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Published Date: 24 October 2008
IN HER first general election, Magdalena Gutierrez was keen to follow her parents' lead in casting an early ballot for her choice of president.
Yet as the 21-year-old student entered the polling booth at a library near Miami on Wednesday – Americans are allowed to vote early if they wish – another family tradition fell by the wayside.

Ms Gutierrez, one of a growing and increasingly vocal generation of Florida's young Cuban-Americans, chose to turn her back on the hardline Republican politics synonymous with the exiles' community and vote instead for the Democratic Party's candidate, Barack Obama.

"I want a president who's going to stand up for me, my 15-year-old sister and my friends, and who has something to offer my generation," said Ms Gutierrez, who was born in Miami in 1987, five years after her father fled Fidel Castro's Cuba.

By itself, her vote will count for little, given that she accepts both her parents are supporting John McCain. But there are indications of a wider seeping of support from the Republicans' traditionally solid power-bases in Florida, leaving the party's outlook in the Sunshine State looking just a little more cloudy. Mr McCain knows that if he is beaten here, he cannot hope to win the White House. And the latest polls give Mr Obama a narrow advantage in a state carried by George W Bush in each of the last two campaigns.

The state carries 27 electoral college votes for whoever takes it – a large number that will be vital in getting to the magical US-wide figure of 270, the number that delivers up the White House.

Florida, of course, has history when it comes to presidential elections. Many Democrats are still bitter over the 2000 debacle, when thousands of votes went uncounted, they allege, and Mr Bush was eventually declared the winner by a Supreme Court ruling. The state will again be under the spotlight as a key battleground for other reasons – its unique and diverse racial make-up, and the expectation of a remarkably high turnout.

Some experts predict that 80 per cent of more than 11 million eligible voters will have cast a ballot by the time the polls close on November 4, inspired in part by a blitz of television advertising that saw Mr Obama outspend his rival more than three to one.

"No other state has quite the racial mix of Florida, the Cubans, Haitians, African-Americans and a large Jewish population, and that makes it unpredictable," said Gerry Willetts, a Republican supporter who has taken two weeks off from his office job to canvass for his party.

"The economy is different here, it's tourism based, and there are lots of seasonal residents who vote elsewhere.

"But we've got the same problems as the rest of the country, the foreclosures and job losses. Florida's important and for McCain it's a must-win. Obama might think he's won it but he shouldn't be so sure. John McCain's support is very solid here."

There are 1.7 million eligible Latino voters in Florida, 14 per cent of the state's total electorate. An ageing Jewish population is close to a million, based largely in southern Florida with its all-year warm temperatures.

But the tower blocks of empty condominiums along the waterfront from Miami to Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach, and thousands of "for sale" signs on houses inland tell their own story of an economic decline that has affected all parts of the community.

Unemployment in Florida is 6.6 per cent, half a point above the national average, and the 613,000 out of work in September was the highest for 14 years.

"Before the housing collapse, I used to work six days a week," said Brian Schwartz, 49, an electrical contractor who wires luxury apartments in Fort Lauderdale. "Now I'm lucky if it's two or three.

"We need a president who's going to sort out this mess, and I'm going to give Obama a chance. All the tax breaks are going to the oil companies and McCain wants to give them more? It's crazy. My only worry about Obama is his experience. He's flip-flopped on the war.

"But that's not what people are concerned about. We've got problems here that need working on."

Adelle Burlace voted for George W Bush four years ago, when her son was serving in the military in Iraq, but says she will switch her allegiance to the Democrats this time.

"Things are a lot different from 2004," said Mrs Burlace, 54, who lives with her retired husband. "I voted for Bush then because supporting the troops was the right thing to do. This time, it's about the economy and jobs. My son's home and out of the army, but he can't find work. He's moved to North Carolina with his girlfriend to try to find a job.

"It kills you living in Florida with the high property taxes and insurance. It's time for a change at the top."

