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Mashimaro,

China 02/08/2008 01:46:41
What a joke! Heaven forbid anyone in the west write a single positive thing about China. And they say the western media is free. Ha ha ha ha. Corporate lackeys.

Oh, by the way... Beijing, blue skies.
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2dogs in D.C.,

02/08/2008 01:52:13
#1-Mashimaro, Sir (or Madam, as the case may be),I doubt that anyone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read, let alone post, on western media sites. If you find it offensive, move on. If not, you will just have to accept it. Have a great day.
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Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 02/08/2008 02:36:56
#1: I'm sure there were blue skies in Berlin in 1936.
Positive thing about China: the USSR didn't last forever, either.
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Puling Prince Roman,

China 02/08/2008 03:00:39
COHRE are a bunch of liars. In their junk statistics EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has been rehoused in Beijing since the year 2000 is classified as having been "forcibly evicted from their homes because of The Olympics". They also claim that "(up to) one third of all evictees (in some areas)(may) have suffered economic loss as a result of their removal". Naturally, by the time this sort of stuff makes it into the international press all the caveats have disappeared - the 'up to', 'in some areas', and 'may' - leaving "one third of all evictees have suffered economic loss as a result of their removal".

I wrote to COHRE three months ago asking for details of the statistical samples on which their claims are based - a reasonable enough request, and not one that should have been too difficult to fulfill. They were going to get back to me... I'm still waiting guys.

Incidentally, this 'report' they have just released looks like a rehash of exactly the one they released last year. But right on the Olympic button it's timed to get maximum publicity for them, and win them a few more millions in grants from sympathetic governments and NGOs. All well and good - helps to pay their fat salaries, I suppose, as they sit in their plush offices in the centre of one of the most expensive cities in the world 'advocating' on behalf of the unfortunate poor. Good career, 'advocating' - saves you having to do anything useful or complicated, like providing homes for poor people in third world countries...
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Guga II,

Rockall 02/08/2008 03:13:49
#1 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

Your gangster government just can't resist censorship, including on the Internet. The fact that you are allowed to post on a Western site, with apparent impunity, highlights the fact that you are an employee of the gangster government and a political cadre.

How can you continue to deny any censorship of the Internet when you gangster government has a policy entitled: The Golden Shield Project, a.k.a. The Great Firewall of China. It is, of course to control, monitor and censor all Internet traffic originating in China. See:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/chinese-netizens-rail-against-great-firewall/2008/08/01/1217097503184.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2

Incidentally, you can find a list of sites blocked by the Chinese gangster government at:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/China-highlights.html

There is even an official list of words censored by the gangster government. This can be found at:

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2004/08/the-words-you-never-see-in-chinese-cyberspace/

So tell me again that your gangster government does not totally control Internet access; and tell me how you do not appear to be censored.

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2dogs in D.C.,

02/08/2008 03:28:39
#4-Puling Prince, You and Mushimaro should have a lot to debate. I will await and read as this unfolds. Watch out,because mushy has a friend called Postmark, and they will tag team you. Good luck.
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2dogs in D.C.,

02/08/2008 03:32:28
Re:#6-Joke, mind you.
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2dogs in D.C.,

02/08/2008 03:36:44
Oh, and by the way, why is your govt. closing bars to people "of color"? (Read Black.)
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Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 02/08/2008 05:14:33
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Careful! Mushy may bang his shoe on your podium and threaten to bury you.
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postmarkfiftyfive,

China, 02/08/2008 06:03:53
#4 Puling Prince Roman,
Looks like you got your sh!t together, that's refreshing to see. You can see how these agencies milk the public for funding, much like Amnesty International does. COHRE at each of its sites has a donation box via paypal, need I say more?
Did some people get displaced, yes they did. They were also offered compensation, but as is the case with the human species, greed dictated that they ask for more, and thus missed the boat. This scenario plays out all over the world everyday, but the Olympics are a great vehicle to hijack and highlight these things, and call it human rights abuse.
Well it's too late to pull the plug on the Olympics now, so let's just sit back and and enjoy them.
Am I a fan, no, by no means, but since the money has been spent, it's useless crying over spilt milk.
Let's hope for a very successful and uneventful games, Go Beijing.
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postmarkfiftyfive,

China, 02/08/2008 06:18:15
#5 Guga II,
Hey buddy, talking about censorship.
If you look closely, my ID is slightly different than before, and that's because the Scotsman had me banned yet again for commenting. Now you know that I came onboard with postmark 54, and since have had four variations of postmark55, all because my comments get deleted and eventually banned. When it first happened, it p!ssed me off, but it has become routine, and I shrug it off now. The point is however that your western press censors me, and I keep my language clean and I don't display any racism. So why am I being banned? I don't display any of the criteria that calls for deletions or an outright ban, but it happens time and time again. So Guga ll old pal, please don't talk about China's censorship habits, they pale with the western ones. No hard feelings to you buddy, I know you have nothing to do with it, I'm just pointing out a fact to you, since you brought up censorship in China.

