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Labour insists there's no new U-turn on call for referendum



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Published Date: 12 May 2008
LABOUR today insisted there had been no new U-turn on the call for a referendum on Scottish independence.
And senior figures spoke out in support of Wendy Alexander amid speculation her leadership could not last much longer.

Ms Alexander went on television again yesterday, a week after she first dropped her bombshell demand for an immediate referendum
to call the SNP's bluff, and sought to clarify her position after seven days of party turmoil.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown told a Sunday newspaper he was "unpersuaded" of the case for a referendum, but Ms Alexander said Mr Brown had backed her right as Labour's leader in the Scottish Parliament to decide on the approach to be taken north of the Border.

She also repeated her central argument that Scots should be allowed a vote on the country's constitutional future.

Ms Alexander said the SNP had made it clear it would block any attempt to stage a referendum earlier than its planned date of 2010, but she said Labour MSPs would not defeat the Bill to pave the way for a referendum.

She added: "We have said the people of Scotland should be allowed to speak and we will not vote down the opportunity for Scots to speak, but we will want to harry them on things like what the question is, what the process is."

Former minister Malcolm Chisholm, Labour MSP for Edinburgh North & Leith, said he could not understand weekend headlines claiming there had been a U-turn in Labour's position. He said: "The position has been the same throughout the last week.

"We believe in the right of the Scottish people to have a say and we will continue to harry the SNP on this."

He said he was amazed at the SNP arguing Ms Alexander should resign because Labour in Scotland and Labour in London were taking different positions.

He said: "No-one is saying Gordon Brown takes an identical position to Wendy Alexander. That's what devolution is all about.

"Wendy Alexander has a right to take a position on this issue and Gordon Brown recognises that right."

Many of Labour's Westminster MPs have been privately critical of Ms Alexander, some saying she should resign.

But Falkirk West MP Eric Joyce today defended her and her right to take a different stance from Westminster.

He said: "Wendy Alexander is the leader in the Scottish Parliament and she has to set her own strategy.

"She is an imaginative and bold leader in Scotland and I think she has a good future ahead of her."

The SNP branded Ms Alexander the "Comical Alexander of Scottish politics".

An aide to the First Minister said the situation was "utterly farcical". And he added: "As far as we are concerned, it is the best possible birthday present Labour could have given the Scottish Government."





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  • Last Updated: 12 May 2008 10:14 AM
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1

Endangeredscot,

12/05/2008 11:43:10
"She also repeated her central argument that Scots should be allowed a vote on the country's constitutional future."

Re-write:

"She also repeated her central lie, despite having argued vociferously against a vote on a referendum"
2

John Knox furr First Meenister,

12/05/2008 12:16:02
Good old Wendy. Much talk of 'harrying' the SNP. Buzz word of the week. And calling their bluff too. And all done so wonderfully successfuly. What a deadly opposition leader she is shaping up to be.
3

Vivas,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 12:16:05
Typical EEN "political" article treating it's readers like numpties and with the usual lack of balance thrown in.

4

allknowing,

12/05/2008 12:17:48
Erm, what did bendy Wendy say only a couple of weeks ago r.e a referendum!!

5

Scotish Exile,

12/05/2008 12:21:47
What mind bending drugs is Eric Joyce on...."She is an imaginative and bold leader in Scotland and I think she has a good future ahead of her."....aye right, Eric, please remove your nose from Wendy's rectum
6

Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 12/05/2008 12:28:50
Marks oot o ten hen.........nul point.........really there is no point in Wendy continuing as leader (?)
7

Edward,

12/05/2008 12:38:11
#6 Farmernot,
Have to disagree, for entertainment value alone she is priceless!
If anyone wrote a soap based on politics, it would be Bendy Wendy wrote large
She is doing more damage to Labour in Scotland, than anyone can imagine
Watching her on tv or on FMQ's. is like watching a car crash in slow motion. You know whats going to happen, its not pretty, but you just have to watch!
She is typical of a talentless no hoper, with no proper back ground in politics or working life
The sad thing is, the rest of the Labour MSP's are just as hopeless, if they had any gumption, they would not have allowed her to become leader of the Labour group in Holyrood. But what can you expect after 8 plus years as the Holyrood adminstration, learned nothing as they were always told what to do by London
8

Dragonlord,

12/05/2008 12:38:16
Quote:
but Ms Alexander said Mr Brown had backed her right as Labour's leader in the Scottish Parliament

Down right LIE Broon has stated he told Bendy NOT to go ahaed with this and has since told her to SHUT UP!

