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Published Date: 27 May 2008
GORDON Brown, the Prime Minister, is facing the prospect of another damaging back-bench rebellion, as nearly 18 million motorists are set to be hit with an above-inflation rise in their car tax.
Labour MPs have urged Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, to rethink plans announced in the Budget for big increases in vehicle excise duty on cars with higher emissions.

Their concern comes as lorry drivers are set to pour into London in what organisers hope will be the capital's largest protest against soaring fuel costs.

They are angry that fuel – already at more than £1.10 a litre for unleaded and even dearer for diesel – is set to rise by 2p a litre this autumn, the Treasury hike having been delayed from April.

With the road tax rises, vehicles registered before 2001 are exempt. But MPs are concerned at the number of car owners who could be faced with increases – in some cases of up to £200.

More than 30 Labour backbenchers have signed a Commons motion urging ministers to rethink the proposals before the new rates come into force. MP Ronnie Campbell, who tabled the motion, warned the impact could be similar to scrapping the 10p tax rate, which led to Mr Darling's £2.7 billion climbdown in an emergency "mini budget" earlier this month.

"It is unfair on people who bought their cars a few years ago not knowing that the government were going to put this road tax on," he said. "When people get their road tax letter through the door next year and find they have got an extra £200 to pay – well, I don't have to say any more, do I? The motorist is taking the brunt again."

Mr Campbell, who is due to meet Mr Darling this week, also called on the Chancellor to drop the planned 2p rise in fuel duty. He said that with rising world oil prices pushing up costs at the pumps, another increase would be too much for many families. "I think people just at this moment can't afford it. They really are feeling the pinch."

One Labour MP warned that the party also risked alienating "Mondeo man" – the name given to middle-income voters Labour needs to woo if it wants to defeat the Tories.

Rob Marris, MP for Wolverhampton South West, said: "Millions of people will be affected. Medium-sized family cars could be hit very hard."

Joan Ruddock, the environment minister, said that while she sympathised with motorists, the government "could not lose sight of the environment agenda".

The demands represent another headache for Mr Brown at a time when he is already politically weakened by the debacle over the 10p tax rate and Labour's disastrous performance in council polls and the Crewe and Nantwich by-election.

Hauliers are warning of dire consequences if the planned 2p rise goes ahead. As their protest gets underway today, drivers plan to hand in a letter to Downing Street, calling on the government to make a special exception and grant fuel duty rebates to operators of "essential vehicles".

But that risks angering ordinary motorists also hit hard by high fuel costs.

Does Brown need to change image if he is to survive? Experts give their view

NICHOLAS JACKSON O'SHAUGHNESSY, professor of marketing and communication at Brunel University

Gordon Brown may see the idea of taking lessons in public speaking and performance skills as frippery, but it's the essence of political success. He needs to lighten up, focus on aspirational Britain, and develop a sense of irony and wit. The problem is, he's a proud man, and acting skills are not part of his political repertoire. He'd find it hard to accept advice from some dilettante thespian.

For a decade, Gordon Brown was part of a successful duumvirate. He and Tony Blair were the two faces of Labour. Blair was charming, persuasive, and resonated with modern England, whereas Brown's role was one of gravitas and prudence. It was a good duality of conception.

Now, without Blair, Brown has become more vulnerable. He has this notion of authenticity which just does not fit into modern politics. I told (William] Hague to get acting skills, and advised (John] Major to lose his glasses. Major wasn't happy with the advice, but politicians like him and Brown have to realise self-projection is vital to their success.

ALEX CHALLONER, managing director of Cavendish Place Communications

THERE are no short-term fixes for Gordon Brown. Certainly, he can't have a drastic change in his day-to-day image; that would be a total disaster.

He is seen by voters in the south of England as cautious, ostensibly a dour man. If that were to change overnight, it would be artificial.

If he can be seen to be leading the country, and contrast himself with David Cameron's relative inexperience, it will work in his favour. The voters are still undecided about Mr Brown.

DR JENNIFER VAN HEERDE, lecturer in political science at University College London

VOTERS are forgiving if they trust someone, but they still demand someone who is personable. You do have to employ advisers and make sure you come across well, but it is difficult.

If we are going to get past the question of whether we need a party leader to have Blairesque qualities, people have to decide whether they want presentation alone, or someone who is capable of drawing together policies. I think it is unfortunate that Brown's time as Prime Minister has coincided with significant change in the world, with the global credit crunch, and the remnants of Blair's policies, in Iraq for example.

SHANE GREER, of political website shanegreer.com

Gordon Brown is very distant. That comes across in his interviews. He is awkward and mechanical and sounds like a broken record. He isn't able to relate policy to people.

Look at Tony Blair's personality. He had an amazing ability to connect with people on their level. Gordon Brown doesn't have that same kind of personality. He is much more a mechanical, robotic politician.

When you compare that to what David Cameron is doing, he's got a much more personable approach. Tony Blair, whatever else you thought about him as a politician, was a great communicator. Tony Blair was the kind of guy you could see yourself having a beer with.

JONATHAN GABAY, Marketing expert from Brand Forensics

From a branding point of view, there are two markets – there is an overseas one and there is a home one. In the last couple of months, Gordon Brown seems to have done everything he can overseas, including an appearance on American Idol, where he tried to be a cool sort of guy. All that is superfluous unless he can consolidate his brand image at home.

It has to be a message that is simple, understandable and achievable to give him a slight chance of redeeming things. His problem is that he is the person who has arrived at a party just as it is about to close.

MIKE ION, blogger and former Labour parliamentary candidate

THE task facing Gordon Brown is monumental. If he is to survive, then he will need to define his vision for Britain with far more clarity and passion. This will mean leading public opinion, rather than merely following it. Brown more than anyone understands how trust and integrity matter in modern politics. If a fourth term is to be achieved Labour must continue with its reform package and stop fretting about opinion polls.

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  • Last Updated: 27 May 2008 12:41 AM
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 00:19:34

The whole point being and forget,..'Gordon Ze Broon' for one moment!

Motorist's have always and always be,..'Easy Money'!

Who is going to part with their car,??

Come on Now,..WHO,?

OH YES! the,..'deadman' maybe!

