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Published Date: 18 October 2009
ALEX Salmond set course for the general election yesterday, vowing to reject the cuts deemed necessary by Labour and the Conservatives and insisting there was still the cash available to keep public services afloat.
In his keynote speech at the SNP conference in Inverness, the First Minister attacked the "miserable, depressing" prospect of public sector cutbacks, arguing that his opponents could find extra funds if they chose to end Britain's nuclear deterrent.

He vowed to keep spending going on the NHS, schools and public services.

To do this, he said he wanted the coming Westminster election to produce a hung parliament so that the SNP group of MPs could "make London dance to a Scottish tune". A future Labour or Conservative government would be presented with a "shopping list" by Salmond, amounting to some £800 million of funds he claims Scotland is due, as the price of SNP support.

Read further analysis by Eddie Barnes here

While Salmond's speech spelled out the party's coming election strategy, the reaction was dominated last night by the First Minister's decision to compare justice secretary Kenny MacAskill to Mahatma Gandhi, following his decision to free the Lockerbie bomber.

Salmond said he had met Gandhi's grandson last week who had reminded him of his grandfather's philosophy. "Sometimes someone has to break the cycle of retribution with an act of compassion. That is what Kenny MacAskill did and we should be proud of him for doing it," said Salmond.

Opponents last night said the comments were "stomach-churning". They also claimed that Salmond's attempt to talk up the prospect of a hung parliament was a "desperate attempt to seem relevant" in a UK general election.

Speaking to a packed hall at the Eden Court theatre in Inverness, Salmond used his speech both to talk up his party's record in power and to make a clear dividing line between him and the other parties on public finances.

The SNP had disclosed last week that it would be backing plans for pay cuts for the top earners in the public sector, but Salmond yesterday made no mention of any further restrictions, instead making the case to keep spending going.

He said: "Over the last few weeks we have seen the London parties queue up to declare that their cuts are going to be bigger and better. What a miserable, depressing vision they offer to the people of the nation."

He said if the UK government wanted to find more money for schools and hospitals it need only cancel the Trident submarine deterrent and plans for ID cards, claiming the nuclear deterrent could build 50 Forth road crossings.

"It is enough to fund the NHS in Scotland for a full decade," he added. Salmond said it was "wrong" to argue that there was no more money for schools and hospitals.

The commitment comes despite warnings from independent economists that as much as £3.8 billion will be stripped from Scotland's £30bn budget over the coming three years, as Whitehall reins in spending.

Finance secretary John Swinney has already been forced to cancel plans for a rail link to Glasgow airport but experts warn that the freeze will worsen over the next few years, forcing ministers to wield the axe elsewhere.

Salmond said he would be basing his decisions on "social democratic values", arguing there was a "moral imperative" to share wealth in tough times.

Turning to the party's bid for an independence referendum, Salmond warned that Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems could be wiped out if they continued to oppose the vote. "Let us be clear, no political party can long deny the right of the Scottish people to exercise self-determination and survive as a political force in Scotland," he said.

He also mounted a direct attack on Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who has ruled that the Scottish Government should not be part of a UK government delegation attending the Copenhagen climate change summit in December.

He said: "The reality is that Gordon Brown cannot stand the idea of Scotland being visible in the international community, even when we have passed potentially life-saving legislation."

But Labour MP Anne Begg last night said: "Copenhagen is not a back-slapping exercise to nod about the importance of tackling climate change. The objective is to sign an international agreement to which the United Kingdom will be a signatory. The people of Scotland supported the devolution settlement whereby foreign affairs are conducted on a UK-wide basis."

After his speech, Salmond raised his hands in a victory sign, and took a standing ovation from the party faithful.

A Scottish Labour spokesman said: "Once again, the SNP have got it wrong on all the big issues. The SNP government have more money than ever before. Their wasted years and failed schemes like the Scottish Futures Trust mean they are boxing themselves into a corner because they have made bad decisions.

"But the price of saving the Scottish banks and the UK economy from collapse means every party – including the SNP – has to make savings. The difference is Labour will at every stage seek to defend, support and protect frontline services."

The Tories last night called Salmond's speech a desperate attempt to muscle his way into a UK election campaign.

Shadow Scottish secretary David Mundell said: "This is a British general election for a British prime minister and a British government. The SNP is irrelevant, and Alex Salmond is not even standing."

His opponents last night also seized on his reference to Gandhi. Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said: "Alex Salmond seems to have gone over the edge. If he thinks Kenny MacAskill is like Mahatma Gandhi, what on earth does that make him? The reality is that this was the wrong decision taken in the wrong way."

