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Princes ransom as oil-rich Arabs target iconic street for £1.35bn



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Published Date: 24 February 2008
IT MAY not mean the first Scottish souk or camel racing in the gardens, but oil-rich Arab investment funds are in talks about buying up the whole of Princes Street.
City councillors who want a world-class redevelopment of Scotland's most famous shopping thoroughfare have been in contact with "sovereign" funds from countries such as Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, which have billions of pounds of surplus oil revenues to invest.

Iconic global locations such as Edinburgh's Princes Street, already a magnet for well-heeled tourists from around the world for its mix of big-brand department stores and unrivalled views, are high on their shopping list.

A takeover of the whole street would reduce the number of owners and help the City of Edinburgh Council towards its goal of turning it into a world-class attraction. Properties with some of the best views in the capital are used as store-rooms when they could be shops, restaurants and cafés.

The street is home to famous names such as Jenners, Marks & Spencer, and a host of other high-street chains, as well as smaller shops and offices. It also hosts the New Club, the city's most prestigious private members' club.

Estimates of the value of the street range up to £1.35bn, effectively small change for the funds. Tom Buchanan, the council's economic development leader, said: "There are people talking to us with access to sovereign funds. They have large amounts of wealth.

"We've had people from those types of funds express an interest, as well as a number of comparatively smaller developers. They would come to us to develop our masterplan."

Asked whether there were funds interested in buying the whole street, he replied: "Yes, that's something we are in talks about."

Although the funds have not been named, the nations with the biggest investment vehicles include the UAE, with £445bn, the Kuwait Investment Authority with £200bn, the Qatar Investment Authority with £60bn and the Investment Corporation of Dubai with £7.5bn. Council officials said the Sultan of Brunei – whose fund is worth around £11bn – was not involved in talks.

Tim Mackay, deputy leader of the economic development committee, said Arab investment funds "are looking to the day that oil runs out and they want projects that can provide a solid income stream".

Property expert Keith Dobson, head of Edinburgh Commercial at Savills, said: "Edinburgh is still seen as a major international investment centre. But the problem with Princes Street is that it has developed in a haphazard nature – historic shops that are twee, but don't fit modern property portfolios – and so it is a complicated buy. As well as big institutional owners there are a lot of small, single ownerships."

Arab investment funds were, however, looking for outlets for their money following oil price rises. "They are looking to invest that cash in foreign countries and the UK has always been seen as a steady investment home. The UK is looking good value for money now."

In recent years, Princes Street has seen its fortunes fade as consumers have opted to shop in out-of-town centres. Retail property values, which were formerly the highest in the UK outside London, have been overtaken by Glasgow's Buchanan Street and by the Braehead Shopping Centre.

The council would like to redevelop the entire street to counter criticism that it is letting a world-class asset wither on the vine.

But a major problem is multiple ownership. Reducing the number of owners from 120 – which range from major London-based and Scottish equity houses to single shops – would simplify the task.

Donald Anderson, a former leader of the council, said: "It wouldn't matter who the owners were, but if there were a smaller amount of owners it would be beneficial. Any investment of that kind would be welcomed."

Insiders believe that under the present ownership pattern, the timescale for a completed sovereign fund takeover would be up to 10 years, as potential buyers would have to track down owners and strike a series of complicated deals.

The most expensive locations are those blocks towards the east end of the city centre, nearest to the development of the St James Centre and of St Andrew Square. Commercial property experts estimate each of the seven blocks along Princes Street could command between £100m and £150m on the open market, leading to a total of around £1.35bn.

Two 'modest-sized' shops – the Orange shop at 133 Princes Street and the T-Mobile store at No 21– are to go up for sale for around £4m each this week.

Even at such figures, major owners, such as Glasgow-based Equitable Life Assurance, London-based Goodman Property Investors, SAL Pension Fund, Axa Equity, Marks & Spencer and Jenners Property Ltd, may be reluctant to sell.

Alasdair Humphery, director of capital markets at Jones Lang LaSalle Edinburgh, said compulsory purchases may be needed.

A spokeswoman for the Edinburgh City Centre Management Group, said: "It's exciting because if this comes off it could well be a great thing for the revitalisation of Princes Street."

Rob Winter, spokesman for the Princes Street Traders Association, said: "If an international investment company were to come along to make things happen and develop Princes Street into a truly world-class destination, then I think we would welcome that."

