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Published Date: 18 July 2008
LABOUR campaigners were yesterday accused of panicking about the result of the Glasgow East by-election after it emerged that they had begun a strategy to cope with possible confusion over candidate names.
As polling day draws closer, party strategists on all sides are expecting a low turn-out for the crucial by-election, making a tight result more likely in what was a safe Labour seat with a majority of 13,500.

This has caused concerns in the Labour camp that confusion between their candidate Margaret Curran and Scottish Socialist Party candidate Frances Curran could prove crucial.

The SSP candidate appears ahead of Margaret Curran on the ballot paper because her forename starts with a letter that appears first in the alphabet.

There is also a worry over a repeat of the 2007 election fiasco where confusion about ballot papers led to many being voided. In that election, voters in Glasgow East's Scottish Parliament constituencies were among those with the most void papers.

As a result, Margaret Curran's campaign team has decided to leave nothing to chance.

All the leaflets the party is now producing carry a mock picture of a ballot paper, showing the two Currans with a cross by the one Labour want voters to support.

Activists have also been told to emphasise the point to voters when they go around knocking doors.

A campaign insider told The Scotsman: "We are taking unusual measures to tackle this problem. It's not unheard of in elections, but obviously we want to leave nothing to chance. For instance, Malcolm Chisholm had to run against another Chisholm in a recent election."

He added: "We expect Margaret to win, but the worst thing to do is take the voters for granted, and we know we are in a fight."

The SNP have said that the fact Labour are taking the "two Currans" issue so seriously shows that they are afraid of losing to the Nationalists' candidate John Mason.

"Clearly, we have made inroads in Glasgow East and Labour are panicking," a spokeswoman said.

"Labour are so concerned about losing around 50 votes because of a confusion over candidate names that they are going to these extraordinary lengths. That shows precisely how close this by-election is and that we can win it."

Frances Curran, a former MSP, said she has already been mistaken for Margaret Curran but she is adamant that she can do well on her own, without benefiting from mistaken identity.

She has also fiercely denied suggestions that she was put forward as a candidate because of her name.

"I don't want Margaret Curran's reputation for selling out. I kept my principles, she took the perks," she said.

The constituency should, in theory, be a good target for the far Left SSP.

However, in 2005, the first time this constituency was contested in this form, the SSP secured just 1,079 votes, or 3.5 per cent of the total, although this was considerably less than it got in the area in 2001.

Since then, the party has split with the creation of Solidarity, following the fall-out from the court case involving the former SSP leader, Tommy Sheridan.

Solidarity has also put up a candidate for the by-election, Tricia McLeish.

Knife-crime plea to candidates

A MOTHER whose son was knifed to death made an emotional plea to the main candidates in the Glasgow East by-election last night for tougher measures to fight knife crime.

Christine Halley, whose 19-year-old son, Stuart Naillie, was killed in Easterhouse last August, appealed for the politicians to support mandatory prison sentences for knife possession. But all four candidates present at a debate for BBC's Newsnight Scotland said they were unwilling to impose Draconian measures.

This is despite a call last week from Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, for there to be a presumption of jail or a hefty community service punishment in order to tackle the spate of teenage knife killings over the past year.

John Mason, the SNP candidate, said he was not sure that prisons would be able to cope if every knife-carrier was sent to jail, a point with which Liberal Democrat candidate, Ian Robertson, agreed. Davena Rankin, the Tory candidate, said there should be a "presumption" of imprisonment but did not want to "bind judges' hands".

Margaret Curran, the Labour candidate, said people who committed a crime while on bail, or repeat offenders, should be jailed, and she was "inclined" to support mandatory sentences for possession.

• A youth in his late teens was stabbed to death in south Lambeth, south London, last night.

Did Labour steal Tories' moves?

LABOUR yesterday denied it was running out of ideas after appearing to steal a photocall concept from the Conservatives.

Margaret Curran, the Labour candidate, joined a dancing and yoga class for a photocall yesterday as she continued her fight to hold Glasgow East for Labour.

But the picture had distinct similarities to one organised on Wednesday involving the Conservative candidate, Davena Rankin, and Scottish party leader Annabel Goldie.

It would not be the first time Labour was accused of stealing ideas from the Tories. In his last Budget, the Chancellor, Alistair Darling, was said to have taken all the main proposals from shadow chancellor George Osborne's conference speech.

Labour said other parties were doing the same photocalls as itself at other times. "There's only a limited number of things you can do on a campaign and venues you can go to, so there's always going to be some cross-over between us all," a spokesman said.

Both photocalls were meant to highlight the parties' drives to encourage fitness in a constituency with one of the worst health records in Britain.


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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

18/07/2008 00:10:51

What as state, a party that is supposes to be fighting for the poor, relying on the illiterate to vote for it...... sickening stuff

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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 00:11:21
Labour alerts voters to double jeopardy of 'the two Currans' ... aye ...via it's tame Northbritishman comic and Northbritishman website.

Yes...another SLAB press-release masterfully conveyed to us by the gifted journalists of The Northbritishman. Only one problem with it though. No one in Glasgow East gives a flying ferk what The Northbritishman says. In fact I live in Embra East and no-one HERE gives a flying ferk what it says either ;-)
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Power in a Union,

Scotland 18/07/2008 00:13:52
Why aren't the SNP seeking to confuse voters further by describing their candidate as "Alex Salmond for First Minister" or similar? Shurely it can't be that our FM has become shhy?
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 18/07/2008 00:17:05
The only photocall the liebour party will not be able to copy is when the SNP win the bi-election GB is booted out of parliament and SCOTLAND goes for INDEPENDENCE....
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John PM,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 00:20:41
One is a Scottish socialist and the other one is a foreluck tugging Brit. It's not that hard to work it out!
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18/07/2008 00:25:44
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John PM,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 00:27:39
I notice that Curran doesn't even take her Rosette off when she goes to the gym, that must be some strenuous workout! Still stealing ideas from the Tories is probably better than doing her own thing since it always seems to end in disaster. Surely she can dig up some other independence supporting person who will lie about it later on? How about another 90 year old war veteran who's really a 60 year old Labour activist? Come on Margaret how abvourt a blatant lie about living your entire life in the East End or the usual hypocritical boll*x about how the SNP are all extreme nationalists even though you yourself are an imperialist Brit Nat, nope that's all been done already... back to the drawing board.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 00:33:04
#12 Alberto

Ugh, what a thought! Still, it gives me an good excuse to delay creosoting my fences. I was going to visit Wickes on Saturday. Maybe I'll give it a miss...

London Road, eh? What an outrage! Would you rename it, post-independence? ;-)
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 00:35:10
#8 Wilhelm

It's a Billy Bragg song. He's English. You might not have heard of him.
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18/07/2008 00:38:04
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Utterly Ashamed,

18/07/2008 00:44:59
Anybody notice Glen Campbell letting Margaret of the hook during the debate last night when asked about the outgoing MPs office and where it was located. I thought Margarets little "blame England" tirade at the begginning of the question on the issue was a little OTT and desperate.

Labour in Scotland have got to be the most priceless, corrupt and without shame. Monkeys would serve you better and manage more effectively.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 18/07/2008 00:46:13
Surely Liebaaah does not think that its voters are so thick that they cant tell the differnce between 2 Currans. They are not exactly twins now are they?
15

monkey man,

18/07/2008 00:48:09
If anyone is stupid enough that they can't tell the difference between the two candidates they should be barred from voting.
16

Tynietiger,

18/07/2008 00:52:01
I have rarely seen such as biased interviewer than Glenn Campbell, with appropriate red tie, on last night’s Newsnight debate. Fresh from allowing Labour’s Mike Dailly to hijack last Sunday’s Politics Show debate with a non story, he, like the recent Question Time programme, ensured that Labour was allowed to answer all the major topics after the SNP spokesperson.