PS. Dragonhead, Bugsy, Dragon's 'tale' and Linus all were banned, and Dragonhead is the only one that came back from those four, but I won't reveal under what 'handle' he is now posting, you'll have to figure that one out for yourself.
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Puling Prince Roman,

China 02/08/2008 06:24:48
You said it postmarkfiftyfive.

The new millionaires' club = The 'Caring' Industry.

And boy, is that one dog-eat-dog industry. You have to fight tooth and claw with all the other 'carers' for every penny of your revenues.

"One and a half million people rehoused in Beijing in last eight years" = yawnfest = international media interest: zero = revenue generating potential: nil

"ONE AND A HALF MILLION IN FORCED EVICTIONS FOR OLYMPICS!" = Gold Mine! = International media interest; stratospheric! = Revenue generating potential: millions!

Ker-Ching! These COHRE guys certainly have their act together.

On the Olympics, I agree with you. But I queued up for tickets last week for my wife and son for the volleyball. We don't even have any idea who's playing, but they're chuffed to the guttie to be going to the Olympics.
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postmarkfiftyfive,

China, 02/08/2008 06:30:31
#3 Tom in Belmont,
God forbid they release you from there, you're a danger to yourself and all within reach of you.
As far as the USSR goes, they're alive and well, just changed their name. China has been around 5000+ years, and we too will survive, in one form or another, under different names.
Now the USA on the other hand, is about to see the wheels come off completely, and deservingly so. First Madman Bush, and you're now seriously considering giving McCain a try at it. Do that and bye bye America as the world knows it now, and you finally will get your just rewards.
Quit waging your wars all over the world in the name of your screwed up version of Democracy, we don't want any part of it, and will bring you to your knees PDQ.
So Tommy, you nutjob, go comment on something you're familiar with, oh wait a minute, that will leave you with nothing to say.
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postmarkfiftyfive,

China, 02/08/2008 06:44:22
#13 Puling Prince Roman,
I'm happy you survived the lineup in your bid to get the tickets, by all accounts it was a zoo, to say the least.
I hope your wife and son enjoy the volleyball game you risked your life for, noble of you indeed. It is also a once in a lifetime event, so I don't condemn you one bit for buying the tickets. These will be China's first AND last games, and I couldn't be happier for you in that you succeeded securing a couple of tickets. I'm also happy that we will never have to endure this again, for the west has done everything to use these games to give us yet another black eye, along with the one the one the Dalai Lama tried to give us.
Thanks for coming on board here to fight side by side along with Mashimaro and myself, the help is greatly appreciated.
May your family be safe in enjoying the games.
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Puling Prince Roman,

China 02/08/2008 07:08:16
#14 No worries. I came in with a late blindside run and only had to queue two hours. But I know people who queued for more than 24, and have read reports of others queueing for two days.

All the people I waited with were happy and excited. They have no idea of the torrent of bile that's going to pour down of them from the Western Media once the Games get under way.

But my artillery is primed, my machine gun barrels are polished, and I've plenty of ammo... Bring it on!
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 07:29:45
#16 Puling Prince Roman,
Sorry for the delay, I had to change ID's again, look for the slight change in my 'handle'.
I got banned again, second time today, really don't know why.
It's sure to see you come onboard with the fighting spirit though, we can now triple tag team them, they won't know what hit them.
It's amazing you got your tickets in just a couple of hours, shows your fighting spirit.
As far as ammo goes, my supply is unlimited, as are my names so that I can keep posting here to defend our great country.
Hold your head up high and proud brother, this country of ours is worth it.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 08:23:36
#2, Hey there 2dogs in D.C.,
Nothing personal against you, I've read many of your posts, and you appear fairly level headed most of the time, same can't be said for your Administration. Mashimaro is an individual I hold in high regards, he's a man of honour, well educated, and you can see that his English skills are superb as well. I don't agree with everything he says, but I do agree with a full 99% of his comments, he's got things figured out, in short, his head's on straight. He, like me, comes to the defence of our country called China, and that is an honourable thing to do. He isn't blind to some of the injustices carried out here, and will freely tell you so. He knows China better than anybody else on this forum, I respect him for that, and I learn from what input he brings to the table.
Anyways double dog, a good day to you as well.
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MacGillicuddy,

02/08/2008 08:28:28
Postmark........

