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More than 30 cyclists caught drunk behind the handlebars



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Published Date: 24 November 2008
MORE than 30 people have been charged with drink-cycling in the past five years in the Lothians, new figures have revealed.
A breakdown of alcohol-related offences shows that the number of charges as a whole remains at much the same level since 2003, with drink-driving accounting for the majority.

But six people were also convicted last year in the city of "drunk when
riding a bicycle" – an offence that does not require a breathalyser and has no set limit, but is judged on whether the cyclist is a danger to themselves or others.

The Conservatives' spokesman on licensing, Cllr Alastair Paisley, who regularly cycles from his Pentlands ward home to the City Chambers, said: "A lot of people would say cyclists on the city's streets cycle as if they are drunk, and certainly act it.

"I find cycling in the city centre dangerous enough without being under the influence of alcohol. You need full concentration to be able to survive."

The figures were released following a parliamentary question from Lothians Conservative MSP Gavin Brown to Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill.

It showed that in 2007-8 there were 2115 alcohol-related offences in the Lothians, with around half of those in Edinburgh, and the rest spread between East, West and Midlothian. There were 1436 convictions of drink-driving in the Lothians, which, although slightly lower than in 2006-7, is a figure that has remained roughly the same over the five-year period.

Byelaws introducing a ban on drinking in some public places resulted in 203 convictions across the region, while 264 were found guilty of "drunkenness".

A further 113 convictions arose from charging people with licences on a range of offences, including selling alcohol to under-agers. "Other" offences accounted for 93 convictions.

Cllr Paisley, who sits on the city's licensing board, said the culture in the country was slowly shifting to more of an intolerance of drunken behaviour.

Last month the Evening News revealed that, despite a tightening of licensing laws not only by the city council but also the police, double the amount of people who appear in court for selling alcohol to under-18s are found not guilty or cleared, rather than rumbled.

Leading councillors at that point criticised the courts for making a mockery of their rigorous policies.

And Cllr Paisley added: "I think public attitudes are now shifting. It does reach a certain point when people say enough is enough.

"The Scottish Government has this view of possibly raising the age, but then you can't have guys coming back from Iraq and unable to buy a pint.

"We are trying, but we need more from the courts. Every Friday you can go to any number of places and see youngsters with bottles of vodka and they obviously get it from somewhere.

"I'm disappointed these figures haven't dropped, given the toughening of the licensing board approach, but these things can take time."





The full article contains 498 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 24 November 2008 11:09 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Artemis,

24/11/2008 11:56:01
More than 30 in five years? How many more? 31? 32? 5000? What this article says is that in Lothian roughly one person is caught drink-cycling every two months, while 1436 people are convicted of drink-driving every year.

Why is the headline about cyclists when it's clear the danger comes from motorists?
2

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 11:59:32
Let the rabid outpourings commence.

2115 alcohol-related offences last year, of which 6 were cyclists. Now those 6 should obviously be dealt with, but proportionality in the reporting?
3

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 24/11/2008 12:00:24
#1Artemis: You are totally correct,and those drunk drivers pose a serious danger to others,while the drunk cyclists do not.
4

Skip McClendon,

24/11/2008 12:03:00
How do drunk cyclists not pose a danger to others? Being run over by a drunken bike would hurt a bit.

Drunken drivers are idiots, and are righly shunned by society and should be locked up. But that doesn't mean that drunken cyclists should get away with it either. Anyone drunk in charge of a vehicle, any vehicle, poses a potential danger to others.
5

Skip McClendon,

24/11/2008 12:03:45
Oops...I mean a drunk ON a bike. Seeing a drunken bike would be interesting. Mind you, I have known a few drunken bikes in my time...
6

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:04:21
I don't think ANYONE is saying drunk cyclists should get away with it, but they represent 0.2% of the offences here, do you think the headline has been chosen for a reason?

