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Modern-day pupils 'behave better than children did in the 1970s'



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Published Date: 25 November 2008
CHILDREN in primary schools are better behaved in class than their counterparts 30 years ago, according to new research.
The long-term study found a "fairly steady" upward trend in behaviour. However, the results contradict recent statistics that showed violent attacks by pupils were rising.

Brian Apter, one of the educational psychologists involved in the new r
esearch, said the the improvement was due to better teaching and greater verbal encouragement.

He said that had helped pupils pay more attention in class, with a particular improvement since the 1980s. However, he added it was difficult to make comparisons to classroom behaviour prior to the 1970s.

The findings were based on observations of more than 70 educational psychologists in 141 classrooms across the country.

Key to the improvement were teachers and their constant verbal engagement with pupils, which has been described as a "motormouth" approach. The technique means pupils are less likely to be distracted or behave badly in lessons.

Mr Apter, a district senior educational psychologist at Wolverhampton City Council, said: "Primary teachers work incredibly hard now.

"It's something that educational psychologists often comment upon. They are engaging pupils around the classroom; they seem very much compelled to get results."

The study of students and teacher behaviour in primary classrooms was presented by Mr Apter at a psychology conference in Glasgow. It was based on how many pupils in a class were following the teacher's instructions and how many were not.

However, teachers' unions have long said the biggest challenge for staff is disruptive and violent behaviour from pupils.

Figures obtained through the Freedom of Information Act last month revealed the total number of recorded incidents, including verbal abuse, had risen by 4.3 per cent last year.

Physical attacks on teachers and pupils rose by 2.2 per cent between 2005-6 and 2006-7.

The highest number of violent acts was in Aberdeen, with 485 incidents last year.

Other areas that saw a sharp increases were Highland, with 149 incidences of physical violence reported last year, against 79 in 2005-6, and Borders, which saw a rise from 19 incidents in 2005-6 to 164 last year.

A spokesman for Aberdeen City Council attributed the high incident rate to the "scrupulous reporting" by teachers of any attacks, however minor.

Similarly, a spokeswoman from Glasgow City Council said its low incident rate – eight incidents in 2006-7 against 64 the previous year – could be due to teachers not reporting every minor attack.

A spokesman for the EIS teaching union said at the time: "The Scottish Government and local authorities must acknowledge this serious problem and take urgent action."

But he warned a far greater problem for schools and teachers was persistent, low-level indiscipline by pupils.

The Scottish Government said the next national behaviour-in-schools survey would be more extensive and the results of that would be provided by 2009.


BACKGROUND

POLICE officers have been based at several schools across Scotland in increasing numbers to help improve behaviour.

Northfield Academy in Aberdeen was one of the first schools to introduce the measure.

Supporters say it can dramatically improve pupil behaviour and change the "us and them" attitude of some pupils towards police.

There are now about 46 "campus cops" working in at least 50 schools across 11 local authorities, with many planning to expand numbers.

However, the scheme has attracted criticism.

Members of the EIS, Scotland's biggest teaching union, last summer voted overwhelmingly for tougher limits on the powers of campus cops amid fears teachers were being used as informers.

Recent financial constraints have forced councils to consider cutting back on the scheme as most of them have contributed to the cost.



The full article contains 624 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 24 November 2008 9:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Teaching
 
1

U. Lukenatmepal?,

25/11/2008 05:25:01
Er, let's get this straight. In the 70s there were no 'campus cops', and (hold the front page!) primary school students were at times unruly. In the Noughties, there are increasing numbers of campus cops being deployed to schools and purely coincidentally, student behaviour has 'improved'. Only a complete moron, or a Scotsman sub-editor if different, could have written the above headline to this non-story.
2

W Smith,

Middle East 25/11/2008 05:52:47
Yes comrades, look at how socialism in Scotland is forging a better future.

Soon there will be no more crime as children are taught to be good responsible humanitarian socialists.

As for #1, this person requires re-education as one who dares to doubt the positive effects of this glorious revolutioanry socialism, put into practice by our equally glorious Scottish Labour Party.

Onwards and upwards!
3

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 07:46:30
#1 and #2,

It is quite possible that the majority of children behave better and that a minority behave worse at the same time.

In rugby terms, I suspect that simultaneously catching the ball and running are beyond you two.
4

paulr,

edinburgh 25/11/2008 08:37:34
"educational psychologist "-------
dictionary definition :
touchy feely whining clown, who panders to bad behaviour and is known for gullibility and stupidity.
5

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25/11/2008 09:11:57
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25/11/2008 09:12:50
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Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 09:14:47
paulr,

Sorry chummy, my dictionary doesn't say that at all


Here's the proper definition:-

A professional who works in the field of psychology that deals with the psychological aspects of teaching and formal learning processes.



On the other hand here's a dictionary definition of troll:-

A troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]


Get back under the bridge and stay there, lest you get a pair of goat horns up yer bahookie.
8

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 09:17:14
Vote UKIP,

What's the collective noun for a group of trolls?
9

Unimpressed one,

25/11/2008 10:27:33
#8, Bottom feeders, celebrally challenged - Trollobites?
10

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 10:39:00
UO,

A Dirge of Trolls?
A Bilge of Trolls?
A Scrotum of Trolls?
A Discharge of Trolls?
11

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 10:41:59
A Ukip of Trolls!
12

Calum Crubag,

25/11/2008 12:44:26
Interesting to see UKIP advocating child abuse. Wonder why he's so keen on beating others' kids.

As a 70s kid - we got belted and still misbehaved. Most schools aren't worse today.The main difference is that they include many kids with varying disabilties, some mental. Given these challenging circumstances, behaviour isn't as bad as it could be.

