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Public sector staff threaten autumn of discontent over pay



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Published Date: 02 September 2008
SCOTS were last night warned to expect an autumn of disruption and strike action after council leaders refused to increase a 2.5 per cent pay offer.
Unions representing about 150,000 council staff said they would call a series of strikes over the next few weeks in response to the "failure" of Cosla, the local government employers' organisation, to table a better offer.

The unions involved, Uni
son, Unite and the GMB, have already taken one day's strike, closing schools, leaving rubbish uncollected and disrupting ferry services for a day last month.

They did return to the negotiating table with Cosla after that strike, but talks broke down yesterday afternoon when Cosla made it clear there was no money for an increased pay offer.

Michael Cook, for Cosla, said: "The problem for us is that whilst we do sympathise with our workforce and the monetary pressures they are facing, we have a major difficulty because we are facing exactly the same pressures on budgets across the board."

Mr Cook said there would have been cuts in services had Cosla found the money for a bigger pay deal.

"We fully recognise this will be disappointing for the unions but taking this need for balance into account, it (2.5 per cent] is an appropriate offer," he said. Mr Cook said Cosla was willing to discuss the issue with the Scottish Government, but added: "We appreciate that, like us, they have no more money available."

Jimmy Farrelly, from the Unite union, said there would be further strikes.

He said: "This is a total misjudgment of local government workers' commitment to fight for a decent living wage.

"We are extremely disappointed with their decision which will lead to an escalation of strike action."

Mr Farrelly said the three unions involved – Unite, the GMB and Unison – would meet in the next week to co-ordinate further strike dates.

Stephanie Herd, from Unison, said: "Further action is now inevitable. Many of our members are amongst the lowest paid in the public sector and to give indications that the offer would be improved and then subsequently not will simply strengthen their resolve in pursuing a better offer."

Alex McLuckie, from the GMB, said he was "more angry than disappointed", adding that he believed his members would support further action.

The dispute is over the offer of 2.5 per cent for each of the next three years which Cosla has offered to the unions.

It is understood that Cosla did agree to make this a one-year, rather than a three-year deal, but that would still mean just 2.5 per cent for this year with later years to be decided in the future.

The unions argued that this was no better than the original offer on the table and refused to accept it.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has made it clear he believes increasing public-sector wage inflation will only deepen the economic slowdown.

However, John Swinney, the finance secretary, has remained neutral on the issue, merely appealing to both sides to negotiate, but otherwise not getting involved.

BACKGROUND

THE local government pay dispute has become a central issue in the Scottish Labour leadership contest.

Two of the three contenders, Cathy Jamieson (who is supported by Unison) and Iain Gray (who has the backing of Unite) have given public support to the strikers.

Mr Gray appealed for the Scottish Government to intervene last night, saying he did not believe 2.5 per cent was fair.

Andy Kerr, the other leadership contender, has not come out in support of the strike action.





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  • Last Updated: 02 September 2008 12:38 AM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 00:16:04
The SNP losing control of civil servants.

They are an absolute disgrace. If it isn't sausages or Islam they don't want to spend your cash on it.
2

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:20:06
What kind of sausages?

We should be told!
3

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:26:20
Can't be pork.
4

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:26:58
www.cybernatcentral.blogspot.com
5

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:27:17
For all the answers.
6

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:28:51
BREAKING NEWS

LABOUR MP PICTURED WITH MACHINE GUN
7

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:29:11
CALLS FOR HIS RESIGNATION
8

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:30:16
Full story now running at....

www.cybernatcentral.blogspot.com

You heard it hear first!
9

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 00:31:59
Oh, you can also vote in our new poll; Two public figures, Jahanger Hanif and ****** *****, have been photographed recently holding guns.Which of the two is partly responsable for a war that has resulted in the deaths of over 200,000 people?

at; www.cybernatcentral.blogspot.com
10

Edward,

02/09/2008 01:26:35
So why are Unison, Unite and the GMB not going on strike in England? After all the English local authorities are not offering anything more that whats been offered by COSLA.
Or is it a coincidence that Unison, Unite and the GMB are backers of the Labour Party. The same party that are in charge of the purse strings in Westminster and restrict the amount of money that Scotland gets
11

subrosa,

02/09/2008 01:38:19
# 10

It's possibly a wee deal with the unions and No 10. ' Persecute the Scots first and don't touch middle England until we say so' kind of deal. Auch I'm just an old cynic ...
12

