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Salmond takes £1bn demand to Westminster



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Published Date: 12 October 2008
ALEX Salmond is demanding an extra £1bn from Westminster in an attempt to protect the Scottish economy from the worst excesses of the global financial crisis.
As the Scottish economy is swept up by worldwide financial turbulence, the First Minister has identified money held in the UK Treasury that he believes should be handed over to Scotland to boost the economy.

Salmond will convene a special Economic Cabinet on Tuesday in an effort to drive his proposal forward and exert some influence over an economic situation that is already out of control.

His plea for more money will infuriate those who believe that Scotland already receives more than its fair share of funding from the Treasury. Salmond's opponents will also interpret the move as another SNP bid to drive a wedge between Holyrood and Westminster.

The First Minister has earmarked a series of funds which he believes should be subjected to the Barnett Formula, the controversial mechanism that allocates Scottish funding and results in Scots receiving £1,500 per head more of public spending than the English.

"We are facing extraordinary and highly volatile circumstances, and everything that can be done must be done to protect jobs, investment and household incomes," a spokesman for the First Minister said.

"The SNP Government's priority is protecting Scotland's economy. We should also be in a position during these difficult times to use Scotland's resources much more fully. That's why the Economic Cabinet will identify additional resources which could form a potential £1bn programme of investment to help reflate Scotland's economy, including accessing Scottish Government funds currently held at Westminster.

"At a time when the UK Government's own budget rules have effectively been set aside in an attempt to get to grips with the financial and banking crisis, it makes every sense for the tight and unfair Westminster controls on Scotland's budget to be relaxed – so that we can invest in a package to support the real economy and stave off the threat of recession."

All Cabinet secretaries and junior ministers with portfolios looking after transport, climate change, enterprise, energy and tourism will attend the meeting to be held during the parliamentary recess next week.

Ministers will claim the Barnett Formula should be applied to the London Olympics regeneration spending fund, action that would result in Scotland receiving £33m per year until 2013. And, if applied to the £1.2bn Carter Review of Prisons Spending in England and Wales, the formula would net Scotland £120m.

Similarly, there would be £40m of Barnett consequentials for Scotland between 2008 and 2011, if the formula were to be applied to police and firefighter commutation costs south of the border.

Salmond will also call for the relaxation of Treasury restrictions that are currently preventing the release of more than £120m from the Fossil Fuel Levy surplus.

Another source of income would be found by bringing forward the Scottish Government's £42m underspend, which is currently held at Westminster until 2011.

According to the SNP, a further £476m, which Scotland lost out on as a result of the suspension of the Council Tax Benefit mechanism, ought to be made available. The mechanism was introduced at the outset of devolution so that the Treasury could claw back money from the devolved administrations, which were expected to charge a higher council tax than England. In reality, Scottish council tax rates and rents increased at a lower rate than south of the border, resulting in money being paid out to Holyrood.

To the anger of the SNP, the arrangement was ceased in 2005 in exchange for a one-off £57m payment. The SNP estimates the resulting loss has been running at £100m per year.

Salmond envisages that the cash will build on the package announced in August during the Donald Dewar lecture, when plans to bring £100m of affordable housing investment and £180m from European structural funds into the Scottish economy were announced.

Last night Andy Kerr, the Labour shadow finance secretary, said the package was a reheated and recycled set of discredited demands.

Kerr said: "You have to ask what is the point of the SNP? All they do is constantly refer to others when they want something done and it is usually the UK Government. It is dishonest to claim for funds that are not available.

"Meanwhile Labour has spelt out clearly once again to Alex Salmond what he can do. He should abandon his proposals for the Scottish Futures Trust and get on with capital programmes and infrastructure development. The Parliament's Economic committee was told last week by representatives from the construction industry that delays in SFT were creating a black hole in Scotland's infrastructure programme.

"Labour has given Alex Salmond specific examples of what he could start with such as trunk road maintenance, Scottish Water improvements, Bishopbriggs prison and investment in skills and training. It is entirely in the SNP's hands. What Scotland needs now is a government that can act instead of reheating old, unfounded grievances."


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1

The Answer,

Glasgow 11/10/2008 21:11:56
Didnt the English tax payers bail out RBS and HBOS at a cost of 25 billion English pounds!