11 drink drive deaths a week, 1 in 6 of all deaths in the UK caused by drink drivers, and yet SIX people being caught drunk behind the handlebars is the headline????
7

K.R,

24/11/2008 12:04:55
and a drunk cyclist swerving about the road is nae bother at all?
personally I think cyclists should have to have some sort of insurence , they should be made to wear helmets and having personal sterieos on whislt cycling should be made illegal and they should have to pay a fine if they run a red light.
8

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:05:01
Or rather, '30' is the headline, but that's over 5 years, and in the last year it's 6...
9

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 24/11/2008 12:05:13
1. Because cycle rage is this months trams (as well as the trams).

Pathetic really. We cant have The Lads coming back from Iraq and unable to by bevvy, can we ?
10

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24/11/2008 12:06:42
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Artemis,

24/11/2008 12:07:03
#4 - you're right. But don't you think the slant of this article is all wrong? One cyclist every 2 month caught drunk cycling, no reports of anyone killed or injured by a drunk cyclist in 5 years. 1436 drunk drivers a year = 120 a month - 4 a day! More drunk drivers in a week than drunk cyclists in 5 years, but the headline and the whole start of the article is about drunk cyclists with the people who are the real danger - drunk drivers - getting a tiny sentence later on.
12

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:09:23
#7 This is simply a question of proportion. Would you also like pedestrians to have to wear helmets and not wear personal stereos as they are more likely to get injured than cyclists.
13

Skip McClendon,

24/11/2008 12:10:31
#11

No doubt the headline is opportunistic. Bit of mischief from the EEN trying to get us all to read the article, no doubt. Seems to have worked too.

No doubt that drunken driving is a bigger problem. Sadly, it's not really "news". A headline about the number of drunken drivers would probably have prompted fewer hits. And, on sites such as this, hits equal ad revenue.
14

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:11:55
The Evening News could save themselves a lot of work here. All they really need to do is print the word "cyclists" without bothering with a story.
15

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24/11/2008 12:12:38
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Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:13:32
The problem is, Skip, that this then backs up the bad feeling towards cyclists in general, fueling the belief that they're the real danger on roads.

It's pretty irresponsible reporting. 6 drunk cyclists compared to 1436 drunk drivers and the cyclists get the headline. You're right, it's entirely because we see drink driving as unnewsworthy. Until people start getting killed around Christmas.
17

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 12:13:37
How about :-

Cyclists all Bad

Cyclists to blame for N-power fiasco

Mountain Biker shot JFK from Grassy Knoll



18

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 12:15:47
More Than 6 Drunk Journalists in Holyrood Road not stopped every day.
19

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:17:21
Mr Balloon, thank you.

(although Mountain Bikes hadn't been invented when JFK was shot - there's a conspiracy against MTBs now!)
20

Vincent-W,

24/11/2008 12:18:02
What about the scourge of drunk pedestrians and wheelchair users?
21

Skip McClendon,

24/11/2008 12:18:15
#16

All very true. Sadly, if the journo had gone to the editor with the story about drink driving, it would probably have been spiked as it's not "new".

News-reporting is very rarely about reporting what is actually happening in proportion. It's too often about finding a new angle. If it's not "new", most people just ain't interested.
22

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/11/2008 12:28:07
At any one time, 64.3% of Edinburgh is intoxicated.
23

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 12:32:57
"The National Union of Journalists has shelved plans for company-wide industrial action across Johnston Press after concluding an agreement with the company for greater consultation about future restructuring plans.

Major job cutbacks earlier this year at JP centres in Sheffield and Edinburgh raised the prospect of a nationwide dispute......

Despite the agreement, the NUJ is planning to run a survey of Johnston Press members to assess the level of stress faced by journalists on the company's titles in a bid to ascertain the degree to which cutbacks are posing a risk to people's health and safety.

Mr Dear said: "Johnston press has a duty of care to its employees. We must ensure that stress levels aren’t endangering our members’ health and wellbeing."