Easy Money indeed!, at £6.00 per Gallon at the 'Pumps'

But we all pay it! and say, 'Quite Happily',,

'YES, SIR, THREE BAGS FULL SIR'!
2

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 00:49:48
Well this article is quite right on one or two points. The New Labour Party of England are certainly revolting, but thats nothing when you compare the MSP's and MP's who advocate Unionism here in Scotland to save the British Economy. Now they are revolting indeed. The stench that follows these dirty low life traitors to the Scottish People only act in the best interests of their own pockets. They are the lowest of the Low who should be publicly flogged for the damage they have perpetrated on the Scottish Nation. Especially the New Labour Cabal of Brown, Browne, Darling the incompetant, Douglas the Jesse Alexander and Moffat who robbed the taxpayer to fill her pockets. This is a group who are poison and should be charged with crimes against the Scottish Race. Traitors everyone of them.
3

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27/05/2008 01:00:55
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/05/2008 01:09:42
1
Charles, I have.
With the internet all your shopping needs are catered for.Delivery to your door is good for me.
Or are you the type who has to get into his car to travel half a mile?
5

truthsleuth,

27/05/2008 01:32:07
Put fuel tax and road tax up motorists and road hauliers have been cossetted for to long. Even with the proposed increases it is doubtful cars nor lorries are more expensive to run than they were a few years ago. Remeber the biggest lorries (the highest subsidised road users) had road tax cut not so many years ago BY GORDON BROWN.

It also concerns me that when the miners blocked roads in the 1980s miners strike the police FOUGHT them off the road to make way for lorries.

Now we have the spectacle of the police ESCORTING lorries that are effectively stopping others going about their just business. The lorries should be stopped and funneled into a car park/s and their drivers be made demonstrate on foot as most other demonstrators have to.

OH yes as with the previous demonstration by 'road hauliers' no doubt many will be farmers using red diesel.
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 01:42:01

Conan re:#4,

"are you the type who has to get into his car to travel half a mile?"

Conan, 'Of Course NOT!'

Tell you what,?

DYW and I have probably walked more than anyone, nothing for us is too much effort, after having our poor days and "WALK" we DID!

For Me, 'Car No Car' has always been a part of my life since I was 17years old, hence my observation on this topic, re:#1.

Thus,
I am not 'decrying' the issue in hand, only making an educated observance.
7

Matt there,

somewhere 27/05/2008 01:52:57
There's such a lot poor Gordon Brown just doesn't get, isn't there?

Put up fuel duty... but don't offer any real improvements in public transport. Very little spent on government-backed research into alternative powertrains to replace diesel and petrol engines.

He's pretty much clueless, isn't it?
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 01:55:20

On a lighter note, look at the picture the Scotsman News chose for this topic!

Reminds me off,..'Grumpy Face' in 'Eastenders'

That,

'Bianca'
9

Mr A Roy,

27/05/2008 01:58:18
Are there any labour voters left i wonder ?
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 01:59:57

Mr A Roy re:#9,

"Are there any labour voters left i wonder ?"

NOT with that Face! :D
11

hibbie,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 02:08:00
The man is so out of touch it is unbelievable, he is a saggy old t1t.
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 02:21:59

hibbie re:11,

You see, You Said It!

This is why I am Soo Wonderful, and if you don't know him, his name is, what we call,..'Our Boy Wonder' he is on theses forums often!

Sad thing is! He, "Wonders" why I am Soo 'Wonderful'!

Not realising,..'I AM IN TOUCH'!

Hence the,..'Babes' Love Me, 'Car NO Car', '4by4 NO 4by4'!
:D
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 02:25:38

And I DONT NEED,.."excise duty" for performance!
14

Conan the Librarian™,

27/05/2008 02:35:14
6
Sorry Charles.A yes or no would have been enough;-)
15

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 02:44:52

Conan re:14,

Point taken, I am in a worried mood this-morning as DYW was through invasive IVF treatment yesterday and is not to well.

My structuring of my comments may reflect my worry.
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 03:01:04

Gotta get away now, cu all later, DYW needs me beside her, only even if its only a room away.
17

W Smith,

Middle East 27/05/2008 04:03:43
Its amusing to see the socialists in Scotland trying to prop up their beloved Labour Party.

They've used environmentalism to excuse their taxation and the latest tax on working class people had nothing to do with Blair.

Under George Bush the 'tyrant' americans are paying around 54 pence a litre for petrol.

So what does that make our Gordon?
18

Guga II,

Rockall 27/05/2008 04:58:45
These lying, thieving charlatans are determined to tax us into the ground.

19

RussellC,

Windsor Heights 27/05/2008 06:03:56
ok... where to begin here....

Having lived and still living in the states (Iowa) for over 7 yrs, Scottish born & bred & happy for 35yrs... the thought that the wee man is being hit in the b@lls by the party that are supposed to be the wee mans BOX is dispicable!

My wife, 9 mth kid and I intend a visit back home for 2 weeks during August, hiring a car etc... with the exchange rate... we will pay at minimum 11 dollars a gallon.

Here in Iowa, i snigger to myself at the Americans who bitch about paying $4 a gallon...

If Salmond can make Scotland rich for "its people" and quit the groin kicks from Westminster... I may bring my family home...

R
20

Ubi,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 06:37:33
The government isn't governing. Time for one which does.
21

SouthernSkye,

Bionnie Bonn 27/05/2008 06:38:12
G Brown and Co. really need to ponder a few points here as this is, at least, the 4th retrospective "tax" to be applied since they came to power.
IR35 and S660(a) - Those of you self.emp may be aware of these. Then there was, if I recall correctly, air passenger duty (applied to tickets already paid for) and now this. The pulic, in the main, are not supplied with crystal balls and cannot see what tax HMG is going to decide to apply to goods already purchased (like with APD). So how can it be possible to plan and budget if the Govt. is then going to apply rules in this fashion?
Just makes a mockery of the entire system and to claim a "green tinge" to this legislation is ludicrous.


22

Russell M,

Stirling 27/05/2008 07:29:38
Pastor Martin Niemöller tried to warn us.

First she came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the handgun owners
and I did not speak out
because I did not own a firearm.
Then they came for my car
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force.
Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

While fighting totalitarian regimes and ruling an empire the British government has learned just how far it can push lawful middle class subjects before the seeds of revolution germinate. Let us not forget that it was the Tories that introduced the scheme of pricing us out of our cars. Yet when "new" Labour came to power they saw the potential and said we'll have that, thank you very much. The choice is not between left and right but, like the Enlightenment philosophers said, between more government or less.
23

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News: 27/05/2008 07:38:02
Where *is* all this money going?

Can Gordon Brown possibly blame this on the the world economy?

Can any incoming government cope with the mess they will find when they come to power?

Gordon Brown should resign immediately and a general election should be called.

P.S. I don't think that this recent public (and party) rejection of him is anything to do with his personality, or should I say, lack of it. It all stems from his total incompetence and lack of business acumen.

