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Published Date: 27 October 2009
A MYSTERIOUS carved stone has been uncovered alongside a 12th-century church associated with the Knights Templar.


The stone has been dated to the 12th century. Pictures: Kate Chandler

What appears to be the carved top of a sarcophagus was unearthed when builders were excavating and reinforcing a wall alongside the old ruined church in Temple, Midlothian.

But the inscriptions, which include symbols similar to those found in Viking monuments, in medieval graves and in West Highland Celtic carvings, have baffled archaeologists.

Crispin Phillips, who is renovating a house alongside The Old Parish Church, said: "I was on a mission to repair the wall – which was falling into the graveyard. We got near the bottom of the foundations and found something buried there.

"We found one stone carved with a cross and then another with these carvings on it."


Crispin Phillips discovered the stone while repairing a wall

He added: "We spent about half an hour in philosophical discussions about what we should do about it. I felt we should do something, rather than just bury it again."

Mr Phillips contacted Historic Scotland and East Lothian Council, whose archaeologists cover Midlothian.

He said the stone had been photographed and recorded but he was still unclear whether further investigations would be carried out. "One of the archaeologists who came out told us it was probably from the early 12th century," he added. "But really I'm still in limbo about what to do about it."

Historian and author John Ritchie said the stone raised many questions. "It is a crude carving, quite primitive, but I have never seen anything like it in my life," he said. "It has a whole series of symbols on it and the symbols are very interesting.

"The symbols at the bottom look like Viking sun compasses, while the dials at the top look a little bit like a Celtic cross but with notches carved on them."

Expert David Connolly, of Connolly Heritage Consultancy, said he believed the stone was from the 13th or 14th century.

"It is a significant site because it was the Templar Preceptory for Scotland," he said. "I think from the condition, it may once have been set inside the church – which was once much bigger," he added.

"He could be a Templar, he could be a Hospitaller, he could just be a knight who wanted to be buried there – but the heraldry is like nothing anyone has seen before."

He added that he hoped further study of the stone was possible in the future.

Mr Phillips said he planned to complete the rebuilding of the 17th-century graveyard wall and would build an arch into it so the half-buried carvings could still be seen by interested scholars.

However historian and author Michael Turnbull said he doubted the find was significant: "There were certainly Templars there but this might be a fake."


Village legend tells of long-lost buried treasure

THE village of Temple in Midlothian takes its name from the Knights Templar, who once had their Scottish Preceptory – their headquarters – there.

The ruined chapel, which nestles in the valley at the foot of the village, is all that remains of what was once an abbey founded by the Templars on lands gifted by David I of Scotland in 1127.

Founded during the Crusades, the Templars was a religious order of knights whose mission was to protect Christians in the Holy Land.

Some say they invented international banking, with a system of credit letters used to pass funds to people fighting in the Crusades. The Templars certainly grew rich and powerful. According to some accounts they were the holders of treasures from Jerusalem.

But the organisation came under suspicion from the royalty of Europe and the Catholic Church. Templars were hunted down and burned at the stake.

Legend has it some of those fleeing persecution hid in this Midlothian village – bringing their treasure with them.

According to local legend some of this treasure still lies buried in Temple: "Twixt the oak and the elm tree/You will find buried the millions free."



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  • Last Updated: 27 October 2009 9:03 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Cynicus Unbound,

26/10/2009 23:27:12
Will Dan Brown have to re-write The da Vinci code?
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27/10/2009 00:12:41
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27/10/2009 00:22:01
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Fifi la Bonbon,

27/10/2009 00:33:38
Apparently one of the doors to the men's bogs in IKEA in Glasgow has a face on it that looks like Jesus.
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david wayne osedach,

San Diego 27/10/2009 00:59:09
What an intriguing find! Protect that stone like your life depends upon it.
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27/10/2009 01:10:10
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Canis Majoris,

TEXAS 27/10/2009 01:14:35
Sir .
That is not correct .

