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Salmond goes solemn and cuts costs as Scottish Week drops tartan tag



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Published Date: 15 March 2008
THE Scottish Government has halved its budget for Scotland Week, saying there was too much emphasis on partying in previous years.
Alex Salmond, the First Minister, yesterday revealed changes to the April event, previously Tartan Week, which is designed to sell Scotland to the US.

In a major break with the past, the SNP administration said the event would change from a cult
ural showcase centred on New York, with tartan fashion shows in a party atmosphere, to the serious business of selling Scotland as a "dynamic business market".

Unveiling the programme during a speech to the Scottish Council of Development and Industry's 37th international forum in St Andrews yesterday, Mr Salmond said: "There was a slight over-emphasis on the party element and maybe a slight under-emphasis on other aspects of things.

"I felt perhaps we had to be a wee bit more hard-headed in some of the things we were doing."

The budget for the event will be cut this year from £700,000 to £400,000. Neither the Scottish Village in New York's Central Station – a centrepiece of the celebrations – nor the high profile Dressed to Kilt fashion show will go ahead next month.

Instead Mr Salmond will lead ministers on a whistle-stop week of activities which will take him to Boston, Washington and New York, with ministers visiting seven US and Canadian cities.

At Harvard University, he will speak to its Centre for European Studies on "Creating the Celtic Lion Economy".

At the headquarters of the prestigious National Geographic Society in Washington, he will talk on "Renewable Energy; Innovations That Can Save Our Planet". He will champion Scotland's lead in wave and wind energy.

For years, Tartan Week has been attacked as a costly event that offered an old-fashioned version of Scotland laden with "tartan and shortbread". It was widely covered in the Scottish press but critics said it was virtually ignored in North America.

The new approach may have been partly driven by circumstances. New York's Grand Central Station was not available this year. Dressed To Kilt has been moved to October as part of New York Fashion Week.

But Mr Salmond said his appearances would make more of a splash, with television time on Fox Business News or the National Geographic Channel.

Tartan Day, recognised by an act of Congress as 6 April, remains part of Scotland Week and Mr Salmond insisted he was not rejecting tartan, despite the change of name.

He said: "Americans do like tartan, but they don't connect it in their minds with Scotland."

Martin Hunt, managing director of the Tartan Silk PR agency, praised the new approach. "I am very supportive of making our links with America much more businesslike. I don't think catwalk glamour and parties are a good representation of what Scotland is about."

But Pete Irvine, the organiser of Edinburgh's Hogmanay sounded a note of caution. "I think it was time to rethink Tartan Week.

I understand this year there will not be so much of a cultural offering – but I hope very much that is not the case in the years to come."

Now – sales talk

• BUDGET: £400,000

• SERIOUS STUFF: Alex Salmond is in Boston, Virginia, Washington DC and New York. Enterprise and tourism minister Jim Mather meets Microsoft vice-president in Seattle. Tartan Day Parade up Sixth Avenue. Scottish Youth Theatre's When a Star Falls in New York.

• TARTAN CELEBRITIES: Greenock-born New York Giants kicker Lawrence Tynes leads parade.

• MEMORABLE MOMENT (Maybe): Salmond speaks on renewable energy.

• AMERICAN COVERAGE: (Probably) Aw, shucks, there's thousands of bagpipers in New York.

Then – fun and fashion

• BUDGET: £700,000

&149 SERIOUS STUFF: Traditional Scotland on show at Scottish Village, Grand Central Station; Dressed to Kilt catwalk presents a modern, sexy Scotland to Americans. Tartan Day Parade up Sixth Avenue.

• TARTAN CELEBRITIES: Actors Billy Boyd, Allison Mackenzie, singer Sandi Thom, violinist Nicola Benedetti, Ivana Trump.

• MEMORABLE MOMENT: Jack McConnell's pinstripe kilt and open-necked shirt.

• AMERICAN COVERAGE: Aw, shucks, there's thousands of bagpipers in New York.







The full article contains 694 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 March 2008 10:35 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Highland Mighty,

15/03/2008 00:20:58
"But Mr Salmond said his appearances would make more of a splash, with television time on Fox Business News or the National Geographic Channel."

