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Ross Lydall's by-election blog



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Wednesday, 10.20am
AT last, a decent debate. Well done, Radio Scotland. Its Good Morning Extra programme has just broadcast an hour-long programme that allowed the Glasgow East candidates the opportunity to make their points well, and to conjour up a few decent soundbi
tes as the campaign enters its final hours.

Many of the arguments had been made before. But the news story was surely the refusal of Margaret Curran, the Labour candidate, to promise to live in the constituency if she wins on Thursday.

She was pushed on this point by a caller to the show. Instead of giving an unambiguous pledge to up sticks and relocate in the East End, she performed a mighty swerve and offered only an admission that she had made a "slip of the tongue" in previously claiming to have lived and worked in the East End all her life.

As her opponents were quick to point out, the reality is that she has lived in at least three different addresses in the more affluent south-side of Glasgow for around 20 years.

Must an MP live in the constituency? No. So why is this an issue? For two reasons. As the First Minister, Alex Salmond, said yesterday, it's an issue because Ms Curran had "told fibs" about her home address.

The second reason is that Ms Curran has vowed to be a "fighter" for the East End. That's more easily done when you are witnessing its problems on a daily basis, not on a once-a-week trip to the community centre for a weekly surgery with constituents on a Friday.

To make matters worse for Labour, Ms Curran's SNP rival, John Mason, does live in the constituency. Predictably he reminded listeners of this fact.

Asked who he would vote for if he could not vote for himself, he said: "I live in this constituency. I'm voting for myself. I'm the candidate who lives here."

Aside from this, there were some good soundbites, the best of which was uttered by the Liberal Democrat candidate, Ian Robertson. He said: "If this is a two-horse race, then both horses should be put down and we should start again."

Tory Davena Rankin offered up this on the hardline independence stance of Mr Mason: "He is obsessed. I'm more interested in Glasgow East."

Ms Curran's best dig at Mr Mason related to him being constantly in the shadow of the First Minister. "Sometimes on this campaign I have felt I have been running against Alex Salmond," she said. She was less able, however, to answer the presenter's question about the whereabouts - ie absence - of Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Mr Mason, for his part, was still obsessed with the Prime Minister's decision to invite Baroness Thatcher to tea at 10 Downing Street last year. He said that "Margaret Thatcher and Gordon Brown are hand in hand".

Later today we will hear the final thoughts of the First Minister on the campaign. Expect the wily old dog to feed the media pack another line. The contrast between the leaden Labour campaign and the battle-hardened SNP operations could not be starker.

The SNP may not win tomorrow's vote, but they've already achieved victory in the battle for the airwaves and front pages.

Tuesday 10.35pm

Car-crash TV. That's the best way to describe what I have just witnessed (and what is being broadcast by STV as I type).

Earlier this evening, STV pre-recorded its "Politics Now" Glasgow East by-election special. This featured the four candidates cross-questioning each other in the Pacific Quay studio, and the involvement of around 20 voters in a separate studio somewhere in the East End. Its sheer awfulness should make riveting telly. It certainly made BBC Newsnicht's efforts last week, which at the time were too bitty to result in a great story, seem highly professional.

Not to undermine the team at STV, you understand. They can only pick from the cards they have been dealt. But this was a poor level of political debate, featuring lots of sniping focusing mainly on broken promises from Holyrood. For a Westminster election, the responsibilities of the UK Goverment hardly got a look in.

And what of the candidates? The SNP's John Mason sounded good - his voice resonates well on TV - and made a decent stab of sticking to his guns. Labour's Margaret Curran, by contrast, was more shrill, and may be possibly be tiring from what has been a hectic pace of campaign.

She did, however, taunt Mr Mason for being forever unable to stand up to the SNP First Minister, Alex Salmond. (Asked to say what the pair disagreed on, Mr Mason could venture only their choice of football team.) Ian Robertson of the Liberal Democrats was neither good nor bad.

But for me the star of the show was Davena Rankin, the Tory candidate. She seems at last to have found her voice - and gave Mr Robertson dog's abuse after cleverly turning on its head his (too clever) question about Tory plans for a fuel regulator. Are you really suggesting that I should not back plans that would cut 5p off a litre of fuel, she asked incredulously? Smart move, Davena.

She went on to lambast him as a LibDem who "flips and flaps", which produced giggles from the hacks and spin doctors behind the scenes in the green room. Mr Mason also felt the sharp end of her tongue. Having marked her 4.5 out of 10 in today's Scotsman, I feel I owe Davina an extra point. Some voters may feel the same way too come Thursday.

But overall, despite much heat and a belief that this would be better suited to YouTube than network TV, there remains only a cigarette paper or two between the SNP and Labour when it comes down to the candidates.
Not that that will concern the voters unduly: I reckon they will be more focused on the cost of fuel, food and fags - and whether it's time to call time on Gordon Brown's New Labour project.

