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Political earthquake on the way – Salmond



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Published Date: 12 July 2008
A POLITICAL earthquake has started in Glasgow East that will change the political landscape, Alex Salmond, the First Minister, claimed yesterday.
He was commenting on the findings of a YouGov poll that showed the SNP had passed Labour in popularity across Scotland.

It had SNP support at 33 per cent, Labour on 29 per cent, the Tories on 20 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 14 per cent. The same poll showed support for independence at 36 per cent, with 48 per cent against.

The SNP also highlighted a poll finding that 49 per cent of Scots want the SNP to win in Glasgow East, compared with 33 per cent who favour Labour.

But Labour dismissed the poll as unrepresentative of Glasgow East. It said: "Interesting though this poll is on the views of Scots on issues such as independence, this Scotland-wide poll tells us very little about the views of people in the East End."

The SNP says it has high hopes of overturning Labour's 13,500 majority in the by-election on 24 July.

"I think the ground is starting to tremble and shudder; I think the earthquake is on the way," Mr Salmond said as he visited a Tesco supermarket in the Shettleston part of the constituency yesterday. "It's good to know that Scotland is cheering on the SNP in this by-election."

Mr Salmond's supermarket visit was intended to get across the message that the cost of living was a dominant feature of the campaign.

He said: "A lot of folk want to use this by-election to force action from the Westminster government right now on the things that concern people as they shop, travel and try to heat their homes.

"That is a perfectly reasonable thing for the folk of Glasgow East to want to do."

Mr Salmond said he would not be surprised to see "some movement" from Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, to ease living costs in a what he called a "desperate" attempt by Labour to save the seat.

A similar theme was picked up by the Conservatives, whose candidate, Davena Rankin, visited an Asda supermarket in the constituency.

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader, said the new poll showed her party was closing in, too, on Labour. "Scottish politics is now a three-horse race, and whilst we are still currently the third horse, we are closing the gap on Labour," she said.

SNP has a way to go to win separatist argument

THE latest YouGov poll is a bitter-sweet reminder for Alex Salmond of how success is strengthening his party's position in Scotland but not bringing it closer to its raison d'être – independence.

The importance of this poll is that it is one of the first proper ones in Scotland, as opposed to a sample of UK polls, to have put the SNP well ahead of Labour in voting intentions for a Westminster election, as opposed to a Holyrood one.

The Nationalists' 33 per cent puts them four points ahead of Labour on 29, but almost as shocking is the Tories' 20 per cent. However, support for independence, or rather, as the question framed it, for the Scottish Government to start negotiations for independence, was only 36 per cent compared with 48 per cent against.

This raises doubts over Mr Salmond's strategy of hoping four years of popular Holyrood government by the SNP will strengthen support for separation and gives credibility to Wendy Alexander's strategy, which Labour appears to be dropping, of calling for a quick referendum.

As a possible 2010 referendum grows closer, some of Mr Salmond's back-benchers, especially fundamentalists, may get nervous and call for a more overt push towards independence.

At the moment, the SNP is relying on highlighting grievances with Westminster on issues such as lottery money going to the London Olympics or holding back council tax benefit if Scotland's introduces a local income tax.

Leading polling analyst Professor John Curtice, of Strathclyde University, said: "I've never been convinced that the tactic of doing well in government was necessarily going to improve support for independence.

"This poll is very interesting because it does show that the SNP have a difficult task.

"But you have to remember that, with 33 per cent support for them, 36 per cent support for independence makes sense.

"The pro-Union support will be more divided because there are three parties."

But he said it was significant that the SNP had climbed above Labour in the polls.

"To my mind this is the first serious poll that shows the SNP above Labour on voting intentions for Westminster.

"It will be good for them in the background as they fight this by-election, but they will need to have an even bigger swing than this to win in Glasgow East.

"I'm surprised with the Conservative support, but maybe it shows they are finally making a comeback north of the Border. We shall have to wait and see – one swallow does not make a summer, after all."

Critics claim Labour big guns are running scared of by-election

LABOUR'S leaders have been accused of running scared from the Glasgow East by-election.

While other parties have wheeled out their "big guns", there are no plans for Labour to bring any members of the Cabinet to help the campaign.

Douglas Alexander, the International Development Secretary and the MP for the nearby Paisley constituency, has made only an unofficial appearance and Des Browne, the Scottish Secretary, will come for one day to help the campaign, but will not take part in photo opportunities.

There are no plans to bring Prime Minister Gordon Brown or the Chancellor, Alistair Darling, to the area for the campaign. In contrast, both the First Minister, Alex Salmond, and his deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, have appeared to boost the SNP campaign; most of the Conservative shadow cabinet, led by David Cameron, will visit; and the Liberal Democrat leader, Nick Clegg, was in the area this week.

Opponents claim Westminster figures are "running scared" because they are wary of being branded "London Labour" and fear that their current unpopularity may only serve to lose the Scottish party votes. It has also been said that the lack of Westminster figures gives Ms Curran the chance to disagree openly with them on issues such as car and fuel tax.

Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie said: "Gordon Brown and his Cabinet are afraid of being seen (in the constituency] because they know how unpopular they are.

"They should be ashamed for not being willing to stand up and protect the Union."

An SNP spokeswoman said: "There are so many Scottish Cabinet ministers, it's not exactly far for them to come."

But Labour insist they are focusing on local issues and their candidate. A spokesman said: "Unlike the others, we have a strong enough candidate to stand on her own without the need to be chaperoned."

Christian used to rough side of local politics

WITH Gordon Brown's future in the balance, it took only a few days for the gloves to come off in an effort to discredit John Mason, the SNP's Glasgow East by-election candidate.

He was branded "paranoid and xenophobic" by Labour MSP George Foulkes after calling God Save the Queen an anti-Scottish song and demanding English flags were taken down at a school during the last World Cup.

A former party rival, Dorothy Grace Elder, wrote about how he supposedly hated women, mainly her.

But Mr Mason said he is relaxed about the attacks. "You get a thick skin in politics. If Labour feel the need to do that then they must be worried."

He has learned to deal with the slings and arrows of opponents from ten years as a Glasgow city councillor

after beating Labour in an "unwinnable" East End by-election in 1998.

The 57-year-old accountant is a committed Christian, whose Baptist faith drives his politics.

"I am as driven by the need for closing the gap between rich and poor," he said. "That comes from my faith."

He discovered his support for independence while working in Nepal for an NGO in the 1980s.

"Nepal is a small country between two huge ones – India and China – but fiercely proud of its independence," he said.

"I meant it to be just like joining the National Trust, pay your money and get the newsletter, but I attended some meetings and got more involved and now look where I am."


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1

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 00:14:40
It appears that the SNP have grown more likely to win the Labour Seat.
2

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:19:15
Alex Salmond is being silly again, isn't he? Silly man.
3

Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 00:23:13
Alex believes the snp will win and I'll take him at his word.......But if they don't then his word will have been proved to be worth no more than a warm bucket of spit...........He has got till july 24th

Thats fair i should of thought?
4

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:23:54
What is the relevance of the earthquake analogy. Comes along, makes a lot of noise, wrecks the joint and then f**ks off once the damage is done?

Sound just like the SNP to me.
5

Senga Jean,

12/07/2008 00:25:57
The Scottish people are on the march. The 66% who wish independence in Europe is a good start. The SNP care for Scotland.
6

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:30:07
I expect the SNP to take a few thousand votes off any Labour seat at this point in time. With the voting day in the middle of the Glasgow fair, this might just backfire on the Labour party.
7

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:30:42
"Independence in a union" this is the type of tripe the SNP are famous for.

They make a lot of unconstructive noise and then leave communities picking up the pieces, just like the earthquake.
8

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 00:38:23
#5

That 66% claim is another SNP lie. It was 40%.
9

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 00:40:19
#10

Um...your wrong.

It is 66%.
10

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 00:44:12
ThomasP, it was 40%. Go to www.yougov.com and see for yourself.
11

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 00:50:54
The SNP said it was 66% of Scots. But it was 66% of SNP voters. They lied.
12

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 00:55:52
#14

The SNP did not get their information from www.yougov.com

The SNP got their information from the Daily Telegraph that claimed the 66% from a YouGov poll.

You would have to search for the Daily Telegraph to see what % they had used.

From the SNP Website:

"The Scottish National Party hailed the findings of a YouGov poll in the DAILY TELEGRAPH today."
13

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:58:42
A political earthquake was caused by the the DT's of labour activists' knees trembling.
14

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:00:18
ThomasP, what a lame excuse. They lied. The Telegraph article didn't even mention the EU. Google "Only third of Scots favour independence".
15

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:02:36
Oh and finally the SNP's lies are here. www.snp.org/node/14048
16

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:03:47
The only surprise in this poll is that the SNP are not further ahead. Scotland has enjoyed a lot of good progress since they were elected.

I am also not surprised by the increase in the Tory vote. For the first time in generations they have put Scotland first and benefited from it.

It is a sad indictment on both Labour and the fib Dems that they have been identified by Scots as the parties holding Scotland back.

Keep it up it is the first time in my life I am proud of the government of Scotland!
17

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:03:48
The only surprise in this poll is that the SNP are not further ahead. Scotland has enjoyed a lot of good progress since they were elected.

I am also not surprised by the increase in the Tory vote. For the first time in generations they have put Scotland first and benefited from it.

It is a sad indictment on both Labour and the fib Dems that they have been identified by Scots as the parties holding Scotland back.

Keep it up it is the first time in my life I am proud of the government of Scotland!
18

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 01:04:16
re 17. Geologicaly the ground in most of Glasgow east is sand from the Clyde. Yes folks, the water moved.

Not the earth.

So, far from an earthquake, I predict shifting sands.
19

monkey man,

12/07/2008 01:04:33
" Independence within the EU. " lol

No wonder the dimwits support the SNP. The collective IQ of a walnut.
20

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:05:29
Different questions. The 40% question was between Independence and the Status Quo. The 66% question was about independence within the EU.

Interesting that London Labour is avoiding the seat! The story is they don't want to be seen as 'London Labour' but it is more likely that they want not to be associated with a failure. They are bricking it!
21

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12/07/2008 01:07:26
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22

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:07:55
There was no 66% question. Check the results on the YouGov website.
23

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 01:08:08
19

Thanks for the link, I visited the SNP on line shop while I was there. Why do the SNP get the saltire flags they sell manufactured in Vietnam?

I would have thought a patroit waving something with "made in vietnam" sewn onto was somewhat of a numbskull?
24

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 01:09:53
26 SNPblahblah.

Why should we search the YouGov Webdite for the 66% result when the SNP got their findings from the Daily Telegraph?
25

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:10:26
ThomasP, it's on the YouGov website. Here, can I post this?
www.yougov.com/uk/archives/pdf/tables%202008%2007%2010%20scotfull.pdf
26

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:11:17
ThomasP, it wasn't on the Daily Telegraph. This is like pulling teeth.
27

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 01:11:34
29 SNPblahblah.

The SNP got their findings from the DAILY TELEGRAPH, not the YouGov website.
28

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 01:12:13
Banana, anyone? Ooh, ooh, ooh.
29

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:12:39
Get help ThomasP. I don't have the training. Sleep time.
30

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 01:15:33
34 SNPblahblah.