The face of Jesus was found on the door of a men's rest room in a WAL-MART store in Dallas TEXAS last week.
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27/10/2009 01:15:25
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Canis Majoris,

TEXAS 27/10/2009 01:16:36
A second face of Pres George Bush was found on the door of a ladies rest room at The ALAMO, San Antonio, TEXAS.
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Dunnie,

Canada 27/10/2009 01:17:28

Fifi - you are hopeless. IKEA stands for: I Know Everything A**hole or in terms of the Knights Templar:

"Twixt the oak and the elm tree/You will find buried the millions free" or IKEA: In Knots Everywhere About".
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27/10/2009 01:32:21
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Dunnie,

Canada 27/10/2009 01:38:11

Yet the insense given by burning holy oak

is not found in its rendering smoke
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Dunnie,

27/10/2009 02:11:27

But in its very fire,

all that we sense,

and desire.
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Davy,

The Old Parish ChurchTemple, Midlothian 27/10/2009 02:28:07
We should immediately get a JCB in & dig the whole area up. Just in case the treasure is still there. I would also recommend explosives for maximum excavation purposes. To be thorough, immediate demolition of the chapel should also be seriously considered.
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Dunnie,

canada 27/10/2009 02:32:27
Spoil sport. Must be an engineer.
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Gemma Ravenscroft,

Victoria 27/10/2009 05:05:41
This is where reality imitates art. The Golden Crusader by Linda Langwith (published by Twilight Times Books and available at Amazon) deals with a similar situation where a Templar's sarcophagus is found in a crypt, part of the remains of a preceptory upon which the heroine's cottage sits. You can read the reviews on Amazon. Check out the author's website while you're at it: www.lindalangwith.com
Cheers!
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Sonare,

27/10/2009 05:12:16
... the vikings and the Scots ... our weather and violent history leaves us with little to uncover ... 'nothing beside remains' ... an opportunity here to rectify that? ...
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27/10/2009 05:14:16
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jockstrap,

27/10/2009 05:16:43
#'s 4 & 7
No one knows what Jesus looked like so haw can it be said to be the face of Jesus. I think it is the face of Levi Cohen.
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Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,

27/10/2009 07:21:19

I'm shocked Yok Finney hasn't been here to link this with interstellar plasma currents and fishing boats.
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Tux,

Lancaster 27/10/2009 08:00:35
Why is there not a decent photograph of the stone with this story? That pathetic thumbnail is typical of the graphics on this site and is worse thsn useless.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/10/2009 08:00:57
An intriguing find. I'd like a closer look at the carvings.
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Nelson51,

Newcastle 27/10/2009 08:01:04
(The symbols) "look a little bit like a Celtic cross but with notches carved on them." Sounds like the "cross patee" of the Knighta Templars. Hughes De Payen, founder of the Knights Templars, retired in 1131, when he was succeeded by Robert of Burgoyne. Hugues died in 1136, Temple or Ballintraddock, was part of his estate. It is more than likely he was buried in the church rather than the grounds.
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Ben Thehoose,

27/10/2009 08:14:01
Dig the stones up so we can have a proper look at them, otherwise all sorts of weird theories will emerge.

The Templar banking system was actually the Arabic one first; it is still practised to avoid currency controls. It is the origin of cheques that are worth nothing to thieves, only to the named recipient.
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Gerry McGuigan,

DUNDEE 27/10/2009 08:53:36
TEMPLE's original Gaelic name translates into SOLDIERTOWN.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/10/2009 09:04:39
#26 "TEMPLE's original Gaelic name translates into SOLDIERTOWN."

You're very close. Its modern Gaelic name is "Baile nan Trodach", and is a reference to the Knights Templar. The old name was Ballentroddoch, which means "the farm of the combatants".
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reincarnated,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 09:13:53
Roughly translated it says " Have Hibs won the cup yet?"
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Nelson51,

Newcastle 27/10/2009 09:24:18
#1 Cynicus Unbound,26/10/2009 23:27:12
Will Dan Brown have to re-write The da Vinci code?