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 02:39:24
Tell the unions that for every 1% increase above 2.5% headcount has to be reduced by 1% so that it is self funding.
13

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 02/09/2008 02:46:17
lets see? labour party's biggest funds giver(unite) £1.4 million? why oh why? would you want to strike? michief makers at work! it's how the labour party works, they've never belived in democracy! just under handed sneaky beaurcracy! vote them out! lets have real change!
14

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02/09/2008 03:37:45
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/09/2008 07:18:11
Yikes, not content with spouting government lies the nats have now taken to union-bashing. Nice.
Oh, and when they're not union-bashing they're trying to equate a visit to our troops by the prime minister with a SNP slum landlord visiting a military style camp and playing with live ammo.Double nice.
In fact Mr Hanif thought that it was so cool to play with AK47s that he took his kids along to play too, that's nice isn't it?
16

madrab,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 07:35:01
If there are going to be strikes anyway, why don't management give them something to strike about?

Making 1 in 10 of these lazy jobsworths redundant would be a good start.

Why should my tax be wasted on a huge pay rise for the public sector?
17

Boy Wonder,

02/09/2008 07:50:02
Does anyone remeber Callaghan's disastrous years in Govt?? Looks like they're being repeated with Maw Broon!
18

Tynietiger,

02/09/2008 07:54:17

Public service workers have a good deal compared to me.
I only got 2.25% increase to last until next May. I don't have pension and job security either.

According to Electoral Commission Scottish Labour received NO individual donations in last 3 months and all reported finance came from Trade Unions based in England.
19

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/09/2008 07:55:04
17
Does anyone remember why the SNP are called the tartan tories? Just read posts 10 -14 to see why....
20

MacGillicuddy,

02/09/2008 07:55:16
No surprises here then given that the unions are indivisible from the Liebour Party. They therefore do as their political wing tells them.
21

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/09/2008 07:57:45
18
Nice post, it atacks the trades unions and slips in a sly wee dig at the bliddy Inglush...something of a double whammy from the nats...
22

Iain's,

Barcelona 02/09/2008 08:06:13
And the unions fund the New Labour Party? I seem to have lost touch with reality in this.

23

The Lurgan Tiger,

02/09/2008 08:12:22
I think if you do your homework, you will find that the oublic sector have been on strike in the reast of the disunited kingdom
24

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 08:28:14
The usual silliness from the Nats. Apparently we're more than fit to run our own country but are largely a population of morons and human sheep(other than Nats of course). First of all, all those believers in the Union past and present have been too dim and brainwashed to see through the horible English propaganda they've been fed since 1707. Now we're told that all those tens of thousands of union (is there a foul conspiracy here?) members have been led astray by their Scottish Quislingite leaders and have been forced to VOTE for strikes they don't want. Sigh.
25

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 08:31:43
Can somebody enlighten me over the relevance of sausages? I seem to have missed that one.
26

JayJay,

Right here 02/09/2008 08:39:42
I wonder if the head of Unison might address his concerns on members pay to the couple of phannies in Downing Street who managed to bring us fuel prices at 150p per litre (with 75% of that down to their absurd tax policies) or who have failed to reign in 38% energy price hikes from foreign owners who would not get away with such rises in their home market?
Unison might further wish to enquire of the clown at number 11, or indeed his predecessor Coco at number 10, what they were doing when the FSA were singularly failing to spot that 8 times salary and 125% mortgages at Northern Rock were far from sensible business strategies. That howler cost us all £50bn and rising.
Its a bit rich that Unison seems to accept Darling's line over the need for restraint in pay negotiations in England, yet bizarrely take a different line in Scotland. Are they simply readying themselves for independence?
27

Toast,

02/09/2008 08:54:26
Cut private sector pensions,let the lazt gits fund their own future
28

Jay Kay,

02/09/2008 08:57:15
#26 #10 spot on more dirty tricky from Broon and co in a sad pathetic attempt to out do the SNP yet more and more people are against the Union, they see it for what it is, the sooner we become independent the better, cut all ties with Westmonster, build a couple more Hydro schemes and bingo free power for all.

Stuff England three hundred years of being ruled over by another country and then yet another bag of theifs and villans on top of them, Ronnie Biggs did forty years and he only nicked a mill.