Quite the little rants.

Read the SNP website also. You will then learn where exactly the SNP claim they are getting their facts.
31

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:18:31
Urgent advice

Get to the bookies now before the odds change.

Labour are finito!
32

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:22:14
BIG EYE,
Info?
33

monkey man,

12/07/2008 01:27:09
Appealing to the knuckle draggers of Scottish society by blaming Westminster for all Scotland's ills for the last few years has only got the SNP one seat ahead of its main rival in the wee pretend parliament, and even that was in an electoral process Robert Mugabe would have laughed at. The separatists can't do any better and are now in decline.
34

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:31:07
Small sample. Not affluent. Overwhemingly Labour vote last time. Overwhelmingly SNP on the 24th!
35

A Better Way,

Republic of Scotland 12/07/2008 01:31:39
SNPblah whatever,

Thats really good of you to have come across to the Wendy point of view even though its a bit late to support a crooked London Controlled New Labour Numptie.

Like Wendy you will not fear the referendum in 2010. Your comments here suggest you have nothing to fear.

We Scottish Patriots know that the demise of Wee Jockeee, then Wendeee is just a stepping stone to the destruction of the Scottish Traitors such as Gordon Brown, Silver spooned Darling, Des the slime Browne, Douglas the sleekit Alexander. The SNP Party under the Politician of the year Alexander Salmond, will have achieved the destruction of a British Political Party, which will send a clear message to the quivering remainder of the Corrupt Westminster System, that Scotland will not rest until the abomination that is called Britain is dismantled for all time.

The Scottish People will free the English Nation, and allow them to be run by English People for English People. The same liberation will be available to our Welsh Cousins and of course Ireland must be reunified to its rightfull place as a United Ireland before Cromwell butchered so many of the peacefull Irish People.

Hilarious watching big mouthed Curran stammering her guts out on Newsnight last night, before going on to give her support to alienate Scottish Muslims by supporting the monstrous 42 days of torture before being charged. I just wonder which part of Scotland she wants renamed "Guantanamo". Margaret Curran displaying her attitude to the freedom of the individual. SHAME ON LONDON CONTROLLED NEW LABOURS STOOGE CANDIDATE FROM THE WEALTHY SOUTHERN SUBURBS IN GLASGOW.
36

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:33:28
Cheers BIG EYE,
I seriously hope so. This would be the best thing Glasgow East could do for themselves.

Do you know if labour 'last time' meaning Holyrood or Westminster?
37

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 01:33:42
Yep. As I thought. Banana, anyone. Ooh, ooh, ooh always bring them out so you can rub their tummies.
38

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:39:59
Westminster!

Alex Salmond is a clever politician, I know him well he would not be talking about earthquakes if the ground was not already shuddering and he had not yet used some serious ammunition in his locker!
39

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:40:42
"SNP activists, scenting blood, are flooding into the constituency. This weekend, 500 extra helpers are expected from across Scotland. Their candidate, John Mason, a local councillor, said he had never known such a buzz around a contest."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/12/glasgoweast.labour
40

Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 12/07/2008 01:42:31
Having read all the posts on this thread I have come to the conclusion that half the contributors are severely mentally retarded and ought not to be let out on the streets when decent people are about.

The other half are the SNP supporters.
41

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:43:25
Castaway:
I got SNP 15/10 from Ladbrokes - that's now 11/10 :O)

Any more anecdotal evidence for us ex-pats would be much appreciated!
42

Traquir , Alba,

12/07/2008 01:57:23
What really terrifies the Unionistas is that these figures are much closer to a majority supporting independence than they would appear from the
newspaper coverage.

It is more than reasonable to assume that the "14% unsure" split along the same 48/36% lines,
unless of course Westminster were to try and
force in another infamous
40% rule to manipulate democracy whereby the 14% is
mostly counted in being for the Union.
Restating the poll with those who expressed
an opinion comes to 42.86% supporting independence,
which would require a swing of about 8% whilst
in Glasgow East we are trying to topple
Labour with a 22% swing.
This is significant progress and makes the goal
of full self-determination for Scotland that much
closer.

Equally critically as pointed out by several other
posters this poll could equally have been
headlined as "Minority Now Support Maintaining
the Union".
Which raises an interesting question in
regard to the Calman "Commission", surely
it must now simply be scrapped given it's
founding principle is based on

"overwhelming public support for the Union
in Scotland."
"Members will represent the range of pro-Union opinion in Scotland and wider Scottish society"

Also interestingly from a recent Freedom
Of Information Release it would appear that
Brown got his way and it is not a Commission
but a review.

"What is the official title of the Review? Why is it a Review and not a Commission?
• It is a review of the Scotland Act.
• What matters is what it will do, not what it is called."

The Union is dying and Scotland will rise as
a free nation again.

Saor Alba
43

MacRae_Warrior,

12/07/2008 02:27:01
I just don't understand why there are those who believe that servitude under the European Union will be any better than servitude under the 'United' Kingdom. Why trade one tyrant in London for another in Brussels? You know what they will do, just what the Brits have been doing for the last 300 odd years, taking our money, our resources, to serve themselves. It will be no different under the EU if we decide to join it (God forbid). That's why I don't support the SNP any more than any other political party in Scotland; Salmond just kisses up to the EU too much for my liking.
44

Freeman Stand,

12/07/2008 02:27:42
Monkey Man (38) The only knuckle dragger round here is you.
45

Iainbroch,

Moray 12/07/2008 02:28:26
re 38

One banana, two banana, three banana more, four banana, five banana, six banana more, tra lah lah lah!

I take it that you dont eat those EU regulation bananas?Or is that an acceptable Union as well.

Or maybe you would like to part from the EU! As you are getting all these offers of bananas may I suggest one form of separtaion you might enjoy - part your A!!! cheeks and stick them them you know where!
46

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta. CA ..Obama smoke n mirrors..McCain is Bu 12/07/2008 02:35:58
47 Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Hey Dude,

BIG BROWN who had never been beaten in all his 5 previous races .
He was 1/5 to win the Belmont Stakes . (That's the 3rd. leg of the Triple Crown here in the US.

He had won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness Stakes . each by at least 4 lengths. Beating out the very best horses in their class.

Well Dude he came in dead last in the Belmont Stakes and his price was 1/5.

Moral here for all U fanatical SNP dudes "Get real" .

As the Global economies deteriorate and the US staggers , the Scottish people will have no time for a new struggle to stay solvent and feed their families ,by going independent from England.

Happy Haggis day dude.

GC
47

FrancesP,

12/07/2008 02:43:36
53. A horse called 'Brown' finishes 'dead last' in a race, and you think that's a good way to mock the SNP's chances?

Happy Irony Day, dude.
48

Traquir , Alba,

12/07/2008 02:49:27
53 GalacticCannibal, Murrieta.

I would suggest you concentrate on issues closer
to your home rather than your continual negative
drivel about Scotland.

"Murrieta leads county in homes lost to mortgage crisis"

"the 92563 ZIP code in Murrieta, illustrate the pandemic nature of the county's, and the nation's, housing crisis"

see - tinyurl.com/63ce96

If you need any food packages just let us know
we Scots are a very generous people, and will
be even more generous when we have the ability
to choose to use our own resources to positive
effect rather than having them squandered on
things like illegal wars.

Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic
49

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 02:58:42
Many years ago there was a by election in Glasgow Central. Alone among the candidates the Tory candidate put money on a horse that was running in a race with the name called Glasgow Central. It was an outsider and romped home at long odds.

The Tory candidate still had a dreadful result but could console herself with a few drinks from her winnings.

Labour will not be so lucky in Glasgow East
50

yankey,

East Glasgow 12/07/2008 03:01:41

See you this weekend

Remember the correct way to greet a SLAB Politician is
OINK OINK ONIK
We could and will drive them off the streets
The Party can not find people to knock doors because of the abuse they get

51

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

morningside 12/07/2008 03:06:28
It would be fantastic if the SNP beat Liebour in Glasgow East but unfortunately the voters there have voted Liebour for generations despite Liebour leaving them in poverty and introducing University loans, abolishing the 10p tax rate, doubling car tax, scrapping border controls, privatising the NHS, introducing ID cards, introducing PFI, voting to keep the John Lewis list, locking folk up for 42 days without charge
So sad to see voters say they've always voted Liebour so they won't change now.
SNP oppose the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the horrors of Trident yet the poor folk of Glasgow east keep voting for Liebour. Weird !
52

Matt there,

somewhere 12/07/2008 03:32:10
As someone who lives outside Scotland (ancestors from Scotland, however) I feel I must ask this question: "Do not the Labour Party members who post on this forum not realise how silly they make themselves and their party sound?

They make what they think are witty jibes against the SNP and Alex Salmond in particular. But when they think they are witty they are only half-right.
53

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

lochfinnan 12/07/2008 04:04:29
I must agree with you Matt.
I've loved Scotland since I was a young child.I've visited the monument at Lochfinnan, Bruce's monument at Bannockburn and the fields of Culloden and it filled me with pride at being Scottish. I don't know where Wendy Alexander or Gordon Brown or Douglas Alexander or Margaret Curran spent their childhood but it couldn't have been at places celebrating Scotland. They would have been overwhelmed at the sacrifices our forefathers gave to give us our own country.We've got a fantastic country yet we're constantly dragged back by money grabbing unionists who can't see what a great country they're putting down and treating horrendously.
54

W Smith,

Middle East 12/07/2008 04:06:43
So John Mason is a "committed" christian - who has problems with English flags but no problem with jihadist Osama Saeed.

Sounds like a "dodgy" christain to me.

"If we look at the history of our faith, WHAT ELSE IS THERE other thant the Prophet's example to stand up to tyranny and to stand up to oppression."

Osama Saeed at Dundee University, JUST MONTHS BEFORE THE ATTACK ON GLASGOW AIRPORT, urging muslims not to cooperate with police.

John Mason's silence on this is a deafening as Alex Salmonds.
55

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

scotland 12/07/2008 04:22:24
W Smith - If you really are working in the Middle East then why are you happy to be paid by muslims for your work ? Maybe your company is European but they will be paid by muslims. Aren't you a good enough engineer/ accountant or whatever to compete in a more competitive market in the free world ? Most folk I encountered in the Middle East were like yourself. Hated muslims but were happy to take the cash. Hypocrites I think.
56

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

scotland 12/07/2008 05:09:13
Castaway - thanks for your post. I should have said the Glenfinnan monument rather than Lochfinnan. But it was in 1745 so it's a while ago ! I couldn't imagine many folk apart from SNP patriots risking their lives these days to fight for Scotland. Liebour work constantly against Scotland but their treason won't go unnoticed.
57

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta.CA Obama smoke n mirrors..McCain is Bush 12/07/2008 05:25:02
55 Traquir , Alba,12

Hey Dude Murrieta as a town where 4,000 square foot homes are common, did not exist 15 years ago.

Our credit crisis will pass, Urs will not, u will be for ever bitching and complaining.

But if Fannie Mae and Mac do not get bailed out by the Feds . Then u guys and the rest of the industrial world will learn what a real recession is.

Right now here in the US Fannie Mae and Mac need $3.8 trillion to remain solvent,

That's trillion dude not billion. Like £1.9 trillion.

