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Published Date: 28 September 2008
ALEX Salmond is to ask a cash-rich Arab state to stump up billions of pounds to pay for desperately-needed upgrades to Scotland's creaking road, rail and power networks.
The First Minister will head to Qatar next year with plans to persuade the oil-rich emirate to act as Scotland's banker. Salmond wants Qatar to loan funds for massive capital projects the Scottish Government cannot afford, including the £4bn new Forth Road Bridge and a £5bn undersea electricity cable.

The plan – dubbed by critics a "Middle Eastern PFI" – would involve the Scottish Government paying back any loans over decades.

Labour last night warned the plan could lead to Scottish assets falling into the hands of foreign owners, who stood to make huge profits out of any investment.

But observers say Salmond has few options: the Scottish Government has too little surplus money in any year for major projects and the SNP has itself ruled out conventional PFI funding.

Governments across the Western world are looking towards the Middle and Far East to secure finance from their sovereign funds, the state-owned investment funds which nations such as Qatar have built up on the back of huge oil profits.

Qatar's fund alone is now believed to be worth $60bn, a figure which is expected to double by 2010. The International Monetary Fund, a global organisation which lends money to struggling nations, says that total investments by sovereign funds will hit $12,000bn by 2012.

Any deal with Scotland would see a foreign sovereign fund paying up-front to build a major project, and then being paid back over a number of years, with interest.

The Scottish Government is understood to have already begun preliminary talks over the plan for a huge under-sea electricity cable in the North Sea, which would allow wind and wave power from the north of Scotland to be transmitted to the south of England.

Bankers are already eyeing up major projects, such as the new Forth Bridge as a possible contender for Middle Eastern investment.

One Edinburgh banker said: "The Scottish Government is looking at sovereign funds, along with everyone else. This is a fact. You follow the money and it goes to the Middle East. They are trying to do just that."

Scotland on Sunday can reveal that Salmond has personally requested that the Islamic Finance Council – a Scottish-based body which represents Islamic financial interests – to explore "the possibility of using Islamic financing structures to address the infrastructure needs of Scotland".

Under this scheme, ministers would issue a special bond which meets Islamic ethical investment standards in return for up-front funding – known as a Sukkuk. The UK Treasury is understood to be about to issue such a bond later this year.

It is required if governments are to fully tap into the vast resources held by the Middle Eastern sovereign funds.

Omar Shaikh, a board member at the IFC, said the moves simply reflected the new world order in the wake of the credit crunch, which has seen loans from banks dry up.

He said: "Where is the money at present? It is in these sovereign funds. You are looking at £5 trillion of wealth. It is a problem for them to find quality assets to invest in."

Of Salmond's visit to Qatar, he added: "This kind of plan is something we have been promoting for some time. Scotland is actually slow in getting off the mark here. Obviously, it is important that Scotland gets the best deal, but it is also important that we deal with those who have the money."

The Qatar visit has been planned for some time and follows similar visits by political leaders in both Wales and Ireland. A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government said: "The Scottish Government is in ongoing discussions with the Qatari government, exploring options for a possible visit by the First Minister intended to establish broader business and investment links."

A source close to the First Minister added last night: "In challenging economic circumstances, it is even more important that the Government pursues every single business and investment opportunity to grow the Scottish economy."

The potential for a deal is nearly limitless, say finance chiefs. A report by the IFC to the Scottish Government, submitted earlier this year, specifically focused on the Forth Road Bridge.

It declared: "Market reports indicates that the Scottish Government is looking for funding of £3bn+ in the coming years, indeed the cost of a new Forth Road Bridge is estimated to be between £3.2bn and £4.2bn. Within the budget constraints that the current Scottish Government has to work within they need to look for more radical funding streams, different funding streams, innovate funding options."

The IFC says the taxpayer could be better off under such an arrangement than under the old PFI scheme, as rates of return would be more attractive.

The task of securing funding for Scotland's major infrastructure projects has now been handed over to the Scottish Futures Trust, headed by Sir Angus Grossart.

However, Labour last night said the plans smacked of hypocrisy. Finance spokesman Andy Kerr said: "For Mr Salmond and his party, who spent the last few months and years telling the people of Scotland that they were against private profit in public services, it is ironic and hypocritical of them to be now chasing sovereign funds in the Middle East."