M&S owns a flagship store on Princes Street, but a spokeswoman said it was "unaware" of any potential Arab suitors.

EYEING UP PRINCES STREET?

The Abu Dhabi Investment Authority is chaired by Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahyan, President of the United Arab Emirates, and has an estimated worth of more than £400bn.

It is the largest single shareholder of Citigroup, the largest American financial services company.

The group manages Abu Dhabi's oil and gas reserves, which account for 95% of the total reserves in the UAE. It also owns a sizeable share of the Arab International Bank.

The Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (GIC) is chaired by Lee Kuan Yew, who was the first prime minister of the former British colony. It is worth £150bn and has string of high-profile investments across the world.

The Qatar Investment Authority, worth £60bn, is headed by chairman and chief executive Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, son of the head of the Qatari ruling family.

It already has a series of major investments in London property with holdings including Chelsea Barracks and One Hyde Park, which is a complex of 82 luxury flats that have sold for as much as £100m each. It also owns 20% of the London Stock Exchange and has reportedly been interested in buying up Sainsbury's supermarket chain.

The Brunei Investment Agency is chaired by Hassanal Bolkiah Mu'izzaddin Waddaulah, the Sultan of Brunei and is worth £15bn. BIA owns property in the US, Japan, and Western Europe

The Kuwait Investment Authority, with £100bn of assets, is the Kuwait's government investment arm and was founded to manage oil funds and its subsequent investments across the globe.

THE OWNERS

Many of the buildings on Princes Street are owned by external investment companies, the most prominent of which include The Equitable Life Assurance Society, Prudential Investment Managers Ltd and F&C Commercial Property Trust Limited. Altogether, these organisations own approximately 85% of the buildings on Princes Street.

The Equitable Trust leases its properties to organisations as diverse as the Scottish Conservative Party and Superdrug, Prudential leases to clients such as Starbucks and Clinton Cards, while F&C mainly owns office blocks. Companies such as Marks & Spencer, Boots and fast-food giant McDonald's own their own premises.

Princes Street was originally named by George III, after his sons.

The full article contains 1290 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Andrew Buchan,

Kincardineshire 24/02/2008 00:18:23
Let me have a think.

When I toddle down to the shops to buy my paper, what do I want - a free book of Weegie insults from this lot or a free DVD of a classic film from the Mail on Sunday.

And they wonder why no-one buys this paper anymore?
2

Aýrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 00:34:01
I want the free book of weegie insults. I will be buying the paper first thing!
3

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 01:13:59
I want a newspaper that does investigative reporting on the corruption of New Labour ans asks the questions on why the Lothian & Borders Police Service seems to be hell bent on conducting a witch hunt on Tommy Sheridan by using his wife as a tool to get revenge. Personally I could give a keek on Tommy Sheridans Politics or his sexual dalliances, but i do care about a Police service that sets itself up as a judge jury and executioner of someone who has upset them in someway.I certainly hope I am selected for Jury duty on his trial. The man and his wife would never receive a guilty verdict from me until I had the full story of WHY? And certainly would find anyone innocent of attacking a Newspaper like the new of the world (yes lower case)which has done so much to lower the morality standards of our society.

Its time for an inquiry into this witch hunt by the old establishment especially since the example of the Whitewash of Wendy Alexander a self confessed breaker of the Law. Come on Alex and Co. get this sorted out now, the fishy smell is showing that Scotland hasnt moved forward that far after all. Its just a reflection that the Brit System of destroying all who oppose them is still a powerfull force in Scotland.
4

W Smith,

Middle East 24/02/2008 02:44:20
So royal families, who are into capitalism big time and enforce the death penalty, are welcome in Edinburgh.

So long as the guy in the photo isn't white, British or protestant thats okay then eh?

BTW
Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al-Makhtoum, in the photo, is the guy financing the Islamic college in Dundee while he has helped make Dubai the sex capital of the Middle East.

Comments from our resident militant Osama Saeed are most welcome.