Florida's younger voters, such as Ms Gutierrez, and 26-year-old Casey Knecht, who is studying for a career in hotel management, seem better informed about the issues than ever before. "I watched the debates, read the newspapers and compared the candidates' websites," Mr Knecht said.

"Obama came across better, and has better ideas than McCain. I don't know if there will be a job to go to when I finish college, but I think Florida has a better future with Obama."


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  • Last Updated: 23 October 2008 10:46 PM
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1

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 00:20:34
Hey dudes,

Watch the inauguration of Pres. Obama on Jan.20 2009.

And the fading of Sen. McCain on Nov. 4 , 2008.

While Sahara Bimbo Palin returns to Alaska to renew her huntin, shootin, and fishin. and her freaky religion.

Adios

GC
2

SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 00:33:44
#1
Please explain to me why liberals (which claim to be the most tolerant of people) are the ones that usually resort to calling other people names (Bimbo?). I never have understood that.
3

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 00:36:32

I am of Irish Catholic decent so I would vote for O'bama LOL

I am all of the above but I cant resist the joke LOL
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2dogs in D.C.,

24/10/2008 00:40:25
Hey,look,it's FRIDAY-Huzzah. But to the article, Florida is unpredictable. I do know,however, that my brother and sister-in-law now live there,and they are Democrats.
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 00:41:38
4
I am a Nationalist and a Catholic admit it you hate me on both points
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 00:45:59
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And you certainly did
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24/10/2008 00:55:39
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 00:56:03

#9 bring them on,
24/10/2008 00:48:20
Yes my perception is it sure will be a 'Gloomy Christmas' and winter for many, fuel bills being the worst!
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Hey Dud where I live we need air conditioning ON to cool down on Xmas day .

like WOW dude

GC
9

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 01:11:17
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For once and just this once I agree with you
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 24/10/2008 01:24:35
McCain leading Obama in latest poll:

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2008/10/mccain-leads-ob.html
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Virginian,

USA 24/10/2008 01:46:50
Article Quote:

"Florida's younger voters...seem better informed about the issues than ever before.
"'I watched the debates, read the newspapers and compared the candidates' websites," Mr Knecht said.'"

Answer:

How is watching the debates, reading biased newspapers and comparing the candidates' partisan websites going to inform anyone?


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Virginian,

USA 24/10/2008 01:57:22
#2 SouthernGent

Have you noticed all the Obama PC warriors making inane postings to disrupt any relevant discussion of the campaign issues?


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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 02:10:22
#18
Many of them lack the skills to debate, hence the end around. If they feel threarened, they find it easier to call one names over and over and declare victory.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 02:16:04
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Virginian,
USA

Dude with a name like Urs .. Are u a grade B movie Star ...like the friendly Regan was.
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#19,

Debate does not put bread on the table ..MONEY does dude .

Keep it simple .. Clap trap oratory is for the failed , the wannabe's, and the politicians.

WOW dude.

GC
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 24/10/2008 02:50:30
Obama? Kongzi (Confucius) said it all 2,500 years ago and nothing has changed since!"Qiao Yan Ling Se Xian Yi Ren"
"Fine words and an insunuating appearance are seldom associated with true virtue"

With supporters like GC the mushroom man,QED!
16

SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 02:51:24
#20
And exactly what does bread on the table have to do with posting? GC come backkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

How about an answer for #2.

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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 24/10/2008 02:52:43
Obama spending 7 times more on TV advertising than McCain. Now how will he repay his 'faithful backers'? Blair and Obama two of a kind.
18

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 03:16:04
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Dragonhead,
Dalian,China

Dude,
If suppressing the freedom of speech of 1.3 billion citizens in CHINA is one of Ur true virtues , then I am DOG.

Dude we need those answers .

We asked u for them 6 months ago.

Like are u one of the CCP wimps . who cannot speak without permission and censorship.

To refresh Ur memory dude, here are the 2 questions again.

How many Chinese are executed each year by Ur masters the CCP. The West say its 15.000 executions.