He added: "However, given the record of recent sell-outs by the SNP, the people of Scotland will be not be surprised. They have spent the last 18 months trying to replace PPP, shattered confidence in the marketplace in Scotland and came up with the Scottish Futures Trust, or as Unison and almost everyone else would call it, PPP Mark Two. Now they know they have a problem funding their commitments they are off to the Middle East to sell Scottish assets to foreign investors."

The full article contains 990 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 September 2008 9:08 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 00:05:46
If Salmond wins his referendum in 2010 as he claims, then surely borrowing money from Qatar will be unnecessary.

All these huge North Sea oil revenues will start flooding in and we will have unlimited wealth to spend.
2

Castaway,

28/09/2008 00:13:12
#1-Norway's Petroleum Fund (The Government Pension Fund - Global):
The initial investment of $300 million was made in the spring of 1996.
The fund was valued at $387.3 billion in March 2008, Norway's central bank reported.15/04/2008
Estimated worth US$563.7 billion by the end of 2009 which equates to $119,936 for every person living in Norway.
3

Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 00:13:42
And don't forget that in 10 years time, all families in Scotland will be £10,000 a year better off.

Well thats what John Swinney says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7089402.stm

The Scottish Government is to start a consultation in the next few weeks on replacing council tax with a local income tax.
Finance Secretary John Swinney said the plan is part of a 10-year economic strategy to make households £10,000 a year better off.



4

Highland Property Bubble,

Inverness 28/09/2008 00:14:07
Wee Eck proposes selling Scotland's infrastructure to the Middle East.
This man should be sectioned before he does any further damage to the reputation of our once great nation.
5

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 28/09/2008 00:14:24
It is surprising but welcome to see that Rufus T Firefly realises that Scottish independence will free up cash from the North Sea Oil. Until we have independence like Qatar we will need to borrow from them. When we have our wealth restored to us we will be able to repay the loans. In the meantime there are other things we could do for our mutual benefit.
6

Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 00:23:49
So every family will be £10,000 a year better off. Thats pretty good. Makes you want to vote SNP. That could pay for 4 or 5 holidays a year. I wonder how John Swinney costed it.

It beats me why Salmond needs to go running cap in hand to Qatar when we will all be so wealthy from Scotland's oil.

Here is another link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7099163.stm

Mr Swinney and Mr Salmond both spoke of a "new age of ambition" for Scotland when they appeared at Glasgow University on Tuesday to unveil their economic strategy.



MSPs voted to scrap tolls on the Forth and Tay road bridges

They repeated their target of raising Scotland's economic growth rate from the present 2.3% to the UK level of 3% by 2011.

And then they had a dream: an independent Scotland, matching the 4% average growth rate of other small European countries, by 2017.

Each household, said Mr Swinney, would be £10,000 a year better off.



7

Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 00:29:26
All those people on benefits will never need to work again. Once they add £10,000 a year to their benefit allowance, they will be rich beyond their wildest dreams.
8

Castaway,

28/09/2008 00:33:56
#6 Labour said that under the SNP it would cost at least £5000 more for every family in Scotland. Now that is £50,000 over ten years.
Actually the Adam Smith said-The Scottish economy could enjoy record growth if Scotland became independent,leaving the average Scot many thousands of pounds better off each year.
Measured in household income per head, Scotland, which started £1,700 behind the rest of the UK, could be expected to be £6,000 ahead of it at the end of that period.(10 years).April 27, 2007
9

Jock Thomson,

Ayr 28/09/2008 00:34:54
Alex Salmond has eventually had to break cover in a desperate gamble to secure funding for his infantile Socialist plans.

We all gave you so much space, Alex, in the hope that you might grow into the job and use your (alleged) financial skills to turn Scotland around. But what do we get in return for our trust?

A bended knee approach to an intolerant Middle East dictatorship for cash to finance hopeless and ill-conceived projects equal to the worst that Labour has ever produced.

A multi-billion project to transfer a pathetic amount of power from a Utopian scheme to harness wind and wave power from technology not yet developed. Funding for a new Forth bridge needed only because of the sheer lack of joined up thinking. If you live in Fife, then you should be able to work in Fife. If you are heading for Victoria Quay by the way, then your journey is probably a waste of everyone’s time in the first place.