What a cheek "the fat one" has.
2

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 11/10/2008 22:01:24
Hold on The Answer, the whole 25 billion is not just english money, it is english, scottish, irish and welsh money. It is UK money, and about £2 -2.5 billion is scottish taxpayer money, you should know that. Besides, that is not the issue, the real answer is to give Scotland full financial freedom, all taxes raised in Scotland to be spent in Scotland, then the SNP will not ask, or blame, westminster for anything.
3

Vivas,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 22:01:55
It's Toom Tabbard who borg-like repeats the "whatever it takes" mantra.

So go for it Alex, and ask for "whatever you can " and do "whatever it takes" !
4

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 12/10/2008 00:15:59
"ALEX Salmond is demanding an extra £1bn from Westminster in an attempt to protect the Scottish economy from the worst excesses of the global financial crisis. As the Scottish economy is swept up by worldwide financial turbulence, the First Minister has identified money held in the UK Treasury that he believes should be handed over to Scotland to boost the economy."

What a wicked, unprincipled man! Asking for money he thinks the people of Scotland are entitled to! Iain, Annabel, Tavish - you must speak out against this outrageous demand. And where is our bright and smooth new Secretary of State for Scotland?

Now's your chance to show your mettle, Jim. Make sure Scotland doesn't get this money that they are entitled to it might help to protect them against the recession. Horror of horrors - some of it might go to help Glenrothes.

Show them what a UK Secretary of State is really for, Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUZYyxKE0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey-5ymkm784
5

subrosa,

12/10/2008 00:58:10
Andy Kerr: It is dishonest to claim for funds that are not available.

What a ridiculous comment. Surely he meant 'It is dishonest to withhold funds which should have been made available'.

6

Edward,

12/10/2008 01:24:25
Story now beginning to emerge in the Mail on Sunday, is something I’ve being saying all along about the handling by the government and subsequent share slump in the Scottish Banks, especially the Royal Bank of Scotland. Was the briefings given to BBC’s Robert Peston and how he seem to be able to come out with a running commentary.
From the Mail on Sunday ‘The BBC’s business editor Robert Peston has broken a string of exclusives on the financial crisis which have led MPs to demand an official investigation into the source of his information. A massive row broke out after Peston reported on Tuesday morning that bank chiefs were seeking capital from the Government at confidential talks with Chancellor Alistair Darling and Bank of England Governor Mervyn King. Two banks – Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays – issued denials, but it was too late to prevent the value of bank shares plummeting. Shares in RBS fell by a staggering 39 per cent, wiping £10billion off its value’
Turns out that ‘The BBC journalist has excellent contacts in the Square Mile and in Government, including leading City PR man Roland Rudd, who represents Lloyds TSB, and Schools Secretary Ed Balls, one of Gordon Brown’s closest confidants. Peston met both men while working at the Financial Times in the early Nineties’
‘One writer on the Financial Times’s Alphaville blog later claimed of Peston’s Tuesday morning report: ‘Working from an old script (ie the practice followed by their boss John Kingman) junior treasury officials briefed Peston . . . While Kingman’s people might have hoped their briefings would smack of strong government, what took a real beating was Royal Bank of Scotland.’
It also transpires that there were some curious dealings with Northern Rock as its revealed in the same article ‘Mr Kingman, 39, has also been involved in two other aspects of the credit-crunch crisis – the nationalisation of Northern Rock and the Lloyds TSB takeover of HBOS – which were the subject of Peston scoops.
7

Stefan Mack,

Elgin 12/10/2008 04:04:10
The wee small minded unionists are at it again....scotland's too wee and insignificant to stand up and demand a fair share of uk coffers, even in a crisis. we should take what we're offered and shut up.

no wonder this pathetic bunch are out of power in scotland. why on earth would people want the scottish labour party representing their interests?