Maybe if we took some of the kids of ned/junkie parents away from their parents and communities, we'd see a better society.
13

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 13:01:37
Calum,

Again I find myself agreeing with you. These reactionary fools live in the past - the overwhelming majority of modern day PS kids are brilliant. I know I've had four of my own and spent thousands of hours with hundreds of other peoples kids.

I wouldn't let the neanderthals like Vote UKIP above anywhere near kids.

In fact only this weekend I think I met Mrs UKIP beating her Grandson for 'bad behaviour' (skipping and laughing) and I had to intervene. A lovely little boy being spoiled by a brutal idiot woman who thinks punching kids for not following her daft demands is OK.
14

fife runner,

25/11/2008 14:02:34
so why more asaults and more being excluded? one report must be wrong. I tend to support the teachers on the front line who are reporting the disruption NOT academics from unis who do not see the day to day issues.
15

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 14:14:24
14 fife runner,

You can have the majority being better and a minority being worse simultaneously and at the same time!!

Ed Pychs are in schools every day and spend most of their working days with children!
16

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 14:19:26
Fife runner - if you had actually read the article you would have seen that the observations of 141 Ed Pychs across the country - not Uni based research.

How much time do you spend in the classroom?
17

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 25/11/2008 16:50:27
5 - nonsense. Even in the days when you could get a ''clip around the ear'' we weren't any better behaved. I was in Primary School in the seventies and we were little beasts at times.

However, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, I am sure that especially disruptive children or ones with special needs that affected their behaviour were taken out of the mainstream system ?
18

Vincent-W,

25/11/2008 17:49:22
Observer,

The trolls have seeded their disgusting posts and are now away - don't waste your time on them.

btw did you read the article about the Capital nursery being named the best in Britain? Do you know, there's not a riding crop or strap in sight! How do you think they manage to control the children?

I was in Primary School in the 60's, corporal punishment was so rare that I cannot remember a single incident. I went to five state Primary Schools (Dad in the Forces) and the behaviour was typically excellent, just as it is in my children's school now.

Strangely the least well behaved children always came from the homes of parents who used corporal punishment the most.
19

radge dug,

25/11/2008 18:16:03
Aye, kids were still bad when they got belted. Why should some UKIP conservative pervs get their kicks battering kids?
20

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 26/11/2008 08:56:12
Vincent - I see you are going around calling everyone a 'troll' who has a different opinion to yourself.

May I suggest that a public forum where people, (shock, horror) have varied views , is probably not the place for you, since you can't seem to handle people having a different opinion to yourself.

Grow up Vincent & get some manhood, and recognise this. Or keep on bleating about 'trolls' and make yourself look like a prize idiot as you can't handle people thinking differently to yourself.
21

Vincent-W,

26/11/2008 09:12:33
Cauchy Riemann - You're talking rubbish. These individuals have posted their poison and left. There's no debate, no discussion, no elucidation, nothing. They deserve nothing but vociferous and vehement condemnation. They conform perfectly to the definition I posted above - what's more I've given perfectly reasoned and reasonable posts countering their ludicrous assertions.

May I suggest you post your opinion on the topic in hand instead of making personal attacks? What's 'manhood' got to do with it? Do you need 'manhood' to beat other peoples kids?

Getting back on topic - Do you agree or disagree with the article? What's your views on the efficacy of corporal punishment? What do you know about this research?
22

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 26/11/2008 10:13:27
Vincent - you are the one making personal attacks on anyone voicing a different opinions to yourself.

Examples:
"In rugby terms, I suspect that simultaneously catching the ball and running are beyond you two."

"A Dirge of Trolls?
A Bilge of Trolls?
A Scrotum of Trolls?
A Discharge of Trolls?"

"The trolls have seeded their disgusting posts and are now away"

"Get back under the bridge and stay there, lest you get a pair of goat horns up yer bahookie." etc

As stated - if you are so sensitive that you can't cope with people having a different opinion to yourself, then these forums aren't for you.

Your posts on this thread simply make you look like a prize idiot.
23

Vincent-W,

26/11/2008 10:21:38
Cauchy,

OK you've made your point - now what do you have to say on the topic?
24

Vincent-W,

26/11/2008 10:33:59
Cauchy - any views on teh following reasoned and reasonable posts?

1. It is quite possible that the majority of children behave better and that a minority behave worse at the same time.

2. Here's the proper definition (of an Ed Psych):-

A professional who works in the field of psychology that deals with the psychological aspects of teaching and formal learning processes.

3. the overwhelming majority of modern day PS kids are brilliant. I know I've had four of my own and spent thousands of hours with hundreds of other peoples kids.

4. In fact only this weekend I think I met Mrs UKIP beating her Grandson for 'bad behaviour' (skipping and laughing) and I had to intervene. A lovely little boy being spoiled by a brutal idiot woman who thinks punching kids for not following her daft demands is OK.

5. You can have the majority being better and a minority being worse simultaneously and at the same time!! Ed Pychs are in schools every day and spend most of their working days with children!

6. did you read the article about the Capital nursery being named the best in Britain? Do you know, there's not a riding crop or strap in sight! How do you think they manage to control the children?

I was in Primary School in the 60's, corporal punishment was so rare that I cannot remember a single incident. I went to five state Primary Schools (Dad in the Forces) and the behaviour was typically excellent, just as it is in my children's school now.

Strangely the least well behaved children always came from the homes of parents who used corporal punishment the most.



Also why have you failed to attack others eg;

1. paulr's definition isn't exactly non abusive, is it?

2. "Vote UKIP - Why can't strangers smack other people's kids anymore? There are many kids that I'd like to whack for being noisy and rude." - do you condone this?

3. Unimpressed one,25/11/2008 10:27:33
#8, Bottom feeders, celebrally challenged - Trollobites?

4. radge dug,25/11/200

 

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