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Published Date: 18 June 2009
ROADS full of electric cars, a massive increase in wind farms and homes heated using renewable fuels must all be the norm by 2050 if Scotland is to meet its ambitious climate change targets, according to a new report.
A delivery plan on how to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050 has been drawn up by the Scottish Government.

Ambitious aims include getting to the stage where nearly all electricity is provided by renewables, backed up by "clean" fo
ssil fuel power stations.

The document, published yesterday, also lays out a vision for 2050 that would see nearly all road and rail transport become electric – and there could be a 60mph motorway speed limit.

There would be almost zero emissions from landfill, with a ban on sending certain types of waste to such sites.

Homes would be heated using renewable fuels rather than gas and the majority would be heavily insulated, while forests would cover a quarter of Scotland, playing their part by sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

But although the Climate Change Delivery Plan sets out a vision for 2050, it does not spell out exactly how this will be achieved, nor give details as to how much the measures are likely to cost.

These details, according to a Scottish Government spokesman, will be in a further report – a Report on Proposals and Policies, to be published next year.

Stewart Stevenson, the climate change minister, described it as an action plan that would "transform Scotland to a sustainable, low-carbon society". But the Scottish Green Party and environmental organisations felt it did not go far enough.

The action plan has been published ahead of the final round of talks on the draft Scottish Climate Change Bill next week.

Mr Stevenson said: "Scotland will soon have the most far-reaching climate change legis lation in the world.

That must be accompanied by action and our Delivery Plan demands action now, tomorrow and from future generations and governments."

Efforts to reduce emissions would help the economy, he said. "Harnessing energy-related opportunities presented by Scotland's natural capital can create tens of thousands of green jobs as we move to 2050.

"These are jobs for the future – in our rapidly expanding renewables industry, in developing clean fossil fuel technology, in energy efficiency and microgeneration and in the developing sustainable transport industry."

The Climate Change Bill sets a target to cut emissions by at least 34 per cent by 2020, which will be increased to 42 per cent if the EU agrees to reduce its emissions by 30 per cent by 2020.

However, Stop Climate Chaos Scotland, a coalition of environment groups, has called for the SNP to adopt the 42 per cent target now. The group said the action plan showed that it was possible to reduce emissions by 42 per cent by 2020, and said it had "run out of excuses" not to aim for this.

Dr Richard Dixon, director of WWF Scotland, a member of Stop Climate Chaos Scotland, added: "This plan shows that it is possible for Scotland to meet tougher climate targets over the next decade. There is no longer any excuse for politicians to aim any lower than a 40 per cent reduction in emissions by 2020."

Professor Jan Bebbington, vice-chair of the Sustainable Development Commission Scotland, called the plan "ambitious" but said the solution lay in "changing human behaviour".

She said: "The Delivery Plan needs to be clear about how to involve people in this work, not just focus on what technical and legislative changes will be brought in by government."

Green MSPs rejected the plan as "completely inadequate to the task in hand". They said it failed to set targets for emission cuts from energy efficiency, did not commit to a universal home insulation scheme and made assumptions about an unproved technology to capture and store carbon dioxide from power stations with "no Plan B should the technology fail".

It ignored the impact of the SNP's motorway construction programme and did not include moves to reduce road traffic.

Colin Howden, director of Transform Scotland, agreed there was a lack of action on areas such as increasing cycling and walking. In contrast, he said, the government had a "multi-billion road-building programme – which goes strangely unmentioned in this document".

REACHING FORTHE SKY: WILL THE CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN WORK?

ELECTRICITY

PLAN

Largely carbon-free electricity by 2030. More than 50 per cent of electricity will be generated from renewable sources by 2020. By 2030 fossil fuel plants will be fitted with technology that captures carbon dioxide. By 2020 there would be a fully operational power station using carbon capture and storage. Marine energy technologies and offshore wind will come on board. All homes will have smart meters by 2020 to help householders cut down on their energy use.

