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Published Date: 09 July 2008
THE SNP yesterday delighted its opponents in the race to win the Glasgow East by-election with its first serious mistake of the campaign.
John Mason, the Nationalist candidate, announced that his Labour opponent Margaret Curran would need to choose between being an MP or an MSP.

Mr Mason – who intends to resign his seat on Glasgow City Council if elected on 24 July – seemed to have forgotten that his boss, Alex Salmond, holds four jobs. As well as being MSP for Gordon, Mr Salmond is MP for Banff and Buchan, First Minister and leader of the SNP.

Last night the SNP MSP Sandra White accused Ms Curran of trying to "mislead" voters by claiming to have lived in Glasgow's east end all her life.

Ms White said the Labour candidate was known to have lived in the southside of Glasgow for several years.

The Nationalist MSP said: "For Margaret Curran to claim on national television that she has lived in the east end all her life is to mislead voters in a crucial by-election contest on only her first day."

Mr Mason's gaffe had been a welcome boost to Ms Curran as she officially launched her campaign yesterday. The Nationalists had been making the most of the fact she was selected as the party's fifth-choice candidate three days after Labour intended to announce who would be standing.

Mr Mason said: "Margaret Curran needs to decide – does she want to be an MP for Glasgow East or an MSP? Before anyone even considers voting Labour they should ask very carefully, do they want a full-time representative or a part-timer?"

Immediately, Labour accused the SNP of "breathtaking hypocrisy". Campaign manager David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, said: "Alex Salmond must be furious at Councillor Mason's latest blunder."

Tory leader Annabel Goldie suggested Mr Salmond take his candidate's advice and resign his Westminster seat, too.

"I agree with Mr Mason," she said. "But what's sauce for Labour's goose is sauce for the Nationalists' gander."

The gaffe provoked frantic spinning from the SNP communications team, who claimed the First Minister "absolutely" agreed with Mr Mason.

A spokesman said: "Mr Salmond stood on a pledge in Banff and Buchan in 2005 to serve the full parliamentary term, and that he was running to be First Minister in 2007, and secured a resounding endorsement from the electorate, which is totally different to Margaret Curran's position in Glasgow."

The SNP claimed Ms Curran would have to decide between the differing opinions of Holyrood Labour and Westminster Labour. It issued a ten-item list of policy differences headed by an early independence referendum supported by Holyrood Labour but opposed by Gordon Brown.

Meanwhile, a challenge by Ms Curran to Mr Mason for a television debate turned out to be less of an ambush than it first appeared. Immediately after her selection on Monday night, she laid down the gauntlet which was eagerly taken up.

But The Scotsman has since learned the two already knew that the BBC was organising a debate between the four candidates from the main parties on Sunday's Politics Show at 1pm.

That will also include Liberal Democrat Ian Robertson and Conservative Davena Rankin.

In launching his campaign, Mr Robertson evoked the spirit of the Dunfermline by-election, which was won by his party, in claiming Glasgow East was not a two-horse race.

ANALYSIS

LABOUR finally managed to field a candidate yesterday in the fight which could well decide the fate of Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister.

And the first skirmish between Margaret Curran and her Nationalist rival John Mason was revealing in the way the campaign will go. The almost instant personal attack on Ms Curran, following her own challenge for a television debate, suggests that it is going to be a dirty contest between the main protagonists in this two-horse race.

However, the tactic also showed that the Nationalists are as at good making gaffes as Labour.

And, in the end, what may decide this epic tussle is simply who makes the least mistakes.

The full article contains 691 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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The Great Deception,

09/07/2008 00:02:35
Alex Salmond is an embarassment to Scotland.

Alex Salmond knows he will fail in Scotland and so is not burning his bridges, he wants all those yummy allowances back for when his chaffeur driven rides for 200 yards to a meal dries up in Scotland.
2

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 09/07/2008 00:06:24
What are you Maddox, a reporter or a Labore spin doctor. Time to make up your mind, son.
This story is daft.
3

The Great Deception,

09/07/2008 00:08:41
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Are you talking about 2 jobs Salmond and the rank hypocrasy from his parcel of rogues being silly. I agree.
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09/07/2008 00:09:11
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:11:06
So let me get this right - she lies about where she's lived all her life and the Scotsman skims over it in favour of feigned Labour outrage - it is after all they who are the hypocrits for attacking Salmond all this time for his dual mandate.
Interesting that this Labour whinge was on the front page of their Scottish website until Sunday... when it strangely disappeared!
Also interesting that Curran's election website is nothing but negative campaigning - usual carping, sour grapes, misrepresentation and faked outrage - and not one mention of what she or her parasitic party are offering to Glasgow East.
6

ThomasP,

09/07/2008 00:11:10
The SNP were right to attack Labour.

Afterall, the SNP have suffered attacks for Salmond being an MP and MSP and now Labour are doing the same.
7

Sconglish,

09/07/2008 00:13:40
Scotsman delights in 'first serious mistake of campaign'. They should fire the copy editor after yesterday's edition, or get him on a wee course on the difference between its and it's. Actually, why am I blaming the poor copy editor?
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09/07/2008 00:13:43
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:14:25
Beautiful spin.
The Labour party have been complaining about the dual jobs of the First Minister(conveniently forgetting about Donald Dewar's)
Now when a Labour MSP is parachuted into a "safe" seat, any "sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" is "overlooked" by this fine organ's wonderful journalists.
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09/07/2008 00:15:33
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DouglasT,

09/07/2008 00:17:23
I don't find the politician of the year emabrassing, on the other hand I have been greatly embarrassed by Ms Alexander and several others in the Labour hierarchy in the recent past and I would have thought they were even more so to genuine Labour supporters.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 09/07/2008 00:17:58
Curran gets caught lying about being first choice candidate and where she lived in Glasgow.
Gets totally humiliated on the STV news report, and you say round 1 to Labour ?

Am I missing something here ?
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09/07/2008 00:20:10
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:20:48
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Deus, Sextus non Germania, Latet anguis in herba.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:21:08
#10 - as opposed to the idiots that have been so successfully in charge of the gradual destruction of Glasgow East over the last 50 years?

Come on you Labour lot - I challenge you to quit the bile, spin and negative campaigning and explain what exactly what you are going to offer the people of Glasgow East? Oh and why you haven't already delivered it in the past 50 years?
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09/07/2008 00:22:24
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subrosa,

09/07/2008 00:23:15
The matter is comment between the SNP and labour candidate surely. Why did Alex Salmond's name enter into it? Ah politics.
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Senga Jean,

09/07/2008 00:23:28
Gaffe? I'll gie ye "gaffe". Labour's Curran has being going on an on about salmond having two jobs (Just like Ian Paisley..who also had the wit to leave open his options to speak in both houses as NI LEADER) Curran has no such excuse. Scotsman DIRTY TRICKS is all I see. Gaffe?
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09/07/2008 00:23:58
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 00:27:51
QUOTES FROM THE HERALD (NOT QUITE SO BIASED.)

"...my focus just now is on the issues that matter to the people - poverty, jobs, and regeneration."
SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE AS AN MSP TO DATE?? NOTHING??

"I have lived in the East End all my life."
A LIE

"If you want a job done properly, ask a busy woman to do it.."
SEXIST

Has Gordon Brown endorsed your candidacy, has he called you? "Gordon Brown's a very busy man.."
(NO)

..issued a series of jabs at her SNP rival, John Mason, who she said was "not even interested in Westminster".
NO, HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN THE WESTMINSTER GRAVY TRAIN, ONLY IN THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE EAST END OF GLASGOW

21

DouglasT,

09/07/2008 00:28:14
It has been well documented on earlier threads, with a proof link, that labourhome altered their website at the weekend to remove an item which attacked AS for holding posts of MP and MSP simultaneously. They also had to change their own rules to allow Ms Curran to be selected as candidate. Last time they changed political rules it led to the resignation of Ms Alexander.

Of course, they don't always seek to change rules ...

From The Times 4th July, 2008
Is your MP on the roll of shame?

The vast majority of MPs - 146 of the 172 - who voted to keep the second home allowance, which allows MPs to buy items on the "John Lewis list", were Labour, including 33 ministers. The list of Scottish MPs (all Labour) is:

Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South)
Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill)
Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East)
Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West)
Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central)
David Hamilton (Midlothian)
Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East)
Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow)
Eric Joyce (Falkirk)
Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West)
James McGovern (Dundee West)
Anne McGuire (Stirling)
Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East)
Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock)
John Robertson (Glasgow North West)
Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North)
Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)

22

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:28:14
Personally, I would like to see an end to handbags at dawn political fighting and biased reporting.

Put it this way, if this is the ABC1 readership of Scotland then politicians and journalists have to stand up and take their share of the blame.

Then perhaps a retard automaton as a word censor would not be required for every post.

As it is, the very ones who should be bumped off these sites are the politicians and those who report on them.
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:28:19
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Apparently, the apprentices are put on the night shift;-)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:31:27
re22.

But enough common sense. Come on John Mason - stick it up Curran, Maddox, MacDonnell et al.
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A Better Way,

Republic of Scotland 09/07/2008 00:33:27
The Great Deception is well named by his London Controlled Labour Party. The truth and virtue of a Scottish Nation wishing to regain its right to determine its own future versus the continued management of the revolving Club of London Controlled New Labour, or the London Controlled Tory Party. Bit like a roundabout when you have been on it too long, it certainly makes you sick.

The Scottish Peoples right to govern their own land, is just a matter of time. Everyday more and more Scots are converting to the Scottish Way. Lets not leave it too long, because the 750 Billion guaranteed future Wealth that the Times said would make Scotland one of the richest Countries on this planet, is being stolen from us everyday.

Britain, as a world power is finished, they placed Gordon is a Moron on the end of the line at the photoshoot for the G8 Summit. Even they are facing up to the fact that Britain is a minor player, and is getting smaller everyday thanks to the New Labour wasting the newfound wealth provided by our Scotland.

The only hope for the millions of Scots living in poverty is Scottish Politicians, not more of the London Centric Tory/Labour roundabout.
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09/07/2008 00:33:35
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 00:34:22

Call me old fashioned - but I think that the MAIN STORY here is the fact that Margaret Curran, the Labour Candidate, has LIED.

1. Living in a leafy suburb in the Southside, and has done for several years, but claiming to have lived in the East End all of her life!!

2. Being the FIFTH choice candidate (or even SEVENTH if you count the two makeweights on the original list) but claiming to be the FIRST CHOICE!!

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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 00:36:08
This Scotsman bias is plain to see in successive articles. Just look down the right hand side of the page and read the Scotsman headlines on the SNP. Shameful.
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09/07/2008 00:36:10
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09/07/2008 00:37:31
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 09/07/2008 00:40:31
why does Lord Geordie never get tackled over this two jobs situation or doesn't the House of Lords count?
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:40:49
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Indeed it was.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:41:36
#32 ... often wondered what that jumped up little idiot claims in House of Lords attendance allowances and expenses...
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:41:57
32
Evening ochone how are you doing?
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 09/07/2008 00:42:19
So why don't the Scotsman editors put up a fo'ee of Mad Magga's house.
I suspect it's a little grander than her adoring constituents live in.
Rather than her mythical East End digs. I wonder what other hypothetical skellies are in her closet.
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09/07/2008 00:44:16
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:45:29
31 Conan the Viagran©®™, I live in a ground floor flat. Am I safe from this downstairs disease? Also, I have heard that coming down off viagra is pretty hard - is that true?
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:52:02
39
Jock, he tried to sell me viagra eyedrops...

To make him look hard.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:55:12
Ah, 40, the Viagran, you lead me onto the next bit of my summation of the article.

The comments I have made so far are about as relevant to the article as the article is to the voters of Glasgow East. The newsagents in Tollcross road had a sum total of 2 Scotsmans between them every morning at 0720 when I worked there.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:58:01
41, real Conan, I believe they are investing in viagra ear drops for students - so they p r i c k up their ears all day in classes. (retard automaton)
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Bob Fae Fife,

09/07/2008 01:09:30
Waaa! Waaaa! Waaaaa!

If that’s all they can come up with to try and discredit the SNP its going to be a Loooooong campaign.

Big Bairns!!!!
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 01:17:06
I don't know what all the fuss is about and it certainly does not appear to me to be a gaffe by Mr Mason.