The poor dears are stressed and cant think straight.





http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/news/081112jpdeal.shtml
24

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:33:32
More to the point how many were charged and what were the punishments? As far as I can see too many bicyclists break traffic laws every day in the City without much hassle from the polis.

Compulsory road testing, annual licencing and insurance would be a start.
25

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:34:31
That is cyclists not NUJ members..
26

Dorian,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:36:28
I am going to make a rash and sweeping generalisation here, but cyclists mount pavements and cycle through red lights and cycle on parts of edinburgh that are clearly signed as "NO CYCLING". This is when they are sober.

If cars began going the wrong way down one-way streets, going through red lights when it suited them, driving on the pavement, driving at night with their lights off, overtaking on the inside when they can see a car in front with it's indicator on etc, there would be an uproar. But as far as I am aware they don't, cyclists do, all the time.
27

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:36:33
Mallory, at what age should cyclists be allowed to ride bikes and sit the test?

(I have insurance, maybe I should start flying a flag stating this as I cycle and get treated better on the road, or would cyclists still be treated with the same contempt?)
28

Calum Crubag,

24/11/2008 12:37:50
Actually agree with the Tory - moronic drivers make the roads dangerous enough without having your judgement clouded by drink.

However, i wonder how many journalists turn up at work under the influence? The Evening News particularly has a bad rep for 'jakie journos'.
29

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:38:22
Yep, like you say Dorian, 'rash and sweeping generalisation'. All drivers break the speed limit, speak on their mobiles while driving and turn without indicating.

My sweeping generalisation is no less or more true than yours.

6 drunk cyclists compared to 1436 drunk drivers is a bit more solid though...
30

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:38:53
If an ordinary person gets drunk it isn't news, but it would be news if a prominent anti-drinking campaigner did.

Cyclists (some of them, anyway - to qualify my remarks for the benefit of Artemis and Anth as well as in the interests of fairness) are inclined to claim the moral high ground and to portray themselves as being better, more worthy, more responsible and more law-abiding than other people. It's therefore news when some of them are found not to be.
31

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 12:39:04
26 Some do Dorian , a small minority but you already knew that.

Dont jump on this tabloid p!sh please.
32

Calum Crubag,

24/11/2008 12:40:02
#26 - ALL cyclists? Some drivers do these things too.

Now, here's a scientific question. Would you rather be hit by a bike or a car? Is the cyclist more at risk than the driver of a car, inside his metal box?

Yeah, some cyclists break the law but don't pretend cycles are just as deadly as cars!!!
33

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 12:44:26
Well at the end of the day we're never going to live in some sort of Utopia where no-one ever breaks the law and all sections of society are treated and respected equally.

In the meantime , the best thing we can do with trash articles like this is to laugh at the sheer crass stupidity of them.
34

It's heading straight for us!,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:49:34
Oh for gods sake this is just the EN trying to wind up its readers again and get a nice discussion going which of course idiots like Allknowing fall for.

EN please just remove the comments function on your website - its not funny any more and its just a mouthpiece for sad little idiots (ok i know ive just commented but to be honest ill give up that priveledge if it means i dont have to read any more anti tram, cyclist, snp, council, anything else that comes to mind drivel)
35

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/11/2008 12:54:05
People complaining about being able to complain? Nicht verstehen.
36

Skip McClendon,

24/11/2008 12:57:21
#34

Will never happen. Newspaper sites LOVE comments functions on their sites, because it encourages people to come back again and again, thus increasing hits on the page.

And, as noted above, more hits on the page equals more revenue from advertisers.

In essence, the EEN (and other newspaper sites) really don't care what we say, as long as we keep coming here to say it, making them a few quid in the process.
37

The Jenny whine Mario n’ Tony net,

24/11/2008 13:03:57
#36

We have other ways as well to increase postings.
38

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 13:07:16
36

a few quid being the operative phrase. The vast majority of JP income is from advertising (and there aint a hell of a lot from advertising at the moment).