VERDICT

It is ambitious to aim for electricity to be largely carbon-free by 2030; this will be extremely challenging. The plan places heavy reliance on carbon capture and storage technology coming online. But this has not yet been proven. It also assumes Scotland will win the UK competition for funding for a pilot scheme, but this may not happen. And it relies on the grid being dramatically improved; yet there is huge opposition to the Beauly to Denny line upgrade, which would need to be the first step.

HEAT

PLAN

By 2020, 11 per cent of heat would be generated from renewable sources. By 2050 there would be a largely carbon-free heat supply, due to a combination of reduced demand and energy efficiency, as well as a massive increase in the use of renewable heating. All suitable cavity walls and lofts would be insulated, as well as up to 40 per cent of homes with solid walls. Behaviour would change, so that people turned down their thermostats by one degree and switched off heating.

VERDICT

The aim of 11 per cent renewable heat by 2020 is very ambitious and will be difficult to achieve. Particularly challenging will be persuading people to change their habits to agree to use non-conventional low carbon technologies to heat their homes, such as solar power, biomass boilers or heat pumps. There could also be difficulties encouraging take up of new technologies at the same time as tackling fuel poverty.

TRANSPORT

PLAN

Transport would be almost entirely carbon-free by 2050, and there would be significant progress by 2030. This would be achieved by widespread adoption of electric cars and vans, and significant use of electric rail networks by 2050. By 2020 there would be a battery charging infrastructure network in cities and towns. There would be an increased use of biofuels, the speed limit could have reduced to 60 mph on motorways and driving techniques would have become more efficient.

VERDICT

The aim of transport becoming carbon free is hugely ambitious and the ways that this would be achieved have come in for criticism. The plans do not include any reduction in the SNP's road building programme, and there is little mention of efforts to prevent use of cars and transport in the first place by encouraging walking or cycling. There is a dependence on technology to solve the problem and this could fail. It could cost a huge amount to make the shift to green vehicles.

RURAL LAND

PLAN

By 2050, 25 per cent of Scotland would be covered by forest, to encourage sequestation of carbon. There would be a reduction in emissions from agriculture. Planting rates of new trees would increase to 10,000 to 15,000 hectares per year by 2015. Anaerobic digestion would be developed to deal with agricultural waste.

VERDICT

Current targets for planting new forest have not been met in recent years, meaning it could be extremely difficult to increase forest planting to up to 15,000 hectares a year. A recent plan by the SNP to lease off areas of the forest estate to pay for new planting met with huge opposition and were shelved. It could also be extremely difficult to reduce emissions in the agricultural sector. It will require a widespread change of farming practices.

WASTE

PLAN

By 2050 there would be almost zero emissions from landfill. By 2025 no more than 5 per cent of municipal waste would go to landfill. Measures would be taken to increase recycling and there could be a ban on biodegradable waste going to landfill. Instead there would be an increase in the use of anaerobic digestion to deal with biodegradable waste – an emissions-free technique.

VERDICT

It is very ambitious to aim for zero emissions from landfill waste by 2050. Currently the majority of waste is still sent to landfill, and a new waste infrastructure will be needed. It will also require a change in habits from the public, so that more rubbish is reused or recycled.





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  • Last Updated: 17 June 2009 9:44 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Climate change
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

18/06/2009 00:28:07
The minister, Mr Stevenson, describes it as an "action plan" but it does not spell out exactly how the objectives will be achieved, nor give details as to how much the measures are likely to cost.

Absolute bollix, the lot of it. It fails to do anything to stop us all dying horribly because the planet is going to be all shrivelled up by the sun and global warning, and it doesn't assuage the weedy vegetarians because they kbow it's bollix.