scottish labour = bend over and take whatever's offered.
8

roughrider,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 05:18:43
Thick as dog dirt the waste of space clueless Kerr said: "You have to ask what is the point of the SNP? All they do is constantly refer to others when they want something done and it is usually the UK Government. It is dishonest to claim for funds that are not available.
Andy Kerr is a joke a thick ponce who milks the public purse for everything he can get.
Thicko KERR tried and failed to get the taxpayer to pay for repairs to his garden wall,the tax payer has paid for everything this ponce owns.
Aint that right Kerr.
9

donald,

glasgow 12/10/2008 05:19:58
Ben Dover Hoose wherefore art thou?
10

corrigenda,

Harpenden 12/10/2008 06:46:29
Wouldn't you have thought that after the need to rescue HBOS and RBS, after the collapse of Iceland's economy (where their GDP per head had been nearly two and a half times that of Scotland) and now with Salmond bringing out the begging bowl yet again, that those who harbour dreams of Scottish Independence will finally begin to see the light? Let the message go out that the thinking Scot on the other hand is thankful for the capability of the Union to help all in the UK at this difficult time.
11

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 12/10/2008 06:59:28
I fear that £1bn will be abused/wasted. SNP will use it to support SNP-favouring, and 'prestige' projects; and useless short term tax cuts, rather than solid long term investment into sustainable real jobs such as submarine electro turbine technology.
12

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steve 1511,

aberdeen 12/10/2008 07:27:23
were doomed with broon doomed i tell you,get intae them alex get as much as possible for scotland,as for fat andy kerr a man who thinks mcdonalds burgers are healthy eating,dishonesty is taking a freebee to wembly from a burger company and only declaring it when caught out red handed
15

roughrider,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 07:33:05
Kerrthicko knows all about dishonesty.
It,s labour policy to tell lies.
16

Rob,

12/10/2008 07:37:37
It's embarrasing really. Salmond's usual reaction - let's get someone else to pay because it's "no fair" and "hasn't been for years."

You call this governance? Westminster will tell him get lost - quite correctly.
17

Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 12/10/2008 07:44:29
Alex Salmond? Who he? Is this the "First Minister" who has been missing for days? Scotland deserves better than this oaf.
18

roughrider,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 07:49:46
Looks as if the labour trolls have been given their orders to post the usual tripe.
Pathetic little unionist @rse lickers.
19

John S,

12/10/2008 08:01:21
Andy Kerr, the Labour shadow finance secretary, I thought he was the leader of Labour in the Scottish Parliament, so who is the present leader of Labour in the Scottish Parliament ?
20

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 08:01:59
When is Salmond going to stop embarrassing the Scottish people?

Does he have no sense of embarrassment himself?

The man is a disgrace. Out with the begging bowl at every opportunity.

Maybe if this toe curling embarrassment of a First Minister never wasted money on,

name/signage changes for the Scottish executive,

Islamfests,

200 yard taxi trips

jollys to the Ryder Cup

then he could maybe put the begging bowl back in its cupboard.
21

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 12/10/2008 08:08:28
I wonder which Muslem Group Alex Will be giving this Billion UK Pounds To
22

roughrider,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 08:16:16
Ruffes t dung dweller you and your ilk are an embarassment to the Scottish people.
23

Keir Hardie,

Inverness 12/10/2008 08:33:44
#18 don't make the mistake of thinking people of all opinions work the same as the potty-mouthed puerile nat trolls that post playground jibes and bullying on every subject with ruthless efficiency. Why argue the issues when you can all agree to call opposition politician X a smelly bum or something over the years?
24

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 08:46:06
#22 Roughrider

Great post. Keep up the good work. Your mother will be very proud of you.

25

Gtj,

12/10/2008 08:59:49
The onlything that is embarrassing here is the level of bitterness and small mindedness of some of the posts here.
26

TWC,

Ayrshire 12/10/2008 09:01:01
Before the next GE Scotland will be offered some Fiscal powers(but only as little as the treasury think they can get away with).
If this is not Full Fiscal Independence then there will be a landslide to SNP.
The lack of regulation and lack of control on credit has nearly ruined the country. Brown needs to go; he's desperate for the rcovery so he can claim the glory but he was part of the cause.
We need to look after our own money. Like him or loath him Salmond has been calling it right before Westminster (along with Mr Cable)
27

porker!,

Stirling 12/10/2008 09:07:05
#23 Oh the purity of the unionist comments!
28

albanman,

12/10/2008 09:10:40
#21 daveserviceman: If you're going to spout nonsense, at least learn how to spell. The word is Muslim, you cretin.
29

