the power to discredit and ridiculise the movement to stop the seal hunt.
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sam the god,

24/07/2008 15:25:39
Canker nearly right I have said in the past that I have rabbit trouser and mink gloves and was in the process of getting enough mink for a pair of trousers (about half way there trying to get matching or similar pelts). Must take the kids out a bit more to speed up the process of getting the mink I need.
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wherthefahkowee ,

Sporran shop 24/07/2008 15:27:19
78 - Don't worry, self-righteous one. Climate change will cause the ice floes to melt thereby denying the murdering sealers access to the seals.

Hmm, better start thinking about another "cause".
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wherthefahkowee ,

Canada 24/07/2008 15:41:49
Now, now Cankers. No need to get nasty. It was more of a suggestion.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/07/2008 15:46:13
The bigger the sporran, the bigger the richard, of course. Of equal concern to me is the brutal, and completely thoughtless, exploitation of acrylicus acrylicus, an innocuous beast, which has led to widespread wearing by kilted ones of brilliant white socks, so brilliant that Dulux paint purporting to be of a similar shade is put to shame.
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wherthefahkowee ,

In a quiet corner 24/07/2008 15:56:20

84 - Hey Cankers; did you know the Chinese consider seal penises a delicacy?

Now there you go. I have just given you another cause or reason to boycott the Olympics.
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alise688,

Los Angeles 24/07/2008 16:11:39
I got my sporran in Scotland almost sixty years ago, it is made from leather not seal skin. The original sporrans are made from cowbide or deerskin , so seals have nothing to do with authentic highland tradition.

As for the McCartney's, it is Stella his daughter who is so against the use of any animal products,her lovely clothing line, including shoes and bags are animal free.

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wherthefahkowee ,

24/07/2008 16:32:50

86 - Horrible Cankers

I have also stood on street corners handing out leaflets calling for the abolition of the seal dick trade and for the Chinese people to boycott the " Dick on a Stick " product.
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radge dug,

Dùn Eideann 24/07/2008 17:12:00
The original sporan was made of leather. Our culture didn't die when posh folk started adding fur. We can just use something else. No need to panic.

Gabh air ur socair!
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radge dug,

Dùn Eideann 24/07/2008 17:13:59
Btw... have the English not got a word for 'sporan' yet?

;>
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 17:23:06
#67
Was wondering when you would turn up with another inane and senseless comment.
Bring back drawn and quartered for you like they did to Wallace I might pay to watch that!
Oops sorry! I am against killing animals except for food or who threaten life not for being stupid
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/07/2008 17:25:52
#90 radge dug
Nope - no word for sporran - indeed a great many of them may not know what one is. I jest not.
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 17:26:06
#90
Yes its sporan
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/07/2008 17:27:07
On the other hand - do you know what a dwile is, or a mauther?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 17:27:37
Horrible @ #73:

To be honest, I really couldn't care less what the likes of Paul McCartney and his daughter think. I'm simply not interested. I have great respect and admiration for Paul as a musician but it ends there. It wouldn't matter less if he took to advocating the wearing of wet-suits when its raining---I wouldn't bite. I wouldn't care. And as far as I am concerned, good luck to him.

If you troubled yourself to come out of your little bubble and travel around the world a bit---to places where people still wear fur (in other words the places that haven't been invaded by unwashed, jealous idiots) then you would see for yourself how stylish, practical and good looking it is.

If the anti-fur brigade don't want to wear fur, then fine. If vegetarians don't want to eat meat then fine, all the more for me. I don't have a problem with that at all.

What I do have a serious problem with is when they expect others to go along with their stupid views. And what I have an even more serious problem with is when brain-dead politicians support the idiots and base their policy decisions on their daft ideas.
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 17:29:57
Actually being really boring looked it up and a sporan is an old Irish word for purse or pouch.
Wow that could change the world.
(wonder where my nurse is)
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 17:31:43
#94
Could tell you but aint got the time
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/07/2008 18:02:45
#97 - then wtf are you doing on here?
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 18:52:42
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Van(definetly white and dont try to fool everyone)Diesel
I went for my tea.
Pray tell me the answer to post 94
I am agog awaitng you answer
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/07/2008 19:00:39
#100 Waspy100 - with 100 (sub verification by the stewards), and just a semblance of congrats, therefore.
Re van - you have seen the confession in an earlier post, perhaps?
In case you haven't, I'll tell you something else as well. I am not in Amsterdam and/or Augsburg, either.
Now for the sting in the tail.
Look'em up.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/07/2008 19:05:09
OK - I'll tell you - both words found in E. Anglia - floorcloth, and young lady, respectively.
Point is that language lives (and dies). Local language, phraseology, and words exist the world over. The more introspective amongst us seem to think that they are unique in having such attributes.
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 19:19:23
#102
Worked in shopfitting in Downham Market and Norwich in the early 70,s
Lovely people then hope they are the same now.
and the mauthers were very friendy. Soon had them on the dwile.
(this is true)
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 19:25:06
I am also a believer that old Scots should not be allowed to die out and have travelled the world a bit (as we do)and do try to pick up some words from people.
Like Quinie and loony.
Now where do they come from like man
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Waspy100,

24/07/2008 19:31:54
Any way we digress.
The article was about the sporrans (or sporans) demise.
All i would like to see if there has to be a cull then it should be carried out more humanely.
Better way is to let nature take its course. fish die out seal starve, seals die out fish recover.
The only lousy denominator in this answer are humans who spoil the balance.
sadly that is one of the small prices of civilisation.
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Phillip,

24/07/2008 20:42:55
Animal rights hypocrits. All of the "non-cruel" methods wind up being based on plastics & other hydrocarbons, the production of which is causing Global Warming. So if we can't produce th