The only purpose for this is to try and con green-minded voters that the politicians behind it are "on their side" but they aren't really.
2

Brianwci,

18/06/2009 01:35:08
OIL AND GAS: £20BILLION SHORTFALL

Marvellous what you can do with numbers. Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc can be transformed from desert economies (i.e. have to build a modern civilisation from scratch....goats the main resource)but Scotland, above all other countries in the world discovers Oil and gas and yet somehow or other would not have enough to live on for most of the years Oil has been flowing!

Many words spring to mind, none of them printable.

The sooner the Independence debate gets going so we can nail this sh*te into the ground the better. This is absolutely lunacy.

No, worse, it's downright LIES!!!

I comment here because we are not allowed to challenge this 'filth' in the original article.



3

nabodican,

Newton Stewart 18/06/2009 01:47:01
These idiots are hell bent on destroying the Scottish economy and landscape for something they can do diddly squat about - the climate.
Clearly they have taken Al Gores spin hook, line and sinker.
God save us from incompetent politicians.
4

ScottishIndependence,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 02:43:36
<<<< Why Scotland Does Not Need Nuclear Energy >>>>

http://www.oilofscotland.org/scotlands_future.html#stream_turbines

Scotland has the potential to create green energy from the 600 suitable streams that it has. A generator in a single high fall stream could generate 900 kw at day which is enough to provide electricity for 500 homes.

If all the streams in Scotland were converted that would be enough power for 300,000 homes a day, which is about 54% of Scotland's electricy requirements.

The small cost of these projects could be bourne by the either the Scottish Government or the farmers who own the land. With green energy grants now at 10p a Kw that would equate to £90 a day, £32,850 a year for a project generating 900 Kw of electricity. Which could be healthy boost to Scotland's farming communities and Scotland's hydro turbine and construction industries. Based on a setup cost of £106,000 stream hydro project, two day's of Scottish oil and gas reveues at £32 Million a day could pay for all 600 projects.

Scotland on a larger scale has the potential to supply Europe with a fifth of it's energy needs.

But liable Labour want to rebuild Scotland's nuclear plants when the World's supply of uranium is unlikely to last 30 years.
5

ScottishIndependence,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 02:45:29
OIL AND GAS: £20BILLION SHORTFALL

Visit www.oilofscotland.org for the truth not fabricated unionist lies.
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 03:03:59

One Calls it Evolution,....'to-evolve'!!

Lets face It!, who wants to be a 'Cave-Person', when we have the technology's, to make our World a better place to live in?.
7

donald,

glasgow 18/06/2009 06:15:08
Free public transport would be cheaper and also clear a lot of traffic off the raods.

Glasgow still has a network of disused underground railway tunnels that could be linked to the Subway by trains, like the ones we subsidised in London. Instead, the Cooncil is allowing the Underground Station in Botanic Gardens to be sold as restaurant and Maryhill Tescos to use its old former station as an underground car park. The station was first given to the English COOP by the Labour Cooncil after the COOP took over the mighty SCWS empire.
8

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 08:00:41
A pile of pure green pi*sh as we have come to expect from these loonies. Has Stevenson not read the Spanish report which showed that for every one 'green' job created another two conventional ones are lost? Or that each job is subsidised to the tune of over £30,000?

No modern economy can survive relying on intermittant sources of power, so effectively much of industry will vote with its feet and go elsewhere. Still I suppose tourism might increase as people the world over will want to see how just how a basket case economy functions, or not.
9

Mad Jock,

East Lothian 18/06/2009 09:28:47
Plant trees, yes, that'll do the job. Turn Scotland into the Amazon Rain Forest. Do they really think that they can defy nature? The Scottish climate can't support the kind of trees required. To be effective, the trees need to be broad leaf. They take decades to grow to maturity, so 2050 is a bit ambitious. They also lose their leaves in winter, a time in Scotland when CO2 emissions are at their peak. It's a bit of a non-starter, isn't it?
10

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 18/06/2009 09:37:02
That'll be fine then - we all get to have the climate calming down (which it won't if you believe the rhetoric as the CO2 "problem" is global (did Brown say that - he probably would). So we'll be back to living in derelict buildings, using animals for transport (unless they;ve been culled to avoid methane emissions) and starving to death. Make no mistake the eco-loonies are dangerously stupid, along with the SNP for believing such targets are achievable without drastically altering both the physical an economic landscape.