The entire GDP of the UK which includes the Provence of Scotland is only $ 2.2 trillion or £1.1 trillion.

The Feds will not allow Fannie Mae and Mac to fail . If they did then U and the rest of the industrial world would rely on begging bowls. dude.

hey dude chill out . Facts are facts and U cannot change that.

As for drivel . These threads in the Scotsman do not have drivel, just fanatical obsessed micro political wannabes, living off a dead and gone history.

SMILE U are on Candid Camera

GC
58

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

scotland 12/07/2008 05:50:14
#66galactic cannibal. My home has gone down in value by about $40k this year due to greed and incompetence by US and UK bankers. Your assistance is to attack Independence in Scotland and claim it's too introspective in light of the bigger picture.
Imagine if Scotland had been independent like the USA. Heck man there would be no problem at all. We'd be getting $150 a barrel for Brent crude now. Straight into our coffers. Bahrain does well, Quatar does well, Kuwait does well, Venezuela does well, KSA does well, Nigeria does well, Algeria does well. All backward countries compared to Scotland but now laughing at the West and buying up our banks and companies in a fire sale. Wake up man and smell the coffee. we're f***** !
59

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA. Obama smoke N mirrors .McCain is Bush 12/07/2008 05:50:19
55 Traquir , Alba,12

There is no money crisis in my family dude. Thanks to my Parents and their hard earned wealth from their 15 years working at Microsoft.

Chillout dude.
And I hope U don't behave like McCain

71-year-old McCain went for his annual physical. All of his tests came back with normal results.

Dr. Smith said, "John, everything looks great physically.

How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with yourself, and do you have a good relationship with your God?"

John replied, "God and me are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it so that when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, poof! the light goes on when I pee, and then poof! the light goes off when I'm done."

"Wow," commented Dr. Smith, "That's incredible!"

A little later in the day Dr. Smith called McCain's wife.

"Cindy," he said, "John is just fine. Physically he's great.

But I had to call because I'm in awe of his relationship with God.
Is it true that he gets up during the night and poof! the light goes on in the bathroom and then poof! the light goes off?"

Cindy exclaimed, "That damn old fool! He's peeing in the refrigerator again!"

GC





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Earman,

Dumfries 12/07/2008 06:18:55
This poll has apparently given the Unionist Panic Button yet another press, heralding the appearance of the Massed Bands of "we cannae dae it oorsel's", supported by a full Drum Corps of "the Nats cannae...the Nats willnae...the Nats didnae...". When, for the love of God, will these Unionists come up with some POSITIVE - or even ALTERNATIVE - ideas/debating points/vision? Their ridiculously childish continual negativity does nothing for their cause. Why don't they know that? Has history taught them nothing? Please, if the Union is worth saving, debate the point, persuade people, reason with them, enlighten them. It's of no earthly use whatsoever to employ a strategy of "Let's just keep saying that the Nats are useless". If you believe in what you're saying, BE POSITIVE!
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 07:03:37
Having read the Unionist postings this morning it's easy to see how the SNP are well ahead in the polls.
If this is the best New Labour Sleaze can do then Independence is just a matter of time.

Most of them make AM2 look interesting

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland
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donald anderson it's me,

12/07/2008 07:32:07
Would anyone notice if an earthquake hit the East End of Glasgow? Maggie's bunker is leafy Giffnock.
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mr angry,

ayrshire 12/07/2008 07:37:04
Note that the semi literate labour supporters have all disappeared , only ones left now are the idiots and bigots. Not long to go now for Labour.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 07:47:19
Perhaps the unionists are looking forward to Margaret Curran leading Scotland as first minister; now there is a though to put you off your breakfast!
As for Torquil stating her as a 'bonnie fighter'..i had a dog like that once but it bit the postie and had to be put down. Personally i think she is more of a 'vile hoond'!
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Daveunderwater,

12/07/2008 07:49:57
# 66 GC

One problem the sleeping dragon is now very much awake, China is in the process of overtaking the USA so maybe you should start posting in the Peking Press, $25,000 per person is a tall order.

But then you could sell some of the gold in Fort Knox to the Chinese. Gordon Brown is an experienced gold seller so the USA could employ him as a Gilt Consultant.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 07:54:39
Maybe if the yanks stopped eating so much they could afford their mortgage repayments? Wonder if the takings in McDonalds will suffer as a consequence?
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 12/07/2008 08:02:22
I really wonder whether some of the unionist monkeys "posting" are in fact one & the same perosn, talking to themselves under different monikers.

Come to think of it, haven't seen Maggie Broon of late...
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scottish person,

paisley 12/07/2008 08:02:44
I hope the SNP rid this country of people like brown,browne,alexander and cairns.
Scotsman stop sending me info on luke donald, he is english. I only want to hear about golfers like Alistair Forsyth which the ebc dont seem to even know exists.
I cant believe we still have people in this country supporting liebour.
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jacquesmac,

Frogland 12/07/2008 08:22:40
#79

Divide and Rule

You are not an idiot, just a nasty bit of scum

Have you just finished your nightshift on The Herald?

Good Night
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:35:26
I notice Hornless Alexander only made an "unofficial" visit to Glasgow East, Das Broone visited, but wouldn't be photographed, and Curran tried to tempt Darling to visit with the promise there would be no cameras!

What's that all about? Politicians avoiding photo opportunities?
Doesn't smack of confidence really, does it?
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Tommy Trout,

Alicnte, Spain 12/07/2008 08:42:31
Mason is correct, "God Save the Queen/King" is an anti Scottish song. Laird Foulkes only has to read all the original verses written as a hymn at the time of the 45 rebellion by an English Bisop. Sixth verse reads:

Lord grant that Marshall Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedation hush
And like a torrent rush, Rebellious SCOTS to Crush.
God save the King!

Looks like some things have never changed, only difference now is it's some Scots singing the song.
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LEAL,

12/07/2008 08:48:14
Labour are certainly terrified of their prospects come July 24th.Thir supporters are to ashamed of Labours record to even go out leafleting.The SNP need a 22% swing to win the seat.This would indeed be meltdown for Labour.If the Labour party want to make a comeback in Scotland they have to stop being contolled from London,then come up with some positive and relevant arguments for Scotland staying under London rule.I cant think of any.Telling Scots they are so stupid/lazy that they need London to govern them just isnt going to work anymore.
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:52:53
#87 Tommy Trout

Notice the date today? I think there'll be a lot of Scots singing that song later today. Once they get back to their lodges after taking their unionist 'constitutional' about town.
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:55:46
#89 Number 6

Trip trap trip trap!

Meltdown minus 12 days........and counting!
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 09:02:15
People should not lose sight of the fact that the retiring MP for Glasgow East cared so much for his electorate that the constituency looks like it belongs in a war zone.
He was such a good 'socialist' that he ignored the population and concentrated all his efforts on building a £500K nest egg.
An electorate that has been treated with contempt by New Labour Sleaze and Corruption.
10p tax rate gone.
Fuel bills through the roof to pay for illegal wars.

Vote SNP - The ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland
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Richard,

west lothian 12/07/2008 09:03:24

Number: 6,

What a complete tit you are?

"God Save The Queen is our national anthem whether you like it or not.

Vastly superior to that dirge, Flower of Scotland.

Speaking of which, what is it about? Defeating an English army?

We just cant get away from this giant Anti English chip on our shoulder. Can we"?

It's about defeating an INVADING English army and a certain English Kings designs on Scotland and is a call for modern day Scots to stand up and throw off Westminster rule, it's all there in the lyric.

Nothing anti English about it!
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 09:06:54
#93 Absolutely we have to. So what's all this about Mason being a season ticket holder at Ibrox?
Any truth in this? I don't know. Surely the SNP wouldn't be so stupid.
Or is this simply mudslinging disinformation from an embattled unionist HQ.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 09:09:36
Why is it surprising that the indigenous Tories only came 3rd in this poll of voting intentions with 20 percent?

In poll after poll, it has been consistently shown that the mass of Scots do not trust this politicial party, and are still highly suspicious of its aims and objectives after it completely botched it's time in power at the old Scottish Office.

Since 1997, the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party has been a MINORITY politicial party in Scotland. In 10 years it has only been able to muster ONE M.P. in Westminster General Elections!

Had it not been for the P.R. voting system at the Scottish Parliament, the creation of which the Tory Party implaccably opposed, it would not have had any representation.

This ageing blue rinse party can only hang around and wait for the English Tories to return to power.
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 09:15:43
Mason is a Clyde supporter but for the New Labour Sleaze halfwits, why let the truth stand in the way of an outright lie. Here are some more 'lies'

1. We have to invade Iraq, Saddam has WMD
2. WMD can be deployed in hours.
3. We will hold a referendum on the EU constitution.
4. We don’t accept cash for honours.
5. Wendy - I have done nothing wrong
6. Wendy - I have nothing wrong knowingly.
7. Wendy - I broke the law – unknowingly.
8. Wendy - Comrade Broon fully agrees with my referendum call
9. I have ended the boom/bust cycle.
10. There will only be 13,000 immigrants when the EU expands.
11. I have lived in Glasgow East all my life
12. More motorists will gain rather than lose by the car tax rises
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LEAL,

12/07/2008 09:22:05
Richard 95
Exactly.
And God Save The Queen is about crushing rebellious Scots.Not Jacobites,not Catholics...But Scots
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:23:04
6.

Really is pathetic reading your trivial posts. Asking if Mason will be on an orange walk really is the most pathetic post on this site.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:23:58
I mean 'dick' in Lothian of course..
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Why do Nats make stuff up?,

12/07/2008 09:24:13
87 Tommy Trout

That anti-Jacobite verse isn't part of the national anthem. It was abandoned 30 or 40 years before that song was even accepted as the national anthem.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:25:28
I was right first time lol..early
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:27:37
Any unionists been on the Telegraph site recently reading the anti-Scottish rants?
Think you should all be heading their to try and convinve your masters how much you need them as they seem less than convinced by the 'smelly socks'.
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Richard,

west lothian 12/07/2008 09:32:53

Nevsky,
Moscow

Thanks for clarifying.
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 09:39:18
My anthem's bigger than your anthem, so there.
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 09:53:53
Anyone got the detail of the land deal/fraud involving Falkirk Council in Bo'ness?

I think the party involved may be New Labour Sleaze!!


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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 09:56:34
Anyone got the detail of the land deal/fraud involving Falkirk Council in Bo'ness?

I think the party involved may be New Labour Sleaze!!


Vote Conservative - The ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland
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pehman,

sussex 12/07/2008 09:58:36

96 Ananurathing,

#93 Absolutely we have to. So what's all this about Mason being a season ticket holder at Ibrox?
Any truth in this? I don't know. Surely the SNP wouldn't be so stupid.
Or is this simply mudslinging disinformation from an embattled unionist HQ


John Mason is a Clyde supporter
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Truely English,

12/07/2008 10:03:07
87
The English-speaking Scots in the Lowlands were just as anti-Highland and Anti-Gaelic as were the English.

How do you explain the weeks of celebrations that took place in both Glasgow and Edinburgh after the Duke of Cumberland won the Battle at Culloden.