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1

Jimmy the Pie,

23/07/2008 00:33:25
Has New Labour Sleaze and Corruption's Red Wendy been out supporting her best pal, The Screaming Harridan???
Or is she too ashamed to show face after her criminal activities were revealed.

Speaking of criminal activities has Lord Watson of Bonfire been out on the streets???

Have the Sleaze party's criminals of the moment, Mr Marshall and his wife and daughter been out lending their support to the cause of self improvement and swindling??

Yes good socialists all of them!!!
2

Wilhelm ,

23/07/2008 00:35:25
Well its obvoius AM2 works as the moderator of the Scotsman.
He's on here 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
These forurms turn into the tiresome AM2 bufoon circus act.

YAWN. Zzzzz.
3

GM,

23/07/2008 00:36:53
Phew - post number 1 snuck in under AM2's radar -

I'm not that overzealous to suggest the SNP will win this seat - although my heart begs for it!

A labour win with a majority of no more than 1,000

This should be hugely damaging to Labour and such a swing should bring the hopes and fears of several labour MP's and MSP's into sharp relief...
4

GM,

23/07/2008 00:37:08
B u gger... too slow
5

GM,

23/07/2008 00:39:39
"The SNP's John Mason sounded good - his voice resonates well on TV - and made a decent stab of sticking to his guns. Labour's Margaret Curran, by contrast, was more shrill, and may be possibly be tiring from what has been a hectic pace of campaign."


When are labour going to learn that negative campaigning and sniping at opponents wins them every little respect and votes these days?

It seems that in the last 5 days, labours campaign has sharply focussed on attacking the SNP rather than promoting their own agenda for this constituency.
6

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 23/07/2008 00:42:02
I agree it made cringe worthy viewing. It seems that Westminster and what it deals with is now so overshadowed by what occurs at Holyrood that none of the candidates seem capable of either differentiating between what are devolved and reserved powers. Policing, housing, etc are devolved and should not even be discussed. This is not a Holyrood by-election. Treaury matters, Social security, defence and foreign policy are the matters that need concern these candidates since only on these matters will they have any say.
7

GM,

23/07/2008 00:42:17
@2

he quickly moderated one abusive post directed at him, but seems less inclined to deal with the c.1,000 posts made by Mr Banks...

Looks like he will have to wait until morning to get a real mod to get rid of Mr Bank's account.
(and he cant even blame the SNP for this!)
8

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 23/07/2008 00:46:04
The Aberdeen City Council thread was hijacked by AM2 and Free by 93 for an attack on Swinney and finally destroyed by multiple obscene postings. Yet the Scotsman seems incapable of putting a stop to this cybervandalism.
9

Wilhelm ,

23/07/2008 00:48:22
Why doesnt the Scotsman change its title to the AM2 liebour comic.
I expect this comment to be censored by AM2.

Im off back to the Herald, an AM2 free zone and thank goodness for that.

10

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 00:49:42
8

I agree I hate when the SNP prevent free debate on an SNP failure.

A typical freedom hating SNP activist posted over 900 times an obscenity because pages can only display 1,000 posts.

This is typical of the SNP voters. They are scary characters, I am glad I am anonymous.
11

GM,

23/07/2008 00:52:48
@8

yup, both used the story to simply stir up comments on Swinney and LIT - a bit desperate really. Swinney appears in the article in just about name only as the person the Labour group have reported their issues to, but that didn't stop AM2 squirming in defence of his 'contribution'.
12

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 23/07/2008 00:56:32
Aberdeen City Council's difficulties are not the result of SNP failures. The problems began long before they were in the administration there. It was the coalition in which they now are with the Libdems (as junior partners) that discovered the massive deficits £27m (or is it £50m?)which was the legacy of previous administrations, and have tried to sort the mess.
13

GM,

23/07/2008 00:57:52
@10

I think you'll find that Mr Banks is actually not a supported of the SNP - rather a unionist who just has a dislike of AM2.

Still, at least he is open about his cybervandalism... AM2 can destroy a thread in a much more subtle way - and the thread in question is a very clear example of his attempts to do this.

You, 'Free by 93', on the other hand are quite an obvious troll*



*I use the word 'troll' but really, your attempts on this forum to stir things up score about 0.2 on the trollometer (zero being worst, 10 being the best troll)
14

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 00:58:11
11

Oh so it was you who posted in excess of 900 times an obscenity to restrict others from free comment? You are some of self-appointed moderator.