Nice ego, Eck.
2

Col.Chi Man,

Central Scotland 15/03/2008 00:22:18
Good move. Can he do something with his party at home? Remove the Tartan Tories, and redefine as a pragmatic, centrist republican party.
3

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 15/03/2008 00:29:57
How dare Alex re-tune Tartan/Scottish Week eh Highland Lightly?

How ridiculous for him to drop the kitsch

How ridiculous for him to drop the parties

How ridiculous for him to spread awareness of Scottish business

How ridiculous for him to turn the week into an opportunity to get inward investment

And how ridiculous for him to cut 300 000 from the budget.

4

Thorson ,

Peterborough , Canada 15/03/2008 00:55:35
Salmond cuts Tartan Splash
Re: "I felt perhaps we had to be a wee bit more hard-headed in some of the things we were doing."

Weel done Cutty Salmond

In any case I suspect that Salmond is still wincing over the "splash" he made at last year's Tartan Week when he strolled down the catwalk in a kilt, all topped off by a Fedora - or was that a Stetson. Such images of Scotalnd's Firt Minister can't have done much to attract so-called inward investment.
5

Socrates2,

15/03/2008 01:06:53
sadly meaningless event in America
and one where Scotland should give up aping the Irish
might have better luck in Canada but its is still a parody of Ireland....
should carve our own path to independence
6

Rosie,

Edinburgh 15/03/2008 01:31:50
4. Thorson,
Where did you imagine these images of Alex Salmond in kilt and fedora on the catwalk?
Get your facts right..... Salmond was not a last year's Tartan Day..... furthermore Alex Salmond never wears the kilt.

7

W Smith,

Middle East 15/03/2008 02:21:06
So Salmond promotes Scottish products - while writing letters to the regimes of Iran and Zimbabwe?

Salmond and his mate Galloway should take tartan week to Tehran and then on to Syria and all the other regimes they sympathise with.

BTW
Without cutting the corporation tax to Ireland's levels this visit to the USA is a complete waste of time - unless you're main aim is to sell whisky and shortbread.

Companies like Microsoft and IBM have operations in Dubai where the corporation tax is zero and Dubai has a proper airport which has turned itself into an international hub with a projected 30 million passengers using it annually within 10 years.

By comparison, Tartan week is a friggin joke!
8

Highland Mighty,

15/03/2008 02:40:18
7. And again:

Last year, the UK attracted $1 TRILLION worth of investment. Far and away the highest level of foreign investment in Europe and 2nd only to the USA globally.

More is invested by multinationals in the UK than in China, Japan, France, Germany, Italy....

We are also the second in the world for investing overseas.

Today, the UK has the 2nd highest GDP per Capita in the G7. We were 7th in the 90s.

Today, the UK has the strongest economy in Europe. We were the 'sick man of Europe' in the 70s and early 80s.
9

No School fields,

Edinburgh 15/03/2008 03:10:33
#7.

Microsoft have just made a big investment in Edinburgh, taking office space in the old post office building.



10

Agnes from Kinross,

Kinross 15/03/2008 04:12:42

#7 oh oh WSmith I see everyone else thinks your posts are idiotic - try not to take it to heart. There are places and good medication for people like you and you petty minded nastiness.

As for Alex Salmond dropping of the Tartan tag - thank goodness we can now move away from NUmptie Labour and their stupid "best wee country" nonsense.
11

Beth Boyle,

NY 15/03/2008 06:32:52
He couldn't get the name change to stick so he took his toys and went hame. Tisk Tisk Mr. Salmond
12

Gdgy,

dundy 15/03/2008 07:20:50
Bad Press for the SNP

Cut budget, tartan and Scottish week in the same press release....
Just because Labour made this eevnt a success the SNP have to diss it - however wait to next year then it will have all been their idea.....
13

Media 1,

cape town 15/03/2008 07:31:40
Salmond hasnt got a clue, the man is a political novice out of his depth at every turn.
The man cant sell Scotland to the Scots and here he is trying to sell Scotland to the USA..lmfao
It will be interesting to hear the views of the American people, when they find out that Mr Salmond is a friend of Iran!
What a farce, can the SNP humiliate Scotland any further?
Sadly the answer to that is probably yes
14

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

15/03/2008 08:01:09
We could still get Jack in for a parade in that wee black number seeing he doesn't appear to be doing much these days.