The English-speaking Scots have more than the English to answer.
Somehow the Scots seem to have a short memory of convience when it suits them.

O Flower of Scotland is an Anti-Enlish rant.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/07/2008 10:05:58
Only third of Scots favour independence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/2281959/Only-third-of-Scots-favour-independence.html
By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
Last Updated: 7:18PM BST 10/07/2008

YouGov confirms that less than one third of Scots would vote for Independence:

Despite the best efforts of Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond, a YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph reveals that a majority of voters favour the status quo delivering a blow to those who want to break up the Union.

The "No" vote has a clear 12 point lead over the "Yes" vote, with 48 per against independence, 36 per cent in favour and 14 per cent unsure. Some previous polls have shown a much narrower margin between the two camps.

In a previous YouGov poll, when a third option of increased powers for a devolved parliament was included, only 19 per cent backed independence.

The latest rejection of separatism was based on the Scottish National Party's preferred question in a referendum.

It wants to ask voters in 2010 if they agree or disagree that "the Scottish government should negotiate a settlement with the Government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an independent state".

The findings suggest that voters are prepared to accept a separatist administration at Holyrood, as long as it does not lead to actual separation.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 12/07/2008 10:07:30
The battle will be won and lost in the bookies. The residents of the constituency will vote for the party that they have backed to win. Simple.

Time for all parties to work out their new strategy now. I know what I would do if I were a campaign leader.....


Yours etc

Angus Whitton
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Destroy the Planet,

12/07/2008 10:25:08
Number 6 ? Are ye marching today ? Got your bowler hat and wee apron ready ?
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Clive Hamblin,

12/07/2008 10:25:15
No 5 - 'The SNP care for Scotland!'

Get used to the idea; the SNP care for power.
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Destroy the Planet,

12/07/2008 10:37:46
#112 Where did you get that from ? We clothed and fed them before the battle of prestonpans,
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 10:42:34
Fail to see what 1746 and what football team someone supports has anything to do with Scotland in 2008. This is the kind of rubbish unionists concern themselves while other european counties are getting on with real business; we really do have some of the most pathetic losers in Europe in Scotland!
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Publius,

Girvan 12/07/2008 10:49:02
#121 Nevsky,Moscow

You must know that 'Truely English' is a nationalist agent provocateur. Is it you under anothe name?
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Brian Hill,

12/07/2008 10:51:09
Forget the details of You Gov the important fact is the SNP is ahead of Labour and at the end of the day there is only one figure which matters:

OIL $147 a barrel and RISING.

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Publius,

Girvan 12/07/2008 10:54:05
#98 Jimmy the Pie

You write that "Mason is a Clyde supporter". That's a good reason for not voting for him.
Socialists and football supporters are the bane of Scotland. The people of Glasgow East are the victims of both.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 10:54:31
country of course, but even less than a county in most peoples eyes. England on the other hand is recognised by everyone i speak to here. Indeed 'Anglichenyan' is the tern used for all British when in fact it means English.
It must make you very proud to be living in an un-recognised non-entity.
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Publius,

Girvan 12/07/2008 10:55:51
YouGov polls are based on the internet. How many voters in Glasgow East have access to the internet in their homes?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 10:58:03
126:

Whatever he is he is a pain in the a*se.
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John S,

12/07/2008 11:02:51
Polls: Using the same format as the SNP is proposing to put in a referendum which is to ask the Scots whether they agree or disagree that the administration should "negotiate a settlement with the government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an independent state".
TNS June 2008
I agree 39%
I do not agree 41%
Don't know 21%
TNS March 2008
I agree: 41%
I do not agree: 40%
Don't know: 19%
TNS Nov 2007
I agree 40%
I do not agree 44%
Don't know 16%
TNS System Three Aug 2007
I agree 35%
I do not agree 50%
Don't know 15%
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 11:14:09
133. A fair number of Labourites are tacit supporters of independence, the shift in the party won't happen overnight, but it is already taking place. The interests of the labour party in scotland in the rest of the UK diverge to quite a degree. Scottish social democracy is entirely held to ransom by being in the UK. The voting shows to some extent the displeasure of the core labour vote in Scotland with labour, but there is more to come. If Labour wins Glasgow East it still doesn't prove anything, just that they are lucky, if they lose it it proves alot more. This is still their seat to lose to the SNP. That's what an earthquake would be. Behind a rotten party is still a massive majority reservoir of voting opinion that is pro-social democracy and policies of the left. An independent Scotland might not have government by parties that are all minorities if there was one social democratic party - they would have an overall majority.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 12/07/2008 11:16:26
With regard to the latest poll and polls in general.

What the unionists want everyone to forget, (or amidst all the things unionists want everyone to forget) is the distance that each party has travelled to get into that position and that is why only unionists and the most avid Daily Record reader, which is much the same thing, would try and convince folk that these figures are not good for the SNP.

Of course in their desperation it's themselves they are really trying to convince.

Also does anyone else think it odd that where opinion polls are concerned we havn't had much news concerning the by-election, time was we would have been swamped by them?
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The Canadian,

12/07/2008 11:21:06
Great to be back after a marvellous trip to Scotland and London, England.
The Scots in the Highlands and in particular the Hebrides were particularly welcoming and it is clear we will be going back to talk with the families of our relatives we found in Scotland who left some 200 years ago.

What though has happened to the Native Highlanders they are so English in their language, their ways, thoughts and asperations. What a shock, their independence of spirit and clinging to their birthright and culture has gone completely under a cloak of English colonialist aspirations.
So much for as long as 100 etc is simply rubbish.

As for Inverness it really has an English Colonial mentality among its population. I have never heard such rabid anti-Gaelic feelings in any other place that I can recall to date.
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Nelmezzo,

Glasgow 12/07/2008 11:24:57
David Marshall was originally a member of the SNP. He left because he wanted to be an MP. A few years later he turned up as Labour candidate for the safe seat of Shettleston. Changed days.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 11:32:21
Rumble rumble rumble boom boom boom, run run run all you snivelling cringing agitating trolls run like the traitors and cowards you are, it is time, our nation is rising of it's knees run you cowards.



LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 11:33:24
#139 Canadian

I think you need help.
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The Canadian,

12/07/2008 11:34:36
142
It is not the English people that have the Colonial attitutes but the Scots themselves. It was called Brainwashing in another era.

I must say I understand much better why the Tartan Day Scottish Day fiasco occurred in New York. The Scots have lost their Scottishness.
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subrosa,

12/07/2008 11:37:12
Interesting article. Someone do the tiny thing for me please.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/830056/the-glasgow-east-byelection-shows-us-the-two-scotlands.thtml
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 11:37:21
#143 the noo

You are suffering from 'opressed minority syndrome'.

Help! Help! I'm being opressed!

Enjoy your paranoid delusional construct.
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The Canadian,

12/07/2008 11:40:22
142
Maybe you should get out a bit more and go to the Bus Station, the public Bars and Hotels in Inverness and talk to some of the local population.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 11:43:03
Unionists should take a moment before getting excited about any polls on independence. They are being conducted while the mirage of "more powers" still has a little credibility.

When Calman reports and the people of Scotland see that the more powers argument is totally false then lets see what happens.
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 11:43:33
#150 Canadian

Don't worry, I wear a kilt, talk Garlic, drink whisky, and emigrate all the time, so The Culture is safe.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 11:47:19
143 Hawkeye
You're right - the media are a scandal, especially the broadcast media. What is reporting scotland for exactly. Less than 30 seconds on the campaign yesterday. No politics please, we're reporting scotland - what are the majority of voters in Glasgow east going to watch in terms of news on the BBC - reporting scotland or newsnight scotland? but nothing about their by election on reporting scotland.
and that's not all...there should be a study of how reporting scotland and the BBC in scotland frame political stories, it should be monitored. there's no way that the labour party REALLY thinks that the BBC is against them and pro-SNP. You just need to close your eyes and listen to it. They frame their stories according to an editorial crib sheet, none of it is an accident.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 11:49:09
133 No 6:

I am afraid Scotland is a complete non-entity. There is 1 person representing Scotland for the whole of Russia for business and NO political representation.
You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think that is good enough in the modern world.
The Irish on the other hand have a huge community here and are represented at all levels.
So while you are proud of the useless G8 it's not really putting a pound in your or Scotlands pocket is it?
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Alfie Bett,

12/07/2008 11:50:15
How many times do you hear it "ach their aw the same jist oot fur theresels,wans as bad as the ither."
I suspect labour quite like it when people like this have these illogical sentiments,
Do these folk no stop and think "Hey, wait a minute, its only labour thats ever been voted in here for generations and maybe, just maybe the SNP wid do a better job than that shower o' labour twisters"
Labour prefer it that folk remain apathetic,they may not vote for them but their not voting against them either which suits them as they'll wheel oot their diminishing diehard core voters to get back in.
Thinking voters are bad news for labour they dont like it when folk start to think for themselves on their own,the more they think the more they realise the've been getting duped for years and will start to desert labour once they stop believing the big con that "labour represents the working man"what a joke!
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Weegieman,

12/07/2008 11:51:25
#136. So an SNP councillor buys a cheap flat in a dodgy building and then admits using his influence to try and put the state of the street to the top of the political agenda. Is that the basic story?
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John S,

12/07/2008 11:52:30
#147 - subrosa-I got-http://tinyurl.com/5agb44
Using - http://tinyurl.com/
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Publius,

Girvan 12/07/2008 11:56:41
#144 A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG

You must be the same person as 'Truely English'. Two people on this board making the same spelling mistakes is too much of a coincidence.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 12:01:12
#150 Haweye

Reading your posts and interested to know if you've fallen through some faultline in time and are in fact from the first half of the 18th century?
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Publius,

Girvan 12/07/2008 12:03:09
#157 Hawkeye the Noo

You overestimate the influence of the media. Berlusconi may have won two elections. But he's lost two elections too. In Eastern Europe the mass media, schools, books, films and everything else gave the same message about communism for nearly 50 years, but hardly anybody believed it and communism collapsed overnight.
Scottish opinion isn't made by the media. It is made by events and history. The majority now believe that Labour is played out, but the majority is not [yet?] convinced of independence. That's all there is to it. Any other argument smacks of conspiracy.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 12:15:55
#139 Canadian

Are you for real? The 'Native Highlanders' are all so English in their language and aspirations'. Priceless. What a patronising oaf. What did you expect? Groups of people fenced off, living in wee thatched cottages and ready to say 'ochone, ochone' for a handful of oatmeal? For your info, The Highlands, Scotland and the planet have moved on from the Brigadoon dreamworld you obviously inhabit. Just like the semi-American country you live in, the average kid over here is more likely to be affecting a mid-Atlantic/Gangsta rap/Estuary English patois than reciting Sorley.

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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 12:30:23
is this not the same poll that showed a massive increase for stayining in the union using the SNP question. As I have posted many times Scots are sick of Labour and happy to let the SNP run things, WITHIN the UK.
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 12:32:30
#111 Tweedmouth

Bit of a rambling post(only to be expected!).
One thing about your figures though. The numbers for Independence are rising. No matter how long it takes we'll get a majority.

Then its goodbye Union.

Can't come quick enough.