Frank Duggan, president of the Victims of Flight 103 group, described Salmond's comments last night as "extraordinary and preposterous". He said: "I am sure that reconciliation is a noble thing to practise, but not for a minister for justice. Kenny MacAskill's governmental position involved following the law as well as the agreement among nations that (Lockerbie bomber] Megrahi would spend his entire term in Scotland."

Duggan added: "Kenny MacAskill will forever be known for his role in a miscarriage of justice. Reconciliation is not within the portfolio of the chief law enforcement officer of Scotland. Leave that to the clergy and the social workers."

Party may get live TV debate wish

A LIVE TV election debate in Scotland involving the main UK party leaders plus Alex Salmond is being considered as part of a compromise deal to head off a legal challenge by the SNP.

Broadcasters are understood to be discussing a special Scotland-only debate, in which Salmond would go head-to-head with Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg in a bid to ensure strict rules on broadcasting impartiality are met.

The Scottish special would be in addition to the three UK-wide debates, involving just the three main UK party leaders, which Sky, the BBC and ITV, are proposing to screen in the run-up to next year's general election.

The plans are being mooted as broadcasters seek to avoid a legal challenge, threatened by the SNP, against the UK leaders' debate. Under their current plans, the debates would be screened in Scotland without an SNP figure, in a clear breach of broadcasting rules.

Under the law, the SNP is defined as a "main party" in Scotland which, as such, must receive the same treatment on television as Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats.

It is understood that the main proposer behind the idea of a fourth debate is Sky, which originally came up with the idea of a leaders' debate in the first place.

The Scottish-only debate might also focus primarily on the constitution, offering Salmond the chance to lay out his case for independence against his unionist opponents. It is understood that Salmond is eager to strike a deal with the broadcasters before the matter goes to the courts. "This could be sorted out in ten minutes," said one senior SNP source.


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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/10/2009 00:16:38
Just for the record, this is what Alex Salmond ACTUALLY said. Rather than what SOS are busily spinning in conjunction with SLAB...

"It is right that Mr Al Megrahi was tried and convicted for his crimes, but it is also right that he has been sent home to die. Last week Arun Gandhi came to see me - the grandson of Mahatma Gandhi. He seeks with our Scottish churches to found a reconciliation centre in one of our great universities.

One of the things that he told me is that his grandfather's philosophy is much misunderstood. His resistance was not passive but active. His dedication to non violence a strength not a weakness... Sometimes someone has to break the cycle of retribution with an act of compassion. That is what Kenny MacAskill did and we should be proud of him for doing it."
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Traquìr,

Alba 18/10/2009 00:32:09
"But the price of saving the Scottish banks and the UK economy from collapse means every party – including the SNP – has to make savings."

I assume this includes Brown's assurance of a new austerity and not more massive bonuses ?

"Gordon Brown vows to 'sweep away' bonus culture"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb/09/gordon-brown-banking-bonuses

Why does Labour not keep to their word and direct the billions in bonuses into public services ? Looks like again the word of New Labour is worth absolutely nothing.

"Royal Bank of Scotland to give huge bonuses"

"The average employee in its high-risk investment banking arm is likely to take home £240,000, with the top 20 staff in line for payments of between £1m and £5m"

"The payouts by the investment banking division — from a total pay and bonus pot of £4 billion — would top the deals awarded at the peak of the financial boom in 2007 and are 66% higher than those paid last year"

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article6879558.ece

Apparently their is plenty of money washing around in the city of London with Brown's bankers friends who appear to be getting their payback for supposedly helping to save the Union.

'Scottish' Labour will no doubt just sit by while 100's of millions and thousands of jobs are wiped from the Scottish budget whilst massive bonuses are rewarded in London, but the SNP and the Scottish people will not tolerate this duplicity.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/10/2009 00:33:06

One thing is for sure, we the voters will loose out, non the matter of how we vote, we all have to foot the bill of global economic crisis past.

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JaF,

18/10/2009 00:37:13
#1:CFTBL: Wise words from the Lagoon who is no Buffoon.
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JC1,

Glasgow 18/10/2009 00:40:47
So salmond equates the Scottish criminal justist system with retribution. maybe he should check out the system in Libya

In the meantime instead of working with the government in a mature fashion he wants to fight. What a numpty!
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/10/2009 00:42:54
Opponents last night said the comments were "stomach-churning".
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Presumably these same (nameless...) opponents found the Good Friday Agreement to be equally "stomach churning" ? The end of Apartheid in South Africa to be "stomach churning" ??