Yours etc

Angus Whitton
24

1745,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 07:53:46
23

You have hit the nail on the head, just where does all the money go, is he ( Brown) feeding the whole Continent of Africa?or is it used to prop up the falling down Labour party? Why does he require such huge taxes Scotland already gives him Billions each year?
25

C U Jimmy,

East Ayrshire 27/05/2008 07:54:53
The present UK Government's answer to every problem it 'Tax it' They don't know any other way.
26

Non!!,

East Britain 27/05/2008 07:55:00
What a mess!! Whatever the rights and wrongs, this is what happens when the boss loses control. When a big animal falls, the little animals eat him for lunch.It will be one revolt after another from this point on.

As far as Gordon Brown changing his image is concerned the prognosis for him is bleak indeed. Charm school is unlikely to work and will make him even more stilted and unreal.I have never seen a man of his age and rigidity make a fundamental and effective change of the kind that GB would have to make. Best he can do is to stay out of sight in his bunker. This too will destroy him but he may slow the destructive process though we may already be beyond that point. Fruitur crispum dolce! (Trans : It is thus that the cookie crumbles.)
27

C U Jimmy,

East Ayrshire 27/05/2008 07:59:01
Would you like Gordon Brown as your next door neighbour?
If he was next door to me I would want a a reduction in in my Council tax.
28

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

27/05/2008 08:03:56
This is a poorly written piece - the higher above-inflation road tax is not being faced by 18 million drivers but by those with the most polluting cars (band G). For those driving cars registered after 2001 and that are not high CO2 emitters the rise will be around £5-£10 per annum. For example,my own car is in the second highst band - Band F - I will pay £210 next year - that works out as a rise of £5 (up from £205 last year). That is a rise of 2.44% - below the present inflation rate.

But then Maths has never been a strong point for journalists.
29

Dissector,

Stirling 27/05/2008 08:20:21
The Liarbour Party used to impose "tax and spend" excessively. New Liarbour has taken that two stages further - tax, spend, waste and ignore all financial realities to levels akin to the former Soviet Bloc - perhaps that's what they really want to get back to !
30

Sile,

Earth 27/05/2008 08:20:55
2#
You should all be acclaiming Brown, he signed the Scottish Claim of Right, so to accuse the Nu Liebore of being English is ludicrous, we cannot wait to get rid of the g1t, as the Crewe election proved, as far as we are concerned he has no mandate to rule us,and you can have the gook back along with the others you mention such as Darling, Browne and the Alexander clan. think of the enjoyment we would have watching them in your parliament, something he denies us, saying it was divisive,lololol, and don,t tell me that Westminster is full of English MPs they are all party robots, their collective name down here is the Scottish Mafia.

Maire Anntoinette said 'Let them eat cake' On the radio this morning a govt minister proclaimed that people have choices'They should sell their cars' they are so far off this planet with their pensions, expences they have no idea of how we all live..
31

Dominic, London,

27/05/2008 08:23:03
Road tax, 10p tax, 42-day detention plan - these are just pretexts used by a network of Blairites to topple the PM.
In reality they don't give a fig on either of these issues or care in the slightest about the ordinary people in this country. All they want is to see Gordon Brown off and forward their own agenda. And this agenda should be our biggest worry!
32

Jock ex 45Cdo RM,

THORNHILL 27/05/2008 08:24:35
Gordon always starts a political point by referring to the 'watershed' date when New Labour wrre elected to Parliament. 1977.
His vehicle Tax Revenue was sufficient to manage the Economy. With a variety of Tax increases in the Vehicle field the Tax Revenue is now FOUR times that.
Prudence demonstrated he could fleece nad Tax the motorist but has clearly shown he cannot manage the spending. We now have as PM and Chancellor a History and Legal graduates, neitherqualified for the job they hold. Time they were out.
Perhaps Darling with his Legal background could investigate, charge and see all the theiving bloodsuckers who have sytematically claimed illrgal and immoral expenses.
What kind of example is this to the voters. I'll tell you, it is one of deceit,rule bending,greed, and setting themselves way above moral integrety.
33

mad cyclist,

Stevenston 27/05/2008 08:30:15
This mans a complete and utter JOKE! PM my ar*e! Jim Royle would make a more fitting prime minister than this idiot...!

His Dad must be really disappointed and embarrassed to have brought up this supposed God fearing idiot.

Message is Brown you're a Clown
34

Ananurhing,

27/05/2008 08:36:26
In my household we burn oil for our heating. No choice I'm afraid. My wife commutes in her 1.9L diesel car. I run a 4wd estate which I drive about once a week, and is an absolute necessity for my wife in the winter.

This scumbag is crucifying us just to be able to live. Like many people, we are penalised because of our location, where we get little or no services.

A bankrupt govt. bereft of ideas or direction.
35

Paddi,

27/05/2008 08:38:05
#19, you may snigger. but at least we don't live in the 4th Reich!
36

CLX,

ABZ 27/05/2008 08:40:02
Joan Ruddock, the environment minister, said that while she sympathised with motorists, the government "could not lose sight of the environment agenda".

What a load of c*ck. For agenda read lets make money while the sun shines an stuff it to the people again.

The problem with the UK is that we are good at grumbling and making noises but when it comes to direct action we are hopeless and easily passified. We are given a "sorry" and a "we will look at it" by the government then it's woo-hoo we won....

We only have ourselves to blame in the long run. I wonder if there is also a world shortage of BACKBONE??
37

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 27/05/2008 08:46:06
#2 ' A Better Way'
Interesting revelation of the Natzionalist Psyche which you reveal in the racist, xenophobic, England-hating bile that you spew forth in your love of 'The scottish Race' (Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer). The paradox of course is that all the evils being visited upon the people of the UK have been perpetrated by Scots! Blair - Glasgow-born and Fettes educated - took us into the illegal Iraq War. Brown - son of the Kircaldy manse stole the pensions, sold the gold, revoked the 10p tax and gave us the greatest national debt in history; Darling the Edinburgh cooncillor is about to tax your car off the road, the Alexander twins are the longest running joke from Scotland - would gice Harry Lauder a run for his money, Des Broone -sent the boys to AFghanistan without boots, John Reid - the communist who ruined the Home Office. The paradox for the Natzionalist intelligentsia -(oor oil, wor whisky, ein Salmond)is that Scotland has RULED the UK since 1998. And all that has been proven about your beloved 'Scottish Race' is that they are bunch of lying,thieving, incompetent, neo-Marxist barstards.
The reason Unionists oppose Scotch independence - is they know that with this lot in charge - or even worse the bunch of numpties in Follyrood running things without the subsidy trough from the English taxpayer - they would have to send the United Nations in to restore order and distribute food within 2 years.
38

La5t_minit,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 08:50:12
#24. They need the extra tax income to pay (on expenes of course) for the additional toilet roll's they will be buying to soak up all the BS they keep spouting.