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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 12:36:41
#166

48% against 36% in favour the exact SNP question at a time when Unionist parties are massively unpopular all equals no chance.
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subrosa,

12/07/2008 12:43:46
The news that Alistair Darling isn't a Scot surprised me. He doesn't even say on his own website (biography) that he was born in London to English parents. Wonder why ...
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subrosa,

12/07/2008 12:44:24
# 158

Many thanks John.
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 12:48:10
All Politicians are the same, Scotland

Remember, we only ever need to win ONE referendum.

However long it takes, the day will come.
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danielrober,

12/07/2008 12:51:20
Alec.S is already planning the second charge of light brigade. Closely followed by the second clearances. Though this time it will Glasgows turn. After all how dare people just get on with their lives and not recognise the imporrtance of 'shout and bore'.

Any quick scan of Wikpedia will tell you any number of economic facts. But will we ever find out what AS was up to during the prelude to the coal strikes of 70's and 80's. mmmmmm
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 12:53:16
#170

Remember that you are only going to have one once a generation, in order to get one you have to have a majority at Holyrood and you have to get the people to vote for it. Salmond won't be around for ever and once he gos well Sturgeon? don't make me laugh. This is the best opportunity you will ever have, new oil discoveries, unpopular wars a labour party in meltdown and you are at 36% with a biased question., I won't hold my breath.
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 12:56:35
It doesn't have to be once a generation. With a majority SNP government in Scotland it can be as often as we fancy.


Try and show a bit of dignity and self respect.
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 12:57:38
#168 Subrosa

...I wonder why you bothered to write that?...
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 13:00:16
#173

Alex salmond said it could only take place "once in a generation" when pushed he admitted once every 30 years. I have plenty of self respect thanks I am happy that my country looks more secure today. 4r8% against 36% for with a question designed by physcologists to get a yes vote. happy days.
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 13:01:13
#157

STV? Grampian? BBC propoganda machine? Biased posters? Yawn?
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 13:02:48
#157

I think you are the one who has been 'conditioned'. Personally, I just regard the Scots as human beings, the same as everyone else.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 13:04:21
#176

You shouldn't engage him he is using SNP dfence mechanism no 3 if you cant win state that the other person is too stupid to understand and has been brainwashed. 48% against 36% for, its nae time yet.
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Iain's,

Barcelona. 12/07/2008 13:07:21
I wish the Scotsman would take action over the New Labour trolls who are ruining any sensible comment on this important matter.

It is about the election NOT national anthems.

p.s. I think Bruch's Scottish fantasy should be the anthem. Like Spain and Japan the anthem would have no words.

I hope The Tories win the election. That would REALLY upset the apple cart.
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McNic,

ayrshire 12/07/2008 13:09:40
I have just started to read the comments again after a couple of months off due to the puerile comments made by Onionists on these threads.

But it seems that there are now deliberately aggressive and non-factual posts that smell a bit fishy if you ask me.

Why are so many posters only interested in belittling the current political debate, also why are so many posters posting on threads that they seem to have no real interest in?


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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 13:09:48
#157

P.S. why do you think I am a 'unionist', by the way?
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 13:11:56
#179

I think Boris Jonhson would stand a good chance...
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S'me,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 13:17:19
Sorry, just cant take wee smug alex, self obsessed, seriously.. an embarrasment.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 13:17:39
#183

Don't get grumpy now the nats have crowed over every poll that showed them in with even a slim chance. The beauty of this poll is that it also showed the nats as m ore popular than Labour in a Westminster election, so hardly biased. It confirms what a lot of analysts have suspected, we are fed up with labour and want the SNP to govern WITHIN the UK, happy days.
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SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 13:23:28
Check this out! The SNP have removed that 66% lie from their website.

www.snp.org/node/14048

I suppose they think deleting Nicola Sturgeon falsely claiming that "The poll shows that two-thirds of Scots want Scotland to become an independent member of the European Union" means that nobody will ever know she said it.

Read it here. www.tinyurl.com/5pha6j
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 13:27:53
#188

I would never wish ill on anyone but if something happned to Alex it would be curtains, I may disagree with his policies but I respect his ability, intelligence and integrity. Sturgeon and the rst are seriously lightweight non entities.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 13:31:21
#189

In something as earh shattering as an Independence poll the turnout would be reasonably high, also undecideds generally vote for the status quo.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 13:37:36
#194

Congrats you are now in tune with the MAJORITY of the country.
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Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 12/07/2008 13:51:01
#190

And where does that put the rest of the parties?

That means it is curtains for them already.
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Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 12/07/2008 13:54:39
Nos 189 and so on.

The only votes that count are those of whom turn up to vote (except in Scttish elections of course). If people don't turn up they cannot complain, they had their chance.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 13:55:30
We Brave Scottish warriors are truely a magnificent race. Without us there would be no UK or British Empire for we were then and are now the very backbone of the UK.

Just look at the list of contributions we have made to the World can any other nation say this. Not our Anglo Saxon neighbours who have always been weakened by in breeding and foreign invasions, first conquered by the Romans and then the French.

The gene pool is so diluted now that the Scots are left to run the UK. Look at the great things we have invented.

Scotland gave to the world:

Refridgeration.
Dolly the sheep.
Postage stamps.
ATM Machines.
Television.
The fax machine.
Taramacadam roads.
Mackintosh raincoats.
The pneumatic tyre. (Dunlop.)
The steam engine.
Beta blocker drugs.
MRI scanners.
Gas Masks.
The speedometer.
Penicillin.
Malaria treatment .
Insulin.
TB innoculation.
The Walkodile.
Finger printing.
Radar.
The internet.
Thermodynamics.
The marine compass.
Sonar depth sounding.
Chlorophorm in surgery.
Antiseptic. (Listerine.)
The Bank of England. (William Patterson.)
The telephone. (Alexander Graham Bell.)
The Bicycle.
The decimal point. (Napier.)
Logarithyms. (Napier.)
The tank. (Napier.)
The postage stamp. (Chalmers.)
The breech loading rifle. (Major Patrick Ferguson.)
Whisky.
Haggis.
Golf.
Irn Bru.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 14:02:58
Is it any wonder the sassenachs are so paranoid and desperate, in their desperation to keep this brave nation of inventors and entrepreneurs in the UK.

Is it any wonder that their cyber slaves spend their lives in cyber fantasy land, sitting on their commodes with the same production from both ends.

Is it any wonder there people are flocking to the colonies to escape the degeneration of the Anglo Saxon tribe in there adopted kingdom.

The great day is upon us. Events will move very quickly at the end of 2008. Scotland will soon stand tall and proud in the family of free nations.
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The Canadian,

12/07/2008 14:03:40
It is time the Scots grew up and got their Independence or are they so weak that all they can do is cling onto their neighbours apron strings.

The good people of Alberta do not pay any Provincial Taxation because of the oil rich sands they have.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 14:08:38
Today, Scottish higher educational institutes are still responsible for 1% of the Worlds research, in a country with 0.07% of the global population.

The universities of Glasgow, St. Andrews and Edinburgh, outstrip such Ivy League institutions as Harvard.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 12/07/2008 14:08:51
Why should I be made to feel a second class citizen in my own native Scottish Nation within a dis-united UK that only mainly survives on corruption, lies, ambitiouse political opportunists, legal crooks and impostors when my only desire is to see its rightfull Independence as a sovereign nation being restored?
Can any one provide me with a sane and sensible answer?
If so, I would be delighted; as Brown's lying corrupt New Labour Party seem intent to send our young service personel all over the globe to establish this basic democratic ideal else where, bar Scotland!
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 14:11:19
#201. Good to see that our Scottish colony has got the internet we invented.
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walter,

12/07/2008 14:11:44
The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked their side, they persuades themselves that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to this belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against them.
Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but they are also (since they are conscious of serving something bigger than themselves) unshakably certain of being in the right.
As nearly as possible, no nationalist ever thinks, talks, or writes about anything except the superiority of his own power unit. It is difficult if not impossible for any nationalist to conceal his allegiance. The smallest slur upon his own unit, or any implied praise of a rival organization, fills him with uneasiness which he can relieve only by making some sharp retort.
History around the world shows the rhetoric of nationalist is the same "Real (insert nationality)" were defined as those who unquestioningly backed the Leader, the party, and their policies. Any dissent from those policies was portrayed as a betrayal, as the work of enemies. Those who did dissent were harassed, threatened, and charged with being traitors to the country.
When reading the comments of Scottish nationalist posted on forums such as these this is all to evident.

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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 14:19:41
#186 .... Meth. The official turnout in the Irish EU Referendum was 51.1%. Why are you telling lies?
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Alba Abú,

12/07/2008 14:21:38
199. What about the Buckfast brigade?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/07/2008 14:25:17
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He certainly got his council tax freeze.
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The Canadian,

12/07/2008 14:25:29
206
An Englishman invented the internet. Are you English?

Alexander Graham bell had to go Nova Scotia as the Scots were so tight-fisted and sceptical that he set up his operations in Canada.
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The Canadian,

12/07/2008 14:27:41
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Some people in Scotland still don't even have a computer never mind the internet.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 14:29:09
#205.....Theres more. http://tinyurl.com/5u8bbh
Artificial diamonds.
Flailing machine.
Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Brownian movement.
Maxwells equations.
Neptune.
Thermos bottles (Dewars)
Tubular steel
Sociology
Sherlock Holmes
Long John Silver
Auld Lang Syne
Paleobiology
Polarization of Light
US Navy
Navy of Chile
Economics
The Cloud Chamber
The Stereotype
Saki (Hector Hugh Munro)
The Steam-hammer
A cure for insomnia
Solitons
Quinine
Peter Pan
Hollow-pipe drainage
Paraffin
Postcards
Microwave Ovens
Marmalade
Maxwell's Equations in Electromagnetism
The Kelvin scale of temperature
Iron Bridges (Telford.)
hypodermic syringes
The Historical Novel (Sir Walter Scott)
Halloween
Hogmanay.
Geosciences
Cure for scurvy
Chemical Bonds
Colloid Chemistry
Buicks. (V8 Engines.)
Latent Heat
Bakelite/Damard
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 14:32:19
#215.

What point did you think you were making from the colonies.

Are you in the colonies or are you in the colony sitting on your commode spouting bile mixed with excremet from both ends.

What a sad waste of life.

I'm of now to ride my Harley invented by a son of a Scotsman.


Missing you already.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 14:33:28
207:

nutter...great broad sweeping statements, what a load of rubbish. pity is you tried to use your best thoughtie processthingis in it....pseudo-Freudian Unionists now..whatever nexy lol
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 14:34:25
217:

all thanks to your wonderful union. proud of all those points are we?
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Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 14:35:07
"I think the ground is starting to tremble and shudder, I think the earthquake is on the way," said Mr Salmond

crunch!..shudder!.rumble!.rumble!..

Its getting nearer

I think the ground is starting to tremble and shudder, I think the earthquake is on the way," said Mr Salmond
crunch!..shudder!.rumble!.rumble!.. crack!


and nearer

Oh the noise has stopped it was just Alex walking around Glasgow(not far mind what with his chauffeur driven limo..near by.....vroom..vroom)

he really should go on a diet!
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 14:36:35
#216 A TRUELY etc, etc

Surely the Indians invented Neptune?
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 14:38:52
#222

If the ground is trembling, perhaps Salmond should stop eating the pies.
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 14:41:58
#221

I'll vote for that!