I could go on but what is the point. We have backed yet another loser and we are rapidly running out of options. Not only that, but we are about to allow a foreign power to get their hands on the title deeds of our country, courtesy of yet another cheapskate politician.
10

Stepford Nat,

28/09/2008 00:37:18
4 Lara

He is not. Like Simon on X Factor, you perceive whichever one you're watching as by far the worst ever. There are certainly many worse than him.

www,snp.org.qa.uk - Independence, insha' Allah!
11

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 00:53:43
Better to go to Qatar for dosh than Westminster, eh no, Rufus?

At least Qatar now knows where we are.

And besides, do you have a problem if Government borrowing goes to the lowest bidder for a change?

Eh?
12

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:01:59
Jocj Thomson, you should try Kenfitamine instead of Lophretamine.

Any country begging for money is depressing enough. But they're all doing in a global credit crunch.

Shame about Scotland though. Aye, there's the union for you.
13

Jwil,

28/09/2008 01:05:44
If the USA can be in hawk to China then why should Scotland not raise cash in the Middle East?
14

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:08:03
The remarkable thing about this story is the way the journalist wavers from the party line as the article deepens.

Deepens, Labour numpts - that is you shallow lot out of your depths for a start.
15

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:10:08
17, Lara. Yes, I know. Yes, I know.
16

Stepford Nat,

28/09/2008 01:11:58
15 Lara

but I'm one of you's

www snp,org.uk "All Eck is saying, is give pies a chance"
17

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:16:39
That should be 19, Lara etc

26, Stepford. A pie's a pie for a' that.
18

GM,

28/09/2008 01:17:31
Read this so-called piece of journalism and weep...

If there is such a music as unionist barrel scraping then now is the time to play it.
19

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:18:18
bto. How were your predictions with the football today? Points?
20

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:22:41
Agree, 29, GM. We could have had an article about the normality and globality of this kind of lending.
21

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 01:24:59
They've always got the "SNP to twin an independent Scotland with Al Quaeda" tucked up their sleeves.. honestly these guys are idiots.
Clear evidence to me that the union is dead.
22

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 01:25:53


bring them on ~27,

"As for his brain...."

The Headline Says it All!! :D

Dreams of the,...'Wise-Men' on Camels, bringing riches!

Problem being!, there is NO Jesus, this time in the crib!


23

livilion,

livingston 28/09/2008 01:26:05
flippen liberty whoever thought of selling off our precious Scottish resources, next thing they'll be wanting to sell off the whisky industry, or give the Spanish our fishing grounds or just flogg our land to any old soul from who knows where with a few bob to spare.
No, n!p(cyberpolis) this in the bud now, or before you know it there'll be nothing left to call Scottish in this country and our children's birth right will be in the hands of Johnny Foreigner, is this what we want to leave to future generations?
24

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:26:21
bring them on. Don't you boast on football threads about how much you can cause havoc on on non football related threads? Well, I am now on 22 points on the forum. How many are you?
25

GM,

28/09/2008 01:27:28
@31
and expect more of the same as we approach the Glenrothes by-election.

More doom and gloom from the 'ye can't do that' unionist brigade who seem never to learn from the various spankings delivered in May 2007, Glasgow east etc.



If I didn't know better, I'd assume from such blatant transparent and obvious propaganda that The Scotsman was actually a thinly veiled nationalist journal, geared towards turning voters away from the 'union dividend'.
26

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:29:40
livilion@34. If I was the last Scotsman in Scotland, you can rest assured that I would leave my country in good hands.

Sorry, Westminster, not you.
27

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:31:04
Ah, GM. Is there a crop of you?
28

Jock MacSprog,

28/09/2008 01:32:00
i think its absolutely hilarious that this party that so yearns for independence is constantly having to turn to other regions and countrys to support Scotland. Southeast England, Qatar, the US, etc etc. ALso, why does the journalist refer to the "Scottish Government" in the article ? There is no such thing, this is a term that was made up by the SNP to pretend Scotland is a Nation. THe legal name (and that which appears on all official documents) is the Scottish Executive. I could put a sign that says Buckingham Palace outside my flat, but sadly that would not make it so. Pretendy, populist politics at work again by the SNP. I wake up each day and look at the papers to see what new, daft, bizarre utterance has come from the mouth of he of the multiple chins. Its a laugh a minute with the Gnats !
29

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:34:51
GM, 36. It was always mooted that the Scotsman was run by closet nationalists.