BTW, You can always tell when a politician is lying..... Their lips move.. And if their lips dont move its because someone elses hand is up their ass puling the strings.

Fix a politicians income to that of the 'average' man and see how quickly they standard of living increases for everyone.
39

M.T.,

27/05/2008 08:56:37
"Hauliers are warning of dire consequences if the planned 2p rise goes ahead. As their protest gets underway today, drivers plan to hand in a letter to Downing Street, calling on the government to make a special exception and grant fuel duty rebates to operators of "essential vehicles".
But that risks angering ordinary motorists also hit hard by high fuel costs."

Note the words "essential vehicles" Every 2p onto fuel costs puts 1% onto Haulers rates. Every 1% onto Hauliers rates puts the goods they carry food, clothes, in other words, the total cost of living up.

The fuel tax only effects British Hauliers as foreign hauliers can travel the country free of charge and without obeying the rules & regulations as there is no deterrent to stop them. It has been well documented that foreign hauliers have 9700 accidents costing £52m per annum and the figure is growing. Sideswiping is the main cause of accidents as the drivers cannot see vehicles on the right as they sit on the left

What will we do, if British Haulers are priced out of business and only foreign hauliers run on our roads?
40

Shaken,

27/05/2008 08:56:58
#40
Words cannot describe your particular brand of post collonial sanctimonious waffle. As outdated as your ideas on the Union. Hint clever English person. This is a paper called the Scotsman geddit. You believe England subsidises Scotland and we cannot govern/

Your right we have pretty much ruled your country and your football for years because you are incompetent. (Me generalise - no) Even in football you have an Italian in charge of your national team a Scotsman running your conuntry a Scostman winning your league and Europes. But I digress your countrymen share your problem of being all talk and no trousers. Yes we have superior management skills yes the English as a race have no cohonnes senor..
41

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/05/2008 09:05:44
This Government is clueless, absolutely. But it is also very sinister. Brown et al appear to hate the idea of the ordinary person owning anything (they themselves are exempt of course), they want to track our every movement, database every part of our personal data and are now moving towards stopping the ordinary person flying (personal carbon credits) and driving (fuel duty and VED).

Brown says he is listening, but make no mistake, he would have done nothing about the abolition of the 10p tax rate, had he not been facing a back-bench revolt. How anyone can still support Labour is beyond me. We need to take control of our country (Scotland) again!
42

voltaire's janny,

27/05/2008 09:06:56
To a first order, congestion is a function of vehicle length. To a first order, pollution is a function of work done by the engine.

Tax these things appropriately and vehicles will get shorter and lighter and address both problems. If fuel goes up and up across the board it will be less easy to influence behaviour in an effective direction.

Single occupant SUV drivers inside cities? W@nkers all. Let 'em pay a grand a year in tax.

There is no rational argument for a car much above 2000 cc. Tax 'em.

BTW shaken. English is a nationality, not a race, and it's spelled cojones amigo.
43

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

27/05/2008 09:16:14
#33 The point I was making was that there are not 18 million motorists facing the £100 rise in band G. In any case, as papers such as the Guardian have pointed out (http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/mar/15/budgetcartax) motorists can still drive 4x4s and bigger engined cars if they choose the right model.

This will be particularly important from next year when the new showroom tax comes in. It is this tax that motorists will face the large road tax increases from. It will not affect existing motorists but anyone purchasing a new vehicle - the easiest thing to do would be to shop around and found a similar model (preferably diesel) to avoid the large increases due to the showroom tax.
44

fegan,

newtownards 27/05/2008 09:17:27
We should learn from the French and stick to our guns and not just make noise and bitch.
When we protest we should go all the way and be committed until we get a just society.
But we as Subjects not Citizens and as subjects we seem to have lost the ability to make ourselves heard.
We always give in to the dictates of the aloof Government That have no idea what the hell is really going on in the real world.
You don't see to many MP being driven around in a Car that is good for the Climate so I don't believe the bull That Ministers dish out
45

Teofilio Cubillas,

27/05/2008 09:24:47
I've read through this thread and no-one after #3 Alan HandofGod137) has put it more succinctly.

"Half the fuel duty and pay for your own kitchens and cleaners you f@cking thieves".

46

livilion,

livingston 27/05/2008 09:27:10
We need to tax poorer people into using less of everything it appears. If you have the money you are exempt from the effects of road pricing, parking rates, congestion charging etc.
Brown and Bendy Wendy's socialist Utopia?

But here's what gets me, Brown in his last prebudget declaration as Chancellor reckoned his Treasury would bank about £12bn this year in oil revenue from the North Sea, that when oil was going for less than $40 a barrel. How much of a windfall is he now getting with oil at $135, and heading for $150-$200, a barrel.

My simple arithmetic would give him an additional £20bn-£30bn a year, about the same amount we pay in fuel duty and car tax and bearing in mind that in 2005 he was only claiming £5bn for income from the North Sea.

I'm inclined to think that our most sucessful Treasurer since the war only managed to balance his books by flogging off our pension funds, the UKs gold reserves and cashing in student debts to the highest bidder.
47

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

27/05/2008 09:32:18
#42 Like you I am more concerned about the price of fuel itself than the increase in road tax.

18 months ago, in Dundee, we were paying 83p per litre. Now fuel is a lowest 112p a litre. Instead of getting 61 litres per £50 spent we now only get 44.6 litres per £50 spent. It now costs me £50 to fill up instead of the £37 it did 18 months ago. I use a tank a week - if prices remain as they are - I will be paying an extra £676 over the next year.

The government could be doing a lot more to help motorists in terms of fuel duty. Because of soaring oil prices the government have gained an extra £1.3 Billion in North Sea oil tax revenues(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/fair_deal_for_drivers/2033733/Alistair-Darling-pressured-to-scrap-fuel-duty-rise.html). Why not look to reducing the or at least freezing the rate of duty on petrol/diesel?
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Liz,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 09:38:12
#2
You really are a blinkered wally aren't you?
You claim the Labour party currently in power at Westminster are somehow 'English'.
Scots take up more of the top positions than possibly any time in the history of the Parliament - and yet you are still winging about things being anti-Scottish.
Do not forget that if/when Scotland becomes independent most of these Scottish MP's will be elected up here and will will be stuck with them and no excuses.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

27/05/2008 09:41:07
#50 Since March the Treasury has gained £810 million in extra revenue from North sea oil and an extra £520 million from VAT on fuel sales. That is only over 2 months - over a year (at current fuel prices) it would work out at £4.86 billion in extra revenue from North sea oil and £3.12 billion from VAT on fuel sales. The Treasury would have an extra £7.98 billion of extra revenue that it had not planned for in March's budget.