Both required breaking the cycle of retribution with acts of compassion, by being brave enough to replace the spirit of base revenge with the spirit of christian mercy. THAT is the most important element of the Megrahi release, to allow him to return to die in Libya.
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JC1,

Glasgow 18/10/2009 00:43:39
A future Labour or Conservative government would be presented with a "shopping list" by Salmond, amounting to some £800 million of funds he claims Scotland is due, as the price of SNP support

Once again, he trots off with cap in hand, looking to sponge off the rest of the country. What for? to subsidise more things to buy votes?
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Blue Tooner,

18/10/2009 00:49:25
Great photo. Who said the Conservatives didn't have a mole in the SNP ?
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Cynicus Unbound,

18/10/2009 01:34:27
"Great photo."-#11,Blue Tooner

Agreed.

But I think Eck has just learned of The Orange Order throwing its support behind Labour and cannot contain his glee.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/10/2009 02:05:29
JC1

"In the meantime instead of working with the government in a mature fashion he wants to fight. "

Or

"Once again, he trots off with cap in hand, looking to sponge off the rest of the country."

Which one is it? He is begging for Scotland share or picking fights? I can't be both.

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Traquìr,

Alba 18/10/2009 03:26:09
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Kenny A,

18/10/2009 04:52:15
More spin by the Scotsman, journalists or deluded spin doctors.

There is however a point about Salmonds speach.It contained a lot of well phrased nonsense based on some rock hard truth.

I am so sick of politicians.
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Rob Veers,

18/10/2009 06:01:12
An indication, if there ever needed to be one, that the first minister and the Scottish Ne’er-do-well Party are economically inept.
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Rob Veers,

18/10/2009 06:06:13
#19. jimmy the pieman
An ovation, very apt a desciption. One definition has it as # An ancient Roman victory ceremony of somewhat less importance than a triumph. Better luck next time Kenny.
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Daniel Salaman,

London - Nicosia 18/10/2009 06:08:56
I am sorry but in a humble way i must come out to speak the truth and only but the truth. Our Salmond truly speaking he is not a politician as he was never ever been cut out by nature to be a politician as he has always being lucking of political diplomacy, he is more of an ideologist rather than anything else. For example if he was a talented politician he would have not open fire simultaneously against two major parties. furthermore all this big talk it all boils down to one thing ,he just playing his own trumpet. its what i call plenty of action in inaction in the end of the day. Furthermore he must come into terms with reality,that is of course if he wants to be taken seriously. To take off a big aircraft of the ground its easy but to navigate it back to the airport and do a smooth landing its a different matter altogether, in other words get your self first to become a good pilot before you start giving to veterans instructions as what to do. Ideologists are normally good for propaganda purposes only, but when it comes to rule a Nation you cannot act like a little boyscout, for God sake. It appears to me that Mr Salmond has not done his homework, for if he did he would have come to realise that neither of the two major parties Leaders have the power to be Scrapping the Trident Nuclear deterrent. Those are agreements with with signature on the table a long time ago with our NATO US alliance. Most certainly Britain will not come under no circumstance's in confrontation with our biggest Alie's just to please the Leader of NSP. At this point i must clarify my self, i have no objection if the majority of Scotland's population wishes Scotland's Independence, in spite of the fact if would ever happen it will be to my personal disappointment and great sadness,as i never make it a secret that i am a devoted Unionist, who wishes Britain to remain United for ever. As i am absolutely sure that it will not be to Scotland's INTEREST to become Independent as Scotland in re
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Finnzz,

18/10/2009 07:06:06
Wow, 50 thousand AM2's on the rampage, I hardly think that bunch of neanderthalic has-beens will make a blind bit of difference to voters intentions.

After all, most of them are probably doing very well out of Labours deliberate policy of beggaring constituencies in order to blackmail voters for their support.
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Rob Veers,

18/10/2009 07:20:13
Glasgow north-east should be a good indicator of the power of Orange.
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Daniel Salaman,