I expect you'll be boasting about your cyberterrorism down the local with the other freedom-haters on benefits day.
15

GM,

23/07/2008 00:59:19
@10

can you please detail the 'SNP failure' you are referring to?
16

GM,

23/07/2008 01:02:04
@14

no

and

no


I've been posting here for a very long time and see no need to resort to such tactics.
By way of background, I should explain to you that I vote SNP but I am neither an activist or indeed support all their policies. You can confirm with AM2 that I actually feel the LIT is a mistake and may become a bit of an albatross to the SNP... and I have posted my views openly here.

17

GM,

23/07/2008 01:03:25
@14

do you have any comment to make on this article at all?

Did you see the program in question?
18

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 01:16:14
Yes I did. I must say it is typical of the SNP, they are professional agitators of the worst kind, same as Labour. So when it is Labour v the SNP of course no-one cares what the election is or what they should be debating and just bickering over who personally "wins".

Labour and the SNP will destroy Scotland between them.
19

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 01:17:56
Labour and the SNP could argue over the time of day.

The SNP would start with greenwhich meantime and imperalism no doubt, how we need an extra hour up here because it gets dark too early. Labour would argue that an extra 30 mins would be good under devolution.

They are a complete joke, childish bickering is the norm, gesture student politics at best.
20

Edward,

23/07/2008 02:06:36
Watched STV's 'Politics Now' and agree the programme was let down by Margaret Curran's over the top attacks on the SNP. She was obviously breifed what to say, for at times what she said seemed out of step with what was being asked!.The number of times she would say 'Thats a good question' when asked something got very tiring and embaressing, came a ccross as a complete amateur. As pointed out by Huntley Loon, most if not all the discussion was on topics that are actually devolved. Obviosly Curran is not aware that Policing and crime prevention are devolved matters, or has she not being paying attention all the while in Holyrood!
21

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 03:52:27
I see the Scotsman is engaging in News Of The World
style headlines -

"Glasgow East: Curran warned of death threat"

see - tinyurl.com/56qel2

Of course if you bother to read the article it is the
other Curran the Socialist one that is being referred to
not the champagne socialist Ms Curran who lives
in a one million £ house.

see - tinyurl.com/6mfld5

Perhaps the socialist Ms Curran got in trouble for
her new leaflet :

"VOTE FOR THE LEFT CURRAN NOT THE RIGHT CURRAN"

The leaflet contrasts Frances as being a Socialist with Labour candidate Margaret Curran who the SSP say used to be one.

see - tinyurl.com/57c2jt

Perhaps Gordon Brown meant it when they said they
would do anything and everything to
preserve the Union ?

I hope the voters of Glasgow East don't get confused here and vote for the Curran who is
falsely adversing herself as a Socialist.
22

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 04:14:05
Interesting article from the Telegraph

"Labour facing humiliation in Glasgow East by-election"

"{Labour is facing humiliation in Thursday's Glasgow East by-election, with less than a thousand votes separating it from defeat in one of the party's safest seats."

see - tinyurl.com/6437ca

Also it includes a bit more on the Marshall
Clan's scamming :

He also paid £75,000 per year in staff costs to one person, listed a C Marshall, thought to be his 66-year-old wife, Christine.

It was revealed yesterday that he let his 31-year-old daughter, Christina, operate two property companies from the same address.

The firms, which handle a £270,000 property portfolio, were registered at Mr Marshall's home in March this year.

Ian Robertson, the Liberal Democrat candidate said "serious questions" had to be asked and called for assurances no taxpayers' money was used inappropriately.
23

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 04:48:00
21/22

The article isn't really about what you posted.

You are lucky the SNP support your irrelevant ways, because otherwist they would shutdown this thread because they hate freedom of speech.

The SNP have a freaky following.
24

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 04:49:46
(I am of course referring to the wierdo who posted over 950 times on both SNP articles critical of the SNP.)

That is actually an offence in law to sabotage a website like that, scary eh? To have thugs openly running about in the name of "the cause".
25

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 04:55:49
23 Free by '93

"21/22

The article isn't really about what you posted. "

Really, I thought this article was about the
Glasgow By-Election so both posts are completely
relevant. Interestingly most other articles
done allow comments, potentially due
to Unionist abuse I suspect ?



26

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 05:09:08
25

It's about the quality of debate. But my words "isn't really" just acknowledge there is only a vague or stretched relevance as any intelligent person will note.

Of course it's okay with me what you posted and with everyone else. I was just pointing out that you are lucky you don't have to put up with the SNP stalkers, vandals and law breakers who abuse websites.

It wasn't unionist abuse at all. An SNP voter started using expletives because John Swinney had made a mess of something and this was commented upon by AM2.

The SNP wierdo posted 950 times or more on two threads to deliberately shut them down. Cyberattacks or what, that is the quality of SNP person these sites attract.
27

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 05:11:17
26 Free by '93

How do you know it was an "SNP wierdo" and not
a Unionist weirdo, do you work for the Scotsman ?
28

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 05:18:46
27

Experience and the content of what they were posting.