They seek unelected power by trotting the same tired old cliches fed to them by the likes of Gore who pays no attention to his own carbon footprint. But that's yer socialists for ye!
11

mr broon,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 09:55:52
By 2050, all these petrol-head pessimists in government and commerce will be pushing up daisies and today's young will be driving electric cars without cluttering up the road network because tens of thousands will either be be working from home or places of work connected by digital video conferencing, and using speed-of-light broadband systems.

Some energy will be obtained from nuclear and hydrocarbon sources of power but also with a greater emphasis on a vast range of rewnewables.

The land will produce even greater yields and more with more non-native fruits and vegetables be home produced, offset by more and more projects like the Central Scotland Forest Trust.

Waste will be almost non-existent once nanotechnology is fully understood.

It has less and less to do with today's middle aged and elderly, and come the time, the young cannot
make a worse job of their future than today's failures who have made wars and recessions second
nature!
12

Shave,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 10:38:18
#9 Unimpressed one

Do you mean the discredited and debunked Spanish report into green jobs that was partly funded by the oil industry?
13

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 18/06/2009 10:42:45
#10 Mad jock claims, "The Scottish climate can't support the kind of trees required. To be effective, the trees need to be broad leaf."

Really? Why?

All trees store carbon by absorbing CO2 via photosynthesis. Besides, broadleaved trees grow perfectly well in Scotland.
14

El Franko,

18/06/2009 10:51:19
Reality will destroy this plan even if our politicians fail to do so. We cannot afford such indulgence of whims. The Californians thought they could, and their state is all but bankrupt. We are starting to move in the same direction, and for the same fatuous reasons. A little 'knowledge' is truly dangerous. The little here is the idea of the greenhouse effect. I suspect few who spout it realise that it does not describe or explain how actual greenhouses work, and that the effect on climate is a relatively modest one, corrected by negative feedbacks and swamped overall by other factors such as orbital variation, solar variation, and the complexities of ice-ocean-land & vegetation interactions.

I do believe, however, that the lies of the IPCC are becoming more widely exposed for what they are, and that there is still hope that a craven media will turn a more critical eye on the ravings of the greenies and their ideologically-driven masters on the left. If that happens, we might see a softening of the impending social and economic havoc due to misplaced and ill-informed concerns over climate.
15

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 11:16:17
Aha ! At last we have something that Scotland can be proud of, and all the moronic fossil fuel dinosaurs can do is moan.

I am sooo pleased that the SG has embraced Green policies, even if rather half heartedly.

I don't think the targets go far enough, to be honest.
I think we should immediate steps to eliminate the role of motorised personal transport by banning the use of private motorised vehicles NOW.
Can you imagine how pleasant Edinburgh would be to live in if the evils of the private car were cleared off our streets.

We could breath sweet fresh air,hear the birds once more. People would flock here just to experience it.

I think that the SG should back 100% the aims of the cycling lobby, only cycling is the sane answer to personal transport in the 21st century.

My idea of heaven would be a tram system and only cycles on the streets of Edinburgh, the gentle sound of cyles and pedestrians making their busy way among streets freed from the cloying stench of motorised vehicles, a healthier populous, physically, mentally & spiritually, I can't wait for this vision to become a reality, the sooner the better.

BAN THE CAR
16

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 18/06/2009 11:22:52
Has anyone thought to ask the EU to look into the matter of us being allowed to control the world's climate in this way? I find the idea of one small independent country in control very worrying.
17

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 11:25:46
Another load of bile from the idiots who just want to tax and control us.