Rodster,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 09:12:57
Financial meltdown , massive job losses , house repossessions , bankruptcies,higher taxes , fuel poverty , hungry pensioners , more kids below the poverty line .
all great news if you are a Labour Supporter in Scotland , because the upside is you can trash the Nationalists and talk up the union .
The human misery who cares ?
a glimmer in hope of saving the union is worth it , you can really go to town now on the old platitudes of too weak , too poor , too stupid oh the joys .
we can keep the jobs for the boys we can keep up the dependency culture
Today is a great time to be a Unionist!!!!
30

porker!,

12/10/2008 09:13:03
#1 Stupid comment from an ignorant arrogant colonialist English colonialist.
I am sure that you are no hypocrit and will move to England after independence.
31

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:21:51
Does anybody trully believe the Barnett formula covers our nation in these circumstances???????????
Was the Barnett formula derived with global meltdown taken into consideration?????
If not then obviously more cash is needed it isnt rocket science and you dont have to be an economist to work it out. In fact all Scotland really needs to do is stop sending any cash down South and stop receiving cash from Westminster.
Let Scotland operate on its own resourses and let Westminster cope on theirs.
Now how can any unionist worth his salt disagree with that proposal??
32

Andra, Dundee,

12/10/2008 09:22:28
I'm pretty sick of Salmond the whinger now.
We could really do with a break from his pathetic stirring. There is so much in Scotland that he is neglecting - why has he stopped building schools?
33

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:25:08
5

Strange how funds became available to invade Iraq and Afganistan.
They could scrap the trident project and use the money as a cushion in these turbulant times.
34

Andra, Dundee,

12/10/2008 09:26:15
#2 Thomas79
We know that some of the £25bn in Scottish money - but where would this money have come from in your Scottish Utopia?
I think we'd be in a Iceland like crisis and our two banks would have either gone bust our been bought for English pennies. The Brown/Darling plan is a good one for Scottish jobs and will hopefully keep one of not two world class banks HQed in Scotland.
This Union dividend works both ways but it's certainly working in Scotland's favour on this matter.
35

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:27:07
33

Alex Salmond isnt a builder nor archetect he is the First Minister of Scotland and it isnt in his remit to actually build schools he only provides the funding to allow others to do so.
As you are so obviously an imbecile you can be forgiven for not actually knowing that.
36

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:28:24
35

No we would be in the same crises situation as Norway.
How are they coping by the way?
37

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:30:12
35

"This Union dividend works both ways but it's certainly working in Scotland's favour on this matter."

Care to go into detail and explain just exactly what this union benefit is for Scotland? and do you think this union benefit would do Norway any good as well?
38

Me, myself and I,

Livingston 12/10/2008 09:33:09
The world is going down the toilet and Salmonds answer is, as usual, "Westminster it's your fault gie'us more money to create Brigadoon".

It's like a wee boy trying to pick a fight in a death camp. Futile and pathetic.

New Labour is done for whatever but I certainly wont vote for this charlatan.
39

Rodster,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 09:34:07
I'm pretty sick of Salmond the whinger now.
We could really do with a break from his pathetic stirring. There is so much in Scotland that he is neglecting - why has he stopped building schools?

not that you are having a whinge at Alex eh Andra .
one thing I love about you Unionists is your double standards.
and perhaps the answer to your question is financial prudence .
All the schools ,hospitals bridges etc etc built on PFI schemes are now coming home to roost .
It is time to pay the "credit card" and we have no money left Brown and Blair spent the lot on illegal wars , Millenium Domes ,Wembley , Jubilee Line ,bailing out London Spivs etc etc etc .
But feel free blame The SNP and Alex Salmond for all the troubles.


40

eric,

lothian 12/10/2008 09:35:41
Edinburgh is being turned into Blackpool of the north,
41

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:37:57
39

Charlatan? and you with so many logon accounts to a newspaper blog eh? New Liebour trolls are us have just accused the First Minister of being a charlatan.
You could cut the irony with a knife.
42

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:42:34
By scapping the Trident project the UK treasury would save 76bn of which 6 billion would be Scotlands proportional share so Alex is actually being very very reasonable with his request of only 1bn when we are actually entitled to so much more.
43

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:43:27
43

And England will end up like Zimbabwe without the charm and popularity.
44

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 09:48:07
#40 Rodster, nobody is blaming Salmond for the worlds financial woes.