When someone criticises Cameron, Brown, Clegg or Darling, Osbourne etc you never see some voter lose the plot and have a mental breakdown.

I wish I could say the same about the SNP, they attract a somewhat more..., um, shall we say, passionate contributor? You know a real fruit, a bit of a plum, a couple petrol tokens short of a toaster, not quite the full picnic, a violent moon-gazer etc.

I'm sure you know the type well.
29

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 05:22:07
Msybe when I said passioante, I should have said loyal or attached. The same way someone might be to a cult, you know loyal and emotionally attached. Willing to attack and shut down websites that post the truth about their leader, you know like scientology does. "Fair gaming" I think they call it, I'm sure SNP hq has a similair term for orchestrated cyber-attacks on critical threads on this website.

I'm suprised you don't distance yourself from this vandalism? Maybe you approve, scary.
30

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 05:23:14
28 Free by '93
"You know a real fruit, a bit of a plum, a couple petrol tokens short of a toaster, not quite the full picnic, a violent moon-gazer etc"

Yep I know the type well- didn't you realize
they were Unionist ?

Highland Mighty
Monkey man
kimba
The Master
Publius
The Tin Man
Truly English
The Maltese Tranny
Janis the tranny
AM2
Ciderman (brain dead garbage.)
Side show bob
Phil1
The Answer
Nikstratos
Media1 (Village Idiot.)
Gordon The Chairman.
Dennis from Northern Isles.
Frank MD
Elizabeth the Ist.
Rufus T. Firefly
fairfax
31

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 05:25:24
30

Oh dear, you've started that crazed SNP thing when someone quietly mentions something about one of your kind.

You go off the railings and start making random insults about specific people/posters.

Why can;t you just acknowledge it is shameful to stifle free debate by posting 1,900 over 2 article critical of the SNP to shut them down.
32

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 05:32:39
31 Free by '93

Hmm, I believe you were that one that went
"off the railings and start making random insults" :

"You know a real fruit, a bit of a plum, a couple petrol tokens short of a toaster, not quite the full picnic, a violent moon-gazer etc"

By the way I do agree with you that
"it is shameful to stifle free debate by posting
1,900" - I never said otherwise, shame
you were so eager to make such a random
insult by assuming otherwise.

Slàinte mhor
33

Traquir , Alba,

23/07/2008 05:36:49
Looks like the Unions are not too keen on
Labour's latest embracing of Tory policies.


"Unions condemn 'draconian and regressive' welfare reforms"

"Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union, who said: "These proposals are regressive and draconian, going further than even Thatcher dared in the 1980s."

see - tinyurl.com/66ucxk

I wonder how the people of Glasgow East will
take Brown's latest embrace of Thatcherism ?
34

catgut,

pomona 23/07/2008 06:20:16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1037387/Is-Glasgow-East-going-New-Labours-graveyard.html


try this for ceash news
35

kt mcallan,

23/07/2008 06:28:42
margaret curran's attempts to soften her image (baby pink jacket on politics now and SLIGHTLY less screetching) do not detract from the fact that she is UNABLE to defend her party's appalling record in government and the plain truth that all that ghastly party's campaigning has been negative campaigning against the SNP.
I hope that everyone who votes tomorrow is well aware of the marshall and his daughter: 500,000 reasons not to vote for the liebour party scandal.screaming harridan keeps quiet on THAT one and the media has totally let her off from answering questions on it.
As for the politics now show - with ms curran on board you couldn't POSSIBLY have a fair run at candidates interviewing each other reasonably? allowing that screetching looney to interview her fellow candidates was a sick joke, please!What a stupid format, really disappointing.
36

roughrider,

Glasgow 23/07/2008 07:17:56
STV should get rid of the idiot that produced this piece of amateur dross, it was the worst political program I have ever witnessed.
As for screeching Curran well as usual she made a complete fool of herself,"what do you and A.Salmond disagree on" nag,nag,nag finger waving demented banshee.DOES SHE REALIZE HOW PATHETIC SHE COMES ACROSS?
As for Crowball how this clown got into tv is baffling ,the guy is a labour plant, a fixed stupid smirk on his mush, interrupting people without letting them answer the question he had just asked.
Terrible stuff from the amateurs at STV.
37

Jock 1O7,

23/07/2008 08:18:37
36 roughrider

PROBABLY NOT - it was like seeing an uptight crazy thing try to scold someone. Mason's lip quivered a lot too - both reminded me of my school days. Are these the best that their parties can provide?

Tory girl was at last on the attack, having been quiet and mumbly so far. She seems to be hoping for third place - what's the point!?