He will have to wait until the authors of the "Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" come up with theories for the stone, before he could write anything about it!.
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Gerry McGuigan,

DUNDEE 27/10/2009 09:25:14
Thanks no.27. Good morning no.28 -feeling all right today?
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Drum Major,

Brisbane 27/10/2009 09:27:02
The Templars had the banking system that made them rich and the most professional fighting force in Europe. With the loss of the Holy Land their reason for existance was in question and monarchs became nervous with their presence while coverting their wealth. The King of France used his puppet Pope (who had been brought from Rome to France by force)to denigrate the Templars so as to confiscate their richs. While he got their lands he missed their treasure which was spirited to the West Coast of Scotland. Scotland was the only European country that did not confiscate their property. Bruce welcomed them as supporters of his and the Scottish cause. The treasure may have been hidden awaiting the next Crusade. I don't think most of the contributors to this site would qualify for admission to the Templars so you are not getting a share.
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Ananurhing,

27/10/2009 09:46:48
The Templar family of Sinclairs who built the nearby Roslin chapel were originally from Orkney, which might explain the Norse symbology.

Q.How many Templars (/Masons) does it take to change a lightbulb?

A. I'm no tellin ye, it's a secret.

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Radical Mac,

27/10/2009 09:49:51
31 Difficult times for the Templars indeed it is suspected that the order had become more important, respected and certainly wealthier than the Catholic Church of the day. So on Friday the 13th (the order was attacked and many murdered) origin of the superstition of Friday the 13th being unlucky.
It will be interesting to find out the truth behind this carving. Dan Browns books although excellent reading are fiction. Will the modern Templars qualify for a share I doubt it will go to the crown as usual.
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Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 09:51:13
#7 - sorry, but you are the one who is incorrect here! You may be correct about the same thing happening in texas, but it was plastered all over the local papers the other day that this happened in IKEA in Braehead.

Or is that just another example of the world ending at the US borders....?
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Kilmartin,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 10:03:43
Ananhurning - love that joke, and like the theory about the Sinclair family. I wish the image was better; there's clearly a sword carved into the stone which I've seen on stones elsewhere. Anyone interested in the Templars and the SInclair family/Roslyn links should visit the graveyard at Old Pentland. It's ironic that IKEA gets mentioned in this topic because it must sit on or close to old Templar lands...
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Roy,

27/10/2009 10:09:15
There's a photograph at:


http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_03JMVYxiyBw/SohRpFzhwCI/AAAAAAAAHCY/G_P1lupE578/s400/DSC_2649.jpg&imgrefurl=http://scotgraves.blogspot.com/&usg=__Wrh80oAUYjp6gGEvWf0nK7oaSYQ=&h=400&w=266&sz=32&hl=en&start=21&tbnid=FyRIefMsU_n-iM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtemple%2Bmidlothian%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20

Or just 'google' 'temple midlothian' and it should be on the second page.
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AJ Fife,

27/10/2009 10:11:40
Looks like a job for Time Team. Phil, Carenza and Baldrick would have aw the answers you want in less than 3 days!
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Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging Around 27/10/2009 10:33:51
#32 - The Sinclair name originated in Normandy (land of the Northmen), from the village of St-Clair-sur-Epte, to be exact. The Norman dynasty was founded by a Viking called Rollo and the same Normans came to England around 1066 with William of Normandy then moved, along with, among others, the de Brus name (as in Robert de Brus or Robert the Bruce) not long afterwards. The StClairs settled around Edinburgh and were also the Earls of Orkney and of Fife with some lands in Caithness - Sinclair Castle is close to Wick. If you are ever close to Wick, make a point of visiting the Clan Sinclair museum at the lighthouse. The curator - Ian Sinclair - is a most interesting person with a vast knowledge of things relating to both Sinclairs and the Knights Templar.
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Mr Stu,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 10:36:04
Is it just me, or does it look like two separate stones..? Almost like they were part of an old wall or archway that fell in a VERY long time ago.
It's just that the symbols from the top stone (the one with the circles on it)don't carry onto the second stone; also I don't think that that shape is a cross, but a sword.
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AJ Fife,

27/10/2009 10:47:01
#40,

Could it be, that this was a stone mason doodling?
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Mr Stu,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 10:48:15
AJ - like a giant stone notepadthat some bored scribe chipped away at in the back of the class..?

I like that image!
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/10/2009 10:48:17
Mr Stu

Now that I can see clearer photographs, it does very much look like a sword. The stone is similar to others I've seen in Cumbria. My guess would be a 12th or 13th century grave slab, but I'd love a closer look.
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Mr Stu,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 10:53:12
Lianachan

Ah now there's an interesting prospect! But do you think it's Templar or plain a plain old soldier's burial place?