London - Nicosia 18/10/2009 07:25:47
to continue from my above article: as Scotland in real terms will find it very difficult to survive on its own. The Economy will go down to rock bottom levels ,consequently in a question of 10 years of Scotland's Independence 3/4 of the population would be forced to immigrate in all different parts of the world, that would create an artificial vacuum, in the country that desperate foreigners would quite naturally come in to-feel. Salmond speeches do not talk about the unemployment , about creating home industries, about helping the poor homeless to be provided with a roof over their heads, about cutting the taxes on fuel to provide the elderly with subsidized prices of fuel to keep them warm at home, to cut down the rates of poor people who are dying freezing cold. All i can say for Mr Salmond is the fact that he fails to inspire me with confidence as he gives the impression of a true narcissistic personality that loves to attract attention to him self as people who are by nature a narcissist are normally preoccupied to be in love with themselves, nothing bad for themselves , but terribly bad for if those type of people come to rule a nation. God save Scotland from people like Salmond who talk in frond of the public with big and empty words. Sorry if i sound provocative but i cannot take this man seriously, some other may do, and i respect their democratic rights, but mr Salmond speeches have made me realise that he is completely out of political reality as the man speaks for the sake of speaking without political knowlage wistom and substance. Nobody can became a politician without political strategy, he talks repetitivly about Scotland's Independence, other than that NOTHING absolutely NOTHING. Salmond is not a man that i could trust Scotland in his hands. I have nothing against the man personally but i love Scotland and its people to much to allow him to ruin Scotland's future. Regards to all the people in Scotland. Daniel Salaman.
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The Tin Man,

18/10/2009 08:01:24
If Salmond doesn't want public service cuts, why isn't he reverting back to the 'penny (or three) for Scotland' sales pitch? Why doesn't he say he wants the CT freeze scrapped?

Presumably he fully supports the current situation of the Scottish exec being awash with historically astounding amounts of money. If he really wants to keep it that way, he should be realistic about what his party can actually achieve.

'Scrap trident and ID cards' might as well be at a Lib Dems conference, and they will have about 10 times the influence over those matters.
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Baggy Troosers,

18/10/2009 08:18:26
#1. Creature from the Black Lagoon.

You're in no position to ridicule anybody using a name like that.
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A Crofter,

Arce of "Friends" 18/10/2009 09:23:09
Beats me why anybody should want to waste their time listening to drivel like this.

FatMan only returned to his third job [at Westmidden]last Monday - three days later, he'd bunked off again. Talk about ripping off the taxpayer!
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ColinChoseTomForte,

18/10/2009 09:35:45
27 Scottish and Still Proud
No greater a fantasy world than yours. Btw watch out! You’re about to fall. You must get that all the time the pride before a fall thing.
Here’s the thing, after the act of union things were pretty bad economically for about a half a century. It wasn’t extra money coming in which change things, it was Enlightenment. It was the brain work of the Scottish people which changed the world. Any corruption which has made any difference in Scotland has been all of its own making. The corruption is in the head. There are books, great books full of knowledge. There’s the internet too with more to read than anyone could read in many life times. We’ve got so much more opportunities to learn than those in the eighteenth century and no less to contribute. Still we have nothing but contempt for others due to our own inadequacies. We can hardly rub two known Scottish intellectuals together and yet we are suddenly an independent nation in the waiting. The truth has always been that the too wee mentality has been a measurement of what we can do and not the physical constraints of our land. Again it comes down to knowledge is power. We see no power because our knowledge has diminished so greatly. Independence holds no fear for those holding the knowledge to use it.
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tartan army 2222,

18/10/2009 09:36:04
Ben the hoose

The last resort of every unionist - personal attacks. Actually, the first resort too.

Oh, and independence in Europe - just like every other member of the EU.
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TWC,

exLabour 18/10/2009 09:48:35
I watched a programme called Glasgow Colours where they looked at the Rangers Celtic divide, it is hard to believe that people are still this thick in Scotland, the sooner they move to the premiership the better.
The Orange order will not affect the ultimate outcome of the constitutional question, only positive policies on both sides will result in a settled decision.
One thing is sure it is not Calman and it is not the Status quo.
I watched Salmond yesterday and he made good sense in saying that Scots need to fight for their share and Scottish priorities and that is where the Unionist tame approach is wanting.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 18/10/2009 10:10:46
The pathetic Scots Unionist politicians should stop running around like headless chickens and find some backbone, if they have any?

Forget opinion polls, the best judge of electoral chances are the bookmakers, and the odds on the Nationalists winning in excess of 10 seats at the next General Election are exceptionally slim?

However, Salmond is on a lifelong crusade, and IF the
Nationalists do confound all the pundits, opinion polls, and the bookies, to increase their number of MPs then the future of this unitary state will be turned upside down?

However, in the highly unlikely event that such a change should ever take place, don't be in the least surprised to see dozens of crypto-Nationalist politicians emerge from the Unionist parties ready to re-align themselves in their next bid for power? Nothing changes!
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Ben Thehoose,

18/10/2009 10:13:32
#33 Tartan Army

I support a federal uk not the union, so your remarks pass me by.

independence is not possible within the EU, so why use that phrase at all?

