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Political earthquake on the way – Salmond



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Published Date: 12 July 2008
A POLITICAL earthquake has started in Glasgow East that will change the political landscape, Alex Salmond, the First Minister, claimed yesterday.
He was commenting on the findings of a YouGov poll that showed the SNP had passed Labour in popularity across Scotland.

It had SNP support at 33 per cent, Labour on 29 per cent, the Tories on 20 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 14 per cent. The same poll showed support for independence at 36 per cent, with 48 per cent against.

The SNP also highlighted a poll finding that 49 per cent of Scots want the SNP to win in Glasgow East, compared with 33 per cent who favour Labour.

But Labour dismissed the poll as unrepresentative of Glasgow East. It said: "Interesting though this poll is on the views of Scots on issues such as independence, this Scotland-wide poll tells us very little about the views of people in the East End."

The SNP says it has high hopes of overturning Labour's 13,500 majority in the by-election on 24 July.

"I think the ground is starting to tremble and shudder; I think the earthquake is on the way," Mr Salmond said as he visited a Tesco supermarket in the Shettleston part of the constituency yesterday. "It's good to know that Scotland is cheering on the SNP in this by-election."

Mr Salmond's supermarket visit was intended to get across the message that the cost of living was a dominant feature of the campaign.

He said: "A lot of folk want to use this by-election to force action from the Westminster government right now on the things that concern people as they shop, travel and try to heat their homes.

"That is a perfectly reasonable thing for the folk of Glasgow East to want to do."

Mr Salmond said he would not be surprised to see "some movement" from Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, to ease living costs in a what he called a "desperate" attempt by Labour to save the seat.

A similar theme was picked up by the Conservatives, whose candidate, Davena Rankin, visited an Asda supermarket in the constituency.

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader, said the new poll showed her party was closing in, too, on Labour. "Scottish politics is now a three-horse race, and whilst we are still currently the third horse, we are closing the gap on Labour," she said.

SNP has a way to go to win separatist argument

THE latest YouGov poll is a bitter-sweet reminder for Alex Salmond of how success is strengthening his party's position in Scotland but not bringing it closer to its raison d'être – independence.

The importance of this poll is that it is one of the first proper ones in Scotland, as opposed to a sample of UK polls, to have put the SNP well ahead of Labour in voting intentions for a Westminster election, as opposed to a Holyrood one.

The Nationalists' 33 per cent puts them four points ahead of Labour on 29, but almost as shocking is the Tories' 20 per cent. However, support for independence, or rather, as the question framed it, for the Scottish Government to start negotiations for independence, was only 36 per cent compared with 48 per cent against.

This raises doubts over Mr Salmond's strategy of hoping four years of popular Holyrood government by the SNP will strengthen support for separation and gives credibility to Wendy Alexander's strategy, which Labour appears to be dropping, of calling for a quick referendum.

As a possible 2010 referendum grows closer, some of Mr Salmond's back-benchers, especially fundamentalists, may get nervous and call for a more overt push towards independence.

At the moment, the SNP is relying on highlighting grievances with Westminster on issues such as lottery money going to the London Olympics or holding back council tax benefit if Scotland's introduces a local income tax.

Leading polling analyst Professor John Curtice, of Strathclyde University, said: "I've never been convinced that the tactic of doing well in government was necessarily going to improve support for independence.

"This poll is very interesting because it does show that the SNP have a difficult task.

"But you have to remember that, with 33 per cent support for them, 36 per cent support for independence makes sense.

"The pro-Union support will be more divided because there are three parties."

But he said it was significant that the SNP had climbed above Labour in the polls.

"To my mind this is the first serious poll that shows the SNP above Labour on voting intentions for Westminster.

"It will be good for them in the background as they fight this by-election, but they will need to have an even bigger swing than this to win in Glasgow East.

"I'm surprised with the Conservative support, but maybe it shows they are finally making a comeback north of the Border. We shall have to wait and see – one swallow does not make a summer, after all."

Critics claim Labour big guns are running scared of by-election

LABOUR'S leaders have been accused of running scared from the Glasgow East by-election.

While other parties have wheeled out their "big guns", there are no plans for Labour to bring any members of the Cabinet to help the campaign.

Douglas Alexander, the International Development Secretary and the MP for the nearby Paisley constituency, has made only an unofficial appearance and Des Browne, the Scottish Secretary, will come for one day to help the campaign, but will not take part in photo opportunities.