Have a look at the Yorkshire Post "mirror site" nobody posts on that. Perhaps we should (snigger). got to be better than this.
39

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 13:13:06
This is blatant anti cycling propaganda !!!!

There is NO set limit, and no requirement to breathalyse, so how can anyone sday that these cyclists were drunk ????

Surely this is obviously an orchestrated attempt to blacken the name of Edinburgh's cyclists, a conspiracy in fact.

All the cyclists I know, and I only make friends with commited cyclists, are very moral people, with a highly tuned & inate sense of right & wrong and with the good of society at the forefront of their mind.

This sort of smear tactics by the car lovers sickens me
40

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24/11/2008 13:33:24
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 13:34:24
Let's see what happens once the trams are in place and the drunk cyclists get their wheels stuck in the tram lines. Should be a good laugh!

Oops! I forgot. It's not a tram system, it's a light railway system so cyclists will be segregated.
42

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 13:37:35
The biggest problem I have on the roads is people throwing red and green turtle shells at me. The red ones are a lot worse than the green ones, which seldom hit me.

The best defence is to have a string of bananas hanging out the back of your car. Failing that a, red box with a question mark on it.
43

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/11/2008 13:44:42
I was out last night throwing red and green turtle shells at passing cyclists. I had been drinking too much Coca-Cola and was suffering from an intense sugar rush. I'm sorry if I hit you.
44

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24/11/2008 13:50:46
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Edin,

24/11/2008 13:51:07
Listen all of you..Why are you all so thick. It isnt just about a cyclist raming into soemone , but the fact they are on the road and could cycle out infront of a car and cause disaster. And someoen have to live with killing a cyclist all because he could keep to the side of the road............................!!!!!!!!!
46

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 13:54:15
45 Obviuosly you have never skidded on a banana thrown by a wreckless driver just after you have gone over a turbo pad.

On a lighter note Edin , even you should be able to work out that drunk drivers outnumbered drunk cylists by over 50-1 .
47

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24/11/2008 13:54:23
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48

KenM,

24/11/2008 13:54:42
#45 I think it's time for your medication.
49

Adso,

24/11/2008 13:54:47
#6 "1 in 6 of all deaths in the UK caused by drink drivers"

Is this true? That is a remarkable statistic.

Seriously, why is everyone getting so excited? This is a throw away story surely. I think that drink-cycling is seldolmly heard of - thus the wee story on it, no?

These are not exactly cats iron stats, proportionally how many of each are tested? How many drivers would pass the 'drunk' test used for cycling? So it's really comparing apples and pears.

IMO, as both driver and cyclist, drink driving = dangerous, drink-cycling = stupidity!
50

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 13:55:21
Catherine wheels is my auntie.
51

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/11/2008 13:58:28
45.

I agre wtith you. Why we are all so thik?
52

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 13:58:35
49

Recent studies have shown that 0% of cats iron , but 6 out of 10 preferred it to dusting.
53

sdfsdfs\fwaf,

24/11/2008 13:59:07
I'd rather share the streets with drunk cyclists than sober motorists.
54

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24/11/2008 13:59:07
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everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:00:00
45

A cyclist couldnt cause a disaster. A disaster would be something like the 1906 Earthquake in San Francisco, or the 2004 Tsunami. It might cause a short term chaos, or even a minor fiasco but not a disaster Edin.
56

Edin,

23 24/11/2008 14:00:49
Nope , dont want to try harder. Cyclist's are just people who cant afford a car! Shouldn't be allowed on the road. And drunk cyclists are people who cant afford a taxi and who are students..full stop .
57

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:02:44
56

I dont know if i told you this before Edin but you are an empty headed runt.
58

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:02:51
face bothered..mwahaha. Get a job you eh!
59

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:05:03
Awww everything you do is probably a Balloon. Dont be like that. Its notmy fault you are old and ugly! And have nothing to do in the afternoon but this or your job is so mince that you get pleasure from being a wierdo on this !! awwwwwww shame. I feel sorry for you.
60