He regularly quoted and attributed Margaret Curran’s campaign points, but not those of any of the other panellists, then dredged up a seven year old email in attempt to embarrass John Mason but did not tackle Mrs Curran when she lied about not knowing that the resigning Labour MP used his house as his constituency office.

Also he did not tackle Curran on her statement that she lived in the constituency or asked her about the rumour I heard some months ago from a Labour Party source that she was the one who leaked details of Wendy Alexander’s expenses to the Sunday Herald.

Near the end, Curran was allowed to go on at length but Glenn Campbell then interrupted and curtailed John Mason’s answer. His bias is becoming embarrassing.

I trust SNP supporters will write to the Chairman of BBC Scotland to complain.
Or is it only Labour who are allowed to claim political bias on part of the BBC?
17

Willie Mor,

18/07/2008 00:55:02
I had it from a friend in the Labour Party that nobody else could possibly win in Glasgow East because that is their seat. Always has been, always will be.

Taking the voters for granted would be an understatement, but such comments do indeed highlight the disdain with which labour treats the electorate.

Might be in for a tad of a surprise though. The voters may well have other plans!

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Power in a Union,

Scotland 18/07/2008 00:57:39
AM2 is quite correct in identifying William Bragg as the source of the moniker. And before any of the cyber nats point out that the song refers to trade unions, I am of, as someone who has a number of Mr Bragg's CDs, well aware of this. I did however choose it as I knew it would wind some of you up.

I am completely puzzled however as to the introduction by correspondent 16 (Utterly ashamed) of Hitler - you should be ashamed to reduce the debate to this level!
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18/07/2008 00:59:44
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Wisnaeme,

18/07/2008 01:05:04

Is that a photo of Margaret Curran doing the soft shoe shuffle for the shoe in?

Surely that photo wasn't taken in Barlanark Community Health Shop?

Isn't fortunate that such a place still exists for Margaret to make her moves in it.

But then, as per usual, Margaret Curran and New Labour are somewhat lax in appropriating the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in their wee photo
shooting opportunities in the Glasgow East campaign.

tinyurl.com/54pk5n


Do us all a favour Margaret. Shuffle aff back ta yer wee shack in the South side.

My, herself and New Labour's desperate economies with awkward details are a wonder to behold.
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18/07/2008 01:13:19
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aedis,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 02:02:07
Fantastic comments re Billy Bragg.

Of course he is a well known supporter of Scottish independence.

I think his song 'Take down the Union Jack' says it all-

Take down the Union Jack, it clashes with the sunset
And ask our Scottish neighbours if independence looks any good
‘Cos they just might understand how to take an abstract notion
Of personal identity and turn it into nationhood

Did anyone else spot on Newsnight Scotland that Margaret Curran thought David Marshall, the resigned MP was "value for money"!

After taking half a million quid in expenses!

What sort of heist is she planning?

http://tinyurl.com/658r22

I think we should be told.
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18/07/2008 02:40:20
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VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

castlemilk 18/07/2008 02:46:19
I watched the Newsnight debate and thought John Mason the SNP man did well.
Glen Campbell ,the presenter (is he a Rhinestone Cowboy ?) couldn't really probe the former Labour MP's half million pound kitchenette office as the beeb needs Labour to keep the funds rolling in for it's biased anti Scottish output.
The Tory candidate was quite nice looking and seemed genuine but won't get anywhere in Glasgow East.
Margaret Curran was scary as usual and if she wins will drift into the back benches at Westminster and stick her snout in the trough and never be heard of again.
Didn't even notice the Lib Dem bloke. Wallpaper I suppose like the rest of the Lib Dems.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/07/2008 02:50:09
Currans Lies

"The position has been confirmed by expert after expert, as has the financial gap of more than £11 billion that would affect Scotland under the SNP. The individual bill for each family in Scotland would be more than £5000—and that would be just the beginning."

"I have lived in the East End all my life."

"I am not sure why the Scottish Parliament was not good enough for Alex Salmond before.... He is such a modest man that he wants to be in two Parliaments at the same time. He is quite an interesting man."

"We have some of the highest-performing schools in the east end of Glasgow. We have quality and choice in housing, which had been denied to people for too long. Businesses are flourishing, there are job opportunities and levels of poverty have been slashed,"


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yankey,

Bo'ness Harbour 18/07/2008 03:17:09

In days gone by when Liebor ruled If a large company wanted a Prime Site to

DEVELOPE

They formed a £1 company with say 1,000 shares and then approached the local Politicians and the Senior Civil Service Staff to ensure that they could buy the site at well below market value and gave them a share or two.

Does this seem familier to anyone

In a few years time they are worth a fortune

Help us and do not let this happen in Bo'ness

Expose this theft

Write Email Phone
Falkirk Council
Tell the Labour party Pat Reid and the Bo'ness Traitor Mahoney and the Lib Dums Sopport that

Scotland is no longer for SALE


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18/07/2008 03:20:09
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18/07/2008 03:27:42
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/07/2008 04:07:34
33-35 If you want a reply speak to people your fellow posters with respect.
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18/07/2008 04:10:38
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18/07/2008 04:29:07
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john z,

edinburgh 18/07/2008 05:29:18
I watched the Newsnight debate, and I agree the bias in favour of hardline unionists like Margaret Curran, was very obvious. Is it not time the EBC understood the political landscape in Scotland has changed.

In terms of Curran, I found she spoke a lot, but actually said very little. All of her answers were fudges. Yes and no, clearly do not exist in the London Labour media guidebook.

Let's hope the good people of Glasgow east show these hardline unionists like Curran what they think, and give fake eastender Curran a good electoral kicking on polling day.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/07/2008 05:44:20
#38 By respect I mean call Parties people and other bodies by there proper names

Argue against them and what you think is wrong but do it with the decency and respect.
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cabrach loon,

inverness 18/07/2008 06:26:00
so very sad the bbc has lost its integrity and impartiality on the local and world stage, in addition from watching it one gets the impression that the uk is 50% south asian yet I read recently that uk immigrant minorities are under/represented on tv etc. for heavens sake every judge and police lieutenany on us tv is black and the uk is going the same way, i doubt it.
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An Beal Bacht,

18/07/2008 06:27:58
14 - AM2, Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 00:33:04 wrote:

"#12 Alberto

London Road, eh? What an outrage! Would you rename it, post-independence? ;-)"

The road to hell?
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An Beal Bacht,

18/07/2008 06:33:37
15 - AM2, Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 00:35:10 wrote:

":#8 Wilhelm

It's a Billy Bragg song. He's English. You might not have heard of him."

Great song about workers:

There Is Power In A Union

by Billy Bragg

There is power in a factory, power in the land
Power in the hand of the worker
But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand
There is power in a Union

Now the lessons of the past were all learned with workers blood
The mistakes of the bosses we must pay for
From the cities and the farmlands to trenches full of mud
War has always been the bosses way, sir

The Union forever,defending our rights
Down with the blackleg,all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters from many far-off lands
There is power in a Union

Now I long for the morning that they realise
Brutality and unjust laws cannot defeat us
But who'll defend the workers who cannot organise
When the bosses send their lackeys out to cheat us?

Money speaks for money,the Devil for his own
Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?
What a comfort for the widow,a light to the child
There is power in a Union

The Union forever,defending our rights
Down with the blackleg,all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters together we will stand
There is power in a Union
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An Beal Bacht,

18/07/2008 06:39:31
Think the labour party still believes this?
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Anne,

Eaglesham 18/07/2008 06:39:53
1970 June General Election: constituency, Dundee East, six weeks after local elections took place.

Outside Douglas Primary polling station, a small band of workers from a varuiety of parties are handing out leaflets to intending voters.

A wee Dundee wifie emerges and says triumphantly to the two Labour activists manning the date, "Eh, well, that's me given JL his vote again."