5

Alec M,

Falkirk 24/02/2008 03:19:31
#2 It seems you get a depiction of Charles Kennedy (PC, MP, AA) on the cover.
6

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24/02/2008 05:37:59
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7

Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 24/02/2008 05:49:22
glad I left when I did.
Looks like Scotia is going to the pack, sadly.
8

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 24/02/2008 05:55:00
It is attitudes like 4 above that keep Scotland were it is, nowhere!
9

Encephalon,

24/02/2008 06:11:29
#4 well said-having worked in a number of locations in the middle east Dubai is the most corrupt environment in the region and prostitution is indeed rife there.
10

subrosa,

24/02/2008 06:35:04
I never thought I'd see the day when Princes Street was sold off enblock like this. Unbelievable Edinburgh could even consider it. There must be strict residency rules applied please other legal ties if this does come to pass.

I'm getting angry typing this. How dare Edinburgh councillors think they can sell off Scotland in this way. They want their city to be the best there is, then they should have a wee trip to the middle east and look at some there. Dubai may have the only 7 star hotel in the world but it is definitely a them and us society, much more than Scotland is at present.
11

An Beal Bacht,

24/02/2008 07:09:32
If Scots had control of North Sea oil from the start we'd be the ones with cash and have no need to go begging for arabs to come and buy our Capital City.
12

The Trossachs Hasher,

24/02/2008 07:26:34
Does anyone know why Britain is the poorest oil rich nation in the world, whose oil revenues seem to disappear down a financial black hole?

Every other nation which has oil as a major commodity seems to do very well for itself and it's citizens. Yet all we see in Britain is constant budget and cost cutting.

We should be buying up Princes Street, not foreigners.
13

Navvy,

24/02/2008 07:35:33
Princes Street is mostly tat with few building of any historic or architeectural merit. There was a time when ther was a plan for a first floor pavement. You can see it on a few buildings. A good idea but the pavements look narrow and it cam to naught.

Article says that the property is largely owned by big players so why has the council done nothing to date? It is a magnificent street, unique in having but a few buildings on the castle side.

Of course the tram lines and their overhead cables will spoil all that.

If you take Dubai or Singapore or any one of many dynamic asian cities then it is possible to have a fine new street within 10 years.

If city planners used their brains ther could be an underground 2 way road with service access to shops all along Princes Street and Shandwick place with car parking out of site under the gardens leaving the main street free for the bloody trams, buses, taxis and cycles. This is the obvious route which would take the pressure off Queen Street.

Please note that there are basements under all the buildings and the height is there in made ground which is easily removed.

Will we ever learn to thing big in our planning and infrastructure?
14

Navvy,

24/02/2008 07:36:34
Oh and who cares who owns it. It can easily be nationalised when the middle eastern oil runs out and our tide power commands a world market
15

Pocket Dictionary,

24/02/2008 07:42:10
Interesting on the number of stories that can't be commented on today.

Yet Tommy Sheridan can make all the digs he wants on his radio show.
16

Hermon Mihranian,

budapest 24/02/2008 07:50:10
Investment is very important. The oil income in the arab countries must be used to nourish the economy in Scotland. I dont see why we cant benefit from it.
17

eric,

Lothian 24/02/2008 08:06:45
Hilarious.
18

donald,

glasgow 24/02/2008 08:11:42
London needs our oil to subsidise themselves.

As for the Tommy Sheridan comments. How crude can Lothian and Borders Police get. Are they in the pay of the News of the Screws too?
19

donald,

glasgow 24/02/2008 08:13:29
I'd rather have Al Fayeed than Gordon Fatheid.
20

donald,

glasgow 24/02/2008 08:14:31
I'd rather be an Arab than a Brit.
21

eric,

Lothian 24/02/2008 08:26:03
The poor & middle class are living in Livingston as it is.!
22

Joe,

Livingston 24/02/2008 08:28:53
#10..If Edinburgh Cllrs wanted the best for
Edinburgh they should have fought for the
original Edinburgh Airport Rail Link instead of trying to appease anti-airport Nimbys?
23

thinking,

Scotland 24/02/2008 08:46:51
It's on a par with most utility companies and big businesses these days, bought out by foreign nationals.
What of any part of Britain is truly British these days? (or if you are thinking just Scotland, how much of Scotland is still Scottish?)
24

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 24/02/2008 08:47:10
Its strange how the paper has stopped running anything on Caltongate now that there are words like donations and Labour involved,you can catch up here though
http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/2008/02/caltongate-developers-funded-labour.html
25

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 24/02/2008 08:52:21
Brits have bought great chunks of several alien countries over the years, so it's hard to see how we can object when we are bought up in turn by aliens. At least they can't take Princes Street home with them. Also, if they want changes we don't want our planners can stop them (brown envelopes permitting).