Your name suggests you are a speaker for the Tartan Taliban.
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jockstrap,

Cyprus 18/10/2009 10:19:29
#25
How come Cyprus can manage to be independent with a much smaller population than Scotland and less natural resources and no real manufacturing. You are talking rubbish.
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TWC,

exLabour 18/10/2009 10:27:46
Rufus

I hope so!

BTW Creature £400 is a lot less than £12K that big brown spent on biscuits cause he couldn't make a decision AGAIN!
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TWC,

exLabour 18/10/2009 10:47:43
I see some of the rats are claiming parliamentary privilege to keep the police from investigating their mortgage claims. I wonder which party they are from?

oh it's Labour again
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Scottish Stoic,

18/10/2009 10:51:38
#25

You are making the assumption that if Scotland was to gain independence the SNP would be constantly re-elected much like the ANC in South Africa after apartheid ended. That could happen but it may not, it would be the decision of the Scottish people.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/10/2009 10:54:21
Creature from the Black Lagoon,18/10/2009 10:48:01

says:-
"You might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb."
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Some of these bottom feeders have made off with the flock.

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tartan army 2222,

18/10/2009 10:56:55
Ben the hoose

The union, a federal uk, either way you're a unionist. If you don't support independence then you support the union ergo you're a unionist.

"Tartan Taliban"
Either that's a unionist attempt at a joke, or you're back to the old insults again.
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BurntislandBob,

Fife 18/10/2009 11:11:02
Is 'The Cheshire Cat' in danger of portraying Scots as selfish? Why shouldn't we pay our share of UK debt?

If he is so intent on further highly questionable public spending why not use the power that the Parliament has: raise income tax by up to 3p. After all, he's always lecturing us about not having enough powers: why not use the one's we've got?

Or perhaps he could do what he promised?...a 'bonfire of the quangos'? He could also remove the promise to remove prescription charges which is the most regressive fiscal move in most of our lifetimes.

Ah, but that would not be popular.......
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Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 18/10/2009 11:17:33
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There would be little point in raising the 3p tax as Scotland average wage is somewhat lower than the UK national wage and most people are employed via some sort of public servitude. That would be robbing Peter to pay Peter.

Scotlands conumdrum - little private sector - too much public sector.
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TWC,

exLabour 18/10/2009 11:23:34
I am a Unionist but want Fiscal Autonomy, but the more people attack Salmond without any positive proposals the more I respect the wee guy.
Did anybody see that clown Glen Campbell or Maybe it was Glen Michael, he went on and on about what cuts the Nats would have, and they kept saying to him you've got our budget proposal nobiody else has done that.
I thought cutting the GARL by the Nats was a stroke of genius, Labour wanted them to struggle and nickel and dime their cuts but they didn't they just picked a big project and said "We're no doing that" brilliant and everybody knows it was Labour that cut the money.
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mark mccann,

18/10/2009 11:30:41
Poor, poor, deluded unionists. You know your desperate when the Orange Order decide to back you.

A word of re-assurance for all of you, when we regain our hard fought independence, the world won't end, frogs won't fall from the sky, you'll just have to wake up, come out blinking into the sunshine, rubbing away the sleep that has sealed your eyes from reality.

Take a deep breath, and, relax!
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 18/10/2009 11:51:54
It's easy. The reason for the spending cuts from London is because Britain is bankrupt. There's no money left.

Independence will save Scottish services.
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mad world,

18/10/2009 12:15:15
#51
britain is bankrupt? really! do you understand what bankrupt means?
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BlackDouglas2,

18/10/2009 12:25:47
53 mad world,18/10/2009 12:15:15
"#51
britain is bankrupt? really! do you understand what bankrupt means?"

Well, perhaps you can enlighten me? Then you can tell me why printing money and accountancy fraud can't conceal its reality?
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TWC,

exLabour 18/10/2009 12:35:11
Salmond just slapped Glen Campbell right down for trying to manufacture a negative slur on Alex neil, he also made the point about that wee lassy who talks like a Labour councillor rattling on wi the usual spin.

What a character he is, no wonder he can strut sitting doon.
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BlackDouglas2,

Britain is bankrupt 18/10/2009 12:38:06
Now that Gordon Brown is selling off the 1100 year old Royal Mint we now increasingly realise that Britain is bankrupt.

People should buy storeable foods, gold/silver, foreign currencies and stocks. Protecting your families is going to require self-sufficiency and forward thinking.

If the British economy and currency hasn't collapsed totally by the time the election comes then voting for independence is imperative. Get out before the economy is destroyed.
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Dave Scott,

Broughty Ferry 18/10/2009 12:39:03
“We shall use Scottish voting power to make London dance to a Scottish tune,” is a moronic and dangerous sound-bite.