How many Chinese women are forced to abort.
The West say its between 11 million and 13 million Chinese women that are forced to abort.

Here are two new questions .

Has Ur communist buddies, stopped poisoning Chinese babies with tainted milk.

Have Ur communist factories, stopped manufacturing junk products

Has the cat got Ur tongue dude. Or did the CCP terror squad seal Ur lips with fear.

Have a nice day Dude

Not to forget....Do U have a backbone ?


Adios

GC
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 24/10/2008 03:25:26
african-american turnout is said to be unusually strong among early voters.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/10/23/20081023early-voting1023-ON.html

that is a bad trend for McCain. and I can already hear the Palin-McCain rednecks say they lost because of the blacks.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 24/10/2008 03:30:06
it seems that even inside the McCain camp they feel defeat coming.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14891.html

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Virginian,

USA 24/10/2008 04:04:57
#26 Wally

Quote:

"...I can already hear the Palin-McCain rednecks say they lost because of the blacks."

Answer:

Since the black population of the US is only about 13% total it is more likely that white radicals like you, Wally, would be blamed.

Wally, do you plan to riot and picket the White House if McCain wins the election?

The UK Telegraph online says that some Obama supporters are circulating a petition online to pledge to riot if McCain wins.

The sore loser you are because Ron Paul didn't win the nomination would be a likely person to to join the other Obama losers at the White House sit-in.

Seems the rationale given for the threat to riot and picket is that it would be "the third stolen election."

All the old hippie radicals are coming out of the woodwork and making one last effort to create chaos before they finally expire in a cloud of pot.

The riots in the '60's ending up hurting the people that lived in the inner cities far more than anyone else.

Some people will never learn.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 05:33:12
McCain living in the past. Can't use PC, doesn't know what an I-Pod is .. like DUHHhhhh111.

Hey all U redneck GOP supporters who post here . Many of U abandoned Scotland, but have the gall to say U care about Scotland .

If U cared about Scotland U would not have abandoned the Scottish ship in the first place.

Hey, Listen to Ur Bimbo Palin song , just click on link below or paste it into Ur address bar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o
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#2 .

Name calling is universal and applies to every homosapien who waddles on this earth.

But the FP GOP members are vicious when it comes to delivering verbal abuse. Reason, that's all they have to offer, not forgetting their GREED.

Jan 20, 2009 Sen. Obama becomes the 43rd Pres. of the United States of America.

All Western Nations let out a huge cheer. As last their nightmare form the Bush WH is gone.

Congress goes Democratic with big majority,and enough seats to control the red neck GOP members.

So at least until 2012 the world can rest easy, and be safe from our Cruise missiles.

Happy Haggis Day dudes

GC
23

Yane,

24/10/2008 07:01:20
god I hope you are right GC
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24/10/2008 09:17:58
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 11:54:55

FEAR-MONGERING. . . . isn't playing very well this time around, is it ?

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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 12:37:56
#29
Hypocrisy. Thats universal too. Name calling is a character flaw, not a trait of any particular party. Contary to your evident beliefs, one can get their point across without resorting to name calling.

There is no room for name calling within the world of tolerance.
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Bo28,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 13:03:45
This is amazing.

Does anybody seriously think their will be drastic policy changes/reversals from obama/mccain or cameron/brown?

Have none of you learned anything?

For example - in the U.S the great bulk of the media is owned by just 4 corporations only broken in to different names (ABC, FOX etc), the owners of which own or part own many other companies such as energy, oil, arms etc.

Dont you see how anybody given positive media coverage is actually favoured by the billionaires and, if you can believe it, the trillionaire families such as Rockefeller and Rothschild.

Not much will change whoever gets in. The wars for profits will continue, you'll continue to get the life taxed from you and the rich backers of these men will continue their reign over the unwitting populace.

Turn off the TV and get your info from the growing indpendent media on the net.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 13:37:58

Bo28 -

"Turn off the TV and get your info from the growing independent media on the net."

