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PM faces windfall tax defeat



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Published Date: 07 September 2008
GORDON Brown is facing a damaging defeat at the Labour Party conference later this month over his refusal to support moves for a windfall tax on energy firms.
Left-wingers and unions are to force the campaign for a windfall tax onto the conference agenda, with delegates expected to back calls for it to become party policy.

Brown last week insisted that he would not support "short-term gimmicks or giveaways" to meet widespread concern over escalating energy bills.

This week he will aim to head off attacks with a new scheme aimed at boosting the energy efficiency of homes.

However, his decision to reject a windfall tax has enraged union leaders, who meet this week in Brighton for the annual Trades Union Congress. After that, in a fortnight, Labour will gather for its annual conference, where the party's powerful Compass group is to haul the windfall tax debate back onto the floor.

A spokesman for Compass said: "Insulation measures are not going to help people this winter. There are six million people facing fuel poverty. What the Government is proposing is not a coherent policy. Labour constituency parties across Britain are all voting for a windfall tax. We aim to make sure that it is backed at the conference as well."

The pressure for a windfall tax is also coming from Scotland, where all three candidates for the post of leader at Holyrood are sticking with the campaign.

However, Brown is expected to hit back at his critics this week with a "long-term" series of measures. Grants to homeowners to encourage them to insulate their homes properly are expected to be rolled out beyond those on benefits, so that most homes can receive Government support.

The package may run into trouble, however, over the shortfall of insulation installers. The Government grant scheme is already warning that installers are "struggling to keep up with demand".

Last night, one of Brown's closest allies admitted Labour is "two-nil down" to the Conservatives in the race for the next General Election.

But Schools Secretary Ed Balls insisted there was "still a lot to play for" and – in a message directed squarely at former Cabinet minister Charles Clarke who criticised the party's performance last week – urged fellow Labour MPs to stick together and "stop jeering at the manager".

Meanwhile, Conservative Party leader David Cameron hinted at the possibility of tax cuts under a Conservative government, saying that it is right for those who "put their backs into the British economy" to be rewarded.

Cameron's comments come amid continuing pressure from within his party for more specific promises on tax than his oft-repeated mantra that he will "share the proceeds of growth" between public services and tax cuts.

Talks between the Government and the energy firms are continuing this weekend, with negotiations centring on the scale of the contribution the energy companies will make to the boost to energy efficiency.

Dr Garry Felgate, chief executive of the Energy Retail Association, said: "Energy companies understand that many people in the country are feeling the pain of the credit crunch, and this is why discussions between the Government and the companies are ongoing."

There is also growing support on Labour benches for the Government to take back control from the regulator Ofgem, so that it can once again set prices.

Campaigning in Glenrothes yesterday, First Minister Alex Salmond said: "In dismissing using the windfall gains of the energy supply companies to help people struggling with fuel bills, he has shown that he is out of touch with the needs of ordinary people in Fife.

"An SNP win in Glenrothes will send a message to Westminster that fuel poverty amid energy plenty in 21st-century Fife and Scotland is utterly unacceptable".


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  • Last Updated: 07 September 2008 1:42 AM
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1

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 07/09/2008 00:16:14
hahahaha

U-turn , re-launch , dither, U-turn, U-turn, relaunch

Gordon is following Wendys example splendidly.

Now will he resign please.
2

Jwil,

07/09/2008 00:33:40
Are the energy companies putting the boot into Brown to ensure he will not recover before the next election? It would suit them to have a Tory Government and to h*ll with the tribulations of the general poulation.
3

Col. Blimp­IV*,

07/09/2008 00:34:57
Windfall Tax, is that not where Broon came in?

Oh yes and lets raid those juicy fat pension funds while we are at it...nobody will notice that for a while.

Gold...practically worthless, I think I'll swap it for a bag of magic beans.

Iron Chancellor? Economic Genius? Prudence?