A powerful, intelligent and HOSTILE neighbour is something we do not need on this island ya wee tube ... whether independent or not.

How about some diplomacy and tact befitting a First Minister of a nation instead of oikish hubris?
Or do you want “English voting power make an independent Scotland dance to an English tune,”?
It is more than within England's capability to damage us with 'market forces' if their patience wears thin.

So less of the shortbread tin posturing.
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Machelpus,

18/10/2009 12:43:06
Listening to Alec Salmond at the SNP conference he stated he wanted more SNP Mps in Westminster so that London would have to dance to the Scottish Tune, Well Mr Salmond I don't know where you have been for the last 12 years but from Blair/Campbell to Gordon Brown after neutering London [I assume you mean Westminster two very different things] we have been dancing to the Scottish tune and it has reeled us into unbelievable debt, so much so that the family silver from Magistrate Courts to Blackwell Tunnel have to be sold, but of course only the English silver, as devolution has protected you, the English have not the luxury of their own parliament as we have to be along with the parliament in Westminster and being neutured into regions.I hope you get your independence Mr Salmond and just maybe then their will be Justice for England with parity in governence.
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Dave Scott,

Broughty Ferry 18/10/2009 12:54:43
Machelpus,
In principle I agree with a lot of what you have said. England should be afforded the same justice we are claiming for ourselves. Once England finds its voice then Alex Salmond will find himself in a very different world and he is currently digging an unpleasant hole for himself ... and Scotland.
I believe that independence, should that be the destiny, is something that could be mutually agreed to the benefit of all involved. Norway and Sweden parted amicably.
However, I think the gelding of the UK started with Maggie. Since then we've been on borrowed time upheld by hype.
Funny how Blair's Scottish connections only surfaced on his exit :-)
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 18/10/2009 13:05:30
I note that there is not one serious political argument against the SNP leader's speech, just the usual stuff about 'Salmond is fat', 'Salmond is telling lies!'

How pathetic!

If it's a choice between Labour/Tory cuts of the SNP trying to protect Scotland's interests then I think this will prove to be extremely difficult for the unionists to combat. Maybe that's why none of them even try to address the issues and just descend into mindless abuse.
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The Tin Man,

18/10/2009 13:16:32
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"I note that there is not one serious political argument against the SNP leader's speech, just the usual stuff about 'Salmond is fat', 'Salmond is telling lies!'"

There is nothing of substance in his speech to argue about. See Eddie Barnes's analysis.

"Salmond vows to do battle with Labour on spending cuts" = empty piffle. If he was serious about keeping current spending levels, and wealth redistribution, he would also be talking about increasing taxes, and dropping the CT freeze. ID cards and Trident? The Lib Dems are ten times more likely to precipitate the end of Trident, and the Tories will drop ID cards, anyway.

All he said is that he will blame things on others, and do nothing in Scotland to prevent cuts.

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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/10/2009 13:26:45
#55 TWC, #60 McTriangle ... yup I also saw Alex Salmond "rip Glen Campbell a new one" as the saying goes :-)) Definitely recommended viewing for anyone else to watch again later on BBC iPlayer !

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BlackDouglas2,

Britain is bankrupt 18/10/2009 13:29:31
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Can't see it cause I'm in Spain :O(

I wish someone would post key moments like that on youtube so it could go viral..
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/10/2009 14:34:48
Didn't the real Adolph illegally invade other countries?

I'm trying to think who that reminds me of. Can you help me on that one, Daniel Salaman@66?
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The Busman,

18/10/2009 14:49:59
Union or not, the Scottish Government is in for some big budget cuts in the next few years. We seem to be stuck with the trams, but what else comes to mind?

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BlackDouglas2,

Britain is bankrupt 18/10/2009 15:02:12
69 The Busman,18/10/2009 14:49:59

I don't think the SNP realises how bad the British economy is. London is going to cut the Scottish budget even more. Local governments are going to have to make very big decisions about which services to cut.

At the same time stealth taxes are going to go through the roof.

The overall effect will be a massive reduction in living standards. Purchasing power will decrease as London prints more money. There'll be less money for police and teachers etc.

You are going to see an increase in crime and things like old people going through bins for food. Expect enormous emigration as people flee to escape an economy which is heading out of the G20 fast.

