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Scots crime rate falls 6 per cent



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Published Date: 07 July 2008
THE number of murders, rapes, housebreakings, vandal attacks and drug offences has fallen dramatically across Scotland, with 60,000 fewer crimes reported in the past 12 months.
The Scotsman can reveal that recorded crime has fallen consistently across the country, with a year-on-year reduction of more than 6 per cent.

Total crime is now at its lowest level since 2000. Nearly 878,000 crimes were recorded by seven of the e
ight forces able to provide statistics for 2007-8 – 6.6 per cent lower than the previous year's total of 940,000 for the same seven forces.

Victim support campaigners last night gave a warm welcome to the news that crime appeared to be falling – something one expert put down to more effective policing.

Across the country, the biggest falls include housebreakings, where a 15 per cent drop was recorded, and speeding, where more than 13,000 fewer offences were noted – 12 per cent down on 2006-7.

However, the picture remains mixed across the forces. Lothian and Borders Police saw one of the biggest reductions in recorded crime – but housebreakings jumped 10 per cent.

Detection rates – the percentage of crimes solved – increased in the Strathclyde area, but fell by more than 2 per cent in Lothian and Borders.

David McKenna, chief executive of Victim Support Scotland, said the figures were "extremely encouraging", although public fear of crime remained high.

"Some people, especially the police, politicians and statisticians, will instantly recognise the good news story of a reduction in crime. It is welcome news that crimes involving violence, and drink and drugs abuse, are on the way down. We need them to be on the way out," he said.

Last year's drop in crime follows a smaller rise the previous year. But while police crime figures are notoriously prone to mysterious swings, the statistics for 2007-8 appear to indicate a clear downward trend.

Scotland's foremost academic expert on police crime figures, Professor Nick Fyfe, of Dundee University, said the principal reason why recorded crime has fallen is because police are becoming "smarter". He pointed to "significant investment" in crime analysts.

The director of the Scottish Institute for Policing Research added: "The use of technology like 'hot-spotting' (identifying the places and times that crime is most likely to occur] has really come to the fore. For the first time, police are now able to identify precisely the level of demand for their resources. This has led to much smarter policing."

He said community safety was much improved by better co- operation between local authorities, community groups and private companies.

"Take planning, for example. The role of architectural liaison officers is a significant initiative that is making the design of housing estates more secure against crime," he said.

However Paul Martin MSP, Labour's spokesman on community safety, believes the figures are misleading.

"I think the reality is that these figures mean that people are not reporting crime – and that is because they have no faith in the offenders being punished. The figures are grossly misleading because they do not reflect people's experiences of crime on a local level.

"The reality is that many communities feel car crime, graffiti and antisocial behaviour are all on the rise, but these often go unreported. We don't have enough police officers. We were promised more by the SNP, but they seem to have eluded us."

The official figures conceal offences that are not reported – a problem police acknowledge and claim they are addressing with initiatives like encouraging consultants in accident and emergency departments to pass on data about knife attacks.

Chief Superintendent Gill Wood, head of the Safer Communities department at Lothian and Borders Police, said: "Police understand there are many reasons why people might not report crimes, and are working hard to break down any perceived barriers." But she told The Scotsman that falling crime figures were partly a reflection of "more professionalism" among the police.

She said that a close examination of crime patterns, with modern technology, allows forces to deploy resources into the areas that most need them.

She added: "Police are far more actively engaged in analysing crime patterns, which is helping us to deploy our resources more effectively. The introduction of the national intelligence model a few years ago is really starting to bear fruit.

"Before, there was not so much professionalism. You'd find the typist on Friday would be the crime analyst on Monday. That has all changed. There has been a lot of investment in analysts, and the technology that allows us to identify and make far more sense of crime patterns.

"One example of that has been the deployment of extra officers on weekends at the top of Leith Walk, which had been identified as a crime 'hot spot'.

"The analysts help us identify trends and particularly vulnerable types of premises, or indeed people such as the elderly, who may be more likely to be targeted by bogus callers.

"That helps us to be more proactive so, for example, we can get the message out to pensioners to be more careful who they let into their homes."

Ten reasons the country is becoming a safer place in which to live

1 TARGETED POLICING


The Scottish police service has in recent years invested heavily in backroom crime analysts who are now producing an extremely detailed picture of offending across towns and cities.

