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'Prattling Wendy Alexander doing SNP's work' blasts Labour stalwart



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Published Date: 28 March 2008
SCOTTISH Labour Leader Wendy Alexander has come under fire from inside her own party for "prattling on" about constitutional change.
Former Labour Scottish Office Minister Brian Wilson accused her of doing the SNP's job for them by setting up a Commission on more powers for Holyrood.

He said he would rather have a referendum on independence than the "incremental nonsense of fid
dling about with powers".

Mr Wilson's comments came as delegates gather in Aviemore for Scottish Labour's first conference since Ms Alexander became leader.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown was addressing the conference this afternoon and Ms Alexander is due to speak tomorrow.

Earlier this week Ms Alexander joined Tory and Liberal Democrat leaders at Holyrood to launch the independent Scottish Constitutional Commission to come up with recommendations on extending devolution.

But Mr Wilson was scathing about the initiative. In an interview for STV's Politics Now, he said: "Wendy Alexander is very much part of the presiding influences in Labour politics over the past 20 years in Scotland who have decided that politics is really about constitutions and commissions and the more we set up the better life must be.

"As long as Labour continues to go down what is essentially a nationalist agenda of commissions and constitutions and tampering with this and tampering with that the outcome is pretty predictable – the beneficiaries will be the nationalists.

"Labour and the others who have joined them in this venture are doing the job for them."

Labour has so far rejected the SNP's proposal of a multi-option referendum where voters would be asked to choose between independence, the status quo or enhanced devolution.

But Mr Wilson said: "To be honest I would rather have a referendum than this sort of incremental nonsense of fiddling about with powers."

And he added: "I fail to understand why the people who have created Labour's difficulties in Scotland seem to learn nothing and keep on making the same mistakes."

Labour's Lothians-based Euro MP David Martin said he agreed: "She needs to concentrate on the issues that matter to people in the streets.

"I said we should call Alex Salmond's bluff, have a referendum – yes or no on independence – a short sharp debate and get it out of the way."

The Prime Minister was expected to use his speech to bolster Ms Alexander's position and launch a strong attack on the SNP.

He was due to tell delegates: "Scotland stands on the brink of unprecedented prosperity but is held back by an Executive that doesn't understand the modern world and has no plan except to retreat from it. Labour will fight on the side of our community – with parents, with pupils, with tenants, with patients, with pensioners. We will be their last line of defence, the people's party."





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  • Last Updated: 28 March 2008 12:23 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

AJ Fife,

28/03/2008 10:41:59
Very astute of Mr Wilson to call it as it is!

We've been saying it for months now, Mr Salmond has the Unionists dancing to his tune!LOL
2

The Master,

28/03/2008 11:07:15
The setting up of the constitutional commission hardly constitutes participation in a “nationalist agenda”. Many countries throughout the world have devolved powers to a much greater extent than the UK and the granting of further powers to the parliament would only render the SNP’s independence agenda increasingly irrelevant, as there is no real desire in Scotland for full separation. As to David Martin’s call for a yes or no referendum, he’s the one who’s participating in a “nationalist agenda”. Once he loses, everyone knows that Salmond will be relieved of the deadweight of the separation policy and free to build on his personal popularity (mystifying as it is to many of us) while continuing his guerrilla tactics against Westminster.
3

Sgurr,

28/03/2008 11:32:20
Master - very dictatorial of you to decide that, "there is no real desire in Scotland for full separation." Is this based upon the fact we have a nationalist government for the first time, or the opinion polls that show increasing support for Salmond and his ideals?

You say one thing, I say another, what is the problem with a referendum? It is democracy...unless you think that as there is no groundswell of opinion against the Labour Party in 2001, that we didn't need to bother with a general election?