This time, though, courtesy of Johnston publications, I'm not so sure.

I think that they are just plain daft.

30

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 28/09/2008 01:35:31
Jock Thomson #14 displayed hi ignorance by saying "A bended knee approach to an intolerant Middle East dictatorship for cash to finance hopeless and ill-conceived projects equal to the worst that Labour has ever produced."

Alex Salmond will not be bending any knee. He will be discussing a loan on commercial terms and the Qatar sovereign fund will discuss the terms with him.

You would do the same thing if you wanted a bank loan.

Apparently you don't consider it important for Scotland to build up its decrepit infrastructure. It wouldn't have that problem if it hadn't been treated like a colony by the Westminster government for so many years.


31

GM,

28/09/2008 01:36:21
@40

the cringe factor in full flow...

Lets not forget how the tinpot 'government' in scotland is nothing more than a mere 'executive' department of westminster.



Keep it up lad... these kinds of contributions have driven up the popularity of the current scottish administration!
32

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:39:01
Thank you Lara, 41, I am truely honoured.

McSprog. The sun rises in a few hours. I will be a cross at your place then.
33

dude,

wishaw 28/09/2008 01:39:50
for all you unionists out there, does it not disturb you that to get any money for infrastructure other than rip off PFI we have to go to another country for this help.

if the union was so great could we not just ask the BOE for this money?
34

GM,

28/09/2008 01:41:48
@46

don't put him off Lara... I love it when a self-serving unionist appears to remind me (and others) how we used to swallow the lies but have now awoken to the spin, obfuscation and spin of the 'union at *any* cost' contributors.


Time and time again I see their tissue of 'truths' dissolve under scrutiny.
35

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:46:44
Hello? Unionists? Are you there?
36

livilion,

livingston 28/09/2008 01:50:15
37 Jock Tamson
Well if you are intent on leaving don't let the door hit you on the chorus on the way out.
37

livilion,

livingston 28/09/2008 01:52:28
51 Lara Crofter
Perhaps we are being subject to windup merchants and Telegraph readers passing themselves off as natives?
38

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 28/09/2008 01:53:59
50* yes, but there not all there, but then they never were!
39

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:12:48
Courtesy of the CIA

Qatar Oil - production:
1.1 million bbl/day

Scottish Oil - production:
1.6 million bbl/day

Qatar gained it's independence from *guess who* in 1971.

40

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:12:49


Underdogs have to 'cling-on-to-srings'

Scotland! What Scotland,?
41

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:13:55


Underdogs have to 'cling-on-to-strings'

Scotland! What Scotland,?
42

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:19:03
57, bto.
Talking of wind breaking, I had a very good 4 today. That was on the predictor of course.
43

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:19:06


bring them on ~61,

Lara is lovely name, taka a neb,

.............

The girl's name Lara \l(a)-ra\ is pronounced LAR-ah. It is of Latin origin, and its meaning is "protection". From "Lares", referring to the individual gods of Roman households, the protectors of home and fields. Also possibly (Latin) "cheerful; famous". It may also be traced to the Greek Larissa. Lara is popular in Russia; it is also a Spanish surname and place name. Literary: name of a central character in Boris Pasternak's novel "Doctor Zhivago". Actress Lara Flynn Boyle.
44

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:19:52
57, bto.
Talking of wind breaking, I had a very good 4 today. That was on the predictor of course.
45

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:20:57
#60
Charles Linskaill

No...That's Puppets and who might they be?
46

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:21:04


And! LONG-LIVE the new Flag on Edinburgh Castle!

The Polish Flag!
47

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:21:06
Oh dear, I just rejavascript:__doPostBack('wctlAddComment1$ctl00$btnPost','')
Post Commentpeated myself
48

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:22:37
Charles, would you not rather make love to DYW?
49

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:23:23
#63
bring them on

What I get up to under the covers is my business.
50

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:23:31



Col. Blimp­IV* ~67,


Sad as it maybe I speak the Truth, the "Puppets" are US!
51

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:24:40
70. bto, had that one down as 1-0. Got a point though.
52

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:28:55
It's time to cut the strings Charles.
53

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:31:57
If anyone knows how I managed to write that @69 then please tell.
54

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:33:13


Jock Tamson ~71,

Yes! 'of-course',..but,..