Cue gnashing of teeth and wailing from aforesaid Labourites. Thanks to their party's laziness in not taking down its local election street furniture, large swathes of their support in the area thought they were voting for JL Stewart, their local councillor, but had in fact given their vote to Allan Stewart the Conservative candidate.

Oh how we others on that particular gate laughed tthat day!
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Teamdroid,

18/07/2008 06:43:12
Billy Bragg a favourite in your record collection, AM2? Amusing, given that his political views on the Union are almost diametrically opposed to yours - he recognises the blessing that is a good neighbour, rather than a grumpy lodger. He's an English socialist and proud of both, and comes across well in his Guardian blogs.
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Munter,

Musselburgh 18/07/2008 06:44:24
"Frances Curran... has also fiercely denied suggestions that she was put forward as a candidate because of her name."
I know the facts can be a tricky issue for journalists but Frances Curran was chosen to stand for the SSP on the Thursday night when the Labour candidate was still whatshisname.
Margaret Curran's name wasn't even mentioned in relation to the Labour candidacy until the Saturday and she wasn't named until the Monday night.
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Jimmy the Pie,

18/07/2008 07:19:14
The BBC and their trained monkey Glen Campbell were shocking last night.

Their bias was unbelievable, but I don't think the electorate were fooled.

Who was speaking to him, prompting him?????

Was he hearing Lard Foolkes voice in his head???

He's obviously not able to think for himself, or he wouldn't have asked the stupid questions he did.

The taxi driver was spot on.

Taxi for Glen Campbell!!

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McMillar,

Fife 18/07/2008 07:30:49
Is it not over yet? Just elect someone and get on with it please. ZZZzzz.
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Jimmy the Pie,

18/07/2008 07:32:17
AM2

Are you getting mixed up with The Strawbs, Part Of The Union, from the early 70's???
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jacquesmac,

18/07/2008 07:37:44
Lokks as though it is getting very close when Libore need to skin a few votes from the poor wee SSP
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 07:41:38
A sure sign that Labour know they are heading for a loss.

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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 18/07/2008 07:47:10
Despite her many blatant lies, there is one thing that Ms Curran proved beyond all doubt.....

An empty drum makes the most noise!

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 07:53:37
#6 Writes:-

“Why aren't the SNP seeking to confuse voters further by describing their candidate as "Alex Salmond for First Minister" or similar? Shurely it can't be that our FM has become shhy?”

Judging by this posters use of a moniker taken from a musician who supports independence, and his original approach to spelling, I suspect that it may not just be the voters in Glasgow East who suffer from a degree of confusion.
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Shurley,

A golf course somewhere near Aberdeen 18/07/2008 07:54:22
#55 Alex, come on, yo usahould be on the golf course with me and Donald, after all, if it hadn't been for your intervention, those stupid pewople of Aberdeen would have missed out on all the free meals....glad Alex had the savvy to comprehend that there is a free lunch, especially if you can overturn the decision of the local cooncil (sic)
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18/07/2008 07:56:45
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 18/07/2008 07:58:34
at least margret curran had the decency to spare us the sight of her doing her aerobics in a red leotard,this women must not be allowed to kiss bairns,the fear that her face will plant in their minds will be traumatic in their lives
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 08:00:32
#55 Councillor Stephen Curran - City Treasurer

Surely he is not the Nu Mouth's husband or brother? Surely not another Labour double act in politics?
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18/07/2008 08:00:50
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Jimmy the Pie,

18/07/2008 08:06:16
From Timesonline today,

"Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling are to attempt to borrow their way out of Britain’s economic problems by drastically revising the rules that have governed Labour’s stewardship of the economy for 11 years.

The Chancellor is expected to change the fiscal rules in the autumn to enable borrowing to go beyond the maximum 40 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) allowed under the existing rules."

This must be wrong!

Comrade Broon said we've the best economy in the west!

THE HOUSE OF CARDS IS COLLAPSING

and not a moment too soon!!!
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Linda,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 08:13:26
# 21 is spot on about anti SNP bias in last night's newsnight. In addition to the unchalleged lies mentioned above from Mrs Curran here is another one.

Margaret Curran claimed that she voted to support a second UN resolution on Iraq back in 2003, as quoted on stv last week. A quick check of the Official Report for the two debates in January and March that year show that Curran voted for amendments which removed calls for a second resolution, and the text of the amended motions she supported simply noted that there were attempts to secure one. So she's been lying again and yet the press haven't bothered to fact-check her.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 08:18:06
Following on from the travesty that was the recent Question Time from Musselburgh last night's Newsnight debate was a disgraceful example of political bias by the hardline unionists at the BBC.

Presumably the selection of questions to be taken is decided by the BBC and it is obvious that this was done to minimise the pressure put on Curran.

Firstly, about 50% of the available debating time was given over to knife crime which, although a serious problem, is not exactly a party political matter.

When the matter of a referendum was briefly brought up Curran was noticably silent and Campbell never asked her what her views on the subject were.

There was no mention of the Council Tax Freeze and its proposed replacement by Local Income Tax nor of the scrapping of the 10% Tax Band which are party political and of great relevance to all voters in particular those in Glasgow East.

It is high time the Hardline Unionist Bias in The BBC was dealt with.

I'm not asking for a pro independence BBC just a level playing field.

If the media both printed and broadcast lost its inbuilt Hardline Unionist Bias just imagine how much support for independence would rise.

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Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 18/07/2008 08:27:39
Isn't it a fact that most of the subjects of interest to voters are now with Holyrood, and this is a Westminster by-election.

We don't really need MP's at all.
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 18/07/2008 08:32:51
The first letter in the alphabet is "A", dummy.
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pehman,

sussex 18/07/2008 08:40:05

T F i F,

See you all in Glasgow east tomorrow, I'm on my way
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Bob M,

Paisley 18/07/2008 08:47:59
Vote for Mags! She's counting on those John Lewis vouchers....

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Davex,

London 18/07/2008 08:59:11
I disagree with people who claim that the BBC is anti SNP. Its actually pro Labour in every part of the UK.
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1745,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 09:00:15
Last night's Newsnight was a total disgrace Uber biased Campbell allowed Curran more time than any other candidate. Curran's favoutite word is "I"she is a liar and appears to fancy herself as an actress.
Campbell, the beeb's labour representative should be removed from our screens entirely his voice would grate carrots.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 18/07/2008 09:07:37
As a Tory I am having a good laugh at the moronic behaviour of Liebour and Esh En Pee . Scoatlin free by 93 - is that 2093 ??
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Marian,

18/07/2008 09:11:38
If Margaret Curran is the best candidate that New Labour can find to stand for Westminter in Glasgow East, then no wonder New Labour is in such deep trouble in Scotland. Her harridan style performance in last nights Newsnight "debate" was abysmal and most certainly not up to the high standard that we should expect from a candidate for Westminster. As for the "debate" itself, the BBC should be ashamed of itself for putting on such a chaotic and unbalanced programme. The SNP and Tory candidates were the only ones that shone through an otherwise dire look at Scottish politics.
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kt mcallan,

scotland 18/07/2008 09:12:13
Margaret millionaire curran - empty vessels make the most sound right enough. Plenty of hot air blowing oot her mooth, nae substance.
Glen Campbell - trained EBC monkey.
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kt mcallan,

scotland 18/07/2008 09:16:08
Margaret millionaire curran thinks the people of glasgow east got "good value" from David Marshall and the EBC's trained monkey, Glen Campbell let her off with it.
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donald,

glasgow 18/07/2008 09:16:27
The Current Affairs must have Liebour really worried, when some of them might put an F in front of the M.