Off to Malawi, there's people there that need to be made poorer

15

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

15/03/2008 08:02:52
Tak a dram in a skirt wi the poor, ill and fat folk o Europe.

We could maybe become cousins in obesity with the US
16

Alan Reid,

nz 15/03/2008 08:03:43
13 Media 1,cape town. Buffoon!
7 W Smith,Middle East. Words escape me, but the name pr!ck comes to mind.
17

Alan Reid,

NZ 15/03/2008 08:06:26
13 Media 1,

Alex Salmond his CV!

Leader of the Scottish National Party \ First Minister of Scotland
Alex Salmond was born in Linlithgow in 1954. He attended Linlithgow Academy before studying at St Andrew's University, where he graduated with a joint honours MA in Economics and History.

In 1978 he joined the Government Economic Service as an Assistant Economist in the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland. In 1980 he joined the Royal Bank of Scotland where he worked for seven years: first as an Assistant Economist before being appointed Oil Economist in 1982, and from 1984 combining that role with duties as a bank economist. He has also been a visiting professor of economics at Strathclyde University.

He was first elected as MP for Banff & Buchan in 1987 and was elected as National Convener for the Scottish National Party in 1990. He served as leader of the opposition in the Scottish Parliament when he was elected MSP for Banff & Buchan constituency in 1999. He stood down as SNP National Convener in 2000 and left the Scottish Parliament in 2001.

He was re-elected as Leader of the SNP in 2004 and elected as MSP for the Gordon constituency in May 2007.

He made political history after becoming the first nationalist to be elected First Minister of Scotland on 16 May 2007.

He and his wife Moira married in 1981 and live in Strichen in Aberdeenshire.

When not working he enjoys horse racing, football - supporting Scotland and Heart of Midlothian FC - golf and reading.

18

donald,

glasgow 15/03/2008 08:08:29
Lift the Proscription. Stop wearing pin stipe skirts and big blouses.
19

Alan Reid,

NZ 15/03/2008 08:09:52
13 Media 1,
Blair was a f@cking lawyer, so after reading Mr Salmond CV do you still think "Salmond hasnt got a clue, the man is a political novice out of his depth at every turn"
Grow up man, because sure as hell Scotland is.

20

qohldr,

15/03/2008 08:19:22
The company has arranged for the guy's to come here as Tartan week is not going ahead as normal this year which is a shame as some of the guy's have said they will not be able to make it.
They have made arrangements to hold celebrations locally but have agreed that in future we should meet up as we used to in NY.

That is an exert from a letter I receiced from an American friend of mine, he is part of a civil war reinactment company.
Tartan week brought a lot of Americans and Canadians from all over with Scottish ancestry together.
It's purpose was not just to promote but also to celebrate Scotland.



21

Aýrshire Scot™,

15/03/2008 08:33:09
The whole thing should be canned. It is nothing but a toe curling, cringing embarrassment to Scotland.

Dressed to kilt. . .Oh Dear. Whoever thought that up should be shot at dawn.

I would love to know what the tangible benefits (if any) have been to Scotland as a result of these events.
22

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 15/03/2008 08:37:15
#13 Media1

"It will be interesting to hear the views of the American people, when they find out that Mr Salmond is a friend of Iran!"


I wonder how they, the American people reacted when President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited, their own soil, notably New York in September 2006 and ripped the sh1t out of Bush when he addressed the UN general assembly? Did they riot in the streets, invade Iran, insult Islam or just go about their usual business?

#4 I look forward to Thorson producing such memorable photographic records of FM Salmond donning kilt and Stetson. Or perhaps they don't exist and he was merely indulging in a little fantasy and forgot he was typing at the same time. Fascinating insight to an ever so complicated mind. Come on Thorson show us the photo.
23

Joe,

Capelaw Court 15/03/2008 08:39:08
#6.."Alex Salmond never wears the kilt"
Some Scotsman..
24

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 15/03/2008 08:54:12
#1 HM - another inane comment from this poster. Anything to say about the article? No? Didn't think so!
25

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 15/03/2008 08:59:51
#8 HM

There you go posting nonsense again. "GDP per capita" is a meaningless statement. GDP is the gross domestic of the country and cannot be expressed as "per capita". I corrected you on this earlier this week so why are you setting yourself up again? Quoting erroneous stats makes you appear ill-informed, which you obviously are.
26

Media 1,

cape town 15/03/2008 09:00:23
Bring it on, the lot of you!