There are no plans to bring Prime Minister Gordon Brown or the Chancellor, Alistair Darling, to the area for the campaign. In contrast, both the First Minister, Alex Salmond, and his deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, have appeared to boost the SNP campaign; most of the Conservative shadow cabinet, led by David Cameron, will visit; and the Liberal Democrat leader, Nick Clegg, was in the area this week.

Opponents claim Westminster figures are "running scared" because they are wary of being branded "London Labour" and fear that their current unpopularity may only serve to lose the Scottish party votes. It has also been said that the lack of Westminster figures gives Ms Curran the chance to disagree openly with them on issues such as car and fuel tax.

Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie said: "Gordon Brown and his Cabinet are afraid of being seen (in the constituency] because they know how unpopular they are.

"They should be ashamed for not being willing to stand up and protect the Union."

An SNP spokeswoman said: "There are so many Scottish Cabinet ministers, it's not exactly far for them to come."

But Labour insist they are focusing on local issues and their candidate. A spokesman said: "Unlike the others, we have a strong enough candidate to stand on her own without the need to be chaperoned."

Christian used to rough side of local politics

WITH Gordon Brown's future in the balance, it took only a few days for the gloves to come off in an effort to discredit John Mason, the SNP's Glasgow East by-election candidate.

He was branded "paranoid and xenophobic" by Labour MSP George Foulkes after calling God Save the Queen an anti-Scottish song and demanding English flags were taken down at a school during the last World Cup.

A former party rival, Dorothy Grace Elder, wrote about how he supposedly hated women, mainly her.

But Mr Mason said he is relaxed about the attacks. "You get a thick skin in politics. If Labour feel the need to do that then they must be worried."

He has learned to deal with the slings and arrows of opponents from ten years as a Glasgow city councillor

after beating Labour in an "unwinnable" East End by-election in 1998.

The 57-year-old accountant is a committed Christian, whose Baptist faith drives his politics.

"I am as driven by the need for closing the gap between rich and poor," he said. "That comes from my faith."

He discovered his support for independence while working in Nepal for an NGO in the 1980s.

"Nepal is a small country between two huge ones – India and China – but fiercely proud of its independence," he said.

"I meant it to be just like joining the National Trust, pay your money and get the newsletter, but I attended some meetings and got more involved and now look where I am."


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1

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 00:14:40
It appears that the SNP have grown more likely to win the Labour Seat.
2

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:19:15
Alex Salmond is being silly again, isn't he? Silly man.
3

Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 00:23:13
Alex believes the snp will win and I'll take him at his word.......But if they don't then his word will have been proved to be worth no more than a warm bucket of spit...........He has got till july 24th

Thats fair i should of thought?
4

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:23:54
What is the relevance of the earthquake analogy. Comes along, makes a lot of noise, wrecks the joint and then f**ks off once the damage is done?

Sound just like the SNP to me.
5

Senga Jean,

12/07/2008 00:25:57
The Scottish people are on the march. The 66% who wish independence in Europe is a good start. The SNP care for Scotland.
6

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:30:07
I expect the SNP to take a few thousand votes off any Labour seat at this point in time. With the voting day in the middle of the Glasgow fair, this might just backfire on the Labour party.
7

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:30:42
"Independence in a union" this is the type of tripe the SNP are famous for.

They make a lot of unconstructive noise and then leave communities picking up the pieces, just like the earthquake.
8

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 00:38:23
#5

That 66% claim is another SNP lie. It was 40%.
9

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 00:40:19
#10

Um...your wrong.

It is 66%.
10

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 00:44:12
ThomasP, it was 40%. Go to www.yougov.com and see for yourself.
11

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 00:50:54
The SNP said it was 66% of Scots. But it was 66% of SNP voters. They lied.
12

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 00:55:52
#14

The SNP did not get their information from www.yougov.com

The SNP got their information from the Daily Telegraph that claimed the 66% from a YouGov poll.

You would have to search for the Daily Telegraph to see what % they had used.

From the SNP Website:

"The Scottish National Party hailed the findings of a YouGov poll in the DAILY TELEGRAPH today."
13

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:58:42
A political earthquake was caused by the the DT's of labour activists' knees trembling.
14

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:00:18
ThomasP, what a lame excuse. They lied. The Telegraph article didn't even mention the EU. Google "Only third of Scots favour independence".
15

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:02:36
Oh and finally the SNP's lies are here. www.snp.org/node/14048
16

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:03:47
The only surprise in this poll is that the SNP are not further ahead. Scotland has enjoyed a lot of good progress since they were elected.