Broon and co must be the biggest bunch of theifs ever to walk the face of the earth, Ally Baba, ha amature, rank amature beside brown the clown and his sidekick Darling, honestly you couldnt write this stuff.
29

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 09:14:47
10 Edward
Unison and Unite had a two day strike in July in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Your conspiracy theory is unfounded.
30

morris,

edinburgh 02/09/2008 09:47:41
29

I have spent most of my working life as a shop steward in UNISON.One of the courses I went on turned out to be an attempted recruitment campaign for the Labour Party.Needless to say we were most unhappy that members donations could be unnacountable / spent in this way.Okay there was a genuine course also, but we had to make it clear we would walk out if there was a repetition,so please dont suggest that no bias exists in UNISON.
It runs on political bias!

Jim Devine is a classic case of hypocrisy of the highest order.He spent years opposing every action Labour governments tried to implement then became an MP and helped to implement the measures he was employed to oppose.
NEW LABOUR are full of it,and its time they were removed.
I have not lost my socialist leanings,but Labour lost theirs years ago!
They are an insult to the ILP founders.
31

Alan B,

02/09/2008 10:07:02
Unions should not be politically aligned. Unions should just be lobby political parties to implement policies of their choosing. Donations should be from individual members to the party of their choice.
32

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 10:40:17
I love the ones who say people are tories, like it's a bad thing to have an efficient public sector that produces quality.

That those undereducated, overqualified idiots who fill the posts have some kind of human right to a median pay greater than the private sector. No threat of discipline, redundancy, pension shortfall and guaranteed early retirement at 55.

In the 70s when we didn't have any oil, the IMF refused to loan us (the UK) money until we sorted out our wasteful public sector. Then we found oil and decided to spend it on a wasteful public sector.

The UK is now a net importer of oil and gas again and guess what. We can't afford our public sector again, Britain is being downgraded to junk bond level because of the salaries and pension costs for the fat, useless, easteful public sector employee.

But don't you dare ask them to forgo their automatic rights to a better quality of life than you on the back of your hard work. They are union members and the apes will harm you if you ask for some of your own money back in these hard times.
33

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 10:42:55
31 Alan B
Absolutely. One aspect that causes me concern is that, if Gordon Brown does leave office, the candidates to replace him as leader of the Labour party will offer the Unions various promises/deals to secure their votes in the leadership election.
34

LEAL,

02/09/2008 10:48:45
The traitor brown will do everything in his power to preserve the union,and this is one facett of it.His problem is that more than half of trade union members now support independence.The trade union movement will not be able to retain these members unless the union leadership starts to better reflect the wishes of the membership.Members of the three unions involved will have a better life in an independent Scotland,including better working conditions,and they will increasingly demand their representatives to act in their best interests,as is their duty.
35

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 11:30:52
8/10 Cats

Obviously you know your stuff. Could I ask about the guaranteed early retirement at 55? I was under the impression that although you could retire at this age, your pension was reduced.
36

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 11:33:17
35

I was under the impression a private sector worker can't legally claim their state element to their pension until they are 65. Whereas the public sector worker can draw their state pension when they retire early.

The reductions apply evenly across the board. Private sector workers get their state pension reduced as well, but are expressly prevented from claiming it.

Are you a public sector dolt?
37

Miss H,

02/09/2008 11:37:45
36 You understand wrongly. There is no difference between public sector workers and private sector workers when it comes to the state pension.

38

Miss H,

02/09/2008 11:41:07
31 I agree unions should not be politically aligned but they have been in the past. That's changing in Scotland and maybe it will south of the border too. But it takes time.
39

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 11:41:38
37

It is you that understand wrong.
40

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/09/2008 11:49:18
38
One of the most important rights in a democracy is the right to have free trades unions. Why shouldn't those unions have a political viewpoint and be allowed to express it?
41

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 11:56:34
40

I agree. I think Miss H is a bit of an SNP nutter.

Deny a group of people freedoms of association, freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. Miss H is a meglomaniac, same as most in the SNP.

2 legs bad, 3 legs good. Anyoe who disagrees gets thrown in the Gulag.
42

Vandala,

02/09/2008 11:57:15
32. I am curious to know how somebody can be "under-educated", "over-qualified" and an "idiot" all at the same time.
43

Miss H,

02/09/2008 12:06:25
39 Perhaps you are confused by the fact that public sector staff have occupational pensions?

