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Latest major road closes to make way for work on trams



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Published Date: 06 March 2008
CONSTITUTION Street will be the next major city road to close as part of construction work for Edinburgh's £498 million tram line.
Tram firm TIE was today set to release full details of the temporary closure, which will mean diversions for traffic and a number of bus services in Leith.

It is understood that work will get under way at the end of this month and will take place
in sections to ensure the full street does not have to close.

The road is expected to reopen to traffic again later this year but the long-term plan is to close part of Constitution Street and allow access for buses and trams only.

The closure plans come just days after a five-month closure of Shandwick Place and a series of traffic diversions got under way.

Despite predictions of chaos, the diversions have worked reasonably well during the first few days and transport chiefs are hoping for the same with the Leith works. Local councillor Gordon Munro said: "It is a temporary closure and it is good that it is in sections rather than the whole street.

"The pressure will be on TIE to keep to its schedules because there are a number of places, such as the Kirkgate House or St Mary's Church, which are effectively landlocked without Constitution Street."

As first predicted in the News in July last year, the narrow southern part of Constitution Street will be closed to general traffic to make space for the trams.

Sara Morgan, manager of Carolyn Designer Florist at the Foot of the Walk end of Constitution Street, said she was really worried. She said: "The people from TIE have been really good at letting us know what is going on but it doesn't take away from the fact that this will hurt us.

"We have the big lorries bringing in deliveries from Holland, plus all our deliveries for funerals so there is a constant flow of vehicles to and from the shop. There is also the passing trade which I think will be affected."

Willie Gallagher, executive chairman of TIE, said Constitution Street was an "integral part of the tram route".

He added: "We will be announcing the detail of that work and consulting with residents and businesses in due course."

Commuters, residents and traders in Leith Walk have already been given a flavour of the sort of disruption over the last six months.

Since August, Leith Walk has been the subject of lane closures and lengthy tailbacks at rush-hour as utility diversion works got under way on the busy street.

Details of the remaining tram disruption, which is likely to include a complete temporary closure of Princes Street, and the final design of the tram route, are set to be released in April – two months later than planned.

The chaos expected as a result of the closure of Shandwick Place has so far failed to materialise. Saturday's Calcutta Cup rugby match at Murrayfield is now expected to be the first big test of the diversions.

www.tramsforedinburgh.com





The full article contains 522 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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06/03/2008 12:08:49
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eric,

Lothiian 06/03/2008 12:22:52
Not quite a Subway,but hey never mind.
3

kiwi007,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 12:33:35
just leave the car at home, lets face it we cant go anywhere with it,just bought new mountain bike seems its the only way to get round the city.Oh and im 50
4

eric-shaun,

Lothiian 06/03/2008 12:36:35
sorry it's me,raising my little head again

(sorry for the spelling of lothiian,I dont know what came over me)
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 13:01:49
If Labour had still been power they would have used the work to create chaos for cars on diversionary routes . All credit to your new council , they have not .
9

JT,

06/03/2008 13:06:35
Hardly anyone is actually going to Princes St so thats why there is no chaos. Try other roads they are being clogged up with the traffic.
10

JT,

06/03/2008 13:06:35
Hardly anyone is actually going to Princes St so thats why there is no chaos. Try other roads they are being clogged up with the traffic.
11

alex patersons English teacher,

06/03/2008 13:06:49
1,7
i'm going on a bus tor of gorgei, beleive it or knot.

Come along,itll be 2 ar's holes then.

Sorry for the tourent of abuse.
12

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:23:33
"Since August, Leith Walk has been the subject of lane closures and lengthy tailbacks at rush-hour as utility diversion works got under way on the busy street."

But there are ALWAYS lengthy tailbacks on Leith Walk at rush hour, due to the fact that thousands of cars and dozens of buses all want to drive down it at once. If anything, the traffic's been flowing more smoothly for most of the day since they've been digging it up.
13

Spock,

06/03/2008 13:28:08
If it's so quiet on the Shandwick Place diversion, why was the West Approach Road and Haymarket so busy at 7.30 this morning?
14

Young Bob,

Right here right now 06/03/2008 13:33:54
EDINBURGH

GHOST TOWN

CONGRATULATIONS

YOU MORALLY BANKRUPT

SELF SERVING INDIVIDUALS

RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

OBSCENITY.
15

jdships,

06/03/2008 13:47:51
8 Voice of reason,

"If Labour had still been power they would have used the work to create chaos for cars on diversionary routes . All credit to your new council , they have not ."