Divisional commanders and local squad leaders now have a plethora of statistics at their fingertips, including when and where specific crimes are most likely to occur. This helps police to gauge how many officers should be put out on beats, allowing them to distribute officers from less crime-prone areas to hotspots.

2 PARTNERSHIPS

Police no longer see themselves as solely responsible for tackling crime – the concept of "community safety" now stretches across the public and private sectors.

Officers say they are working more closely with other bodies such as local authorities, the licensing trade, neighbourhood watch schemes and private businesses to promote safety.

Lothian and Borders Police has begun regular partnership meetings that will see education, health, housing, transport and other officials get round the table with senior police officers to thrash out ways to prevent and reduce offending.

3 SAFER PROPERTY

The design and maintenance of houses and estates can make a big difference to property crime, such as housebreaking. Simple measures like ensuring that flat entry systems are in good working order can instantly deter the opportunistic burglar.

Equally, as security in cars becomes more advanced, opportunities for thieves become fewer.

4 TESCO EFFECT

The tumbling price of electrical goods is believed to have triggered a decline in burglaries across Scotland.

Housebreakings have roughly halved over the past ten years. No wonder, when you consider how much more affordable electrical goods have become.

A television that costs £300 now would have cost about £900 in real terms in the mid-1990s and more than £1,100 in 1985.

The biggest price drops have been witnessed in film-playing machines.

In the 1980s, a Betamax cost the equivalent of £1,000 in today's money, while in the Nineties a VHS cost £400. Now DVD players are available in supermarkets for £30.

5 PLANNING

Building developers are increasingly being encouraged to ensure their latest projects are designed to minimise chances of crime occurring.

Creating almost "gated" communities, where residential streets are designed to appear like private areas, reduce the number of non-residents likely to pass through, and therefore the likelihood that thieves will strike. One subtle way this can be done is to paint the pavements a different colour to the main streets.

6 SURVEILLANCE

ITS significant financial cost has been a growing cause of concern, but the expansion of CCTV in recent years is certain to have played some part in reducing crime and anti-social behaviour.

A recent investigation by The Scotsman revealed that more than 200,000 incidents have been picked up by CCTV cameras over the past four years. Critics say CCTV only causes criminals to move to areas less covered by cameras, but Professor Nick Fyfe, director of the Scottish Institute for Policing Research, believes this "displacement" effect "is overstated".

The 1,566 cameras operated by the 25 councils and police forces that provided data to The Scotsman cost £27 million to purchase.

7 LESS DEPRIVATION

There is no doubt that crime is far more likely to occur in more deprived communities. Scotland's prison population is overwhelmingly populated by offenders from areas blighted by high unemployment, poor housing and high levels of drug and alcohol abuse.

Whether or not deprivation is actually falling, however, is a subject of much debate. While some indexes, such as unemployment, may suggest Scotland is become a wealthier and more successful country, and therefore less likely to be affected by crime, inequality remains a serious issue which some academics say is just as likely to trigger crime as actual poverty.

8 DETECTION

Nothing deters criminals more than the likelihood of being caught.

Government statistics suggest that, while clear-up rates for more serious crimes have remained fairly steady, police in recent years have become better at catching offenders committing less serious – but much more common – crimes, such as breach of the peace.

9 DEMOGRAPHICS

Scotland may be facing soaring pensions and health care costs as a result of its ageing population, but one area where society might be benefiting is law and order. As the proportion of the population consisting of young men declines, it is arguable that crime will also fall as they are the ones most likely to offend.

10 NOT REPORTING

It is very difficult to quantify, but even the police admit a vast amount of crime does not appear on the official figures because it is simply not reported in the first place.

Gang-related violence and race hate crimes are among the least likely to be reported to police.

Emphasis must be on tackling the climate of fear on our streets

David McKenna
Chief Executive of Victim Support Scotland


FIGURES revealing a drop of about 60,000 crimes in Scotland are enormously encouraging. Fear of crime, though, remains stubbornly just too high. Almost three-quarters of the country is just so much safer than the people who live there think.

In some communities the fear of crime is all too real and backed up by the day-in, day- out experience of local people.

Much more needs to be done to reduce crime and the impact of crime in these at-risk areas. Support for the victims of crime must play a key part of any strategy. More needs to be done to aid people in the aftermath of crime.

But what about the people who live in fear that just isn't real? In the most part that's you and me. Fear of crime blights the quality of so many of our lives yet that crime has little or no likelihood of happening.