The SNP must make it clear to people that if they do not vote for independence then things inside Britain are going to disintegrate and their families will suffer hugely!
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BlackDouglas2,

Britain is bankrupt 18/10/2009 15:14:29
Just in case you missed it. International investors urging people to leave the UK. Plus, the pound is drowning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68w506LH3BE
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Machelpus,

18/10/2009 15:27:50
Dave Scott..
##Funny how Blair's Scottish connections only surfaced on his exit :-)##

Not here or on the ground indeed when he tried to dupe people with his Essex talk I have heard hecklers call ''Fettes Mr bLiar Fettes'', the govt was even nicknamed the Scottish Mafia, so although it was at Donald Dewars behest that you got the poll tax first, it was the Scottish Labour voters that kept the shyster's in the power, that has created the mess we are now in , so instead of recriminations about who did what it is time to vote that will give people the chance to take back the democracy we once had back. the main parties are all lobby fodder, my belief is for a federal system with equal partners doing what is good for each person that calls these Islands home and not the bigoted views I hear now.
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A Crofter,

Pate de Foie Gras Arce 18/10/2009 15:36:30
I can't manage any more bananas - we're all stuffed!

Any views on Menie evictions, FatMan?
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hoblar,

18/10/2009 17:12:04
Tinman: "The Lib Dems are ten times more likely to precipitate the end of Trident...."

Er, not in Scotland they aren't because they have very little influence on Scotland and the fact we in Scotland house Trident, and in the UK they totally lack influence-if the uk had a hung parliament are you really saying that the libdems will force the tories to drop Trident?

An Independent Scotland would get rid of Trident, if Scotland could vote on Trident, or son of Trident, Trident would be gone the day after voting.

You are a clown mate.
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hoblar,

18/10/2009 17:13:44
The pathetic 'new' troll Salman struggles to put forward a coherent sentence, what a pretentious wee man obsessed by referring to the waffen ss rather than politics.
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Publius,

Girvan 18/10/2009 17:36:24
In the unlikely event that Salmond screws more money out of Westminster, it won't be spent wisely. 10 years of devolution in which in in every year Scotland has spent more money per head on education and health than England. Outcomes: English primnary schools have improved faster than Scottish ones and now, for the first time ever, a higher proportion of young people in Enmgland go to University. Scottish health, though improving, lags even further behind England and most of Europe.
Success shouldn't be meaasured by expenditure, only by results.
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DNN,

N E Eng. 18/10/2009 17:57:02
Some English see things thus...
Bankrupt Scots, impoverished through wild and feckless investments, signed up to a dynamic England to form a union. All went reasonably well for a while with a great Scots contribution of brains and grit at the industrial level... Scots then took the helm in the Banks, investments and finally Westminster. Scots then leave a bankrupted Union.... Oh well, thats the way the shortbread crumbles, eh?
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DNN,

N E Eng. 18/10/2009 18:27:13
I share some of the Black Douglas2 sense of the dire and doomful process that awaits these Nations of ours, but I would rather bend as the Longbow, within a fistful of taught, lean, branches than be broken as a lone arrow across the knee of an avaricious US and then further ruined by their undemocratic and duplicious Chinese workhouse confederates.
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Curley Bill,

18/10/2009 18:46:30
#80 - Whit??
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hoblar,

18/10/2009 19:32:12
I am afraid there was very little that was 'dynamic' about England in the years before the 1707 union mate.

You want to read and understand your history, but to help you out you could google who actually WANTED the union, and believe me England did,

Who (England) was getting rather skint due to French Privateers knicking all the goods from laden ships arriving from India,

Who (England) had a national debt of £3.50 per head (mostly due to costly wars against European Neighbours including Scotland) when Scotland had a national debt of.....drumroll......25pence per head. (some union dividend eh, inheriting all that debt?

SO, you need to learn English history pre union from a better source than the daily telegraph mate, nothing dynamic was going on with England at all.

I suppose when you have the likes of daft historian Starkey feeding you kak, the guy who thinks that the Wars of the Roses was a time of peace in England when everybody and their aunti could claim the English throne, whereas the nutter reckons that a 250 year reign by the Stewarts of Scotland was a time of strife! lol

After that 250 years the King of Scotland, a Stewart, (James VI and I) then took the English crown, by inheritance. lol

cheers
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langtonian,

uphall 18/10/2009 20:01:11
With the end of the party political season it is now an opportunity for voters to cast an eye over there choice of which party to vote in to power for the next 5 years.

All th spin doctor's will be sharpening their scalpel's for a media feeding frenzy of truth's half -truth's and even some downright blatant lies; the paramount ,most important of all person,s of all are those fortunate enough to have DEMOCRATIC Vote at their disposal.