We are just blaming him for being a whinging idiot.
45

Me, myself and I,

Livingston 12/10/2008 09:49:56
#42

1) One email and log in.

2)I just said I wont support or vote Labour (never have, indeed I voted SNP mistakenly).

3)Bitter? Twisted? Because Saint Alex has appeared a mug through this whole period that even the Grey man has bested him as FMQs.

4)Didn't daddy hug you enough that you need an unquestioning father figure?

Open your mind.
46

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:50:41
46

So with your obvious talent and expertise as a whinging idiot how would you rate the FM relative to yourself then?
47

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:52:15
46

I mean do you think he has the stuff to become a Liebour cybertroll after his 6 months training of course?
48

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:53:28
48

Phuq off ya lying troll. No matter what logon you use the slime trail is the same.
49

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 09:53:53
Looks like Parcel has woken up.

Insults, drivel and multiple monikers making the same puerile points about to appear.
50

Linda,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 09:55:32
Scotland has much more incommon with Norway than Iceland.

UK Treasury is massively in debt and has previously borrowed from IMF. This obviously proves UK is too small to be independent and should form a new country called Europe. How many British Nationalists would enjoy that scenario?
51

Ewan M,

12/10/2008 09:57:26
What a disgrace. At a time we need governance Salmond does what he always does and accepts no responsibility and tries to focus attention on Westmisster for his OWN gain.

Not a man to put Scotland first pursuing something that is completely unrealistic and detracting attention ffom his own inaction and complete insignificance. The SNP and Alex salmond are a complete joke party.
52

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:58:33
52

The rest of us are still waiting for you to wake up.
What kind of a w*nker trolls for such a despicible shower of sh*te such a New Liebour?
53

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 09:59:15
Oh it has already started.

I did not expect to be so right so quickly.

Sit back and watch the idiot in action.
54

Ewan M,

12/10/2008 09:59:41
suchaparcelofrogues doing his work to promote Nationalist bigotry again, your a credit to the SNP, but an embaressment to Scotland.
55

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 09:59:55
55

Ah you think he wants to keep the 1bn for himself in a Swiss bank account? or maybe even a safer Norwegian one eh?
56

TWC,

Ayrshire 12/10/2008 10:01:03
Me Myself and I you are talking rubbish, even us non Nats know that the Treasury holds the purse for Scotland. We received a less than just settlement from New Labour /Brown and now all parts of the UK need more than was originally calculated.
For England it will just appear but because of our settlement it needs to be formally handled.
If you can't put a X in the right place then keep well away from Economics.
Financial Independence is what we need.
57

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:01:55
58

And what would a London Liebour cybertroll know about Scotland? apart from it being somewhere North of Watford?
58

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 10:04:55
#53 sounds great, where do I sign up?
59

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:05:29
63

Liebour cybertrollings finest moment. I may print that post in anticipation of its future value to literacy.
60

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 10:06:51
#63 You had a typo.

Surely you meant rectum.
61

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:08:04
66

First ladyboys now rectums? the pattern emerges and so does the link to the Duncan account.
62

Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:08:07
North of Watford? More north of Stirling.

suchaparcelofrogues you should be so proud of your bigoted rants, if there an example of the type of people who support the SNP, then I will stay well clear.
63

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:10:26
68

Aye right I bet you think Stirling is a currency.
64

Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:11:16

Heriot Watt university student association come on to have anything to do with person is ridiculous.
65

Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:13:46
No thats Sterling. Looking at the Wallaces Monument just now emabrressed that there are people like you in Scotland.
66

The_Reiver,

12/10/2008 10:15:50
Typical of the 'greed and grievance' policies of the SNP. Is Salmond now admitting that Scotland needs subsidies from the UK tax payer to survive? What about the poor in other parts of the UK? Why should Scotland have preferential treatment at their expense? This man becomes more incredible daily as he tries to delude the people of Scotland with his tissue of lies. Salmond's real aim in life is simple; to continue to nurture and inflate his own ego.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 10:19:04
The SNP must remind folk at every opportunity that it was lax financial reulation by Brown and Darling that caused the Banking Crisis in the first place.

