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Obama rides the wave



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Published Date: 05 January 2008
THIS weekend, one question is being asked across America: has the sparsely populated state of Iowa delivered a wake-up call to the world's remaining superpower, sweeping away convention and the political establishment to pick the youthful, passionate, inexperienced figure of Barack Obama to lead it?
Obama addresses supporters at a post-caucus celebration in Des Moines, Iowa. Picture: Getty Images
Obama addresses supporters at a post-caucus celebration in Des Moines, Iowa. Picture: Getty Images
Mr Obama certainly thinks so. After his stunning win the Democratic primary, beating the favourite, Hillary Clinton, into third place, he told cheering supporters this was a "defining moment" in the history of the United States.

"They said this day would never come; they said our sights were set too high," he said. "Hope is the bedrock of this nation.

"We are choosing hope over fear. We're choosing unity over division and sending a powerful message that change is coming to America."

The numbers are impressive. Only six weeks ago, Mr Obama was all but written-off to the Clinton campaign juggernaut. But on Thursday night, he won 38 per cent of votes, with Mrs Clinton pushed into a humiliating third place on 29 per cent, one point behind John Edwards.

But the win tells only half the story. Among Democrat voters aged under 45, Obama's lead jumps to 50 per cent. Just as important, and just as damaging for Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama won the women's vote, getting 35 per cent against her 30 per cent in what most expected to be her strong suit.

Then there is his colour. Some indication of the momentousness of this win is that it is the first primary success by any black person, ever. And it happened in a state which is 95 per cent white and rural – hardly the traditional battleground for African-American political leaders.

Yet Mr Obama has managed, better than anyone else, to grab hold of the welling discontent building across America. And while Iowa seems untypical of the US demographically, politically its divisions are close to those of the country as a whole. Its preferred candidates have won both previous presidential elections, and many pundits think it is an important barometer of voter opinion.

"This is a bellwether state," Allen Steinberg, professor of history at the University of Iowa, said. "It is representative of the nation as a whole."

For Prof Steinberg, Mr Obama's win is a sign of changing times. "There's a generational shift taking place," he said. "Young people are really concerned. It's a big deal what happened last night, unprecedented in American history."

Democrats of all opinions are also taking heart after a bigger-than-expected turnout, despite freezing weather, with a two-to-one ratio against the Republican Party. Large numbers of independent voters plumped for Mr Obama, a key indicator for the Democrats' old guard that the Illinois senator may be able to win the US's precious middle-ground.

For Mrs Clinton, meanwhile, there is only bad news. Having portrayed herself as the all-but-inevitable candidate, based on experience gained with her husband Bill in the White House, she finds herself struggling to find a new message before the next primary, in New Hampshire on Tuesday.

The "safe pair of hands" from inside the Democratic establishment finds herself confronting an electorate determined to break the mould.

Pollsters have known of this discontent for some time. Congress – both the Democratic and Republican parties – scores even lower ratings that President George Bush, now one of the most unpopular US presidents.

But rather than opt for the Clinton "safe zone", Iowans have indicated a willingness for bold change. "Both parties have opted for change," David Yepsen, of the Des Moines Register, said.

Meanwhile, the negatives that seemed likely to trip up Mr Obama a few months ago are in the rear-view mirror. The voters of Iowa seemed not to mind that he had a few years in a Muslim pre-school in Indonesia, or even that his name sounds so similar to America's arch-enemy, Osama bin Laden.

Nor does his lack of experience – after only three years as a senator – seem like much of a block. Supporters point out that, by definition, nobody gets to the White House with presidential experience, while the experienced old hands now running the White House, some tracing political careers back half a century, are perceived as having made a hash of both the economy and the war in Iraq.

The turning point for Mr Obama was probably on 3 December, when Oprah Winfrey, the talk-show host who is the US's most popular celebrity, led an 18,000-strong rally to support him.

This rally appears to have convinced growing numbers of voters that the 44-year-old senator, while young, has a sensible head on his shoulders.