Effin tragedy.
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donald,

glasgow 18/07/2008 09:17:28
Frances was shown hugging Maggie on TV and shaking hauns, when she should have stuck the heid oan her.
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John S,

18/07/2008 09:20:59
Margaret Curran has been on Newsnight Scotland defending David Marshall, the resigned MP, as "value for money".
House of Commons: Between 21 March 2001 and 13 May 2008 David Marshall MP has asked a total of 318 written and oral questions.
What is the cost of answering a parliamentary question ? Oral question costs £385 on average.Written question costs £140 on average.
Has voted in 55% of votes in parliament — well below average amongst MPs. (From Public Whip)
Has spoken in 13 debates in the last year — below average amongst MPs.
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John BC,

Banffshire 18/07/2008 09:24:43
John Mason the SNP candidate was by far the most honest in last night’s debate. Glen Campbell showed his true anti SNP colours again. What a disappointment. He let Labours M Curran away with ducking every question and allowing her to interrupt John Mason every time he spoke. He never challenged Labour on their deceit and lies but was quick to attack John on an old letter which was a none story. Where did he dig this up from?
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Andra, Dundee,

18/07/2008 09:27:55
The content of posts on this site provide good argument for democracy being abolished completely. More than half of our population are half wits - yet they are the ones who criticise politicians.
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tog,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 09:33:05
Could not detect any bias in the Newsnight debate last night but maybe I fell asleep and normally I will watch anything on politics. Ironically in the rest of the country the lead story on Newsnight was the Glasgow by election and they got a very interesting piece by Michael Crick which was perhaps the best coverage of the contest I have yet seen. Why this debate was on Newsnight I'm not sure. Felt more like one of the pre election debates usually shown on BBC 1. Admittedly the viewers would have fled but as BBC 1 was showing a repeat of a Question of Sport compilation why was this on BBC2?
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 09:34:03
84 Andra

Which half of the population do you consider yourself to be in?
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Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 18/07/2008 09:41:41
I agree with #84.
Just look at the last elections and the people who cant follow instructions correctly.
There should be some form of IQ test to prove you have the intelligence to understand the problems before you can vote!
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AJ Fife,

18/07/2008 09:41:42
Sounds like Mr Glenn Campbell will need a bit of 're-educating' come the great day!

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Alan B,

18/07/2008 09:43:40
#tog

Not sure how u can say u could not detect biase on Newnight. Campbell is so strongly supportive of labour it is getting ridiculous. Brewer is far better.

An example the other day was Campbell the other day repeatly asking the snp candidate if he was hardline (becuase he supported independence).

All the 4 parties are taking hardlines on the consitution with snp for indepdence and tories and labour for the union. So why single out the snp to try to get him to say he was hardline.

Then predictibly labour then rush out and say snp in turmoil beucase candidate comes out as hardline. An snp candidate that supports independence. shock horror.

Why in yesterdays newsnight did he let the first 2 candidates talk freely answering a question put to them and then bring up that the taggart actor supporting labour was a blow for the snp to try to distract the snp candidate from answering the question. He could equally and more relevantly brought up the fact that the taggart actor was slagging of the union and supporting indepdence so strongly on Andrew Neils politics show at the time of the last election.

If you have any doubts about campbells support for labour remember who wendy choose to interview with when come out after the dodgy donations.

The guy is a joke.

Brewer is the only newsnight interviewer with any credibility as he gives all the interviewees a hard time.
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Andra, Dundee,

18/07/2008 09:44:35
#86 brownlie
I’m in the half that posts pointless or petty or vindictive posts on this site – same half as you!

Actually come to think of it - I suppose only a tiny fraction post here so the situation is possibly not as dire as you'd be lead to believe reading this site.
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George Mackay,

Dundee 18/07/2008 09:45:27
87 Sally Longlegs

Sally Longlegs. You sound gorgeous, hen.

The IQ test should be for politicians. All wannabe MPs should take an IQ test and a lie detector test too.
79

George Mackay,

Dundee 18/07/2008 09:49:09
61 steve 1511

I'm waiting to see Shrek and Donkey (Salmond and Swinney) prancing around in leotards.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 18/07/2008 09:53:05
Not sure which Curran I would prefer to bodyswerve most - the Pink Power Dresser or the out and out Hardline Communist. Both scarey in their own way and Jaws certainly managed to hog a lot of the limelight on the Newsnight debate if it could be graced with that name. John Mason felt moved at one point to be allowed to answer the question as Margaret had already had enough time. He came across as being more level-headed and prepared to answer the question, but could do with a bit more polish in his presentation. The Lib-Dum and Conservative candidates seemed a bit out of their depth.

The taxi driver seemed to be one of the only people there who was coming across with a valid point. The CofS lady meenister must have thought it was the weekly sermon as she was looking for "good news" about Glasgow East - was she a Wendy plant?

I don't the rest of the audience was stunned or Glen just didn't allow any vociferous comment but there was hardly a peep out of them. Strange given the amount of issues facing Glasgow East and aspects like fuel and food prices.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 18/07/2008 09:53:58
For "I don't" above, read "I think". Apologies!
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 09:55:39
#23 Power in a Union

Re #16's now, thankfully deleted Hitler reference. I would say this is a classic case of the internet phenomenon known as "Goodwin's Law":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
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yolanda,

18/07/2008 09:57:08
It's ridiculous to suggest that Frances Curran was deliberately put forward because of her name. Nobody knew WHO the Labour candidate was going to be, because nobody wanted the job, until they scraped the bottom of the barrel and came up with Margaret Curran!

Why was Glenn Campbell allowed to bring up the Dorothy Grace Elder letter? It had no place in what was supposed to be a fair debate.

As for Margaret Curran stating that she truly believes that Marshall, who fleeced the taxpayers for everything his greedy fat fingers could snatch, while turning in a very poor attendance and performance, was value for money!! On that basis alone, she should be viewed with suspicion. If that's her idea of Labour representing the constituents and giving value for money, she really hasn't a clue of what they are supposed to do at all. The east end of Glasgow deserves better than this.
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Miss H,

18/07/2008 09:59:08
post 6 - perthaps because he already is First Minister?

Post 66 - I thought that was ineresting as well. Knife crime is not a reserved matter, it's devolved, as were the majority of issues discussed. They mentioned fuel prices but not the abolition of the 10p tax band which will have affected a lot of people in Glasgow East.

Even if people don't accept claims of bias it is poor broadcasting.

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brownlie,

18/07/2008 10:08:13
90 Andra

Thank goodness for that - I always welcome petty pointless and vindictive posts from fellow unionists even if they play into the SNP's hands.

Being a unionist my posts have, by necessity, to be petty and pointless but, having carefully looked through my previous postings I can find nothing vindictive in them. Perhaps you could point to one.

However, calling half the population half-wits could be constued as being vindictive and should go down well with the population in Glasgow East.
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yolanda,

18/07/2008 10:12:09
100?? The taxi driver asked what they were going to do about the poor state of the roads. Nobody bothered to answer. These are the kinds of things that actually matter to people, but the politicians have their own agenda.
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Publius,

London 18/07/2008 10:20:20
#89 Alan B

I didn't see the Newsnight debate (can't get it in London). Will you or some other kind person put it on YouTube?
I'm sure that the BBC and Channel 4 are institutionally biased towards Labour in England. The BBC, Guardian, New Labour push out the same message - Tories bad, public expenditure good, state is morally good etc. On the rare occasions when the BBC steps out of line it is soon put in its place. Remember the Kelly affair - Kelly died but the chairman, the deputy chairman, the director general and the journalist concerned all lost their jobs because the jounralists suggested that the government spin machine had something to do with it.
With only getting to Scotland at weekends when the news programmes aren't on I don't have a feel for insitutional bias in my home country. But I imagine it's much the same as England
Final point. I have detected that some of the younger BBC journalists want to jump ship. They have careers to make and that's no future in being bosom buddies with Labour. They might as well chain themselves to a corpse.
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Edward,

18/07/2008 10:20:52
I wonder why the BBC are not puting on last nights Newsnight Scotland on the iPlayer?
Perhaps something to do with how bias the program was
I would have liked to hear th questions again from the audience and what the answers were
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Edward,

18/07/2008 10:24:30
#101 sm753
An which Govenment would that be?
The Scottish Government which is NOT having a by election
or the UK Government whis IS having a by election?
I agree there should have been some tough questions for Margaret Curran, who wants to join the siutting UK Government. She also represents the party thats been in control in Scotland for the last 50 odd years
Yes SHE should have had some tough questions, but didnt, I wonder why!
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hertscot,

18/07/2008 10:25:11
#90

Your posts are petty and pointless because the union has become petty and pointless.
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hertscot,

18/07/2008 10:25:33
Sorry 99
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SEUMAS,

fearn 18/07/2008 10:26:09
I had a horrible nightmare last night---I dreamt I was married to a certain lady who appeared on Newsnight, no prizes for guessing which one.
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 10:28:03
102 Publius
103 Edward

The programme will be available on BBCi around mid-day - keep an eye on the volume control!
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Micropacer,

18/07/2008 10:32:46
Im not excatly a Nationalist but I did vote SNP last time as they are the best party currently.