You really have a nerve to complain about the western press censoring YOU.
I am sure Guga, others and I would welcome the opportunity to be able to make a comment in any of the media outlets in China. Can you arrange that?

We are celebrating the Olympics by flying the Tibetan flag and ignoring the propaganda stunts of the gangsters and thugs at the opening and, if they last that long, the closing ceremonies.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 02/08/2008 08:30:45
"BIG OLYMPIC SPEND, BUT LITTLE DEBATE
With total spending expected to exceed $40bn (£20bn), Beijing's Olympic Games may be the most expensive in history.
China has spent the money on new stadiums, infrastructure projects and cleaning up the capital's polluted environment.
In other host cities, this high cost would have led to heated public debate, but in China there has been little controversy.
In a country where information is not always accessible, many people seem not to know how much is being spent".
"Beijing resident Wang Na does not know what the Olympic bill will be.
And the 26-year-old added: "It's worth it because this is an opportunity for the world to understand China and for us to entertain them."".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7523235.stm

It is an opportunity for the World to understand China and for us to entertain them.......it might be "entertaining" right enough.


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Douglas,

Bathgate 02/08/2008 08:31:03
"PS. Dragonhead, Bugsy, Dragon's 'tale' and Linus all were banned, and Dragonhead is the only one that came back from those four, but I won't reveal under what 'handle' he is now posting, you'll have to figure that one out for yourself."

It hardly matters does it? You could one or all of the three stooges.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 08:38:42
#19 MacGillicuddy,
If you can't comment on what's happening in China, in our newspapers, I'm sorry, but that's out of my hands. Can I arrange for you and Guga ll and others to have that opportunity, no , I can't.
But can you honestly see a reason for the Scotsman banning me from commenting in their comments section?
If you people over there don't agree with my opinions, that's fine, Im' a big boy and can handle personal insults, I can also dish them out. It's a two way street. But banning me from commenting is the worst form of censorship, and you know it. Everytime one of you over there insults us, I'll come out swinging, and if I get banned, I don't care. I can play their game, and I've learned to duck under the punches of the Scotsman, and I'll be back time and again.
If the Scotsman doesn't want to hear what I have to say, they should not have a comments section for us here in China, but they do, and I'll use it. It's as plain and simple as that.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 08:44:19
#20 James Donald,
You really need to get a life. Take a look at your country's problems, take it up with your corrupted government, and get out of Iraq. When you're done cleaning up your backyard, come and give us a hand with ours. In the meantime, find something constructive to do with your spare time, you seem to have plenty of it.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 02/08/2008 08:49:07
#23 postmarkfiftiefive,Red China - "find something constructive to do with your spare time, you seem to have plenty of it" - this from the guy who has already made at least 10 posts on this thread already. When the story is about Iraq, that is what I will comment about. I have a life and I don't live it in a Red cesspit.
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Puling Prince Roman,

China 02/08/2008 09:00:03
#19
"You really have a nerve to complain about the western press censoring YOU. I am sure Guga, others and I would welcome the opportunity to be able to make a comment in any of the media outlets in China. Can you arrange that?"

Consider it done, MacGillicudy. All you and Guga have to do is go to www.china.org.cn. It's one of the biggest web-based news and information providers in China, and it has an extensive section in English. You can post on all news or features articles (unlike the UK media), and you don't have to pre-register to post, so the site doesn't get your email address (unlike the UK media). Happy posting!

Oh and see that great big Tibetan flag you're going to be waving - why not put a big banner under it saying: "Return the Tibetans to the feudal theocracy! Give them back the serfdom that they so deeply desire!"
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Guga II,

Rockall 02/08/2008 09:15:39
#12 Skidmark.

I am well aware that the Hootsmon has banned you on a number of occasions, but they have also banned me before now. I know that they have removed some of your comments, but they have removed plenty of mine.