Remember that Auf Wiedesehn Pet story where the Tyne Bridge was sold to the US? Why don't we sell the FRB to the Saudis and use the money to help pay for its replacement?
26

cleaning the bathroom,

in the kitchen. 24/02/2008 08:54:35
as long as it gets rid of that awful tourist tatty shop with the scottish pipes blaring out - how the hell did that get permission to open up?

Edinburgh welcomes you with open arms !!
27

Media 1,

cape town 24/02/2008 08:55:25
Princes Street is not great is it?
George Street is where it happens......
Pity these Arabs cant make their own countries look like something worthwhile, but then again, it seems that its only western nations who plough the success back into the communities, hence the difference in fortunes.
28

kia ora,

new zealand 24/02/2008 09:12:17
Having left my home town Edinburgh 43 years ago [and still very proud of it] Princes St.has been a sad site the 3 times I have returned, I started my working life employed in the big one that stood on the corner of the West End in those days known as Binns. I found the street dirty and a lot of the smaller shops takky and grubby with sleezzy staff and owners, and for the #ucan beggers they should have been given the short shift from the start. We had them here in Wellington NZ but a few complaints to the council and the police gave them their marching orders. It doesn't realy matter to me who puts the money up but the sooner the better. Ediburgh I still love you and the people, Best Wishes
29

kia ora,

New Zealand 24/02/2008 09:19:29
26 your on the button.

# and thats my job too. [cleaning the bathroom]
30

Gilmartin,

Philippines 24/02/2008 09:25:54
I wonder if he'll introduce patrols by Religious Police to chop off the hands of shoplifters on the spot?
31

Steve Evans,

Malta 24/02/2008 09:33:54
Imagine watching everyone walking around with table cloths on their heads and Scottish lassies being told to cover up!
32

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 09:57:26
#7
Stewart we are glad you left when you did as well. Who needs these 'going to the dogs' quotes from ex pats that are now, according to the current fantasy theme, living in some southern hemisphere utopia? Keep these remarks for your kangaroo killing cousins please.
33

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 10:08:35
Oh, let them purchase Princes Street.

Anything is better than having to endure tatty shops, vomit-strewn sidewalks, p*ss-smelling entranceways, and binge-drinking lager-louts and "persons for sexual hire" of all sexes and the general "down-at-the-heel feel of that formerly grand street.
34

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife Website 24/02/2008 10:15:06
Seems a good idea, with £1.35bn, part of the money could be used to rebuild another 'proper' - no tat - Princes street for the tourists, somewhere more convenient. This would allow the 'tat' Princess street to become a pedestrian free zone, and we could have a decent flow of car traffic, and trolley buses (the other part of the money could be used to prosecute TIE and scrap the trams).

What the new owners want to do with a collection of burger bars and tat emporiums is up to them. Hopefully we could buy the place back from them at a knockdown price following independence, and if they would not sell, then at least we could then keep the receipts from the rates..

On a serious theme, it is interesting to note that it appears to be 'oil money' buying up Princes street, what a shame that we in Scotland don't have have this advantage........................... Yet!

Mr Brown, please switch off the lights on the way out!





Yours etc


Angus Whitton
35

Boring comment detective,

Edin 24/02/2008 10:47:17
#33
So is that what its like in Ottawa? I can see no resemblance from your description of any street in Edinburgh. "persons for sexual hire of all sexes"??? LOL!!!
36

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 24/02/2008 11:01:42
Why bother?

Why only one wife?
37

Astarte,

Giffnock 24/02/2008 11:03:35
Why not just sell the whole country to someone who can make it work and even get the people to work.
38

Maurice,

Fife 24/02/2008 11:04:38
Well britain, you invited capitalism, welcomed it now live with it. Just a pity there are others in the world with more capital and soon they will own you. next? enter sharia law???
39

Euan,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 11:12:58
We've got the Gold Brothers taking over the high street and now it looks like Arabs are going to buy Princes Street.

Whatever next?
40

HIBERNIAN5,

A SUNNY MORAY GARDEN 24/02/2008 11:19:30
WHOOPIE A DISNEY STYLE GOLF COMPLEX FOR ABERDEEN NOW AN ARABIAN RACEHORSE COURSE DELUXE STYLE FOR PRINCESS ST NOW WATCH THE TOURISTS ARRIVE
41

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 24/02/2008 11:26:55
Why is the "North Britishman" repeating this utter drivel from the other day?