I was pretty disgusted watching that show last night. It was so Pro-Curran I was sick watching it. Glen Campbell rolled over and let her tickle his belly.

So the real question is - what can we do about it?

The BBC is so Labour biased in Scotland I dont want my money going to it any more. I just want a decent independent station - as independent as it can be. At the moment its shockingly biased to corrupt propotions.
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 10:37:40
105/106 hertscot

Thank you for pettily and pointlessly pointing out what I had already admitted.
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Publius,

London 18/07/2008 10:38:31
# brownlie

Thanks brownlie. I'll have a wee look later on and let you know what I think.
Publius
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LEAL,

18/07/2008 10:50:56
The two Currans.One of them represents a very small minority party with little relevance in modern Scotland.The other represents a party which is losing relevance fast and heading to obscurity faster.Mrs Curran of the Labour Party stands proudly behind all that is wrong with the Labour Party.
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 10:55:21
112 sm

If there was no bias why was John Mason subjected to a question regard criticism made some time ago by a former politician with her own axe to grind.

The researcher who found this criticism could, without much research, find an equally critical point regarding Margaret Curran but John Mason, out of all the candidates, was the only one subjected to such criticism.
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Michael,

18/07/2008 10:56:43
Here's the guy Curran wheeled out as its celebrity endorsement. Very funny video if you support the SNP, that is).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7511847.stm
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Just_Me,

elgin ish 18/07/2008 11:07:43
Ouch

The headline might as well have read, "Labour voters could be too thick to vote for the right Curran".

Thats not very endearing PR Mr Brown!
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pints,

capital 18/07/2008 11:09:02
brownlie,18/07/2008 10:55:21
How much more bias from the BBC will we take before someone organises a boycott of the licence fee here in Scotland.
Throughout the troubles in Northern Ireland, a large proportion of the populous refused to pay their licence fee and the BBC, with silent support from the British Government, did nothing.
This boycott, arranged by the republican movement, went unreported in the British media.
The outcome was a more balanced reporting of news and current affairs programmes broadcast in Ulster.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 11:13:15
#29 aedis

I see that Wikipedia’s entry for Billy Bragg claims that he supports Scottish independence, citing the words of that 2002 song as evidence.

Perhaps back then he did; I don’t know. I do know from his Guardian pieces that he admires aspects of the SNP’s nationalist (but not “separatist”) agenda as they tally with his social agenda.

But even if his song can be read as supporting independence, it seems that, like John Michie, he has since changed his mind. For example, his May 2007 book, “The Progressive Patriot”, contains the following text:

“Establishing space rather than race as our foundation, we can imagine a Britishness which is the sum of every building, field, road, path; every food, custom, belief, culture; every person- in fact everything that is in Britain today, a Britishness that can only be truly appreciated by understanding how and why these things came to be here. The British identity is well placed to encompass such diversity.”

http://www.billybragg.co.uk/acatalog/Books.html
http://unionistlite.blogspot.com/2007/11/progressive-patriot-billy-bragg-black.html
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 11:16:34
#118 Michael

John Mitchie used to favour independence. There’s a superficial appeal to the argument he posits in that video. I can understand why people buy into it.

But in a statement issued yesterday, he said: “On whether we should break up Britain, I agree with Margaret Curran that independence isn’t the best way forward for Scotland.”

So he’s changed his mind. What is so strange about that? Why is the SNP making such a song and dance about it?

Some nationalist bloggers have even seen in it some kind of conspiracy. He’s being paid. His BBC work dried up after he declared support for independence. That kind of thing. It’s as if changing one’s mind is unthinkable to them! I really can’t get my head around that mindset.
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 11:21:27
122. AM2

"John Mitchie used to favour independence"

I wonder what has changed between April 2007 and now, given he said in 2007 "the Union is redundant" and the "independence would generate a new confidence in Scotland"

Are you basing your view that he no longer supports independence on a Labour party press release stating this? I ask because Mr Michie's own statement covered in some papers does not actually renounce his views on independence, but just emphasises his support for Labour, while stating he has other "strong views which might not coincide with Labour policy"....
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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 11:21:52
Clearly this actor has seen the light.

Fourteen and a half months of an SNP Executive tells him "enough is enough".

And that's I wan't too concerned when the SNp 'won' the election last May.

In opposition they promised the earth - in power they are exposed as opportunists worthy of only breaking manifesto promises.

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cataibh,

over the struie 18/07/2008 11:26:08
#33 Falkirk Council Labour Party 1 The people of Bo'ness 0
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 11:27:53
127. My my, that does differ somewhat from the usual over-spun propagandist interpretation AM2 tried to put on Mr Bragg's views.

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Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 18/07/2008 11:29:53
The SNP candidate reminds me of "Chalky", the cartoon school teacher candidate created by Giles for the Daily Mail or was it the Daily Express?

Anyway not impressive I am afraid. I think Margaret Curran will probably win as her loquacity on Newsnight and in campaigning will have more impact with Glasgow East voters who will go for style not content. The latter is well above their pay grade !
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 11:30:36
#AM2

What surprised me about Mitchie change of position is the fact he so publicly favoured independence only last year.

I watched the Andrew Neil show and he was vermently anti union and supporting the snp at the time of the election last year.

While i understand people change views over a period of time it is abit strange for someone to so publicly slag of something last year and then do such an about turn this one.

It was also very weird how the whole thing came about. The scotsman for instance had not mention of the fact he was so supportive of the snp last yr despite him being so public and doing it on the ex scotman editors show. The BBC on whose programme he was so critical of the union seemed equally ignorant.

I posted a remark asking the scotsman why there was no explanation of his volte face.

I personally can see someone altering position gradually over a period of time as preconceptions are challenged. As life experience changes your perspectives. But i do think there is something fishy about someone willing to go so public about breaking the union then chooses this by election to canvas with labour without any public explanation of his change of position at his first public outing with curran.

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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 11:31:01
129. There we have the unionist position - "content is well above the pay grade of voters in Glasgow East"
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 11:31:18
121 Am2

Billy Bragg is a humanist and a socialist as his songs clearly show - what possible merit could he see in the unionist parties.

John Michie is an actor who speaks words written by others.
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Richard,

west lothian 18/07/2008 11:36:40
Scottish 'N British,

"In opposition they promised the earth - in power they are exposed as opportunists worthy of only breaking manifesto promises".

So will the Labour party at Holyrood support the S.N.P. on it's policies, no it won't , yet you blame the S.N.P.??

UNIONIST NUMPTIES SUCH AS YOURSELF MOAN BUT UNFORTUNATELY AT THE WRONG PARTY! IT'S A MINORITY GOVERNMENT YOU MORON!
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 11:37:05
One other point about Mitchie interview with Andrew Neil last year. He was humilated by Andrew Neil who ridiculed his support for independence on the show as he was clueless regarding the economy.