Absolutelty ! Read everything; break the hold that ALL corporate media have over us.
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24/10/2008 13:44:29
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Leftie,

UK 24/10/2008 13:49:52
If McCain does happen to win there will be massive riots and shootings across the US. With unemployment running rampant these riots will probably be unstoppable especially if the economic situation worsens, we could be looking at another civil war
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24/10/2008 14:23:04
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 14:23:35


We don't need another Reagan, or Bush or McCain -

We need an FDR . . and FAST !


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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 14:42:30

#38

They ARE !

This is a momentous occasion, the first black president. If I were a man of color, I'd vote for him too ! The added bonus, of course, is that he is just the man we need for the job at this particular time.
Bright, pragmatic, able to change direction as needed.

The ability to learn from mistakes and, if necessary, change direction is a MAJOR asset. . . just look at the last 8 years ! Look at Vietnam !

Failure is the guaranteed result of being on the wrong track right to the bitter end.

We don't need any more stick-in-the-mud ideas that prevent us from dealing with the real world as it exists.
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Postmark-55,

24/10/2008 14:54:14
#38 AIan Reid,
Quit trying to be someone you're not. You're not Alan REID AND IT'S DISGUSTING THAT YOU KEEP HIDING BEHIND SOMEONE ELSE'S NAME.
REMEMBER THAT MANY OF US ARE ON TO YOU.
35

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 24/10/2008 15:37:58
after the 1976 election word was circulated that it was the blacks who cost the election for the republicans. because over 90% of blacks voted for jimmy carter then. it will be the same now.

let me offer an article that calls into question why we discuss this election.

http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/6648

Obama is reality as pro-war as McCain is. Virginian said I was a white radical. am I a radical for thinking that we should not go and attack other countries for no reason and then dominate them as we're doing in a number of places? When george washington said we should avoid foreign entanglements was he a radical? Is peace a radical thing?

this is a line of questioning not supported by the corporate media that someone above spoke of. in other words, this type of a discussion as to why we go to war(s) is not done in the corporate media.

As both Obama & mcCain are pro-war, I tell you the real choice was when Ron Paul was running in the republican primary. the only reason half the people voting for obama are doing it is because they hate the republicans.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 24/10/2008 15:59:03
some Democrat pollsters anticipate a victory of historic proportions.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/dem-pollsters-see-electoral-earthquake-2008-10-24.html

It will give the americans a good feeling to be able to express themselves by rebuking republicans. this is the only good of the election. It is vain and stupid to think any other good will come of it.

the people that rule in this world will still rule and obama will be their tool as bush was. if the americans were to win, then they'd have to confront the real rulers and start taking their power away and throwing some of them in jail. it would involve the use of force or at least the threat of force. Ideally this would mean using federal law enforcement to enforce laws. we should remember that thomas jefferson said every few decades the tree of liberty needed to be watered with the blood of both patriots & tyrants.

but there is no rebellion here in America. people are not willing to stand up to the police state. This is not 1700's america when some of them stood up to the king.
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24/10/2008 16:05:48
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24/10/2008 16:07:22
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Carolyn 1,

Woods Hole, Massachusetts 24/10/2008 16:13:13


The financial truth is, Every dime that the democrats add to the deficit, to give the country a short-term boost, will be paid in the future by those under 35.

The under 35 group faces unbelievable tax burdens to pay off the deficit,- the billions being spent now to bail out the economy, plus they'll be paying the social security benefits and health care for the huge baby-boomer demographic that is retiring from the work force.

the more money a liberal congress spends, the greater the debt load on the under 35, -and not for just a few years, but for DECADES.

Fiscal responsibility and reform has to begin immediately or there's going to be 'age warfare' in 12 years.

I used to tell my father, he should hope I make piles of money, because my taxes are paying his social security and health care. Now I remind my daughter.