The truth is that those who fear crime the most are the least likely to become a victim of crime. Older people and particularly women are the least at risk of crime.

The good news is the older you get the less likely you are to suffer from crime. More likely to win big on the lottery than to be violently assaulted or murdered – at least outside our homes. The link between real crime and fear of crime is complex.

Some people, especially the police, politicians and statisticians, will instantly recognise the good news story of a reduction in crime. It is welcome news that crimes involving violence, drink and drug abuse are on the way down. We need them to be on the way out.

But for many of our people it will take a long time to believe the official version of crime. Years will pass and if the trend continues downwards we will eventually see people's fear of crime begin to diminish to more realistic levels.

It is a case of one swallow doesn't make for a safer stronger Scotland. The signs are positive and time will tell. It may take reductions over years to convince the majority of us all that truly it is much safer out there than we think.

The media regularly presents changes in statistics as a "blip" so it should come as no surprise that readers or listeners tend to adopt the same approach and watch for longer-term evidence to substantiate the position.

It is widely recognised that people are living longer and their experience of crime has heightened the sense of insecurity. The great news, the best story, is that our streets are getting safer for you and for me.

Victim Support Scotland works with 100,000 victims of crime a year. Some will be heartened by these reductions but many of the people we support have had an experience they are unlikely to forget.

A crucial part of tackling fear of crime is to effectively address the needs of communities, individuals and families affected by crime.

Practical and emotional support in the aftermath of crime plays an important part, not just in recovery of communities but in reducing the fear of crime and the likelihood of more crime.

Let's take heart from these statistics and redouble our efforts nationally and locally to deliver the safer stronger Scotland we all deserve.

TOTAL RECORDED CRIMES



CRIMES BY REGION













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1

The Great Deception,

07/07/2008 00:27:02
"Recorded" crime is down.

Stop policing altogether and then there will be zero crime.
2

Maisie from Morningside,

07/07/2008 00:27:46
Now crime is falling under an SNP government and the Labour Party creeps
complain and whine.
Political hypocrisy at its worst.
3

The Great Deception,

07/07/2008 00:27:58
I see Glasgow and surrounding area are doing us proud as usual.
4

urban poacher,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 01:06:06
all due to SNP get rid of labour snd there would be no crime most of it seems to be committed by them. Number of labour leaders accused of breaking financial laws two, number of labour politicians on the take awarding contracts jobs for money a lot, number of labour politicians turning down safe seat four leaving a part time offer. why is there a byelection anything to do with previous MP needing to answer questions about half a million.
5

Teofilio Cubillas,

07/07/2008 02:32:27
"However Paul Martin MSP, Labour's spokesman on community safety, believes the figures are misleading"

Only because the SNP are in government though. If Labour had won last year's election he'd be crowing about how great the figures are. Of course there's under- reporting, there's always been under - reporting. But as well as the minor crimes, there's been a drop in serious crime as well - murder down 10%. Does Mr Martin believe that people have stopped reporting murders? Nice to see that he believes we don't have enough police officers, though. That certainly begs the question of what his party did to rectify that situation during their eight years in government? Hypocrite.
6

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 07/07/2008 04:05:25
Reason #11 for falling crime

The Feelgood Factor

Crime is less prevalent in areas where people feel a sense of inclusion in society and that they are a relevant, valued part of that society.

I await with a grin on my face a unionist to dispute this obvious point.

Pat on the back for the coppers also - thanks lads your doing Scotland proud.
7

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 07/07/2008 05:02:12
"... even the police admit a vast amount of crime does not appear on the official figures because it is simply not reported in the first place."

And a lot of crime which is reported to the police is unrecorded because the operator refuses to accept the report. Any report which is unlikely to result in an arrest will be refused. Otherwise the clear-up rate would fall.
8

Chaplin,

07/07/2008 07:09:37
The majority of the public have lost faith in the Police service.
Reported crime is down because its pointless reporting it, the last time my pensioner mother reported anything they were more interested in her age. Apparently over 65 isn't acceptable.
The detection rates however have gone up with more people being charged for minor offences. Thats more to do with a policy called "ethical reporting". ie anything no matter how pointlessly trivial ends up with a police charge. The damage this policy does to police relations is staggering, however it makes the statistics look good as the number of solved crimes ending with a criminal charge shoots up.
Common sense is called for by the Police, they need to get out of their offices and cars, and back walking the streets, dump the politically correct garbage which strangles most institutions and reconnect with the public.
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 07/07/2008 07:34:07
The smell of desperation is evident in those in denial about the positive crime statistics. Three factors account for the highly welcome reduction - the dedicated, unsung work done by our police and social and justice workers, the imaginative approach of Kenny McAskill and the hope and new spirit engendered in Scotland under the SNP government. Of course, there is a long way to go, and the day-to-day experiences of many is still of an unacceptable level of crime, but we're on the right road.
10