Alex Salmond is my MSP although not my MP, but I know lots who have him as an MP and also both. We all know here in Aberdeenshire that his attendances at Westmister are only ocasional as his priority is attendance at Holyrood. We know the First Minister's priority is to Holyrood, but it is only reasonable to ask what will be Mrs Curran's priority - Will she attend Holyrood or Westminster when both are sitting simultaneously?

As the voting at Holyrood is generally knife-edged and dealing as it does with matters such as health, education and justice, (which are generally more relevant to ordinary people's lives than defence or foreign policy) I would imagine her presence will be more necessary at Holyrood than Westminster. I don't think she has said what she is to do. It is not possible to commit to attending both on a regular basis.
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Andrew D,

BNE 09/07/2008 01:20:36
You know, you can barely see the Scotsman's colours these days with the amount of nails its put through it sticking it to the Labour mast.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

09/07/2008 01:22:20
How on earth does this author reason his case?

She lied about being a resident , She is 5th place candidate how is that victory? Has the author ever thought Mason is being ironic on the issue given her usage of it RE: Salmond.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 01:26:50
A wee quiz folks. True or false:

1) Margaret Curran was the Labour Party's first choice as candidate for Glasgow East.

2) Margaret Curran said she was the first choice as the Labour Party candidate for Glasgow East.

3) Margaret Curran lives and has always lived in Glasgow East.

4) Margaret Curran siad she lived and has always lived in Glasgow East.

5) Stephen Purcell and Frank McAveety were out knocking the doors in Glasgow East last week.

6) After knocking the doors in Glasgow East last week, who declined to stand for the seat?

Stephen Purcell

Frank McAveety

7) Labour: Standing up for the East of Glasgow?

The winner will get a signed copy of Jack McConnell's autobiography: "Tony and Me: tackling poverty together."
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 01:28:45
#47, David Maddox is the Scotsman's Labour Hack. He writes all the anti-Local Income Tax stuff. Every now and then they trot him out. Or should that be Trot him out? Probably not. He's a Labour Hack of the Scotsman Tory ilk. Aren't they all.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 09/07/2008 01:35:34
I not surprised to see the Oinkers back. The trough must be empty after Gordo and his palls emptied it at the G8.Not to worry though he will see all the little piggies are well stuffed with all those extra Oil revenues.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 09/07/2008 01:39:03
Scotland has benefitted from having its First Minister being able to attend debates in Westminster!

Anyway, I know an easy solution to all this. Alex Salmond can resign his Banff seat and Margaret Curran can resign her Baillieston seat. There will be by-elections in both. Problem solved.

Do we have a deal?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 01:42:45
Am I being paranoid here or does anyone else sense a pro-SNP bias in this article?
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Edward,

09/07/2008 01:46:23
I find it hilarious that this paper has the headline 'Round One to Labour as SNP accused of hypocrisy over 'two jobs' jibe'
Has the reporter, who claims to be a 'Scottish Political Correspondent ' been asleep for the past week? or is it a case of just being lazy and just copying straight from the Labour breifing?
FACT 1 : Labour failed in choosing a candidate at the first, second and even fourth attempt!
Margaret Curran tried to make out during her first day in front of the press that she was first choice!. The Press shot her down on that one, when it was pointed out that she wasnt.
FACT 2 : Margaret Curran stood up on her box and clearly stated in front of TV cameras that ""I've worked in the east end all my life, and lived in the east end all my life." In fact she has lived in middle class areas of the south side for a number of years. (http://tinyurl.com/5mudbh)

So I would put it that the first couple of rounds have gone against Labour

As for ' The almost instant personal attack on Ms Curran, following her own challenge for a television debate, suggests that it is going to be a dirty contest ' Nobody needs to make any attack on Margaret Curran, suggest people view the above link from STV, she is quite capable of placeing her own foot in her mouth!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 01:54:34
Just a wee thought before I hit my scratcher.

I am wondering how the Scotsman will handle this by election.

Previous history shows them pretending impartiality until the final couple of days before polling, when they come out in favour of the baddies.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 01:57:03
Not to be outdone by Frances Curran of the SSP being at the head of the ballotpaper, Margaret Curran has decided to switch her names and will now be known as Anna Margaret Curran. Frances Curran retorted that two can play at that game and is shortening her name to Fran. "Fran and Anna" - It has a fine ring to it.
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Edward,

09/07/2008 02:00:56
The 'two jobs' story is farcical to say the least
Its used by Labour to attack Alex Salmond, but when there own candidate is likeley , in the event of winning Glasgow East, will also hold two jobs, then Labour go all quite, then claim an SNP 'gaffe' when Labour themselves are attacked on this point.
The relaity of the matter is it should be put into perspective.
Alex Salmond was an MP first before he became an MSP and First Minister He is really doing nothing any different to what Donald Dewer or Jim Wallace did. Thats a fact, but a fact that diludes Labour. Alex Salmond has also made it clear that his job as First Minister comes first, but he has also made it clear that if there is ever a debate or vote in Westminster that is of importance , in which it will have an effect on Scotland he will attend to ensure Scotland's voice is heard. Alex Salmond also made a point that he would stand down at the next General election (he would have stood down at the end of last year, if Gordon Brown hadnt bottled it over planning the election for October 2007).
Now we have Margaret Curran, who is a sitting MSP, who should be placing that position first and foremost. But clearly considers the poistion as second to being elected MP to Westminster. Labour are desperate, they failed to get anyone else to be candidate. If in the event that Margaret Curran does get elected, the first thing she must do is resign her seat as MSP. Then Labour can have two Holyrood by elections at the same time, the other being for Jack McConnells seat, who should also be resigning as he is 'supposed' to be taking up the High Commissioner post in Malawi (but cant see that happening)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 02:08:46
56, Edward, think you will find that if Curran is elected - and there is nothing to suggest she won't be - she will be summonsed to Westminster whenever there is a crucial vote on.

For the most part Labour would be happy for her to stay at Hollyrood.

This might explain why Labour is playing the 2 jobs game. A diversion tactic.

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urban poacher,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 03:08:00
seems maddox is causing problems at board room level the mob wanting to take over johnston press don't like labour so there might be a few heading out.
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FrancesP,

09/07/2008 03:13:49
58. Spot on. I'm surprised Mr Maddox didn't lump in the fact that Alex Salmond is also the Keeper of the Great Seal and a Privy Councillor (both of which also go automatically with his position as First Minister) to try and portray him as having six jobs. And doesn't he write the odd column about horse racing? So he's a journalist too, that's seven. Good grief, where does it all end? Is being a husband a job?

Harriet Harman, by the way, is Leader of the House of Commons, Lord Privy Seal, Minister for Women, Minister for Equality, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, Chairman of the Labour Party, Member of Parliament for Peckham, a Privy Councillor and last but not least a Queen's Counsel. I make that nine.
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FrancesP,

09/07/2008 03:50:08
61. "Margaret Curran was correct she was the first choice at the candidate selection meeting held on Monday evening."

Come on, that's an understatement. Let's put the scale of her achievement in context - she achieved a margin of victory not seen in 'democratic' politics since Kim Jong-Il swept to victory in the last North Korean general election.

However, the fact remains she couldn't possibly have been first choice when the decision was originally supposed to be made, because at the time she wasn't even on the shortlist of three. Question - if it had been one of the other two candidates (rather than the overwhelming favourite George Ryan) who had failed to turn up for the selection meeting, would the process still have been hastily postponed? Would latecomers still have been allowed a second chance to get on the shortlist? Answer - yes of course they would! This is the Labour Party, after all, where rules are applied rigorously, consistently, and without fear or favour. Obviously.

(Mind you, there was that cardinal rule about Labour MSPs never under any circumstances being allowed to stand as MPs, but that one doesn't count because it was 'suspended' long before Curran was added to the shortlist - well, a good ten seconds before, anyway.)
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SilverShred,

in the jamjar 09/07/2008 04:49:14
Cannae tell her Southside from her East End?

Perhaps she's lost her moral compass?
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 05:16:49
"However, the tactic also showed that the Nationalists are as at good making gaffes as Labour."

That one sentence illustrates the quality of this article - pathetic.

Does this "quality" newspaper hire neds to report on politics now?
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 05:24:43
"Asked if she supported the war in Iraq, she replied: "I voted in the Scottish Parliament for us to have a second resolution at the... em... United Nations, um, em, and that's what I'll be doing. Thank you."

And that is labour's offering to Glasgow East - god help us all!
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Scythia,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 05:41:57
In the immortal words of a famous American comedian..


" ..The ethics of politicians are about one notch below child molestors."


Reading this just confirms it.
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Argyll on line,

Inveraray 09/07/2008 06:33:24
Just how biased can The Hootsman get?The lead story on Scotland Today last night was Curran blatantly lyimng about having lived 'all my life'in the East End. The programme showed shots of her long time residence in the South Side.A very substantial first round to the SNP in fact.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 09/07/2008 06:44:10
oxo and bisto both battle over margaret curran to front there new promotional campaign in the west of scotland
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donald,

glasgow 09/07/2008 07:14:42
This contrasts deeply with Maggie Maggie's live interview on TV, where she came across as a bumbling idiot unable to give simple straight answers to Bernard Ponsonby's simple questions about where she lives and where Iraq was.
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Tynietiger,

09/07/2008 07:36:22
Round One to SNP particularly if you watched STV news last night.

Ms Curran mislead voters by claiming to have lived in Glasgow's east end all her life.

The Labour candidate was known to have lived in a leafy part of the southside of Glasgow for several years.


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LEAL,

09/07/2008 07:39:29
Does Margaret Curran support a referendum on independence?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 07:54:40
Mrs Curran's voting record on behalf of Glasgow East...
17th April 2008 - Voted against scrapping the Council Tax which soared
by 60% under Labour before the SNP froze it.

• 20th March 2008 - Voted to hamper councils building new council houses
by not restricting right to buy legislation which has seen council house
building plummet. Between 2004 and 2006 a grand total of only 6 houses
were been built by Local Authorities in Scotland.

• 28th February 2008 - Voted against scrapping the graduate endowment
tuition fee for students.

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support a freeze on the Council Tax.
(Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support record spending for local
authorities. (Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support reducing prescription charges - a
tax on the ill. (Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support 1000 extra police officers on
Scotland's streets- there will 750 extra in Strathclyde. (Abstained)

• 27th September 2008 - Voted against new patient rights.

• 14th June 2007 - Failed to oppose billions being wasted on weapons of
mass destruction.

• 27th June 2007 - Voted to spend half a billion pounds on a tram line in
Edinburgh - money which could, in part be spent on key transport
objectives in Glasgow
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Upbeat,

09/07/2008 07:56:57
Breath taking hypocracy ? : " A spokesman said: "Mr Salmond stood on a pledge in Banff and Buchan in 2005 to serve the full parliamentary term, and that he was running to be First Minister in 2007, and secured a resounding endorsement from the electorate...."

The People of Scotland have not been consulted as to whether they wished a 'part time' First Minister. Despite the SNP duplicity of the "Alex Salmond for First minister" dodge, on ballot papers,( which confused so many people ) It was by no means clear to the general Scottish electorate that Alex Salmond would prove himself so complacent and self important, lacking in respect for the standards of public life , and so distrustful of his colleagues, that he would decline to give up some of his other commitments on becoming First Minister for Scotland.

We see consequences of this meglomanic grasping of every power some 6000 miles south in a certain region of Africa also.

He should
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:04:37
Any more word on that cesspit of corruption, Glasgow City Council and their official handbook, HALLS OF INFAMY????
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:07:23
#74 LEAL

She'll need to ask her Dear Leader, Comrade Broon.

He's jaunting around the world pretending to be a statesman at the moment eating 18 course meals.

Life is good in New Labour Sleaze!
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:13:41
"Most Labour voters think Gordon Brown is a 'loser'"

The headline from the Times
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Skyrat,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:16:55
It's Labour who are the hypocrites. After publicly slamming Alex Salmond for not resigning his Westminster seat after he won Gordon to become an MSP, they now put forward a candidate who will be doing just that if she wins. They're a joke.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 09/07/2008 08:17:25
And the Daily Record have resorted to lifting quotes from other papers online quotes.
From my quote on the Herald
"Posted by: Colkitto, River Clyde on 11:42pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Strange how it happened when the SNP election launch was the headline news.....
From today's Daily Record
"Meanwhile SNP hardliners claim a fire alarm which kept Reporting Scotland off the air on Monday was a unionist plot.