DYW is going through an extremely difficult, emotional time at present, after IVF Fail.

I am NO rookie in life, and what it brings, but this time, in this situation, it takes all life's learning to be understanding.

55

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:35:06


bring them on ~78,

YES! Born and bred in Gorgie!
56

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:35:10
No, bto@78. I made a mistake. Had Falkirk down for 1-0. Dundee United v Hearts I had as 1-2.

Not telling what I have for tomorrow.
57

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:37:59
*Please enter your comment*
58

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28/09/2008 02:40:07
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:41:03


Col. Blimp­IV ~84,

Be Serious! you told me to "Cut the Strings"! :D
60

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:41:09
Charles, perhaps you can be too understanding. Yes, I know, it comes with age but just get in there and dae it.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Once DYW turns into a breeding penpusher then you know the odds turn against you.

Get back to nature. Get those thingybits juicing up.
61

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:42:40
Jock - If you right click and left click on the post button, more or less simultaneously you get that message.
62

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28/09/2008 02:46:08
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:52:40
Oh, dear Lord, is that the time? And it is not Hogmanay.

Sorry, Charles, no offence intended. Bit tiddly tonight. Hence the flippancy and lateness.

bto. You do realise that after tonight - when I am sober - I will criticise you like f c k.

Thank you ColB, 90. I did not know I could even do that - and I passed a pilots aptitude test. But I was sober when I did that.
64

Col. Blimp­IV*,

28/09/2008 02:55:20
bto.c.#.72.
65

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 02:55:30

Jock Tamson ~89,

"just get in there and dae it."

If only!, But I am not like that, one may say, that's why I fail in life, I cant change to who I am, and who I am meant to be,

Wisdom does not fail, it only challenges, if the challenge is greater than the Wisdom, one can only learn, albeit one we never expected.
66

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 28/09/2008 03:18:56
The Conservatives sold the Skye Bridge to Bank of America, Labour has sold the airports to Spain, the nuclear power stations to France, etc, etc, etc.

At least we still own Edinburgh Castle . . . oops, part of that belongs to Nova Scotia.
67

W Smith,

Middle East 28/09/2008 03:49:26
Interesting.

Here is the anti-British monarchy SNP looking to an arab royal family for cash.

1) The present Emir of Qatar became ruler after kicking out his dad from power. His dad was on holiday at the time in Switzerland and was told in no uncertain terms not to show face.

2) Palestinian supporter and friend of Galloway Mr Ernie Ross formerly Labour Party MP from Dundee has contacts with the Qatar Royal family.

3) The Qatar royal family own Al Jazeera which always has the latest video from Osama Bin Laden to broadcast to the world before any other TV station.

4) Qatar is not a democracy and still has the death penalty and its strange that the anti-death penalty SNP should have dealings with this regime.

5) The Qatar Royal family own and control the oil and gas revenue. Imagine the fuss the SNP would make if the UK's oil revenue was controlled by Prince Charles.

BTW
With this cash the SNP will be obliged to see more mosques are being built in Scotland and that all muslim terrorism can be excused using Israel as Islam's sick note.

Oh..sorry ....I see Alex Salmond's doing that already.
68

Weegiewarbler,

Docked 28/09/2008 03:53:05
Sensible man:

Borrow at the best rates available under the best terms allowable.

Broker the best deal feasible for the nation after decades of London mismanagement and underinvestment in infrastructure.

Work for control of your own destiny and the ability to eliminate obligations in the shortest term feasible.

Let us realize that at this time, Scotland (plc) as an apparent direct result of Westminster mismanagent has infrastructure issues that are in what can only be described as "dire straits".

To get the investment, the infrastructure must be in place, and to get the infrastructure up to date takes money.

Well done to the Scottish government for trying to broker the best deal for the Scottish nation.
69

democracy,

Scottish Borders 28/09/2008 04:35:25
Oh dear, listen to all those New Labour cry babies worried to death that Salmond is going to get his funding from a more reliable and fairer source than their own greedy little PFI sources where even the New Labour politicians were creaming it!