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24/11/2008 14:05:19
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24/11/2008 14:06:29
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everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:07:52
Edin ; I bagged off with you last week. It was rubbish. You said you were a model.
63

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:08:18
Easily confused there are ya old boy ! Dont worry its slang us kids use these days.. Go check out facebook. Its were nobody cares about the little meaningless things in life.
64

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:08:38
but you're right my job is mince.
65

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:08:43
I cannot believe this.
Here wqe are trying to have an adult discussion, about the smearing of the good name of cyclists in Edinburgh, and all you can do is make lame "in jokes".

It makes me spit feathers to see perfectly sensible threads being hijacked by mormons.

I can't wait until the oil runs out, I wont stop to help any of you lot as you sit at the side of the road and cry.

For good ness sake we are talking about the future of the Universe here
66

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:09:17
ewwww. Dont say creepy things like that. blahhhhhhhhhhhh
67

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24/11/2008 14:10:15
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Edin,

24/11/2008 14:10:35
Why would we sit at the side of the road and cry? Why wouldnt we just walk or jump into a taxi or a bus!!
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24/11/2008 14:10:46
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:11:15
Hell & dalmation
71

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:12:18
Did you have a bike when you were a child 4 years ago Edin ? yes or no ?

Can i buy you a pony ?
72

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:13:14
I am turning purple with rage
73

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:13:31
yes or no goddamit. No use sitting in the gutter crying .
74

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:14:12
The pope used to kiss the ground and weep.
75

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:18:13
I am sooo glad that I don't need a wasteful technological based society for my mode of transport.

I commute everyday on my eco cycle from Dundee to Edinburgh, which is absolutely untainted with madern technology, the frame is made of willow, the wheels of cane ,the tyres of seaweed and the chain is made of plaited grass
76

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:18:27
I have a bike now at my country house. Go cycling every weekend
77

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:19:37
I'll be ok when the oil runs out, oh yes indeedy buddy, lets see who'll be laughing on the other side of their cheek then !
78

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:23:27
None of you will have any hope of survival, as you will all have forgotten the wisdom of our forepersons, I have equipped myself with the necessary skills, both physical and spiritual. I can see a fufture where wandering cycle druids travel the lay lines between ancient cultural sites, cycling ower hil & dale as countless generations have dome since the dawn of time
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24/11/2008 14:24:17
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Edin,

24/11/2008 14:25:42
Eh I dont know what you mean. I just bought it!!
81

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:25:55
78
drunk.
82

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:27:11
And i am 23! Dont have kids Foo - l
83

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:27:15
Drunk, drunk , you say, drunk !!!!me ?
Drunk, how very dare you
84

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:30:06
My scabby pony
Oh I love my scabby pony
We have adventures in the hoose
I hope to get my scabby pony training ground for christmas
and My First Scabby Pregnancy testing Kit also
85

Edin,

24/11/2008 14:31:58
hmm ofsky
86

roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:32:45
#84 is definately inebi, ind=e, inebrt, damm it drunk
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:33:23
aha run away from the logic that is cycling
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24/11/2008 14:34:45
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Bertie The Bat,

24/11/2008 14:34:52
Only 30? Thats not many. Whats all the fuss about?
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everything you do is probably a Balloon,

24/11/2008 14:38:43
I look forward to the day when we cant see the road or the cats eyes for reeking cyclists. Perhaps if we had more steaming bikers then the world would be a more amusing place.
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:48:35
Well TBH I can't see any problem with cyclists "deep in their cups". If there is no alcohol limit,and no requirement to breathalyse, then "ipso facto" there has been no crime commited.
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 14:55:21
sorry meant "dipso facto" hic
93