One supporter on an online blog said: "Strange how it happened when the SNP election launch was the headline news."

Labour MP Tom Harris laughed: "Perhaps Lord Lucan was involved, too."

Just for the record (and Daily Record) I'm not a member of the SNP


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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:23:33
The article headline is a wee bit out is it not, David Maddox???

Round 1 went to the SNP when Von Ryan did a runner.

Round 2 went to the SNP when Purcell knocked back 4 pleas/commands from Our Dear Leader.

Round 3 went to the SNP when Father Cairns made his appearance in the campaign.

Did you go to the same school as Hamish???
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inkster,

09/07/2008 08:27:48
All the SNP have to do is put a few large posters of Brown and Thatcher at the door of No 10 round the locality.

After all a picture is worth a thousand words.

'The phrase came to be used widely, in the UK at least, during the Conservative Party's 1992 election campaign. The Tories used a poster to undermine the Labour Party. It contained the text "Labour's Double Whammy" and, on the boxing gloves, "1. More Taxes" and "2. Higher Prices". The poster proved to be a highly effective part of the campaign for the Conservatives - who won the subsequent election.'

After all what's sauce for the goose...
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donald,

glasgow 09/07/2008 08:32:59
Borders Books Glasgow were out of the 'Halls of Infamy' book yesterday. Maybe the copies were bought up by corrupt Labour Cooncillors before the public got their hands on them.
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The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 09/07/2008 08:34:24
All very boring. Ultimately they are all as bad as each other. No trust left in politics.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:38:12
Upbeat nonsense when he/she says "The People of Scotland have not been consulted as to whether they wished a 'part time' First Minister."
Ballot papers with Alex Salmond for First Minister received the hihest number of votes last May despite Lord (two jobs) Foulkes and unionist opponents harping on for months before complaining about Alex Salmond's two jobs.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:42:06
The great deception is that the former MP for Glasgow East, who stood down allegedly because of "ill health", has paid the incredible sum of £500,000 in "wages" to members of his family out of his parliamentary expenses for allegedly carrying out "administrative" work on his behalf!

Meantime, his constituents are amongst the most socially and economically deprived people in Western Europe!

English journalists could not believe that, in the 21st Century, people still lived in such bleak conditions in an area of Glasgow totally devoid of the usual amenities of life, and could not understand why there were so many boarded up houses and areas of waste ground? Driving around the schemes they were also baffled as to why there were so few cars parked in the streets until it was learned that parts of the constituency have the lowest car ownership in the UK!
83

Mikey,

09/07/2008 08:47:43
Why no comment by Labour (or the SNP) on the sitting member's financial proclivities?
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jacquesmac,

with faux-cu 09/07/2008 08:55:04
And, in the end, what may decide this epic tussle is simply who makes the least mistakes.

fewer mistakes, tut, tut
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:56:01
Re: "hypocrisy over 'two jobs' jibe".

The only hypocrisy on this comes from SLAB who have banged on for the past year about Salmond holding an MP/MSP position. Only to remove the criticism from their web site when Margaret "eastender" Curran was persauded by her Labour superiors that having a dual MP/MSP role was perfectly OK after all.

I expect The Northbritishman to be one of the chief cheerleaders for Margaret Curran, so not suprised in the least to see how they're setting about that task.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 09:10:11
I too have lived in the east-end of Queens Park all my life.
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:12:36
McMadmann ..Alec Salmond claimed £ 815.692 Expenses from 2001 till the 2008 ..Can you honestly say that none of that cash went to Family and Friends ? he has been claiming over £130.000 each year since 2002..not including his paycheck ...I think it is about time we asked why in the lasy year when he has hardly been in Westminster why his Expenses bill was still so high ..and how much of that cash as went the Way of Duck Feed ...haha....
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Teamdroid,

09/07/2008 09:18:03
Sorry Scotsman, but the first gaffe of the campaign proper came in Margaret Curran's very first interview. She claimed to have lived in the East End all her life, but unless Glasgow's East End now incorporates some of the South Side's leafier suburbs, that's a flat out lie.

And of course, the hypocrisy over the two jobs issue cuts both ways: otherwise, how come all material on Labour's website criticising Salmond on this very point disappeared over the weekend?
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AJ Fife,

09/07/2008 09:21:56
Typical anti-SNP story from the Scotsman!

Does anyone know why the Scotsman keeps it's name, as it certainly doesn't trumpet the interests of 'proper' Scottish people!?

How about suggesting some new names for the rag?

How about the Daily Vommit!
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State...... Coatbridge 09/07/2008 09:22:43
#1
The embarrassment is in not being able to spell embarrassed correctly....2 r's and 2 s's....looks like you made an r's of that eh?...bit like Big Hen Ballooon and Wendy Bendy Toy and Margaret "where does she actually live" Curran.
Must be murder for the wummin when she gets lost going home at night !!
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:25:54
All that the Oppostion need do his Put Alec Salmond comments acroos the Union Jack and Mason will be run out of the East End...
92 as I have said before there were Area`s in Glasgow that had priorty over the East End ..Those Area`s are now more or less sorted and money was spent in the East End trying to keep the Tenaments up to scratch because of the kick off when most of Glasgows Historical Building were demolished in the 60`s and as we all know Thatcher wasnt to keen of giving Labour held seats much cash for regeneration or do you also wipe out the damage done by variou Tory Governments over the last 50yrs and you will find many new houses with in the East End and now they have priorty ( Due to Labours support to get the Commonwealth Games and Fighting against the Natz trying to block SportScotland relocating there ..they also have the Finances to do so )so the Future looks Bright for the East End ..and not sue to anything from the Natz ..
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:28:55
Meanwhile SNP hardliners claim a fire alarm which kept Reporting Scotland off the air on Monday was a unionist plot.

This just show you how para the Natz are >>>>>One supporter on an online blog said: "Strange how it happened when the SNP election launch was the headline news." ..Wonder who that plonker was ...must be one of the Leaders Eh!!!

Labour MP Tom Harris laughed: "Perhaps Lord Lucan was involved, too."

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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 09:35:24
103. I think he meant Lord Watson
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Micropacer,

09/07/2008 09:37:37
"Round one to Labour"

Im pretty open minded about politics and dont "support" any party like most on here.

Round one certainly was not to Labour - infact Labour had put its gloves on the wrong hands and entered the ring with no shorts on before this even began.

If the Scotsman was just biased towards Labour it would report the news with a subtle Labour slant but it doesnt.

Instead it just spouts outright Labour propaganda.Its hard to see why anyone would let articals like this into a newspaper if they had any sense of producing a proffesional paper.

This isnt a newspaper anymore its more like a student production.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

09/07/2008 09:41:15
The truth is that both parties are full of hypocrisy and bull over this issue.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

09/07/2008 09:44:03
#87 Why refer to david cairns as "Father" or is that just your own in-built bigotry oozing through?
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Calum10,

09/07/2008 09:44:22
This is a telling piece by David Maddox as it shows how far the Scotsman has fallen over the years.

Never in a million years would the Scotsman of the past support someone like Margaret Curran. The Scotsman would never have supported her flip-flop politics, never have supported her rough public behaviour, nor supported someone who is disloyal as Margaret Curran is.

The Scotsman of the past would never have countenanced Margaret Curran, it would have condemned her as being unsuitable.

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Queen D,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:48:03
That's unkind to students Micropacer!
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Steve_HMFC,

09/07/2008 09:48:35
Curran's situation is slightly different considering she does not have an office.

Salmond does, a pretty important office as well.

By not being in govt, Curran will be able to dedicate time between her two seats. Salmond cannot do this and has seen less of Westminster recently than Hibs have the Scottish Cup.
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:55:16
Are you saying Wee Eck dont Lie ????
He said that the Nats had already been found out breaking promises but now they were even denying making such promises and referred specifically to their election pledge to write off all student debt. That, added Mr Stephen, had now been ratted upon by Fiona Hyslop, the Education Minister, who was now saying that the Nats had never made such a promise.

Mr Salmond agreed, saying that all his party had promised was to pay the interest payments on student debt. But that wasn't good enough for Mr Stephen, who quite rightly said that all he remembered from last May's election campaign were the Nat "dump the debt" leaflets, postcards to students and even a podcast from Mr Salmond. Mr Stephen also highlighted an article on Ms Hyslop's own website, where it said the SNP would assume debt repayments for the accumulated debt owed to the Student Loans Company.

And he asked: "Who should people believe I wonder - Fiona Hyslop or fionahyslop.com?''

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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 09:55:27
#108 The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON).

The reason I refer to Cairns as Father Cairns is he used to be a priest. Had he been a reverend I would have referred to him as Rev Cairns and had he been an imam I would have called him Ayatollah Cairns.

As for my built in bigotry, I have no time for any religion.

It has caused too much misery and destruction for my liking.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 10:04:41
Taking the Northbritishmans circulation figures as being south of 50K per day ... and given that the socio-econimoc target demographic of The Northbritishman does NOT exactly tally with the Record,Sun,Metro, EveningTimes readers of the east end...

...I can only conclude ... what a freekin' waste of newsprint !
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 10:07:49
104 ..Bob please use the proper celtic spelling is Boudica ( pronounced> Boo-Dee-Ka ) and not show your Ignorance of Celtic History by using the Roman Latin version of Boudicea
( pronounced Bow-Di-See-a)
Thank you
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McMillar,

London 09/07/2008 10:11:56
I hope the people of Glasgow East get a candidate who can deliver real change to the area and residents. It’s a critical time for that area and the period up to commonwealth games will see many opportunities + investments etc…This is danger of becoming a circus show and losing the plot over why have elections in 1st place. Think carefully and take the chance to have your say. Good luck.
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G,

dundee 09/07/2008 10:12:19
The SNP candidate without someone with a brain* to hold his hand makes his first gaffe (* which in the SNP means Salmond)....Labour's tactics should focus on "quality" of the candidate and the failed promises of the SNP administration....bluster will only get you so far....
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bluehead,

edinburgh 09/07/2008 10:17:50
the terminally ill labour pile are on their last legs
it is time for them to depart.
A lot of changes are needed in Scotland and the one most important is to get rid of the labour lot,
only then will we see real progress
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MisterN,

Scotland 09/07/2008 10:21:45
I told you the media will fight this campaign for the Labour party mainly because they are completely incapable of managing it themselves.
If Labour do win this bielection then it will be down only to the media and its lies and misinformation.
Thats the democracy we live in.
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Arfur,

09/07/2008 10:23:24
Round one to Labour???????

Hootsman - which planet are you on?
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Alan B,

09/07/2008 10:29:16
#117 G

Labour are an embarrassment.

I can understand people wanting the union. I can understand people supporting centre left parties. I can understand people supporting a socialist party (which labour used to be somewhat).

But why would anyone support a party that has become so corrupt both morally and financially. For a party that claimed they would clean up politics they have been publicly the worst offender of any party in my lifetime. I really do not understand why anyone who takes an interest in politics would still vote and support that party. It is not as if scotland does not have alternative centre left or/and unionist parties.
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 10:30:17
Having consulted my crystal ball - my father had a glass eye - I can now reveal that the head-line in tomorrow's Scotsman will read:

SOUTH-SIDE OF GLASGOW IS IN EAST-END OF GLASGOW

by David Maddox

Despite over-whelming evidence to the contrary, your diligent and intrepid seeker of truth, David Maddox - Scottish Political Correspondent - has uncovered the fact that the South-side of Glasgow - previously known as Soo-side - is, in fact, in the East-end of Glasgow.

I interviewed two local residents who confirmed this. One eloquently stated "WTF?" whilst the other said "Chan'eil thu glic" thus confirming the long-held belief in Glasgow that I have not got a clue what I am talking about other than what Simon Pia (who I don't know) tells me to write.

More news on Mike Watson having no connection with the false fire alarm at STV tomorrow!
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 09/07/2008 10:33:46
If Labour won round one I hope they keep it up. It's great getting beat up like this!

Then at the end of the fight when they have been justly humiliated the shock will be all the greater!
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Alan B,

09/07/2008 10:34:26
#117 G

"Labour's tactics should focus on "quality" of the candidate "

So labour should focus on the quality of their candidate who has shown to be a liar before the whole thing really gets going.