Now they are not happy that Salmond and Scotland might succeed without them, so they are all out in force stamping their feet in total frustration just like the little children they all are and also proves all they care about is themselves and their duplicitous party and stuff the stupid people of Scotland!!
70

somerferg,

perth 28/09/2008 04:38:55

#102 - not to sure what "sruggling" actually means. Possibly a term of endearment?? All I do know is that you anti SNP posters are becoming more and more desperate and seem to bring no more than a few badly chosen insults (trying to link the SNP with AlQueda seems to be a favourite especially from the clown who apparently lives in the middle east!!) to the forum. Surely it has nothing to do with an upcoming by-election?? Seems like a good idea and good on Alex Salmond - as usual looking after Scotland's best interests and doing it in a professional way - sometime that the liebour/tory/fibdems could never do because they are all too buzy tugging the forelock as Wasteminster lackeys.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

28/09/2008 06:17:46
The only true alternative of course is to give Scotland full autonomoy over its own income and resourses.
The Barnett formula pittance just doesnt cut it.
73

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 06:27:01
40

Idiot boy the US is turning to the middle east to borrow 700 billion to bail out the NYSE and they are the most suceessful independent nation on the planet more so even than the UK who also borrows massive sums of money.
Its how all Independent countrys work under capitalist regimes.
What this emphisises of course is one think Small nations with large resourses fair better than even large nations with large resourses and certainly large nations with little or no resourses because they either dont have to borrow or they borrow less.
If Scotland had full control over its on fiscal resourses it would have to borrow a penny.
74

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 06:27:55
110

If Scotland had full control over its on fiscal resourses it would have to borrow a penny.

Should read wouldnt have to borrow a penny of course.

Sorry about that.
75

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 06:28:46
Mr Salmond of course is very cleverly exposing the "union dividend" to Scotland.
76

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 06:29:07
And what price the Tram project now?
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 06:31:07
101

Israel of course doesnt rely on the US for billions to prop it up and the UK government has never ever touched a penny in middle east money.
Ever Ever.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 28/09/2008 06:55:21
So much for the much vaunted Scottish Futures. Salmond goes cap in hand to Qatar. You couldn't make it up.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 07:03:28
116

WTF do you call the Barnett formula if it isnt Scotland with its cap in hand?
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Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 07:06:34
We have money to burn when it comes to trams, but we have to ask Qatar for a sub to fix some potholes. What a freaking joke.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 28/09/2008 07:22:13
101 W Smith,Middle East: "Qatar is not a democracy and still has the death penalty and its strange that the anti-death penalty SNP should have dealings with this regime"

Eh, and does not the US have the death penalty? Think before you type, f@ckwit.

102 bring them on, "Sruggling Salmond (an expert economist, mind you) has made a complete diddy of himself with this childish (but dangerous) idea"

Maybe if Scotland had control of it's resourses it would not have to borrow money from abroad, same as above think before you type, you pr ick.





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Alec M,

Falkirk 28/09/2008 07:22:42
Quote from the article : "Labour last night warned the plan could lead to Scottish assets falling into the hands of foreign owners, who stood to make huge profits out of any investment."

Of course, the same Labour lot would NEVER do that, would they???

EDF ? Just last week?
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danielrober,

28/09/2008 07:29:06
The under sea cable has been planned for at least 20 years, so nothing new here, just a sensible diversion scheme for power generation. The cable will most likely transfer coal and nuclear to Southern England. The Southern English have been the strongest traditional market for Scottish energy so baring anything crazy this market should remain.

But it will be interesting to see what kind of deal is done over the shinny bridge project. With a very low level of user numbers, a second bridge and a drive around option, the income for such a venture is very high risk.

I wonder what kind of guarantees will need to be offered for this bridge. After all for that price the Qatar team could pay for the Danish/German bridge.The through traffic on that structure would be far higher, producing more income.