Every last iota of focuss ,by ALL parties is to present a manifesto of intent for the 5 year term.

Voters have to assured of the continuity of these manifestoe's for a 5year Parlimentary period of time.

There must be none of this REFERENDA nonsense in that period of time;somewhat akin to changing the rules of any game ,half way through it's due proceess.

The winning political party that hear's black rod banging on the Westminster doors to signal the start of said 5 year session must be given that full period of time to process their given manifesto.

Their also should be seriouse campaign by ALL parties to encourage a high volume turn out of voters .

Percentage of turnout is the key to getting the best party for the Westminster Elections FOR ALL THE VOTERS.
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BlackDouglas2,

Britain is bankrupt 18/10/2009 20:30:20
I see Das Herald Sturmer is at it again:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/snp-demolishes-the-right-to-buy-1.926928

I think abolishing the right to buy is a great idea. There are already too many houses in the private sector. It is no coincidence that since the right to buy council houses was extended that Scots have become poorer and there is more homelessness. If people want to own a house let them buy one from the private sector. It will be a supply and demand balance. The councils have no business involving themselves distorting the private sector supply like this.

The countries worst affected by the crisis are the countries with the highest levels of home-ownership. Germany with a much lower level of home ownership is holding the EU together.

Scotland needs a strong public sector housing position. There should be legislation passed to protect council houses being sold off by future political thieves..
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hoblar,

18/10/2009 20:49:00
Contrary to what langtonian thinks, that we should all get ready to swell up our chests with pride over the failed Westminster government and wait six years or more for a referendum.........tell that to the likes of gray murphy (his boss) and brown and the rest who wish to badmouth any idea of Independence as often as possible (murphy even wanted to 'debate' it)-or have another platform to slag it off more like) and yet, as long as a referendum is being rubbished, everything is fine.

But don't for heavens sake actually have a referendum on Independence!

Rubbishing it and talking about it more than the SNP is fine.

But don't let's have a referendum! Because as we know from 'Scottish' labour, 'Scottish' tories and (oh the liberals aren't so sure-forgot that) according to these minion unionists, Scotland doesn't want a referendum, or it would be 'damaging' for whatever new reason they can think of (used to be 'schools or NHS' it would damage, the new one is 'the economy' or the 'recession', already broken like a wrecked tonka toy).

So let's have loads of anti referendum stuff, but for gawd's sake don't have a referendum, because the labour party and tories know for a fact that they can speak for me, or my friends and family in Scotland when they say, with no evidence that we don't want a referendum.

And yet, although the result would be close I reckon one way or the other, about 70% of Scots want a referendum.

Who is scared of the result so much that they refuse to entertain the idea against 70% of Scots?

The labourtory efforts.
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langtonian,

uphall 18/10/2009 21:16:02
That I have not explained sufficiently or with lack of clarity my position on Referenda.

When a political party produces a manifesto for a given 5 year term; within that document is the particular parties stated proramme for tthe forthcoming term of parliament.

It must be clear, concise,and "doable",they stand or fall at the following elections by showing an abbility to complete their objectives.

Those parties wishing for particular items to be voted on better make sure they are up front,nothing to surprise or confuse;keep the manifesto a"simple" document.

The voters will winkle out any attempts from ANY party to subvert their wishes.

High Percentage turn out has to be the key.
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livilion,

livingston 19/10/2009 00:20:52
#84 BlackDouglas2,Britain is bankrupt

With respect, the 'Right to Buy' is not the problem, my parents bought their council house at its full market value, back in the 70s during the Wilson/Callaghan era, when Labour still called each other comrade, believed in clause 4, and they knew the words to 'the Red Flag'.
My folks paid off their 25 year mortgage the same year the Scottish Parliament reconvened.

The problem introduced by Thatcher was the 'Right to Buy - with Huge Discounts on Market Price to Produce New Property Owning Tory Voters', making social housing completely uneconomic to build as sitting tenants then had the right to buy at less than it cost to build their home and then flogg off their new asset at the current market value, often more than double their mortgage value.

This in turn enabled mass borrowing against spiraling property values and in so doing sowed the seeds of the economic whirlwind UK plc is now reaping.

If you are going to let tenants buy their council house then the council must be permitted to recoup their outlay and be in a position to replace that stock for future generations. Rocket science it ain't.
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ecosseman,

FACT NOT PROPAGANDA 19/10/2009 11:39:43
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ALEX&CO

SCOTLAND NEEDS YOU,OUR PEOPLE NEED YOU.

FOR A BETTER SCOTLAND,VOTE SNPX

SIMPLES!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!

 

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