I am anticipating long dry spells, post-independence. I presume we will dig a trench along the border and sail away to sunnier climes.
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Observer. 1,

12/07/2008 14:45:45
What has happened to the Herald ?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 14:53:44
Holidays:

Downing Street has declined to discuss Prime Minister Gordon Brown's plans but London paper the Evening Standard reported he would take a traditional "bucket-and-spade" break on the coast of East Anglia.

haha...

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Observer. 1,

12/07/2008 14:54:31
#60 that is very boring. Can you not come up with a criticism of the SNP candidate other than an Islamophobic one ? You must be rather desperate methinks.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 14:55:04
Hardly ever comes to Scotland now oor Gordie...wonder why?
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Suomi,

SaloFinland 12/07/2008 14:59:54
John Mason the SNP candidate is actually a Clyde supporter.The reference to him supporting Rangers is just an attempt to drag sectarianism in to the by election. I support Celtic and Scottish independence.I wouldn't car whether John Mason supported Rangers or Inverness Clach,I wish him well.I sense that there is a swing to the SNP and we can expect quite a lot more of the stuff we have seen on these postings today.Sad,but predictable.
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Observer. 1,

12/07/2008 14:59:57
#74 Margaret Curran is not a dog, that could be construed as sexist as she would have to be termed a bitch. She is a Valkyrie, and she has her own theme tune by Wagner. Imagine that playing as she swoops into Cranhill from her base at her 3/4 mill mansion in Newlands where she forgot she lived for the past twenty years.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/07/2008 15:03:07
#223

Ah the anyone who does not support Independence is a spineless traitor arguement, is that no 4 or 5 in nationalist lines to take.
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Observer. 1,

12/07/2008 15:03:10
#77 you are confused. Most Glasgow councillors are season ticket holders at Parkhead, but most Glasgow councillors are Labour.

Mr Mason is a Baptist. They don't really have alliegances.

But nice try at sectarianism anyway, better luck next time.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:05:07
she should be in those tena lady adverts, never seen anyone get so wound up when they speak, in fact she winds herself up...she reminds me of Kevin Keegan..weird or what?
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monkey man,

12/07/2008 15:10:01
The Scottish people aren't stupid enough to vote for total independence as they know it is English money that keeps they and Scotland itself afloat.

Independence means bye-bye to free care for the elderly, free student fees, free NHS, etc. Unless, of course, they swap cadging from one Union of Britain to sponging from the E-Union. Either way they don't have the courage to stand alone as an independent nation. Wee fatty Salmond is well aware of this.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 12/07/2008 15:13:21
re 233

Comedian?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:14:27
240..

such political insight...amazing when i read something of such depth i just wonder where it comes from..a real deep political thinker with an acute grasp of European politics and finace..amazing!
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Iainbroch,

12/07/2008 15:14:47
re 240

Eck seen right through you then.?
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Iainbroch,

12/07/2008 15:16:34
re 241!

They are only following the example of Liebaah - Broonie and his cabal have blaming everyone else for thier woes - so Why cant we blame Nirvana?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:18:36
241..

as Scottish independence cannot be blamed just who else can you blame...it is the UNION that has left areas to rot like that as far as i am aware.

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Iainbroch,

12/07/2008 15:19:55
re 217

All wonderful benefits of Nirvana. Cant think of any better reasons for keeping Nirnanay State of UK
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 15:21:33
#240 Monkey Brain

If, like you say, Engerland 'keep' us, why would they object to us leaving??

You really are one of the most idiotic posters to gibber on this site.

Oh yes, and try and use correct grammar, you half wit. It is the Queen's English after all!!
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Weegieman,

12/07/2008 15:22:28
#240 Monkey Man. I'm an SNP activist too, honest! So what's the routine? Is it to insult Scots by calling them "spongers" and saying they don't have the "courage" to untie the English apron strings, that kind of thing?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:22:41
217:

He certainly seems to get off on stating what a disgrace areas of his own country are in..but presumably happy with the overall political settlement that put us there...
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monkey man,

12/07/2008 15:23:07
The SNP and their coat trailing knuckle draggers are traitors to Scotland and its community by attempting to delude them into a future existence of endless poverty and oblivion. Wee Fatty "two salaries" Salmond will be fine though.

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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:25:26
we have had endless poverty and oblivion under the union you goon
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Weegieman,

12/07/2008 15:27:34
#252 Nice one, Monkey Man. I think I get the idea now. So we pretend to be against independence and tell Scots how useless they are. Great tactic. Sweet!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:28:04
252 Monkey Man:

I think you are Maggie 'Keegan' Curran's wee boy...go to bed..your mum will be home soon and ragin!
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Iainbroch,

12/07/2008 15:28:44
re 246

You missed oot insanity! Oh and you missed oot stupidity!Oh and you missed oot corrupt! Oh and you missed oot evil!

If you are going to accuse Sane, patriotic,intelligent,courageous and fair minded Nats of a certain type of behaviour then why dont you list everything that looks back at you in the mirror every morning?
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Mikey,

12/07/2008 15:31:27
Monkey Man just proves the theory about putting 500 chimps in a room with typewriters for about 500 years.

After that time, it is theorised that one would produce something readable!

Now, Monkey Man. Away and groom Gordie, your alpha male! You never know, you might get a banana!
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PointOf View,

Edinburgh Stirling Bridge. 12/07/2008 15:33:30
48. MacRae worrier
Hi i totally agree with your post have said it myself not that long ago. However, after much consideration i'd still rather trust SNP to get best deal for the Scots, rather than that lieing westminister scumbag crowd. SNP remains the way forward for Scotland. Once Independant i'm sure more SCOTTISH political parties will emerge. See Scottwebs web site.

Take care mate.
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The Tin Man,

12/07/2008 15:33:56
#251 Nevotchka

If Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are responsible for teenage pregnancies, I think we should be told :-)
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Weegieman,

12/07/2008 15:35:09
#258 Stupendous, Monkey Man. You've got the more feral of our fellow SNP activists well worked up now! They think you're for real. Brilliant! Keep at it!!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:35:59
257:
you can't get any more worse than the 'worst' can you?
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Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 15:36:38
#207 walter

If you would like to see what the Mad nationalist are like follow this link.........


http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/Broon_Swing_o_meter_about5562.html
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Nevsky,

Moscow: 12/07/2008 15:38:25
Judging by Blair's wife he's no too fussy..god knows what he would do after a bottle of mad dog 20/20...ok ok unfair i know..but she had an unplanned pregnancy but she won't be in the Bellshill Community Centre i am thinking!
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monkey man,

12/07/2008 15:39:36
The wee Bravehearts just don't get it at all. They imagine some mythical Brigadoon will emerge after any so-called independence when all they will have in reality is a new Albania. The good people down south will keep sending the food parcels though. lol
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Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 15:47:27
#265

look what the nats would like to do to unionists

http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/Broon_Swing_o_meter_about5562.html
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monkey man,

12/07/2008 15:49:58
# 266

I know, but try telling that to Mad Jack McMad and the other Nat loonys.! lol

Its re-set your clock back to Culloden with these maniacs. lol
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:52:18
268: Number 6

Perhaps you could give us all the examples seeing as you seem you have such knowledge?

Any northern European country would do that has failed drastically.

Waiting for your reply?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:53:34
tum te tum
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:55:34
No didn't think i would get a reply. That's what happens with empty rhetoric it exposes the empty head!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 15:57:27
269, Monkey:

And i don't think Culloden is anything to LOL at really do you?

Yes you probably do!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:02:30
275: Number 6...

Erm if you don't know then what is the point of you even talking on the subject of independence? Seems you know nothing on the subject.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:05:31
Lets look through the round window shall we at the Baltic States..you know those ones, the wee ones..did you forget?
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 12/07/2008 16:06:08
Judging by the last flurry of messages,the SNP candidate must be doing really well in Glasgow East.I find the amount of comments about Braveheart and Brigadoon,almost as useful as an opinion poll in assessing how things are going.

One thing does concern me about some postongs.In the rest of the world,independance is normal,taken for granted.God knows what any foreigners reading these sites must think about Scotland.My Finnish family think that we have quite a lot of crazy people.I explained that it the result of people who took winning for granted,struggling to adapt to change.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:08:28
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in case the word Baltic confuses you. Far from becoming Albania these countries are expeced to be in surplus in two year from a base of little or no infrastructure and hardly any natural resources, little or no banking or financial system or even the basics of a market economy..but now doing quite well now..i believe one none of these countries has a social record as bad as Scotland?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:10:49
I would certainly be embarassed to try and explain to any Russian the thinking of any of these unionists. Scotland is the only country in the world with people that continually run the country down, it's just a disgrace really.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:19:00
Number 6

Nothing would fill people like you with confidence, that is the sad thing about it all.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:22:14
Nu 6

It's no 'romantic viewpoint' i know these countries and go and ask them if they would hand their independence back and see what they would say to you!

That's not romanticism, it's reality.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:29:44
An expert on Russian politics as well i see, do tell me all about it?
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monkey man,

12/07/2008 16:29:50
Extremist nationalisism is founded on bigotry and racism with a scapegoat as its feature. In Scotland's case its " the Engerlush." In the current world economic crisis I'm not surprised that the lowest elements in our society turn to our very own particular brand of nationalism as a saviour. Others did in Germany in a similar situation in the 1930's....
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:31:07
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more than you
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 16:37:55
We talking about Russian foreign policy now?

You must have attention deficit disorder as well as being a bit dumb then.

No surprise with Unionists jumping about with crazy rhetoric they begin to feel a bit hot. But from Glasgow to Albania to Polonium is quite the most cumbersome feat of logic i have seen in a while.
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Sunrise,

Fife 12/07/2008 16:47:58
Number: 6

I might be able to help you here.

If Scotland were independent we may indeed be worse off….. or if we stayed in this union we may also be worse off. But as it stands at the moment, if we do not change our status with the UK, we will be better or worse off depending on what London wants to give us, or not.

I do not want this situation for Scotland.

The Labour party in Scotland continually try and scare us with tales of horror as to what might happen if Scotland became independent. Their negative views as to the capabilities of Scots disgust me.

This is especially true because of the evidence of Labour's self-seeking behaviour over the last 50 years that they held power in Scotland. Just look at the current Glasgow East MP. How Marshal got the job and, the abuse of his position since he got it. All the while doing nothing for the people he represented. These Feeble Labour MPs got into politics for a well paid career only, and their concerns are not the people that voted for them but the Labour Club that they all belong to. Keep the club happy and get a nice little Job in politics or in a state sector department or a state funded quango.

No, The Labour party are the last place people should look to for people that care about the people. They never have before why should they change now.

I believe the people of Glasgow are wise to the lot of them and they will take the opportunity to tell them this in the upcoming bye-election.

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Conan the Librarian™,

12/07/2008 16:48:20
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Modern times? The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia Croatia etc.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

HEARING THUNDER LIKE MY HARLEY 12/07/2008 16:53:01
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Ah the...."Ah the anyone who does not support Independence is a spineless traitor arguement, is that no 4 or 5 in nationalist lines to take."

"arguement" are you French or just plain thick?