Neil ran rings round him by using economic figures used by labour that ignored oil but not telling him that. Both the labour and ex tory mps sat back allowing neil to basically lie to him about the financial figures.

It was interesting that the figures used by Neil where the same ones the newsnight uk reporter sent up from london used against salmond. Salmond took her to the cleaners publicly so much so by the end of the newsnight article she (p**** of with lied to and set up by the political figures who set her up with duff into) that she was proclaiming the scotland had less of a deficit that the uk as a whole and was in a better financial state than the uk as a whole.





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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 11:41:42
For those not old enough, Blly Bragg talked extreme left-wing nonsense when that numptie Foot was in No.10, and today he talks - well he talks the same nonsense.

Only today he does it from a massive drawing room in his mansion.
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 11:47:41
139 Scottish

Billy Bragg does not appear to have a monopoly on nonsense.

What a shame that one person who has entertained people for years should enjoy the fruits of his success in comparison with, for instance, some MPs who unwittingly entertain people but make no contribution to society.
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 11:48:17
139. As opposed to Margaret Curran, who talks right wing nonsense like supporting below inflation pay rises for public sector workers, from the study of her £500,000 home in Newlands, I suppose?
117

Alan B,

18/07/2008 11:48:51
Of the 4 candidates Curran seems the worst. Labour really have to improve the quality of their candidates.
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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 11:49:10
137

C'mon now, let's be fair.

He's not exactly alone in not having a scoobie about the economy, is he. Look at Swinney's so-called LIT. In the shower this morning I heard criticism from financial experts continues to grow. Oh, dear.

BTW, Who else is looking forward to the TV debate Curran and Mason?

Hopefully it's a lively as the US Presidential debates.

Bring It On.
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 11:49:47
139. Or as opposed to the former Labour MP for Glasgow East, who used his home as his office to support right wing policies like abolishing 10p tax and payed £75,000 a year to one member of staff also a family member and claimed £90,000 in incidental costs for his "home office"?
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 11:51:01
143. If only they had the financial acumen of Gordon Brown who sold all the gold reserves at a historic low price, bought a failing bank at £100 billion, and is presiding over an inflation hike and slump in housing markets in part of the UK?
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aedis,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 11:52:03
#121 AM2,
That would have been a very good point...

Except

That one of the criticisms most flung at The Progressive Patriot is that Billy Bragg frequently uses the word British when meaning English.

Understandable, yes.

I think he would be the first to admit that its just a bad habit he has, and means no offence to Scots or Welsh.
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pints,

capital 18/07/2008 11:54:02
Scottish 'N British,18/07/2008 11:49:10
lets hope the debate is not riged and as bia as the BBC newsnight special last night
Scottish 'N British,
How many just and true would be needed to stand forward and follow through with a BBC licence fee boycott?
10, 100, 200, or even 1000.
If the greater proportion of the populous receives their news from the TV then I postulate the same number of boycotters as the 1000 SNP activists working in Glasgow East this weekend would advance a fairer un-bias broadcasting corporation. A greater understanding amongst the electorate of not just Glasgow East but the whole of Scotland nay the British Isles may result.
Note, failure to pay is a criminal offence, facing prosecution and a fine up to £1,000. Even if someone never watches BBC channels, the fee is still payable. A price worth paying?
There is no charge to listen to BBC radio channels or visit one of the BBC’s websites
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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:00:32
141

If it's OK for Separatists to quote an "entertainer" (Billy Bragg) who lives in a mansion

then,

they should have no problems with Margaret Curran's situation.


Thanks for making that comparison.











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pints,

capital 18/07/2008 12:01:07
Brandain,18/07/2008 11:54:17
Let us stop moaning about the bias of the BBC. The Northern Irish found a way to get a fairer press. They simply stopped paying the BBC licence fee. The British government did nothing and the BBC didn’t report that for decades a large proportion of Ulster were refusing to pay. The result - more reasonable reporting of the troubles by the British Broadcasting Corporation.
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 12:02:19
143 Scottish

You will be aware, of course, that all financial experts, and the population of Scotland, have nothing but praise for the council tax.

As a matter of fact, the council tax is so popular that the population of Scotland would have gladly paid the vast increases that would have occurred if Lab/Lib were still in power.
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Carmichael, A.,

Scotland 18/07/2008 12:03:15
I don't really want to dredge up the nearly forgotten figure of Wendy Alexander, but darn it, I will, because her resignation tells us something significant about Labour's ideas of Scotland in the light of their upset at Mr. Michie's beliefs. With Wendy, I believe that when she waved that whimpering goodbye we also saw with her go the particular brand of aggressive unionism to which she wholeheartedly subscribed, at least for Labour in Holyrood. I think Wendy could have stayed but she decided to go because, frankly, her ideas were old. People in Scotland had called time on the unreasoning, unthinking mode of authoritative unionism. I think Labour will try to go more gently with Scotland and Scottish ideas of politics within a wider context than merely demanding their narrow-minded commitment to Westminster.

Yet, where now do Labour stand on Scotland's consitution now that the old aggressive unreasoning and unreasonable unionism is finished. It had worked very well for Labour. I now think they're not too sure what it is about the union they seek to convince people in Scotland of simply because they can't rely on the tactics of scare-mongering that had served them so well. They can't rely on the unthinking proclamations of 'Westminster knows best' simply because people in Scotland have found a new belief in the Scottish political institutions. Labour don't know how to handle this new Scotland and while this reveals a lot about the hollowness of their previous arguments it also reveals their feeling of delicacy and fragility over this issue. It is this feeling of fragility of ideas that played itself when it became clear Mr. Michie backs, or at least has backed, independence in Europe.

Labour could merely have indicated their pleasure that Mr. Michie backs their candidate and that various ideas exist for the future of Scotland and should be welcomed as part of a constitutional debate. But, instead we got a strange press-release. In other words, Labour
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 12:03:31
150. I don't believe I did quote Billy Bragg, and indeed I think he was brought into our discussion by a Unionist above......

However, it was you who seemed to dissapprove of his situation, re speaking from a large mansion.

I just wondered if you minded Margaret Curran supporting raising tax on the lowest paid, and supporting below inflation pay rises (real term cuts) for the public sector from her mansion in Newlands?

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Carmichael, A.,

Scotland 18/07/2008 12:03:49
~153 cont.
In other words, Labour can't really indicate a willingness to welcome debate because their paucity of ideas, their old unthinking demands being put on hold, for now, placing unionism in an ideological black-hole (thanks again Wendy!). Labour cannot come back when confronted with the position that independence could ensure proper, modern relations with all our neighbours and ensure influence within the European Union, and allow people in Scotland the chance to work toward a social democratic multi-party democracy. Labour have no reply, Labour don't want the debate, and Labour certainly don't want to entertain the idea that someone who campaigns for their candidate believes, or believed, in independence - their current brand of unionism is far too fragile and delicate for such a situation.

Anyway, never mind, eh!, Labour can be satisfied with support from the writer Ian Rankin while those who believe in independence can be happy with the literary genius of Alasdair Gray. Equally, now, for Labour they can be satisfied with the Taggart actor Michie while supporters of independece can be happy with the world superstar Sean Connery. It would seem the value and worth of the respective positions are playing themselves out suitably in the world of celebrity, what larks, ;-)
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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:04:21
146

Agreed. This sort of thing continues to be a great source of irration to us Scots.

I therefore wonder why some Separatists think it natural to quote his views on the SNP.

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brownlie,

18/07/2008 12:06:05
150 Scottish

Even after a long session, up until now Billy Braggs has never been so confused that he does not know where he lives.