You can't fool etc etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Qe8d95vCc
4

luchanbeag,

Alba 07/09/2008 00:51:40
For"No short-term gimmicks or giveaways" read "let them eat cake..."
How much more detached from ordinary people can this stuck up bunch of Labour careerists get?
Remember the eighties during the cruel Thatcher regime where these same people like Brown and Darling and the rest of their chums attached themselves to progressive groups promising they were a credible progressive alternative?
Now they serve Big business,power companies,property owners,Right Wing agenda setters,home and away, and anyone one else reactionary or downright power hungry,last in line for their attention is the poor and disenfranchised.
Poor or non existent council housing stock,ill equipped schools and hospitals,foriegn wars more nuclear power,anti immigrant,anti civil rights..and don't blame the SNP government,they haven't had the time nor the resources to change what has gone on under succesive right wing Union Jack waving,British jobs for British workers(was that not an NF/BNP slogan at one time?),British regimes both Tory and latterly Labour.
Their end is hopefuly nigh.
I hope that when we see the back of the careering Brits,the Scottish people will not fail to remember nor never stop reminding Brown,Darling,Joyce, Boyack the Alexanders the suffering they have inf;licted upon our community.
Time to go,you have outstayed your welcome,take the spoils of your career in Britain and walk!!
5

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/09/2008 01:32:42
Gord. It's over. Go now before you make yourself look ridiculous.

It's getting embarrassing.
6

Brian Hill,

07/09/2008 01:39:29
Had this come in the middle of a warm summer and voters in the forthcoming by election were likely to strolling off to the polls in short sleeves and sunglasses then the effect of this madness on the by election might have been far less.

As it is we've had a miserable summer, it's already cold enough for the central heating to come on and it looks like voters in Glenrothes will be going to the polls well wrapped up.

So, minimal or maximum effect?

Keep up the good work Gordon, because even if you changed your mind tomorrow the damage to your party is already done,

no windfall = disaster,

windfall later =

SNP pressure will gain the credit = disaster.
7

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 07/09/2008 02:08:54
Ed "Balls-up"...........should read "still a lot to pray for".........freezing at home isn't a gimmick.
As with fuel price obscene increases Labour will be raking it in with the extra VAT revenue on both these commodities.
Brown and Labour are finished, when, as Chancelor, he raided millions of personal pensions by removing tax credits, he also raided my vote..........(his own Pension was reinforced though).....get them out.
8

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 07/09/2008 02:10:22
Ed "Balls-up"...........should read "still a lot to pray for".........freezing at home isn't a gimmick.
As with fuel price obscene increases Labour will be raking it in with the extra VAT revenue on both these commodities.
Brown and Labour are finished, when, as Chancelor, he raided millions of personal pensions by removing tax credits, he also raided my vote..........(his own Pension was reinforced though).....get them out.
9

Marac,

Grangemouth 07/09/2008 04:23:29
Eddie Barnes isn't seriously suggesting that Labour set their policies at their party conference is he?
10

LEAL,

07/09/2008 06:42:24
An energy rich country like Scotland should not have families living in fuel poverty.Independence is the only answer to this problem.
11

cabrach loon,

inverness 07/09/2008 07:45:25
sorry but the whole tax system needs to be scrapped reviewd simplified and rewritten from scratch so it is straightforward clear and simple to every man and does not need accountants and tax lawyers to comprehend / time to bite the bullet and make it all clear and cheap to admminister
12

madrab,

Edinburgh 07/09/2008 07:49:28
How many people will die this winter through lack of ability to heat their homes?

Will this fool be held accountable?

Will everyone who continues to vote for Labour be held accountable?
13

Jung,

07/09/2008 08:21:49
But as is usual with Liebour, Party managers will find some way of fudging this issue at the conference so that the numpties who attend will be bought off to save the face of the leadership.
14

thinking,

Scotland 07/09/2008 08:34:21
#4
That 'cruel Thatcher regime' that you so deride actually turned the economy round from a Labour induced, deeply in debt, three day working week, strike ridden, uncollected rubbish in the streets and unburied bodies etc.economy.
She used 'cruel' budgeting to get the country financially healthy and broke the strangle hold of the unions to improve production.
This was not popular at the time because it hurt just as any home tight budgeting would, but Labour inherited a thriving economy (as finally acknowledged by Brown after papers were released), few strikes and a good base to go forward (we were the 4th most productive nation - not now after labour).
Instead they have dragged us back to a worse position than before.
15

MacGillicuddy,

07/09/2008 08:37:31
From the article:
" Left-wingers and unions are to force the campaign for a windfall tax onto the conference agenda, with delegates expected to back calls for it to become party policy."