I am also not surprised by the increase in the Tory vote. For the first time in generations they have put Scotland first and benefited from it.

It is a sad indictment on both Labour and the fib Dems that they have been identified by Scots as the parties holding Scotland back.

Keep it up it is the first time in my life I am proud of the government of Scotland!
17

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:03:48
The only surprise in this poll is that the SNP are not further ahead. Scotland has enjoyed a lot of good progress since they were elected.

I am also not surprised by the increase in the Tory vote. For the first time in generations they have put Scotland first and benefited from it.

It is a sad indictment on both Labour and the fib Dems that they have been identified by Scots as the parties holding Scotland back.

Keep it up it is the first time in my life I am proud of the government of Scotland!
18

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 01:04:16
re 17. Geologicaly the ground in most of Glasgow east is sand from the Clyde. Yes folks, the water moved.

Not the earth.

So, far from an earthquake, I predict shifting sands.
19

monkey man,

12/07/2008 01:04:33
" Independence within the EU. " lol

No wonder the dimwits support the SNP. The collective IQ of a walnut.
20

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:05:29
Different questions. The 40% question was between Independence and the Status Quo. The 66% question was about independence within the EU.

Interesting that London Labour is avoiding the seat! The story is they don't want to be seen as 'London Labour' but it is more likely that they want not to be associated with a failure. They are bricking it!
21

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12/07/2008 01:07:26
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Reason:
22

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:07:55
There was no 66% question. Check the results on the YouGov website.
23

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 01:08:08
19

Thanks for the link, I visited the SNP on line shop while I was there. Why do the SNP get the saltire flags they sell manufactured in Vietnam?

I would have thought a patroit waving something with "made in vietnam" sewn onto was somewhat of a numbskull?
24

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 01:09:53
26 SNPblahblah.

Why should we search the YouGov Webdite for the 66% result when the SNP got their findings from the Daily Telegraph?
25

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:10:26
ThomasP, it's on the YouGov website. Here, can I post this?
www.yougov.com/uk/archives/pdf/tables%202008%2007%2010%20scotfull.pdf
26

Castaway,

12/07/2008 01:10:41
The voters in Glasgow East should be asking themselves if we are that important to Gordon Brown and the Labour Party. "Where is Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling, Douglas Alexander,Des Browne and the other members of the Cabinet ?"
I stand corrected - Des Browne, the Scottish Secretary, will come for one day to help the campaign, but will not take part in photo opportunities. ( Des not even with Margaret Curran ?).
Douglas Alexander, the International Development Secretary and the MP for the nearby Paisley constituency, has made only an unofficial appearance. (Douglas why an unofficial appearance ?)
That will leave the other 21 members of the cabinet plus 4 other ministers who also attend cabinet meetings to put in an appearance and David Cairns, Minister of State - Scottish Office.

Now compare Glasgow East to the Crewe and Nantwich by-election
Gordon Brown has ordered his entire Government to Crewe and Nantwich this weekend in a last-minute campaigning "surge" aimed at averting a disastrous by-election defeat next week.
About 80 ministers, whips and parliamentary aides have been told to visit the Cheshire seat amid growing signs that the Conservatives will overturn Labour's 7,000-vote majority there on Thursday.
"It's all hands to the pump – they've all been told they have to be there unless they have a good excuse," said a senior source. "We need everyone we can get."17/05/2008
27

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:11:17
ThomasP, it wasn't on the Daily Telegraph. This is like pulling teeth.
28

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 01:11:34
29 SNPblahblah.

The SNP got their findings from the DAILY TELEGRAPH, not the YouGov website.
29

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 01:12:13
Banana, anyone? Ooh, ooh, ooh.
30

SNPblahblah,

12/07/2008 01:12:39
Get help ThomasP. I don't have the training. Sleep time.
31

ThomasP,

12/07/2008 01:15:33
34 SNPblahblah.

Quite the little rants.

Read the SNP website also. You will then learn where exactly the SNP claim they are getting their facts.
32

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:18:31
Urgent advice

Get to the bookies now before the odds change.