Simon,

Dalkeith 07/07/2008 09:07:33
I'm stunned that some of the above posters acknowledge any dissent to this Police report as those of unionists and therefore anti nationalist. I'd love to know how you can tell someones political leanings based on what is not really a political story.
These statistics have nothing at all to do with the SNP or any supposed "feel good factor".
11

MisterN,

Scotland 07/07/2008 09:24:31
Wont need those 1000 extra police officers then.
12

donald,

glasgow 07/07/2008 09:35:16
Scots crime rate falls 6 per cent

Is that because there are fewer Labour Cooncillors?
13

Miss H,

07/07/2008 09:48:02
Paul Martin is talking the most utter rot. There will be seven hundred and fifty additional police officers deployed on the beat in Strathclyde Police force area by 2011. Obviously this cannot happen overnight but there will be 200 more within this year. Labour are going into panic mode because they know this. So the argument is now going to be that people don't report crime to the police because they have no faith in sentencing policy. Utter tripe. If you don't report your car getting vandalised for example you don't get an incident number and your insurance doesn't pay out. Doh.
14

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

07/07/2008 10:19:15
Mmmmmmh.."Scots crime rate falls by 6%"?.....ye windnae know it wid ye?....reading the news here on a daily basis...
15

James.com,

07/07/2008 10:19:49
Wrong. Scots REPORTED crime rate drops 6%.More dodgy statistics. Why bother to report it when the police are "too busy" but you are offered Victim "counselling" instead (so that you don't get too angry)!
16

Tris,

07/07/2008 10:20:02
Whatever your political views these are good figures.

Both this governement and the previous executive should be congratulated for their part in them. Maybe we have a wee bit more pride as people too.

Of course there is the matter of non-reported crime, but I suspect that there has always been the matter of non-reported crime.

Overall it seems things are getting better.
17

Calum10,

07/07/2008 10:30:08
Labour no longer runs Scotland at council level and at Holyrood; and as a result the country is being better governed. We no longer have to suffer Labour targets, political targets, on such things as policing, health, education etc, instead we have a set of agreed outcomes that arise from evidence based policies.

Labour failed Scotland, no one should forget that in a hurry.



18

birdman,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 11:04:52
so many comments praising political party's, and yes I agree they are responsible, because when the police catch the culprits and judges put them in jail, stupid politicians let them out. SO people dont see any point in reporting crime.
Why dont we make it compulsory for politicians to buy their second homes in the area's affected the most by crime and see how quickly they bring in laws that really bring the crime rates down by putting criminals in prisons that penalise (the penal system) them, then when they are near the end of their term put them in a different; softer regime institution to rehabilitate them.
Maybe then you would have fewer re-offenders.
19

Arfur,

07/07/2008 11:15:32
SNP put more police on the beat. They reduced the amount they were going to do but it was still more than Labour had.

Reduction in crime, lowest since 2000.
Reduction in unemployment, lowest in 10 years i think?

Yet Labour seem to think that this is all one big coincidence. Heads in sand.
20

The Spook in Leith,

07/07/2008 11:20:48
#5

Correct, it is sour grapes from the Labour party, boy they must be hating every minute in opposition in Scotland, and in England they are disintegrating.
21

Copper,

Falkirk 07/07/2008 11:23:53

So why do the police not investigate the Politicians

Bo'ness Harbour would be the ideal place to start with a guaranteed success as the Main Cooncillor is young and new and from his speech and mannerisms is just waiting to be accused

Two minutes in interogation would convict him and all the other pigs selling the best building ground for miles to a Dutch company for sweeties and graft.


22

antifa,

07/07/2008 11:40:51
"We no longer have to suffer Labour targets, political targets, on such things as policing, health, education etc, instead we have a set of agreed outcomes that arise from evidence based policies."