Aye right!
16

Stop buy Scotsman,

07/09/2008 08:44:49
PM faces windfall tax defeat.

Am I dreaming that Political Editor of the Scotsman wrote the TRUTH about their obsessed GB Prime Minister, namely Gordon Brown. Is the Scotsman's Political Editor unwell or he decides to write honest report.
Whatever please don't buy the Scotsman.
17

Tolle1,

07/09/2008 08:50:44
#12 is totally correct, it is due to the unaccountability of our politicians, corporations, councillors' etc that they continue to make decisions, which result in people dying.

Until there are laws which make the above (not all) self-interested people have to face the consequences of their disastrous actions, then those who do not contribute to economic growth such as those in poverty, the old, vulnerable, mentally ill etc, will continue to be accepted as collateral damage.

Due to the credit crunch (corporate and individual greed) people who used to make a contribution to economic growth, but are now unemployed or had their house repossessed, and who would not have fallen into the acceptable collateral damage group; will now do so with disastrous consequences.

18

11+failed,

the pans 07/09/2008 09:04:43
Reading some of the daft comments on here it seems that there is an element(small)of SNP support that thinks Scotland is heading for some socialist utopia. I wonder which model they envisage? That of Albania, Bulgaria, Hungary or East Germany perhaps?
Fortunately Salmond is secure in the big business and banking camp where he earned an excellent living before politics.
19

Col. Blimp­IV*,

07/09/2008 09:11:46
MacGillicuddy

They could always have an emergency "Scottish" Conference and pass barrell full of Jock-friendly resolutions to rapturous acclaim.

The Uncle Tom press will tell the natives that all that needs to happen to make it come to pass is a... Labour victory at Glenrothes.
20

bluehead,

edinburgh 07/09/2008 09:18:43
brown is now past, just being,thick and hopeless ,he is
showing how evil politicians can be,people need help now,by the time they get around insulation ,it will be to late anyway,
when Gordon brown picks up his massive wages ,massive expenses and massive pension, not forgetting all the perks,let him spare a thought for the ordinary men and
women that have kept this country on it
'feet,while only being paid a handful of sweets for wages,he should also stop all these political speeches
that Boers everyone ,each day he sounds more like a
ventriloquist's dummy,without the ventriloquist being there....in short the man is a washout.
21

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 07/09/2008 09:23:09
It is all too predictable in watching another disappointing Labour Prime Minister loose control of his Party, and eventually his job!
22

MacGillicuddy,

07/09/2008 09:27:29
#20 Too true Col! However there is nothing Liebour can do that will save it in Glenrothes. A lying scumbag of a Westmonster government combined with a mutinous ship-jumping no-hoper of a candidate will consign Liebour to its well deserved dustbin.
23

Angus Ogg,

07/09/2008 09:34:18
Hmmmm,

This Scotsman Board is HEAVILY CENSORED.

Posted the original comment at #1 above, and it has been COMPLETELY removed as if it were never there.

It wasn't offensive, contained no swear words, and I can help the Scotsman if they need some proof of veracity.

Anyone else experienced censorship here ?



As to the the content of the post?

Well a fairly high up source indicated that Gordon Brown is considering resignation, where before the received wisdom was he would never go voluntarily.

No point in repeating the precise detail of the earlier post as it will be deleted again by a heavy handed Orwellian Moderator.

Suffice it to say, that if Gordon Brown resigns on or before Friday 21st November 2008, then some idiot at the Scotsman would have lost themselves a sizeable journalistic scoop.