Is she that stupid that she did not think people would know where she really lived.

Labours best chance is to hope that parts of scotland will continue to vote labour no matter what.

To hope that no matter how bad labour get, the people just view labours lies and indiscretions a political parties in general and hope the mud stick to all the parties and not labour.

And to do what it does best. Make the fight a dirty contest, using all the underhand tactics normally associated with it.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

09/07/2008 10:34:32
More Onionista bumf from the Hootsmaun, no need to spin this, Labour Party rules prohibit candidates from taking up a seat in another 'parliament', so late on Saturday night, Nu Labour/Owld Torie NatEx bent their own rules to let Woolly Madge run as a candidate.

They also broke their own rules on Friday when one of their 'short listed' people 'withdrew from the contest'.
Under Nu Labour Owld Torie rules the constituency party MUST make their choice from the remaining 'contestants'.

This however, was not done, and Madge was badgered into standing, then, not so much 'parachuted in', as 'fired in'.

A great move from Nu Labour/Owld Torie leaders in London, effectively putting Madge oot the SLAB leadership race, so they can make up a 'short list' of candidates and instruct the Nu Labour/Owld Torie MSPs how to vote.
Oh, an if Madge wins she's gonna hod the twa joabs.

Also Labour removed their attack on Alex Salmond for holding 'twa joabs' from their website on Friday, just in case it was used against them, to late Liebores ye've already been rumbled.

Hardly 'round one to Nu Labour/Owld Torie'.

As for the Hootsmaun story, pure garbage, this paper is really finished now, as a 'quality' paper, just stick a 'red top' on it cos that's what they are, a sleazy, downmarket, tabloid.
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John south of Soutra,

09/07/2008 10:43:15
The Great Gordo has more problems than this up and coming by-election, according to this morning's news, Harriet Harman has been sounding out MPs about standing for the leadership as she believes that she deliver middle England - when the cats away
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Norman,

09/07/2008 10:52:38
To say that Alex Salmond has 4 jobs is exactly the kind of spinning that the Scotsman accuse the SNP of. Did they say that Jack McConnell had 2 jobs - MSP and First Minister? Donald Dewar? The curly-haired one who had to leave after dodgy expenses scandal? The bobbed-hair one who had to leave after dodgy expenses scandal?

Did they 'eck as like.

So Margaret Curran has been caught out lying - and that's not as important as hypocrisy is it?

Once again, the Unionist rag the Scotsman loses a few more readers...
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John south of Soutra,

09/07/2008 10:53:20
#115 - As the Celts are gerally accepted as being - The Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornwall and Britanny, why are you trying to pass off a Queen from what became Angleland as a Celtic Queen
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:21:35
Others stories in The Northbritishman today:

"Black is white"
"Up is down"
"Earth is flat"

And naturally the Nortbritishmans target demographic of middle-class professionals and decision makers will of course believe every word :-;

Talk about misjudging your audience... It's not even "clever" spin these days. It's just a crude condescending glutinous spit in the eyes of the readers. One good thing though, the intended readership "isn't buying it". LITERALLY !
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 11:26:37

SALMOND SALARY TO FUND NEW TRUST. http://tinyurl.com/4y98mw

Alex Salmond,The first minister said the trust would help north-east groups.

First Minister Alex Salmond is to set up a charitable trust, funded by his MSPs salary.

The trust is expected to generate about £18,000 a year until the next General Election, and will fund youth and community projects in the north-east.

As MP for Banff and Buchan, Mr Salmond receives £60,675, as well as a third of his £53,091 salary as MSP for Gordon.

Mr Salmond said Holyrood officials told him he had to accept his MP's salary plus one third of his MSP's pay.

In a statement, he said the new trust would be named the Mary Salmond Trust after his late mother.


I pledged that for the time I represent the north-east as an MSP and as an MP, that I would only personally benefit from one parliamentary salary
Alex Salmond

In addition to both salaries, Mr Salmond also collects £77,000 as first minister.

Before the Scottish election he said he would draw just one salary if he was also elected as an MSP.

He said: "I pledged that for the time I represent the north-east as an MSP and as an MP, that I would only personally benefit from one parliamentary salary and not the one plus a third the rules stipulate.

"By establishing this trust, I am redeeming that commitment, and in so doing, allowing north east community organisations to benefit.

"The trust is named 'The Mary Salmond Trust' in honour of my late mother who spent a lifetime supporting community organisations, particularly as a Girl Guider."
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Miss H,

09/07/2008 11:39:11
The problem with Scotsman political journalists is that they don't understand politics.

So what if Alex Salmond has a dual mandate? That's no reason not to attack Margaret Curran for the same.

Voters in Glasgow East are choosing between John Mason and Margaret Curran - not Alex Salmond and Margaret Curran.

D'oh.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 09/07/2008 11:39:15
Aye right. I think the Scots Sorry Labourman is flogging a dead horse with this report...
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Richard Lionheart,

09/07/2008 11:43:56
Labour makes accusations of hypocrisy!

Are they now claiming to know what that means?

Voters of Glasgow East, Your Country needs YOU to vote SNP.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/07/2008 11:44:31
Round 1 to Labour - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Hootsmon WELL knows that Labour scrabbled about for a fourth - or was it seventh - no, no wait - was it eighth? choice candidate!

Round 1 to Labour? I think NOT. But nice try, Hootsmon.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:45:40
Round1 to Labour???? A party who calls a quick by election to suit its own ends, depriving many of a vote because they will be away on holiday? A party who despite knowing when they will call the election FAIL to have their own candidate selected in time for the camapaign kick off??

A candidate who forgets where she lives? Surely it's rounds 1,2 and 3 to the SNP.
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John B Dick,

09/07/2008 11:46:35
Scottish MP's no longer have the workload they had before devolution as English ones still do.

SNP MP's have even less to do because the are not lobby fodder for the government and dont bother with English legislation for Health, Education, Justice etc. It really is a part time job for them.

AS can get the other SNP MP's to do most of the work for him. MS hasn't got that option.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 09/07/2008 11:51:39
One of the things that has impressed me about the SNP of late has been their political sure-footedness. It therefore comes as a bit of a surprise that they should have been caught out on this. They must surely have seen this retort coming.

It is no big thing I agree and the party should be able to ride out this storm in a teacup.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:54:32
Re 2 jobs Salmond versus potentially 2 jobs Curran (she should be so lucky).

1. It's not so much the 2 jobs that is Curran's problem but the fact that her constituents would then only have ONE representative to fight their battles instead of two. In other words, were John Mason to be elected Glasgow East constituents could go to him or Margaret Curran for help and advice, if she is elected they will only have her.

TWO reps is always better than one surely. Glasgow East's second rep is John Mason.

Oh and 2. Salmond is following the trend of past First Ministers, a trend started by Labour.
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Shredder,

09/07/2008 11:58:33
#133 Hen Broon: such devotion to Dear Leader, such dilligent pasting of his words and deeds!
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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:08:37
Being an MP or MSP is not a job. It's a hobby. A lot of MPs/MSPs have a real job as well. I don't see why someone shouldn't have two hobbies.
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jacquesmac,

faux-cu 09/07/2008 12:09:22
I have sussed it out!
There are wee boys and lassies in the employ of The Herald posting unionist stools on the The Scotsman, totally denaible that one if anyone finds the unique computer number and probably the same in reverse?

Explains why some the Trolls pop up at different time around the clock.

Quote their names and they are very quick to respond?
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Gina Gibson,

Wales 09/07/2008 12:16:38
If round one had been won by Labour they would be in power!

Since they aren't in power then they are lying about winning....nothing new there!
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Shredder,

09/07/2008 12:21:45
#141 Publius: maybe it doesn't apply so much to MSPs, but many MPs have outside interests (whether consultancies or other business). It’s in effect a similar situation to that which pertained before MPs were actually paid for doing the job, but if you want people of quality, that’s quite simply the way it has to be.
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Miss H,

09/07/2008 12:27:44
141 Name the MSPs with other jobs.
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Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 09/07/2008 12:28:20
Is this the same Sandra White SNP MSP who employs her son at public expense?
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John S,

09/07/2008 12:30:31
Labour and the Tories have both criticised Salmond's dual role as MP and MSP in the past. However, Labour claim that Curran's situation is different because her Holyrood seat lies within the Glasgow East Westminster constituency.
Daily Record 9 July 2008
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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:30:48
#144 Shredder

I agree with you most of the way. We need to think through what MPs/MSPs are for. Points include:
(1) They should be representative, not just of gender, class, ethnicity etc but of occupations and economic activities.
(2) They should be successful people, people who have proven they can achieve something outside of people.
(3) They should be able to organise their time so that they are not simply welfare brokers for their constituents. They receive enough in expenses to allow them to do this.

The problem at the moment is that we have professional politicians. The election of another professional politician, SNP or Labour, won't contribute anything to the betterment of mankind.
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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:33:50
#72 Linda
Your post is identical to one sent by someone else yesterday. Please explain.
Did you copy it from the other post?
Are you the same poster?
Did you copy it from SNP propaganda?
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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:36:16
#145 Miss H
I have no idea which SNP MSPs have other jobs. If they are not part of the Scottish Government they certainly should have another job.
If they don't they're a waste of taxpayers' money.
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Joe90,

Erehwon 09/07/2008 12:39:03
Alec '4 jobs' Salmond????

By this reasoning, every cabinet minister, north and south of the border has at least 2 jobs and we all know that Des Brown has three!!

Alec salmond is leader of the SNP, therefore when he is elected to represent a constituency and his party becomes the government, he automatically becomes First Minister (not a job - a position in government). So, he has one job with three facets (or hats - take your pick!) Enough has been said above about his Westminster position and he has made it clear that he will stand down in due course. An honourable man, and the best one to fight Scotland's corner in London.

In the absence of any other candidate, suitable or otherwise, Margaret Curran has been parachuted in, in an abortive attempt to save Labour's bacon, not to mention that of Gordon Brown.

Is there really no other candidate available in the Labour ranks?


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John S,

09/07/2008 12:39:16
Candidates in the Glasgow East by-election will be given two chances to go head to head on live television, the BBC confirmed last night.
The corporation said it would invite the four main candidates on to this Sunday's Politics Show and a special edition of Newsnight to be shown on July 17.
Herald -July 09 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5esytl
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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:39:40
#135 Brian Hill

"depriving many of a vote because they will be away on holiday"

I don't see this. I doubt if Glasgow Fair makes any difference to the number of holiday makers. One week in summer is much the same as any other. Or are you suggesting that SNP voters will be on holiday while Labour voters are at home?

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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:43:30
#72 Linda

Are you still sure that trams are a waste of money. The rise in oil has made electric transit systems for cities a much more viable proposition. I've changed my mind about trams. Perhaps you should too - or won't your party allow you to have a mind of your own?
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 12:53:35
We all know that Alex Salmond only attends Westminster if he has something useful to say or to vote on something relevant to Scotland. As First Minister he has other more important matters to deal with.

I'm sure Margaret Curran is quite capable of staying at Holyrood and going occasionally to London when her presence is required by the UK Government. But she should say whether going to Westminster is to be a shove in between her other priorities or not. If she feels she can handle both roles as a woman what are all her male Labour buddies finding to do full time in the House of Commons. I always suspected they have been largely part-time for the past 10 years.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 12:57:44
153 Publius says: "One week in summer is much the same as the other"....not in Glasgow it isn't. The Glasgow Fair is when most people who can afford it will go on holiday.

Everyone, including myself fully expected this election in mid August at the earliest. Elections are virtually never in July because of the holidays.

Irrespective of which party holiday makers belong to they all deserve a vote. Clearly Labour calculated the loss of some of their own voters was less harmful than giving the SNP time to get up a full head of steam.

Doesn't look like Labour can cope with the full force of the nationalist argument.
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Feenon,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 12:59:54
#152 -

A telly debate at peak time would be better - more chance of the voters seeing it. I do hope that Mrs Curran continues in her rampant fishwife vein, so that these voters really understand what the labour party have had to settle for in this constituency.

I also hope it is made clear that where other part of the country are improving year on year this 'safe Labour Seat' has continued to decline - coincidence?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 13:02:21
Publius.