The word "change" has come to dominate Mr Obama's campaign. A CNN exit poll found that 51 per cent of Iowans thought he was best placed to deliver "change", compared with only 19 per cent for Mrs Clinton, and 20 per cent for Mr Edwards.

What this "change" might be, nobody is too sure. The economy, enduring the long-drawn-out misery of subprime mortgage failures, is No1 in voters' minds.

Healthcare is also up there, with millions wondering why the soaring costs of the country's insurance-based system are so much greater than those faced by taxpayers in other industrialised countries.

The war in Iraq comes some way behind both issues, amid a national consensus that, while not winnable, an early withdrawal might give terrorists a firmer foothold in the Middle East.

But what to do about these issues is fuzzy. "What they want is the change from Bush, (but] most people don't think it through," Prof Steinberg said.

Meanwhile, Mr Edwards, often anonymous in the Clinton-Obama contest, has drawn strength from his second place in Iowa.

He is the most traditionally left-wing of the Democratic candidates, and he completed a 36-hour marathon Iowa election tour before the poll, courting blue-collar workers, with an impressive result.

Many had expected him to succumb early in the race, as several Democratic candidates have done, but he may now emerge as king-maker in what looks likely to be a long three-horse race.

YOUNG VOTERS FLOCK TO BACK OBAMA IN RECORD TURN-OUT

MORE than one-third of Barack Obama's support was from voters under the age of 30, eclipsing Hillary Clinton and John Edwards among the young, according to those entering the caucuses. In contrast, more than a third of Mrs Clinton's vote came from people age 65 and older, far more than her closest rivals.

More than half of Mr Edwards' supporters were veteran caucus-goers, while most of his two rivals' backers were first-timers. And a desire for change was like a rocket booster for Mr Obama – half of Democrats said the ability to force change was the pivotal factor in picking a candidate, and half of them backed the youthful Illinois senator.

Turnout among Democrats in Iowa topped 220,000, smashing the previous record of 124,000 in 2004. Mr Obama benefited hugely from a strong turnout by young voters – 22 per cent of Iowa Democrats at the caucuses were under 30, compared with 17 per cent four years ago.

Mr Obama won a staggering 57 per cent of those votes. Young voters are typically harder to lure to the polls than older ones, and it is not certain he will be able to maintain that kind of commitment from them as the contest moves around the country.

He won four in 10 votes of those attending Iowa's caucuses for the first time – a group that comprised more than half of those who showed up on Thursday, an indication of the enthusiasm felt by Democrat party members for the competition.

Just more than half of Obama supporters were single, while more than 60 per cent of Mrs Clinton's and Mr Edwards' were married.

Mr Obama was also able to capture a group many polls showed belonged to Mrs Clinton: women. He got 35 per cent of their support, compared with 30 per cent for Mrs Clinton, a New York senator, and 23 per cent for Mr Edwards. In other words, only three in ten women backed the candidate who would, if victorious, be the first female president.

THE VOTING MADE SIMPLE

THE Iowa caucuses marked the beginning of the primary season, when individual states decide which candidate from the Republican and Democratic parties to back in the 2008 presidential election.

In primaries, all registered voters in a state directly vote for their preferred candidate. Caucuses are more complicated, but basically these involve delegates being selected at a county level to represent party members in subsequent votes.

The next big vote will be the New Hampshire primary, on Tuesday. The season is brought to a climax on 5 February with Super Tuesday, when Democrats and Republicans in 22 states vote.

Following this, both parties' delegates from each state will be sent to their national conventions in late summer, when the overall winners are formally chosen to fight the 7 November presidential election.

Why God won't always be on Huckabee's side

Alan Fram and Mark Egan

RELIGION played a huge role in Mike Huckabee's triumph in the Iowa Republican caucuses, but there are some mixed signals for him on the road ahead.

Eight in ten Huckabee supporters said they were born-again or evangelical Christians, according to an entrance poll. Another six in ten said it was very important to share their candidate's religious beliefs. In both categories, none of the former Arkansas governor's opponents came close to that kind of support.