However, if you read all the assorted comments in the Hootsmon, you will have seen that I am continually criticising the Hootsmon for letting its Pravda Branch and Xinhua Branch censors get out of control. I suggested yesterday that they follow your gangster government and publish a list of forbidden topics and forbidden words. That way we would be able to gauge the extent of their censorship. However, my suggestion was also removed by their Pravda Branch and Xinhua Branch censors.

The main problem with the Hootsmon is that it is foreign owned, foreign controlled, and staffed mainly by foreigners.
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Mashimaro,

02/08/2008 09:39:04
#19 I arranged that for them. They all complained cos it was in Chinese... doh!
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Mashimaro,

China 02/08/2008 09:40:27
#20 Jimmy Dee - thanks for admitting that China has improved - have you ever thought that China's metoric and unprecedented rise has been because no debate happens?
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Mashimaro,

China 02/08/2008 09:46:31
#16 Welcome... the shots against China are so cheap they're laughable. People on this board firmly believe that there a millions of poor folks wandering around Beijing all homeless and starving because of the Olympics.
CNN is doing exactly the same thing. I don't know if you ever watch it, but you can see the little capitalist puppets playing for their masters, showing the Chinese people as being "backward" "old" and struggling to speak Engrish.
The biased rubbish they spout is quite sad in view that they hold themselves up as a paragon of a "free press" But being in the media I can tell you exactly how it's going down, Editors are going "Oh god, I have to justify my expenses... dig the dirty boys".
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 02/08/2008 10:12:52
#27

"I am well aware that the Hootsmon has banned you on a number of occasions"

The "Hootsmon" is no better that those it claims is indulging in censorship.

If it's true that Postmark has been banned from commenting here I wish to have no further part in contributing to this site.

Goodbye everyone and I wish that China has a great Olympic Games.

Obviously I will not be missed by some insular and one-eyed posters but they are welcome to stew in their own stupidity.


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Guga II,

Rockall 02/08/2008 10:25:18
#30 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

You really do talk rubbish, and you keep coming up with this garbage to try and take attention away from your employers, the Chinese gangster government.

We are well aware that since the overthrow of the Kuomintang that such things as starvation have been eliminated in China. However, we are also fully aware that the ordinary Chinese people do not live in luxury and opulence as is the case with your Politburo members. Mousey Dung, for example, lived like an Emperor of China, complete with every luxury imaginable, including a steady supply of young girls for his entertainment.

In addition, we do not think of the Chinese people as backward; far from it. However, we do think that the repressive gangster regime is holding back the Chinese people. As I told you the other day, Sun Yat Sen would be spinning in his grave if he knew what people like Mousey Dung and your gangster government had done to his country.

We are also well aware that the Western system is very far from perfect, and, apart from a number of deluded people, we do not try and deny it. So why do you come out with the garbage you do? Your gangster government is as even worse than the terrorists and war criminals Bush and Broon; why deny it? We also don't have a free press, but the censorship of the Hootsmon is fairly mild in comparison with the heavy handed censorship of your gangster government. Again, why deny it?

In any event, the greater majority of us are not criticising the Chinese people, only your gangster government and its paid cadres and propagandists like yourself. Exactly the same way we criticise the London so-called government and their lackeys and running dogs.

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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 11:34:59
#27 Guga II,
I had no idea you that you've been banned, definitely not in the time frame I've been posting here.
What was the reason you were banned? Do you know? I have no idea as to why they banned me, but they have gone as far as having all my posts removed, just like what happened to Dragonhead, it's as if he never existed. And it's as if I never existed. So go figure eh. That does not happen here in China, they will at least let you have your say. The Scotsman won't even let me have that, the only reason I can is because I keep changing my name, and their machine is only a machine, and doesn't catch it. But as soon as they're on to me, they will surely pull the plug on me again. And I will keep showing up like a bad penny, time and time again. So I suggest that you concentrate on cleaning up your country, and I will attempt to do the same with mine, and I do it without voting.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 11:42:46
#31 Let's have the truth,
Hey buddy, thanks for the moral support, but you need to hang in here with us, we need you and value your opinions. The Scotsman would like nothing more than to have you go away, please don't give them the pleasure. They are a rude and unprofessional bunch, and have not had the decency to reply to any of my numerous complaints. Well I've been a fighter all my life, and they can't shake me off that easily. They want to fight, fine with me, but I'll take the gloves off and give them a little more than they bargained for. you have a level head, you look past all the lies, and despite all of the criticism thrown your way, you always state what's in your heart, and I know for a fact that Mashimaro thinks as highly of you as I do, so stick around, and let's continue to shake things up as a team.
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Douglas,