Bendy Wendy must stay, as she is the best advert for REAL independance we could have.
9

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 12:38:30
No new U-turn ? They've made more U-turns than a caterpillar.
Gordon says that Wendy can say anything she wants in Holyrood ! That must really make Alex shake in his shoes.
10

Edward,

12/05/2008 12:44:40
Falkirk West MP Eric Joyce should be focusing on trying to keep a hold of his seat at the next general election instead of brown nosing Wendy Alexander. There is no points to be gained Eric, Wendy is damaged goods as is Gordon Brown.
Apparently brown nosing is nothing new, as he had been dubbed an "embarrassing sycophant" by ex-Labour deputy leader Roy Hattersley
11

Farmernot,

12/05/2008 12:49:38
#7 Edward

I agree its priceless..........and the long term damage to S Lab will be far fetching.....but it really only highlights what a useless individual she is.
I agree the rest are keech so its trouble all round. She is leaving a legacy behind her that will take some mending.....if it ever can.
12

Edward,

12/05/2008 12:52:16
'Many of Labour's Westminster MPs have been privately critical of Ms Alexander, some saying she should resign'
Actually one Scottish Labour MP stated that she was a F***ing Political Pigmy! Which I think is a bit much, she cant help being stupid
13

Edward,

12/05/2008 12:54:08
not so much a u turn, more like a dog chaising its own tail, and when it cant catch it will spin around in the opposite direction doing the same thing
14

steve 1511,

aberdeen 12/05/2008 13:15:27
eric joyce mp for falkirk west, who lives in south croydon london whos wife is a teacher in south croydon his family home is in south croydon and his kids go to school in south croydon,famous for his massive expense
claims,who would jump of a cliff if brown told him,amazing how an mp who lives in london can represent the people of falkirk,and is allowed massive expenses claims for doing so
15

antifa,

12/05/2008 13:31:03
When all is said and done this is still the right move for Scottish Labour. They have to be pro-referendum and demonstrably independent from Gordon Brown. Alexander may have sacrificed herself to achieve this (in large part because she did it in such an inept way), but it will leave the party in a less ridiculous position in the longer-term.
16

Paco Luna,

Bo'ness 12/05/2008 13:45:44
The way the Labour politicians continue to treat the public with utter contempt is bad enough but the press up here continuing to report this line they are spinning about their being no U-turn etc etc without any quetioning is absolutely mindblowing . People are not stupid - they know when they are being fed a crock of sh.. . I know the EEN support Scottish Labour but they are taking there grovelling too far if they are not asking questions about this fiasco.

U- Bendy Wendy is finished as leader - her credibility is absolutely shot . All of this spinning is only delaying the inevitable . Salmond must be absolutely delighted that they are trying to keep her leadership alive on a life support system. Every time she opens her mouth she blows another hole in her foot . The longer this goes on the more people shes going to take with her . As it stands just now the virtually the entire shadow cabinent have rendered themselves unelectable as leader - even Malcolm Chisolm who is normally quite sensible has taken leave of his senses.

It just keeps on and on . I think Salmonds target of 20 seats in the next general Election is a touch on the low side now and the next Scottish election will be a landslide for the SNP if they keep this up for much longer . As for the referendum in the words of U-bendy bring it on!

17

Arrow,

edinburgh 12/05/2008 13:47:21
if you do a u-turn on a u-turn are you not facing the way you did originally before the 1st u-turn? the 1st Minister should not be so critical of Wendy that the Libour Party in Scotland ditch her. she is a great recruiting officer for Scottish Independence Movement.
then again perhpas she is thinking of post-Independence when the SNP loses its reason for its existence and it breakes up into component parts. perhaps Wendy want to be the leader of the Real Scottish National Labour Party (Strathclyde Branch)?
Cunning eh?
18

Jwil,

12/05/2008 13:52:16
No one seems to know what Labour's position is, least of the electorate! Labour are just playing with words.

They seem to have no inhibitions about spouting lies.
Even today we are told that they are using class as a weapon to try to defeat the progress of the Tories in the Crewe by-election. I hope the electorate will recognize them for what they are. More Labour lies, which they have used to try to retain power in Scotland.
19

20something,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 13:54:53
She really is a first-class muppet. Off with her head!

Actually don't decapitate her, keep her exactly where she is as the longer she's there the better the SNP will do. Alex Salmond can sit back and shut up while he watches Wendy win over the public for him! Brilliance!