In addition, six in ten Huckabee supporters – more than his rivals – said it was most important that their candidate shared their values. Only four per cent of his backers said they wanted a contender with experience and – incredibly – just two per cent said they were looking for a Republican who could go all the way and win the White House in November.

With New Hampshire's primaries next Tuesday, the campaign's next stop is a state where only about one in five Republican voters is a born-again or evangelical Christian – about one-third the number who claimed that status among Iowa Republicans.

While 46 per cent of Iowa's born-again or evangelical Republican voters backed Huckabee, a slight majority did not – indicating a willingness to support candidates other than the ordained Baptist minister who has made religion a centrepiece of his campaign.

Mitt Romney, former governor of New Hampshire's neighbour, Massachusetts and a Mormon, got one in five of those voters in Iowa. Romney, whose lead in New Hampshire is challenged by Arizona Senator John McCain, took studied aim at his chief rival in the state to bolster his attack strategy.

Romney wanted to make a one-two punch in Iowa and New Hampshire to seize control of the Republican race, but he is now in trouble, challenged by both Huckabee and McCain, whose penchant for straight talk appeals to the flinty nature of the local people.

Romney told the broadcaster MSNBC that McCain's past opposition to President Bush's tax cuts and support for a plan to give illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship will work against him in New Hampshire and help Romney.

"I think you're going to hear about it more, and I think the people in New Hampshire will find that very troubling," he said.

McCain responded on Fox News Channel: "I would hope that Governor Romney might have learned a lesson last night that negative attack ads don't work, and let's have a positive campaign here."

The former "zero tolerance" mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani, is well behind in the New Hampshire polls, holding a weak third place behind McCain and Romney.



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The Fly Fifer,

Fife 05/01/2008 02:06:11
This is a bellwether state," Allen Steinberg, professor of history at the University of Iowa, said. "It is representative of the nation as a whole."


mmmmmmmmm the last Iowa winner to be Pressie was Jimmy C!!

The Iowa caucus lasts two hours, preventing people who must work, who are sick, or must take care of their children from casting their vote. Absentee voting is also barred, so soldiers who come from Iowa, but must serve in the military lose their vote. The final criticism is the complexity of the rules in terms of how one's vote counts, as it is not a simple popular vote. Each precinct's vote may be weighed differently due to its past voting record. Ties can be solved by picking a name out of a hat or a simple coin spin, leading to anger over the true democratic nature of these caucuses

Above c/o Wiki

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Aoda,

Leeper 05/01/2008 02:35:02
The Fly Fifer, you are right on the spot. The good thing about Iowa is that the candidates meet and talk with the voters on a more personal basis. Once it gets to the larger states with big metropolitan areas it changes. Here the tv, media and money will play a much bigger part.

In the end the nominee will toe party line. Yes, they will have a lot to say about it so long as the basic agenda is followed.

Also remember the president leads but it is congress that passes the laws.
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StopTheNumpties,

05/01/2008 06:03:59
Isn't a bellwether the castrated sheep that leads the others to slaughter? Kind of a bad metaphor for what the good professor is saying Iowa represents? Actually the news media play a huge role in providing the impression that what Iowa has done is much larger than it actually is. Next up is an even smaller state - New Hampshire and the news media can be counted on to report that the race is over based on that result. Mrs. Clinton has incredibly high negatives among the voters who basically don't trust her, though many of them would vote for her husband again. She may eventually win the nomination of her party but a win in November will require that the giver her a lot of help by nominating someone even less likable.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 06:30:26
from my cosy internet chair the Ron Paul story is interesting, hated by the media, but strangely canvassing on almost word for word on Bushs 2000 campaign, but he means it,
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05/01/2008 06:43:37
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 07:04:00
Yes # 5 but the more technology that is put into the electorial system the easir it is to fix. There is NOTHING wrong with an X in the box beside a picture of the candidate and the papers can be kept for recount.