Also, whereabouts in Cumbria?
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Nelson51,

Newcastle 27/10/2009 11:24:53
A sword on a cist or sarcophagus usually means a male occupant, scissors a female. I think the "celtic cross with notches" is really an oak tree. Find the gravestone with the elm tree and right slap bang in the middle, you should find the one with the skull and crossbones and the treasure. If you are on the level, you will cut me in for a share for giving you this information.
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Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 27/10/2009 11:37:07
# 31 Drum Major

I'm pretty sure Portugal didn't confiscate their riches either. Just a small point.

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Houssine,

Nanterre 27/10/2009 12:04:12
Hello, my name is Houssine al Najaar, I'm ethnologyst and linguist, specialised in Celtic societies. Many amongst you have readed my post in the past in this site. This article was pleasant and atractive. They are a mystery behind the picture. And each one amongst us was in perpetuel reschearch of his origin, his identity and his self. For this reason we have many succesful popular theories . I have only one side of the picture, what i can call about it, they are not doubt , for me, the symbolic on this rok was a celtic ornementation and they are absolutly not links whit catholic or christian church. We can see twoo not complet circles in the right of the opicture whit many doths , this is one of the marc of celtic art and culture.
This sort of trouvails was attractive for poeples. Many fantasmes was sleep in our mind. The crusaders, the knights, the Kings,...

The author: Houssine al Najaar: e-mail
nedjar@live.fr
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Mikey,

27/10/2009 12:18:49
How do they know it's Jseus' face? Has anybody ever came back to tell us what he looks like?
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 27/10/2009 12:29:27
Post #20 Jockstrap, also posts #4,#7

Actually we do know his face and appearance did not fit the way it was portrayed in Christian icons throughout the centuries. Abraham was a bedouin tribesman from the vicinity of Ur, refer to what people refer to as the "Old Testament".

Ur is in Asia, not Europe check a non-religious atlas. It is East of the Dardenelles and Bosphorous Straits and South of the Caucasus mountains. Read also in the Old testament how he, like Bedouins do to this day, wandered around with his tents and flocks from water hole to water hole until, eventually his tribes ehtnically cleansed Palestine (Called Cannan by the Hebrews, Palestine by the Romans and Greeks (Philistia)and established Ancient Israel. Clearly the historical Rabbi, Christ did not look anything like us long haired bearded Northern Barbarians. Portraying him with European features was Christian propaganda! He would have looked more like Saddam or Jasser Arafat. So do not know how he looked but we know for certain how he did not look!

Those early Christians would do anything to make our ancestors identify with the monotheistic, intolerant Asian God of the Jews, hence the European portryal of his crucified Rabbi Son.
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Ben Thehoose,

27/10/2009 12:38:24
Jesus' face? There is a description in a text that was rejected at Nicea when the official bible was collated. Jesus was described as small, hook nosed, ugly, scruffy; but with a 'presence' despite all the poor external appearances. As I'm away from home this week I can't give better details/sources. Try Wiki.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 27/10/2009 12:52:43
Jesus looks like Robert Powell, everybody knows that.
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RSBuff,

US of A 27/10/2009 12:56:35
Why don't some of you around Midlothian just rent a good metal detector and spend a few days at the site? If I were there, it's what I would do. You could be the most famous treasure hunter in history, if you're twixt the right elm and the right oak.
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Lys Alf,

Scotsman 27/10/2009 12:57:58
Post #49 Ben Thehoose

The nose bit says it all, I rest my case!
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Houssine,