Scandinavian countries have strict rules and a 10/15 year buffer policy(the buyer must live here for 10/15 years and show that he integrates with community and has the contextual interests of the area he wishes to buy).


The entire point I make is respect for our own ground and only letting those who champion Scotlands interests here, or - for acquisition of territory- the same context.
42

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 24/02/2008 11:30:15
I expect the perpetrators for even suggesting this utterly insane sell out will have a strange "accident" shortly.

Then they should be tried for crimes against Scotland.
43

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 24/02/2008 11:32:06
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Oil-barons-in-talks-.3809402.jp
44

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 11:33:03
35

How true. Here in Canada's capital we have similar streets where drag queens and persons who have undergone "sexual reassignment" pending their tawdry wears to all and sundry - even when it is -35Celsius and in BROAD DAYLIGHT!

SCANDALOUS! And this within sight of Rideau Hall - the official residence of our Governor-General, Michaelle Jean, from Haiti.
45

Gothic Rose,

24/02/2008 11:37:44
Well Darling Tim,Re. Bcd.#35 Respondez s`il vous plait.
46

Boring comment detective,

24/02/2008 11:38:57
#44
Tim, I think you need urgent treatment. You clearly have some major sexual hangups.
47

Calum Crubag,

24/02/2008 11:42:39
#3 - agree. I don't necessarily support Tommy and all he says/does but there is a witch hunt against him. He's obviously made some powerful enemies in the New Labour establishment. The cops should get on the steets instead of playing Judge Dredd in Gayfield Square.
48

zigzag,

Canada 24/02/2008 12:05:51
Hey any of you jokers ever think of getting Lizzie II and Heritage Charlie to pony (horse racing quip) and buy the street.

Is the SNP going to lt this happen?
Is Donald in the race?

So many questions. No more booze? helpmebob

49

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 12:35:00
#46

And what EXACTLY would they be, oh presumptuous one?

I am just as normal/abnormal as the next human being with a variety of tastes in EVERTHING and am considered "interesting", "special", and "thought-provoking".

From which planet are YOU broadcasting from?
50

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 13:11:26
That Arab States have sufficient money to buy up the whole of Princes Street for me is far less important than the fact that they can afford to do it in the first place.

70 or 80 years ago they were tribal, desert economies. Oil and Gas has allowed them to buy large swathes of America and London.

Airlines like Emirates and Kuwait are among the best in the world, some Arab airports are as good as it gets. Kuwait has one of the best road systems on the planet. It snakes out through the desert to cover every part of the country.

Infrastructure in Oil rich Arab countries is better after 40 years of modernisation using Oil and Gas revenues (which the UK and America exploited till they threw us out) than Scotland has 200+ years after the Industrial Revolution.

If we don't want to bring our wealth into our own control we deserve richer nations to come in and buy us up lock, stock and barrel.

Jenners, I might add, is a corner shop compared to some of the large stores in Arab countries and the St Jame's Centre is like stalls set up in a garage compared to Middle Eastern Malls.

Clearly we don't seem to mind another country controlling our wealth. How big of us.

51

tommy,

belfast uk 24/02/2008 13:33:13
Remember at one time someone let the grey squirrel into this country
52

Boring comment detective,

24/02/2008 14:19:17
#49
Get back into the cage you crawled from. There is nothing you are writing here that describes any of the decriptions YOU think you fit. Don't you have anything better to do on planet Canada? Kill a few more seal pups or something nice like that?
53

Crewedaddy,

Kent 24/02/2008 14:26:06
To answer someone's earlier question about their wealth compared to this island's oil riches, it's because they float on it, it's just under the sand instead of 4 miles under the North Sea and when it gets up there's only a handful of people to spend it on. In the meantime, they all club together and hold the world to ransom by hoiking up prices whenever they can. Norway is the nearest example Europe has - same reserves as us with only 1/15th of the population. But their oil and gas profits they put into their social fund allowing them to look after their population properly. Incidentally, a population that repays that largesse by not going on the sick at any given opportunity and wanting something for nothing all the time. They also pay their taxes instead of making an industry out of trying to avoid them. That gives them the highest standard of living on earth. Now that the pink hackles have fully risen, that desert oil money should be paid back to the hundreds of thousands of Asian slave labourers they employed to build the infrastructure they enjoy instead of being used just to make themselves richer in ways that are very probably against Sharia law anyway.