Unlike you, I see Scotland as a powerful player in the union set up, she is not some little nothing state that answers to England, that is myth and it's a myth that eats away at the minds of indoctrinated blinkered Scots who harbour resentment for England based on some 700 year old wars..grow up for goodness sake!
Scotland is a tremendously talented nation and a powerful one at that, and our place at the union table is a seat we command with respect.
Salmond could commit the biggest blunder tomorrow and you lot would find a way to excuse him, fanatacism is a dangerous thing, and the SNP crew have it in abundance.
Scotland is part of the union, that is the bottom line. It is Alex Salmond's job therefore, to ensure that he respects that position until such time as the people of Scotland have had their referendum.
I dont want to hear Salmond forcing independence on Scotland, because pushing for independence means that he as the leader is forcing his ideolgies on the many millions who dont want independence. Why cant he shout and shout and shout again for a referendum on independence! Why cant he keep the independence topic at bay until he has won us the chance to go to the polls in an independence referendum?
Once the people have had their vote he can then get on with running Scotland for the people, as opposed to trying to run it for himself and some of his fanatical crew.
I love Scotland, I love Scotland to the core and it is that love of Scotland that does not allow me to even think about England. Maybe one day when you all grow up you will love Scotland more than you dislike England!
Until then, why not sing your sad songs about sending them home to fight again, and I will get on with celebrating Scotland for what she is..A truly wonderful country with a seat at a powerful union table.
27

Incandescent,

15/03/2008 09:06:55
I cringed coming back through Prestwick a couple of weeks ago. Could Eck not lean on them to drop the deeply humiliating "Pure Dead Brilliant" theme? Or, at least authenticate it by adding "...by the way"?
28

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 15/03/2008 09:10:59
#35 Media 1 - You are so out of touch with reality. Scotland is no more than a nuisance to the establishment. Even the BBC cant be bothered to invest more than 3% of its budget in Scotland. If we had continued under the last Executive they would have allowed this type of decline to continue.

Scotland is potentially one of the richest countries in Europe, but on current performance has some of the worst social problems in the western world. This must change. You may profess your love for Scotland but your loyalty is very mis-guided.
29

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 15/03/2008 09:13:52
#35 Hahahahahahahaha Media1 did a bit of wee in his pants.

Bring it on. Hahahahahahahahahahaha ha!
30

Media 1,

cape town 15/03/2008 09:19:18
connaughtbhoy

You might say that all the nations in Europe are POTENTIALLY the wealthiest on the continent.

I am home in Scotland every year for a substantial amount of time, I know the score and I also know that away from the pub, most people are happy with a union Scotland! Independence is a good thing, nothing wrong with it, its just that Scotland are in an incredible position within the union, why give that up based on some misguided passion? Swallow your pride for goodness sake, Scotland is a powerful player in the union, which is why she is so affluent these days.

And Bob; I disgaree, Scotland has had 300 years to get out the union and she is still there, that alone tells me everyting about us Scots and what we want.
31

Media 1,

cape town 15/03/2008 09:22:15
And let us remember this!

No matter what Salmond says, no matter what the fanatical SNP crew like to think!

SCOTLAND IS part of the union! And that is all that matters.
32

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 15/03/2008 09:22:26
#35

Says Media None from Cape Town, thousands of miles away in South Africa.