Car crash in slow motion, televised on a mobile phone. Rubbish.
38

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 23/07/2008 08:24:20
#29 The standard of debate on these forums is entirely down to idiots like you, mostly Unionists, posting sniping and abuse (even your username is a pathetic sneer) instead of trying to defend Labour's indefensible record. It's understandable, of course - no spin doctor on Earth could make Labour look good now - but no less despicable for that. Some Nationalists take the troll bait, sadly, but there's only a certain amount of you and your ilk's cynical wrecking that people can stand, and it's HILARIOUS to watch you suddenly try to claim the moral high ground and pretend you seek intelligent discourse.

Want to prove me wrong? Why not start by answering the questions at post #59 of the welfare reforms story?
39

jacquesmac,

23/07/2008 08:35:30
Am the only one who nhought that during last night's debate on STV, Margaret Curran was receiving feed through an earpiece.

There were time during the open questioning she smiled as though prompted on a point via her earpiece and then launched onto a prepared script.

She also seemed to be touching her ear several times, as though to reposition the same earpiece?

It was impossible to see to be definitive as her hair covered both ears though my eyes suggested that her left ear was wired.

Call me paranoid maybe, but

Did anyone see the same, think the same?

I noticed no similar open earpieces on the other 3 candidates who all had their ears fulltime in view.
40

Arrow,

edinburgh 23/07/2008 08:51:24
saw the "debate" last night and after 10 minutes switched to the History Channel. however, can someone please tell me why this paper has no mention of the article in the Herald regarding the use of the previous MP's house for running 2 property letting businesses from the same address. perhaps the Inland Revenue needs to have a look at the various bills for say telephones that were claimed as business expenses and those claimed as parliamentary expenses. rental income paid by the two businesses to the owner of the house unless of course the owner of the house was also part of the two businesses. as Many Shinwell used to say "there is a smell of stinking fish".
41

Andy Stewart,

Kirkaldy 23/07/2008 09:07:12
I am a betting man and predict the SNP will take Glasgow East with a majority of 500 votes.
For more comments please log on to political betting.com.
Thank You
42

AJ Fife,

23/07/2008 09:30:49
Mason certainly looked and sounded the part and is a proven asset to the Glasgow East community!

There can be only one........
43

Doh,

23/07/2008 09:58:58


I dont think Ross could have watched the same show as me. Davina Rankin was the worst of the 4 candidates - her invitation to the public to "forget ancient history" was an interesting take on governemnt responsibility.

She also repeated several smears accusing Labour/ibDems of being soft on knife crime - without beign able to substantiate her accussations.

Oh yes what was the unemployment level in the East End under Thatcher?

The "flips anf flaps" was just another cheap shot - that maybe raised a laugh from some Tory spin doctors.

However I have to say the worst performers were the assembled group of 20 voters - be honest - their questiosn and responses were poor.

The best part of the format was allowing the candidates to question each other.

All in all a good show.
44

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23/07/2008 10:04:11
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45

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:04:26
What a hoot!!

Now I know why Salmond IS the SNP campaign in Glasgow East and why Mason is led by the hand everyday by Eck.

Jing is this REALLY the best Separatist candidate?

The hands may have stopped shaking, the answers, er, wooden (like the candidate himself), but he looked like he was suppressing a laugh - and 'pouting' - what was all that about?

46

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:06:32
39

hehe


The Separatist conspiracy continues, Curran, we're told, was miked up - paranoia, pure and simple.
47

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 10:09:49
#44 ... Wow you're paranoid.

#40 Yes indeed, why no mention of the Marshall allegations? And why is the Hootsman clearing and closing any discussion threads that dare to mention it - as happened overnight with on the Salmond story... The Herald and even the tabloids have picked up on this story but yet again the Scotsman has its eyes covered and fingers in its ears to anything that the Labour parasites (alledgedly) do wrong...
48

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23/07/2008 10:11:28
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49

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 23/07/2008 10:19:33
#44 You still haven't told us what your objection to that comment is, dear.
50

kt mcallan,

scotland 23/07/2008 10:21:53
"stop running down the east end" yes, cruella de curran wants us all to forget how her lying cronies have done nothing for the east end, prefering instead to line their own pockets and those of their wives and daughters.Howevever positively one looks at the east end it cannot be denied that labour has failed the area.
Labour -Corrupt liars undeserving of the votes and the trust of the people.
51

AJ Fife,

23/07/2008 10:22:00
#47,

Marshall is another disaster in waiting for the Labour Party. Let's hope so anyway! Surely the Glasgow East voting public can't keep returning a corrupt party to government?!?
52

SECURITY,

On cyber patrol 23/07/2008 10:30:34
ATTENTION ATTENTION. The Herald forum users have mounted a very effective campaign in

ignoring the trolls. This has resulted in them being ostracised and death swiftly follows. These

sad cyber slaves need the oxygen of your responses as they are attention seeking social

misfits who have one life only on line. Deny them the oxygen of your reaction to their

agitation.