40 Because the core function of any trade union should be to represent their members interests not the interests of any political party.


44

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/09/2008 12:09:26
43
And who are you to dictate what a free trades union does or doesn't do?
Surely it should be for that organisation to decide?
45

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 12:10:36
#43 Vandala

As opposed to Gordon 'Decisive' Broon, who most certainly IS over-educated, under-qualified and an idiot all at the same time.
46

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 12:11:29
42

SVQ Level 4's in sock puppetry.

Certificate in answering a phone.

Professional accredation of reading a street map.

Fully certified designated member of staff that has completed advanced transgender awareness.

All the other wonderful qualifications the public sector have to justify their enormous remuneration in the admin office.
47

Miss H,

02/09/2008 12:15:54
44 I am not attempting to dictate anything you silly man. I expressed an opinion.

48

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 12:21:46
8/10 Cats

Thanks for the info. No thanks for the uncalled for "dolt."
49

Vandala,

02/09/2008 12:33:35
46. I see. Thank you. It must be tremendously liberating to be so supercilious.
50

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 12:36:57
8/10 Cats

Only a dolt would spell accreditation as accredation.
51

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02/09/2008 12:43:33
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JY,

Innerleithen 02/09/2008 12:48:28
Can I just remind everyone that the Public Sector employs PEOPLE the majority of whom try to do a good job. Whether you agree or disagree with the strike action there is no reason to be disrespectful.
53

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 12:49:59
51 8/10 Cats

I believe I asked you a simple question to start with. You came back with a childish response. Get help.

ps. Who is Methalions?
54

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 12:58:25
53

You've forgotten? You could remember two days ago. You are. There is only one pedant who thinks he needs to decipher random posts on internet fora and research the origins of the phrase "pig turd" to defeat a transexual arch-nemisis.

While some characteristics can be shared between people, I consider that one to be distinctive.
55

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 13:05:31
54

You have now lost me. WTF is my transexual nemesis?

What do you want Cats? Should everyone just leave the thread and let you post your nonsense? Your posts are simply ill-conceived tripe.
Look at your pathetic effort at #1. "If it isn't sausages or Islam they don't want to spend your cash on it." What a load of rubbish. The rest of your stuff is simply trash.
56

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02/09/2008 13:16:59
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"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 13:21:20
56 8/10 Cats

I'll try again. When you state, "Scotland deserves better than the SNP/Labour", who do you suggest?

See? No need to get personal.
58

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 13:24:10
Cats...

"Scotland deserves better than the SNP/Labour."

Who do you suggest?

59

Alan B,

02/09/2008 13:30:21
#Grahamski

"One of the most important rights in a democracy is the right to have free trades unions."

Disagree. I do not think trade union are a fundamental right within a democracy. Trade unions are a way (one way) of trying to address the balance between the workforce and the employer.

If you look back to the 70s and 80s trade unions you could put an argument together that unions actually tried to subvert democracy by not allowing the democractically elected government to implement its policies.


"Why shouldn't those unions have a political viewpoint and be allowed to express it?"

No one is saying unions should not have a political viewpoint and not be allowed to express it. But that is completely different from having a union funding political parties for favours/policies in return. If a political party takes money from a business man and then adjusts his policy eg the Bernie Eccklestone tobacco ban, then it is wrong. It is wrong if unions do the same thing.

Is it beneficial that unions a so closely tied to one party. I would say no. The lib dems were probably the party that was most interested in education for a while, it made sense that teachers unions would recommend them.

Trade unions should be free to advice members which party it supports and free to lobby parties but we need to ensure a clear line between union and political parties for the sake of democracy.

What is the problem with allowing individual party member choose whether they pay a poltical levy by opting in and also choosing which party that money goes to?


60

Miss H,

02/09/2008 13:33:43
The sausages thing seems to rankle with 8/10 cats.

Clearly someone who feels very strongly that politics and sausages don't mix.

While we're on the subject - can I have a transexual nemesis please? I have always wanted one.
61

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 13:39:51
Cats, people will take you more serious if you make valid points.

Sometimes I wonder how old you are your post are so jouvenile...

"Alex Salmond has time for a photo with Scottish sausages" ???"

"Scotland's infrastructure falls " Details???