The boomer retirement in Florida may explain in part why Florida will be voting for a liberal congress.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 16:46:30

FINDING THE "FATAL FLAW" IN OUR FREE-WHEELING SYSTEM -

Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- "Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said a ``once-in-a-century credit tsunami'' has engulfed financial markets and conceded his free-market ideology shunning regulation was flawed.

``Yes, I found a flaw,'' Greenspan said in response to grilling from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. ``I was shocked because I'd been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.'' Greenspan added he was ``partially'' wrong for opposing the regulation of derivatives."

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He goes on to say that he believed that the free markets would regulate themselvs and all would be well.

Where have we heard this before ?

Where are we hearing it now ?

The talking puppet. . . "Joe the Plunber" McCain ?
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 16:57:59
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SouthernGent,
2


Hey Dude,

Show me a country on this planet where "Tolerance" rules .
Certainly not in the US.

Not in CHINA , citizens cannot vote.
Not in India , caste system thrives,
Not in Africa , tribalism and slaughter rages.
Not in the EU, nationalism divides and WW's are born.

Etc etc etc.

Tolerance is hope in a dream, that has not, does not, and will not happen with the exotic species we are, and the predators of the planet , us the homosapien .

Its 9:02 am in Murrieta , going to be a warm sunny day , and bets to visit the beach.

GC

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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 20:21:30
#48
You seem to be having a slight decifering problem (wonder why), so let me explain it to you a little slowwweeerrr.

You are a liberal.

Liberals preach tolerance for all (live and let live and all that).

Then you proceed to call others names because they don't agree with you.

That equals intolerance and hypocrisy.

Quite simple really.
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 20:24:31
#47
You convienently left out the FACT that Greenspan also said the democratic social engineering of the sub-prime market was the ROOT of the downfall.

Without the sub-prime fiasco, we wouldn't be where we are today.
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 20:31:08
#40
"This is a momentous occasion, the first black president. If I were a man of color, I'd vote for him too !"

Color me stupid, but I was under the impression we were supposed to vote for the most qualified candidates, not the ones that we look like.

So you are saying it is now OK to vote based on race?


""We don't need any more stick-in-the-mud ideas that prevent us from dealing with the real world as it exists""

You mean like higher taxes, more spending, and bigger government? May be coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
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Media 1,

cape town 24/10/2008 20:37:49
Southern Gent

There is nothing wrong with voting based on race - its just that some losers who are hell bent on removing freedom of choice want you to think its bad.
In Africa they will never vote for a white president - I doubt that a European or African will ever win a vote in Japan.

If people want to vote for their own colour there is nothing wrong with that - its normal! If they want to vote for a person who is of another colour then that is also cool.

Obama is the man - McCain is finished!

America needs Obama.

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 20:46:41
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SouthernGent,
Hey man,

Ever met an intolerant and hypocritical liberal.

Well let me introduce myself...dude.

But when compared to Red Neck GOP members, there is no contest in the game of intolerance and hypocrisy . The GOP take the GOLD medal every time.

A great example, just look at the latest McCain geriatric Ads on our TV.

By the way McCain is a geriatric , he passed the age of 64 and the word GO. That is not name calling, its a medical description of the man, at his age.

In the fifties, people generally begin to fall apart, and by the 70's they are apart.

Use a fresh naturally grown shroom, next time U make a 3 egg omelet. But these wild shrooms cost U a bundle, far more than the free range eggs.

GC



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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 20:51:04

#51- Southern Racist Gent

I would certainly "color you stupid," as you suggested, for this and most of your other hateful ravings.

What color would you like to be ?

I repeat; if I were African-American, I would most definitely vote for Obama, who is a man of intelligence, pragmatism and vision.

I assume that you vote only for racist/right-wing fascist candidates, based on all of your postings.

Your world is GONE man; times have changed. Move on !
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Media 1,

cape town 24/10/2008 20:56:31
Racism will always exist! Whites and blacks are different, end of story!
Their history is different, their innovation is different, their inventions are different, their achievments are different, their nations are different, their features are different - they are completely different - and there is little wrong with voting for your own kind - if that is racism, then racism is fine!!