Linmal,

Livingston 24/11/2008 14:56:28
#3 Drunk cyclists do not pose a threat to pedestrians? Who are you trying to kid. Sober cyclists pose a threat to pedestrians, never mind drunk ones. I was crossing Charlotte Square one morning, half way across to be precise when I was nearly knocked down by a guy on a bike who approached me from behind. He did not ring his bell, just shouted obscenities as he passed. Did he think I had eyes in the back of my head or something? I'm fed up with ill-mannered, arrogant and selfish cyclists. Its time they realised that they are not above the law any more than anyone else.
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alex patersons English teacher,

24/11/2008 15:03:20
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Nina Soemone was killed by a drunk cyclist, wow that no good man and all that jazz.
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:05:30
#93 pedestrans wander all over the road nilly nilly as if in a zombie coma, every drunk cyclepist knows that
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24/11/2008 15:26:04
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Brad,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 15:26:32
#93, most people are "nearly knocked down" all the time.
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Brad,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 15:26:59
#96, Nina Who?
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Frankly Mister Shankly,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 15:34:35
93
How do you know the cyclist wasn't drunk?
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:36:04
good point #99, there get out that #93, if you can !
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Frankly Mister Shankly,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 15:38:32
100
Indeed, if people are going to tell us their stories, they could at least check all their facts first. Makes my blood boil I tell you.
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:43:28
Indeedly it does,people come on here making totally unfounded accusations, I suspect some of them may be a tad bit tipsy themsleves, you know
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:43:50
pot kettle, wink wink
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:45:50
I mean who amosgst us has not at some time, partaken of the fruit of the vine ?
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:46:46
it is hard to resit, is it not ? one wee drop follows another, until you feel all warm and snuzzly indise
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:48:22
there are fewer better things to do, with your time, and how are epole meanto get home ? Imean, after ther pubsare shutted and the money is spenedded, you need to gethome
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:51:10
I met a very nicee young polican, policeman today,

" good consternoon aftable " I said

He never suspevted ihad had a little one
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:53:38
I wonder has anyone seen a bright yellow muintain bike near chalotte sqaure ? I chained it to a bus earlier and now I cnat find it
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 15:53:38
I wonder has anyone seen a bright yellow muintain bike near chalotte sqaure ? I chained it to a bus earlier and now I cnat find it
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alex patersons English teacher,

24/11/2008 16:16:01
96.

just nina, everything you do is probably a read 99 Balloons
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Black Five,

edinburgh 24/11/2008 16:34:41
Now we know it must be the drink that makes them colour blind as they clearly do not seem to know the red light at traffic signals.
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Artemis,

24/11/2008 16:48:06
Dear Evening News - could you please retitle this story to "Lothian motorists 240x more likely to be drunk driving than Lothian cyclists are to be drunk cycling"?
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roadstohell,

24/11/2008 16:57:10
#112 that's boring and not newsworthy, now 30 drunk cyclists that's different
114

Niko Bellic,

24/11/2008 18:25:45
About 40% of cyclists behave like they're drunk.
115

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 19:17:58
In reply to Anth (#27)

When the cyclist is able to pass a test to show that they are competant. Until they do they should be banned from public roads (pavements and footpaths)
116

Journalistic licence,

24/11/2008 19:55:12
"More than 30 cyclists caught drunk behind the handlebars"
Where's the story in this? Has no-one been in the Handle Bar? It has a licence to sell drink so why the headline when someone has possibly overdone it and has gone behind the bar wearing lycra and a helmet?
117

is it me?,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 20:41:30
Officer to drunk cyclist:

"OK. What's your name?"

"Isabel"

"Isabel what?"

"Isabel neshessary on a bishickle? He he hic"

SMACK !

"ooyah"
118

Niko Bellic,

24/11/2008 21:19:39
I applied to be a Uni cyclist but they said I don't have enough UCAS points, a stupid scarf, or a natty pair of student shoes.
119

rs,

in ma house 24/11/2008 22:11:14
26 Dorian, Edinburgh 24/11/2008 12:36:28
....."If cars began going the wrong way down one-way streets, going through red lights when it suited them, driving on the pavement, driving at night with their lights off,"

Dorian this already happens You missed

Using there Hazards for no reason,

leaving there Fog Lights (blinding other road users).