Labour are finito!
33

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:22:14
BIG EYE,
Info?
34

monkey man,

12/07/2008 01:27:09
Appealing to the knuckle draggers of Scottish society by blaming Westminster for all Scotland's ills for the last few years has only got the SNP one seat ahead of its main rival in the wee pretend parliament, and even that was in an electoral process Robert Mugabe would have laughed at. The separatists can't do any better and are now in decline.
35

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:31:07
Small sample. Not affluent. Overwhemingly Labour vote last time. Overwhelmingly SNP on the 24th!
36

A Better Way,

Republic of Scotland 12/07/2008 01:31:39
SNPblah whatever,

Thats really good of you to have come across to the Wendy point of view even though its a bit late to support a crooked London Controlled New Labour Numptie.

Like Wendy you will not fear the referendum in 2010. Your comments here suggest you have nothing to fear.

We Scottish Patriots know that the demise of Wee Jockeee, then Wendeee is just a stepping stone to the destruction of the Scottish Traitors such as Gordon Brown, Silver spooned Darling, Des the slime Browne, Douglas the sleekit Alexander. The SNP Party under the Politician of the year Alexander Salmond, will have achieved the destruction of a British Political Party, which will send a clear message to the quivering remainder of the Corrupt Westminster System, that Scotland will not rest until the abomination that is called Britain is dismantled for all time.

The Scottish People will free the English Nation, and allow them to be run by English People for English People. The same liberation will be available to our Welsh Cousins and of course Ireland must be reunified to its rightfull place as a United Ireland before Cromwell butchered so many of the peacefull Irish People.

Hilarious watching big mouthed Curran stammering her guts out on Newsnight last night, before going on to give her support to alienate Scottish Muslims by supporting the monstrous 42 days of torture before being charged. I just wonder which part of Scotland she wants renamed "Guantanamo". Margaret Curran displaying her attitude to the freedom of the individual. SHAME ON LONDON CONTROLLED NEW LABOURS STOOGE CANDIDATE FROM THE WEALTHY SOUTHERN SUBURBS IN GLASGOW.
37

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:33:28
Cheers BIG EYE,
I seriously hope so. This would be the best thing Glasgow East could do for themselves.

Do you know if labour 'last time' meaning Holyrood or Westminster?
38

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 01:33:42
Yep. As I thought. Banana, anyone. Ooh, ooh, ooh always bring them out so you can rub their tummies.
39

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 01:39:59
Westminster!

Alex Salmond is a clever politician, I know him well he would not be talking about earthquakes if the ground was not already shuddering and he had not yet used some serious ammunition in his locker!
40

Castaway,

12/07/2008 01:40:35
For a list of the latest betting odds on the Glasgow East by-election visit oddschecker.com - tinyurl.com/5ppfxs

41

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:40:42
"SNP activists, scenting blood, are flooding into the constituency. This weekend, 500 extra helpers are expected from across Scotland. Their candidate, John Mason, a local councillor, said he had never known such a buzz around a contest."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/12/glasgoweast.labour
42

Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 12/07/2008 01:42:31
Having read all the posts on this thread I have come to the conclusion that half the contributors are severely mentally retarded and ought not to be let out on the streets when decent people are about.

The other half are the SNP supporters.
43

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 12/07/2008 01:43:25
Castaway:
I got SNP 15/10 from Ladbrokes - that's now 11/10 :O)

Any more anecdotal evidence for us ex-pats would be much appreciated!
44

Traquir , Alba,

12/07/2008 01:57:23
What really terrifies the Unionistas is that these figures are much closer to a majority supporting independence than they would appear from the
newspaper coverage.

It is more than reasonable to assume that the "14% unsure" split along the same 48/36% lines,
unless of course Westminster were to try and
force in another infamous
40% rule to manipulate democracy whereby the 14% is
mostly counted in being for the Union.
Restating the poll with those who expressed
an opinion comes to 42.86% supporting independence,
which would require a swing of about 8% whilst
in Glasgow East we are trying to topple
Labour with a 22% swing.
This is significant progress and makes the goal
of full self-determination for Scotland that much
closer.

Equally critically as pointed out by several other
posters this poll could equally have been
headlined as "Minority Now Support Maintaining
the Union".
Which raises an interesting question in
regard to the Calman "Commission", surely
it must now simply be scrapped given it's
founding principle is based on

"overwhelming public support for the Union
in Scotland."
"Members will represent the range of pro-Union opinion in Scotland and wider Scottish society"

Also interestingly from a recent Freedom
Of Information Release it would appear that
Brown got his way and it is not a Commission
but a review.

"What is the official title of the Review? Why is it a Review and not a Commission?
• It is a review of the Scotland Act.
• What matters is what it will do, not what it is called."

The Union is dying and Scotland will rise as
a free nation again.