As for Brian Wilson's comments - well, it is interesting to occasionally hear what those on the inside think, though always with the pinch of salt that comes with politicians of all types.
4

Brian M,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 12:13:46
the LondonControlledScottish Labour Party is definitely on the way back, its leader is The Best Wee Prattler in the World
5

Proximaking,

Dundee 28/03/2008 12:23:08
Triple the amount of money we give this Labour government and they'll simply dole it out to the usual suspects ALL of whom are either in the public employ or are sitting on "invalidity" or a pension. And it won't make any of the services better or anyone any happier. The only "unprecedented prosperity" we need is to get a government in power that understands people and doesn't just feel sorry for them in a soppy unthinking way but will make the hard choices now to make them happier tomorrow. Bevin and the rest must be spinning in their graves when they look at those "New Labour" lavish real working people's cash on, the lazy, the so-called "disabled" who can't work in an office but can send 200 e-mails to their chums every day who are also sitting on disability. Sad to say a complete collapse of the Western economy would do more for the future happiness of people in this country than giving "New Labour" more money because it would reset the reality button and show us just who produces wealth and believe it or not it is no-one, not one, who takes a pay-cheque from the government or local government, or the NHS, or any of the other myriads of people out there who pretend to be public servants but are actually fleecers of the public purse who drive many of the public into dependency on them so they can feel better about themselves. Are the public services worthy of any public money? Increasingly it seems to me they aren't.
6

Stefania Alvarez,

28/03/2008 12:25:55
Probably the best thing New Labour did was pick airheads to lead it in Scotland.

Look at them Margaret Curran ... hopeless;

Cathie Jamieson ... clueless

Wendy Alexander is just icing on the cake.

Almost makes Alex Salmond look like an intellectual heavy-weight.


How Sad !!!!

This so-called parliament is a farce.
Shut Hollyrood down ... instead of more powers.

Scotland deserves better than this embarressing bunch of useless nobody's
7

cataibh,

Bo'ness 28/03/2008 12:26:20
Ms Alexander wants more power for Holyrood.
The Tory/Lib Dems wants to leave things as they are.
SNP wants full independence.
The unionists say the Scottish voters are so thick they will not understand this very complicated questions on a ballot paper
8

steve 1511,

aberdeen 28/03/2008 12:35:51
you have to admit it wendy can talk some ammount of jibberish,labour have had ten years to improve this country,all they have done is quander its wealth
9

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 28/03/2008 12:39:16
Mr Wilson,

Get lost! You're supposed to be retired from politics.

Just you leave wee wendy alone you bully!

I think she's doing F^<(ing brilliantly.

Sir Ken is a top man, a knight no less.

And if wendy can trust them - then I also trust Annabel and Nichol to play ball and do as they are told as we claw back powers from Holyrood......
(coz lt's face it we're out for at least two elections and we can't have the bl@@dy Nats having all that power for EIGHT years can we? - really, there are contracts to be signed soon for these new Nuclear Power Stations!)

I mean, what can the Tories and Libdums possibly do even if they DO realise we're conning them?......
vote with the SNP for a Referendum??? eh eh?......
eh, actually, forget I said that last bit Brian.
10

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 28/03/2008 12:57:29
Cataibh, (at 12:26:20)

The summary of the true aims of the four main parties is actually:

Tories - Abolish Holyrood (Colonial Rule by Cameron)
NuLab - "Two way street" ie. Reduced/weakened Powers
Libdem - Increased Powers (and a dream of Federation)
SNP - Independence.

Or, to paraphrase a post I saw yesterday:

Tories - No Bread
NuLab - Crumbs
Libdem - Half a Loaf
SNP - A Full Loaf
11

Resolutions,

28/03/2008 13:30:52
"He said he would rather have a referendum on independence than the "incremental nonsense of fiddling about with powers".

Aye Brian fine by me.

""Scotland stands on the brink of unprecedented prosperity but is held back by an Executive that doesn't understand the modern world and has no plan except to retreat from it. Labour will fight on the side of our community – with parents, with pupils, with tenants, with patients, with pensioners. We will be their last line of defence, the people's party."

Who does'nt understand the modern world in Scotland?


12

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 28/03/2008 13:36:58
#5 Proximaking - Totally Agree. I deal alot with the public services and local government. They are uninspired, lack passion, lack experience and just shuffle paper about.

I have never been a big fan of privatisation as I do not want to see vital and expensive services being cut but I am totally dismayed at the lazy sh!ite bags that work in the government.I blame the unions for a large part of the local governemnt problems. To much protection for too little output.

I see people who get to keep a job and get promoted to £30K plus for a basic admin job any school leaver could do with a few weeks training plus fantastic benefits, pension and flexi time.