Overtaking other road users and then cutting them up as they make a left turn.

Classic one is when they overtake cyclists, then they suddenly realise that there is a car coming the other way and cut the cyclist up.

Park in bus stops, making it hard for wheelchair users and the infirm to get off the bus,
Despite there being miles of free road space either side of the bus stop.... but hey its saved them walking 2 yards.
120

Julian.,

edinburgh 24/11/2008 22:14:47
Skip,

I agree with the rest of the comments. These offences are miniscule, there is no mention of anyone having been even injured by a drunk cyclist, and the numbers have stayed the same as they were previously.

A total non-article designed to provoke a bit discussion because of it's novelty value...in which it has succeeded.
121

Niko Bellic,

24/11/2008 22:41:38
Could I get fifteen cans of Guinness and a stupid helmet please.
122

beam,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 01:32:51
what a useless article. let's find some more useless facts...like how many squirrels have been found intoxicating while roaming the botanical garden.
123

The real dracula,

25/11/2008 04:14:37
To the people who think drunken cyclists are not a danger ,,,,they certainely are weaving in front of a car and ending up getting run over.
I would guess the numbers for drunk cyclists are far higher , its just rarer they are caught and breathalised.
And drunk drvers are the scum of the earth
124

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 08:09:51
My heart was warmed this morning on my way to work by seeing an ordinary-looking middle-aged bloke on an unfashionable-looking bike. He was wearing ordinary clothes - no flashy helmet or poncy lycra - and he stopped at the exit from a side street and looked carefully left and right while waiting for a suitable moment to join the stream of traffic.

That's how cyclists used to be, back in the days before people started disliking them.
125

Linmal,

Livingston 25/11/2008 09:04:41
#124 - Hear hear! Years ago it was commonplace to see people cycling to work. The roads, of course, were not so busy then and people had better manners generally. What is wrong now is that everyone thinks that the other person is wrong. It is your duty to take care, be you pedestrian, cyclist or motorist. Look before you cross the road and take care when cycling or driving on it. And is it too much to ask for people to have manners. Also cyclists, pavements are for PEDESTRIANS please do not ride your bike on them and expect pedestrians to jump out of the way. This is why people have become so anti-cyclist. You can change all this and its not hard to do.

And as for being drunk in charge of your bike - this is just as dangerous as a drunk motorist. Why? Because you will not be taking care on the road and could be run over and equally not taking care and could knock down a pedestrian.
126

Artemis,

25/11/2008 09:47:04
Perhaps Adam Morris and his sub-editor are hoping for a career at the Daily Mail.
127

Stat,

25/11/2008 10:25:00
Its a shame the Edinburgh News didn't bother to publish the question itself, nor to accurately report the answer.
Gavin Brown MSP's asked for figures for alcohol-related offences in the Lothians Region over the last 5 years, broken down into local authority area and type of offence.

Over the last 5 years there were 35 cyclists convicted of being drunk when riding a bicycle. The number of drunk driving convictions was 7393.

These figures highlight a shameful bias and misreporting in the article, and cast doubt on the accuracy and professionalism of reporting elsewhere in the paper, under the same editorial policy.
128

Artemis,

25/11/2008 22:51:57
#125 - what can I do? I don't cycle on the pavements, or jump red lights, or cycle drunk. I wear hi-viz and use lights when it's dark, but allknowing still thinks he can call me scum. I have no control over what other cyclists do - why should I be the target of aggression on the roads (aggression which can put my life at risk) just because my chosen form of transport is often a bike? Why are people anti-all cyclists and why do so many people think it's ok to abuse all cyclists because of the actions of a minority?