To be honest, I'd rather visit a tacky Princes St than one that looks just like any other millionaires' playground in any other part of the world. Bagpipes over bling anyday.

54

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 14:57:35
52

IF I were inclined to "kill seal pups" it would be an impossiblility since you need a license, be of aboriginal heritage, and use humane methods (TAKE THAT BRIGITTE BARDOT AND THAT DISGRACEFUL HEATHER MILLS!)

Also, going on the ice floes with my entourage may stain my Joan Crawford "come-f**k-me" silk pumps and perhaps besmirch my Vivienne Westwood wrap and John Galliano fur stole.
55

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 15:51:08
Maybe our friends from the east could buy Scotsman Newspapers and give them a much needed overhaul as well.
56

HEN BROON 5,

NOT IN EDINBURGH 24/02/2008 15:52:57
If some one whom keeps a wife called "Princees Hiya Bint" wants to buy Princess Street, then either April the 1st has come early, or the inmates of Carstairs have taken over Edinburgh. The place ought to be fenced in and left to get on with it, a Scottish Jurassic Theme Park.

ALBA GU BRATH
57

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 15:53:30
Seriously, this could be a very good thing if it allows the City to overhaul the entire street into something much better. If not, what difference does it make who owns it?
58

Out There Somewere,

Princess Street 24/02/2008 15:58:03
I cannot believe that these Idiots in the Scottish Gov
Would ever consider selling of Princes Street to the same people who sponsor terrorists?
Do you want tourists to walk along Princes Street known that the Street was bought and paid for in BLOOD MONEY.
How many people have died, and will die knowing that the Scottish Gov is in bed with the terrorist sponsors.
How sad it has become for Scotland the land that I LOVE to stoop to this level.
God Bless ALL these British Soldiers who are over there in that hate filled land trying to keep the hate over there, And here is Scotland opening the doors and welcoming in the same gutless hate filled cowards was has blood money to spend
Maybe there will be camel races on Princes Street
At least now the all the muslums and terrorists can meet on Princes Street knowning that there cash provider bought it for them.
God Help us all.
59

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 16:15:01
#59 - "God Bless ALL these British Soldiers who are over there in that hate filled land trying to keep the hate over there."

Judging by your comments they haven't succeded.
60

Big Irv,

NJ USA 24/02/2008 16:16:05
The Japanese tried buying up the US and went broke doing it.

Be glad the offer is not being made by Saudi Arabia with it's radical religious philosophy.
61

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 24/02/2008 16:17:33
"Seriously, this could be a very good thing if it allows the City to overhaul the entire street into something much better"

Duh? What does overhaul mean? Demolish some nice old Victorian buildings and replace them with modern concrete/steel shopping mall rubbish?

No thanks, it's fine as it is.....
62

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 16:29:25
#62
Joe - No, it means keep the nice old Victorian buildings but demolish the modern buildings that detract from the street, and remodel the whole street as per the Councils wishes.
63

Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 24/02/2008 16:39:42
54...Timmy Chaz.....let me take your wee doggie for a walk on the ice....then I'l crack his skull with a big fat club.........then you get back to me and tell me that it is humane...oh, and preferably his mother will be watching...stricken as she is unable to protect her offspring that I have just silenced........
64

MichScot,

USA 24/02/2008 17:33:17
So what will one then be able to buy on Princes Street? Lots of Koran stores, I'm sure, but I'll bet anything from any other religion will be banned.

I suppose burkas will be fashionable. Will one still be able to buy the kilts and pipes and Harris tweed? And so on?

How many Scottish products will lose out?
65

Alasdair Roy,

Aberdeen 24/02/2008 17:53:36
This is a seriously bad idea. This is not a market venture like Donald Trump wanting to build a golf course in the North East. These are the sovereign funds of countries which may not be our friends in the longer term. Political considerations as well as the need for a return will enter into the process. What we will get will be an increase in the size of the Islamic footprint in Scotland and a further degradation of public life. Because these people have the resources to suborn, rent or corrupt the officials and cooncillors who will be involved in the process and they will not hesitate to do so.
66

Ken Doig,

Bass Lake, California 24/02/2008 17:59:41
If we sell our heritage, can one still be a Presbyterian?
67

zigzag,

Canada 24/02/2008 18:13:13
67 Ken Doig,Bass Lake, California 24/02/2008 17:59:41
If we sell our heritage, can one still be a Presbyterian?