Another nonentity spouting forth but saying nothing of note.
33

Gothic Rose,

15/03/2008 09:31:08
A Union can always be modified.
34

Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 15/03/2008 09:35:09
Media1 - Sorry - have to disagree that the union has been good for Scotland. The social and economic facts don't bear you out

GDP per capita (USd)
Scotland - $23,622 (2001 figure).
UK - $26,150
Iceland - $29,750 (13.7% above UK)
Norway - £36,600 (40% above UK)
Denmark - $30,940 (18.3% above UKl)
Ireland - $36,360 (39% above UK)

Economist Quality of Life Index 2005 (rankings all states)
Scotland - no figure. UK 6.917 ranked No 29
Iceland 7.911 ranked No 7
Norway 8.051 ranked No 3
Denmark 7.796 ranked No 9
Ireland 8.333 ranked No 1

same story for life expectancy. etc. see next post for Liebour tax rises

Media - I respect the passion with which you defend the union. But you're wrong. Facts are chiels that winna ding.
35

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 15/03/2008 09:54:22
I spent six weeks in Germany last year, it's amazing how my opinion is regarded as being more valid there than the local populations. Of course, the real fact of the matter is that I know more than them, because I'm like clever and sh1t.
36

Conan the Librarian™,

15/03/2008 09:54:25
27
It was Americans, strangely enough.
In 1982, New York State Governor Hugh Carey, and New York City Mayor Ed Koch declared July 1, 1982, as Tartan Day, a celebration of the 200th anniversary of the Repeal of the Act of Proscription of 12 August 1747, forbidding Scots to wear the Tartan, and allowing Americans to dress sensibly when playing golf.

37

Media 1,

cape town 15/03/2008 10:03:00
Freedom for Scotland

Encase you havent noticed, Scotland is free, been so for many centuries now!
You raised some good points and I cannot disagree with you in terms of your tax proposals. I wish you all the best in your endeavour to make a difference.

Clarry! Have I lost my way you ask. No, I dont think so. Scotland is either part of the union or she isnt. Are you telling me she isnt?
38

Edward,

15/03/2008 10:22:07
About time something was done about the so caled Tartan Week. It did absolutely nothing to attract inward investment into Scotland, despite the money spent on it. In fact it turned in to an annual all expenses trip for Labour msp's Mp's and councilors who put the trip down to expenses and so paid for by the taxpayer, but they only went to New York spend part of a day taking part and the rest of the trip sight seeing and shopping, I seem to recall that was reported of the previous Edinburgh Labour provost
39

kimba,

15/03/2008 10:55:53
It's tartan day on the 6th of april,not scottish week as the arrogant salmond proposes.
40

Edward,

15/03/2008 11:00:13
#51 Kimba
Get a life!
If you have nothing constructive to contribute, then dont bother
41

kimba,

15/03/2008 11:08:29
52. Does the truth hurt! oh didums, pity how salmonds lust for glory is taking all you fools with him, but not to worry salmond and his band of fanatics are in the minority.
42

Edward,

15/03/2008 11:14:29
#53 Kimba
What truth? All you trot out is bile!
This is all about Scotland haveing a better and more effective showcase for itself and not haveing a self serving junket for Labour has beens
But as you obviously have a problem reading let me repeatr waht was stated in the article 'Tartan day remains PART of Scotland Week'
but the emphasis of SCOTLAND WEEK is more to do with promoting Scotland and not providing an excuse for Labour councillors to have an all expenses junket
43

Gothic Rose,

15/03/2008 11:14:43
52#Edward.Tartan or Plaid is not a
Scottish Monopoly. Therefore, Kimba makes a positive point in stating the Date of Tartan Day.!
44

Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 15/03/2008 11:16:17
Intersting how the more sensible the policy from the SNP Government, the more abusive the shrieking becomes from the unionist fringe!!
45

Queen D,

Glasgow 15/03/2008 11:17:52
The Herald is saying that the play The Blackwatch is to be promoted as part of updating Scotlands image.
If you have'nt seen it try very hard to catch it.
Very powerful , very moving and really makes you think about Scotlands role in illegal wars, and about the sacrifice our soldiers make on behalf of the Westminster Government.
But I still love tartan!
46

kimba,

15/03/2008 11:25:55
54. YOU PROTESTETH TO MUCH, this is not about politics,so stop trying to sh-t stir.
47

 Ayrshire Scot™,

15/03/2008 11:34:28
41 "SCOTLAND IS part of the union! And that is all that matters. "

There we see the Unionist logic clearly. Economic development and social justice don't matter. Scotland's fishing industry doesn't matter. The squandering under-achievement of Unionist government doesn't matter. Scotland's appalling health record doesn't matter.