The following monikers are some of the more common ones mostly used by the same person.

It has now come to our attention that these are state sponsored agent provoceteurs operating

from Millbank, and finaced by MI5. The amount of data they can pull up quickly confirms this,

especially the rabid paranoid AM2 call sign who has a permanent presence on here, and must

by now be quite insane as he has been on duty since April 2007.


They will easily be defeated if we all just IGNORE THE TROLLS. Continue with the debate but

do not respond to their lies. You will be amazed how quick and effective this is.


IGNORE THESE TROLLS.

Others will spring up to fill the gaps but they are easily spotted and dealt with in the same

way.


IGNORE THE TROLLS.


DEATH TO ALL TROLLS.


IGNORE THEM TO DEATH.

KILL THE TROLLS.


Free by '93,
Highland Mighty
Monkey man
kimba (very smelly foul mothed mong, do not approach!)
The Master
Publius
The Tin Man
Truly English
The Maltese Tranny
Janis the tranny
AM2
Ciderman (brain dead garbage.)
Side show bob
Phil1
The Answer
Nikostratos
Media1 (Village Idiot.)
Gordon The Chairman.
Dennis from Northern Isles.
Frank MD
Elizabeth the Ist.
Rufus T. Firefly
fairfax
sm753
British Pride
Boudica
Langtonian,
Grahmski,
L for L,
Galactic
Cannabal
RBNR.
53

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:32:45
46

Yeah, but to be fair, he did promise a slimmed down administration - and in one slight of hand dumped the whole lot on Swinney - Meenster For Everything!!

BTW, did you see Eck on't TV last night - "Twa denners" needs to get on some fitness programme or the SNP's Obesity Minister gets onto him.

54

SECURITY,

23/07/2008 10:32:53
ATTENTION ATTENTION. The Herald forum users have mounted a very effective campaign in ignoring the trolls. This has resulted in them being ostracised and death swiftly follows. These sad cyber slaves need the oxygen of your responses as they are attention seeking social misfits who have one life only on line. Deny them the oxygen of your reaction to their agitation.

The following monikers are some of the more common ones mostly used by the same person. It has now come to our attention that these are state sponsored agent provoceteurs operating from Millbank, and finaced by MI5. The amount of data they can pull up quickly confirms this, especially the rabid paranoid AM2 call sign who has a permanent presence on here, and must by now be quite insane as he has been on duty since April 2007.


They will easily be defeated if we all just IGNORE THE TROLLS. Continue with the debate but do not respond to their lies. You will be amazed how quick and effective this is.
Make your points and debate with the non agitators.

IGNORE THESE TROLLS.

Others will spring up to fill the gaps but they are easily spotted and dealt with in the same way.


IGNORE THE TROLLS.


DEATH TO ALL TROLLS.


IGNORE THEM TO DEATH.

KILL THE TROLLS.


Free by '93,
Highland Mighty
Monkey man
kimba (very smelly foul mothed mong, do not approach!)
The Master
Publius
The Tin Man
Truly English
The Maltese Tranny
Janis the tranny
AM2
Ciderman (brain dead garbage.)
Side show bob
Phil1
The Answer
Nikostratos
Media1 (Village Idiot.)
Gordon The Chairman.
Dennis from Northern Isles.
Frank MD
Elizabeth the Ist.
Rufus T. Firefly
fairfax
sm753
British Pride
Boudica
Langtonian,
Grahmski,
L for L,
Galactic
Cannabal
RBNR.
55

brownlie,

23/07/2008 10:32:58
44 Paisley Pete

Congratulations, great post!!

By your own admission the Strathclyde police have not identified the possible "assailants" but you can identify them as SNP "thugs".

She can sleep safely now that Ciderman is on the case!
56

brownlie,

23/07/2008 10:34:55
53 British Pride

Quite right, too, it is obvious to every-one that all unionist politicians are slim, trim and elegant.
57

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 10:38:44
You have to chuckle... obviously I spoke too soon about Labour paranoia... we obviously have it alive and well on our side too (#52 & #54)... I'm sat here giggling at the thought of AM2, Highland Mighty and Grahamski being in MI5 - dogmatic (AM2) and upleasant (Highland Mighty & Grahamski) they may be, but I think we can sleep safely knowing that the security of the nation isn't in their hands...

58

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 10:39:04
#52 SECURITY

Your conspiratorial delusions about MI5 and the like are your own problem. But your list of non-nationalist posters as "trolls" and your "KILL THE TROLLS" direction is frankly sinister. I would hope that all decent nationalists posting here would distance themselves from your efforts to inhibit free speech.
59

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:39:48
56

Remember the Nats Con? Opening pic has him down to something like 9 stone - he doesn't look right. He looks ill, not slim.