Your having a laugh I take it ?
Or defending the indefensible !!
also
" The road is expected to reopen to traffic again later this year but the long-term plan is to close part of Constitution Street and allow access for buses and trams only. "

And that is not going to cause some form of chaos. ?
Junction St , Duke St, Henderson St already are bottleknecks.





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Young Bob,

Right Here in the back of your mind. 06/03/2008 14:07:49
TO ALL THE TRAM SUPPORTERS

THE ONES WHO CLAIM THAT OBJECTORS

JUST ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE AND PROGRESS.


PLEASE NOTE.

THOSE WHO OBJECT TO THE TRAMS ARE LOOKING

A LITTLE FURTHER FORWARD THAN ALL THE DISRUPTION NOW


THE REAL PROBLEMS WILL START WHEN THE TRAMS OPERATE.

A TRAM CANNOT NEGOTIATE ANY OBSTACLE.

ANY BREAKDOWN, OBSTRUCTION AND THE TRAM AND WHOLE SYSTEM

WILL GRIND TO A HALT.

THAT INCLUDES CARS, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, ROADWORKS, CATS, DOGS, CONES, MASONARY ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING CAN HALT THE TRAM…. ASK ANYONE FROM DUBLIN WHO USES THEIRS.

ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE TRAM ROUTE ONLY REPLACES ONE SOLITARY BUS SERVICE.

ALL OF THE OTHER 98% OF THE SERVICES STILL HAVE TO RUN. (T.I.E.’S OWN FIGURES)

NOW TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK DOWN PRINCES ST.

IT ALREADY LOOKS LIKE A BUS PARK

NOW TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE

THAT THERE WILL BE ENOUGH SPACE FOR ALL THE SERVICES THAT HAVE TO RUN

AND THE TRAMS AS WELL…..!

SHALL I REPEAT THAT

A L L

T H E

R E M A I N I N G

B U S

S E R V I C E S

S T I L L

H A V E

T O

R U N

AH BUT THEY’RE GOING TO NARROW PRINCES STREET.

GENIUS MOVE..!

BY THIS TIME EDINBURGH WILL BE A COMMERCIAL AND SHOPPING CENTRE TO AVOID

WHY NOT MAKE THE WHOLE SHOPPING EXPERIENCE WORSE

BY PACKING THE PEDESTRIANS IN LIKE SARDINES

AND REMEMBER THERE WILL BE RAILINGS ALONG PRINCES STREET BY THIS POINT

OTHERWISE IMPATIENT PEDESTRIANS WILL BE FLATTENED INTO ROADKILL BY A TRAM

A TRAM WHO BY THE WAY CANNOT SWERVE OR MANOEUVRE TO AVOID THE UNEXPECTED.

NOW THOSE OF YOU WILL RELATIVES OLD ENOUGH

ASK THEM HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS A MONTH

WERE FLATTENED BY THE TRAMS OF OLD..?


ANSWER….

ENOUGH THAT IT WAS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTING FACTOR

TO THEM BEING REMOVED IN THE FIRST PLACE...!!!!

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Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 06/03/2008 14:08:09
Another chapter in the story of Edinburgh and its new tram (The King and his new clothes).
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scotsol,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 14:15:16
#14 - no, you're wrong there, and wrong now. "Immoral obscenities" are things like the Iraq war or Hitler's extermination of Jews, not the temporary closure of a street to build a tramline. Get a life, you silly little man.
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Gloryhunter Leith,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 14:17:47
'Young Bob' - you really need to take a chill pill. And take the caps lock off, FGS!
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Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 06/03/2008 14:18:34
#15 I agree "The long term plan is to close Constitutin Street". If this is the case at constitution Street then I assume the long term plan is to close Shandwick Place also. As this is another bottle neck on the tram route, so lets get rid of the problem. No doubt this long term planning was missed out during public consultation and information available to the public. I wonder what other streets the tram will be using will also be in the "long term planning" closed to other traffic apart from trams. The spin on this no doubt will be "look how punctual our trams are" ignoring the choas being left on other roads. I will probably be called an idiot for thinking this because TIE and Edinburgh council have been so open and forthcoming with information about the trams that the residents of Edinburgh already where aware of this. Or I will be called anti tram by the stubborn blind tram lobby.
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jdships,