In a very tight devolution settlement from Westminster £500 million could be much better spent on other public transport initiatives which represent much better value than one tram line which replicates the number 22 bus and will be a drain on Lothian Buses finances for the next 30 years which is why they are already considering cutting many routes.
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Tom R,

09/07/2008 13:15:15
What are the chances of Margaret Curran finding her way to Westminster even if elected, given she seems to be unaware even of where she has lived over recent years?

Also, to save time, could the Scotsman provide now its headlines for political stories about Glasgow East over the next couple of weeks-just so that we can read in advance about the wonderful Labour campaign in the full glory without having to worry about the facts?
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Teamdroid,

09/07/2008 13:18:51
#152 - a disgrace if the BBC limit these debates to the four "main" parties. Local factors must play a part - it is a by-election after all. As such, the SSP candidate must be allowed to participate as well. The sympathies of local voters are far more likely to be with their manifesto than that of, say, the Tories.
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john z,

edinburgh 09/07/2008 13:25:26
Margaret Curran " I've lived in the East end all my life". Aye, just like I've lived in the Pope's private residence in the Vatican city all my life.

Utter p*sh.

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Observer from another dimension,

09/07/2008 13:40:32
You know the difference between a labour politician and an SNP one, don't you. The SNP haven't been in power long enough to become corrupt but it will happen
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Miss H,

09/07/2008 13:52:46
153 You might be surprised by the number of people who still take their holidays during the Glasgow Fair.

Labour are clearly hoping to get their candidate in on a low turnout and are also hoping that the SNP will not be able to pull off another famous by-election victory with a campaign that lasts just 3 weeks.
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Talorthane,

09/07/2008 14:09:04
#163 Observer

"You know the difference between a labour politician and an SNP one, don't you. The SNP haven't been in power long enough to become corrupt but it will happen"

You know the difference between a labour supporter and an SNP supporter, don't you.

The labour supporter's faith in his party has been eroded so far that his only remaining defence is:

"Don't vote for them, because one day they'll be as bad as us."
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 14:15:10






Manfaecairos = Giro's.

















LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 14:18:46
http://tinyurl.com/5vwtkd



He criticised the government's insistence that the current postal voting system was working.

"Anybody who has sat through the case I have just tried and listened to evidence of electoral fraud that would disgrace a banana republic would find this statement surprising," he said.

The scandal in Birmingham threatens to undermine Britain's long-established reputation for trustworthy elections.



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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

09/07/2008 14:19:08
#164 Another issue that no-one has raised yet but is bound to come up is religion.

Do you think it will play any role in this campaign?

Just the cynic in me suspects that Labour will try to play it for all its worth - with a whispering campaign about the opposition's credentials. You can bet at some point that she'll be photographed with some Celtic legend and draped in the Green and White.

In John Mason's favour - he doesn't support either of the Old Firm (he's a Clyde fan) and is neither a Catholic nor Presbyterian (he's a Baptist).
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 14:19:58
163 Obs

Great post! perhaps you can tell us how long it takes to be corrupt? Is there an apprenticeship or fast/track? How does it work? If in doubt ask a number of MPs.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

09/07/2008 14:21:09
#166 Hen - could you please stop trivialising the situation in Zimbabwe with your pathetic attempts to paint New Labour as some sort of UK equivalent of ZANU PF.

If this were Zimbabwe they wouldn'teven be holding a by-election and you'd have been beaten up by now.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 14:22:54
Desperate stuff from Maddox.
I saw Curran on one of her jaunts through the east end she was as expected surrounded by red balloons on legs.
Nothing but ranting nonsence from curran, her record speaks for its self ,totaly useless.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 14:25:13
Has anyone spied Red Wendy out on the campaign trail speaking out for all the poor and disadvantaged??????????

Lending her massive talent and incredible intellect to her friend and colleague Maggie Curran's bid for glory???

If she hasn't been out canvassing, she may be out fund raising.

We all know she's good at that.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 09/07/2008 14:35:14
Hypocricy?
I never knew any self respecting member - if there is such a thing - of the lying corrupt New Labour Party knew such a word existed and if so, they knew how too spell it.
One lives and learns, no matter how old one may be?
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 09/07/2008 14:37:42
171, not like you Fed, I never agree with you, but your usually up to speed.

Religion has been mentioned, in the Daily Record (of course)George Galloway just happened to mention that the Labour lass came from a working class catholic background.

The day before that , the Record itself just happened to mention whilst commenting on the SNP candidate that he was 'unmarried', whatever that actually means, you will be amazed to learn that the Record never expanded on it's comment.

The more cynical might think it was aimed at older catholics in the ward and had overtones of homophobia but surely not!!!!
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Scottish Toryboy,

09/07/2008 14:40:10
#171 Federalist: don’t worry, I have now reported Hen Broon’s fanatical ramblings! Isn’t there another site more appropriate for culty chaps like him?
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 14:53:45
171

Quite right, Fed, it is clear from previous postings that we unionists never mention Mugabe and Salmond in the same sentence!
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Yeah1,

09/07/2008 14:59:18
#156 brian hill:

"Everyone, including myself fully expected this election in mid August at the earliest. Elections are virtually never in July because of the holidays."

Actually this will be the 4th by-election (out of 11)since 2005 to be held in July - thats not exactly 'virtually never' is it?
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Observer from another dimension,

09/07/2008 15:01:28
Re #165 Talorthane. Being an anarchist, I don't support any party. My point is that all power corrupts and eventually all political parties suffer from the same flaws irrespective of their initial intentions.
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Saruman,

09/07/2008 15:02:18
#177 Brownlie: at least Mugabe didn’t employ his best lawyers to devise that referendum question about opening negotiations with a view to independence. Makes separation sound like a walk in the park rather than a leap in the dark!
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Miss H,

09/07/2008 15:05:05
178 Not in Scotland. You may say that there have been by-elections in England - well I don't care what happens in England.

The fact is there was no need whatsoever to have this by-election this quickly and it will disenfranchise large numbers of people who might have wanted to vote.

Today is the deadline for postal voting. There is no way that everyone in Glasgow East is aware of that. If they find out tomorrow and want to apply for a postal vote because they are going to be away on polling day that's just tough - they have lost their vote.

It's not an acceptable way to run a democracy.
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Miss H,

09/07/2008 15:07:22
179 True. However that does not mean that the SNP is like every other party. The aim of the SNP is independence for Scotland. That is clear aim, whether or not you agree with it, and is not comparable to the aim of any other political party - which is simply to get into power and stay in power.
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Observer from another dimension,

09/07/2008 15:16:30
#182 Miss H. I don't wish to be rude but if you think that single issue political parties are not prone to the same problems as other political parties, I've some shares in Northern Rock you might like to buy. As I said initial intentions don't matter- it is the exercising of power that corrupts not political intention. And that is why I don't believe in any form of political power, domination and hierachy.
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 15:27:57

#166, HEN BROON 5, quoting from The Sunday Times on
Labour's postal voting scam:

"Keith Wakefield, the leader of the Labour group on Leeds city council, told party canvassers to help voters, many of whom were elderly, to complete their postal ballots. Student activists, including an undercover reporter, were then told by another councillor to take away the postal voting forms, hide them as they left people’s homes and only post them later if they were for Labour."

Goooooooood Grieeeeeeeef!!!!!

I've generally taken all the "ZaNuLabour" gags on the boards as just that - gags. But after reading this and other postal voting scam stories......well.

I have no idea what the punishments for the various electoral crimes are - perhaps someone out there could help. What is quite clear, however, is that the police are entirely correct in looking into this debasement of our democracy.

Is it time to cancel all postal ballots and just assume that as, in proportion to their support, equal numbers from all sides of any political poll will be unavailable that they are not required? Also, does anyone have any follow up information about how the police investigation is going/has gone?

Finally, Scottish Toryboy at #176, re the removal of post #166; IF The Sunday Times story is wrong, then surely a rebuttal would be more apt that removing the post which COULD be construed as stifling free speech. Electoral fraud is a crime against the very foundations of democracy. If is found we should stamp it out and lock up those responsible from ANY party – NOT sweep it under the carpet.
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Yeah1,

09/07/2008 15:30:36
#181

"Not in Scotland. You may say that there have been by-elections in England - well I don't care what happens in England."

Since this is a Westminster by-election for the UK parliaments it is irrelevant whether it is taking place in Scotland or England.

There have been 4 Westminster parliament by-elections since 2005 (including this one) that have taken place in July, so Brian Hill's statement that elections 'virtually never' take place in July is completely incorrect.

"The fact is there was no need whatsoever to have this by-election this quickly and it will disenfranchise large numbers of people who might have wanted to vote."

You are right, the by-election could have taken place in October, but then I'm sure the SNP and SNP supporters such as yourself would have then have been complaining about the Glasgow East constituents being unrepresented for so long and not having anyone to look after their interests in parliament for 3 months etc etc.
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 15:41:25
180 Saruman#

Perhaps if Mugabe had done so he would have found out that murdering individuals is illegal.

As for Salmond taking legal advice would you prefer that he follows another party's habits of making rules and illegally breaking them?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 15:50:13
If Yeah 1 lives in Scotland he should know that July is the main school holiday month in Scotland whereas August is the English school holiday period.
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Yeah1,

09/07/2008 15:54:43
#187

"If Yeah 1 lives in Scotland he should know that July is the main school holiday month in Scotland whereas August is the English school holiday period."

Yes I know that, whats your point?

As you will see in my above post I was correcting another poster who stated that elections are virtually never held in July, which clearly is wrong.

I'm not saying this election should have been held at this time, I'm merely pointing out that the poster was wrong to say elections are 'virtually never' held in July.
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 09/07/2008 15:59:47
It was logical that the SNP candidate should point out the inconsistency of Labours postion.It was certainly not a mistake.Alec Salmond made his postion very clear before the Scottish elections last May.Thus far he has done everything that he said that he would do.

Bu contrast Margaret Curran has not made her position clear.If she does win the Glasgow East by election,the voters do not know whether she will give up her Hollyrood seat,or stand down from the Westminster seat at the next general election.Thus the voters do not know how long she intends to hang around.

I do not have a problem with dual mandates,that is not the issue.In Alec Salmonds case,he is an excellent constituency representative and the voters of Banff and Buchan and Gordon benefit from having him.My problem with Margaret Curren and Labour is that,unlike Salmond,they have not been open about her intentions.Since they have no removed criticism of Alec Salmonds dual mandate from their website,their behavour seems somewhat inconsistent.This makes it difficult to trust them.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 16:05:29
Scottish Tory Troll, well done this is a public forum but you don't like the truth so you shoot the messenger. You had my valid post at 166 removed.



It does not change the fact that electoral fraud by the Labour party is endemic. As I have shown by the linked articles. Look at the scandal that was the last election in Scotland. It should have been re run but they were to scared.



Please tell me why my comparison between the Labour party with their fraud corruption nepotism and downright breathtaking contempt and arrogance for working people, and Zanu PF, is any worse that the many posters on here who try and make spurious connection between the SNP and Nazism, HAVE YOU OBJECTED TO THEM.


The simple fact is Labour are prepared to use every dirty illegal trick they think they will get away with as they know this by election is the big teat that they have been dreading.

I REST MY CASE



ALBA GU BRATH.
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Ronaldinho Glavin,

09/07/2008 16:06:53
Both the Labour and SNP are equally capable of using religion. In fact a large degree of distrust of the SNP in Glasgow has been their use in the past of the Orange vote to attack Labour. Let's see who is the first candidate to name their school on the election leaflet.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 16:06:53
teat = test. Typo.


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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 16:10:02
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Suomi,
Salo,Finland 09/07/2008 15:59:47




Well said Sir. Is it not ironic and symptomatic of Labour that Curran should kick of her campaign with a big fat lie about where she has lived.

These people live in a bubble detached from reality, they think that lying is normal as they all do it, and she just proved it, she is a total fraud.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 16:14:58
#184.

"Finally, Scottish Toryboy at #176, re the removal of post #166; IF The Sunday Times story is wrong, then surely a rebuttal would be more apt that removing the post which COULD be construed as stifling free speech. Electoral fraud is a crime against the very foundations of democracy. If is found we should stamp it out and lock up those responsible from ANY party – NOT sweep it under the carpet."




That is precisely what the English owned media in this country do. There are 11 Labour councillors under investigation at the moment in Glasgow over the Paddys Market fraud scandal.