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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 12:06:33
156. I suppose for a similar reasons that Labour find it appropriate to use an actor in Glasgow east who made a lengthy video exposition on his support for independence?
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 12:07:05
157. I thought he had lived and worked in the east end of Glasgow all his life?
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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:08:53
147

Like yourself I hope for a healthy debate.

I would like to think your 'concerns' aren't due to the limitations of the SNP candidate.

IMHO, Margaret Curran will be a big problem for Mason. Robertson is the one that is set to show him up BIG time.

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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:11:26
152

No, your making the mistake of using my contempt for Swinney's CentrallyAdministeredLIT as some sort of support for the status quo.

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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:14:17
157

After a long session, I should hope he'd have the good sense to call on his man to drive him home.

From there, no doubt he'd either continue his session, lapse into a long sleep or, perhaps pen yet another anti-capitalist rant

from the recording studio in his capitalist pile.



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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:15:48
165

I agree.

Let's move on.


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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 12:17:30
#146 aedis

That might be a fair point if it weren’t for corroborating evidence. See below.

#128 Pink Sombrero

You’re amusingly quick to accuse others of “spin”. But my post #121 made no secret of the fact that Bragg admires aspects of the SNP’s “civic” style of nationalism. Methalions’ quotes were known to me. I was alluding to the Guardian one directly.

In this 2007 interview that Billy Bragg gave to Scottish music website Heaven or Las Vegas (a Cocteau Twins reference, incidentally) he was given an opportunity to reply to a direct question about his attitude towards independence. His reply was relaxed, but in no way supportive of the idea.

HOLV: How does the possibility of breaking a 300 year old bond make you feel?

BB: Because I had a British education, I know quite a few Scots and Welsh songs and stories and I cherish that part of my identity. However, I also know quite a few Irish songs and stories too so I guess that even if the Union is dissolved, our proximity, and the familiarity that flows from it, is something that cannot be undone.

http://heavenorlasvegas.co.uk/B_Bragg.htm
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 12:19:52
#161 Hawkeye

Being British involves recognising that Scotland, England, Wales and N.Ireland are both distinct countries and constituent parts of the same country, a subtlety which many nationalists refute. Such recognition would mean, for example, that you wouldn’t consider English people to be “foreigners” but part of your own nation: the United Kingdom.
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Scottish 'N British,

18/07/2008 12:25:51
168

Hopefully Curran will be kept in check. If When she goes off in a rant her argument suffers. Sort this and she'll be more effective and reach out to more of those watching.

If Mason he needs to learn how at this last stage then it's going to be a rather uncomfortable experience for him.

170

No, thank you.
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 12:26:36
169. AM2

well, well - Scotland's proximity to England and Ireland cannot be undone. Who would have thunk it. And here was me thinking, based on Unionist posts, that the SNP planned some grand physical relocation of Scotland.
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jacquesmac,

18/07/2008 12:29:33
87 Sally Longlegs,edinburgh 18/07/2008 09:41:41
I agree with #84.
Just look at the last elections and the people who cant follow instructions correctly.
There should be some form of IQ test to prove you have the intelligence to understand the problems before you can vote!

I don't understand what you are saying.
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brownlie,

18/07/2008 12:31:29
164 Scottish

You must be aware, as most of the Scottish population are, that if the Lab/Lib pact was still the Scottish governmentthat the status quo regarding the council tax would have been maintained.

On top of that, inevitably, there would be a re-valuation of bands which would have had a further detrimental effect on top of the other stealth tax.

That would be the inevitable outcome for Scotland and the Britain whose name you wear with pride.
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Publius,

London 18/07/2008 12:47:01
#108 brownlie

Now looked at the Newsnight debate on one coomputer while working on another so my comments are a bit ragged. But here they are:
(1) The candidates and Glen Campbell were all much better dressed than the audience - and healthier looking too. Margaret Curran's get up must have cost a bomb. She must spend more a hairdo than the weekly income of anyone in the audience. And her clothes, make up and jewllery would cost most of them at least a month's wages.
(2) I detected only one question that had been fed to the audience from a party - a woman asked about alchohol from a script clearly prepared by the SNP.
(3) Campbell did show some biases. On fuel tax he was biased towards the chancellor. The Grace Elder question was biased against Mason. Every party has an equivalent of Grace Elder - an ex-member with a grudge - so why bring her up?
(4) The audience was much more concerned with law, order, alcholism etc than with constitutional questions or taxation (except the fuel tax). To my mind this suggests a Labour win next week - but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
(5)Question from woman about joined-up public transport was a very good one. [Joined up public transport is very important in areas with low car ownership.] Campbell was wrong to dismiss it out of hand without allowing candidates to discuss it.
(6) The stuff about John Michie was not handled well. It was fair to ask why he has switched party, but neither of the two main parties was asked to consider whether the use of celebrities is a responsible way to approach politics.

Conclusion: Campbell probably inclined to Labour. My guess is that he reckons that independence isn't round the corner and BBC Scotland is full of Labour groupies, so his career is best served by sticking with Labour in Scotland.

Anyway thanks Brownlie.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 12:50:32
#178 Hawkeye

I see nothing oxymoronic here. Yes, Britain is a union of four nations (or two nations, a principality and a province, depending on your perspective). But let's deconstruct that.

A fair definition of “nation” (as opposed to “nation state”) would be a group of people who share some combination of common customs, origins, history, aspirations etc to the extent that it is sufficiently conscious of its own essential unity to consider itself a nation.

So Scotland is a nation – by virtue of its history, the shared sense of Scottish identity of the vast majority of the people living here, distinctive elements of its culture, and so on.

And (like it or not) the United Kingdom is also a nation – by virtue of its shared history, achievements and culture, its parliament and laws, the fact that the vast majority (85%+) of its inhabitants regard themselves as having a British national identity, and so on.

Scotland is therefore a nation within a nation. There’s no paradox.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 12:51:47
Incidentally, here's another great quote from Billy Bragg’s book:

“Far from being the antithesis of multiculturalism, Britishness has that very concept at its heart, the Union Jack a visual representation of the coming together of people of different nationalities, ethnicities and faiths to form a modern state.”
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yolanda,

18/07/2008 12:52:31


Far from Labour to avoid the electorate of Glasgow east becoming confused about who they are voting for, I would have thought that a confused electorate is exactly what they should be hoping for.

If voters aren't confused, they might actually make a conscious, informed decision that voting for Margaret Curran, who can't even remember where she has lived for the last 20 years, is a mistake. The more confused the better, I would have thought.
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Jimmy the Pie,

18/07/2008 13:01:17
#191 AM2

Well then I'm sure Alex Salmond, all MSP's, MP's and MEP's, party workers and party members will immediately disband the party seeing as Billy Bragg and the half witted Taggart actor like the Union.

I just wished I'd read Billy's works and not wasted time backing the SNP. How could I have been so foolish!
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European Scot,

18/07/2008 13:12:04
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" Being British involves recognising that Scotland, England, Wales and N.Ireland are both distinct countries and constituent parts of the same country, a subtlety which many nationalists refute."

There's no subtlety about it, you cannot have countries within countries, it simply doesn't exist.
You can have States, or Regions within countries, but not countries.
If you were to dig up the Unionists favourite little trick of citing States like Bavaria, or Regions with 'Nationality', with a degree of Autonomy, like Catalunya, then in their current guise they can exist within a country.
If in the future, however, they were to become fully Independent countries, then they would no longer be within that original country, but would become a neighbouring country.
So to repeat, you cannot have a country within a country, that is quite impossible.
The UK is not a country, it is a Union of countries, and that's just a temporary arrangement of course !

Interesting, you change your terminology to Nation in your later post, let's stick with countries for the moment.
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Micropacer,

18/07/2008 13:26:15
Hawkeye the Noo you appear obsessed with Red Lines on a map.

What makes Britain any more of less of a Country than Scotland?

Scotland is also only red lines on a map - people from the Western Isles do not share the same culture and traditions as people from Edinburgh and such like.