60mph motorway limit??? Huh! don't make me laugh. do they really, honestly think that people are going to go along with that ridiculous idea?

This article has all the hallmarks of a post by "roadstohell" or "Gorgie_Tony" and we all know how credible they are.
18

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 11:40:36
Ha typical !!!!

"bile , idiots" etc etc

Just because you know you have lost the argument, you don't have to resort to insults & invective.

Wake up !!!

I know that change is difficult for some, but change there must be, and change the will be, it is inevitable.

How long do you think you just carry on pumping C02 into the air and ruining our planet, blind stupidity
19

Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 12:10:30
Unbelievable - this tidal wave of no-science greenwash grows and grows. The credulous and stupid are being led by the insane and deluded. It's not real, people - it's an agenda. Carbon b*llocks.

I just had the head skimmed, ports profiled and the jets and exhaust matched on my bike. It's putting out serious horses (dynoed for accuracy) and I can't wait for the weekend to get out and burn twenty quids' worth of fuel on Scotland's beautiful highland roads and mountain passes.

I am not alone. I hope that the sandal-eating lentil wearers out there are spitting quorn into their herbal teas. Really, I feel I have to speak up. When I'm not flying of a weekend (Cessna 172), I'm fishing for wild brown trout in some of Scotland's most inaccessible and beautiful places. To get to those places I use my 4x4, travelling forestry trails and cattle tracks to get within walking distance.

Under the current, and future projected government/civil service lunacy - would all four of my favourite pursuits be banned/stigmatised (lol) or taxed out of existence? (they wish) and would I be encouraged to take up knitting, organic worry-bead manufacture and angsty self-hate poetry?

Good grief, China pumps out noxious industrial by-products, daily, on a scale unimaginable by the average bloke, and ignored by the average hemp-laden leftie. The US industrial monster's poison excreta dwarfs anything our crappy little island can squeeze out with it's reddened wee face a-straining.

My point is this: fek off with yer carbon crapola - unless and until China, India and the US are round the table - I will not change my lifestyle and expectations one iota. Sue me! lol
20

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 12:54:29
#13, The greens love to shoot the messenger. Everything report they disagree with is "flawed" or paid for by the oil industry, except when it supports their bammy agenda. Of course had it been yet another pile of verbal diahorea supporting 'climate chaos', it would have been trotted out as more 'proof'.
21

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 12:56:47
#19, Where is this ruin you refer to? I would suggest that computer doom scenarios are no substitute for world reality, except in the brain-damaged heads of eco-bams.
22

mr broon,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 12:58:01
20# Don't be such a selfish individual, and leave some of the world's resources for the next generation, including your own!

By the way, Great Selfish One, you're not alone in fishing for wild brown trout in the Highlands and Islands, and remore places, except the majority of us drive to our destinations, park the car, and then travelling light, leisurely hike into the hills and enjoy the burn and loch fishing in beautiful surroundings. Some of us even camp overnight and enjoy a Sutherland or Wester Ross sunrise.

Certainly, if you have ever fished in inland Canada
you can forget reaching the wild fishing by gas guzzler, and hop on your Cessna to reach your camp or lodge which is entirely reasonable in the circumstances, considering the vast distances to be covered. Remember, everything is proportionate.

23

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 13:06:52
#20, you may think you are very clever and indeed perhaps even funny, but your not.

You sit & smugly show off your wealth and utter ignorance and expect people to be impressed.

You and other like you are the reason our world has been poisoned and despoiled.

How many forms of motorised transport does one person need ? answer NONE !
As for the motorcycle, well I am aghast you even admit to that !!!! It is the epitome of all that is evil and dangerous about motorised transport, For goodness sake, dangerous smelly motorcycles infest out rural roads every weekend with their moronic riders, terrorising everyone and ruining the peace of the countryside with their fumes and terrible noise. Grow up, it's not even a seriuous form of transport for goodness sake, it is merely a toy, I think that motorcyles should be immediately banned on social,green & safty reasons. Why should this stupid minority be allowed to dictate to normal sensible people, making many rural roads a no go area for cyclists. All so silly boys can play with their silly toys, and the cost to the NHS must be enormous when they hurt themselves and others.