Where are McWoodward and McBernstein when you need them :@)
24

The Strategist,

07/09/2008 09:35:44
There is no need to do this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/sep/06/economy.energy



25

MacGillicuddy,

07/09/2008 09:38:37
#24 Cheers Angus

Care to expand on " Suffice it to say, that if Gordon Brown resigns on or before Friday 21st November 2008, then some idiot at the Scotsman would have lost themselves a sizeable journalistic scoop " ?

26

Col. Blimp­IV*,

07/09/2008 10:01:32
#27 Mr Ed

Is there a Room 101 at Hootsmon Towers?
27

fegan,

Northern Ireland 07/09/2008 10:16:45
Dose Brown think we are all stupid and he can pull the wool over our eyes with these Gimmicks. This is coming from a man that has never had a proper Job and has never had to support his wife and family on a tight Budget he has NO idea what the real world is like and he is making decisions based on theory NOT practice. He talked about he understands the pain of the people,how can he he has NEVER worked for an average salary and had to live on it.Lets see what he would say if we could persuade him and his outrage to do a reality show for 3 months over the winter living as the rest of do. I don't thing he could cut it.
28

Rickie,

Fife 07/09/2008 10:17:27
It gets more like 1930's Germany all the time.

Inflation spiralling, poor getting poorer (even if you are on a good salary, in what was in the 1990's) kids of 8 reporting their parents and others to the police for minor infractions (using video recording mobile phones now - isn't technology wonderfull)

Is it just me or can anyone else see the comparison of declaring war everywhere with no economy at home???

Blair was nothing more than a front man, Brown has had the access to the funds all along and has sailed it all down the river to wherever he wants to rest his head after the *insert appropriate term here*

I still see Blackadder goes forth, with Rowan Atkinson removed as the only clever one.

Hopefully there are still enough people left with a mind of their own to work it out.
29

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 07/09/2008 10:25:17
As Alex Salmond says - there is no alternative to an independent Scottish socialist republic - and the sooner the better.
30

Rickie,

Fife 07/09/2008 10:26:26
#24 Angus Ogg (sorry just caught it)

I do think they have something moderating as I've had posts just not appear, probably badly setup keyword banning, like saying certain words on your phone (wait for the click - although they've got that better now, it's quieter)

But usually the mod on Sunday is late getting into work for manual removals :P

Must take the poor person on min wage ages to understand most of the words...
31

John Methven,

Blackburn 07/09/2008 10:54:52
I agree with 10 but why can't a country in a geographical position like ours not be self sufficient regarding power. It sould be possible to provide free energy to industry, that would offset cheap labour in other countries.
32

Angus Ogg,

07/09/2008 10:56:40
#27 Eddie Barnes,

Unlike you, any medication I take is prescription only. What are you on ! Are you the shroom ridden Galactic Cannibal waffler with a new ID ?


#32 Rickie,

The post definately registered as I looked in again about an hour later to see if anyone had replied in a similar vein.

Then hey presto, the whole thing had been censored and remoced. Not even a "Comment deleted by moderator" red ink job.


# 26 MacGillicuddy,

The info., came from a friend. She still has some time for the Labour Party parites. Not much point in reposting as notwithstanding Galactic Waffler Eddie claptrap above, the same post will likely be deleted in the same way.

Time will tell on this one. My own view was like many others: Gordon would NOT go by his own will. From what I understand, there was a wobbly around the time of the Glasgow CBI thingy and two ministers, not the usual suspects, along with a couple of other folk got a wholly unexpected response from Big G., which was one of resignation with a small "r" as to his future. A precursor to resignation with an upper case "R". No big clunking fists, just heartfelt contemplation of when is a good time to go.

Not the end, but the beginning of the end perhaps.

