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Lib Dems boiler 'hypocrisy' sends temperatures rising



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Published Date: 13 February 2008
A POLITICAL row has erupted after a senior Lib Dem MSP called for more environmentally-friendly boilers in Scotland – which the city council has blocked in Edinburgh.
Opposition councillors today seized on comments by south of Scotland MSP Jim Hume, the Lib Dem's environment spokesman, who said: "Ministers must make a real effort to develop the biomass industry in Scotland."

Biomass boilers were set to be inclu
ded in five secondary and two primary schools being built in the Capital because, unlike traditional gas boilers, no CO2 is released during the heating process.

But the order was stopped by the Lib Dem-led council last year, amid concerns that emissions generated by the boilers could cause breathing problems.

Labour group education spokesman, Councillor Andrew Burns, said: "This indicates just how short-sighted the Lib Dems in Edinburgh have been.

"It is hugely hypocritical that a Lib Dem MSP is urging the Government to press ahead with biomass, when local Lib Dems have cancelled the most significant biomass project in central Scotland.

"The administration is unable to make difficult decisions. The real truth is that this decision was taken for financial reasons."

Cllr Burns said the initial costs of installing biomass boilers would be high, but the long-term benefits outweigh this. He also said studies showed that any safety concerns about emissions could be alleviated, for example by building taller chimneys.

However, city leaders today said they would not consider anything that could put children's health at risk, and insisted the decision was not financially motivated.

Councillor Robert Aldridge, Edinburgh's Lib Dem environment leader, said: "Our decision to suspend the installation of biomass boilers in council facilities was based on the professional advice of our environmental health division.

"We took the decision that we could not take any potential risk, however small, with the health of Edinburgh's school children.

"We view this as a precautionary measure, in light of the best scientific information available. In addition, the decision reached does not preclude their provision at a later date, if research approves their use."

But last Friday, Mr Hume – whose constituency covers part of the Lothians – said:

"The Scottish Government must build on the significant progress on biomass made by the Liberal Democrats in the previous administration.

"Ministers must make a real effort to develop the biomass industry in Scotland."

Green councillor Alison Johnstone said:

"I'm surprised to learn that in Holyrood we have a Lib Dem MSP urging action to meet our renewable energy targets through biomass generation and in the City Chambers we have a Lib Dem administration deleting biomass boilers from one of the city's biggest projects."





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  • Last Updated: 13 February 2008 11:06 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Very Concerned Resident,

13/02/2008 12:14:56
Cllr. Aldridge "insisted the decision was not financially motivated" - what he fails to understand is that officers recommended the removal of the boilers TO HIM for financial reasons. Officers clearly never wanted this new system and now they're getting their way.

Yet again, another case of this Administration being LED by the nose and not being savvy enough to see what's going on.
2

A N Other,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 12:24:13
I don't know why Alison Johnstone is surprised that the Liberal Democrats are hypocritical. Greens often point out the hypocrisy of the three main political parties and the Tories.

Robert Aldridge is either a fool or a liar when he talks about not taking any potential risk, however small, with the health of Edinburgh's school children. There is a very small risk that children could be sitting in a school when a meteorite, aircraft or lorry full of petrol crashes into it. That would be unhealthy for them, but it is not an argument to close all schools.

If the Council's environmental health division was giving professional advice then they should have given an indication of the chances of any potential risk to children's health from biomass boilers and compared this to the risks faced by the same children due to climate change. My guess is that they did so, but the Liberal Democrat councillors wanted a 100% guarantee of safety. They appear to be so wet behind the ears that they have yet to grasp that 100% safety is a desirable goal, but is not possible.


3

Jams,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 13:11:39
"unlike traditional gas boilers, no CO2 is released during the heating process." Is this a miracle of modern combustion ? No. What it means is that new trees are grown, thus consuming the CO2 released by combustion. Fine unless your boiler is in Edinburgh and your tree plantation is in Norway (or even the highlands). In that case you generate more CO2 in a center of population and create cleaner air in remote areas. Overall these systems benefit the planet by being almost carbon neutral, but the local environment can be made worse.
4

Duncan in Edinburgh,

13/02/2008 13:12:41
Lib Dems saying one thing nationally and another thing locally? Why this is unheard of! Certainly never happened with the congestion charge or the bridge tolls. Oh no.
5

DAVID,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 13:16:11
And of course there is the ridiculous point that the Council has used up all its quota of carbon CO2 because of Lothian Buses.

If the Council had far less of a cosy relationship with the buses firm then perhaps we would see more of these "micro" level green initiatives and also more aggressive attempts to clean up the disgusting, poisonous, noxious fumes spewed out by the buses. But it's unlikely, as we seem to be stupid enough to believe the puff PR pieces about buses being a green mode of transport. They're nothing of the kind and if the bus firm was privatised maybe we could force them clean up their act a bit more.
6

Duncan in Edinburgh,

13/02/2008 13:20:30
#5 What? Lothian Buses is the most successful bus company in the country, and one of the most efficient. It runs at a profit. In what possible way would selling the council's stake benefit the city? And how could it "force them to clean up their act"?