"top priority" remains unfulfilled" What would that be?

"The health care minister deals with car parks for people who aren't ill," do you agree with these charges.. and are you aware that they also apply to those that work at the hospitals.. many poorly paid like nurses???

The SNP are.."Stupid and unable to work unsupervised to deadlines while prioritising work and resources for the benefit of their clients." This simply serves to highlight your extreme lack of knowledge on current affairs. The SNP has made massive efficiency cuts across the board slashing government departments, quangos etc and demanding better performance and budget savings. These have saved Scottish taxpayers massive amounts of money.

I dont dislike you but you do come acrooss as a little boy trying to converse with grown-ups sometimes.

Your obssession with sausaeges (much as I love them)being a good example.
62

Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 02/09/2008 13:45:49
Difficult to find the correct solution to this problem.

On the one hand you have the general perception of the public sector employees being in a secure and relatively stress free and under performing work environment paid for by our taxes while performing necessary functions. As opposed to the private sector who, certainly in the present market conditions, see themselves as working in an insecure, highly stressed situation that requires individual motivation and result orientated remuneration based on the real world of commercialism. Both of course are generalizations that suffer from the vanities of perception.

This is the underlying problem of the public/private employee situation that seems to be beyond the combined abilities of union/public, private executives and governments to solve. And head to head negotiations based on intransigence is in no way going to lead to a solution.

The present inflationary trend is effected by rises in
the basic commodities of life. To the extent that an increase of 2.5% will not effectively offset the additional costs having to be met by the poorest in society. My suggestion would be to allow incremental increases up to those on £30k per annum, allowing nothing for those above while the present recessive situation continues.

Such a move would take into account those who can reasonably make lifestyle choices while giving some help to those who's choices are limited to those of existence.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 13:51:26
8/10 Cats

You have some issues Cats. Why address posters as thickos and morons?
65

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 13:53:35
Might be your top priority... other people have others.

I suspect you describe the top priority as whatever policy you think you can make capitol against the Government with.

As for "thicko"... read your posts.. they are laughable as EVERY poster on these threads keep pointing out.

We cant all be wrong.
66

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 13:57:28
64 hoots

Because they're stupid.

The NHS exists to serve unwell people. It is clear that citizens with illnesses are the top priority.

When the health minister targets money at people that are well using the NHS (barring staff) then that is not the top priority.

Free "at the point of care." How much care goes on with well people in car parks?

You are a moron and a thicko if you can't see Sturgeon has a problem prioritising work and resources. I think this is what they call willfull negligence in the pursuit of populism.
67

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 14:02:59
8/10 Cats

"You are a moron and a thicko."

Can't you just post responses without all the name-calling? What is the problem? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a moron or thick. Get it?
68

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 14:08:47
67

I agree. What makes them morons and thickos is the fact they think directing NHS money at healthy car owners in fields layered with concrete is an acceptable use of public money.

Disagreeing with someone is okay. Having a moronic view point is also okay, but be prepared to be called a thicko.

Here is £10million in the NHS bank account what shall I spend it on, the sick and the disabled or the healthy and able. A high school economist/head of the debating society would even know the answer.
69

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/09/2008 14:13:25
Thanks Cats.
70

Miss H,

02/09/2008 14:31:00
8/10 Cats is very fruity. And nutty.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me where I can get a transexual nemesis.

71

8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 14:57:53
"autumn of discontent"

Good god. Why not call it autumngate?

Use to be journalism was laughed at as a soft subject, but now it's just worthless.
72

Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 02/09/2008 14:58:45
Miss H. I suspect i'm walking into something here.

But the transexual part can be catered for in Harley Street.

The nemesis by the amount the charge you and when they then tell you, you were and sitll are pregnant.
73

Shaken,

02/09/2008 15:06:12
8/10 Cats

Your posts are nonsensical:

"I agree. What makes them morons and thickos is the fact they think directing NHS money at healthy car owners in fields layered with concrete is an acceptable use of public money."

Engage brain you said in an earlier post:

"Top priority is 1,000 police officers. Slamond was repeatedly on the record before the election on that one...

...then you said "The top priority is the unwell in the NHS you daft git. "

I don't even half to poke holes in your blinkered diatribe; just repeat the rubbish you already wrote.

Vive la SNP - saviour of the moronic!