A freezing of October's planned 2p rise would only cost an estimated £550 million for 6 months. The extra revenue would give the Chancellor scope to reduce fule duty by as much as 16p a litre for a year.
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subrosa,

27/05/2008 09:42:01
It's now a crisis management Westminster government. The words 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' spring to mind.
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livilion,

livingston 27/05/2008 09:42:03
48 happy english
Englishmaster, rich31, whatever, Ok so Broon is a disaster and so for different reasons was Blair, perhaps because they tried to please the locals and chose to forget their roots, shame there was nobody else up to do the job from a population of 50+million and 646 MPs at Westminster.

Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major on the other hand were shining examples to us all. Aye right!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 27/05/2008 09:45:02
Joan Ruddock, the environment minister, said that while she sympathised with motorists, the government "could not lose sight of the environment agenda".

It's now time to both lose sight of this "agenda" and the politicians who have been promoting it. For "environment" read "TAX". This government is addicted to tax raising at the slightest opportunity but we, the taxpayers, have nothing to show for it after 11 years of those traitors being in charge. I thought about the use of that word but came to the conclusion I was right first time. How else can you define a government that promises to give a vote on the EU then denies it. Runs two wars that have no defined end and are consuming resource like it's going out of style. Tax the living daylights out of anything they can get their hands on. Whilst living the high life at our expense and admitting to raising funds that both break the rules and laws surrounding them.

In the past this type of Quisling would have met their fate by facing a firing squad. For this lot the worst fate they could face would be having to earn a living like the rest of us without the perks. We'd soon see how long it was before they abandoned any "green" principles and would realise the importance of balancing their personal budgets.

Brown was never a great chancellor as he'd have us believe. It was all spin and no substance. Evidence? The coffers are empty and the tax and spend rather predictable. With hauliers protesting today it's another nail in the coffin. Brown cannot change substantially enough to tackle the fiscal mess we are in, because that would be seen to be a complete reversal of his "vision". He must go. He places much more importance on saving the rest of planet and sorting out water supplies and disease in developing countries than he does in tackling the real and obvious needs of the population of the UK, which is unforgiveable.
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James.com,

27/05/2008 09:50:51
NuLabour are so good at producing slow burning resentment in the electorate. They misrepresent these taxes in the Budget (New high poluting4x4s-Green Choice etc.) Then the truth drips out. Still someone has to pay for their second homes.
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livilion,

livingston 27/05/2008 09:54:37
53 The Federalist
Aye, that's in addition to what he'd budgeted for in March this year and assumes that oil prices will remain at their current level to the end of the fiscal.
On those assumptions the windfall is 150% of his North Sea income in 2005, and he's still pleading poverty?

So you've got to gamble your house: do you bet that oil prices will go on rising or drop back towards $50 a barrel?
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chiller,

Fife 27/05/2008 09:58:46
I'm sick and tired of this government, all they want to do is tax the average man in the street to death, then tax him some more.

I've always been a floating voter, the next general election can't come quick enough, my vote will be cast to the best candidate able to force the labour MP out of his seat.

Gordon Brown has totally lost touch with the people and true labour values. He needs to go now.
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CLX,

ABZ 27/05/2008 10:23:11
It's time for Broon to fess up.
Where the hell is his "moral compass" in all this?

Quite a difficult one really, Labour politicians and morality...mmmm doesn't quite fit does it.....
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Green,

Dundee 27/05/2008 10:29:34
I love the commentators.............

Five men, one woman as usual. Perhaps that's why the politicians mess up so much. 52% of the electorate is female, and fewer females have cars or access to cars, they rely far more on public transport.

If you have not known for the last 20 years that the oil economy was highly unstable and factored in that in, choosing where to live etc. why should anyone worry about you now?
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birdman,

edinburgh 27/05/2008 10:34:04
If any other party was governing, what do people think would have been different, NOTHING. What is happening around the world, affecting us and everyone else, would still happen, and we would be a lot worse off.

People should always be on there guard when some personable person comes along, because they often turn out to be con artists; smile and say they are looking for faults and then taking everything you thought you had safe.

Gordon Brown was a good chancelor, but it takes time to settle into a new job and his team should be HELPING him and their PARTY through this phase, or they should do the honourable thing, and resign.

I am not a member of any political group, I have to use a car because of mobility problems and I'm an ex serviceman who served in N.I. and I dont just accept things because the media say so, but I have one question that keeps niggling away at me.

The price of crude in $$$ has risen quite a bit, but the exchange rate for the £ to $ has improvedquite a bit, so why are we paying so much?
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Green,

Dundee 27/05/2008 10:37:45
Dancingbear.

You are an idiot. Get back to Saudia Arabia where you belong.
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Ananurhing,

27/05/2008 10:38:41
#63 Green

So would you prefer to see the entire population relocated to the central belt? Why? Or are you suggesting we all emigrate overseas?
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Green,

27/05/2008 10:53:35
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People lived outside the central belt before oil, use your imagination!

But don't use your imagination to dream about this - stable world with loads of cheap oil. People buying second homes in Spain as they reckon they can fly there six times a year for under 1200 quid? Have you seen house prices in Spain recently… falling like a stone.

What's happened in the last 20 years:

Iranian revolution, after the Iranians got rid of an Anglo/American installed dictator.. installed to control the oil


1990 the Kuwait war... about oil

Iraq war we are in now about oil. Yep you are complaining about 2p on oil and we are at war over it.

Russia's resurgence.... on the back of their oil assets

China using more and more oil..... soon to be the world’s most powerful economy… with all that follows.
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Venachar,

27/05/2008 10:53:54
It's not the PR and public speaking, it's the policies stupid!!
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Rowat,

Kilmarnock 27/05/2008 10:56:40
Basically the man is in the wrong job and everybody seems to know it but him. He comes across as impersonal, absorbed in analysis, detached or even aloof. He also appears to be focused on principles and unable to switch from ideas to what is the reality of daily living for the large majority of us. One more... as a Leader he is pretty useless at conveying his conclusions to the rest of the world and getting them accepted! As I said at the beginning, he's in the wrong job, he should have stayed at number 11 with his figures and kept away from people.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 11:04:35
It is about time that this looney and his band of merry morons got the hell out of power. They are causing untold damage to this country.