Is it in the Scottish press?

Is it on BBC or STV?

If it were SNP councillors it would be up in 1" banner headlines and on every news bulletin.
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Saruman,

09/07/2008 16:15:40
#186 brownlie: Alex’s legal advice was that constitutional affairs are not within the remit of the SP, but he could hold a consultative referendum if he used certain wording (which just confuses the public at large, judging by the high approval rating for the question in opinion polls). In my opinion, it’s best left to Westminster to pose the question if they so wish, if the result of the SP’s required wording simply sows confusion.

Sorry if I seemed to take the Mugabe comparison too far.
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Scottish 'N British,

09/07/2008 16:17:13
Sense a real stench of SNP panic here - I blame the bookies

Quick rundown. Rantings

1. about the date of the by-election
2. about the postal ballot
3. about age, looks, dress sense, residency, ability, sincerity, etc, etc, of Scottish Labour Candidate
4. of the need to portay SNP as honest party
5. of the need to link Scottish Labour with Mugabe's murderous Zanu-PF
6. of the need to portray Scottish Labour as corrupt

I must have missed something.....

Day 3 of the campaign and already heaps of evidence of negative campaigning from supporters of the SNP (Scottish Nasty Party).

How things change in 14 months, huh?

Up against Scottish Labour's 5th choice (Alex Salmond), it should be a dawdle for Mason..........should it not?
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Yeah1,

09/07/2008 16:17:19
#190 Hen Broon:

Why do you use the word 'Alba' for Scotland? and say 'Alba Gu Brath' at the end of each of your posts?

Considering only 1.1% of the Scottish population speak gaelic, the remaining 98.9% will have no idea what you are saying.

Are you a gaelic speaker?

Maybe you have a view on the BBC wasting £10.7m a year on a gaelic tv channel for a tiny percentage of the Scottish population when they could be spending that money on a bid for the Scottish football teams qualifiying matches.

If you want to appeal to the average Scot you should tone down the 'gaelicness' of your posts and try to speak in a language that is relevant to the 21st Century and not a dying language that no one cares about.
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Scottish 'N British,

09/07/2008 16:20:43
Religion - I forgot religion.
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Scottish Toryboy,

09/07/2008 16:20:47
#190 Hen Broon: it’s not that I don’t like the truth, it’s that I don’t like you (and I wouldn’t say that about many other Nats!) I have again reported your slurs against the democratic political institution that is the Labour Party. Your rantings are the product of nationalism at its very worse.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 16:31:57
What really rattles Labour is that in all the time they were in power they took their electorate for granted and pawned them off with a poor service. Now that there is a new kid on the block, the SNP, folk have something to compare Labour to for the first time.

Take the NHS. For years Labour rallied their supporters on the basis that the NHS was safe in their hands and no one elses. What was the reality -

A few years back Patricia Hewitt, the then health secretary at Westminster, was booed and jeered by the nurses.

oday, we have Nicola Sturgeon given a standing ovation by the doctors at their BMA (trade union) conference). Most were doctors from England where they see Labour privatising health and could compare with Scotland where the SNP are preventing privatisation and abiding by the ethos that founded the NHS 60 years ago.

That is why Labour are annoyed. The SNP have not only stolen their mantle but are wearing it better than Labour has done in the last 20 years.

Oh and of course the A & E at Monklands was kept open when Labour wanted to close it. Prescription charges reduced and eventually to be abolished. Labour wanted to keep increasing this Sicknes Tax.

This story about 2 jobs or 4 jobs is a handy diversion for Labour, because the truth is that they cannot run on their record because it bears no comparison with what the SNP has done in just a year.
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 16:32:31
This article is the lowest and most desperate piece of pro labour journalism I have read in a long time. No wonder you readers are deserting you with journalists like Maddox on your payroll.
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Scottish 'N British,

09/07/2008 16:51:51
202

Thanks for that.

No wonder Wee Eck is/was confident.

But if the SNP fail to beat the SEVENTH choice from Scottish Labour, well.......

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Scottish 'N British,

09/07/2008 16:52:13
202

Thanks for that.

Now I understand why Wee Eck is/was so confident.

But if the SNP fail to beat the SEVENTH choice from Scottish Labour, well.......

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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

09/07/2008 17:04:25
205 - All your comment at 205 or rationale to your argument points to is your own Labour vote is taken for granted, in your own parties sneering and taken for granted fashion.


SHAME ON LABOUR!
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elizabeth the first,

09/07/2008 17:37:53
The Tory’s challenged Curran to give up her Holyrood seat immediately, but she would only say that she would stand down in the “short term”. The Tories then joined forces with Labour to accuse the Nationalists of hypocrisy on the issue, pointing out that Alex Salmond, the First Minister and SNP leader, was an MSP and MP. Talk about playing a blinder,they had it both ways and not everyone’s allowed to do that lol
It’s just a pity election’s not in one of the rich edinburgh seats,the Tory’s would walk it
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The Master,

09/07/2008 17:39:10
How about Alex “10 questions” Salmond then? Well done to Paxman on graphically exposing Dear Leader for what he is (and perhaps just in time to save Labour’s bacon in Glasgow East!) We now have a quick soundbite that hits home: the Nats are going to be hearing about Alex’s “Michael Howard moment” for some time to come and I definitely detect signs that their bubble is going to burst some time in the not too distant future.
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Stuntman Mike,

09/07/2008 17:41:01
#53 Edward writes: FACT 2 : Margaret Curran stood up on her box and clearly stated in front of TV cameras that ""I've worked in the east end all my life, and lived in the east end all my life." In fact she has lived in middle class areas of the south side for a number of years.

Me thinks he doth protest too much! Politicians in both the SP and Westminster are in receipt of a respectable income and by and large had well paid jobs before taking up politics. QED they live in what you term “middle class” areas. I don’t see where you Nats are coming from here! Disingenuous or what?

I don’t know in depth biographical details of Margaret’s life, but neither do the vast majority on this forum: who’s to say that she doesn’t have strong connections to the east end, whether through work or having lived there at some time in the past? Surely this was all she was hinting at: what she said was just an off the cuff figure of speech and the Nats are fighting dirty if all they can do is leap on something such as this.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:43:16
212. Mike

well said and spot on! Clearly when Margaret Curran proclaimed "I have lived in the East end all my life" she meant I have not lived in the East all my life, but have lived in a posh part of the south-side for 10 years.

These two things are almost identical in meaning and interpretation, and it is disingeneous to say otherwise.

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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:45:09
212. Or maybe she meant when she said "I have lived in the east end all my life" that she is now an undead nosferatu type creature who lives in the South side, but spent her actual human natural life until becoming undead living in the East end?

Either way her meaning was quite clear - the posh bit of the south-side she lives in is almost the same as the east end and people should stop splitting hairs.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:47:12
I myself have lived in the east end of Glasgow all my life, throught the medium of occassionally commuting there to shop from my comfortable home in Inerness.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:51:21
216. Well said Ciderman. Clearly a massive swing to the SNP in one of Labour's safest seats would be an indication of movement against the SNP in Labour's favour.

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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:52:01
217. She may have meant the east end of the south side. Kind of south-east side if you will.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:54:26
217. I myself spent some time in the east end of the west end, around Kelvinbridge and Woodlands. You can see how easily Ms Curran has been caught up in a simple case of geographical impermamence and the vagueries of knowing where one actually resides.
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ThomasP,

09/07/2008 17:55:20
211 The Master.

The only thing Paxman exsposed was how vunerable a minority can be when trying to acheive their manifesto promises.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:55:47
220. Now I am confused - will Ciderman's Torys romp home in the actual Glasgow East, or the part of Glasgow East that Margaret Curran lives in, which is to say, the Southside?
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 17:59:02
222. Rubbish - Paxman clearly made Salmond concede that the SNP will try to fulfill their manifesto.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:04:56
225. Ciderman

genius - his name is Mason, so he must be a Mason!!
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:06:44
225. Well said. The 14,000 post office job losses from Labour's closure programme, the sacking of 12,000 disable workers from Remploy by Labour, and the loss today of 4,000 building jobs due Labour's hadnling of the economy are inconsequential.

We in the Unionist campaign for Labour victory dismiss suggestions that Aberdeen council overspent by over £25 million over several years.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:09:40
228. Agreed, anything to divert from allegations that Margaret Curran is member of Friends of Israel.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:12:07
228. PS, I am stil confused - when you this will not go down well in the East End of Glasgow, do you mean the Labour definition of the East End (i.e Queens Park and Newton Mearns) or the geographical definition?
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:16:02
231. Ciderma

I hope word does not leak out about the 1680 that Margaret Curran sacked.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:16:40
232. But Ciderman, I am a Unionist.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:20:52
235. Ciderman

Margaret Curran sacked 22,000 thousand people when in government.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:21:34
235. But none of the people Margaret Curran sacked were freemasons. Is she one? We should be told!
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Publius,

London 09/07/2008 18:28:15
#181 Miss H

Are you saying you would prefer the by-election wasn't held for several months, thereby leaving the people of Glasgow East without representation in Parliament?
My guess is that you would be the first to whinge if the by-election was held over until autumn.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:30:02
238. Well said Ciderman, the SNP governments control of UK macroeconomic policy, the SNP decision to invest £110 billion in Northern Rock, and the SNP's insistence that no benefit should accrue to Scotland from the extra £6 billion in oil revenues all prove your point.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:31:45
240. If oculd re-close post offices already closed by Labour, re-sack disabled workers already sacked by Labour, probably quite alot I would imagine.

I have heard that none of the post offices closed by Labour were run by Freemasons? WHy is this? We should be told!
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George Mackay,

Dundee 09/07/2008 18:36:01
John Mason must be related to my late pal Douglas Mason. Douglas was a Tory councillor in Glenrothes and he invented the poll tax.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 18:38:00
Ciderman

Regarding house prices, Scottish prices are still rising slightly, while prices are plummeting faster than Comrade Broon's credibility.

These price differences are due entirely to Alex Salmond expert leadership and Comrade Broon's utter incompetence. Experts are agreed on this.

On another subject, I'm sure the electorate of Glasgow East South East will be rejoicing at the thought of Red Wendy arriving to help her close pal Leaky Maggie
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 18:40:08
I missed the in England bit!!
Scottish prices are still rising slightly, while prices in England are plummeting faster than Comrade Broon's credibility.
Must be too excited!!
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:41:40
245. I, along with Ciderman, and the rest of the unnionst campaign for Labour victory, can confirm our almost incontinent exitement at the prosepct of Red Wendy stomping round the East end of Glasgow (wherever that is, I have seen no one campaigning yet in Queens Park or Newton Mearns in the bits of the Easr end where Margaret Curran lives).

And when the Red Baron Foulkes joins the fray, we expect many a passer by to be knocked out by Labour's campaign!
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:43:08
246. Ciderman

as a fellow Unionist, I must ask you to desist from racist, sexist and homophobic comments of the type you have been posting here. We must maximise our vote, not turn off potential voters.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 18:43:48
Ciderman

Panic not about job losses.

According to BBC Scotland there are 5 vacancies in the catering/hospitality and agriculture industries for every applicant!!!


Seems all the Eastern Europeans are bug6ering off back home due to Comrade Broon's mishandling of the economy.

This is a well known fact!!
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:45:39
250. But how Eastern European were they? I heard alot of them that claimed they had lived in Eastern Europe all their lives were actually from the Isle of Man.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:53:14
252. Not forgetting the Tory candidate in 1876 who was denounced by the SNP as a leprachaun, and the Whig in 1843 denounced by the SNP as a witch.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 18:55:56
"Leaky"???

I was talking about her leaking of info about Red Wendy accepting illegal bribes from Jersey/Mull businessmen not her incontinence(alleged!).

What are you gibbering about semitism or antisemitism??
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 18:58:19
256, I fear Cider has yet again confused the adjective relating to jewsish people and the technical term for ejaculate.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 19:02:34
Union is Best,

I fear old ciderman is heading for a nervous breakdown.

As someone who lives in Glasgow Weast/Sorth, the thought of Comrade Lard Foolkes knocking him up, has tipped him over the edge.

Have pity!
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:07:47
255. Oh yes Ciderman.