It is attitudes like yours that have put ALL of us in such a serious predicament.

I am saddened and also amazed how people can be sooo stupid and lemming like, in the face of evidence, and the option to embrace sound alternatives.

Simply astounding that as a species we have such an ability for blind stupidity and "head in the sand" attitudes.
24

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 13:12:32
I can't help but get angry, and I really don't want to as it's like getting angry with children it never helps,that such cretinous attitudes are damaging everyone, I do my bit, BUT I will suffer (and our children too), for the actions of the greedy, fat,lazy & stupid. I am astounded, simply astounded at how people can "see writing on the wall", but ignore it.
In that case, there is NOOOO hope hope, we are a doomed species. I only hope the planet can recover from our brief period of ascendancy and insults to Earth. I am ashamed of you all
25

Shave,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 13:30:10
#21 Unimpressed one

The report was peer reviewed and found to be flawed.

It was part funded by the oil industry.

Do you get all your information from Fox News?
26

El Franko,

18/06/2009 13:30:30
For a listing of some of the harm done by greenies, see here: http://personals.galaxyinternet.net/tunga/LEM.htm

Truly, neither the humans, nor the rest of life on the planet, can afford much more of the greenies.
27

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 13:31:49
#25, You should get your own column with the Scotsman.
28

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 13:36:02
#27, El Franko, great link. You must be in the pay of 'big oil'. Lol.
29

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 13:36:48
#24, Are you a fully paid up party member or just barking mad?
30

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 13:38:25
#26, Anti-green truth so it must be rubbished. Typical beardie attitude.
31

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 13:41:48
#16, "My idea of heaven would be a tram system and only cycles on the streets of Edinburgh, the gentle sound of cyles and pedestrians making their busy way among streets freed from the cloying stench of motorised vehicles, a healthier populous, physically, mentally & spiritually, I can't wait for this vision to become a reality, the sooner the better."

Get yourself sectioned and ask for a padded room, heaven will not be far away.
32

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 18/06/2009 13:45:22
At today's global consumption rates there's only 30 years oil supply left, and that's the hard to reach and expensive to extract dregs we're talking about, the cheap and easy stuff being in serious decline now.

I doubt whether these green targets will be hard to achieve now that we're passing peak oil and about to see sustained reductions in supply year on year. Those who think we'll be living the same way in 30 years time are delusional.
33

Alan B,

18/06/2009 13:46:29
the biggest block to moving to electric cars is the government who fleece us for 50billion in tax.

it makes sense not just for environmental reasons but for our (the west) oil dependency on dodgy regimes to move away from petrol cars.
34

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 13:47:20
oh how you mock now !!!!!

But we shall see who laughs on the last side of their faces, shant we ?

You're are simply a bunch of mockers.

Why don't you try to engage in intelligent debate ?

I think the onus of proof is on you motoring morons, to show us how you improve our planet, if you can ?

MMMhh thought not !

35

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 13:48:42
#33 exactly, BUT try getting this across to these petrol headed motoring mormons !!!!!!!!!!
36

El Franko,

18/06/2009 13:49:06
#29, glad you liked it, U o. That should get me a more thousand dollars!