Saor Alba
45

Col. Blimp­IV*,

12/07/2008 02:10:30
Jesus!

I go on holiday for a couple of weeks, switch on computer to see how many votes Miss UK got in the bi-election...and find out there has been an earthquake!

No chance of them dismissing this one with a glib...No Britons are thought to be involved
46

MacRae_Warrior,

12/07/2008 02:27:01
I just don't understand why there are those who believe that servitude under the European Union will be any better than servitude under the 'United' Kingdom. Why trade one tyrant in London for another in Brussels? You know what they will do, just what the Brits have been doing for the last 300 odd years, taking our money, our resources, to serve themselves. It will be no different under the EU if we decide to join it (God forbid). That's why I don't support the SNP any more than any other political party in Scotland; Salmond just kisses up to the EU too much for my liking.
47

Freeman Stand,

12/07/2008 02:27:42
Monkey Man (38) The only knuckle dragger round here is you.
48

Iainbroch,

Moray 12/07/2008 02:28:26
re 38

One banana, two banana, three banana more, four banana, five banana, six banana more, tra lah lah lah!

I take it that you dont eat those EU regulation bananas?Or is that an acceptable Union as well.

Or maybe you would like to part from the EU! As you are getting all these offers of bananas may I suggest one form of separtaion you might enjoy - part your A!!! cheeks and stick them them you know where!
49

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta. CA ..Obama smoke n mirrors..McCain is Bu 12/07/2008 02:35:58
47 Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Hey Dude,

BIG BROWN who had never been beaten in all his 5 previous races .
He was 1/5 to win the Belmont Stakes . (That's the 3rd. leg of the Triple Crown here in the US.

He had won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness Stakes . each by at least 4 lengths. Beating out the very best horses in their class.

Well Dude he came in dead last in the Belmont Stakes and his price was 1/5.

Moral here for all U fanatical SNP dudes "Get real" .

As the Global economies deteriorate and the US staggers , the Scottish people will have no time for a new struggle to stay solvent and feed their families ,by going independent from England.

Happy Haggis day dude.

GC
50

FrancesP,

12/07/2008 02:43:36
53. A horse called 'Brown' finishes 'dead last' in a race, and you think that's a good way to mock the SNP's chances?

Happy Irony Day, dude.
51

Traquir , Alba,

12/07/2008 02:49:27
53 GalacticCannibal, Murrieta.

I would suggest you concentrate on issues closer
to your home rather than your continual negative
drivel about Scotland.

"Murrieta leads county in homes lost to mortgage crisis"

"the 92563 ZIP code in Murrieta, illustrate the pandemic nature of the county's, and the nation's, housing crisis"

see - tinyurl.com/63ce96

If you need any food packages just let us know
we Scots are a very generous people, and will
be even more generous when we have the ability
to choose to use our own resources to positive
effect rather than having them squandered on
things like illegal wars.

Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic
52

Col. Blimp­IV*,

12/07/2008 02:58:01
s this the fastest resignation to polling day on record?

The swines must have some kind of cunning plan!

Could it be that they have picked a Glasgow Fair Polling Day to ensure a low turnout, hopping that all the dead people that they intend voting for and the undead and doolally folk that they have been signing up for postal votes these last few weeks...will effectively "count double"?

The electoral commission doesn't check up on that sort of thing and I doubt if the UN observers will either.

So I sinistearly hope that the SNP gets an up to date copy of the book of the dead, adds the late entries and compares it to the marked up register.

Psst...don't tell Labours election agent.
53

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/07/2008 02:58:42
Many years ago there was a by election in Glasgow Central. Alone among the candidates the Tory candidate put money on a horse that was running in a race with the name called Glasgow Central. It was an outsider and romped home at long odds.

The Tory candidate still had a dreadful result but could console herself with a few drinks from her winnings.

Labour will not be so lucky in Glasgow East
54

yankey,

East Glasgow 12/07/2008 03:01:41

See you this weekend

Remember the correct way to greet a SLAB Politician is
OINK OINK ONIK
We could and will drive them off the streets
The Party can not find people to knock doors because of the abuse they get

55

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

morningside 12/07/2008 03:06:28
It would be fantastic if the SNP beat Liebour in Glasgow East but unfortunately the voters there have voted Liebour for generations despite Liebour leaving them in poverty and introducing University loans, abolishing the 10p tax rate, doubling car tax, scrapping border controls, privatising the NHS, introducing ID cards, introducing PFI, voting to keep the John Lewis list, locking folk up for 42 days without charge
So sad to see voters say they've always voted Liebour so they won't change now.
SNP oppose the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the horrors of Trident yet the poor folk of Glasgow east keep voting for Liebour. Weird !
56

Matt there,

somewhere 12/07/2008 03:32:10
As someone who lives outside Scotland (ancestors from Scotland, however) I feel I must ask this question: "Do not the Labour Party members who post on this forum not realise how silly they make themselves and their party sound?