Bathgate 02/08/2008 12:35:31
#24: Hello Dragonhead. Looks like a DNA match on the cyber spittle.:o)
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 12:47:29
Hey there Horrible Cankers, believer in smurfs, or is that smurves? Anyways, I know for a fact that neither I nor Mashimaro ever have any posts deleted, it's not our style, and I can see that 'Let's have the truth' is honourable as well, and would not ever do that either. So you're barking up the tree and pointing your craggy fingers at the wrong people. I do believe you though when you had the gall to complain about me getting the upper hand on you, that happens all the time, for you lack thought process. Sorry to be so harsh and to the point, but it's the truth. There should also be guidelines as to what language is tolerated, eventhough they will automatically disallow certain words. I also have not displayed racism, a blatant infraction of the code of ethics, so on those grounds they can't ban me either. If a mere complaint from someone like you can have me banned for the simple reason that you don't like me, well that shows how unprofessional the Scotsman is. You can sure dish it out Horrible, but you can't take it. You have a lot of personal problems you need to sort out, and if you can't handle it when I outclass you, well maybe you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

Now go and feed the SMURF, we wouldn't want to have to accuse you of Smurf abuse, now would we.
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Mashimaro,

China 02/08/2008 13:41:43
Googoo, I have admitted most of what you say. I have no illusions as to China's short comings. What I object to is the carp being published in the western media. They are lying, and they have been found out to be lying.
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Itchy,

02/08/2008 14:10:05
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#5 Guga II,
Hey buddy, talking about censorship.
If you look closely, my ID is slightly different than before, and that's because the Scotsman had me banned yet again for commenting"

Typical commie dishonesty.

Refusing to differentiate between private property - this forum - and dictatorship.

No wonder the Communist party remains in power with thickos like you about.
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Freedom4everyone,

india 02/08/2008 15:29:16
postmarkfiftiefive!!! you are brainwashed joker.


No wonder clowns like Blair and Brown can pull the wool over your eyes, when your head is obviously filled with concrete and lined with lead.


Atleast guys like you, can comment here without worrying about anything.
Suppose A guy in china wants to comment or write a blog about how he feels about the goverment(It might be negative as well. he'd be burnt alive or shot the next day.

man grow up...There is no freedom in your country.
As some one put it, its ruled by thugs and self interested people.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 15:43:14
#49 Freedom4everyone,
I can do here in China as I please, do it everyday. But what I do is follow and obey the laws, just like any one should do if they had half a brain in their head. I'm a guest in China, since I am Canadian. In Canada, you are expected to uphold and obey the law as well, I'm sure that applies to where you live.
Are you suggesting that China is the only country run by people with self interests, if you are, you must have fallen asleep in the sun.
About freedom in China, I'm afforded much more freedom than I was ever in Canada, and not once has anyone checked me for ID, except for the first night here when I registered at a hotel in Shanghai, and that was strictly for them to protect their interests, and not to hassle me. The cops have never bothered me in the nearly three years I've lived here, so yes, we have freedom here.

Now if you have something to say about the article here, please do so, don't bother me about how you feel about me, I'm not here to please you.
Live up to the name you chose for yourself, don't get on my case about what you think about how I should think. Remember, freedom4everyone.
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Freedom4everyone,

India 02/08/2008 15:59:48
I really pity those brainwashed chinese, being soo insecure, desperately trying to populate US based news sites, with their defending views.

If they are least bothered of what we democratic countries think about them, i guess they wouldnt be here on all these websites, hell bent in defending and making some of these websites their homepage.

I guess its a situation beyond repair.
I really feel sad for people who cannot stand against the wrong and always live in fear.

Stop fedding the crows is the way to go, on this forum.

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02/08/2008 16:01:20
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Ah, a Canadian apologist! Says it all really.
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Freedom4everyone,

India 02/08/2008 16:11:10
"uphold and obey the law as well"

Some just dont get it! Do they?

Who is talking about breaking law. Its the power to question the politician who make the laws, its the power to decide for yourself, its the power to experience and do things the way you want to.