Fuel duty should ba halved, Road tax should be retuned to a flat rate (£100 for a car would seem a reasonable figure) and the tax on tobacco and alcohol should be substantially dropped.

Every single thing the idiot Brown has done has resulted in above inflation price rises---and then they have lied to the public, pretending that inflation is low by discounting tax rises etc. In real terms, for the man in the street, inflation has been running at about 10% ever since 1997 when the country went mad and voted these imbeciles into power.
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Ananurhing,

27/05/2008 11:07:11
#69 Green

Oh that's alright then. Thanks for the erm...clarification...I think. So we either go back to the stone age......or put up and shut up. The way we are being screwed by our govt. is okay with you, because you perceive this as some green agenda.

I recognise your slack jawed style. What was your previous moniker?
WTF have house prices in Spain got to do with poorly paid rural families struggling to run a car and heat their homes?
Keep it real chum!
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Green,

Dundee 27/05/2008 11:07:38
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Quite right.

Also he is the guy who designed the Financial Services Authority which is supposed to have been regulating the banks since 2001 and totally failed as we the taxpayers have seen He also pushed through the Family Credit system having been advised there would be huge teething problems as the systems in place could not handle it. But he could not handle the criticism!


He is not an administrator, nor is he someone who can communicate with the voter, as he does not really do reality.
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Green,

Dundee 27/05/2008 11:12:15
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Sorry we are going back to the Stone Age... no the 19th century. We had railways.... canals, lot of intra coastal shipping. It was the industrial revolution....

What we are not going to have is cheap oil. Factor in the cost of our Iraq war and maybe the forthcoming Iranian war. Sorry people have to live in the real world and that means dealing with the rest of the world as it is, and as the rest of the world has most of the oil.
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Ananurhing,

27/05/2008 11:20:19
#75 Green

I understand all that, but the issue here is about unfair, punitive taxation. Also the price of oil is being determined by unscrupulous speculators. Not the producers.

Are you studying Scottish history somewhere?
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Green,

27/05/2008 11:27:43
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Your pure taxes pay for the oil wars.

And oil prices are controlled by the producer countries, oil companies and the speculators who make profits speculating in any unstable market full of a number of independent actors.

Also I forgot, several shipping companies are now putting high tech controlled sails on large cargo ships and using them along with engines to get 30% reduction in fuel costs for ocean shipping.


Use your imagination!
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 11:31:55
I'm no great friend of New Labour, but I have to admit that I'm impressed by Brown's stand. He's making decisions which he must know are harming his chances of re-election. Finding a politician who will put his principles ahead of a desire to be re-elected is a rare thing indeed.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 27/05/2008 11:36:08
Wll Broon be offering a message of condolance during the next PMq,s.
The man is a complete and utter nutter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1021940/Gordon-Brown-writes-letter-sympathy-John-Terry-Champions-League-penalty-miss.html
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Liz,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 11:42:19
#78
Shame his stand is just confirming the fact that he is utterly clueless about the mess we are in and he is no real grasp of what is actually going on.
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scunnin,

Germany 27/05/2008 11:43:24
I am saddened to what I am seeing with Brown as he thought he could do the job and is just a flop. They are creating taxes here and there, does anyone know how many taxes Labour has introduced since they came to power?

I am tired of the UK looking like a 3rd world country. We have so many on the breadline and many under it. What is the answer? Create a new tax to take more money from people and make them poorer than they already are. To be honest I am pretty tired of seeing what this Government has done to the UK. If you check under http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ and check for fuel you will see many petitions to lower taxes or prices on the fuel.

I think its time he resiged disgraced from power and let someone who actually knows how to run this country into power. Get someone to nationalise the Railways again, kick out most of the management of the NHS and invest that money back into Doctors and Nurses. Invest into technology and weapons that actually works for our Military and lets start acting like the country we are, rather than the country we wish we were.
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Ananurhing,

27/05/2008 11:44:17
#77 Green

??????????????
I understand all that as well. I'm hoping to be one of the first to use the new Beck Meikle hydro generators for my home and business when it's released. None of this has anything to do with this story. Punitive taxation, and morally corrupt government!
Ach,....never mind! Think I'll use my imagination and go do something else.
Thanks for the errrr........lesson!
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livilion,

livingston 27/05/2008 11:44:27
#69 etc Green
Who is it driving their kids to school in their Chelsea tractors checking their makeup in the rear view mirror as they blether with someone on a mobile phone stuck to their ear that they only left five minutes earlier?

As for women running the world, two words: Margaret Thatcher! Or how about Labour front bench MSPs?

Presumably your 52% of the population don't vote or why else do we have the parliamentarians we have, somebody's been voting for them?
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 11:48:55
#81
You'll notice from my location that I'm not directly subject to Brown's policies. However, I'm not sure I'd describe him as clueless. Would you suggest that Bush or Cameron are 'smarter'? Instead,I would say Brown is surrounded by those lacking in talent and conviction.
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James.com,

27/05/2008 11:55:40
*78 He does not "know" what day it is!
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The Strategist,

27/05/2008 12:01:37
I try hard not to get overly agitated about issues like this but the fact is that this Govt promised that it would use the increases in taxation to fund additional R&D in alternative energy technologies.

It lied... it hasn't done anything of the sort.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 12:04:31
#81
He is clueless, his policies whilst Chancellor could easily confirm this view.
He caused irreparable damage to the pensions system, he claimed in one of his first speches that he would control the housing market and end the 'boom and bust' he did nothing about the boom and he is now scrabbling around to avoid the bust.
He built an economy based on debt - both national and personal and now that the good times are past has nothing left in the reserves and he has the cheek to stand there and blame the US for our problems and even worse is still telling us repeatedly 'we have low inflation' he demonstrating that he is either:
1) Lying
2) a blitheing idiot
I will let you take your pick
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 12:05:36
*86

Now you are being petty and ridiculous. He has his faults , but I'm not sure if your statement really adds anything. He's not a stupid man, far from it he's 'calculating'. I admit I cannot fathom his strategy, but he must know that his decisions are not making re-election likely. Yet, he continues to stick to his guns. THE FELLA'S NOT FOR TURNING, perhaps?
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scunnin,

Germany 27/05/2008 12:06:17
well Liz I think its clear to say bye bye Browny and hello new Government that wants to build a nation rather than people who get rich ..
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Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 27/05/2008 12:15:45
I've been watching on the news the fuel protest by the lorry drivers on the A40.