Nanterre 27/10/2009 13:15:13
I think the Old Scottish don't have lot of relation whit what we name semitics societies. The Jésu was considered by muslims as the messenger of the God Allah. Certainly the place of Jésu in Islam was great than other messengers exept Muhammed, the prophet of Islam. Jesu was a prominent figure in Islamic religion, first because he have spook immediatly afther his bird for protecting his mother against accausation of adultery, this is the curanic version and second in Islam Jésu have received the holly spirit of Allah, the arab expréssion is "Ruh al Lah". In this rok i don't see any human figure but in the left i see a form of a pig. In the 12th century most celtics communities have a celtic language and speak in other language than a language of europeens kings of the epoc. We can learn in Sheakspear book many reference about indigenious speak. I think the transformation of Scotish and most generally others celtic societies was divised in twoo parts first , i think when the Scotland and others parts of Brittany was romanised, we can consider it's not a islamic religion was the first in Scotland but a paganist roman empire. The Islam as semitic religion war coming in Scotland and brittany afther the romanisation, i use the concept of Islam because this religion regroup oll knowledge about the semitic christian religion as the believe to one God and Jesu was his messenger.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/10/2009 13:30:57
#51 It's illegal to use metal detectors on or near scheduled monuments in Scotland.
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Dougie Welsh,

Halifax 27/10/2009 13:33:15
More than half of you are functionally illiterate, going by the way you ridicule things you don't understand or care about. Just because you're a Yob doesn't mean everyone else is.

#53 - The name of God in Arabic is "Allah". The name of God in English is "God". The name of God in ... D'ye get the point? There's only one, but each language has its own name for Him. Or Her.

For the rest of you, if you don't give a hoot about archaeology, ignore the story and get on with life, allowing the rest of us to read what interests us!

No bloody wonder knife crime is up!
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 27/10/2009 13:33:24
#51 - As the property is Crispins house, the Old Manse and the bees may be active enough to stop intruders? They were angry on delivery 20 years ago I recall when we moved them on a bus.

Just why Michael Turnbull would consider the stone a potential "fake" is another mystery.



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Canis Majoris,

TEXAS 27/10/2009 13:47:27
#34


Or is that just another example of the world ending at the US borders....?
------------------------------------------------------

Sir you are almost correct. The world ends at the TEXAS borders.
You can fit Gt.Britain into TEXAS 2.9 times

And if you want to see what Jesus looked like, then go to the BBC archives, and there you will find a computerized facial drawing of what a man living in that time in that region looked like.

The sketch is based on known skull features found there.

If its correct then he looked like Saddam Hussein with short hair and no beard.And was about 5foot 9 inches in height.

TEXAS the "Lone Star State"
A Pickup, a Gun , a Longhorn Steer that's it.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/10/2009 13:53:34
#36 Roy

Thanks for that link. The carvings do look a bit inconsistent, so I can see where Michael Turnbull is coming from with his potential fake comments. It could just be that it doesn't photograph very well, of course.
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Bama Boy,

eduke@bluecrab.org 27/10/2009 15:29:08
"What are you drawing?", the teacher asked the six year old. "I'm drawing a picture of God", the child answered.

"But how can you do that? No one knows what God looks like."

The child responded, "They will in a minute."
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Houssine,

Nanterre.Eu 27/10/2009 16:30:47
I don't understund why poeples compar the figure of the Christ whit S.H?? In celtics societies one of the great problem of those societies is it's insular societies and can't have a great abstraction of the creation of the world as an exact image of the earth. The expansions of celtics communities was under other identities or afther a big human catastroph. The idea of "Al-lah" was devloped by monothéist religion . The monothéiste religion was happened in Scotland only afther the becoming of al Islam ,in the 7-8 centhury. Most Celtics communities have a not semitic religion, in the begining theyr religion was considered as a cult of the nature whit his forces and afther the roman occupation most of them have adopted the paganisme as a religion. Al Islame was different from the others division of the monothéisme, firt the name of the God was "Al-Lah" and muslimes consider the booc of al Curan as the words and the discourse of the God transmited to his servitor Muhamed.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/10/2009 16:46:17
1 - no, except perhaps he could put Versailles in it's true position south-west of Paris rather than north of the city according to DVC
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/10/2009 16:48:14
14 - why ? are ye plannin' on buildin' hooses on the auld kirk's site ?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/10/2009 16:51:10
32 - there's no Templar connection with Rosslyn Chapel, other than modern 'confections'. Whereas Temple village HAS a genuine conection with the KT.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/10/2009 16:58:48
Re Midlothian: there are quite a few interesting places Mount Lothian, auld Pentland Kirkyard, Newbattle Abbey but the only one in Midlothian with a genuine connection with the Templars is Temple village.
BTW St Antony's Chapel in Holyrood Park, Rosslyn Chapel, the remains of the chapel at Mount Lothian (where William Wallace was knighted) a direct line runs north to south through these three auld chapels : FACT
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Canis Majoris,

TEXAS 27/10/2009 16:59:57
#57 cont'd..