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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 02/08/2008 16:18:25
#55 Freedom4everyone,
Go figure, now I have to explain everything to you. If you want to keep your freedom, play by the rules, obey the law. If you don't want to have freedom, break the law, don't follow the rules. It's all the same to me what you choose to do, I could care less.
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Freedom4everyone,

02/08/2008 16:18:29
postmarkfiftiefive!!!

With your obvious lack of braincells, you deserve to lose your freedom. This is the Scotsman you numbskull, does that sound US based to you?
You have gone one step beyond where Itchy went, your head isn't lined with lead, it is 100% lead.
Now get out of the sun, the lead may melt in the heat.!!!


Now reading all those comments of yours of why they have removed numerous post of yours.
I can easily tell why.

Break wind somewhere else. Will ya??? Ohh im sorry stay on in here on this page, refreshing and being insecure.

What a joke. Im outta here.


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MacGillicuddy,

02/08/2008 18:13:35
China is wasting international goodwill with an Olympic security operation that makes the country look like a police state, according to the artist behind Beijing's spectacular new stadium.

Ai Weiwei, one of China's most influential intellectuals, says the government is using the "terrorist threat" as an excuse to strengthen its power.

"With the use of modern technology, the control is tighter than China ever had before," he told the Guardian. "This is an exercise of state power. People's rights are heavily violated. Is this an Olympics or some kind of warfare?"

Since the completion of the landmark "Bird's Nest" stadium, Ai has distanced himself from the state and the Olympics, refusing to attend the opening ceremony and becoming an increasingly outspoken advocate of political reform.

He feels China is spoiling the atmosphere of the games with an overzealous security operation. According to domestic media, the authorities have mobilised 100,000 police, installed 300,000 surveillance cameras, and sited anti-aircraft missiles next to the stadium. There are three rings of checkpoints on roads into the city, and ID inspections have been stepped up.

"I think it is a shame, it's a loss," said Ai. "The original idea was to invite the international community to China, share the same values, celebrate humanity and goodwill, to speak about peace and social harmony. But today, you see police everywhere; in every neighbourhood there is tight security, not just in Beijing, but everywhere in China. People really live in a police state."

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MacGillicuddy,

02/08/2008 18:30:36
A COLD war mentality has gripped the Beijing Games with revelations Britain's Olympic officials are using throwaway phones to foil Chinese spies.
British Games officials have been told to leave their mobile phones at home and instead use pay-as-you-go handsets that should be thrown away when the Games are over.

Britain's MI6 has told Olympic administrators China has developed the capacity to eavesdrop on their mobile phone conversations while they are here.

Britain's MI6 intelligence agency has provided its Olympic administrators with a secret report into China's spying capabilities.

It has warned them the Chinese will go to extraordinary lengths to obtain information.
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Albert's in the House,

02/08/2008 19:00:45
#36 Horrible Cankers

That's because you are a troll and have a potty mouth.
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Albert's in the House,

02/08/2008 21:11:29
#65 WTF??? Whens the last time you've been sober?
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 03/08/2008 00:04:09
Look at all the red ink, bye, bye,.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 03/08/2008 00:09:03
#59 Horrible,
Actually, the more of you bring it on, the more I like it. Unlike you, I can look after myself.

I also don't believe in smurfs, cute as they may be.
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Dukov Norfolk,

Vladivostok by sea 03/08/2008 02:37:35
#62

"Britain's MI6 has told Olympic administrators China has developed the capacity to eavesdrop on their mobile phone conversations while they are here".

"HERE"? If you are using the English language correctly you are posting from China or MI6 is in China? Do you know something the Chinese government would like to know?

Anyway, what's so new about the technology allowing the tapping of mobile 'phones? The US administration taps the mobile 'phones of everyone on the planet.

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Mashimaro,

China 03/08/2008 02:52:42
#49 You are so full of nonsense. You know nothing about China. People make comments about officials here all the time. And nothing happens to them. In fact because they do some officials have been punished for their misdeeds.
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Mashimaro,

China 03/08/2008 02:54:51
What amazes me about the west is that you all bleat on about "freedom" and then someone here happily goes around banning people, even though what they are saying is not racist or offensive or foul. I find that quite pathetic.
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postmarkfiftiefive,

China, 03/08/2008 03:00:32
Hey Mashimaro,
Take a look at freedom4everyone's post at #51, he is somehow under the impression that the Scotsman is a US based paper, when I pointed it out to him, he hit the road.