I want Obama because the guy is a better option than McCain - anyone can see McCain has Bushesque agenda's and ideoligies, the man is a war mongering accident waiting to happen.
Thankfully Obama will stop him
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Denyse,

Somewhere, USA 24/10/2008 21:25:56
38 Alan Reid Why would any black vote for a party that is composed of white, wealthy conservatives who loathe them? How many in the Defense industry making millions on these wars are black?
How many whites will not vote for the better candidate because he is black?
Your post makes no sense.
We have a case today where a GOP volunteer claims she was beaten by a black man because she had a McCain sticker on her car. A 6ft 4" black man who told her she'd "better vote for Obama" before cutting a B on her face. McCain and Palin called her to express their outrage - but the story was out there - until she admitted it was done to help McCain. Now let me ask you why would any black person vote for McCain
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 21:29:18
#54
Show me hateful. Because I post facts and logical explanations that you don't agree with, its hateful.

I guess that makes you one of those intolerant tolerant liberals.
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 21:31:50
#56
Believe it or not, there are many blacks in the middle class that will vote for McCain because they too believe in smaller government and keeping what they earn.
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24/10/2008 21:44:40
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

24/10/2008 21:46:51
#57-

"I guess that makes you one of those intolerant tolerant liberals."

YUP ! The tolerance can only extend so far -
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 21:55:31
#61
You still didn't show me hateful. Post examples and lets have at it.
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Frank Brady,

24/10/2008 22:54:09
With doubts being raised as to whether Obama was actually born in Kenya in a federal court case filed in Pennsylvania yesterday by a former deputy attorney general of that state, who happens to a long standing Democrat(i.e. Obama is precluded from running for the presidency because he is not a native-born American--why won't he show his birth certificate?), took his Indonesian stepfather's name and travelled on an Indonesian passport, it is hardly surprising to read the following.

Despite the mainstream liberal media's (remember it in 1948)attempts to protect him and come up with phony poll numbers to give him a feeling of inevitability on November 4, the firm that was labelled the most accurate pollster in the 2004 presidential elections says presidential candidate John McCain has made up more ground. The senator now trails Barack Obama by just 1.1 percent nationwide and he has made gains with middle class voters, particularly in the battleground states who went for Hillary Clinton in large numbers in the primaries. "McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind," Investor's Business Daily (IBD)indicates. Its poll, conducted by the TechnoMetrica Institute of Policy and Politics, shows Obama at 44.8 percent, McCain at 43.7 percent and a large 11.6 percent of Americans still undecided. "The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday" but McCain is making headway, IBD says, with middle- and working-class voters. Those are the people Obama (at a "chardonnay and brie" liberal elitist fundraising gathering in San Francisco earlier this year) accused of being bitter, clinging to their guns and religion. McCain (with a lot of help from Governor Palin and Joe the Plumber)has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000." "He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics, as more and more of them find out that Obama is the most radical, pro-abortion presidential candidate since
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Frank Brady,

24/10/2008 22:56:51
(continued) Roe versus Wade in 1973. Among suburban voters McCain holds a very healthy lead over Obama.
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Denyse,

Somewhere, USA 24/10/2008 23:15:15
#64 Do you ever check Snopes.com? According to you - the State of Hawaii is in on this big Conspiracy and of course Obama fooled the INS with this phony Birth Certificate to get an American passport? When I applied it was quite a rigorous undertaking
And may I ask what is wrong with a Presidential Candidate attending a "Liberal" fund raiser in OMG San Francisco Where would you want him to be? As well as being a "Blockheaded Racist"#60 TKS I must be an elite liberal as I have Chardonnay and Brie Cheese quite often and quite cheaply from Costco. Quite a nice combination I must say.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 24/10/2008 23:43:08
many blacks don't want to vote for either candidate because its believed both are crooks. many whites share that view. the fact that the ruling clique is overwhelmingly white means nothing. the fact that they are crooks makes people want to vote against them.

the expensive purchases concerning palin's wardrobe violated the McCain-Feingold legislation.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6111

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Virginian,

USA 25/10/2008 02:02:20
#63 Postmark-55
"Blacks have a right to be racists, call it having the tables turned."