But with any system there will be fraud.

Do yu Americans permit electorial observers at your elections just like you (eg Jimmy Carter) and others "observe" the simple countries.

Florida springs to mind as a difficult case.

Also did you know that at the Iowa caucous, becuase of the "liberals" no ID is needed, technically many of the voters may not have been Iowan farmers but out of state visitors.
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circa53,

Bloomfield Hills, Mich.USA 05/01/2008 07:06:31
Oh Yea......There probably isn't 300 negros in the whole state of Iowa.....Let's just say that when your in the middle of the country, and your heading towards the "Old West"....that being black, brown, anything but white,isn't on the top ten cool list.Have you bought your Carbon Footprint vouchers yet? Gore owns one of the Co's selling them.Are you getting the drift of this yet? Ron Paul is ignored by the so-called media,yet their all over obama and hillary, even your press is.Paul has a real big crowd on the NET. The big day is a year away, and these fools spend hundreds of millions while those big bucks could be better used throughout the country.And the people who give them the big bucks want to talk about the poor and downtrodden, yet they don't give hundreds of millions to help them, witness the Salvation Army, who has had one of their worst holiday seasons in history, etc. etc. BLAH blah BLAH..........
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 07:14:29
I do not think one would call Barack Hussein Obama the word you used, (is that a PC word?) :-)

Re Ron Paul, if I was American I would be scared at the way the media influences and indeed "buries" success, such as Hannity who allegedly is a right wing pundit but has allegedly raised funds for Rudi G so his radio show pushes one way and for one candidate by the calls he takes and the questions he gives out.

FOX seems to also have a problem with teh right in general.

But hey whoever wins S/he ain't going to be my Prsident
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ex katman 2,

x sudan 05/01/2008 07:56:18
In his winning address Mr Obama said we are going to change the world.NO NO Mr Obama leave the world alone and just concentrate on changing America,and if you screw up no one outside the USA will care.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/01/2008 08:44:36
#7 circa53

You're right about one thing. The BBC and Channel 4 News are so obviously biased in favour of Barack Obama. Sarah Smith almost orgasmed at the thought of a black man winning the presidency. No matter that he might be very inexperienced and an unknown factor. The fact that he's young and cool (remember the young Blair?)but above all the fact he's black is all he needs for our metropolitan elite. Smith didn't even bother to hide her distaste for Bush when referring to him. Love him or hate him she's meant to be a journalist. That's the sort of bias we have to put up with in our media.
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Canning,

05/01/2008 09:51:32
Sure it shouldn't really matter what colour or sexuality any of the candidates are. I fear that Democrates will fall into the trap of simply saying- vote for me cause im black/ or a woman. Stick to policy and personality- anyhow lets face it whoever comes out of the primaries for both parties surely cant be worse than Bush.
12

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 05/01/2008 10:55:33
#10 - you are right about Sara Smith. She is a perfect symbol of everything that is wrong with the media in this country - in terms of nepotism and patronage. Did she get the top corresondent job with C4 because of her talent - her LISP, her 40 a day grating voice - or because her daddy was fat, unctuous Edinburgh lawyer John Smith - leader of the Labour Party?

Any good gradyate who turned up with that speech impediment would be told - sorry but you dont have a good microphone voice.
13

Proximaking,

Dundee 05/01/2008 11:45:12
Well I have thought for ages that Obama was going to win the nomination, don't "Barrack" Obama as I said to someone as she was questioning his background. But that said I still have a sneaking suspicion that if we could ever get that "idiot" Rice to stop following the party line she may be best for America and the World at the moment, Obama's time will come but not yet I feel, not yet. I don't know enough about American politics obviously but if things are left as they are the Republicans have lost the election already. Change is the key and if Rice can't change her view of herself how can anyone trust her with changing the World? A philosopher, David Brent in the Office Christmas special I think it was, once said you need three things to have a good life, 1. a meaningful relationship, 2. a decent job of work and 3. to make a difference. And it is always that third one that matters most.
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Homo Sapiens,

05/01/2008 11:52:56
A few Comments:
1. In the US the President is much more of a figure head than in most modern democracies. In his position of head of the Executive he must rely upon many people whose quality and experience will determine the level of success of the President. Bush Jr. is seen as a failed President primarily due to the fact that he relied heavily upon career politicians who served his Father George Bush Sr. who was as unpopular as his son because of poor policy and decision making relying on poor staff. In Many Ways Bush Jr repeated many of the mistakes of his father.