The other thing was discussion of a "Stop Milliband" candidate after Gordon.
33

LEAL,

07/09/2008 10:59:08
33 john methven
The reason we cant do as you suggest is because we are ruled by a foreign country who do not have the best intrests of the Scottish people at heart.
34

Rodster,

Glasgow 07/09/2008 11:13:04
Iain Macwhirter summed it up perfectly in The sunday Herald

"AFTER MUCH deliberation, Gordon Brown's answer to the crisis facing thousands of households this winter is: loft insulation. So much for the grand talk of an "economic recovery package".

It is laughable that, "the I am listening PM" has given us his pearls of wisdom , this genius of a Chancellor had the answer all along LOFT INSULATION .
B&Q must have offered him a directorship when the Labour party finally gets rid of him .
If he was a dug he would be put down to put him out of his misery.
35

Dijit,

Glasgow 07/09/2008 11:16:20
No need to worry, remember an EU referendum was promised in the Labour party manifesto.
Blair & Brown simply said no need, end of story.

This crazy windfall tax proposal would do for UK investment & industry what Brown's windfall theft on our pension funds achieved. Destroyed value in them and in the stock market for years.
36

SEUMAS,

fearn 07/09/2008 11:21:49
What happens to the people who are on an income just above the level of government handouts, who, at their own expense have insulated their homes to a high standard? Will they still have to pay the massive increases in gas and electricity? perhaps Mr.Brown should be asked if he has thought this through or does he care? I think he will find out at the ballot box and the sooner the better.
37

Publius,

Girvan 07/09/2008 11:23:14
If the energy companies are profiteering, there is a easy solution. Compel them to reduce their charges by a fixed percentage for a given period.
Its our money - not the government's - and it should be give back to us through price cuts.
38

bill-alba,

fife 07/09/2008 11:43:36
A windfall tax will do absolutely nothing for the people who are finding it hard to pay their energy bills..force the companies to cut their charges a policy that will help all.
39

pehman,

sussex 07/09/2008 11:53:47

14 Thinking (?),

HA, the 3 day week was under ted heaths TORY gov of 73
40

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 07/09/2008 12:29:44
One thing the government could do is delay putting the clock back in October perhaps to the end of November at least and put the clock forward again at the beginning of March instead of the end of that month. This would keep electricity bills down a bit.
Whatever happens fuel price increases will mean the end of this Labour givernment and it can't come soon enough.
41

fritigern,

Inverness 07/09/2008 13:00:17
Very little of the money Mr Brown intends to allocate for home insulation will end up in Scotland. You cannot put cavity wall insulation in Timber framed houses!!!
But how do grants for insulation help those who have already insulated their houses? The answer is to have energy tariffs which allow each household a fuel allowance at a low price to be paid for by increases on the fuel-greedy.

BTW Is the heating in prisons to be reduced or should freezing pensioners get themselves a warm bunk in prison?
42

LEAL,

07/09/2008 13:06:14
Is there any information on canvassing returns in Glenrothes?
43

vitesse_skye,

portree 07/09/2008 13:28:42
may i suggest
1.putting a giant windmill on the roof of the labour party conference and supplying the energy requirements for western europe for the next decade with all the hot air that gets pumped out.
2. firing an oil fired power station with the fat cut from the rear ends of the lazy labour MPs and their even fatter trade union leaders who are getting rich on the positions they hold while ordinary members are bleeding to keep the heating on.
3. Offering the whole labour cabinet to the Russians to keep their people in the dark in return for some free oil and gas.
44

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/09/2008 14:01:00
Chucking £100 at people won't work. They'll just spend it on booze fags and bingo unless it's presented specifically as a fuel voucher. Although loft and cavity wall insulation would make a big difference in the medium to long term, so El Gordo gets half a point for that one. If anything would make a real difference to the blessed CO2 emissions that would be it. Not that CO2 emissions tend to bother pensioners freezing to death.

However he's missed the big picture which is the outright greed and rapacious price increases peremptorily imposed on all consumers, not just those allegedly in fuel poverty. What's needed is a hard tackle on the energy companies along the lines of limit your increases to the present rate of inflation or else you are to have this imposed on you. Oh - and where's the evidence that all this extra cash really is going into R&D to reduce our dependence on fossil fuel? Failing that - you're nationalised, how do you like them apples? If the French can do it so can we. If we retained any control over energy companies it would bring greater leverage, but like most other things we've sold that out as well.