AS long as we are in a pointless Union.
48

Edward,

15/03/2008 11:39:01
#55 Gothic Rose
Tartan day remains unchanged, so why is that being mentioned?
49

Gothic Rose,

15/03/2008 11:43:51
Edward.
I don`t know.
50

Edward,

15/03/2008 11:44:29
#58 Kimba
If its not about Politics, why did you mention 'arrogant Salmond'?
You really are a complete idiot!

Its down to the Scottish Government to do whats best for Scotland and that includes using the tools that are available to them to promote Scotland and attract inward investment. This is something that the previous Labour and Libedem administration failed to do, becuase they spent more time on themselves and not working for Scotland
But thats something you woldnt really know about seeing as your not in Scotland
51

kimba,

15/03/2008 13:50:33
62. Salmond was mentioned because he seems to get involved even though it does not concern him,as for "not knowing" my nan lives in dundee so think I know all i need to.
52

SilverShred,

in the jam jar 15/03/2008 14:14:40
Kimba advises "my nan lives in dundee so think I know all i need to."

I think that tells us all we need to know about Kimba!
53

Long Black Veil,

New York 15/03/2008 14:16:23
It's a shame that the fascinating cultural program provided by the Scottish taxpayer for the past few years had to be dropped in order to make way for this "business development" trip. I mean, who are we kidding? After this thing with Trump and all the overt manifestations of dissatisfaction with the notion of foreign [real estate] developers, does anyone really think that Salmond coming to the U.S. to promote business is going to be effective, when he could stay home and do it over the web or on TV just as well? Morever, New York is right where you'd want to be to develop interest for tourism in Scotland, if the Scottish government could free itself from the outdated notion that it is only Americans with "Scottish roots" who make likely tourist prospects. These days the people in the U.S. who have the capital and interest to travel to a place the offers great historic monuments and really lousy weather are Jewish or East Asian. Sorry, but these days "Jenny McCarthy," the 300 lb. coal miner's wife in Kentucky, has six kids she can afford to clothe, and is too busy listening to Christian radio to take an interest in matters geneaological--if she even knew what the word meant. So with tourism one of Scotland's biggest exports (hint, hint), wouldn't it have been more sensible to keep the cultural programs in place but spread them over the mid-Atlantic states in the major metro areas? It was Tartan Week 2006 that lured me to Glasgow and Edinburgh last year. I noted with interest that the people who were buying books in the tourist shops at the Historic Scotland sites were from Korea or Japan. Europeans typically don't spend much on sentimental keepsakes when they travel and Scotland isn't particularly exotic for them as they have castles of their own. Interest in British/Scottish culture is evidenced by the steady demand for UK film and TV in the U.S., but it's concentrated in areas where you find people with an educational level higher than 9th grade.

'nuff said.
54

Paloma negra,

15/03/2008 14:40:10
Salmond is just another nationalist bigot with all the intelligence of frog-spawn
... let him go do his begging and pontificating.

Sang to the tune of
... Flower of Scotland:

"We're so pathetic ohh can't you see
... we're so submissive
... ohh set us free!!"


Salmond will go and beg borrow steal in New York to enhance his pathetic image as a so-called 'world-statesman'

UHH-OHH
Think again Salmond !!!

Sad little man that he is.
55

Western Gael,

15/03/2008 14:51:26
Well said, 66. Following so close on the heels of the Trump Affair and the related shouting match in the letters column of this esteemed broadsheet,it is clear why The Scotsman turned to an arts correspondence for this article. There's apparently nobody home who understands that the first order of any business is to show a profit. But for putting on a good show that appeals to romantic visions of national history and culture, none's the better!
56

Conan the Librarian™,

15/03/2008 15:10:01
67
Pathetic? Submissive?
Are we talking about your sex-life here?
57

English Visitor,

15/03/2008 15:51:46
#67 I am not a supporter of Scottish independence, but even I find it sad that some who oppose it cannot seem to express any positive case, and seem obsessed with Alex Salmond.

Personally I find him an impressive politician, as do alot of my friends and family at home in England, and he wouldn't have won the election if he wasn't.