Over your head a wee bit, it must hurt so much trying to work these things out when you were so deprived of oxygen at birth.

Nothing to do with who supports anything. Take me for example. I have been an advocate for Scottish Independence for decades. Do I vote SNP? Well no actually.....But I applaud the way that they have focused UK politics on national pride respect and understanding, and if that means the downfall of the sneering UK elite such as Cairns, Darling, Broon, Browne and all the other traitors then more to the good.
People like your good self and #217, (probably the same person,) and your many other Scotsman monikers who come on here to sneer and drop anti Scottish rhetoric like little piles of rat droppings, for you all I reserve the accolade of traitor, cringer, supine sychophant, spineless docile supplicant, just because you are so full of self hate and lacking in self respect does not mean we have to accept your Victorian brand of Scotland. It is now 2008, and it is time.There are now many more people who support independence than the staus quo, and I don't mean the old gobbers in jeans.

Boom boom boom boom rumble rumble rumble, run run little rats run to your holes.
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12/07/2008 16:55:31

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Why do Nats make stuff up?,
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87 Tommy Trout

That anti-Jacobite verse isn't part of the national anthem. It was abandoned 30 or 40 years before that song was even accepted as the national anthem.

I don't care a damn when this verse was abandoned. I will never again stand to attention for a queen who, along with Gordon Brown, has put her signature to a Treaty that will lead us into the swamp that is the EU dictatorship.

Gordon Brown was in a rush to get his filthy hands on the £10.000,000 reward for ratifying the Lisbon Treaty....what is her excuse?
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

BONNIE FRIENDLY FREE AND PEACE LOVING 12/07/2008 16:56:59
Scotland gave to the world:

http://tinyurl.com/5u8bbh

Refridgeration.
Dolly the sheep.
Postage stamps.
ATM Machines.
Television.
The fax machine.
Taramacadam roads.
Mackintosh raincoats.
The pneumatic tyre. (Dunlop.)
The steam engine.
Beta blocker drugs.
MRI scanners.
Gas Masks.
The speedometer.
Penicillin.
Malaria treatment .
Insulin.
TB innoculation.
The Walkodile.
Finger printing.
Radar.
The internet.
Thermodynamics.
The marine compass.
Sonar depth sounding.
Chlorophorm in surgery.
Antiseptic. (Listerine.)
The Bank of England. (William Patterson.)
The telephone. (Alexander Graham Bell.)
The Bicycle.
The decimal point. (Napier.)
Logarithyms. (Napier.)
The tank. (Napier.)
The postage stamp. (Chalmers.)
The breech loading rifle. (Major Patrick Ferguson.)
Whisky.
Haggis.
Golf.
Irn Bru.
Artificial diamonds.
Flailing machine.
Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Brownian movement.
Maxwells equations.
Neptune.
Thermos bottles (Dewars)
Tubular steel
Sociology
Sherlock Holmes
Long John Silver
Auld Lang Syne
Paleobiology
Polarization of Light
US Navy
Navy of Chile
Economics
The Cloud Chamber
The Stereotype
Saki (Hector Hugh Munro)
The Steam-hammer
A cure for insomnia
Solitons
Quinine
Peter Pan
Hollow-pipe drainage
Paraffin
Postcards
Microwave Ovens
Marmalade
Maxwell's Equations in Electromagnetism
The Kelvin scale of temperature
Iron Bridges (Telford.)
hypodermic syringes
The Historical Novel (Sir Walter Scott)
Halloween
Hogmanay.
Geosciences
Cure for scurvy
Chemical Bonds
Colloid Chemistry
Buicks. (V8 Engines.)
Latent Heat
Bakelite/Damard
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SNP hypocrisy,

12/07/2008 17:15:29
Labour are now odds on favourites at the Bookies to win the seat. Foregone conclusion anyway whatever the smirking fat man would like to believe. :-)
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SNP hypocrisy,

12/07/2008 17:20:22
Evia, 98. You are well misled if you think the SNP won't take Scotland into the EU. That is in fact their goal and sole policy "Independence in Europe". You are talking utter pash if you think that somehow the SNP will save Scotland from the excesses of the EU.

Reality is that the SNP want to surrender our pound and adopt the Euro, and surrender our banking and currency to the faceless money-men of Europe. If you want to be dominated by Corrupt Eurocrats and see Scotland at the mercy of the wide-spread corruptuon of the EU - then the best and quickest way to do this is to vote SNP. Really do your homework on the SNP before you vote for these people! :-(
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12/07/2008 17:20:23
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So the Czech Republic is Southern Europe?
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12/07/2008 17:31:23
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And if Alexander Litvinenko had brought up Polonium he might still be alive.
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12/07/2008 17:33:52
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Is there some kind of Mason Dixon line in Europe then?

Ans Secession doesn't really count below it?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 17:39:27
Time for a mental earthquake.

We are, therefore we must be. Hmmm? What can that mean?

Is this a slum I see before me? Is this home?

What have I been doing all these years? What have I done for Scotland?
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12/07/2008 17:42:51
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Thankyou. I suspected you were one of the raving Unionistas, but they/he/it, doesn't do compliments.

And you have done two in one thread.

Is this a new tactic...
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 18:10:21
I see the rest of the world are ignoring Our Dear Leader, Comrade Broon.

Did he not visit Saudi Arabia to tell OPEC to increase production to bring down prices????
They reach a new record yesterday!!!

Did he not demand other NATO countries supply more troops for Afghanistan.
Ignored!!!

He wanted the Security Council to impose sanctions on Zimbabwe?
Vetoed bt Russia and China!!!

Tells the country to stop wasting food while gorging himself on an 8 course banquet!!!

Not really much of a statesman is he. In fact he's pretty useless, like the rest of his sleaze ridden party.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:12:33
318, good Lawd, the answer to that is the same as the the answer to the question of how you can guarantee to give a woman an o r g as m every time you make love to her.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/07/2008 18:14:45
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And the more rabid Unionists do not?

You know who I mean.

Sphincters...
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:15:01
yon automaton that passes for a word censor is a real po faced retard
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:17:56
318, the answer to 320 is, who cares.

But you will know when it happens.

O R G A S M -that is a grownup word, automaton.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/07/2008 18:18:29
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elisabeth the first is a good bet.

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Just give her money instead Jock ;-)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:24:29
This E F F I N G post has been p a s s e d by the Scotsman Board of Censors as suitable for adults over 60.
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Dòmhnall,

Bottom-wiggles-worth-shire, in a strange land call 12/07/2008 18:25:31
post vocalic 'R' s post vocalic 'R' s
post vocalic 'R' s post vocalic 'R' s
post vocalic 'R' s post vocalic 'R' s
Funny, quaint, unusual, strange, funny (again) English people cannot pronounce their post vocalic 'R' s

Another REALLY funny thing: why do some Unionists rant on about Scots independence being a terrible thing, whilst decrying the Treaty of Lisbon as another move towards a European Empire???? Empire is the operative word here; is not the United Kingdom the product of Englands empire?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:31:44
324 Conan, give them money? Hey, what do you think I am? I don't need to pay for grief.

Elizabeth the first is an interesting name as she should only be Elizabeth on any Scottish website. Anything else is imperialism.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:35:47
326, Dòmhnall, yes, quite. Makes you wonder why there are 2 ts in glottal stop.
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New Unionist Poster,

12/07/2008 18:39:47
Is it worth putting a pony on The Tories? I think they've got a chance.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:43:54
Are you the 330 at Perth?

Seriously, the Tories under Annabel are mature and reasonable. One for the future, I reckon.
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New Unionist Poster,

12/07/2008 18:56:36
I meant a pony that they save their deposit.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 12/07/2008 19:04:26
The posts on this thread is now becoming tiresome and has descended into 'yah boo' with no sensible debate on the issues that matter to the citizens of East Glasgow or of Scotland.
Monkey man and Number:6 are the worst offenders bringing in inferences to sectrarianism and fascism and trying to insinuate that the SNP supporters are fellow travellers of those creeds.

Monkey man writes, "Extremist nationalisism is founded on bigotry and racism with a scapegoat as its feature. In Scotland's case its " the Engerlush." In the current world economic crisis I'm not surprised that the lowest elements in our society turn to our very own particular brand of nationalism as a saviour. Others did in Germany in a similar situation in the 1930's...." This slur is not worthy of any comment. It is puerile, not evidenced by any facts, and comes from someone incapable of sensible debate.

Or, from Number:6 who writes, "I wonder if John Mason will be on the campaign trail today or if he will be out on an orange walk." Once again the sectarian card is played without a shred of truth, only relying on Mr Mason's Baptist faith. Why an SNP member whose aim is the dissolution of the Union would belong to an institution supporting the Union is not explained. The poster knows full well that there is a large Roman Catholic presence in East Glasgow and his attempt here is to stir up religious division.

The SNP has never been associated with extremist philosophies and is an 'independence' party not a 'nationalist' party in the 1930s meaning of that term.

I don't know who these characters are but I would guess they are young and naive and posting these controversial comments is a bit of a game to them to see what response it will elicit. Bigger fools them who rise to their bait.

I realise that sensible Unionists and Labour supporters exist. The former believe in the British state as an entity for the "Great Power" status which it wields, e.g. a veto at the UN or for the largely 'Eng
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Huntly loon,

12/07/2008 19:05:36
'English' nature of its major public institutions. The economics of British versus Scottish are overplayed. In the European context countries of different sizes exist, but pretty much all (at least in the western parts) have comparable levels of economic activity and general prosperity.

The latter, the Labour supporter believes in the social democratic principles of shared care for the less fortunate in the community, and it is an ideal which is no longer confined only to the LabourParty but among supporters of other parties including Conservatives, Libdems and Scottish Nationalists.

What is wrong with Labour, and it is something that began long before New Labour, is the general corrosiveness of its structures where it has held unfettered power in certain areas, typically West Central Scotland. Membership was seen as a way out of relative poverty and able working class children were rewarded for their loyalty and endeavour by receiving positions in public service or the trade union movement. This was often rewarded with selection as candidates in local or national government. In itself this would not have been a problem had it not metamorphosised into the seeking after office for its own end where it became the 'career' in itself with the great tax-paid reward of a permanent sinecure with salaries and expenses way beyond those of the communities from where they came. The 'social workers' who have grown rich on the 'poverty industry', sought not to stay in the areas where they found their work but 'aspired' to move into the areas where the 'middle' and 'upper' classes lived. But that was not the worst aspect of this monopolistic power base. The real damage came when children of the middle and upper classes used the Labour Party as the vehicle for career advancement. Individuals who had never had meaningful contact with the working classes, who had never lived in a household of unemployment or deprivation. The children of lawyers, of ministers, of doctors who jo
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Huntly loon,

12/07/2008 19:06:43
joined the Labour Party for goodness knows what purpose who have kept their own comforts without having done much to spread that comfort to others who despise the classes that they claim to represent. I just cannot imagine the Gordon Browns, the Wendy Alexanders, the Alastair Darlings heading up the lift of a tower block flat, with a couple of cans and a litre of white cider, frying up tattie scones or heading down to the chippies for a redpudding supper and a bottle of ginger, or panicking when they are down to their last fag and raking out the rizzlas to make themselves a rolly from the tabby-ends.