Brown might as well award himself "D" for Dunce on this and most other aspects of industry and commerce that he's had anything to do with.
45

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 07/09/2008 14:15:35
Those "windfall" energy company "profits" did not come from the magic wand of the Oil Patch Fairy. They came from oil and gas wells in the Scottish Sector of the North Sea. They also came from Scots filling their vehicles with already criminally-overtaxed petrol.
Now the Westminster Labour Party wants to tax that too.
It's Scotland's oil, it's Scotland's gas, it's Scotland's petrol and diesel and it's Scotland's windfall profits.
So keep your cotton pickin' hands off it Broon.
If Alex what's to adjust the taxes on Scottish natural resources, good. If Gordo wants to, bad.
Anyway, with oil prices now heading for the broadloom, by the time they get done with arguing over it, there won't be any windfall profits left to tax.
46

Wisnaeme,

07/09/2008 14:45:05

Just one political article of any interest in the "Hootsmon on Sunday" then?

Well the word "Scotland" got mentioned once and tagged onto the @rse end, Mr Salmond and Glenrothes got a slight mention.

Couldn't the North British Person's rag scribblers even have the nounce to lift at least one other political story from a quality Sunday publication?
Or is even yon getting to be too great a task to perform?

...and not even a re-run of old mince t@rted up as news is evident in erm Scotlant's national newspaper.

Dire, bluidy dire.

...and all this stramash about will he or won't regarding whatever is pure speculation.

Windfall Tax? Nae chance, Gordy and pals have been telt by those that matter, folk with money that the answer is No, No, No.

...and the socialist comrade's high heid yins can make meaningful squawks till he11 freezes over and the answer will still be No, No, No.

Perhaps Gordy and Co will throw the comrades a bone by way of quasi appeasement? But sadly, the comrade's membership will shortly realise that 'gift' of a bone is for appearances sake only. With the marrow within already sucked out and consumed by the carpetbaggers and privateers with little substinance remaining.

Choobs within choobs really. Empty threats verses empty promises, all within a vacumn of empty nothingness.

...and the money folk live happily ever after.
.
47

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 07/09/2008 15:35:38
#27
Whatever the facts are about Angus Ogg's post or non-post, Eddie Barnes, both the wording and tone of your reply are unacceptable from the political editor of Scotland on Sunday. A factual correction would have been enough. It must be difficult to resist respnding in kind to the often vigorous and forceful language of contributors to this site, but resist you must - these people are your readers, after all.

"check your medication" and "your befuddled state" are offensive statements and unworthy of a professional journalist. Even if they didn't offend Angus Ogg, they offend me.
48

Angus Ogg,

07/09/2008 17:05:06
#50 Peter Curran,

You are an officer and a gentleman sir. Thankyou.

Is it just me or has the post from #27 just vapourised as well? Now transmogrified from Eddie Barne's post to Fagan's post. The numbering sequence in this column is all out of order. Just check everyones reply post number references with what now appears in the column numerical order? Maybe Scotsman readers should all be checking their medication ! Or perhaps one of the illustrious journo's is doing what old fashioned hacks have done since time immemorial. Have a good old imbibe on a Sunday afternoon. Then let loose in the compositing room.

I thought at first that the original post #27 was from a fake Eddie Barnes, but surely only the real Eddie Barnes would have access to the Scotsman editorial system to make various posts completely disappear ?

A mystery.

Forget McWoodward and McBernstein, call in Val McDermid and Ian Rankin.

As for the original post? Any takers on the inside track that Gordon will be gone on or before 21st November 2008 ?
49

Publius,

Girvan 07/09/2008 17:35:57
#43 jkr

You write "One thing the government could do is delay putting the clock back in October perhaps to the end of November at least and put the clock forward again at the beginning of March instead of the end of that month. This would keep electricity bills down a bit."