Hilary Clinton, represents the same danger to the USA, of having to rely on the staff of yet another failed former President, her estranged husband Bill. While popular and charismatic, Bill Clinton has presided over the most long-term damaging presidencies of the US. The effects of policies and decisions of the "Clinton Era" are only starting to emerge now... it will take a major concerted effort to rectify the damage done by Bill, do we want to add the damage of a power hungry, ego driven, Hilary? I think not.

Do we know enough about the Obama Staff and candidates for office if he wins? No. Is that a problem? Yes. Being an inexperienced Politican in the Presidential job is dangerous if not supported by an experienced qualified staff. The steep learning curve that a New President faces is hard enough to master for an experienced politician, but it can be hopeless for an inexperienced politician without an experienced staff.
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Homo Sapiens,

05/01/2008 12:02:27
2. The importance of the Iowa Caucuses is exaggerated. Iowa has not been the bellwether state as some wrongly state. The true bellwether state has been Mississippi, which correctly predicted the outcome of all elections since 1904 (except for one year).

3. "What they want is the change from Bush, (but] most people don't think it through," Prof Steinberg said. - How true. Politicians have cinically exploited the unhappiness of voters in democratic countries by using the word "change" too much, without being specific how they will bring about this change. The USA is not the only country where there has been less than adequate scrutiny of the platforms for "change" of the various candidates. Here in the UK, we have had 11+ years of "change" yet little has changed, and most of the changes are not for the better! It is indeed irresponsible that people are given the right to vote, without being saddled with the responsibility of knowing and understanding what they vote for. If you vote for slogans, and empty promises that cannot be fullfilled, you deserve what you get, hot air from corrupt politicians who will make a living out of the voter's lack of responsible voting.

It is therefore refreshing that even in a media driven elctoral system where people vote for slogans (not much more), candidates such as Mike Huckabee can shine through, even if for a brief moment (as he will surely be overtaken by the media backed candidates), allowing the message of some voters committed to their cause to make their voice heard.

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Griffe,

05/01/2008 13:06:40
He has won the first battle, but not the war. He has many obstacles to overcome to win the Democrat nomination, then even more obstacles to win the presidency. Good Luck Barack.
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Aoda,

Leeper 05/01/2008 13:52:28
Ross Fyff, yes we have poll watchers. Each party has represenatives to keep a watch on who votes, their qualifications and also the count and they can and do contest the resulta like in Florida. Don't believe in international watchers. How could a person from America watch an election in Scotland. Differant rules and customs.

Pictures are a bad idea. It would make it a lot easier for illegal immigrants to vote, they don't learn English.
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Aoda,

Leeper 05/01/2008 13:53:36
Sorry any typos, new glasses and not used to them.
19

Silence of the Yams,

05/01/2008 14:42:27
It's possible Obama could get the nomination, but the presidency...no chance.
20

rtbohan,

USA 05/01/2008 14:44:14
As a matter of fact, Jesse Jackson had primary victories in the 1980s. I know this, having voted for him in both 1984 and 1988.
21

rtbohan,

05/01/2008 14:46:28
As a matter pf fact. Jesse Jackson had primary victories in some southern states in both 1984 and 1988.
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Angus Ogg,

Argyll 05/01/2008 15:08:35
Whatever else you may think about Mr Obama, he has got a lot of courage. A huge amount.

The last senator/congressman that Illinois sent to the Presidency of the United States was Abraham Lincoln. The 16th President of the United States, and a presidency prematurely brought to an end after the assasination. It may be an issue that dare not speak its name, but the safety of Mr Obama should he reach the White House has got to be a major concern.