That is why the Labour Party has fallen into the state it has. It has been hijacked by those who would not recognise working class culture, humour or attitudes if they fell over it. They would sooner check the sole of their shoes to see what they had stood in.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 12/07/2008 19:26:21
I must have hit a nerve
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Kim McLaggan,

McAdam 12/07/2008 19:27:36
Hopefully the polls for the SNP will go even higher,many of us here in Canada of Scottish heritage are very pleased with the new political wave in Scotland,a long time in the process.
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New Unionist Poster,

12/07/2008 19:35:19
Huntly

Good posts. I note number 6 didn't get beyond the first paragraph. I can just see him following the words on the monitor trying not to lose his place.

You are correct. He's either a child or a seriously disturbed adolescent.
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New Unionist Poster,

12/07/2008 19:43:49
Number 6 and Monkey Man.

You do the cause no good whatsoever. Your posts appear anti-Scottish. That is not what unionism is about. Unionism is about a strong within the UK.
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New Unionist Poster,

12/07/2008 19:46:20
If independence ever happens, there will be elections where all parties will stand. We can't encourage waverers by putting the country down. It would be ludicrous. Please try meaningful posts to put the unionist view across.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 19:53:05
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Number: 6,
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"#81 Scottish Person. What a pathetic post.

So you do not want information on Luke Donald because he is English?

What an idiot you are. People like you are exactly the reason why we should never have independence...............................
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Huntly my goodness, is this a contest for the longest post in history?

I fell asleep after the first paragraph.

You should write a book. Nobody would buy it but it might at least stop you boring everybody to death on this forum....................."








You have been on duty now for 11 hours you poor cyber slave. Does AM2 know about you? Oh you are AM2. I should have known the pattern and the prose is exactly the same, except you seem to have forgotten to cu n paste all your little lists and tables.

But straight of the bat at 0817 posting insults and abuse, and then you have the temerity to complain when others do it to you. A first class degree in hypocrysy....



I was out on the Harley earlier today and took a run down through N Ayrshire, Auchinleck, Glenbuck and eventually to Ayr. I was stoped in one nameless place by an Orange Lodge march, blasting out there bigottry and triumphalism about slaughtering Catholics and being up to their knees in "Feenyan blood."

As I sat at the side of the road watching this archaic tribal spectacle a man and woman stopped by to speak to me. You know the kind, tatoos, teeth like a row of condemed houses, nicotine up to the elbows and a can of cider in one hand whilst the other nursed a roll up, and that was just her. They really liked my bike and she thought I was going to allow her on the back, at which point I refused, to be met with a stream of filth and abuse. He had turned his back and began to urinate on a hedge, whilst mouthing obscenities about how I was likely to be of the other persuasion anyway.

At this point two fine young officers of the law appeared and began to
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 19:53:52
from #343.......

At this point two fine young officers of the law appeared and began to usher them into a nice big shiny van with blue lights on the top, presumably they were going to see they got home ok.

It didn't spoil my run, but it did leave me with a distinct bad taste in my mouth at this ancient British custom. Thank God we will soon be shot of them.
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A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

12/07/2008 19:59:29
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Number: 6,
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"Huntly my goodness, is this a contest for the longest post in history?

I fell asleep after the first paragraph."








Good grief no wonder you fell asleep with the amount of hours you have been at your post. Are you Polish or Ukrainian, are you here legally. There are laws in the EU on Employment contracts that protect you if you are here legally.
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ruthie,

alba 12/07/2008 20:01:23
People of Glasgow East, you have a chance to show the LIEbour party that you are not going to sit back and let them make us poorer any more while they get richer. Use it!
Curran didn't make you her first choice, nor was she the first choice of LIEbour (but they couldnae get anyone else as everyone else seems to be under investigation for corruption)
Remember why we are having this by election in the first place. (and how IS mr Marshall's "health", no mention of him in our "scottish" media, but then, this "newspaper" - and i use the term loosely- wouldnae want to upset the LIEbour party, after all, seeing as the LIEbour snouts already perceive the media to be biased against them)
LIEbour had their chance and clearly proved that they are not the party of the people. Stop them strangling Scotland's potential.
VOTE SNP.It's time.
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"#342 you are of course correct.

But just you wait and see how you get on. Anything you say on here that is deemed anti Snp or pro union seems to be an open invite to the nat posters to inundate the website with all types of personal abuse.

You will soon see."












Just like the sample you delivered at 0817 , what a day you have had, your lonely wee brain cell must be really sore.
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Iainbroch,

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Britannica’s Spongiform Encephalitis

The Centre for Disease control in Atlanta USA have identified a new outbreak. They have given it the acronym of BSE?

There are several recognisable symptoms. The victims inflicted might display any or all of the symptoms!

1. Idiocy – IQs that are well below Global averages. It appears that any educational achievement has been totally wasted on these poor individuals. Stupidity is a slight variation of the idiocy symptoms.
2. Gutlessness – Cowardice, lack of spine, and a metaphorical hollowness where the stomach should be. They are thought to be immune to alcohol as well as nothing seems to be capable of giving them any courage – Dutch or otherwise?
3. Insanity – they are apparently of the belief that they everything in their reality is perfect. Total refusal to see the c!!! that is engulfing their lives? It is possible that these poor individuals might be experiencing hallucinations? Hallucinations are evident in more severe cases! A great many sufferers appear to think they are living in 17th Century Ireland.
4. Bovine, Ovine and Lupine Behaviours. The female sufferers are apt to herd and moo a lot. Both male and female are apt to flock and bleat. There is also the tendency for them to pack at election times and Cry Wolf. You can hear them howling dire predictions of the end of the world is nigh if you don’t vote Liebaah or Fib Dem etc.
5. Treason – Easily bought and sold for foreign coin. Although they actually come even cheaper as many will accept worthless trinkets. Being a subservient flunkey seems to come easily to the victims of this disease. The more ambitious ones also mistakenly believe that the English will vote for a jock as PM.
6. Dependency – Perhaps closely related to other symptoms. They view that they are dependent on income etc on London rule. London in turn will do all that it can to sustain this illusion! There is a total lack of spiritual and moral values in sufferers. It is far easier for
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1. Dependency – Perhaps closely related to other symptoms. They view that they are dependent on income etc on London rule. London in turn will do all that it can to sustain this illusion! There is a total lack of spiritual and moral values in sufferers. It is far easier for them to live life on their backs or on their knees. They lack the moral, spiritual and physical strength and courage to do anything else. They are equally susceptible to various types of Bribery and Blackmail.
2. Obsessional Blame Syndrome – Automatic reaction to blame SNP for every evil that befalls the world and to attach blame to said organisation for anything that goes wrong in the grand scheme of things.
3. Rabies – Will foam at mouth and attempt to assault you when the following words and phrases are uttered – SNP. Independence, Oil, Flower of Scotland, Saltire, the Wallace, Alex Salmond, Sean Connery, Scotland and Scottish. Be very careful when they are aroused like this they can be very spiteful, vindictive and poisonous!

There are other aspects to this very distressing disorder but they are too many to list here. It is most commonly found in Onioist political parties! There are also clusters of the disease in the press and media. Particularly the BBC and the Hootsman.
Perhaps more disturbing is the seemingly persistent presence of the disease in several so called academic and professional institutions. It is also noted there appears to be several geographical clusters but these are thought to be in slow decline?

On the good news front it appears the disease is in slow decline as numbers of Fib Dems and true blue Tories are becoming statistically insignificant. The Liebaah Party also appears to be imploding – however the most recent outbreaks in the Liebaah Party have been historically the most virulent, so virulent that the disease jumped species to the Fib Dems a once progressive political party. CDC predicts that outbreaks in Liebaah Party will get more virulent yet.

On a
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Iainbroch,

12/07/2008 20:09:09
On a more positive note there is no significant evidence to suggest that there is any genetic link in someone catching the disease. Just because my dad voted Liebaah it does not follow that I will. Also there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that Damascus conversions are possible? Dare I say that sooner or later the afflicted will see the light?

CDC projections hold out the hope that disease will eventually decline to such an extent that it will no longer pose a direct and significant threat to the spiritual, moral, mental, cultural and physical health of the Scottish Nation? It will not be possible to totally eradicate it as there will be minor outbreaks for the foreseeable future – when Celtic play Rangers for instance but with sensible precautions it can be contained.

See most recent case studies – Margaret Curran, Bendy Wendy, Broonie, Nicol Stephen, Des Browne and Kirsty Wark? There are plenty of other that would make for particularly interesting case studies
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puskas,

East kilbride 12/07/2008 20:11:13
Hi Huntly,

A good post and easy for most people to understand. I did say most people.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/07/2008 20:11:32
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Err...Unfortunately we won't. They will still be here...And the conditions and attitudes that brought them about will be here for a long time too.

Unless...

A complete clean sweep.
No religious schools.
Destroy the power of the pushers by making drugs, legal, licensed and taxed.
A form of conscription, military or non-military to teach the discipline which is not imposed in prisons, but sought after for self-improvement.

And no Monarchy.

Rant over.Going for a pint.
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Suomi,

Salo,Salo 12/07/2008 21:15:39
#356 suggesting that someone should try to find a brain cell is not very scholarly,and will not win votes.My estimation of these postings is that Labour must be having a very difficult time in Glasgow East.As an old SNP activist from the 1970's I find this amazing but encouraging.I am tempted to take a flight into Glasdgow on the final week to help with the SNP effort.
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Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 21:28:07
#357 suomi

Whats your opinion on snp supporters posting items like this

http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/Broon_Swing_o_meter_about5562.html

you know hanging Umionists
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 22:01:40
Night all and never forget;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTeNhhm2v58&feature=related
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LEAL,

13/07/2008 10:01:10
What odds are the bookies offering on independence these days?Maybe worth a punt before the Glasgow East result is factored in.
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Evia,

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SNP hypocrisy

I did not say I vote for SNP but I would vote for any party that would get us out of the EU with all the corruption and stupid laws.

The only reason I would vote SNP if I lived in Glasgow East is because I would like to see lying, cheating Brown get such a bloody nose that he would bleed to death. The man is a danger to the British people and only interested in getting his £10.000,000 for ratifying the Lisbon Treaty that would put us entirely under the control of the EU. We would be better out of the EU and into EFTA.

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sonofhamish,

edinburgh 13/07/2008 18:36:10
It just proves that there was never, is not and never will be majority support for independance. The ONLY reason the SNP is doing well is because Labour is doing so badly. I know its hard for the Nat muppets to swallow the bitter truth on this one. Of course Salmons grinning mug never helps in these matters...
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 14/07/2008 14:46:41
#365 Wrong. You are misguided in your assumption. The reason the SNP is doing so well is because they are doing a good job and people are voting for them instead of the criminal labour gang. Independance is now a simple formality. especially once Gordon Brown is ousted by his own backstabbers within the next month and SNP win the glasgow East by-election
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 14/07/2008 18:27:32
I am shortly moving from this over taxed nanny state - mainly because I don't want 40% of my hard earned cash going into Labours coffers so they can squander it on piffle and wind - I hope Labour are crushed at the next election and I hope whoever replaces them has the balls to undo the rubbish that they have installed over the last decade.

 

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