I only wish the SNP would get on board with our unionist Labour initiatives for harmonious intercultural relations, such as invading Muslim countries, locking people up for 42 days without trial, rendition and torture of Muslims, Abu Graib as a PR exercise for racial tolerance and detention of the children of refugees at Dungavel.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:12:11
260. I have asked a leading surrealist to examine this post and attempt to ascertain its meaning.

In the meantime, I regret and deplore your description of convicted old lady and police basher, the Red Baron Foulkes, as Ayrhire's shame.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 19:13:08
Unfortunately I don't live in Glasgow Weast/Sorth.

I live in the Nouth of Scotland!

Can you explain the semitic bits in your postings- I'm baffled!!
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:13:18
263. Pollock, well known part of the East end of Glasgow, as all of us who have lived in the East end all our lives know.

Yours, Inverness
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:13:26
Clearly Curran is damaged goods - but who else was up for the humiliation?
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:15:38
Ciderman

I note your post at 166 which contained very racist and homophobic remarks has been removed. Good thing for our shared cause.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 19:19:26
197 Yeah1,09/07/2008 16:17:19

#190 Hen Broon:



"If you want to appeal to the average Scot you should tone down the 'gaelicness' of your posts and try to speak in a language that is relevant to the 21st Century and not a dying language that no one cares about."











You would love that to be true Mr Troll, I post on here not with the object of appealing to anyone, simply because I can, this is a public forum and I voice my opinion. Unlike you I am not arrogant enough to think I will appeal to anyone I care not a jot. However my post obviously gets up your cringing supine unionist snout so that will do for me. Do not presume to tell me what to post or in what language.








ALBA GU BRATH THIG AR LATHA FIEN-RIAGHLADH
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09/07/2008 19:20:13
269. Well said, given there were not thousands of absconding prisoners in the 90s.

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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:27:24
272. Ciderman

well said, and I am just relieved other posters did not see your racist and anti-gay post at 166.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:28:23
272. PS, Ciderman, word from the wise - saying that you "keep records, downloads the pages, and cross reference your posts etc" may make you look even weirder, geekier and sad in the eyes of other readers.

Please do try to project unionist confidence and elan!
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:28:35
Posted by: Duns Scotus on the Herald, Berwick on 7:12pm today

From The Times 4th July, 2008
Is your MP on the roll of shame?

The vast majority of MPs - 146 of the 172 - who voted to keep the second home allowance, which allows MPs to buy items on the "John Lewis list", were Labour, including 33 ministers. The list of Scottish MPs (all Labour) is:

Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South)
Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill)
Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East)
Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West)
Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central)
David Hamilton (Midlothian)
Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East)
Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow)
Eric Joyce (Falkirk)
Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West)
James McGovern (Dundee West)
Anne McGuire (Stirling)
Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East)
Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock)
John Robertson (Glasgow North West)
Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North)
Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)

Note their choice of John Lewis rather than IKEA or Paddy's Market.

BTW Sandra Osborne is married to a minister of religion - another who says blessed are the poor so long as I'm not one of them.
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ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 19:30:04
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Scottish Toryboy,
09/07/2008 16:20:47
#190 "Hen Broon: it’s not that I don’t like the truth, it’s that I don’t like you (and I wouldn’t say that about many other Nats!) I have again reported your slurs against the democratic political institution that is the Labour Party. Your rantings are the product of nationalism at its very worse."

Ooooh noooooo, you have reported me again, whit am ah gonnae dae.

Right little sneek aren't you Toryboy, typical of the breed.

"Nationalism at it's very worst." A wee bit over the top Toryboy even for a sneek, methinks you doth protest a wee bit much.


I would not waste the enrgy disliking anyone who posts on a forum, but hey what ever rocks your boat.

How about doing something constructive and debate on here the alledged slurs against, (I cannot bring my self to use the words you did to describe the rotten festering mess that is Labour.)

So come on Toryboy lets see what you are made of, point by point rebutt my alledged slurs or shut up.

Strange that a Scottish Toryboy should seek to defend the rotting carcass of Labour.

Still the Tories area bit like rocking horses excrement in Scotland so I suppose you have to get into bed with any old slapper.

Lets see what you have learned in the Trolls r Us gang hut.

Another day another moniker.


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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:30:53
277, Surely these 33 Scottish Labour MPs were upholding some high minded principle when voting to keep their second homes allowance?
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:32:19
278. I hope Scottish Tory boy does not notice the election fraud last year committed by Labour activists which a judge described as being "disgraceful for even a banana republic"

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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 19:33:16
Ahh the Mutton Molester troll is into bat. There is no end to the machinations of the Trolls r Us AM machine, you cannot hide you know, your reek is like that of North end of a South bound skunk.


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Nikostratos,

09/07/2008 19:33:56
#279 Union is Best

Of course they were trying to keep their family in a decent standard of living...
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:36:11
283. Do they all have two families then or what?
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Nikostratos,

09/07/2008 19:37:28
Oh do shut up whinging Nat Bias my 'rse anyway it is only round 1 round 2 tomorrow of a fifteen round contest.......lots or rounds to go before the final decision.
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Nikostratos,

09/07/2008 19:39:29
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No but they have a more refined cultured and expensive lifestyle than us low lifes....
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Truely English,

09/07/2008 19:41:13
It seems so pointless to put up any Gaelic on these threads as so few people can understand anything other than the English language. Even the Nationalists here can only speak English.

It is good to know that the Nationalists are keeping up the important work of ensuring the English language propers in Scotland. We are British not only in language bit culture as well.
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 19:42:13
272 Ciderman

I liked him when he danced with Ginger Rogers. A bit light on his feet - like yourself I suspect.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:44:06
288. Ciderman

we all know you faked that post from Hen Broon, and that you posted racist and anti-gay material at 166.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 19:45:08
Watching the 6 o'clock news on STV was a revelation indeed.

They did a wee smeary wee slimy thing about Councilor Moffat who stated that in his personal view there ought to be mandatory sentences and no early release scheme.

A perfectly honorable position to take as he said clearly it was his personal view.

But according to the English owned and controlled STV, it is a disaster for the SNP as he is at odds with his party. (Ring any bells.)

He has just shown he has the courage of his convictions, nothing more.

Did STV mention that Curran had lied on camera on the same programme last night? Nope.

Did STV mention that, http://tinyurl.com/6nydg7
Eleven Glasgow Labour Councillors are Under Investigation for the Paddys Market scam. Nope.

Did STV mention that Labour are up to their armpits in sleaze and scam. Nope.

And then I flicked over to BBC Scotland who managed to get on air at 6.30pm with Reporting Scotland and not a mention of by election, nothing nada zilch.

Do you think the recent warning from Labour has frightened the news room, looks like it.

Where are you sneek I need reporting again.

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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:46:13
279Union is Best, 09/07/2008 19:30:53 wrote:

"277, Surely these 33 Scottish Labour MPs were upholding some high minded principle when voting to keep their second homes allowance?"

Yes of course - they were doing their bit to redress the slump in the housing market.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:47:29
292. Thought so. And the Scottish Labour MPs who voted to keep the John Lewis list were probably just doing their bit to keep consumer spending and retail sales up.
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:49:26
Who is this racist, homophobic, ant-semite, islamophobic little ciderman?
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:51:10
293 - Absolutely. The labour party will always go the extra mile to help business.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:51:50
295. Ciderman

you are becoming agitated and incoherent. You know that your racist and anti-semetic posts become more prolific when this happens (we all read and were disgusted by your post 166) so do please try to calm down a little.

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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:53:58
298. Oh dear, hysterical melt down of Cider seems immenent
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:54:41
294. He is one of our top Campaign for Labour Unionist Victory operatives.
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Oban 09/07/2008 19:55:06
Is it true that Mason is likely to resign as candidate by the weekend, and Duncan Hamilton (former MSP and Special Adviser to the FM) is to be drafted in; I understand that the SNP have polling showing they can win the seat, and want to draft Hamilton in.
Don't know if anyone else has heard this...
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:56:24
300. Ciderman

do try to calm down. You are appearing to other readers to be playing out some sordid inner collapse of your delapidated faculties and becoming angry and incoherent.

I think we have spread enough cover for the homophobic, racist, anti-semetic remarks you posted earlier, so I suggest you back to the Fred Astaire/ Ginger Rogers stuff you were posting before.
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:57:23
301Union is Best, 09/07/2008 19:54:41 wrote:

"294. He is one of our top Campaign for Labour Unionist Victory operatives."

He may be representative but was that a wise choice?
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:57:41
302. Yes, I heard that also, it was point number 3 on our Labour campaign for unionist Victory briefing sheet of silly and fantastic things to post about today.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 19:58:16
304. Well, our first 6 choices had to step down for "family" reasons and "illness".
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 19:58:53
303 - Good advice.
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 20:01:31
307 - Yes - I understand. But you should really stop recruiting at Carstairs. It brings politics in general into disrepute.
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 20:03:14
309 - I think this one has already expired.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 20:05:11
310. Agreed, but imagine our difficulty in recruiting! When Labour have to scrape up their 6th choice as candidate, how you think we manage paying only £0.89 per hour and working out of a portacabin in Luton? We are lucky to have Ciderman.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 09/07/2008 20:06:02
#245 Anyone who refers to Gordon Brown as Comrade Broon must be to the Right of Genghis Khan. Brown is as much a Tory as Cameron.
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 20:07:16
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Sorry I missed the briefing this morning. I was sent to seek out an alchemist to advise the party on making silk purses - don't ask, I don't know either.
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An Beal Bacht,

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Truely English,

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As long as you write in English you will naturally be understood.
You go for it and the best of British all the way.
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09/07/2008 20:12:39
I do hope people do not all report Ciderman's posts for being abusive.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 20:13:13
Cidermuttonmolester on a night oot in Forres.

http://tinyurl.com/5cvpru
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Since, it is clear your culture and language is the English language and culture, how could I possibly be denigrating you.
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322 - LoL
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Union is Best,

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319. Worry not, Ciderman undergoes spasmodic schizoid episodes....apart from the attendant loss of continence, we find that his output and content is at its best during such periods, and have thus lowered his dosage.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 20:19:43
331 - re 332, see what I mean? And we only pay him 89p an hour. Bargain.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 09/07/2008 20:19:50
Came on here as I thought the chidren would all be in bed by this time.......how wrong can one be.

The SNP cannot, will not, win Glasgow east. The Labour lemmings will crawl out and run to the polling stations. Lets face it Labour could put up a right ninny and win this seat. At least Curran has started out as no doubt she will continue, several blatent lies.

Oh and yes the Scotsman is having a go at being bias towards Labour thats why I purchased my last copy today.
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 20:21:29
320 Truely English

How wrong you are when you say "as long as you write in English you will naturally be understood". Take the head-line "Round one for Labour" - a friend of mine called Jackie thought the first two words referred to her and was not best pleased - that illustrates the ambiguity of the English language.

Do you go along with the theory that if you are addressing foreigners in English if you shout really loudly and agressively they will understand what you are saying?
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 20:22:08
In the Trolls r Us gang hut one of AMs nightshift makes ready, please sit down before looking at this as it is quite shocking.
http://tinyurl.com/553jp9



LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

ALBA GU BRATH.

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09/07/2008 20:22:45
335. LOL. I had the same irate call from her this morning about it.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 20:25:23
336. You may laugh, but is us here in the cyber division of the campaign for unionist Labour victory who have to deal with Ciderman's frequent loss of continence. We are considering removing the re-fried beans from his rations.
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09/07/2008 20:27:49
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We read here so often that Scottish people have a strong Scottish culture. If this is the case why do they sing O Flower of Scotland in English?

Scotland The Brave, another Scottish National Anthem is played at football matches; again this is sung in English.

It does surprise me to read here that the English have no culture yet it is the Scots who are singing in English which is our language.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 20:29:30
http://tinyurl.com/65ct59
lest we forget.

ALBA GU BRATH.
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 20:30:23
Ciderman

Who is this J Adair??

Is he a New Labour Sleaze donor/briber??

Is he related to Red Adair, the famous firefighter??

Did he put out a fire started by an infamous Lord ******, in a hotel??

The details escape me but I'm sure someone will remind me.

Keep up you lurid posts though cider. Best part of the day!
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 20:33:28
#338. Perhaps you should try removing his head from between his buttocks.


http://tinyurl.com/2pr8u


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!



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Eve,

Scotland 09/07/2008 20:35:46
#12 Colkitto: Absoultely Nothing!!