There is also a fine irony that it was President Lincoln who is credited with the abolition of slavery in America; with the prospect of the first African American president coming from Illinois, aka the "Land of Lincoln" the circle is almost complete. Best of luck Mr Obama.

Whatever else, United States politics just got very interesting to it's UK cousins. Even one could say, a breath of fresh air after the turpitude of recent years along Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Laurette,

Southern California 05/01/2008 15:36:16
19 Silence of the Yams,05/01/2008 14:42:27
It's possible Obama could get the nomination, but the presidency...no chance

If he runs against Huckabee - he has a very good chance. Most Americans are against having another Born Again in the White House. Look where GW has led us. The GOP is the Party of hatred, but even they are a bit afraid of Huckabee getting the nomination. Huckabee goaded the Parole Board in Arkansas into releasing a rapist who went on to murder and rape again. He will outlaw abortion and believes that women should "submit" to their husbands. While he has folksy charm he will no doubt nominate a Bible Thumper to the Supreme Court and along with the current make up - America will become a Theocracy.
24

GW,

Aberdeenshire, Scotland 05/01/2008 15:55:35
Hi Laurette. You may not like the idea of Christians being appointed to the Supreme Court - I assume that's what you mean by 'Bible Thumper' - but that is a consequence of believing in Freedom of Religion. Just because someone happens to have religious beliefs should not exclude them from the Supreme Court so long as they do not let personal beliefs interfere with their interpreting the meaning of the Constitution (which goes for anyone whether Christian or atheist.)
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/01/2008 16:16:57
#24 GW

Of course a person with relgious beliefs should never be precluded from high office. Look at HM the Queen, it's obvious that her life has been guided by a strong, but quiet, belief. It's sad that Bliar claimed he couldn't be more open about his religion because of the fear of being thought a freak. However, so many Americans follow a form of Christianity that is little better than the fundamental Islamonazism that currentlyblights the world. Who on Earth can take a man seriously who flys in the face of all rational science and refuses to believe in the Theory of Evolution? If he, or his kind, get elected, the World has much to fear.
26

The Strategist,

05/01/2008 16:36:25

I actually think it's rather worrying that this is the best that both parties have to offer.

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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 17:16:20

Huckabee ............

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html
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Sambo,

The deep south 05/01/2008 17:16:59
For Hillary to show up as an experienced candidate for president is like the wife of the Scottish football captain showing up on game day saying she was going to play instead of her husband.
By the way, I saw a good bumper sticker the other day it said.
"I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than go riding with Ted Kennedy".
29

RedSwanie,

05/01/2008 17:39:21
#28: I'd rather stay away from both of them; neither is a wise choice. Is there a bumper sticker for that?
30

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 18:19:13

when you vote in the us take your treo ;-)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080101/ap_on_re_us/voting_machine_mess
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ppink,

05/01/2008 18:59:24
Oh Glory, Glory Hallelujah! At last the mould (sic)is broken. It was getting close, very close to disaster and this is the second coming from the very unlikely and humble beginnings. I feel as happy now as I was miserable when JFK was executed by the forces of evil. Just make Lewis win the world championship and my cup will overfloweth - no bathos intended - Noticeth how similar they look it's no coincidence. This is a new breed of small but perfectly formed supermen.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 19:31:45
Trouble with someone with so little experience of manipulative permanent government (yesit exists) He will have to do so much on advisement ........ thats the law of the political jungle.

He may be a breath of fresh air but an example from here in the UK would be a gentleman called Bernie Grant, a highly respected local politician with great hands on expeience, not my politcal leaning by miles but credit where due, he went on to be an MP (sorta ginda Senator) where he was swamped by the government machine and party rules, I believe he died unfulfilled.
33

Rita,

Warren 05/01/2008 19:39:29
that was only the first State-- the American people as a whole are not ready for a muslim president, this is a christian country,----- a lot has been made of the fact of the other representives religion, through the whole campaigh nothing was said of Obama's religion
34

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 05/01/2008 19:44:31
# 33 although I believe you are correct I do not think it is public knowledge ...........
35

John Blackley,

Austin, TX 05/01/2008 21:14:45
Rita, #33: Is there a muslim running for president?