Can you provide some evidence for this? I'm not saying it's not true but I'd like to see some evidence. E.g. exactly what targets have been got rid of in policing, health and education since the SNP took power?
23

Number 6,

Germany 07/07/2008 11:47:23
And Labour can't even aknowledge it. "It's no true, these figures are rang". "Ma constituency is hoaching way criminals" they bleat.Sorry , but things ARE improving under the SNP , an impossibility under Labour and just look at them writhing in helpless agony. What a way to start your week off.
24

Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 11:50:57
Taking all things into consideration,I agree with the suggestion that this is down to the "feelgood factor" brought about by the current SNP Government.
When we get Independance in 2010 I expect further dramatic falls, as the living conditions experienced by some, are dramatically improved by us not spending our money on illegal wars,regeneration of London,trident etc.
25

heart of scot,

07/07/2008 11:58:33
We canot prove that figures are really but we cannot either prove that they are false.
26

James.com,

07/07/2008 12:12:39
Another reason for not reporting a crime, is that depending how you respond to it, (eg. putting up a barbed wire fence)you are more likely to be arrested than the criminals!
27

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:15:59
Apathy has set in - why report a crime when you know nothing will be done about it?
28

thaijambo,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:27:58
#8 I agree with you. Last week I was punched in the face by one of these scum bag beggars who should try getting a job and paying taxes like the rest of us. He spends most of his time begging next to the cashpoint opposite the Playhouse; I guess he takes some time out to collect his dole money paid for by us mugs. I was using the cashline when he punched me in the face and tried to grab my card. I managed to trip him up and gave him a kick as he went down. I phoned the police and they asked if I had retaliated - they then said it might not be a good idea to officialy report the crime as I could face charges as he could press charges against me. This country sucks. I'm also still waiting on the police coming to my flat as I had a burglary over a year ago - they said not to touch anything and they would see me within 24 hours. they should do the 3 strike rule as the did in New York but I guess they'd then have to spend money on building more prisons - prison does work as it keeps the scum bags away from the rest of us
29

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:46:21
How can we trust these figures?

At the weekend, much was made of public Orange Order Parades allegedly passing off peacefully in Glasgow and Lanarkshire?

Yet, according to yesterday's Sunday Mail newspaper:

"More than 200 people were hit with on-the-spot fines!"

"A total of 99 were given £40 fixed penalty fines by
the Police for drinking alcohol and urinating in public in Glasgow and Larkhall!"

"There were 58 ARRESTS - 5 for sectarian breach of the peace behaviour? OF those, 35 were arrested in Glasgow and 28 were arrested in Lanarkshire"!"

It seems the true scale of criminality and disorder is conveniently hidden by issuing "on-the-spot-fines"?

The same claims are usually made after derby football matches when in fact numerous arrests are made by the Police who must give out these on-the-spot fines.

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07/07/2008 13:02:38
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Arfur,

07/07/2008 13:18:57
#32 Highland Mighty - "Police numbers are DOWN under the SNP" - WRONG as usual.

YEAR PARTY UNEMPLOYMENT CRIME
2000 labour rise rise
2001 labour rise rise
2002 labour rise rise
2003 labour rise rise
2004 labour rise rise
2005 labour rise rise
2006 labour rise rise
2007 labour rise rise
2008 SNP drop drop

Notice anything in this list you complete idiot.
32

Tris,

07/07/2008 13:55:20

#33

LOL
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07/07/2008 14:01:29
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07/07/2008 14:12:50
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Dibble,

07/07/2008 14:21:05
Number 30. Thaijambo, the problem with an internet forum is it gives the opportunity for people to make spurious and often false statements without any way of proving or disproving it. You would never have been given the advice you claim to have been given over the phone in relation to your assault. (If you were, complain your call will have been recorded). Equally police would never fail to attend a report of a domestic housebreaking and have a target time of 4 hours under a call grading system and not 24 hours. At the time of your initial call an incident is created and it is never closed down until you have been visited.

By all means moan about the police just don't make it up.
36

EK,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 15:35:41
Please - Could we have more police, more arrests and make people pay in some way for the crimes they commit? I'm sure there's enough money around to do that - we have enough for a new parliament and (totally unneccessary) trams in Edinburgh and wages for many paper-pushers in offices.