Long live Wendy! (heehee)
20

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/05/2008 14:01:13
Birl through 180 degrees. Then do another 180 degrees. Back facing the same way you were before as per #17.

So - you could argue there's been no U-turn! Well if you're a completely deluded numpty Labour voter I suppose. Now we're hearing (nevitably) that this was all part of the plan to harry the SNP. Predictably the next cunning plan will be to abstain from voting for the referendum proposed by the SNP. Worked last time didn't it?

Definitions:-
deluded: make unproven claims you are an "intellectually superior" Labour politician.

stupid: (1)just keep on doing the same old dumb things time after time after time. (2)endorse said stupidity in another whilst exhibiting the same behaviour.

21

Andrew Murphy,

EDINBURGH 12/05/2008 14:02:16
The answer to all this infighting’s quite simple.

If you don’t like the way our government operates, stand as an independent in the next election.

Both the British and Scottish parliaments have a lack of independents, and that’s because we’re all full of good advice on how our governments should be run, but we’re not prepared to stand by our own convictions.

When it comes to putting ourselves up as a credible opposition, we fail by accepting everything that’s dished out too us.

Filling both parliaments with independents would give all the party's such a shock, they wouldn't get over.
22

BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/05/2008 14:09:15
I'm convinced!

How was it possible that I had been mislead into believeing that Wendy was anything else than brilliant.

Without doubt I will now fall in behind der leader and march straight off the cliff with the rest of them.

Wunderbar!

Where do you send donations to the Save Wendy Campaign?
23

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/05/2008 15:18:53
This is really funny:

http://www.examiner.co.uk/views-and-blogs/reader-letters/2008/05/12/scotch-mist-of-independence-86081-20895181/
24

me150,

12/05/2008 15:37:26
What u-turn?
25

Bertie The Bat,

12/05/2008 15:56:47
Let the train take the strain.
26

me150,

12/05/2008 16:19:11
#23 yes funny but right.
27

Jwil,

12/05/2008 16:20:09
"Labour insists there's no new U-turn on call for referendum"

Perhaps this is the alternative universe that Des Browne was talking about.
28

me150,

12/05/2008 16:20:39
#20 you are such an idiot
29

me150,

12/05/2008 16:22:12
Labour want this referendum so it is carried out before Tory rule.

It is not a u-turn it is simply good politics.

Have you never changed your mind because of changing circumstances?
30

Foresight,

By The Water of Leith 12/05/2008 16:51:25

OK, so now the Scottish Labour Party have seen the light and called for a referendum on independence. So long as they are merely an ajunct of Labour in London they must realise that they can have no credibility with the people of Scotland so far as representing the best interests of the Nation are concerned. This will only be achieved when they can show that they are prepared to represent the best interests of Scotland at all times irrespective of what London says or wants. Logically therefore WA should seize the initiative and immediately break all ties with Labour in London and ensure that the Scottish Labour Party becomes truly Scottish. If she wants to survive as Leader then I suggest this is the minimum she must do to restore her shattered reputation.
31

pehman,

sussex 12/05/2008 17:05:07

Behind all of this fiasco, is that the SNP want to wait until there is a con gov in w/minster.

That is slab's main ascersion.

Why, when uuendy said this on National TV did Glenn boy not ask her "so you ADMIT labour will lose the general election"
32

me150,

12/05/2008 17:28:25
Forget reputations, forget SMPs, abolish the Scottish Government they just waste our money and achieve nothing except spen more money.
33

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 17:48:23
#32 The calibre of the unionist contributors to these threads never fails to amaze.

“forget SMP’s” indeed!

“spen more money”

Looks like the MSP’s should be spending more money on eduction.
34

me150,

12/05/2008 17:50:51
eduction....well they could if they knew what that actually is!!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 18:59:56
The BBC are missing a golden opportunity to make money.

Why don't they make a compilation DVD of Bendy's weekly slaughtering at FMQ's I particularly enjoyed the one inflicted by Nicola a fortnight ago.
39

druidh,

edinburgh 12/05/2008 19:18:36
I have to admit to some sympathy with Wendy Alexander. Perhaps she and I had the same misconception - that she was clever, astute, a born leader. And I would genuinely have welcomed that - even as a SNP supporter. After all, Scotland NEEDS all the brightest people we can muster. But who can blame us? The media fawned over her before her appointment, and have been willing to overlook her poor performance and her dishonesty. She is in the position of getting NO negative feedback and plainly believes she's a lot better than she really is. This last week, with even some Scotsman articles coming out against her, must have been a genuine shock.
40

me150,

12/05/2008 19:21:54
The FMQs certainly appear to play out depending on your political preference.