Funny, I missed that.
36

Pilrig,

Livingston 05/01/2008 21:16:22
34 - she's wrong. But ye gotta laugh - the septics making a song and dance aboot a candidate's religion.
Ye couldnae make it up !
Mebbe it's time Uncle Sam started reading Dawkins insteed of Bronze Age fiction.
37

Pilrig,

Livingston 05/01/2008 21:21:40
29 I mind seeing a cartoon circa 1969 where Ted Kennedy is shaking hands with Dick Nixon and asking him if he could give him a lift home........
38

E.A. Swimmer,

05/01/2008 21:56:19
Caucus: without doubt a word that should be banned for all time, particularly as most people haven't a clue what it means.

Hustings: much the same as above.

Funny thing is, both are closely associated with politics, and politicians. They all suck.
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Sambo,

The deep south 05/01/2008 22:19:56
Obama's background is African, with a white mother. He's not a muslim although his father was.
A candidate in the US elections for president has to have a strong grasp of international relations. The only one qualified in this regard is John McCain.
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Sambo,

The deep south 05/01/2008 22:24:09
#24 GW, We in the US are going to give up our constitution to Iraq. Cause it seems we no longer have the will to uphold it anymore.
41

Laurette,

05/01/2008 22:29:18
24 GW
Just because someone happens to have religious beliefs should not exclude them from the Supreme Court so long as they do not let personal beliefs interfere with their interpreting the meaning of the Constitution (which goes for anyone whether Christian or atheist

Unfortunately, we already have a Conservative Supreme Court. One more and it will tip completely to the Right. In it's present make up it has already ruled repeatedly against the "Little guy" and for the Corporations. I get the impression you applaud this?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 05/01/2008 23:16:11
Do you really have to be all that intellegent to be a US PRESIDENT. Any elected president will be backed by some vested interest. The advisors will come from the Harvard mob, the rich etc. As long as the president looks after the US ECONOMIC & POLITICAL INTEREST, INCLUDING OVERSEAS INTEREST, then I could do the job! So step down Billhary.
43

Reekin' Lum,

06/01/2008 02:30:46
All the Bush bashers out in force. The wee people. Meanwhile we have the possibility of having a woman whose only experience has been the wife of a politician and four or five years as a mediocre senator for New York State. Obama is a young Senator with no experience whatsoever.

This is the scary thing about this country which is the super power at present.. a woman who hasn't a clue and a young socialist black man who wants to import the European failed political plan to this country and thus bring it to the knees where the "America-last" haters want to see it.

Somehow the good Lord has intervened in the past- we had George Bush, the latest versus a-hole Global Warming Gore who was there when we had the 9/11. ( Imagine the apologies this miserable creature would have made if he had been Pres. when it happened?)

Anyway, you US/Bush haters, read what you can of the "Blair Years " of Alistair Campbell and get a sense of how your man , Clinton, was such a useless individual as the "so-called leader of the World..

Also , learn about the electoral process rather than spout the usual antiamerican garbage. It's not a perfect system by any means but that's all there is.
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thewitness,

06/01/2008 07:06:34
How Israeli Military Intelligence Controls Our Elections and Military

By Christopher Bollyn
2 January 2008

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bollyn-Voting-2.html
45

Pilrig,

Livingston 06/01/2008 12:06:07
43 - Reekin Lum: you ARE reekin (of the bevvy)
"The God Lord has intervened in the past - we had George Bush"

Who says the Yanks have nae sense of irony ?

Jesus wept (with laughter !)
46

Laurette,

Southern California 06/01/2008 14:40:29
Obama is a young Senator with no experience whatsoever.