Forgot to include

Shiner Bock......DELL computers.........Women wearing long Prairie dresses with bonnets......

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/10/2009 17:58:12
Pilrig - "a direct line runs north to south through these three auld chapels : FACT".

I thought that such a definate statement was worth checking, so I got the NGR for all three sites and plotted them on my mapping software. They're not precisely aligned north - south. More or less, yes, but St Anthony's is too west. NGR obtained, by the way, from the NMS database.
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Texas Sandman,

Honey Island, Texas 27/10/2009 18:00:21
#31 Drum Mjor:
The Bruce's habouring the Templars was the reason that The Bruce -- and all of Scotland -- were excommunicated by King Philip's puppet Pope.
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Mcsnagpile,

27/10/2009 18:13:09
The Templar treasure is the first television set called the talking head, that gives the ten-0-clock news.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 27/10/2009 18:14:50
Come on, Crispin, open the box.

Take the money

Open the box

Take the money

Open the box.

What's the betting the box has already been opened?
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S MacLeod,

Highlands 27/10/2009 18:18:52
Mcsnagpile,

Talking head? very interesting perspective!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 27/10/2009 18:19:14
67, Texas Sandman. And there was me thinking that the Bruce was excommunicated for murdering the Red Commyn in a church.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/10/2009 22:28:05
66 also close to the north-south line I mentioned are Dryden Tower near Loanhead ( I climbed this curious tower many many moons ago, it's closed to the public due to it's dangerous state) and the Balmwell at Liberton
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/10/2009 22:29:53
67 - another myth: the Templars riding to the Scots Army's rescue at Bannockburn.
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Norm of Uig,

Keene, Ontario, Canada 27/10/2009 23:40:31
#57 and 65

You can fit 1.5 Texas' in the second largest Province in Canada, Ontario

So what?
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Herne the Hunter,

All of Scotland 28/10/2009 09:31:30
Michael Turnbull the great gravestone expert thinks its is a fake ,has he seen it? is he aware that it was buried under a wall that was built circa 1700. God preserve us from pseudo academics,with slick answers.

This is a fantastic find for Midlothian. Balintradoch (Hill or Settlement of the warrior )was the first land gifted to the Knights Templar or the Poor Fellow soldiers of Christ ever in June 1128,it was given to Hugues De Payen on his recruiting visit to Scotland that year by David the first of Scotland,this was confirmed by a thank you letter from Bernard of Clairvaux in December 1128 to David I prior to the Council of Troyes in February 1128-9 calends.
Making Balintradoch the first gifted and registered property of the Knights Templar,that is why it is important. The stone may or may not be Knight Templar I think it is probably too early to say. However it is early and important and Hysterical Scotland as well as the Ancients of Monuments should get their finger out and do something about it,this is an important piece of Scottish History from a very important site.
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F Scott Monument,

28/10/2009 13:48:38
N.B. By definition there were no Knights Templar in Scotland after the dissolution of the order. All recorded members were of continental (i.e. French) origin (i.e. not Scoto-Norman). The order was prosecuted in Scotland but only one knight was brought to trial during which William Sinclair (who was NOT a member of this order)gave evidence against him (possibly due to familial designs on their properties contiguous to his own)and the accused was subsequently entrusted to the care of the Scottish bishops. ALL Templar properties, including those at Ballantrodoch, were transferred to the ownership of the Knights of St John. The building of Roslyn Chapel commenced in the mid-15th century, over a hundred years after William's death in 1330 and replaced an earlier church from whence his remains, if his they be, were translated. The Sinclairs were Norman in origin and did not come into possession of their titles in Caithness and Sutherland until the late 14th century. Bruce was excommunicated, initially, for the murder of Comyn in Greyfriars' Kirk and from which he received personal absolution prior to the dissolution of the Knights Templar.
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Explorer,