They make what they think are witty jibes against the SNP and Alex Salmond in particular. But when they think they are witty they are only half-right.
57

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

lochfinnan 12/07/2008 04:04:29
I must agree with you Matt.
I've loved Scotland since I was a young child.I've visited the monument at Lochfinnan, Bruce's monument at Bannockburn and the fields of Culloden and it filled me with pride at being Scottish. I don't know where Wendy Alexander or Gordon Brown or Douglas Alexander or Margaret Curran spent their childhood but it couldn't have been at places celebrating Scotland. They would have been overwhelmed at the sacrifices our forefathers gave to give us our own country.We've got a fantastic country yet we're constantly dragged back by money grabbing unionists who can't see what a great country they're putting down and treating horrendously.
58

W Smith,

Middle East 12/07/2008 04:06:43
So John Mason is a "committed" christian - who has problems with English flags but no problem with jihadist Osama Saeed.

Sounds like a "dodgy" christain to me.

"If we look at the history of our faith, WHAT ELSE IS THERE other thant the Prophet's example to stand up to tyranny and to stand up to oppression."

Osama Saeed at Dundee University, JUST MONTHS BEFORE THE ATTACK ON GLASGOW AIRPORT, urging muslims not to cooperate with police.

John Mason's silence on this is a deafening as Alex Salmonds.
59

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

scotland 12/07/2008 04:22:24
W Smith - If you really are working in the Middle East then why are you happy to be paid by muslims for your work ? Maybe your company is European but they will be paid by muslims. Aren't you a good enough engineer/ accountant or whatever to compete in a more competitive market in the free world ? Most folk I encountered in the Middle East were like yourself. Hated muslims but were happy to take the cash. Hypocrites I think.
60

Castaway,

Manila 12/07/2008 04:29:56
#60:Matt there,: I agree and I would say a lot of the comments posted are just to antagonise or to bait the SNP supporters.
#61:VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,: I agree with your well written post.
61

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

scotland 12/07/2008 05:09:13
Castaway - thanks for your post. I should have said the Glenfinnan monument rather than Lochfinnan. But it was in 1745 so it's a while ago ! I couldn't imagine many folk apart from SNP patriots risking their lives these days to fight for Scotland. Liebour work constantly against Scotland but their treason won't go unnoticed.
62

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta.CA Obama smoke n mirrors..McCain is Bush 12/07/2008 05:25:02
55 Traquir , Alba,12

Hey Dude Murrieta as a town where 4,000 square foot homes are common, did not exist 15 years ago.

Our credit crisis will pass, Urs will not, u will be for ever bitching and complaining.

But if Fannie Mae and Mac do not get bailed out by the Feds . Then u guys and the rest of the industrial world will learn what a real recession is.

Right now here in the US Fannie Mae and Mac need $3.8 trillion to remain solvent,

That's trillion dude not billion. Like £1.9 trillion.

The entire GDP of the UK which includes the Provence of Scotland is only $ 2.2 trillion or £1.1 trillion.

The Feds will not allow Fannie Mae and Mac to fail . If they did then U and the rest of the industrial world would rely on begging bowls. dude.

hey dude chill out . Facts are facts and U cannot change that.

As for drivel . These threads in the Scotsman do not have drivel, just fanatical obsessed micro political wannabes, living off a dead and gone history.

SMILE U are on Candid Camera

GC
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VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

scotland 12/07/2008 05:50:14
#66galactic cannibal. My home has gone down in value by about $40k this year due to greed and incompetence by US and UK bankers. Your assistance is to attack Independence in Scotland and claim it's too introspective in light of the bigger picture.
Imagine if Scotland had been independent like the USA. Heck man there would be no problem at all. We'd be getting $150 a barrel for Brent crude now. Straight into our coffers. Bahrain does well, Quatar does well, Kuwait does well, Venezuela does well, KSA does well, Nigeria does well, Algeria does well. All backward countries compared to Scotland but now laughing at the West and buying up our banks and companies in a fire sale. Wake up man and smell the coffee. we're f***** !
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA. Obama smoke N mirrors .McCain is Bush 12/07/2008 05:50:19
55 Traquir , Alba,12

There is no money crisis in my family dude. Thanks to my Parents and their hard earned wealth from their 15 years working at Microsoft.