Bad behaviour, crime, graffiti, etc all seem to be pretty bad still. Do politicians ever go out on a Friday or Saturday night and see the state of their cities?
37

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 07/07/2008 15:59:30
The crooks do not have enough money to provide gas for their vehicles so they pilfer less.
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07/07/2008 17:44:30
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boudica,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 18:15:01
Mince just recently a Judge severely critised both the Police and the Procurators Fiscals office for the shamblolic way they recorded statements that made it impossible for these cases to be tried therefore had to be thrown out and when they are thrown out they are then taken of any record ..so I doubt that Strathclyde is the only area this has happened in ..and as well as that the amount of cases that the Police dont even take the time to record ..so this is all Mince..
40

boudica,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 18:18:37
40 ..Alec Slamond claimed £140.000 of expenses from Westminster ...as he is hardly there were did that all go to and what exactly was that amount spent on ?
41

boudica,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 18:25:49
Natz + Phoney Policies
Wee One Check Eck promise = Lies
Wee Eck+ Nick the Oldies Bus Tickets=Oops Uturn
Wee Eck+ stop the SportsScotland move to East End of Glasgow = Oops again another Uturn.....a bit of the Pot calling the Kettle Eh!!!
Wee Eck = Bribing Margo for her Vote by Giving Edinburgh more Cash
and all this and the rest in only 1 yr ..
42

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 18:32:10
Now we've heard the recorded crime figures - now lets see the 'solved' crime figures ??

I wonder if we will see the crimes that attract a nice easy fine being mostly solved and the more difficult ones with a poor rate of success ? Cynical but I'd wager the truth !
43

boudica,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 18:37:36
33 Yep I noticed something about your list it has been written by an Idiot ( You) suffering with the Usual Natz Delusions ..
44

boudica,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 18:49:15
37..i dispute that it took the Police 2 days to arrive at my house after a break in to get fingerprints off a school card that they lifted money off of and put in my bin ..how bright were they ( the thiefs)..they mostly dealt with it by phone and it was my son who kept phoning his own mobile ( which was stolen in the Breakin ) and the guy that eventually anwsered it said he bought it from a guy in the pub, My son made arrangements to meet him and pay him what he was charged for it ..all the time we kept the Police up to date in what was happening ...The Police were watching as my Son met the guy and paid him the cash for the phone when they pounced ..the guy was done for reset and he told the my son who it was that sold him it and the guy that broke in was jailed ..we were never called as witness`s ..even though it was us that solved the bloody thing ..so Policing aint what it used to be ..
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john z,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 18:53:22
These figures are nonsense. So speeding is down...well is it??

The incidence of recordings of speeding is determined by the number of speed traps, pure and simple.

And why is speeding being lumped together with offences like murder? Because it makes the totals look good. Lies, dammed lies and statistics.
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john z,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 18:54:40
Heck I'll go walking in the park tomorrow, because I know i'm not going to get mugged or murdered, because speeding is down. Whoop te do.
47

Phillip,

07/07/2008 18:56:34
When I first saw the headline I thought it was an article about how crimes of political corruption (graft, embezzlement, etc) were down now that there are fewer Labour politicians in office!
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boudica,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 19:36:06
Phillip ...are you saying that the Natz, LibDem and Tories are above such things ? Please dont tell me you are that Naive ? ....
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DMF,

Minneapolis 07/07/2008 21:06:35
Conquer the huge booze problem, and watch the crime rate go down even further.
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old copper,

glasgow 08/07/2008 00:01:45
As a retired police officer, I permitted myself a quiet smile when I read that Scottish crime figures have allegedly decreased.
During 34 years Police service a day rarely passed when I did not see police officers routinely massage crime figures to make it appear there was less crime or that the detection rate was higher than it really was.
This practice was actively encouraged by the higher echelons and I must say that some of the methods employed to falsify the true crime situation were both imaginative and innovative.
I am glad to record that I always dceclined to participate in this `fraud' and that was always a bone of contention between me and my superiors in rank; particularly after I attained senior rank myself and encouraged my own constables to record crime honestly.
I remember, while serving in CID, being threatened with a return to uniform duties if I did not conform and join in the great statistics `fiddle.'
The threat was not carried out because `top brass' thought I might resign and go public on how the statistics were being falsified.
On another occasion, when I was an Inspector, I was about to institute disciplinary proceedings against a constable who was caught out failing to properly record crime.
When my Superintendent heard of this he ordered me to stop and took the matter out of my hands. He told me that, if the constable was disciplined, all junior officers might begin to record crime honestly and the crime figures would then go through the roof.
Although retired, I am in regular contact with serving police officers and police support workers
who tell me that the crime statistics are still being manipulated and that many crimes are simply not recorded.
I suppose there is nothing new under the Sun and that the manipulation of crime statistics will continue to continue for political and other reasons.
However, next time you hear that crime has miraculously fallen, just remember what you have read
above and take the news with
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old copper,