And of course GW was totally versed from his figurehead position as Governor of Texas on domestic and foreign affairs. What a joke!
47

Jimmyboy,

The Nevada Desert 06/01/2008 16:56:14
Iowa....?
48

Jimmyboy,

The Nevada Desert 06/01/2008 17:06:43
The bus loads of Califunians passing thru Vegas said
"The Democrats were spending half their budget to
get voter into Iowa to vote for Huckabee(Republican)
so Paul(Republican) wouldn't have such a good showing.
The Democrates worry about"Truthers" and if Paul had
been represented by lawful votes and had been interviewed...He might tell a truth that would inform
a general public of a reality. And truth is Americans
love liars, that way they can blame someone else for
their own irresponsibilities.
49

Sandi,

San Diego 06/01/2008 17:40:47
#14 Homo Sapiens,

Hillary Clinton has far fewer former staffers from her husband's presidency than Obama has.

#48, Jimmyboy,

The Democrats don't care about Ron Paul. The Republicans on the other hand, are terrified of him.

The best Democratic candidate is the one noboody mentions, yet who came in second in Iowa - NOT a "bellweather" anything!- John Edwards. He is the Democrat the Republicans do not want to face in the general election. There isn't any dirt to dig up on him, other than how much he pays for a haircut and he lives in a big house - like all those Republican millionaires do.
50

Drum Major,

07/01/2008 00:58:15
25 Draco Was a Wimp - Remember "The Theory of evolution" is just that, an unproven theory. It is often supported by "facts" that have been disproven. While "Creation" must also fall into the catagory of a theory it has many proven facts to support it. Eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place.

The religion or lack of one by a candidate is something that should be considered along with their views on many subjects, experience, advisers and policies (if any) for the future.

42 Shamus - unless you were born in the USA you cannot run for president. All you immigrants can vote for, but not be voted for. Don't worry you can still buy a president.

The scary thing about this whole process is they are voting for a KING with the powers of George II, a Mad King. So far they have managed to keep the Mad King tradition alive and well with disasterous results. The present incumbent is such a case. Thank God for a Constitutional Monarchy. Maybe it is time the US rejoined the Commonwealth. Would Tony Blair have become part of the 'coalition of the willing' if asked by a US prime minister?
51

Akeeperoftheflame,

charlotte, nc 07/01/2008 06:47:27
One thing I noticed: John Edwards is almost being ignored by the corporate-controlled television stations.

hmmm.....

Further, he has accepted NOT A DIME from ANY of the fatcat lobbyists that are throwing around campaign contributions by the suitcase full on K Street.

That cannot be said to be true about Obama or Clinton.

My feeling is, that being "without strings" or obligations would be an EXCELLENT position for a newly elected President in 2008. Especially when interacting with a Democratic-controlled Congress and lots of newbies who want to make a difference and show the folks back home they were right to send them to Washington.


I believe John Edwards clearly intends to take back the country from its corporate hijackers. I think he will do as he says and bar ALL Lobbyists from the White House.

And based on a personal experience I had when asking for help several years back when Mr. Edwards was a senator, I believe he will have the sense to bring with him a competent staff to "get'er done." They sure helped me cut through my mom's Social Security red tape in no time.


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My take on Hillary: She's been in the circuit too long. She is too willing to negotiate things which should NOT be negotiated. I think it's time for her to be Vice-President, however. I think she would be a wonderful intermediary between President Edwards and Congress.
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My take on Obama: He's simply polishing up for the NEXT election. Right now, sadly enough, I see him as "all hat and no cattle" as the saying goes.
He also has a whiff of the "maintaining status quo" about him, as, interestingly enough, some black friends of mine consider him the "token" being proposed by the current powers that be.

I thought about that, and something inside me says that's a fact.

And Oprah, honey, you need to stay out of this.

YOU, Oprah, didn't fight AGAINST Bush,

You Oprah, didn't object to the election
52

Dr Egg,

The Box 07/01/2008 16:25:35
Anyone, ANYone but Bush!

 

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