Yeyou can Ken; however you will need to get circumcised what is keeping with the law of oil-rich Arabs nations. Ouchie Ken
68

Bilious1,

Scotland 24/02/2008 18:13:29
I think it is time we faced the obvious. The reason why Princes Street is not what it used to be is because Scotland is not what it used to be.

London doesn't need wealth funds to buy up Oxford Street to bring it up to standard because London is doing just fine on its own.

If we want out streets to look nicer, we have to look at why they are so deprived.

SOCIALISM has ruined this country. It is time to go back to out much more successful Adam Smith economics that made this country great.

What happened to all our industries? Socialism flushed them down the toilet.

69

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....captured from Mexico 1845 24/02/2008 18:16:47
Why is it the the Scotsman will remove a comment like the one in #2,

"Princess Haya bint al–Hussein, is really a good looking chick,and s*xy looking, With blue eyes for an Arab."

I have inserted (*) in place of (e), to establish if the Scotsman's software is programmed to remove certain words, so as to remain "politically correct".

Most of these politically correct programs exclude words like Kill or Rape.

GC
70

awfyvexed,

Royal Mile 24/02/2008 18:49:40
Well said #69.....Scotland is not what it used to be and neither are most of the Scots.
No longer the deprived nation we were, I believe the bairns are going to be taught Scottish history now.
They'll need coonsillin' when they find oot Mel Gibson's no even Sco'ish and it's no the English we should be blamin' fir oor doonfa'

We wiz betrayed by oor ane folk...lairds and maistirs.. and their descendants still reaping the reward o' that treachery..plus ça change....
71

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 18:54:31
#66
"Because these people have the resources to suborn, rent or corrupt the officials and cooncillors who will be involved in the process and they will not hesitate to do so."

Alasdair - have you not noticed that we have endemic political corruption in the UK already?

I don't see why being Arab owned would lead to some sort of Islamic influence as suggested by some posters but if it did perhaps it would be a positive effect. You could walk down Princes St. in safety at any time of the day and night, your chances of being physically or verbally abused by the drunk and sober, no litter - bring it on!
72

CASEY PURVIS,

WEST HILLS 24/02/2008 19:26:49
why don't you guys cut up scotland into small pieces and sell it around the world. then it would be gone.
then they could just run us off our land again. all of it
better yet then they could convert us to be killer islamics and teach us how to kill lots of people.
princess street does not belong to some money grubbers.
it belongs to all scots.
i don't want to see glitzy. i get that in america.
it has no value in my heart.
don't change princess street. it belongs to me and all scots.
casey purvis
calif, usa
73

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 24/02/2008 20:48:04
58
Hamish Scott,

Are you totally void of reality ?

Some one who develops a site has enormous control over what happens in the new buildings, as the ruthlessly corrupt deals for Mountgrange (Caltongate) allow english buisness right in the door pissing on our doorstep. Exactly the same would occur if your let some corrupt oil magnate from a retrogressive swamped religious state in to control the build and the contents not forgetting all the tasteless cak they would bring - you think the Gold Bros is bad !
74

Douglas,

Bathgate 24/02/2008 20:55:16
Princess street is not an issue here Casey. Now Princes Street is another matter altogether.
Lang may your lum reek in your heilan' hame, etc.
75

WKKB,

24/02/2008 21:29:36
How Stupid is that idea and the city councillors are so money hungry they'll sell Scotland right out from under the Scots just so they can look good. I'm sorry to say the Arabs, Pakistani and other nations are taking over the streets of Scotland and England quicker than the Scots can give birth to more Scots. The Hospital I work at is filled with Foreign Drs and consultants, barely speaking english well enough to tell the patients what's wrong with them. The Scottish Drs are put on a back burner because we have to enforce equal rights, what about equal rights for our native born? I'm not a racist at all but what happens to Scotland when there's not room left for the Scots? For what the taxpayers are paying for this tram business the city could have done a bang up start to renovating Princes Street. Just get your priorities straight but whatever you do... Don't take their money for the love of Scotland DON'T TAKE IT!
76

WKKB,

24/02/2008 21:33:49
#72 you write "perhaps it would be a positive effect. You could walk down Princes St. in safety at any time of the day and night, your chances of being physically or verbally abused by the drunk and sober, no litter - bring it on!"