There is no sense in your comment at all.
7

DAVID,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 13:30:35
Most successful bus company in the country - on what measure? The number of clean fuel vehicles they use, the number of cashless ticketing systems used.....? Lothian Buses are filthy, diesel spewing anachronisms, and a forward thinking company would be investing in electric / hybrid vehicles to help with air quality, reduce childhood asthma, etc.

Communism and state ownership always results in bad deals for the consumer. Privatisation makes perfect sense, then we could enforce a decent system of regulation to make bus firms clean up their act rather than rely on idiot councillors and council officials to do it. Cos they certainly don't get suitably aggressive with them right now. All the talk is anti-car, and if we were half as forceful with Lothian Buses as we are with the private motorist I'm sure we could vastly improve our air quality and level of emessions.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?
8

Gothic Rose,

13/02/2008 13:50:26
Yes.
9

Inedinburgh,

13/02/2008 13:51:59
What nonsense about capitalism from above post!
Lothian Buses is a privately-run company. The fact that the shares are predominantly owned by the Council makes no difference.

And as for biomass boilers, they burn wood very efficiently due to 21st century design, meaning they emit less immediate air pollution than cars.

The LibDems are talking rubbish as ever.
10

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 13/02/2008 13:55:37
Its not unusual for elected politicians to receive and translate conflicting advice. Near where I live the local SNP MSP Bruce Crawford is joining local objectors to a wind farm whilst nationally extolling the virtues of the energy generated by this particular renewable source. NIMBY attitudes abound in all political parties but what is the truth in this particular situation with regards to our childrens safety - thats the key question now needing answered and I don't yet see the answer?
11

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington Tipi Village 13/02/2008 14:08:32
Think Lackwittedly. Act Glibly.
12

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington Save The Universe Society 13/02/2008 14:10:00
If the Liberals think that biomass can harm schoolchildren, then why does it want to harm the rest of us by promoting it elsewhere?
13

fresian,

edinburgh 13/02/2008 15:21:57
Environmentally friendly boilers eh!

Is that really the way to describe the women who were camped out protesting against the Dalkeith Bypass.
14

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

13/02/2008 15:26:53
#10 OH GOOD GOD, GOD HELL NOT YOU AGAIN..YAWN...
15

Duncan in Edinburgh,

13/02/2008 16:06:38
#7 I'm sorry but that simply makes no sense. If privatisation of buses would cause a green revolution, why aren't all of First Edinburgh's buses running on clean fuels? They have older, more polluting buses than Lothian. Why aren't Stagecoach's buses in Fife all running on clean fuels - they are a private company? Cashless ticketing systems? Neither First nor Stagecoach operate them. You know who does? Transport for London. The largest publicly owned bus network in the country.

You really are talking garbage.
16

Shave,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 16:09:27
LibDems, it seems you can't tell the difference so here is a hint:
One is between your shoulder and wrist,
and one you sit on.

Of course, I enjoyed hearing Alison Johnston pointing out the LibDem hypocrisy, but I would also like to hear her view on the environmental healths advice not to install these boilers. Alan Roden - did you ask?
17

Seabhag,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 18:44:21
Lib Dems' local manifesto was full of green promises: it is delivery that is the problem. So look out next week for the council budget when Lib Dems will make many more green pledges - but won't walk the talk.
18

Terr2,

13/02/2008 22:23:00
Old boilers and Andrew Burns - what a pie!
19

UserNameTaken,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 22:54:25
1) This was the only thread I could find with LibDems in it.

2) So I HAD to let you know about this link . . . http://youtube.com/watch?v=zB-C9AYMmOs&feature=related

Laughing all the way to the ballot box - Hoot, Har de har, Oh my aching ribs, etc.
20

Duncan in Edinburgh,

13/02/2008 23:00:09
#19 Goodness, I didn't think it was possible, but I dislike Alex Salmond even more after having watch that clip. What a smug, self-satisfied, hectoring, slimy, glib and cheap snake-oil salesman he is. To think he is running the country. Dear me.
21

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/02/2008 00:57:17
#9 Inedinburgh

"Lothian Buses is a privately-run company. The fact that the shares are predominantly owned by the Council makes no difference"

Methinks it's you that's talking rubbish.

If the Council are the predominant owners of the shares then they have massive influence. They can appoint all board members including the chief executive and the chairman, they can say how much of the profits get reinvessted and, they can vote on any strategic decision that the company takes...amongst other things.
22

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/02/2008 01:01:46
Jams # 3,

Correct me if I'm wrong but increased co2 emmissions in our cities is not really pollution. There's was masses of co2 in the air thousands of years ago.

I think the main concern is the greenhouse effect it creates, not where it's emmited from.
23

Spicey,

Glasgow 14/02/2008 09:06:42
#2

Just a wee point - "3 main parties and the tories"

They're the same size as the libs, so surely that would be 4 main parties? Or do you not count all the people who voted for them because you dont happen to like them?

Like i said, just a wee point, nothin to do wi the article.

 

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