Very interesting.
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danielrober,

28/09/2008 07:31:04
# 119 Alan Reid,NZ


Ah, the top of your charming debating skills.
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Chatatara,

28/09/2008 07:42:33
This is all good news. I dont earn 10,000 a year so does that mean I will now have my pay plus another 10,000.00??
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cabrach loon,

inverness 28/09/2008 07:45:54
Time for Scotland to recognise its viability as a nation and break free. Switzerland and Singapore are two places to model itself on plus a bit from the Gulf States. Let's do it, and do it soon before westminster has squandered everything in the Broon Smear's debt!
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 07:51:39
"Governments across the Western world are looking towards the Middle and Far East to secure finance from their sovereign funds, the state-owned investment funds which nations such as Qatar have built up on the back of huge oil profits."

Not sure if anybody else picked this up or noticed the irony of Scotlands position today.

Qatar there but by the grace of God.
Norway there but by the grace of God
Bahrain there but by the grace of God.

Etc etc.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 07:54:50
Hey parcelofrogues did you ever go to school?

Did you never learn how to spell you Thicko?

Now write this out 1000 times:

INCREASE and RESOURCE.

(not INCREACE and RESOURSE you dimwit)

These are not difficult words, my 5 year old daughter can even spell them. Just shows how patently stupid you are.

You come on here and insult anybody with an opposing viewpoint whilst you have the spelling ability worse than a 5 year old. What a fool.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 28/09/2008 08:05:11
Turning to sovereign wealth funds as a source of Infrastructure funding is an excellent strategy.

One thing about the "Islamic" sources that you should be aware of is that according to Sharia the charging of interest is forbidden. So those giant middle eastern funds just have to sit as unproductive cash when not invested.

This means that they are very amenable to getting this money working. You could probably do a deal where they fund the entire project, get the revenue from it for a set number of years and then agree to sell it back in a set number of years at a set price.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 08:09:06
#124, yes Chatatara, you will have your salary PLUS you will be the equivalent of an extra £10,000 a year better off.

Certainly thats what John Swinney says.

He did not make it clear however if it will be a transition process (£1,000 a year better off each year for the next 10 years) or whether it will be a big bang approach (in 10 years time we will all suddenly be £10,000 a year better off).

Either way, John Swinney should be warmly congratulated for making us all rich beyond our wildest dreams.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 08:11:32
128

And that from a tool who spells T R O L L as
Rufus T. Firefly.
At least my spelling is closer than yours.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 08:14:14
128

Now right out 100 times

T R O L L

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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 08:16:46
128

Of course all of that is in order to avoid dealing with the point made regarding your idiotic post.
Your standards even for a troll are pathetic.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 08:17:33
Hey Parcel that was not a very resourseful reply.

Sounds like your blood pressure may be increacing to boiling point.



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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 08:23:33
What about the Union Dividend?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 08:25:45
Hey Parcel you dimwit, how does it feel to be on this forum, posting on every topic going 24 by 7? It must be exciting being you.

TIP: Buy yourself a Nintendo DS and do some brain training.

Come back in 6 months and we will test you to see if you have reached the bare minimum level of intelligence required to allow you to make some basic postings on this forum.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 08:30:27
136

I dont know how does it feel?
6 months in troll school? is that all nae wonder yer cr*p at this.
When I graduate how many logons do I get to use?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 28/09/2008 08:32:08
Alex asking Arabs for Baksheesh!

Will he sit on a blanket with a borrowed dog on some Qatari street corner?

With all the idle resources we've got a home the answer to our financial woes are right here. I thought Two Pays was some sort of economist?
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 08:32:51
134

But according to you its resourceful?
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Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 08:33:47
135 - what union dividend ? Like working till you drop (Blunkett) or ID cards which we'll have to cough up for ?
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Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 08:35:43
138 - don't fash yourself Broon is the man to lead us through these hard times,after all he has the qualifications. Hasn't he ? He hasn't ? !
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 28/09/2008 08:35:45
UK Govt are too busy rescuing Bradford & Bingley to worry about funding "North Britain".

An excellent initiative from Alex. AND if it winds up the unionistas, so much the better. :-)
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/09/2008 08:36:04
138

Oh well thats no rascist in any shape or form nae wonder yer a Brit nat.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

28/09/2008 08:37:26
The new Forth Road Bridge is not due to be completed until 2017 at the earliest.

Salmond says the majority of us want independence and will vote for it in 2010.

Therefore we will all be rich beyond ou