All this abuse and quite frankly silly arguments do nothing at all that I can see for the case for a UK, probably the opposite.
58

John Blackley,

Florida 15/03/2008 15:52:40
Will Mr. Salmond be able to get a visa to come to the United States?

And: "Americans do like tartan, but they don't connect it in their minds with Scotland."

Iran, perhaps? The McZimbabwe tartan, maybe?
59

English Visitor,

15/03/2008 16:11:55
#71. Given the US president last week vetoed a bill to enable continued use of water-boarding and other tortures, and the USA policy of kidnapping people on EU country soil, I think perhaps it is Bush and the US politicians who may need to worry about visas to get into the EU. Or perhaps they may have to worry about arrest and deportation to the Hague during their next visit.
60

kimba,

15/03/2008 16:51:18
VIVA ITALIA!
61

kimba,

15/03/2008 16:53:36
65.And that tells us how ignorant you are!
62

 Ayrshire Scot™,

15/03/2008 17:10:55
74. I feel nothing at all could adequately tell us the extent of your ignorance.
63

Martyk,

15/03/2008 19:16:34
8 ; sources for your figures? Trillion in inward investment? Do you know what a trillion actually is? UK entire economic output last year $1.5 trillion . And re MIcrosoft investment in Edinburgh. Its got to be viewed in this context http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/1106/breaking32.htm
64

John Blackley,

Florida 15/03/2008 20:10:32
#72 English Visitor: Thank you for your response to my comment. Unfortunately, your response contained some factual errors which I'll be happy to correct.

President Bush did not "last week veto (ed) a bill to enable continued use of water-boarding and other tortures". President Bush vetoed a Bill that would have explicitly outlawed the used of waterboarding.

There is no "USA (sic) policy of kidnapping people on EU country soil". 'Policy' - at least in the United States - is a published statement of intent by the government of the day.

There is no need, as far as I'm aware, for "Bush and the US politicians (to acquire) visas to get into the EU." However, the United States does reserve the right to require visas - even for visiting politicians for whom the visa requirement might otherwise be waived.

Nor, I think, do they "have to worry about arrest and deportation to the Hague during their next visit" (Although why they'd need to be deported to the Hague if they were already on a visit to the EU quite evades me.)

Despite the rantings of your fellows here on this site, President Bush and current US Senators and Congressmen do not stand accused of any crime that would be in the jurisdiction of any court in The Hague.

While I look forward to any further response you may have, I look forward even more to the first one that contains actual fact - instead of the half-baked, wishful thinking drivel so common on this site.
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English Visitor,

15/03/2008 20:31:05
~81. i don't follow your response.

We agree, President Bush stopped a bill to outlaw water-boarding, which means that water-boarding has not been made illegal by USA agencies. Which means the USA will continue to use this, and other, torture methods, as it has been doing recently, It also means that the USA does not recant from such torture.

There may be no "US policy" of kidnap. Unfortunately the USA has engaged in kidnapping people from EU country soil, and other places - as happened in Italy. The fact it is a "policy" or not hardly vindicates the action.


You don't think USA officials need worry about arrest and trial at the Hague? Even the USA Supreme Court has ruled the actions of the USA government (Guantanamo torture) illegal. And if you saw those lovely images from Abu Grhaib surely you must agree there is a case for a war crimes, in breach of Geneva Conventions, prosecution. Do you think that the scenes at Abu Graib constitue a pontential breach of the Geneva Conventions?

You ask for factual, accurate comment, but started this exchange by saying you thought a prominent UK politician (not one whose politics I agree with, but whose democratic and oeaceful credentials no one questions who has no record of illegal actions) might have a problem getting a USA visa, while the USA have allowed Gerry Adams and Arafat on their soil. I look for accurate, non-half baked contribution from you. You could start with stopping distinguishing between veto of a bill to outlaw water-boarding and water-boarding still being legal in the USA.