I'm not alleging this new Eck is to con the public, of course.

60

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23/07/2008 10:41:52
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61

brownlie,

23/07/2008 10:43:02
58 AM2

The biggest inhibition to "free speech" on this site is that individuals use multiple monikers to agree with or even praise their own contributions.

Then again, perhaps the biggest inhibition is the Scotsman not allowing comments on specific articles which may be embarassing to one side or another.
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SECURITY,

23/07/2008 10:43:41

ACTION STATIONS ALERT ALERT




ATTENTION ATTENTION. The Herald forum users have mounted a very effective campaign in ignoring the trolls. This has resulted in them being ostracised and death swiftly follows. These sad cyber slaves need the oxygen of your responses as they are attention seeking social misfits who have one life only on line. Deny them the oxygen of your reaction to their agitation.

The following monikers are some of the more common ones mostly used by the same person. It has now come to our attention that these are state sponsored agent provoceteurs operating from Millbank, and finaced by MI5. The amount of data they can pull up quickly confirms this, especially the rabid paranoid AM2 call sign who has a permanent presence on here, and must by now be quite insane as he has been on duty since April 2007.


They will easily be defeated if we all just IGNORE THE TROLLS. Continue with the debate but do not respond to their lies. You will be amazed how quick and effective this is.
Make your points and debate with the non agitators.

IGNORE THESE TROLLS.

Others will spring up to fill the gaps but they are easily spotted and dealt with in the same way.


IGNORE THE TROLLS.


DEATH TO ALL TROLLS.


IGNORE THEM TO DEATH.

KILL THE TROLLS.


Free by '93,
Highland Mighty
Monkey man
kimba (very smelly foul mothed mong, do not approach!)
The Master
Publius
The Tin Man
Truly English
The Maltese Tranny
Janis the tranny
AM2
Ciderman (brain dead garbage.)
Side show bob
Phil1
The Answer
Nikostratos
Media1 (Village Idiot.)
Gordon The Chairman.
Dennis from Northern Isles.
Frank MD
Elizabeth the Ist.
Rufus T. Firefly
fairfax
sm753
British Pride
Boudica
Langtonian,
Grahmski,
L for L,
Galactic
Cannabal
RBNR.
63

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:45:17
58

This intemperate language (KILL THE TROLLS), as D-Day Dawns, is symptomatic of panic and fear. Wonder if this language could ever lead to court action?

Still, I would hate to think this somehow fits into the threats on Frances Curran.

Strathclyde's Finest will sort it out, nae problem. Oh wait, they can't, something to do with a dumped SNP promise to provide more cops.


64

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 10:46:33
#61 brownlie

Re multiple monikers, you seem to be agreeing with "SECURITY".

So is that some kind of veiled confession?
65

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:46:50
Scottish Cringe -

SNP talking up the problems in Glasgow's East End
SNP talking down to the people who live there.
66

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 10:50:05
#64 AM2... time was when you would engage in debate on those forums - but now you're nothing but visceral...


67

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 10:51:06
typo... "these forums" even...
68

European Scot,

23/07/2008 10:51:34
58 AM2

The day before a crucial by-election, and all of the comments sections on stories relating to it, are closed down, except for this one 'blog'.
The 'Scotsman', always the one to surprise.
Never predictable !
Inhibit free speech AM2 ?
What exactly is this publication doing today ?
This is far more worrying, than the over the top comments of an individual poster.
69

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 10:54:40
68

Save your complaints, the problem will be sorted soon enough. Sales of the hootsman and Herald (and all other regional/local papers) are spiralling downwards.

It's reckoned that within a decade neither of the 2 Scots qualities will be with us anymore.

BTW, Scottish Editions of The Dauily Mail, etc, remain robust.

Wouldn't it be ironic if anti-Hootsman posters end up being forced to use the only ones left, the blogs on so-called "English" papers!!
70

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 10:56:13
#60

You said: "Curran was just horrible, what a rancorous bitter and twisted person she is" and called her "this duplicitous harridan".

That provides an interesting case study in double standards.

Yesterday, on the benefits thread, I posted this:

"Mason indulges in particularly nasty scaremongering, referring to “scrapping incapacity benefit” (without making plain what will replace it) and hinting that “genuinely disabled and genuinely ill” people will be disadvantaged (which isn’t true). He is worrying people unnecessarily – for the sake of political gain."

The post was seized upon as offensive. I had called Mr Mason "nasty", it was claimed. It was a "personal attack". It was "disgraceful".

My post was even reported to the moderator on that basis. Thankfully, he wasn't taken in.

Do you agree with yesterday's posters that tirades directed against unionists are acceptable but any personal criticism, however mild, of nationalists crosses the line?
71

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 10:57:20
#66 Chris.J

This isn't a typical thread. I would debate given the chance. Try me.
72

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 10:58:59
#68 Exactly...