06/03/2008 14:22:01
16 Young Bob,

Good post !!
This "network" will only benefit 6/8% of the citizens of Edinburgh - WOW !
"TO ALL THE TRAM SUPPORTERS "
Who/where are these people ?
I can honestly say over the past few months I have met almost no-one who supports the concept never mind the execution of it

In the course of my charity work I speak to/ assist around 50/60 people every week plus meeting socially with friends and colleagues

22

rabmataz,

06/03/2008 14:23:27
Hey Administrator, give us reasons for your censorship!
23

Flying Upsidedown,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 14:25:21
Number 16:- Please stop SHOUTING, its making my head sore - also people tend not to read what is prinnted in capital letters.
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Young Bob,

here 06/03/2008 14:33:07
#18

I BEG TO DIFFER….

WHAT CITY ARE YOU LIVING IN…

OR WHAT UTOPIAN CITY DO YOU

T H I N K

YOU’RE LIVING IN.


EDINBURGH IS IN MELTDOWN.

THE COUNCIL IS PRACTICALLY BANKRUPT.

SERVICES ARE RUNNING AT ABSOLUTE MINIMUM.

THE STREETS ARE OVERRUN WITH DRUNK TEENAGE DELINQUENTS AND DRUNKS

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PENNIES IN THE POT TO PAY FOR

ADEQUATE POLICING, EDUCATION, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ETC..

EVERY EFFORT IS MADE TO MAKE TOURIST WELCOME

BUT THE RESIDENTS OF OUR FAIR CAPITAL CAN GO TO HELL…


AND YET THEY CAN FIND THE MONEY

WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A PUBLIC VOTE (YES YES I KNOW BUT THAT WAS A STITCH UP)

FOR THIS

C O M P L E T E L Y

U N N E C E S S A R Y

D E B A C L E



YES

YES

I WOULD CALL THAT MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE.

YES I WOULD CALL THAT CORRUPT.

AND PLEASE DO NOT BRING RWANDA OR THE HOLOCAUST INTO THIS….

I FIND THAT DISTASTEFUL….

“OH LOOK I CAN INVALIDATE YOUR ARGUMENT BECAUSE I MENTION A COUPLE OF THE 20TH CENTURIES MOST AWFUL ATROCITIES.”

LIKE I SAID DISTASTEFUL
25

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/03/2008 14:39:48
LOVESHACK BABY YEH
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scotsol,

06/03/2008 15:20:31
#23 - just be grateful he can't do it in red.
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Farmernot,

06/03/2008 15:41:14
Was in Princes Street yeaterday and boy were the shops quiet.......while in Shandwick Place, Stafford St and William St you could have heard a pin drop.......no people in shops at all.

Compensate the shopkeepers before there are no shops left
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gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 15:54:53
Young Bob

Good posts. Thank you for your input.

On the subjecy of old people getting knocked down by trams, I believe that for an additional £25Million the trams can be fitted with a cattle-grid type of device that will sweep the bodies to the side thereby allowing the trams to proceed unhindered. Thos would allow the whole network to continue without any delays.

Worth the extra dosh I say.
29

Billy Effluvia,

Paris, France 06/03/2008 16:13:58
TALK TO ME

SO YOU CAN SEE

WHAT'S GOIN' ON

WHAT'S GOIN' ON
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 16:19:27
#28 gorgeousgorgieboy, young bob and all other anti-tram posters.

I hope the tram scheme is a complete flop and ruins the Town. That will help to remind the local electorate of the arrogant, selfserving Labour council who put this ridiculous idea into effect - hopefully none of us will ever vote for these doughnuts again.