Looking in with an impartial veiw each and almost every barage of arguements can be taken as you wish simply because no-one ever appears top answer any questions.

These question do nothing for politics, at least since they have been broadcast, because they have simply turned into a slagging match.

Politics is meant to be about coming up with policies to provide solutions. Too much time is spent knife twisting and not enough on politics.

Perhaps we should campaign for the MSPs salaries to be linked to their productive time.
41

Julian,

EDINBURGH 12/05/2008 22:48:25
Dragonlord,

If a mediocre leader of the opposition (who wasn't even leader when elected) is your best argument for independence then I'm afraid your case isn't very strong.

By the way, where is your source of information that Brown told her not to go ahead with this and has since told her to shut up?
42

Julian,

EDINBURGH 12/05/2008 22:56:44
For those who say Wendy has done a u-turn,

When did Wendy state she was against a referendum?

If she did and it was before the last election then have you never heard the expression "when events change, so do my opinions"?

We now have an SNP government demanding a referendum. Prior to May 2007 we never had that. So she is quite entitled to change her mind under these new circumstances.
43

Alan B,

12/05/2008 23:43:59
#42 Rubbish

she said she was against a referendum in a tv interview in march this yr. only a couple of months ago.
44

Julian,

EDINBURGH 12/05/2008 23:50:10
#43 Interesting,

Either your wrong or she is an idiot. Can you tell me what program she said that on?
45

Alan B,

12/05/2008 23:53:32
#41 Julian

i suggest u actually listen to the interviews and what brown said in the commons.

Wendy said she wanted an early referendum and would bring a bill if the snp did not. And said she had browns backing. brown said she did not want a referendum in the commons despite it being in a tv interview for all to hear. Wendy then went back on and said she was pro an early referendum. Brown has subsequently come out and said he is not persuaded about a referendum.

This has lead to leaks from both browns and wendies crew. A labour msp at holyrood said brown had agreed to the referendum but had changed his mind and had bottled it. Browns supporter have slagged wendy off,saying brown has read her the riot act. Wendy has subsequently
softened her line, saying they may not support it becuase of the wording etc. An apparent reversal from earlier in the week.
46

Alan B,

12/05/2008 23:58:03
#Julian

Sorry cannot tell u the program. Saw a clip of the interview on i think newsnight as they were showing the reversal.

She has been asked many time to explain when she changed her mind. She has said she has long believed in a referendum but could not publicly say so as it was not party policy. She said she had to the party with her.

Seemingly she has been trying to persuade Brown over the merits of a referndum for a while.
47

Alan B,

13/05/2008 00:01:02
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/magnus_linklater/article3889960.ece

"On the question of a referendum, she was unequivocal. She and her party were against it. “It is not my politics,” she said — and what is more, she pointed out, the SNP administration was unable to muster enough support for one. In a BBC interview in March she emphasised again that a referendum was not in the interests of Scotland because it would divert attention from the real issues. The party's position was that a legal referendum could only be introduced by the Government at Westminster. Anything else would simply be a form of opinion poll."

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Alan B,

13/05/2008 00:04:12
#Julian

i googled an found this aswell.

On 28th March Ms Alexander said to Brian Taylor that she was opposed to a referendum "Because I don't believe in independence, it's as simple as that", "It's not my politics" and "Those who want it should argue for it".
49

Julian,

EDINBURGH 13/05/2008 00:17:25
AlanB,

Thanks for that. I think we need a bit more substance than that. The quote you gave was a 5 words taken from a comment article by Magnus Linklater. It doesn't even say what date it is from.

If you watch the politics show from yesterday she says that she has gone public with the idea of a referendum, a belief she has held for a long time. Is she so imcompetent that she would say such a thing if there is clear evidence she said the opposite earlier this year?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhTBGyoUxAw
50

Julian,

EDINBURGH 13/05/2008 00:23:20
AlanB,

I agree. She has some explaining to do.
51

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 13/05/2008 00:47:21
Julian, she said it at Labours Spring conference.

If you believe, (as was stated in the article in the Daily Record, that she had this cunning idea last year,then you have to believe, according to the same article, that Wendy also said It's not that Scotland can't go it alone, it's just that she thought that we shouldn't. If that's true, then she didn't tell the Scottish people that either!

 

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