"I really pity those brainwashed chinese, being soo insecure, desperately trying to populate US based news sites, with their defending views."

Of course that post of mine was deleted, as well as most of mine.
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Mashimaro,

China 03/08/2008 03:02:56
#55 You might want that in your country. We have a different set of needs. We would rather see things continue on a steady road to improvement than disintegrate into something like Africa. China was the world's first meritocracy and many elements of that system still carry over to today. This is the way we do things, and just because it is not your way does not mean that you should cat paw around in our business.
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Mashimaro,

China 03/08/2008 03:12:38
#61 "Ai Weiwei, one of China's most influential intellectuals, says the government is using the "terrorist threat" as an excuse to strengthen its power."

Right so in other words China should just ignore the terrorist threat and let the islamist blow beijing to pieces. Please, show me a country that does this. Show me a country that does not increase security in the threat of terrorism - er 9/11, 7/7... need I say more? We've had two bomb blasts and one attempt at insurrection in the last few months. What would you like us to do? Sit back and say "Oooh, let's no upset their sense of freedom. Let them exercise their rights"... who do you think we are, British?
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China 03/08/2008 03:22:54
#61 "He feels China is spoiling the atmosphere of the games with an overzealous security operation. According to domestic media, the authorities have mobilised 100,000 police, installed 300,000 surveillance cameras, and sited anti-aircraft missiles next to the stadium. There are three rings of checkpoints on roads into the city, and ID inspections have been stepped up."

I will agree with him about the "fun" part. The Games are seriously lacking a sense of humour. But I think we can look back at terrorism in general and blame that.
As far as security cameras goes - you in Britain are complaining bout us putting up a few cams? Nuuu uuuh! POT, KETTLE, BLACK
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Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa, Canada 03/08/2008 23:30:16
Time to listen to wisdom and actions of the Tibetan Youth Congress and Stand up for Burma and hundreds of millions of virtual peasant Slaves in China-who have become the Global Sweat Shop to the World…

DAY 6 – “NOT ONLY FOOD BUT ALSO NOT A SINGLE DROP OF WATER”
Date: 02/08/2008
The sixth day of the TYC led Indefinite Fast for Tibet without food and water started as a calm morning, with the rising sun, growing heat and humidity taking its effect on the hunger strikers. The early morning weight check showed that they have lost an average of over 10 kgs as they continue their fast without not only food but also not a single drop of water. more…

BRAVE, HONOURABLE, AND COMPASSIONATE EVERYONE ONE OF YOU
http://www.tibetanyouthcongress.org/

http://floodiceorfire.wordpress.com/
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#82 Dukov Norfolk,
A seedy run hotel outside Leicester 03/08/2008 04:45:18
I've reported posts:

2,5,6,7,8,9,13,16,19,20,21,25,26,27,32,36,37,41,42,47,49,51,52,55,57,59,60,61,62,63,65 with a special emphasis on 60,63 and 65 but they are still there.

......and the rest.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 00:06:25
Olympic colour cannot hide grey of Mao suit
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James Donald,
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For an indication of the tactics of Communist Chinese trolls see:
"NEWBIE'S GUIDE TO PRO-CHINA INTERNET TROLLS"
http://godism.blogspot.com/2008/04/newbies-guide-to-pro-china-internet.html

The guide needs a re-write in light of recent developments but it does give an idea of the tactics used by these individuals on the Internet.
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Newman!,

04/08/2008 00:13:54
Isn't it ironic that we are browbeating the Chinese for censoring the internet and here on the Scotsman in the land of free people we have censorship of the most repressive kind alive and well.
Scotsman editors - please no articles about censorship in China, the hypocricy is too much.
How sad.
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Let's have the truth,

Behind you 04/08/2008 06:07:53
#92 James Donald

I believe DukovNorfolk, post 82 was being facetious. I'm surprised you didn't recognise the irony in the post.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 06:42:01
#95 Let's have the truth - "I believe DukovNorfolk, post 82 was being facetious" - Apparently not since several of these posts have been deleted. Unless this is a "confession" from you.
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Let's have the truth,

Behind you 04/08/2008 09:15:19
#96

"several of these posts have been deleted"

That's not surprising as he listed almost all the posts in the thread.

I think paranoia is getting the better of you.

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Edward M. Kennedy,

04/08/2008 12:27:46
97 Let's have the truth

Everyone knows James Donald is a mass deleter, he can't ever win arguements so deletes.

 

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