longniddry 28/10/2009 19:34:45
The Templars were the subject of repeated accusations of heresy, idolatry and excessive secrecy. Urged on by King Philip IV of France, the Catholic Church authorities put the order of the Temple on trial between 1307 and 1312,
At the trial of the Templars in Scotland (held at Holyrood Abbey in December 1309) two knights based in Scotland were examined (both of them English). This is recorded in 'Processus factus contra Templarios in Scotia' (Spottiswoode Miscellany, 1845, vol. ii)
The trial (which could not be held with full solemnity because of the daily attacks of the Scottish patriots under Robert the Bruce) was held before Master John de Soleure (a chaplain to Pope Clement V) and William Lamberton, Bishop of the diocese of St Andrews.
Swearing on the Gospel book, Walter de Clifton, who had served ten years in the order, was the principal preceptor in Scotland, living at Balantradoch (Temple). His predecessor, John of Husefleet, had thrown off his habit and left the order. There was also another fugitive from the order, whose whereabouts were equally unknown, the Englishman Thomas Totti and also two others (both Englismen). William of Middleton, a Newcastle man, who had spent seven years as a Templar (five of them at Maryculter) was also examined, dressed in the habit of the order. Although forty-one witnesses were ordered to appear, sworn to tell the truth and legally examined (including abbots, priests and even domestic servants of the Templars and Sir Henry St Clair), their summarised report did not testify to any significant evidence of heresy or immorality, other than a culture of unnecessary secrecy, a tendency to avarice, an uncaring attitude towards the poor whom they neglected in favour of the great and the wealthy (for more see: Rosslyn Chapel Revealed')
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Explorer,

longniddry 28/10/2009 19:42:18
You can read all about the Trial of the Templars at The National Library of Scotland (Edinburgh)in The Spottiswoode miscellany: a collection of original papers and tracts, illustrative chiefly of the civil and ecclesiastical history of Scotland, vol.ii
Title: Processus factus contra Templarios in Scotia, 1309. Edited by James Maidment. Published: Edinburgh, 1845. Item: 39.4
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F Scott Monument,

29/10/2009 11:51:16
"Tricesimus Quintus ad 40 Testes - Item Willielmus de Preston, et Johannes de Wyggemer, senior, Willielmus de Sancto Claro...." ibid.
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DaviesIII,

Independence 29/10/2009 15:43:14
One wonders why the stone is not just uncovered in it's entirety, photographed, then those photos sent to scholars who would be able to translate the symbols instead of just guessing.
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Just an American,

Baltimore, MD, US 30/10/2009 04:07:14
Actually,,,

Here in the States,,, we have a NEW name for Jesus.....







Barrack Obama!!!!



I'm Just an American... and I approve this message
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Traveling Man and Companion,

Hudson Valley, USA 31/10/2009 14:10:02
Has anyone noticed that the circular patterns in this enlargement
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_03JMVYxiyBw/SohRpFzhwCI/AAAAAAAAHCY/G_P1lupE578/s1600-h/DSC_2649.jpg

bear a strange resemblance to henges?

Henges like Stonehenge were ways of marking the solar and lunar cycles. I believe knowledge of these cycles, and how they might affect us, has remained among some of us down through time. Perhaps this was part of the "hidden knowledge" that the Templars knew, a Wisdom that each of us is intimately part of the natural world.

It is interesting that we still mark these cycles today on our calendars, just that we don't seem to know why. Really- does it truly matter to you when the next full moon is, or exactly when the minute of equinox is?

As is said, the Sun rules the day and the Moon governs the night. We have become so engrossed in the material world that we no longer pay attention.
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2shiny4u,

Highlands 05/11/2009 00:29:21
William Turnbull did the fellow a favour - imagine your property being torn up by tourists, gravediggers, and treasure hunters, day and night. No rest, no privacy, no security! This area is known to have such graves everywhere, anyway.

Besides, plenty of such stones and slabs have already been seen exposed for many years at other locations, such as Kilmartin: http://www.skt.org.uk/CJdeM1314/Kilmartin.html
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AcuteEnigma,

California 13/11/2009 17:05:21
For an easier to read account of the "Processus Contra Templarios" (In Oxford's Bodleian Library) try Helen J Nicholson's new book
www.amazon.com/Knights-Templar-Trial-Templars-British/dp/0750946814


 

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