I am sure there are some good ones fighting from within I have just never met them.
13

Toast,

28/03/2008 13:36:59
Labour has held us back for long enough with its nepotism and petty politics,embrace the future,Scotland a land without Labour ,full of ideas and enthusism.
14

Gordieboy,

Musselburgh 28/03/2008 13:40:51
Brian Wilson always stood out amongst his peers in Scottish Labour as not only a man of principle, but also an eminently sensible human being. Whilst as an SNP supporter I do not agree with his stance on the constitutional question I nonetheless welcome his comments as they represent the only *democratic* solution to this debate. A referendum is the only way to gauge public opinion on this matter and by denying the Scottish people the right to assert their views in this manner, the 'other 3' parties commit a massive own-goal.

And yes, we will be bound by the results of the referendum, even if it is an overwhelming rejection of independence. At least if it is, those of us who voted SNP in May will know where we stand vis a vis mainstream public opinion. But FFS let us have our say; that's all we're asking for!
15

Bob Christie,

28/03/2008 14:33:48
The headline should have read:

" One political failure recognises another political failure when he sees it "

The only difference I can detect between Wilson and Alexander is that the former has not admitted criminal acts................., at least not yet!
16

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 28/03/2008 14:41:56
Good grief, just heard some more prattling from Wendy -

Wendy claims to have been listening to the people, learning lessons, and moving on from her financial shenanigans -
well she completely blew that away with the following excerpt from todays BBC interview:

...During the web chat, driven by questions from BBC viewers, listeners and online users, she was asked to score herself out of 10 for her performance since being elected leader unopposed in September last year.

"Rising all the time, I think is the answer," said Ms Alexander, adding: "Ten out of 10, 10 out of 10."

I was totally and utterly gobsmacked!
I guess she has not lost any of her ability to shock and astound.
DID SHE REALLY SAY THAT?!?
"Vast Intellect"?!? - Who the hell coined THAT phrase??
To be tripped up by such a lame question!! - though full marks to all those that submitted it - you possess a level of subtlety that I do not.

I'm no shrink, but this woman has lost it. Wendy must be CLINICALLY DELUSIONAL to think her performance rates a 10/10 score. Is she seriously admitting, therefore, that there is no scope for any improvement??

If I was in the SNP I would have posters of Wendy, pictured along side that quote, running the length and breadth of the country -
but then again the subtle approach, I guess, would be to just stand back with a spare shovel in case hers breaks.
17

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 28/03/2008 14:43:19
It looks like the relaunch of Wendy's leadership might turn in to a leadership review. Will we see motions from the floor calling for a leadership review? I hope not. She is doing a fantastic job. Her recent efforts to get the other Unionist parties behind a review of Holyroods powers was a masterstroke. Now the Scottish people will have a three option referendum. Every time Wendy opens her mouth Independance gets a little closer. Keep up the good work Wendy.
18

Hamish Scott,

28/03/2008 14:44:45
"The Prime Minister was expected to use his speech to bolster Ms Alexander's position and launch a strong attack on the SNP.

He was due to tell delegates: "Scotland stands on the brink of unprecedented prosperity but is held back by an Executive that doesn't understand the modern world and has no plan except to retreat from it. Labour will fight on the side of our community – with parents, with pupils, with tenants, with patients, with pensioners. We will be their last line of defence, the people's party."

????????????????????????????????????????

Brown is on a different planent.
19

Farky,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:17:45
Mr Wilson,

Don't assume for one minute that the SNP would lose it's referendum. All those who voted them into power last year know exactly what they stand for!

I guess the thought of losing Westminsters patronage and privilages is just too much to stomach eh. Oh, you don't have a peerage yet, do you...?

Mr Broon.... HELP! Brian has been overlooked for the lordship gravy train!
20

Farky,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:22:56
Can't leave a get well "not so soon" message for George so I'll leave it here...

Stay where you are George, Scotland is a better place without you! Sure you'll recover soon to get your nose back in the House of Lords trough!

Poor wee man.
21

Stefania Alvarez,

28/03/2008 15:34:17
Number 10 ...
Jock Politicaljunkie,Glasgow 28/03/2008 12:57:29 .

Continuing with your BREAD analogy ...

How about:

Salmond = Dough-heid
Wendy Alexander = nearly a dough-heid
Cathy Jamison = wha' pinched mah loaf

In fact that is too kind to Jamison ...!!!