Here's another good link: http://climatedepot.com/

Good stuff there on the recent Obama report - his contribution to the coordinated scaremongering we are in the midst of ahead of the December conference in Copenhagen. His report has been torn to shreds already!
37

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 14:00:58
Propaganda & lies
38

GONNYNODEATHAT,

GLASGOW 18/06/2009 14:39:57

The TRUTH is that it wont make any difference at ALL to climate change. Even if the whole world had 0% Emissions it still wont have any effect on climate change until AMERICA, INDIA and CHINA stop polluting the Whole World.
39

Geomac 1,

Scotland 18/06/2009 14:49:42
Unadulterated piffle and drivel! A list of wishful thoughts coupled with an expectation that none of the report authors will be around in 2050.
No mention of how each element of the plan is to be achieved and no mention of intermediate milestones.
Not a word about the cost of achieving each element.
Not a mention of the potential benefit to Scotland - never mind to the world.
The egomania of our politicians seems to know no bounds - they seem to believe that they can control the world's climate - I despair.
have they not read the report about woolly mammoths dying out 21,000 years ago - because of rising temperatures killing off their main sorce of food - namely grass!! Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that there were many coal fired power stations, cars and other vehicle, human waste, etc around 21,000 years ago? How did the earth heat up then I wonder???
40

Geomac 1,

Scotland 18/06/2009 14:55:29
I just can't wait till the Climate Change conference in Copenhagen in December. All the zillions of the worlds ecomaniacs assembling in little Denmark - each hell bent on telling us how we should lead our lives. Then at the end, the so called world leaders will jet in and bask in the reflected glory and announce their plans to save the world - despite their total inability to do so!!
Then it will be back to normal - hounding us all left, right and centre.
before I get chastised, let me state that I am all for sustainability, looking after the environment etc BUT not at any cost and not through regular diets of baseless fear stories and drivel.
41

Geomac 1,

Kinross 18/06/2009 15:15:43
The more I read this article, the more incensed I get with irresponsible eco organisations and the rubbish they spout.
o Stop Climate Chaos demands a reduction of 42% by 2020 rather than the 34%. On what basis? At what cost and for what benefit?
o WWF demands a reduction of 40% by 2020 - again, on what basis and what cost and befnefit?
42

roadstohell,

18/06/2009 15:40:56
#42 On the basis it makes sense !

Blind, stupid ? or both ?
43

Geomac 1,

Scotland 18/06/2009 15:51:24
#43 "on the basis that it make sense"???? Sense to whom? It makes no sense to me but you've already resorted to name calling as your defence of the perfectly legitimate question that I ask.
if that is the extent of your argument, this will be treated with the contempt it deserves.
44

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 16:22:39
Roads to Hell:

Keep it up mate! Great stuff!

You ought to appear on Britains got Talent as the modern version of Ben Elton. You'd probably win! And I don't suppose you'd wimp out of doing the tour afterwards.

You do know of course that the kind of stuff you are writing now was satirised on Yes Minister some years ago.
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Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 18/06/2009 16:41:19
Geomac 1

You have been commenting on global warming issues for - I guess - well over a couple of years now, yet you ask with respect to the demise of the mammoths, "How did the earth heat up then I wonder???"

If you had paid any attention to what has been explained dozens of times during that period you would not need to ask such a question and wouldn't make asinine comments like "but I don't think that there were many coal fired power stations, cars and other vehicle, human waste, etc around 21,000 years ago?"

You have at your disposal a huge resource to enable you to answer such questions yourself - Googling "ice ages Wiki" should provide you with plenty of information, for example. The broad causes of glaciations and interglacials, such as the one we are presently in, are well understood and not controversial.

Yet the impression that you and the others who are determined to deny human impacts on climate give is that, above all, you are determined to remain ignorant. Thus you can remain secure in your blinkered belief that we can continue the profligate use the Earth's resources without thought for the consequences.
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Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 17:22:11
Roads to Hell - I haven't lol'd that much in ages, spittle-flecked mania, I love it!

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS HUMAN INDUCED GLOBAL WARMING! CATTLE FARTS HAVE NOWT TO DO WITH IT EITHER, YOU CREDULOUS MONKEYS!

Sry 'bout the all-caps, had to be said.