So why don't most tourists want to travel to the countries mentioned in this article? Because they simply don't feel safe any longer? Her sir, a nice suicide bomb with your tea!

Ok so maybe fewer drunks but we'll all be wearing silk and bangles.
77

WKKB,

24/02/2008 21:36:49
#63 says "No, it means keep the nice old Victorian buildings but demolish the modern buildings that detract from the street, and remodel the whole street as per the Councils wishes."

Don't you mean as Arab oil wishes?
78

jerrymanders,

Piping up for Scotland. 24/02/2008 21:57:03
Well Oil be damned.
79

iainy,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 22:34:37
As a weegie who has spent many happy hours in Edinburgh I agree with #27, Princes Steet is not pretty and nothing but a tourist trap. Go on sell it, take them for as much as you can get and have a belter of a party.

The Labour Party lost control of the Scottish Parliament because of the demise of SSP and so have much to gain by Tommy's political revival. It would seem perverse to suggest that the Labour Party would have it in for him. The snp on the other hand.....
80

Drum Major,

Australia 24/02/2008 23:03:36
This is definately selling off the farm. Once you have sold the country to islamic ownership you can have independance from Britain as the Islamic Republic of Scotland. Beats wasting time trying to replace Labour & Tories with SNP. This is a much faster way. Brilliant!!!
81

Boab,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 23:32:21
Muslims are supposed to be dirt-poor and trying to out-breed us in order to install Sharia law. Are they, in fact, filthy rich and willing to invest in the tat shops of Auld Reekie?

Funny old way to conquer the world.
82

Evia,

24/02/2008 23:49:44
78 WKKB says

For what the taxpayers are paying for this tram business the city could have done a bang up start to renovating Princes Street. Just get your priorities straight but whatever you do... Don't take their money for the love of Scotland DON'T TAKE IT!

How true that is. Prices street was vandalised years ago by the local council who allowed the demolition of fine old buildings and the building of modern tat. The money spent on the trams could have begun to put right some of the damage.

What good is a Princes street owned by Arabs to the general public? what we would end up with is more stores that the average person can't afford to shop in.

It would be wrong to sell out to Arabs or other foreign buyers. Scotland is fast becoming less like Scotland and many of us are sick of all the changes.
83

indune1,

25/02/2008 01:22:33

Now is the time for Alex Salmond to prove his mettle. Override these cowardly, corrupt city concillors and say that one of Scotland's most famous streets is not for sale.

Just ask yourseleves: what is the interest of a gaggle of rich Arab sheiks in Prince's St?

Preservation? Restoration? Nah. Just create a playground where they can flout their so-called religion - drink, fornicate and defecate - all while their wives are back home.

For Chris*'s sake, Scotland, wake up!!!

84

indune1,

25/02/2008 01:25:25
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85

indune1,

25/02/2008 01:25:52
OOps last posting was a slip!
86

Fanling,

25/02/2008 09:20:26
#25 Rulesbutnotrulers

It wasn't the Tyne Bridge that was "sold". It was the Transporter Bridge on Teesside.
87

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 25/02/2008 10:21:39
64 Doreen

How dare you compare apples and oranges and bring my beloved black Lab into the equation.

This controversy will continue as long as there are nutheads like Brigitte Bardot, that tart Heather Mills, and PETA.

Our Inuit have the historic right to hunt in this manner and who are we to change historic precedent and a way of life for Canada's indigenous people's.

Entirely to much simplistic politicial correctness here, Dorie dear.
88

Smackhead,

25/02/2008 18:21:51
#93 Tim,
I think you will find it is most certainly NOT your historic or any other 'right' as your wrong headed garbage states here to kill these defensless animals in this manner. One of the reasons the rest of the world hates your country is because the slime of humanity that carry this out enjoy it so much. On the other hand line these same people up on the ice and I will be the first of thousands to volunteer to carry out the clubbings. On them.
89

Smackhead,

25/02/2008 18:30:55
#93
Oh Tim, I forgot to say, add yourself to the group on the ice. You seem like a real AR@@HOL@. Stick that in your simplistic politicial correctness book Tim dear.

 

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