Answer:

Postmark, call it two rights making a wrong.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 25/10/2008 02:10:13
the gossip never ends. see what they're saying about Obama now.

http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6126
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Postmark-55,

China, 25/10/2008 02:46:30
post#63 is not me, the real Rob Bennett is also not at post 59 and 60, and Virginian, you know my point of view and my writing style, so why do you fall for what the wannabe at post 63 said?
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Virginian,

USA 25/10/2008 03:18:48
The US government was never designed to have universal suffrage.

It was designed to be a representative government chosen from a pool of white, native-born, male property owners who were elected by their peers.

These men had fought and won independence as well as toiled to form the system of government "for themselves and their posterity [descendants]."

Most of the Founding Fathers had grave concerns about the US governmental system surviving "special interests."

Thomas Jefferson woke up after a nightmare that foresaw the Union being rent in two by special interest groups.

Jefferson's nightmare was prophetic when the Northern states waged war against the legally seceded Confederate States of America.

White males without property were soon given the vote in the early 1800's.

Black males were given the vote after the War Between the States but before the Southern states were readmitted to the Union on an equal footing.

Once white and black males could vote the agitation began for all women to vote which negated the concept of the male head of household being its representative.

Next the age was lowered to younger and younger citizens who were still dependent on their parents.

Then the voting rights laws decreed that voters did not have to prove they were intelligent enough to read and write or understand why they were voting.

Felons are urged to get back their right to vote.

Some suggest that illegal aliens be allowed to vote, as some surely do already, if they are working and "contributing" to the tax base.

Now it appears that everyone on the globe campaigns in US elections. If the whole world gets the vote it will truly be "universal suffrage" in the US.

The Founding Fathers didn't know the half of it!


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Rob Bennett,

Christchurch NZ In Transit 25/10/2008 03:27:30
Postings #59 and #60 are not my posts they belong to the fake Alan Reid (Copy and Paste to Comments Section to Verify)

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Virginian,

USA 25/10/2008 03:30:12
#70 Postmark

I beg your pardon. And shame on the imposter!
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Postmark-55,

China, 25/10/2008 03:42:26
#73 Virginian,
All's forgiven and now let's hope that the Scotsman will finally do something about this person.
Thanks for being honest and apologizing, others have not.
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Postmark-55,

China, 25/10/2008 03:44:43
#75 Finnqueen,
Say no more, say no more.
Now save your sarcasm for somebody who doesn't get it.
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Rob Bennett,

Christchurch NZ In Transit 25/10/2008 03:56:51
#74 Postmark-55,China
Mate I left a posting for you at the link below:
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Sean-Penn-visits-Hugo-Chavez.4608352.jp#3353249
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Postmark-55,

China, 25/10/2008 04:03:24
#78 Rob Bennett,
Thanks Rob, I'll be sure to check that out.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 25/10/2008 06:21:49
It seems that LYNNE FROM PALM PEACH GARDENS has all my postings critical of her or that woman's
political stances removed.

Quelle paisante, quelle sorcerieuse (witch), quelle personne sans classe ou ancetre.

This will also be removed, alas.
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Rob Bennett,

Christchurch NZ In Transit 25/10/2008 07:49:31
#80 TimW1234,Ottawa, Canada
"It seems that LYNNE FROM PALM PEACH GARDENS has all my postings critical of her or that woman's
political stances removed"

They do that, both her and Carolyn1

Republicans are renowned for having a whinge about anything and everything
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 25/10/2008 16:26:36
80 britfree

Now,now. Your off your pills and should not be allowed out in society without being medicated AS PRESCRIBED.
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