We have trolls and bigots on both sides - its very easy to ignore them.

But what we can't ignore is a "quality" national newspaper that time and time again refuses to publish (or even allow discussion) of important issues when they may be damaging to the Labour Party. Yet we have a constant flow of trivial non-stories that are used to smear the SNP. Where is the grown-up debate and mature politics?
73

Publius,

London 23/07/2008 10:59:31
#30 Traquir

Your insult is as unfair as it is gratuitous. My political views have been entirely open on this board. I voted for the SNP in the 2007 election. (If I had a vote in Glasgow East I'd vote SNP in the by-election.) But I think the SNP government is not as successful as the SNP makes out. (1) There is little chance of independence in the near future so the SNP should try to make the best of working within the Scotland Act. (2) LIT is ill thought out. Even it is implemented it will cause more problems than it solves. (3) SNP attacks on trams in Edinburgh have become tedious. I opposed trams too. But when the price of oil shot up, it made a trams a more or less viable proposition. A serious party should change its policies when circumstances change.
Insulting people who disagree with you demeans you, not them. Continue insulting them and you will find that no-one will take any notice of you.
74

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:02:16
#68 European Scot

Late last night that "David Banks" character (aka Ford Transit, Tripod etc) spammed the Swinney/Aberdeen thread with an obscenity directed at me - almost 1000 times in order to close down the thread. After post #1000 no further posts are allowed.

The Scotsman's buggy forum software appears to have been unable to deal with that, as also happened the previous day, so it seems that they had to remove the whole thread.

Why do you see that as the Scotsman inhibiting free speech?
75

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23/07/2008 11:03:15
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 23/07/2008 11:03:51
#71 "I would debate given the chance. Try me."

I tried you on the welfare thread. Two days and still waiting.
77

Rob Marrs,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 11:04:21
Ross,

Come on. She stung Robertson on that one point but was woeful when she was ''cross-examining'' Curran.

I thought Iain was star of the show but it was his worst performance. Everywhere else he has walked all over political pygmies of Mason, Rankin and Curran.

R
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SECURITY,

23/07/2008 11:04:37
At base level, this just comes down to dot-com transitional paradigm shifts.
Our exploratory research points to 'Outside the box' asset projections.


End.
79

Publius,

London 23/07/2008 11:05:37
#62 Security

I accept your challenge. Water pistols at dawn on Arthur's Seat.
80

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:06:23
#73 Publius

For what it's worth, I greatly appreciate your thoughtful posts. You've been critical of some my positions in the past, often with justification, and I'm grateful for that.
81

Publius,

London 23/07/2008 11:07:18
#75 Security

Now it's paintballs.
82

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:07:31
Hehe! Bizarre juxtaposition. Post #79 isn't one of your most thoughtful!
83

Scottish 'N British,

23/07/2008 11:09:38
77

Agreed - not as strong as before, but he did OK. With Curran, the best candidates.

The Lib Dems need to find him a safe seat.

84

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 11:09:47
#71 OK - Care to comment on whether the timing of this snap by-election is just a means of avoiding the repercussions something nasty in Marshall's expenses being exposed? Also, why are Cairns and Curran refusing to acknowledge it as a story (or even pretending to know nothing about it)? Cairns may be many things, but he is not ill-informed!
85

SECURITY,

23/07/2008 11:10:55
Cyber cannons loaded.....check

drive mission-critical dialogue...check

unleash thematic stakeholders....check

deliver critical applications...check

aggregate proactive methodologies...check

visualize intuitive pedagogy....check.


ALL UNITS STANDBY, OUT.
86

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:11:49
#77 Rob Marrs

Agreed re Ian Robertson. Smart lad. Definitely one to watch.
87

AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:13:58
#84 Chris.J

Re timing, I think it quite likely. Cairns et al would be very foolish to comment.
88

SECURITY,

23/07/2008 11:16:28
By modifying this life sensor spectrum, we can make it work in conjunction with the anti-matter operating grid.

I believe that this will increase the efficiency of the troll arrestor maintenance undefined by 44 percent. Thus reducing the load on the auto optical plate.

I think there's something wrong with the communication matter tie-in
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 23/07/2008 11:17:18
AM2? AM2? Still waiting for that intelligent debate on welfare reform. Are you there? Hello?
90

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23/07/2008 11:18:41
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:19:02
#83 Scottish 'N British

Agree. I would still rank them thus:

1. Ian Robertson
2. Margaret Curran
3. John Mason
4. Davena Rankin
92

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23/07/2008 11:20:00
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 23/07/2008 11:21:06
#89 "Rev" S Campbell

No, I wasn't there. I've been here. Can't you see that?
94

SECURITY,

23/07/2008 11:21:07
A notable omission