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8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 15:10:42
73 Shaken

You are an idiot. The top priority is the unwell "in the NHS".

Salmond's top priority "in Scotland" is the police.

What type of a moron are you? No wonder you support the NHS, your mind is bereft of linear thought. You are loopy de loop you tit.

Sturgeon is on the news saying she's restored that sacred principle of "free at the point of delivery." with her car park charges. How much care is "delivered" in car parks to the healthy?

In fact maybe Shaken IS sturgeon, the same morbose lunacy.
75

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 15:57:14
0/10 CATS

You are, as asual, talking complete trash.

You have no grasr on this subject whatsoever.

For your information.... Money raised from car parking charges at hospitals is specificaly disallowed from being used for medical services.

NONE of the money collected from car parking fees is allowed to be used to treat patients.

OWNED!!!
76

ptdoug,

02/09/2008 15:59:22
Not one single penny raised from car parking charges will go to help the "unhealthy, as you (cats) call them.
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8/10 Cats,

02/09/2008 16:01:59
pt doug

That doesn't make any sense you tit.

Strugeon has taken £10,000,000 or more and given it to the NHS for car parking claiming it provides care that is "free at the point of delivery". Although no-one will be treated for free with this money.

Sturgeon could have ignored the parking issue for the time being and instead dealt with a higher priority. Such as giving £10,000,000 to the NHS to treat sick people.

Does the SNP feed you biscuits for being a good boy on here and ignoring reality?

You would rather have people in pain and misery than have your precious clut leaders at the SNP tarnished for being unable to prioritise their workloads.
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morris,

edinburgh 02/09/2008 17:18:02
Now I have heard everything!

BBC Radio Scotland News.(1700)

A UNISON spokesperson is complaining that the removal of parking charges creates a two tier system, with the three PFI hospitals (Labours handiwork of course) being treated unfairly!
They were ALL treated unfairly under Labour .

What a total numpty.

Has she any idea how much it would cost to buy out these contracts?

Give Scotland the money and we will gladly use it to Scotland's benefit.


Coming onto national radio to tell the world you are incapable of a sensible comment is hardly a smart move!

Maybe if the Numpty party had engaged their head when they were in power we wouldn't have to listen to such drivel!

Even the BBC understood it!
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morris,

edinburgh 02/09/2008 17:53:52
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8/10 Cats,
02/09/2008 11:33:17

Some Public Service Union workers have negotiated deals where the Pension which is payable from their employment can be paid earlier per the agreement which applies to that employer.

State Pensions cannot be paid under any arrangement other than normal retirement age, or at least I cannot think of any exceptions.

Some staff may elect to opt for earlier retirement where such an arrangement exists)and can be paid at an enhanced rate,until the state pension is payable,but the amount of state pension is removed at 65 so they receive the same amount with no increase.

They are more likely however,to receive their private works pension at the lower rate and at 65 they receive both.

This is money which is part of a negotiated pay and conditions package and is not an extra, since its part of the annual negotiated Pay and Service negotiations,and whilst they may be negotiated seperately,clearly one may make the other more acceptable .The total package is what is considered by the prospective employee.
Its part of the service conditions in their contract of employment, and is seen as an investment for retiral age, but could just as easily have been a pay rise .The value of any such arrangement does not unfairly advantage Public Servants.Its just part of their overall Pay and Service Package.

Of course different employers will almost certainly have different arrangements agreed with their Union representation.

I recall when I was a bit younger that Local Government Nalgo(now UNISON) members were envious of Gas employees who always seemed to be paid far more for similar grades.Later I realised that the Gas branches were simply better organised,and that's why service conditions and Pay Scales were better.

There is no set pattern and no two Public Services are the same probably.
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Thistledhu,

02/09/2008 21:57:32
Unison amongst others had a timetable for strikes laid out as far back as March lets lay a few myths to rest.

ony 26.000 members actualy voted for a strike.

Shop stewards were intstructed to target the 'less aware' dureing the so called consultation process.

Many chose to go to work dureing the last strike despite it being made difficult for them to do so,
''if you want to work you cant work here you will have to go work with roads'' was one tactic employed against clerical staff at one council basicly open intimidation

Many council workers of wich i am one find themselves trapped in a dispute they do not want or support.
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Vote UKIP,

02/09/2008 22:05:04
Good.

Perhaps you will now see the light and vote UKIP!

 

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