Labour good no matter what they do!!!

SNP bad No mater what they do!!

It's the way the media works!
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09/07/2008 20:35:46
It seems McMadman obviously agrees with what I write. Good on you mate. Always knew you what wasbest for the Scots.
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Scotland Bonnie Scotland 09/07/2008 20:39:16
#320 Truely English: Wat ye on?
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09/07/2008 20:41:41
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Sorry, McMad, I like Truely English. Where would life be without the nutters? I console myself with that thought.
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 20:42:37
Uilebheist

A leth-cheud bliadhna na ràithe sa
sheòl am Metagama,
shnàmh i air falbh bhuainn
'na bèist-mhara
a shluig ar gaisge 's ar n-òige.
Thog I cùrsa air nach ruigeadh fradharc,
gu grunnd air nach deargadh caoineadh.
On latha sin tha i daonnan
Slaodaidh a' ghrian reothart
'nar bruadair,
ag eirigh air uachdar ann le uinneagan dealrach:
sgeadaicht an òran 's an uirsgeul,
duais na bochdainn
'na bun-dhealbh an lìon ar n-eachdraidh

Tha sinn ga sìr-iarraidh
mar uchair
a bheireadh fuasgladh do ar staid,
a bheireadh buaidh air sileadh ar brìgh,
ar dìmeas 's ar mealladh oirnn fhìn
ar dòchas
air a' bhànaidh a' rannsachadh gach geodh'
eadar seo is Nineveh,
a' sìr-cheangal ri cladaichean ciana.

Chunnacas i am bliadhna rithist.
Tha na sanasan crochaicht ris na h-uinneagan.
Tha sgiobaidhean sianta gam fasdadh.
Is tha Ahab
ga bheartachadh fhèin chun an t-seilg.

Domhnall MacAmhlaigh
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09/07/2008 20:43:15
354. More monkey than spunky
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brownlie,

09/07/2008 20:44:03
Spook

I forgot to tell you that on my way to the Hibs game on Sunday I saw Brad Pitt standing outside the Persevere. He was wearing a Waitrose bag over his head and was walking in a funny way because I understand he burnt his bot in Majorca.
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Eve,

Scotland fight on for glory Scotland we'll sing ye 09/07/2008 20:44:37
#352 McMadman: Thats way tae much reading for me!
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09/07/2008 20:46:00
355 Am beal bacht

Tapa leat agus feasgar math.
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#355 An Beal Bacht: Intersting!
If only I could read!
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 20:51:36
One thing I haven't seen yet, but I'm sure I will, is the hordes of poor and deprived of Glasgow East/South/ South East standing around the constituency draped in Union flags to show the SNP that they are true loyalists to the Crown and Kingdom.

Will Comrades Reid & Curran lead the chorus of God Save the Queen followed by a rendition of Rule Britannia???
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Eve,

Scotland fight on for glory Scotland we'll sing ye 09/07/2008 20:54:31
#364 Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say: Whats with the shouting on the link. V.difficult to read!!!
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Scotland fight on for glory Scotland we'll sing ye 09/07/2008 20:56:38
#365 Jimmy the Pie: I hope so. I've bought a pair of ear plugs of that very occasion. It would be a shame NOT to use them.
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Eve,

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All read done it!!!

Massive majourity in favour!

oddly gives you the opertunity to change yer vote!
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Eve,

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Night night am a wa.

Got work the morrow and need to do some prep.

Sweet dreams of Scottish Independence to everyone.
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Andrew BOD,

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377 Cider

What is an English handout?

One that comes via the North Sea?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 21:34:50
Cider and Fordy

Advocate nothing. Criticise everything.

What a sad existence.
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Hamish Scott,

09/07/2008 21:36:56
Does the Scotsman realise every article like this is another nail in its own coffin? Is there anyone of influence at this paper that favours professional, balanced journalism over propaganda? Do you, Mr. Maddox, and your colleagues feel any shame at this level of journalism? Is it just 'take the money' or do you have any sense of responsibility to your own professional integrity and standards or the quality of the media in Scotland and its vital role in a fully functioning democracy?
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Truely English,

09/07/2008 21:47:16
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I was told that it was Scottish people in 1872 who did this to Gaelic speakers under a Scottish Education Act so as to make sure that all children in Scotland got the best opportunities during the Empire. Why blame the English for something the Scots were more than pleased to do? This included Scottish teachers at every level. Once again you blame the English for things the Scots did themselves.

The same situation occured in Wales under a Welsh Act in 1870 by Welsh people and carried out by Welsh teachers for the good of the children as they saw it.

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Truely English,

09/07/2008 21:52:45
The Scots love to use the English as a scape-goat for the rotten things they did themselves. Why?

There is no question about it, the English as not without a black mark. But let the truth shine through and stop blaming the English when in fact, it was the Scots who did the bad deeds themselves.
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Matt there,

somewhere 09/07/2008 21:55:51
Poor David Maddox! He is like a fish that can't tell the difference between a real fly and an angler's fake.

He thought he saw a real story flying above him. He snapped it up - only to find himself caught on a line fed to him by Labour spinners!

How sad.
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Truely English,

09/07/2008 21:56:39
Is the treatment of the Gaelic-speakers the reason why so many Nationalists seem to disown the Gaelic language rather than the English language in Scotland.

McMadman is a good example.
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Don't encourage him. He has a one-track racial mind.
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Matt there,

somewhere 09/07/2008 22:00:28
#375 and the Lairds who threw their countrymen and women off their land, sometimes exiling them to foreign shores were... Oh! They weren't English, were they?
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Truely English,

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I am told that most of the Lairds/Landlords were Scots who threw the Highlanders of their land.
According to my Inverness friend Lady Cathcart did so in the Western Isles and she was from Glasgow.
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Andrew BOD,

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392 Ciderman

That's not what I asked. I'll ask again...

In relation to your post at 377, what is an English handout?

I didn't mention independence, but I did ask if the handout was to come via the North Sea (extra £7 billion tax revenue this year?)

And anyway, don't you mean a UK handout? Why would you say English? That would be a 'Truely' question.
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Hamish Scott,

09/07/2008 22:51:47
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If we did as you suggest we would have to buy every newspaper in Scotland! I suspect we would then be accused of being up to something very sinister!
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Truely English,

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So sad that McMadman really has lost both the argument and control when all he can spout out is pathetic filth.

So this is how Nationalists behave when they have no answers or arguments to fight back with. Problematic situation for them is it not.
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Hamish Scott,

09/07/2008 22:56:17
Truely - The Scottish and Welsh Education Acts you refer to were passed at Westminster. Since 1707, Scotland only assumed legislative responsibility for education/language in 1999. Since then the Scottish Parliament has passed a Gaelic language bill promoting the language and promotes the language in other ways including in the Parliament itself. The National Assembly for Wales has also promoted the Welsh language. You are right, however, in that the decline of Gaelic and Scots between 1707 and 1999 was in considerable part self-inflicted.
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Andrew BOD,

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410 Ciderman

I take it you really can't answer my questions then, preferring partisan exchanges with McMadman.

And, do you really live in Moray? Aberdeenshire Council is your neighbouring council, but there are no proposed job losses there. You might be confused with Aberdeen City Council where council leaders have been told by leading unionist and nationalist advisors that they need to shed some jobs to meet their budgetry targets.

You really do make wild, unfounded accusations without doing your homework.


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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/07/2008 23:09:55
"Round one to Labour as SNP accused of hypocrisy over 'two jobs' jibe"

Wishful thinking Mr Maddox!!
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ThomasP,

09/07/2008 23:47:38
419 Ciderman 542000.

The only reason Aberdeen is under going cuts is because of the last administration.
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Andrew BOD,

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Again, I'm afraid your grasp of the truth is left wanting.

If you'd kept up with Audit Scotland's report on the council, you'd know that your Unionist friends - both Labour & Tory - played a big part in the current financial position. The existing council were left with no alternative than to make those cuts to balance the books, however unpopular they may be.

And what questions?? Where are they?? Have you gone crazy??

Better clear your head by getting some sleep Cider. Night, night.
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Iainbroch,

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I doubt if he lives in Moray.It is clear that he does not know that councils have statutory i.e legal obligations to balance budgets. The fact that several Scottish councils inherited huge deficits in 2007 is something that escaped his small mind.The Aberdeen councils 1999 - 2007 were Tory, Lab, Lid Dem and variations of!
Several Scottish councils where there had been no Nats anywhwere near the books had massive debts and the councils prior to May 2007 had not fulfilled thier legal obligations.
Ofcourse if he wishes to live in a country where the rule of Law means nothing and anarchy rules - may I suggest Mugabeville to him - he might feel more at home whingeing there than in Moray?
He is irrelevant - homework would only fry his brain?
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Katty,

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Has anyone noticed no political programn ever quotes The Scotsman newspaper any more.

They are clearly a joke throughout Scotland and treated as such, rightly so.

FOLD
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baffies away,

10/07/2008 01:21:39
It doesnt really matter does it, its not like The Scotsman has high sales in Glasgow East so thankfully they cannot influence anything, in fact these days is not as if the Scotsman has high sales anywhere, but they dont seem to care that they are losing readers. They are relying on online advertizing revenue by putting provocative slanted stories out in order that they can go to online advertizers and say look at how many comments we get. This paper stopped being a newspaper a fair few years ago now....
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Iainbroch,

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The Scotsman does not have high sales anywhere now? Also the advertising industry is about to go through some purgatory? What a shame not?
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Arrow,

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sorry about the lat comment but is it not the case that SNP are ahead on points after Mrs Curran admitted she had been inaccurate about her "always lived in the East End". perhpas she is a bit like Hilarity Clinton and her run under sniper fire - she had "mis-spoken". then in the HoC yesterday one of the Labour MP accused Alex Salmond having two jobs and was this not very bad. she clearly forgot the Mrs Curran would be in the same position if she were to be elected. perhaps that MP knows more than we do?
the comment about SNP and crime appears to forget that the Lib/Labs were in power for years but what did they do? not a lot. a vote for Curran (lab) simply means that another piece of Scottish lobby fodder is sent to Westminster.
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elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 19:07:38
It is time we saw our beautiful country through clear eyes and not through the mists of Brigadoon.

"Scotland will thrive as part of the United Kingdom. With our parliament in Holyrood we will control our own domestic destiny and flourish alongside our friends and family in England.

"But separate and alone our economy would wither as businesses flee down south and the parochial prejudices of the Braveheart brigade would eventually crush our famous spirit.
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Jings Crivens,

11/07/2008 08:58:09
Its not 2 jobs Salmond but FOUR JOBS for Cavalier Salmond after all he is

First Minister
MP
MSP
Leader of the SNP

He also wants to be an actor and be on Taggart.

As he is against th eunion as a point of principle he must resign as an MP now otherwise he is a Hypocrite

429 - Spot on
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getinnnn,

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"Round one to Labour"...
Round one to Labour egh?...Helloooo;....You at the Scotsman?...I am not a news reporter;but even I know that there were 3 k.os in at least three Previous rounds against the Labour Party.
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getinnnn,

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Never mind:The Scotsman is going and throwing a bucket of water on the face of the canvassed Labour party and encouraging it to get up again...and again....and again.....
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getinnnn,

11/07/2008 17:57:39
#432 Jings Crivens;
Yes; the First Minister is leader of the SNP who is the Leading Party and not say...Swinney...

429 - BS
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getinnnn,

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#429 elizabeth the first;

It is time we saw our beautiful country through clear eyes and not through the mists of Britishness.

"Scotland will thrive as part of the World. With our parliament in Holyrood we will control our own destiny and flourish alongside our friends and family in the World.

"But separate and hidden in the World our Nation would continue to wither into oblivion as the Unionist prejudices of the Redcoat brigade would eventually crush our famous spirit(You're damn wrong there)"

...and the Nation SCOTLAND is not a "Parochial" piece of the U.K thank You very much!...even though that is how it is treated...
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Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 14/07/2008 19:53:05
Through some sense of misguided loyalty I have been buying the Scotsman hoping it will report things in an unbiased non partisan way.

There is no doubt it is following an anti SNP agenda and actually favouring the Labour party. It beggars belief after all that has happened recently.

The Herald is only marginally better, but it looks like I am going to be forced getting the Times.

I can hardly believe myself.

 

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