Chillout dude.
And I hope U don't behave like McCain

71-year-old McCain went for his annual physical. All of his tests came back with normal results.

Dr. Smith said, "John, everything looks great physically.

How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with yourself, and do you have a good relationship with your God?"

John replied, "God and me are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it so that when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, poof! the light goes on when I pee, and then poof! the light goes off when I'm done."

"Wow," commented Dr. Smith, "That's incredible!"

A little later in the day Dr. Smith called McCain's wife.

"Cindy," he said, "John is just fine. Physically he's great.

But I had to call because I'm in awe of his relationship with God.
Is it true that he gets up during the night and poof! the light goes on in the bathroom and then poof! the light goes off?"

Cindy exclaimed, "That damn old fool! He's peeing in the refrigerator again!"

GC





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Earman,

Dumfries 12/07/2008 06:18:55
This poll has apparently given the Unionist Panic Button yet another press, heralding the appearance of the Massed Bands of "we cannae dae it oorsel's", supported by a full Drum Corps of "the Nats cannae...the Nats willnae...the Nats didnae...". When, for the love of God, will these Unionists come up with some POSITIVE - or even ALTERNATIVE - ideas/debating points/vision? Their ridiculously childish continual negativity does nothing for their cause. Why don't they know that? Has history taught them nothing? Please, if the Union is worth saving, debate the point, persuade people, reason with them, enlighten them. It's of no earthly use whatsoever to employ a strategy of "Let's just keep saying that the Nats are useless". If you believe in what you're saying, BE POSITIVE!
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 07:03:37
Having read the Unionist postings this morning it's easy to see how the SNP are well ahead in the polls.
If this is the best New Labour Sleaze can do then Independence is just a matter of time.

Most of them make AM2 look interesting

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland
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donald anderson it's me,

12/07/2008 07:32:07
Would anyone notice if an earthquake hit the East End of Glasgow? Maggie's bunker is leafy Giffnock.
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mr angry,

ayrshire 12/07/2008 07:37:04
Note that the semi literate labour supporters have all disappeared , only ones left now are the idiots and bigots. Not long to go now for Labour.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 07:47:19
Perhaps the unionists are looking forward to Margaret Curran leading Scotland as first minister; now there is a though to put you off your breakfast!
As for Torquil stating her as a 'bonnie fighter'..i had a dog like that once but it bit the postie and had to be put down. Personally i think she is more of a 'vile hoond'!
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Daveunderwater,

12/07/2008 07:49:57
# 66 GC

One problem the sleeping dragon is now very much awake, China is in the process of overtaking the USA so maybe you should start posting in the Peking Press, $25,000 per person is a tall order.

But then you could sell some of the gold in Fort Knox to the Chinese. Gordon Brown is an experienced gold seller so the USA could employ him as a Gilt Consultant.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 07:54:39
Maybe if the yanks stopped eating so much they could afford their mortgage repayments? Wonder if the takings in McDonalds will suffer as a consequence?
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 12/07/2008 08:02:22
I really wonder whether some of the unionist monkeys "posting" are in fact one & the same perosn, talking to themselves under different monikers.

Come to think of it, haven't seen Maggie Broon of late...
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scottish person,

paisley 12/07/2008 08:02:44
I hope the SNP rid this country of people like brown,browne,alexander and cairns.
Scotsman stop sending me info on luke donald, he is english. I only want to hear about golfers like Alistair Forsyth which the ebc dont seem to even know exists.
I cant believe we still have people in this country supporting liebour.
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jacquesmac,

Frogland 12/07/2008 08:22:40
#79

Divide and Rule

You are not an idiot, just a nasty bit of scum

Have you just finished your nightshift on The Herald?

Good Night
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:35:26
I notice Hornless Alexander only made an "unofficial" visit to Glasgow East, Das Broone visited, but wouldn't be photographed, and Curran tried to tempt Darling to visit with the promise there would be no cameras!