Sue me!
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 18/06/2009 17:27:03
#46 Slioch
Thank you! My education is complete!!
One question? Why is it that I regularly meet people on this blog who, when I happen to disagree nwith them, resort to name calling?? (blind, stupid, ignorant, blinkered, asinine etc)
I too am totally in favour of using the earth's resources sparingly and recognise that fossil fules have a finite life but I simply cannot accept the theory of anthropogenic global warming!! Nor do I bow to the use of FEAR as a weapon by those who do accept this theory!
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El Franko,

18/06/2009 17:57:46
#48, don't forget that Slioch thinks he is saving the world. If you thought that, you'd be impatient too with anyone who challenged you. I mean, what kind of person doesn't want to save the world?
49

Geomac 1,

Scotland 18/06/2009 18:50:17
#49 - thanks for background re Slioch - do you mean that he considers himself as a sort of Jesus C or an Alex S.?
50

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 18/06/2009 19:03:37
A sort of Alex Salmond? Jesus Christ! No thanks!
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roadstohell,

18/06/2009 19:04:33
spittle flecked mania, spittle flecked mania, spittle flecked mania, well,I , for goodness, I mean, !!!!!! I, I I I , how very dare you, spittle flecked mania indeed I am, Iam almost speechles with barely supressed incandescant rage...........I'm going out for a jolly good stiff cycle...........
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18/06/2009 19:04:56
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roadstohell,

18/06/2009 19:05:56
and i'm going to kick the wing mirrors off as many cars & motorcycles as I can, morons
54

danbob,

18/06/2009 20:39:21
Slioch# Has it ever occured to you that anybody can publish misleading or just down right lies on the internet. Please stop using wikipedia as a source. Every argument you put forward melts when you quote that. Wikipedia is just full of inacuracies.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 21:12:19
It's time this green propaganda came to an end. The Global Warming con is coming to an end. Junk science is about to be binned.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 21:15:41
42 Geo

The answer to your question is:

There will be no benefit. As we both know, this AGW nonsense is politically driven and has no grounding in true science.
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Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 18/06/2009 21:17:24
#55 danbob

I was merely suggesting that if anyone wanted a an introduction into the reasons for glacial and interglacial transitions then that particular article would be useful. As the Wiki article correctly states, "the match of glacial/interglacial frequencies to the Milankovic orbital forcing periods is so close that orbital forcing is generally accepted" as the initiating cause of such transitions. That was what geomac 1 was querying.

If we had been involved in a discussion about controversial details then your objection would have a point. But I was responding to geomac 1's statement that "I don't think that there were many coal fired power stations, cars and other vehicle, human waste, etc around 21,000 years ago?" I really don't think that required anything but the most elementary of responses.
58

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 21:26:19
58 slioch

So what exactly is your point?
59

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 18/06/2009 21:37:27
#59

That the reasons for glacial/interglacial transitions are reasonably well understood. They (obviously) did not involve human causes.

The reasons for recent climate changes are even better understood. They indubitably do involve human causes.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 21:42:39
60 slioch

And the evidence for the latter point is?
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Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 18/06/2009 21:55:45
#61

That basic physics tells us that increases in anthropogenic greenhouse gases should increase the amount of heat retained by the Earth's atmosphere. Such increases in heat retention lead to temperature increases. Such temperature increases have been observed. It is difficult, if not impossible, to explain such observations by any other means.

That is very brief, but it is all I have time for at present.
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roadstohell,

18/06/2009 23:18:25
BAN the CAR NOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNZSe8Q8-Iw&feature=player_embedded

Time for radical action NOW, reclaim the streets
63

Unimpressed one,

19/06/2009 20:26:02
#52, Roadstohell,

"I'm going out for a jolly good stiff cycle..........."

We all know what kind of stiffy you will be getting hold of and it doesn't involve cycling.

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Unimpressed one,

19/06/2009 20:28:37
#60, Slioch

"That the reasons for glacial/interglacial transitions are reasonably well understood. They (obviously) did not involve human causes."

Well, what are these 'well understood' reasons, pray tell?

 

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