Where is Scotland's protest? It's here in the comments section of the Scotsman online. But all anyone seems to be interested in is oneupmanship. I've not read one comment relevant to the story that isn't just a jibe at another person. You're all good at 'Talking the Talk' but can you 'Walk the Walk'?

I can, I superglued myself to the gates of Edinburgh Sheriff court over a point of principle ten years ago(4th November 1998 for those who might doubt my credibility). I wish I was as smart and as clever as what some of you come across, then I would know what to do to lead a protest properly rather than just blow hot air in an online newspaper.

The only way I know how to lead a revolution is violently, if there was one person out there willing to take up the reins of a protest they'll get my support.

I would die for what I believed in before I killed to enforce it. Our government sent out troops to enforce their idea of what was right, and look at where we are now. We're all bitching at the rise in fuel and one of the main causes is our own government.

Put up or shut up, anyone can talk, it's cheap, in the mean time what are we going to do?

Anyone know what I need to do to start a protest? Honestly I really want to know because noone else is going to do it.

Loki Jnr
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 27/05/2008 12:25:24
What makes me laugh is that a few weeks ago the police were protesting about low pay. They would like our support and just hope we forget how they battered the miners into a pulp and now obstruct the lorry drivers from entering Park Lane and central Cardiff. Hypocrites.
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Calum Crubag,

27/05/2008 12:37:29
Funny, how many folk are still using cars unneccessarily. I still see wee neds in souped up noise machines roaring about the roads.

Why don't folk, in cities, get on the buses, trains and their bikes?
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

27/05/2008 13:30:05
#98 I'd lay it fairly and squarely at the feet of the spivs and chancers that trade on the world's spot crude oil markets. Every time there is the slightest piece of negative news regards the world economy they push prices up. If there's good news though they don't push prices down. A lot of the negatives are actually to do with members of OPEC deliberately freezing or holding back on production to artificially push up prices.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 27/05/2008 13:30:58
I just want to get this on the record: for me to get a bus to Inverness from my village would involve a 12 mile round trip walk - sometimes on a 1 in 3 gradient (nice when it's icy). Then I'd have to wait hours for a bus and pay nearly £8 for the 26 mile round trip back to my village.

So if I left at 7am I might just get back by 7 - 9pm. If my heart hadn't given away, climbing up the mountain road. Yup, sure, environmental criminals like me should leave our cars at home.

Funny how the city types want to come and walk around here in spring and summer to enjoy the fruits of our hard work maintaing the place while they have been enjoying their public tansport in their cities.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 27/05/2008 13:35:54
Broon realises he is fcukd and on his way out, he is shafting the public by taxing them beyond their means as a punishment.
The sooner we get rid of this moron the better.
Broons prosperous GB stands for Going Broke.
The welsh truckers are threatening to blockade the oil refineries.
Good luck to them.
Time Scotland got of it,s erse and joined them.
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 13:40:22
#96

Give me a break. I am no fan of New Labour, and I'm pretty sure that if I had a vote then it would be spent on some other party. Why can't you take my comment at face value and not look for some sneaky motive? I truly cannot fathom his strategy, but he does stick to his principles and convictions at all costs. Surely you have it within you to admit that such a stance is honourable. I'm not asking you (or anyone) to recognize anything other than the man's good grace and strength of will.
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 13:57:09
#104

I have no problem talking about Brown's principles. I personally do not agree with them and I think the war in Iraq is a disaster. However, my point was that he sticks to his principles and convictions. Perhaps you'll care to point out what is incorrect in that statement.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 27/05/2008 14:01:45
105 Number 17,Prague.
Broon sticks to his principles like keach on the side of the pan. Time to flush it.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 14:03:55
#102

"I truly cannot fathom his strategy, but he does stick to his principles and convictions at all costs."

One could also apply the above to certain other historical figures, a certain Mr A Hitler comes to mind. One might argue that he too stuck to his principles and convictions but you would find few who would say the following about him;

"Surely you have it within you to admit that such a stance is honourable"

(not that I am equating Mr Brown with Hitler, I am simply trying to discredit your argument by equating it to a slightly different example just because someone belives in something and sticks to their guns does not make them right or admirable)
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Ananurhing,

27/05/2008 14:07:37
#102 No.17

I'm sorry, I simply don't recognise Gordon Brown as you see him. " good grace and strength of will" ? I don't think so! The man is seriously psychologically flawed and has long held delusions of patrician grandeur. Now it has all turned to mush in his hands. He's out of ideas and has nowhere to go. Hence the desperate grubbing for any new way to tax us.
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Mike555,

27/05/2008 14:17:57
The trouble with this country is we are too civilised and take it on the chin when this Labour Government is repeatedly and unfairly robbing us blind.

These Labour politicians including useless Wendy don't live in the real world and the sooner they are out on the street with their big fat unearned pensions the better.
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 14:19:36
Liz, your comparison with Hitler (even with your added context that you are not equating the two) doesn't wash. In fact I think many would find your statement offensive. How many times do I have to state that I don't agree with Mr. Brown before you will accept that I'm not defending him? I would not vote for Brown given the choice. Alas, I do not have a vote so no other party stands to gain from my position. That said, can we not agree that Mr. Brown is not a stupid man? So many insult have been flying his way that I half expect the next attack to be a 'Happy Slap' captured on a mobile phone. My point is that the man is sticking to his guns. He is taking decisions which he must know harm his chances of re-election.....yet he makes those difficult decisions anyway. For this, AND ONLY FOR THIS, I am happy to say that I admire him.
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getinnnn,

27/05/2008 14:37:39
#2 A Better Way
You know it; and I know it: There IS a better way, A Better Way.....
It would be better by far if the Scots took this better way, A Better Way: And, if We get Our referendum, We had better choose to take this better way, A Better Way....and also, A Better Way, I think You make a lot of sense:I think it would be better for Us all to take heed of what A Better Way says because this is surely a better way.....Thanks, A Better Way...
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Liz,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 14:42:01
#111
"My point is that the man is sticking to his guns. He is taking decisions which he must know harm his chances of re-election.....yet he makes those difficult decisions anyway. For this, AND ONLY FOR THIS, I am happy to say that I admire him."