glasgow 08/07/2008 00:05:42
As a retired police officer, I permitted myself a quiet smile when I read that Scottish crime figures have allegedly decreased.
During 34 years Police service a day rarely passed when I did not see police officers routinely massage crime figures to make it appear there was less crime or that the detection rate was higher than it really was.
This practice was actively encouraged by the higher echelons and I must say that some of the methods employed to falsify the true crime situation were both imaginative and innovative.
I am glad to record that I always dceclined to participate in this `fraud' and that was always a bone of contention between me and my superiors in rank; particularly after I attained senior rank myself and encouraged my own constables to record crime honestly.
I remember, while serving in CID, being threatened with a return to uniform duties if I did not conform and join in the great statistics `fiddle.'
The threat was not carried out because `top brass' thought I might resign and go public on how the statistics were being falsified.
On another occasion, when I was an Inspector, I was about to institute disciplinary proceedings against a constable who was caught out failing to properly record crime.
When my Superintendent heard of this he ordered me to stop and took the matter out of my hands. He told me that, if the constable was disciplined, all junior officers might begin to record crime honestly and the crime figures would then go through the roof.
Although retired, I am in regular contact with serving police officers and police support workers
who tell me that the crime statistics are still being manipulated and that many crimes are simply not recorded.
I suppose there is nothing new under the Sun and that the manipulation of crime statistics will continue to continue for political and other reasons.
However, next time you hear that crime has miraculously fallen, just remember what you have read
above and take the news with
52

syntax,

08/07/2008 04:46:50
#37 You appear not to have needed to call the police? There are situations where calling the police, for ANY crime, you may or may not get a response AT ALL. Don't tell me that's rubbish. I know.

I have had police officers sitting in my workplace when a 999 call was put through to them. They lied about their location and then sometimes did or did not attend the call - depending on how they felt !!

I have called the police about a child screaming in a local household in the early hours of the morning (1 or 2 am) with her drunk mother having a 'domestic' with her boyfriend of the the week - result, no police attendance. Not once but on numerous occasions.

I used to be a community councillor - I know of many situations where the police were called - including 999 calls - and in some instances the calls were NEVER followed up.

I have been on these forums before and made my view clear. Law and order has broken down. You simply cannot believe the lies and statistics produced by the police and politicians. We are at a stage now where many people simply no longer report some types of crime because they know they will NOT be investigated.

My advice - take the law into your own hands (but make sure that there are no witnesses......)
53

weary observer,

Wisconsin USA 08/07/2008 16:50:58
#9 Bingo, Chaplin! Same problem here - the largest city in our State is practically out of control for the same reasons you cite - those who can afford to do so, continue as they have for the past 40-odd years: voting with their feet. I sure did - now I live in the same community pioneered by my great-grandfather - ordinary civilized folk who hold the same values I do. I feel quite safe, thank you.

Out of the squads and back on the streets, where every cop knew every kid on his beat, and carried a good nightstick, collaring every troublemaker along the way and putting the fear of God and the law into him - but of course, they can't mention God anymore.

It will never go back to those days when there was crime, of course, but MUCH less of it, where schools and streets were safe and people could live in relative peace and order, shopkeepers didn't have to put cameras on walls and electronic tags on merchandise with alarms at the doors, such is the level of stealing and cheating, by employees as well as customers.

The United States has gone down the tubes since the wretched 1960's and may soon fall - of it's own dead weight and the abandonment of its founding principles.

Very sad for someone who truly loves her country.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 09/07/2008 11:39:19
Very few people I come in contact with regularly have much confidence or faith, in the present day policing.
But I shudder to think about wakening up in the morning without the POLICE being available-even rarely!
55

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 09/07/2008 11:53:40
#52 Your post deserves worthy plaudit in exposure of the 'fraudulent practice' within the police.
I would like to take it a stage further when claiming our sham system of freedom and democracy in Blair and Brown's lying and corrupt New Labour Party's dis-united UK; is also a GIGANTIC FRAUD.
56

Decent,

02/10/2008 22:03:32
Old copper - good for you for speaking out and for staying honest amongst all the corruption.

 

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