"cattle-grid type of device that will sweep the bodies to the side"

Yes, I can seriously see this happening (with the victim being reduced to several pounds of gore in the process). A recent story from some other Godforsaken town with a tram system reported an accident where a pedestrian ended up under a tram. Apparently it took some 2 hours (or more) to get the tram lifted off the poor soul with the track blocked for at least that length of time. Sadly accidents are bound to happen and I can see our 'respected' system being blocked for hours if such a sad event happens here.

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Lally Mc,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 16:24:20
Can someone please tell me why when they are working on the roads for the trams now, why they are not laying the tram lines at the same time?. Does this mean we will face more disruption when they start laying lines. Could they not have laid them as they went along and left one final piece to be put in on Princes St or wherever to commerate the finishing and opening of the system -that's if they finish it.
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gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 16:25:55
Lally

Its because they havent reached a decision on the cattle-grid body disposal system. Thie requires the tramlines to be laid at a higher level.
33

Goat Boy,

06/03/2008 16:30:09
Why trams and cars don't mix. Take a look at this on youtube...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsx6bdorDro

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Sods Law,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 16:41:04
The whole city is full of roadworks, so what if the moaning clowns in Leith Walk and Constitution Street and those who drive on them are unhappy they are no different from anyone or anywhere else in the City
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 16:46:16
#32 gorgeousgorgieboy

Surely they will just send any surviving organs straight to the RIE for transplants?

No, I shouldn't joke about this. I remember seeing a kiddie scooped up and scrapped along the road under one of the older trams back in the early 1950s (fortunately the wee lass only suffered shock and bruises, but she lived). The older trams did have a kind of cow-catcher underneath to prevent folk being dismembered if they fell under the vehicle.

Your point is a good one, the speed of these modern trams will surely wipeout anyone unfortunate enough to be struck.

#33 Goat Boy

Cars and trams won't be allowewd to mix. As far as I can make out passengers will board/dismount at stops in the middle of the road. It therefore looks like cars will not be allowed to use the same roads? Other posters may be able to throw light on this point?


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Goat Boy,

06/03/2008 17:30:57
Peter - There is a video of someone being hit by a tram, but I thought that a bit tasteless for the EN. A tram hitting a car should get the message over loud and clear. What about all the buses on Princes Street? Could be a problem. Are they banning cars from Leith Walk?

I hope the central pedestrian areas are going to be a lot wider than the ones shown on the video. Try to imagine someone with a Childs buggy or a youngster or elderly person that’s a bit wobbly – there’s not a lot of room. Not good.

37

Londonroadguy,

nearby 06/03/2008 18:52:46
Of course..Buses never run people over or knock them down.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 19:34:03
#36 Goat Boy

As far as I can make out, neither buses nor cars will be able to use the same route as the trams, presumably for reasons of public safety created by the road centre staging points. I have also been told that many buses/bus services will be stopped/cut (as many as 500 buses could be lost) after this crazy tram service actually starts.

#37 Londonroadguy

Obviously no one wants to see accidents but unfortunately they will happen. Buses and cars can usually manouver around an accident, but trams can't and as I pointed out above if the victim is underneath the tram it may even need to lifted. Even the breakdown of a tram will block the track so that services will have be stopped while it is removed (or lifted in the case of a bad accident). The tram service could easily be disrupted for many hours in a worst-case scenario.
39

Axelfols,

Edinburrrrgghhh 06/03/2008 19:50:19
Young Bob, Dearest Young Bob, You might find people take you more seriously if you stopped ranting in CAPITALS. Very silly really. Hey Ho...
40

Plantagenet,

06/03/2008 19:53:22
I wonder if, when all the Tram lines are up and running if whoever thought up this scheme might want to look at an underground railway system to rival the Paris metro or the London Tube, anyone else think this is a good idea? oh I have to go now, time for my medication.
41

Evia,

06/03/2008 20:41:50
Young Bob

Excellent posts from you.


jdships

I haven't met a single person who wants the trams either and, like you, I come into contact with many people during the week.

I think we might have to wait for the times when liners come into Leith before we see many people using the trams. After all, isn't this what they are all about? They are certainly not for the citizens of Edinburgh.

The city is strapped for cash to provide necessary services and this horrendous waste of money has been allowed to go ahead. Must have been a pay-out somewhere.