What's that all about? Politicians avoiding photo opportunities?
Doesn't smack of confidence really, does it?
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Tommy Trout,

Alicnte, Spain 12/07/2008 08:42:31
Mason is correct, "God Save the Queen/King" is an anti Scottish song. Laird Foulkes only has to read all the original verses written as a hymn at the time of the 45 rebellion by an English Bisop. Sixth verse reads:

Lord grant that Marshall Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedation hush
And like a torrent rush, Rebellious SCOTS to Crush.
God save the King!

Looks like some things have never changed, only difference now is it's some Scots singing the song.
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LEAL,

12/07/2008 08:48:14
Labour are certainly terrified of their prospects come July 24th.Thir supporters are to ashamed of Labours record to even go out leafleting.The SNP need a 22% swing to win the seat.This would indeed be meltdown for Labour.If the Labour party want to make a comeback in Scotland they have to stop being contolled from London,then come up with some positive and relevant arguments for Scotland staying under London rule.I cant think of any.Telling Scots they are so stupid/lazy that they need London to govern them just isnt going to work anymore.
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:52:53
#87 Tommy Trout

Notice the date today? I think there'll be a lot of Scots singing that song later today. Once they get back to their lodges after taking their unionist 'constitutional' about town.
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:55:46
#89 Number 6

Trip trap trip trap!

Meltdown minus 12 days........and counting!
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 09:02:15
People should not lose sight of the fact that the retiring MP for Glasgow East cared so much for his electorate that the constituency looks like it belongs in a war zone.
He was such a good 'socialist' that he ignored the population and concentrated all his efforts on building a £500K nest egg.
An electorate that has been treated with contempt by New Labour Sleaze and Corruption.
10p tax rate gone.
Fuel bills through the roof to pay for illegal wars.

Vote SNP - The ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland
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Richard,

west lothian 12/07/2008 09:03:24

Number: 6,

What a complete tit you are?

"God Save The Queen is our national anthem whether you like it or not.

Vastly superior to that dirge, Flower of Scotland.

Speaking of which, what is it about? Defeating an English army?

We just cant get away from this giant Anti English chip on our shoulder. Can we"?

It's about defeating an INVADING English army and a certain English Kings designs on Scotland and is a call for modern day Scots to stand up and throw off Westminster rule, it's all there in the lyric.

Nothing anti English about it!
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 09:06:54
#93 Absolutely we have to. So what's all this about Mason being a season ticket holder at Ibrox?
Any truth in this? I don't know. Surely the SNP wouldn't be so stupid.
Or is this simply mudslinging disinformation from an embattled unionist HQ.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 09:09:36
Why is it surprising that the indigenous Tories only came 3rd in this poll of voting intentions with 20 percent?

In poll after poll, it has been consistently shown that the mass of Scots do not trust this politicial party, and are still highly suspicious of its aims and objectives after it completely botched it's time in power at the old Scottish Office.

Since 1997, the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party has been a MINORITY politicial party in Scotland. In 10 years it has only been able to muster ONE M.P. in Westminster General Elections!

Had it not been for the P.R. voting system at the Scottish Parliament, the creation of which the Tory Party implaccably opposed, it would not have had any representation.

This ageing blue rinse party can only hang around and wait for the English Tories to return to power.
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Jimmy the Pie,

12/07/2008 09:15:43
Mason is a Clyde supporter but for the New Labour Sleaze halfwits, why let the truth stand in the way of an outright lie. Here are some more 'lies'

1. We have to invade Iraq, Saddam has WMD
2. WMD can be deployed in hours.
3. We will hold a referendum on the EU constitution.
4. We don’t accept cash for honours.
5. Wendy - I have done nothing wrong
6. Wendy - I have nothing wrong knowingly.
7. Wendy - I broke the law – unknowingly.
8. Wendy - Comrade Broon fully agrees with my referendum call
9. I have ended the boom/bust cycle.
10. There will only be 13,000 immigrants when the EU expands.
11. I have lived in Glasgow East all my life
12. More motorists will gain rather than lose by the car tax rises
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LEAL,

12/07/2008 09:22:05
Richard 95
Exactly.
And God Save The Queen is about crushing rebellious Scots.Not Jacobites,not Catholics...But Scots
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:23:04
6.

Really is pathetic reading your trivial posts. Asking if Mason will be on an orange walk really is the most pathetic post on this site.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:23:58
I mean 'dick' in Lothian of course..
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Why do Nats make stuff up?,

12/07/2008 09:24:13
87 Tommy Trout

That anti-Jacobite verse isn't part of the national anthem. It was abandoned 30 or 40 years before that song was even accepted as the national anthem.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/07/2008 09:25:28
I was right first time lol..early