But the point is that he is sticking to his guns on arguments in which he is clearly wrong and as a result is destroying our economy (at the least the bits he has not already ruined). By continuing to blindly continue down the same path he is either displaying arrogence or incompetance and we are all paying through the nose for it. Someone to admire would be a good leader who was honest to the electorate and did not continually try to tell us that everything is ok when everyone can see that it is plainly obvious that it is not.
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Daniel Salaman,

NICOSIA CYPRUS 27/05/2008 14:58:08
Are you ready for a Democratic System or are you going to give your vote to NSP ??????? Brain washing system, if you wish to know a little more about the way that the NSP is trying to brain wash, Scottish people brains, just search the article in our to days Scotsman, Burning Issue: (Should Labour accept Gordon Brown cant win the next election) Bare in mind that this article is a propaganda article written by Mike Weir an SNP MP Westminster Campaign manager. Enough of any further Brain washing propaganda by the so call NSP WHICH IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Lets wake up and pay a little more attention to the aims and targets of this suspicious party ideology who are slowly brain washing the Scottish nation to turn the democratic system into a Dictatorship you turn your pc you may read also answer to the NSP. THANKS
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Number 17,

Prague 27/05/2008 14:59:05
Liz #113

It is not correct to say that he is 'clearly wrong'. It would be better to suggest that we both think he is pursuing the wrong path. As a person, I think he is very decent. As a political leader, I think he is very honest. However, he would not get my vote. I have no desire to engage in trashing his reputation. Instead, the electorate will have their chance to judge him soon enough.
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Daniel Salaman,

27/05/2008 15:29:51
Liz Edinburgh Congratulations my dear i agree with almost everything you said Gordon Browns mistakes are unaccountable, therefore are by every reasonable doubt unforgivable to many in such a short time in power- political mistakes are very expensive much against to the National economy health. Bare in mind that to day Gordon Brown is like a patient on a life support machine, the question is who will switch the machine off the PM brains are(dead for some time now) The only problem now is a kind of a phenomenon type of a problem within the labour party nobody is there to challenge the position of the Prime Minister.
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Richard Lionheart,

27/05/2008 15:38:24
When you take all the Environmental Dogma and put it all together the end result is that Human kind must cease in order to save the planet! Even cows need to be killed off!

One day, hopefully soon, the true story of climate change and how humankind and animal kind deal with it and have dealt with it over the millennia will be allowed to be freely discussed in the public domain.

Until then Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Al Gore Associates are free to make their billions from Carbon Trading Schemes.

Another Brown tax con.
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stug55,

kinglassie 27/05/2008 16:18:06
the 3 most important things that new labour achieved for the uk.
1 tax
2 tax
3 tax.
its about time we all got of our big fat farses and do something about this bunch of hyenas we call mp"s and msp"s. were all a bunch of sheeple. baa, baa, baa
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Friar Tuck,

27/05/2008 16:57:31
It's about time they just did away with road tax and insurance and added the cost for them on to the cost of fuel. That way everyone who drives would pay their fair share for road tax and insurance. If you have a large petrol guzzling monster then you pay more. This would encourage people to use their cars less and also do away with uninsured motorists. It's a no-brainer and probably too simple for the politicians to understand.
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Kiltie Kiltie Caldbum,

3 sters up 27/05/2008 16:58:10
Strange how the photo of Gordon resembles the anti christ.
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Russell M,

Stirling 27/05/2008 18:28:53
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
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getinnnn,

Scotland 27/05/2008 18:31:16
#120 Friar Tuck;
Friar Tuck obviously doesn't own a truck...well, do You Tuck?....truck?.....
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Alan Reid,

NZ 27/05/2008 21:43:06
This is good, these 4x4 cars a just a waste of fuel. Their owners never go off road, it's just a case of "look how much money I earn" I say tax them to death. 80% of people use their cars to comute, why can't they use cars that are smaaler and are far more fuel efficent. Hammer them Gordon!
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ThomasP,

Scotland, Aberdeen 27/05/2008 22:40:18
Daniel Salaman,NICOSIA CYPRUS

You are annoying me. I have replied to you a dozen times and you have yet to reply back to the comments I make.

The SNP and the Scottish Government and because of the European Union and United Nations which we would like to be apart of when we are Independent will expect a Democratic country. Your arguement there is flawed.

This paper is also a Unionist Paper. How can this paper be brain washing the Scots when it supports the Union?

You are crazy to suggest that the SNP are Dictators in waiting. You are not even living in Scotland. How can you even suggest that?

You are from Cyprus? Just tell me why Cyprus is shared between Turkey and Greece?

You should share Scottish sympathy and understand our problem.
116

BK,

Cyberspace 27/05/2008 23:21:20
#23 It's going on an illegal, expensive and ruinous war which is bankrupting the country, and what is left is being squandered on a new generation of WMDs by an immoral and evil warmongering government.
117

ThomasP,

Scotland, Aberdeen 27/05/2008 23:46:47
133 Col. Blimp­IV

I am not here to discuss Cyprus. I was mentioning a point that they should understand the Scottish situation better.

And Cyprus was owned by Egypt way before any other country/era you mentioned

;-)
118

Alan Reid,

Aberdeen 28/05/2008 00:32:44
130 Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias,
Wind your head back in. I said 80% of people, how many people in London use their 4x4 to transport wood?
If you just took time to read my post.
Still you are causing alot of damage to the dunes systems and trails with driving off road, but i guess your one of the rednecks who believe it's your RIGHT to f@ck up the world, sad really.
Are you also one of thoses people who drink beer after killing a small furry animal, because you want to get back to nature?
Also are you of the opinion that those Greenpeace terrorists blew up that French boat, in 85? I've met so many like you.
119

Alan Reid,

Aberdeen 28/05/2008 00:33:37
130 Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias,
Wind your head back in. I said 80% of people, how many people in London use their 4x4 to transport wood?
If you just took time to read my post.
Still you are causing alot of damage to the dunes systems and trails with driving off road, but i guess your one of the rednecks who believe it's your RIGHT to f@ck up the world, sad really.
Are you also one of thoses people who drink beer after killing a small furry animal, because you want to get back to nature?
Also are you of the opinion that those Greenpeace terrorists blew up that French boat, in 85? I've met so many like you.
120

Tobe ornot,

Canada 28/05/2008 04:51:04
Come to B.C. Canada - we are getting a 7% carbon tax on fuel in July and this is in addition to all the other taxes. The Provincial Govnt. is giving every person in B.C. $100.00 to offset this - it is a joke!! This is a great burden on truck drivers, ferries (on which we rely) fuel surcharges on everything so don't think for a minute you are the only people in the world facing tax. Yes, we also have even put a higher tax on SUV's. Our House Taxes (Your pole tax!! ) have just risen $600.00/yr. So stop moaning you are not alone in this world of high taxes.
121

livilion,

livingston 28/05/2008 22:46:25
137 Tobe ornot,Canada
Are you guys in Canada paying $12.50 for a gallon of diesel?

 

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