42

Evia,

06/03/2008 20:46:36
38 Peter

Excellent post. It's a pity that the thick-heads in the Council and Scottish Government couldn't see the problems.
43

Richard Lionheart,

Halfway to OZZ, hitting head off taxi roof 06/03/2008 21:38:00
A council with money for trams, money for Road humps (Inverted potholes) and no money for road repairs!

Sounds like a Labour administration to me.
44

"The Big A",

NORTH BERWICK. 06/03/2008 22:37:33
The Old Trams that were Operated by Edinburgh Corporation as it was then in the 1950`s had Cow catchers at Both ends when The Tram got to it`s Teminus the Conductor pushed the seats the other way & the tram driver switched to the other end to start the new journey .

Wonderful system OK perhaps a bit dated but operated so well unless a car`s wheel got caught beetween one of the tram rails.

Can`t think why all this Fuss about Utility lines never had this problem 50 + Years ago just dug it up & fixed it & so on !!

Great living in North Berwick we Kept our Railway that Beeching wanted to close Unlike The Border Towns they Lost there Line Now Possible rebuilding I wonder,,,,,

No Constructive Future Planning on Transport Think very clearly what you Need not what you want No Party Politics which ever party .

Switzerland Has Trams in Cities & Rail services to all parts with Busses meeting each Train & vice/versa & cable cars Get on with it Plan what is the Benefit & Advantage to its Citizens & Visitors alike.

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Euan,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 23:18:43
Young Bob:

BLOODY WELL SAID.

Edinburgh residents are facing a very dismal future with the creating of this money-gulping and totally ludicrous tram line.

TIE and the other muppets who have forced through this 'vision' of theirs care not one bit about what effect this monstrosity will have on the daily lives of the people of this fine City.

They are quite happy invent all the spin and propaganda possible to try and hoodwink unsuspecting individuals into thinking that this shambolic project is worth it.

All they care about is their lovely, tourist-attracting tram - and, as Young Bob correctly says, to HELL with what any of the locals think.

To Willie Gallagher, TIE and all the other architects of this sad episode in Edinburgh's long history - you should all hang your heads in shame.

You are nothing but a total disgrace.




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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 07/03/2008 02:02:52
ihated the old trams they were awful loved to ride on the SMT bus that was luxury compared this tram thing makes no sense to me at all millions wasted
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paulr,

edinburgh 07/03/2008 09:41:41
We should all boycott these trams, show the council and holyrood what we think of the scheme, that is if they ever manage to complete the work and get them running.
49

me150,

07/03/2008 09:45:43
Get your heads out of your butts and just get on with it. The trams are happening so live with it.

After all we have to live with poor SNP rule.
50

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 10:52:59
#49 me150,
“Get your heads out of your butts”

What a way with words me150, would those be water butts or buttock butts?

The only butts really involved here were the butts of the now very ex Labour Council who created this crazy project and these butts should (and probably will be) kicked very hard.

“The trams are happening” Yes, we are all too aware of that.

I would like to make a prediction regarding the trams. This project will get about halfway through and then it will grind to a halt (I very much hope). It will be great to see the City Council/TIE, etc wriggle and squirm when this happens and it is to be very much hoped that the Scottish Executive stick to their guns and refuse to give another brass-farthing to this cash guzzler.

"After all we have to live with poor SNP rule"

When this exercise goes pear-shaped, we (the electorate) should remember that it was the Labour controlled council who dreamt up this nightmare. The SNP were for cancelling this half-baked project but didn't get the majority needed to do so.

The tram scheme is obviously the reason for cuts in services, etc in this Town and this is again thanks to Labour whom I won't ever be supporting again.

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mark jacobs,

edinburgh 21/07/2008 19:34:11
yep the trams are comming !!!!and so are hundreds of "huge "massive ugly pylons,that are going to be erected to hold up the electric cables to power the trams along the road as illistrated slightly on a bill board on princes street.these bloody eye sores will totally ruin the look of leith walk as you stand looking from picardy place looking down the walk and also the character and look of princes street .my god can you imagine these metal monsters every where, even right pass ma hoose and right out too the airport or there abouts .

 

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