My English workmates often point out that leaving the clocks on British Summer Time all the year round would save several hundred English lives. They say getting children killed on the roads after school in the winter is part of the price that the English pay for the union!
50

Col. Blimp­IV*,

07/09/2008 17:39:11
#51
Angus Ogg

November 21, 2008 is the 36th annual World Hello Day.

Anyone can participate in World Hello Day simply by greeting ten people. This demonstrates the importance of personal communication for preserving peace.

Broon Tabard having to find ten people that are willing to shake his blood stained hand in the name of peace...on a single day?

Not bloody likely, looks like he will shuffle quietly out the back door rather than risk the public humiliation.
51

Col. Blimp­IV*,

07/09/2008 17:47:59
#52
Publius

Ah, Shakespeare's Henry V...I had often wondered what he was on about.
52

Buckfastleigh,

Lagging Behind on Wear 07/09/2008 19:31:09
"But Schools Secretary Ed Balls insisted there was "still a lot to play for" and – in a message directed squarely at former Cabinet minister Charles Clarke who criticised the party's performance last week – urged fellow Labour MPs to stick together and "stop jeering at the manager".

All this football analogy is beyond me; are we still in the Cricket season or has the government of England again changed the goalposts?

I suggest that, if Football it is to be, the England National Team footy manager needs to take over.

Perhaps he is more adept at communication with the public than Groanalot Bruno.

Now can I insulate my walls and loft and brain in readiness for the bill to come? If they do demand the 40% heist is GB going to pay? Balls a header!
53

Weegiewarbler,

Still Sailing 07/09/2008 21:29:51
Will this be "moderated out" ?

Interestingly we noted two days ago a change in GB's stance / labours stance - with what was noted may change the the attitude of business towards them - most notably the energy windfall tax.
When this was followed quickly by the Scottish CBI speach - indicating another reversal - newspaper tones began to change.

The apparent free(er) and more unbiased reporting could well indicate that the labour party funders are no longer inclined to be as generous - this in turn less cash flow into the media and less reason for the media to be concerned about slanting it's reporting and thereby protecting it's revenue streams.

If you're looking for the winds creating the waves on the sea of change, look no farther than the cash waving in the wind.

Big business can see the UK is going nowhere at this time - business leaders are also on record with entirely different remarks vis a vis Scotland.

It appears to be not just the common man who is waking up.......
54

Itchy,

07/09/2008 21:42:00
"Campaigning in Glenrothes yesterday, First Minister Alex Salmond said: "In dismissing using the windfall gains of the energy supply companies to help people struggling with fuel bills, he has shown that he is out of touch with the needs of ordinary people in Fife.

"An SNP win in Glenrothes will send a message to Westminster that fuel poverty amid energy plenty in 21st-century Fife and Scotland is utterly unacceptable"."

Mr Salmond, a windfall tax is not the answer. Not from Labour and not from the SNP.

All it will do is confirm that Britain, including Scotland, is opposed to profits and success.

What is required is less government and lower taxes, not soak the rich and socialism.
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

07/09/2008 22:37:57
#57
Itchy

The price of Oil trebled in the space of a few short weeks, I have never heard anyone try to explain why this happened.

It does seem to me that the people who extract the Oil from the sea are the same ones who refine and then sell it on to the consumers, which does tend to raise suspicions of foul play though no doubt there are other factors involved.

The relavent fact is that the already substantial profits of the oil producers multiplied ten fold, This money came directlly from the pockets of the people of this country, the same people who give the oil companies the right to drill for OUR oil in OUR waters.

That the Scots were foolish enough to permit self interested Westminster Numpties negotiate the contracts, is to our eternal shame but the Oil companies should listen to what Salmond is saying...Pretty soon there will be a new Sheriff in Town.
56

Richard Lionheart,

07/09/2008 23:35:18
High energy prices bring relief to Gordons empty Government coffers. Why would he want energy companies to cut their prices. The Government has claimed £1bn windfall in taxes from us!

Gordon the numpty has pulled the wool over our eyes for too long.

 

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