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English Visitor,

15/03/2008 20:32:50
~81.PS , we note the USA has not signed up for an international war crimes tribunal. If your argument is they have not committed crimes in the jurisdiction of the Hague because the USA has not ratified the treaty, hadrly a defence of Abu Graib, Gauntanamo and kidnapping people.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 15/03/2008 20:58:05
Tartan week with or without Salmond will continue I think. There is a Scottish Renaissance going on here as more and more Americans are waking up to the fact they have roots in Caledonia. This can only be a good thing for Scotland. Salmond is his own worst enemy and he is not going to last. The Nationalist Movement will eventually find a better spokesman and leader. Salmond is such a rank amateur and ignorant as a pigs bladder. The fact Salmond courted Donald Trump and a progressive move for Scotland shows what a huge fool he is.
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Fanling,

Guangdong 15/03/2008 21:42:57
#17 Alan Reid,NZ

Talking to brick (pr!ck) walls like that pair is a forlorn attempt. Your info should give them food for thought, but then again ... thought is not their strongest suit, individually or combined.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/03/2008 22:29:39
Aye, time will tell if Salmond gets this right.

My own experience of things in the New World is that the Scottish Societies are a big thing in the southern states.

New York may have been a gateway which allowed Tartan Day to expand to Tartan Week but how effective was it apart from newspaper photos over here showing the Fran and Annie-esque Lady provosts of Edingow dancing along making absolute twots of themselves?

But that is a New York minute (thank you Don Henley) in the space of time and the event is hardly known outwith NY.

Let's move on, and also think about the honour bestowed upon Scotland and how best we should celebrate this honour. It should not be for politicians. It should be about going over there and telling the Americans who we are as living people and not as advertising brochures.

Alabama, Georgia, Virginia. Go there and meet all the Macs and Mcs you want. They love it. That's the way to promote - go there yourself and meet the offspring of your ancestors on their ground. Then see how they reciprocate. It will be good.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/03/2008 22:48:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zigWpC0GHGw

This one's for the dissenters of change.
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brownlie,

glasgow 15/03/2008 23:14:18
Beth Boyle
Does Donald Trump not have roots in "Caledonia"
Salmond did not "court" Donald Trump - he was flown around Scotland by a previous administration. Salmond has ordered an enquiry into the proposed Trump investment.
72

Beth Boyle,

15/03/2008 23:21:26
Aye he does Jock #88 but his good genes could not save him from his self love.
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Beth Boyle,

15/03/2008 23:22:22
Sorry I mean Brownie #89
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Matt there,

somewhere 16/03/2008 01:50:02
NU LIEBOUR: "Let's party, party, party at the taxpayers expense!"
SNP: "Actually, although having a party is a nice idea, don't you think it might be beneficial to all people in Scotland if we treat this with more professionalism? If we use it as an opportunity to promote Scotland as a land of opportunity?"
NU LIEBOUR: "Nah! Who cares about that? Let's party, party, party at the taxpayers expense!"
SNP:"Now WE are in power, we will treat this with more professionalism!"
NU LIEBOUR: "What? No more party, party, party at the taxpayers expense?"
SNP: "No!"
NU LIEBOUR AND ASSORTED CRONIES: "Boo! Killjoys! They banned our party, party, party at the taxpayers expense! The skly is falling! The sky is falling! We are all doomed, Scotland will sink beneath the waves, and it is all that horrid Salmond's fault!"

Pathetic.
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Beth Boyle,

16/03/2008 04:25:44
A friend of mine from the Peebles area came over last year so showcase some of his products at Tartan Week. He did not get envolved with any partying. He came over two years ago as well. My Brother and his family who leave close to the city in a small town marched in the parade with my friend from Scotland. It was wonderful, everyone was up and really excited about Scotland in NYC. The weather was rough both years but it did not dampen anyones spirits. I live 400 miles away and can never go to the city in the spring as I am lambing during Tartan week. What a shame there are so many naysayers here. It really is a good thing to celebrate Scotland in NY once a year. The negative feedback on here makes me sad as does Salmond's snobby attitude.
76

DaveK,

16/03/2008 11:00:43
The whole thing just reinforces the "Grounds keeper Willie" view of Scots America has!

"There's not an animal alive who cant outrun a greased up Scotsman" (quote)
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Beth Boyle,

NY 16/03/2008 21:06:13
My are we defensive Dave! I did not even rememeber that character from the Simpsons until you brought it up.

 

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