Look at the article. One cyclist every 2 months charged with (but not convicted) of drunk cycling and 120 motorists convicted of drunk driving every month. Why so much bile against cyclists? It's clear who the real risk comes from.
129

Artemis,

25/11/2008 22:52:56
That should say "one cyclist every 2 months charged with (but not necessarily convicted)of drunk cycling".
130

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 09:47:59
> Why so much bile against cyclists? <


131

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 09:48:08
1) Cyclists regularly and unapologetically trespass on space designated for pedestrians, while motorists don't.

2) Bikes are silent and difficult to see, especially when coming up behind you. Cars are easy to hear and see.

3) Cyclists used to indicate their proximity with a bell, which they no longer do.

4) Some cyclists have an arrogant and smug attitude, as if they were better than pedestrians or motorists.

5) Cyclists are often impatient young adults who seem to have a "boy-racerish" attitude both to the clothes they wear (helmets, yellow jackets, lycra shorts, etc - neither pedestrians nor motorists wear special clothes, but cyclists do) and to cycling itself. Children, and middle-aged or elderly cyclists, don't attract the same antagonism.

6) People often perceive cyclists as being likely to be a certain type of person - a left-wing environmentalist and Guardian reader, rather puritanical and likely to vote Green or Liberal Democrat. If you are this sort of person yourself, you will tend therefore to warm to cyclists, but if you are not, cyclists will tend to irritate you.
132

CycleStatMan,

26/11/2008 17:59:03
What we have here is either:

a) A statistically and mathematically incompetent combination of Journalist and sub-editor.
b) A calculated campaign by the paper to malign cyclists.

Fancy putting 5 years statistics up for one type of road user and only 1 year for another, then comparing them. How imbecilic is that, especially when the 5 year figure for the second set of road users was put in the written answer!

No, this is far more likely to be a campaign by the Evening News against cyclists. After all, the Evening News gets a significant advertising income from the motor industry, so why wouldn't there be some money inspired hate bias? Hmmm?

And for anyone who says 'Oh, it is just a new story', just look at the hate filled posts on here from hate filled motorists that actually consider themselves to be human. I guess the Editor has a framed quotation above his desk:

"Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
133

CycleStatMan,

26/11/2008 18:04:41
WRT to the hate filled motorists, out of the woodwork comes Urban Guerrilla, the most inappropriately named poster on here.

How about "Reactionary Selfish Curmudgeon" as a user name? It would fit you better.
134

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 18:32:18
#133, why do you call me selfish? I'm not a cyclist.
135

CycleStatMan,

26/11/2008 22:38:30
I read you post number 131 and saw the outburst of a selfish person.

That's why.
136

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 07:46:47
What on earth is selfish about wishing that cyclists would obey the rules of the road (and the pavements) and bear in mind that pedestrians often find cyclists difficult to see and hear when they approach (especially from behind, or from round a corner)?

Although cyclists are, in practice, above the law, in a fair world they wouldn't be and would be subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else. How nice it would be if cyclists showed the same respect for pedestrians as they expect motorists and pedestrians to show for them.
137

jester,

Somewhere Else 27/11/2008 17:19:25
As a cyclist, and a car driver (though not at the same time) I'd like to know, are there any statistics on the amount of pedestrians injured while inebriated?
138

CycleStatMan,

27/11/2008 18:50:42
#136.

I didn't expect you to understand. Have a look at the definition of selfish. It clearly describes you.
139

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 19:59:52
#138, no, I don't understand. What is selfish about wishing that cyclists would obey the rules of the road (and the pavements) and that they would bear in mind that pedestrians often find cyclists difficult to see and hear when they approach (especially from behind, or from round a corner)?

Please explain.
140

Artemis,

28/11/2008 17:58:06
Please explain why you are unable to accept that the cyclists you describe are the minority.
141

Artemis,

28/11/2008 17:59:02
And when you've done that, please explain why you're so aerated about lawbreaking cyclists and so not bothered by lawbreaking motorists, who actually have the potential to do much more damage.

 

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