UK is broke and heavily in debt.
69

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:20:18
75

Scotland will always need subsidies from the UK as long as it remains within the union and has to hand over every penny it generates as a nation to the Westminster treasury and tries to survive on the fraction of that it receives back from the Barnett formula.
70

Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:20:59
75. Typical of the irrational and supine Scottish unionist position. The SNP want Scotland to be independent, but unionists talk of "subsidies from Westminster" when it is only unionists who want Scotland funded by Westminster.

Now Unionists object that the first minister is standing up for Scottsih interests. They still wonder why the SNP is leading in the polls, when the alternative is craven and pathetic supine unionist logic that would not defend any Scottish interest and just leave it all up to Westminster
71

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:21:57
77

Not forgetting the personal debt of over 2.1 trillion pounds with no small thanks to the "prudent chancellor" now PM.
72

Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:23:30
77. Indeed -it was Brown who created a new financial regulator in his first month in office, and who created and presided over the lax regulation which has caused alot of this situation.

As usual, like with Iraq, Afghanistan, losing half the countries data, putting up tax on the poorest, sleaze and illegal donations New Labour do not take an iota of responsibility and just spin like tops.
73

Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:24:20
And the SNP would have done any differently, when they are trying to grow the financial sector in Scotland? I sincerely doubt they would as these companies would not have come to Scotland if the regulations were stricter.
74

TWC,

Ayrshire 12/10/2008 10:24:39
#77 Linda,
It's not just the SNP who have been let down by the poor Governance of Brown & Darling the charlie.
Not all socialists are New Labour. We also believe in Fiscal Autonomy fo Scotland. That was what Devoloutoon was supposed to lead to.
75

Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:24:46
80. and not forgeting the gold fire sale, and catastrophic PPI schemes, courtersy of new Labour / prudence Brown
76

TWC,

Ayrshire 12/10/2008 10:25:34
OOPS Devolution I mean
77

Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:25:45
82. These companies, like Northern Rock, are going bust becuase of the New Labour lax regulations....
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:26:20
Kyle N Carrick if you want complete financial independecne you would reduce the Scottish budget.
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The_Reiver,

12/10/2008 10:28:02
#58 Ewen

Well said:

There are certain classes of people we should not tolerate:
1. Bigots
2. Racists
3. Fascists
4. Sexists
5. Homophobes
6. Anti-Semites

Persons displaying all these characteristics are to be found in the ranks of cybernats who regularly post on this site.

If we're not careful in a few years time we will witness the likes of suchaparcelofrogues and Christopher Harvie wearing their jack-boots and tartan shirts marching arm-in-arm down the high-street in Edinburgh waving their SNP flags and singing flower of Scotland and smashing any shop windows that bear an English name.

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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:28:33
86 like I say would the SNP have done differently?....Absolutely not or these companies would not come to Scotland. Even Salmond has not been suggesting this and trying to bloat his ego even more.
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:31:41
Heriot Watt university student association looks at suchaparcelofrogues comments to answer your questions. I doubt even the SNP would want anything to do with it.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 10:32:34
Mainly for you Ewan M I copied my earlier post .
but it is equally relevant for all other unionist apologists on here ..

Financial meltdown , massive job losses , house repossessions , bankruptcies,higher taxes , fuel poverty , hungry pensioners , more kids below the poverty line .
all great news if you are a Labour Supporter in Scotland , because the upside is you can trash the Nationalists and talk up the union .
The human misery who cares ?
a glimmer in hope of saving the union is worth it , you can really go to town now on the old platitudes of too weak , too poor , too stupid oh the joys .
we can keep the jobs for the boys we can keep up the dependency culture
Today is a great time to be a Unionist!
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:32:35
I agree with you the gold sale was a shocker.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 10:32:59
Scrap Holyrood, sack all the MSPs and move all our budgets to London.

The cost savings will be huge.