22

Agent 99,

28/03/2008 15:39:54
[18] "We will be their last line of defence, the people's party."

This is probably the core reason for the unbelieveably good performance of scottish labour in the opinion polls. Given their dire and dreadful record of non-achievement, their lacklustre personnel and their clear distain for the electorate it is a wonder anyone votes for them at all.

That they have not crashed to single digits in opinion polls must be because they are clearly identified in a large number of peoples minds as the party for the common man. This is the nut that the SNP should concentrate on. Remove the association and labour will be toast for the next generation.

Despite the clear success of the SNP's first 9 months in office quite a number of people I know remain suspicious of them. They mostly articulate a lack of public persona or image. This is not to say that labour come out any better in a detailed analysis, but they still have the advantage of all those years in power so that this idea that they represent the common man is almost subliminal.
23

Jwil,

28/03/2008 15:50:18
Gordon Brown quote: "Scotland stands on the brink of unprecedented prosperity"

I hope some TV interviewer or Journalist will gut and fillet that one very soon. How can he reach this conclusion when the Labour Party have failed miserably to achieve this for Scotland over the last ten years?

24

Stefania Alvarez,

28/03/2008 15:55:30
Number 22 ... agent99
... they now are struggling to even find people willing to go around people's doors doing canvassing and electioneering stuff ... such is their sneering complacency and cutting themselves off from their traditional base. New Labour now has to compete with tele-canvassers selling windows; doors and security.
They have a call centre which phones people rather than go out meeting them on the door-step.

Sad huh !!!
25

Brian M,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:56:56
so Brown admits that in less than a year the SNP Government has brought Scotland to the brink unprecedented prosperity
26

Stefania Alvarez,

28/03/2008 15:59:10
Shut down Hollywood ... invest the money in something decent rather than a talking shop for eejits like Salmond and Alexander.
27

Merouane,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 16:04:59
#26. Or we stop paying our share of Westminster (and all that goes along with it; i.e. grand imperialist adventures in the Middle East) and elect a Parliament in Edinburgh that will serve us better.
28

Teamdroid,

28/03/2008 16:13:10
#22 - the effect of decades of near-fanatical pro-Labour media must also be counted. Consider the drip feed effect on an entire generation of Scotland's working class, of the Daily Record for one. There are people out there who simply can't contemplate voting for anyone other than Labour, no matter how transparently obvious it is that the party does not have their interests at heart.

Indeed, if the SNP (or someone else) can break that association in the minds of the "ma faither aye voted Labour" brigade, they will have done us all a service. This is why the Wendy Alexander donations scandal was so important. Seeing the Scottish leader unmasked as a crook would have been a real shock for that "traditional Labour voter", a real break in that unspoken bond of trust.
29

Rob - Honest Toun,

28/03/2008 16:28:19
Stefania, if we shut doon Hollywood, whaur wad Sky TV get aw its films frae?

www.scots-tung.com
30

J R Hartley-Fly,

Fishing 28/03/2008 18:02:30
Pa Broon says she'll be the next First Meenister!

Going, going, . . .
31

DaveSubsea,

Gjoeje SHI Korea 28/03/2008 22:57:22
Wendy Alexander bears a startling resemblance to Daphne in the Broons!!
32

Auckland Arab2,

29/03/2008 03:45:10
So will the Scotsman be printing this story....

"During the web chat, driven by questions from BBC viewers, listeners and online users, she was asked to score herself out of 10 for her performance since being elected leader unopposed in September last year.

"Rising all the time, I think is the answer," said Ms Alexander, adding: "Ten out of 10, 10 out of 10."

Maybe she was talking about her IQ!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7317115.stm
33

donald,

glasgow 29/03/2008 05:30:14
Will the Celtic fans be booing Mr Scotland is British Wilson today?
34

Reckless,

Corrupt EU 29/03/2008 08:21:32
They aren't listening to us. They're obeying their masters in Brussels.

And Ms Alexander also dismissed claims of arrogance against Labour politicians...

"I think that what people are looking for are politicians who are willing to listen, I think you will see this week that conference is listening and learning."
35

Matt there,

somewhere 29/03/2008 12:02:46
It was the answer to a different question:

"And how many times have you made yourself a total laughing stock at FMQs?

"Oh, ten out of ten!"

And that'd be about right, then...

 

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