The Scottish Executive is a waste of tax payers money.
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:36:31
Rodster you are a misguided person. Do you think Scotland would fair better in a GLOBAL financial crisis being independent. I suppose Iceland is doing pretty well for itself!!Scotland would have went bankrupt trying to support HBOS and RBS on its own and if you don't accept that you will never be convinced. As of tomorrow the UK owns 70% of HBOS and 50% of RBS. Deal with it.
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:38:50

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say your banter aint that great.
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12/10/2008 10:38:55
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Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:38:57
90. Yes the SNP would have done differently - they would not have particpated in an illegal war of agression in the middle east then denied any responsibility for escalating oil prices, they would not be spending £96 billion on new nuclear WMD while the UK is is in massive debt and the SNP would and are standing up for Scottish interests, as this article makes clear..
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Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 10:39:47
#89 Reiver, that is the post of the day so far.

Parcel/jackie priest/spanners (all one person) is all of these things in your list.
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:40:23
I suppose Alex salmond never compares Scotland to other small countries ever! I will pass you over to the desperate section I like the factual section I am sitting in!
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:41:55
New Liebours record in Government to date:

War in Iraq
War in Afganistan
76bn to spend on Trident
Increaced terror threat to nation
Local taxation increaced by 89%
Income taxation 10% level dropped
Cash for honours
Illegal party donations
Expenses scams galore
Personal data stolen on an unprecedent scale
ID card legislation
42 days detention legislation
Financial meltdown
Cost of living soaring
Standards of living plummeting
Local services continuously cut
Pensions raided
savings wiped out
Personal debt at record levels
National debt at record levels
Dodgy arms deals with Saudi Arabia
Broken covenant with our armed forces
Abolished the Army regiments

More than enough above to have anybody charged with treason. And here we are on a blog which wants to discuss why the FM of Scotland has to ask these criminals in Westminster for some of the money back taken from Scotland in taxation and revenue in order to get through a situation created with the help of their corruption and incompetance.
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Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:42:13
100 "your banter aint that great" - my, my what a socratic and magisterial rejoinder, bet you are a riot at supine-Westminster-knows-best, Labour-may-be rubbish-but-so-is-everyone-else unionist jamboree outings
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tommytommy,

12/10/2008 10:42:39
A lot of economies are on the brink.

Nobody seems to be escaping the fact that markets are shrinking.It looks like deflation has set in everywhere.

Iceland is bankrupt.Norway is seeking U.S support to keep its economy functioning.Scotland would be bankrupt too were it not for the B.O.E.
The Baltic states are in freefall.

Can nationalists explain why they are seeking a Nationalist Government when by all accounts it doesn't seem to matter who is at the helm in this recession?
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 12/10/2008 10:43:36
96

I doubt you will ever witness anything in Edinburgh in fact I doubt you could even point to it on a map.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 10:43:57
we have not witnessed so many Unionist Uncle Toms on line since the Glasgow East by election.
Kind of sums up Unionism when things are bad come on a spread doom and gloom , revel in real people's fear and misery .
Talk down your country and enjoy being a lackey for all that is Westminster .
UK the second largest debtor in the entire world .
Great huh? Norway the 7th richest with no world debt and over $64 trillion of cash available
UK no 186 out of 188 with over $119 trillions of borrowed money and debt and this does not include credit card debt only government debt.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html
but you can invent a so called £11 billion supposed "black hole " in Scots economy and say how that makes it impossible for Independence .
Much better to have £119 trillin of debt in UK another Union dividend!!!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 10:44:03
#102

Ah, its 'illegal' war time again.

Next post will no doubt mention the 'historic' concordat or the 'unfair' council tax.

I must sign up for the SNP jargon course.
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Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:44:04
103. The islamophobic, racist Rufus T (English voice, Stirling Sentinel etc) speaks....
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Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:45:49
112. try - "illegal donations" and "lying, sleazey formula one cancer advertising back-handers" and "Mandelson lying, sleazey loans and backhanders for passports" while you are at it
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Ewan M,

12/10/2008 10:46:04
Kyle N Carrick your a pcifist that will never get in the REAL world.
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Rodster,

Gl;asgow 12/10/2008 10:46:21
so tell me Ewan who is the deluded person you or me?

186 out of 188 of the most indebted governments in the world ???
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Kyle N Carrick,

12/10/2008 10:46:53
107. Great post - a concise summary of the "Union dividends" supine unionists who want Westminster to nanny them pine for
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