Im a Highlander and frankley we havent much in common with Lowlanders althought we have more now than we used to.

Both Unionists and Nationlists appear obessed with pigeon holing people into Countries and Nations.

Who cares?

Hawkeye the Noo you and your arguments are as absurd as any mad cap Unionist.
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The Master,

18/07/2008 13:30:45
#202 Hawkeye: but the you gov poll last week was based on that carefully worded question which the Nats insist on using (for legal reasons, of course!) which the public at large just don’t understand.

I remember a Modern Studies exam paper at school which produced a quote from Tam Dalyell that Britain was remarkably homogeneous and asked what factors made for homogeneity in Britain. I’m sure even you Nats out there could have a good stab at answering this question without much thought! Your problem is that you can’t see past your blind faith in the virtues of separatism. It’s like trying to convince fundamentalist Christains that there are other ways of looking at the world and life in general.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 13:53:59
4. Labour has never been a party fighting for the poor recently - it is a party that appeals to the poor so that party members can get into power and make themselves rich by robbing the taxpayer to award contracts to their buddies and family.

Anyway there is no such thing as a poor person in Britain who doesn't want to be that way. The benefits system still pays better than some jobs and so breeds layabouts who don't want to work. In addition there are soooo many saftey nets - even if you are the biggest laziest don't want to work slob (Much like an MSP!) you can still get a roof over your head and and an income from the state.

Folk can ALWAYS make money if they have some modicum of work ethic and a good attitude ... and these two things cost nothing so everyone can have it !

As for the two Currans - I am glad the Labour are getting their butt kicked for years of squandering and mismanagement - they don't deserve just being voted out half of them need jail for criminal neglect of their duty to the public.

I openly pity Labour supporters; they have to be the dumbest most easily lead folk that have ever walked the planet. Every vote this corrupt, stupid and greedy party get is an advert that the brain dead are alive and well in Scotland !

PS well done everybody else who didn't vote for them (except if you voted Lib dem which is just as bad !)
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The Master,

18/07/2008 14:02:24
#222 Spook: but the so called “nutty british unionists” are expounding policy as supported by three mainstream parties in Scotland which represent large proportions of the electorate at all levels of politics.

I quite agree with you about “Modern Studies”: it seemed a ridiculous title for the study of modern British politics when I was at George Watson’s in the 80s. Trouble was I, there was no internet in those days and I just could not stir up a wider audience outside my immediate acquaintances…come to think of it, someone like you would have been lost in the ‘80s as well!
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18/07/2008 14:02:45
#The Master

"Your problem is that you can’t see past your blind faith in the virtues of separatism"

That is a funny statement given that you have previously posted that you would rather be part of the union even if it was not in scotland national interest eg even if we were to be a richer country independent.

You support a britain at any price.
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The Master,

18/07/2008 14:03:06
#227: actually, I use the Hampton Hotel (that wee bit more classy!)
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 14:10:15
227. I'll see you there. I will be on the hat stand or hanging on one of them wee hook under the bar.
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Pink Sombrero,

18/07/2008 14:10:53
232. Strange, had you down as more a user of certain massage parlours.
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Geoff,

sa 18/07/2008 14:12:08
227 Spook in Leith-Howsit Spook-enjoy your pint-im off for one(or two) myself! Good comment re the Union Jack. What few people realise is that the original Union Jack pre-dates the Union of Parliaments by a hundred years. It is in fact a Royal Flag that came into being with the Union of the Crowns. If Scotland were to become independent and remain a Monarchy then there is no reason why it should not continue in use. In Canada it remains in use as the Royal Union Flag.
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Geoff,

sa 18/07/2008 14:14:14
Shud be "what few people DONT realise..."
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Geoff,

sa 18/07/2008 14:15:45
Or was I right first time? Im confused-need a cold pint!
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The Master,

18/07/2008 14:16:21
#231 Alan B: I’d support the south east of England’s remaining part of the UK at any price as well (even although the region is far richer on any basis than the rest of the country and it would be logical for it to keep its resources to itself on your logic). So what?

#236 Spook: don't use that establishment next to the Spar: no class! I saw a doddering old man come out of there recently and just looked on in amazement, along with some lads standing outside the Murrayfield! Like I said, you need a bit of class in life: same goes for Scotland being part of the UK...think about it, lad!
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sa 18/07/2008 14:19:12
186 Brandain-re being British-"To be born British is to win first prize in the lottery of Life! It follows from this that the more of the world we rule, the better it is for the human race!!!"
Cecil John Rhodes.

:)
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Geoff,

sa 18/07/2008 14:26:30
Now now Spook-keep it clean!
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 14:36:11
#The Master

The point is you accuse nats of blind faith in separatism while your own view is not what is the best interests of scotland.

There the argument for the union or independence depending what you believe is best for your country. Abit like when considering membership of the eu.

You join the eu becuase you think it would be beneficial to your countries interests. You do not join a union like the eu if you think it is detrimental to your country.

You want a union no matter whether it is good for scotland or not. That shows some hypocracy accusing nats of blind faith in independence. When you are really not interested whether it is better for scotland or not.

You comment about an english region tells us more. You problem view britain as your country and not scotland. As such u do not want to break up what you consider your country. While for the majority of people the argument is about what is best for scotland and scotland interests and whether than lies inside or outside the union.

It also follows you other post about leaving scotland if we were to be independent to live in england. And shows your ties are more to england than scotland.
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18/07/2008 14:38:54
A reminder of Mr Brown's last 'triumph', an indication that getting one over on the tories - I don't have a problem with that - is more important than protecting the interests of the poorer paid in our society. Note the joyous backing group as he smugly 'trounces the tories'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB4rv1OuqSA
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jacquesmac,

18/07/2008 14:46:41
When I was a wee laddie growing up in to Glasgow my father told me about the (in)famour Glasgow Emoire Theatre which was renowned south of Berwick as the English comediand graveyard.

He told that one evening Mike and Bernie Winters were on and the audience were in need of red meat.

Bernie was on first trying to tell jokes to a very silent audience. The bears were getting ajitated and then out of the wings came the voice of someone "singing".

Brother Mike obviously thought the the other was having a hard time and so he advanced his entry to come to his aid.

The singing had stopped themurmuring from the audience, but only for a few seconds.

As Bro 2 came onstage someone from the cheap seats shouted

"Oh my God, there's two of them!"
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buccleuch,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 14:47:20
Well if people are going to be THAT thick, then its just as well their vote could be invalid. most likely to be Labour supporters , obviously, so maybe not such a bad thing.
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The Master,

18/07/2008 14:54:09
#246: I would agree with the last two paragraphs of your post, except that I completely refute the argument that support for a unified UK means that my ties are more to England than Scotland: it comes to one and the same thing, so that dichotomy simply does not arise.

#250: interesting lateral thinking!
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 18/07/2008 15:13:07
The people who accuse the SNP of being seperatists need to define what they mean.If they mean seperate pöerliaments,then we already have that.The only problem is that the limited powers of a regional parliament cannot deliver what an independent parliament can deliver,since it does not control how all of the countries money is spent.If they mean sepoeration from England,then they need to explain how the SNP policy of retaining the union of the crowns (the UK) and a desire to retain the social relatrionship means seperation.

The reality is that the SNP seek to achieve a partnership of equal parliaments within the UK and to achieve equal staus with all of the other independant parliaments within Europe.This is more about joining and being international than saeperation.It is outward looking and seeks to embrace the trends occuring in the modern world,that is very different from 1707.The only thing certain is that change will happen.Many of us travel and have international families.In my case my family includes 7 nationalities.We are very international but value independance.The unioniists should be challenged to define their rhetoric and all of the logical flaws in that rhetoric should be exposed.The reality is,that the union,in its current form,sepperates Scotlanbd from the ability to determine how to use much of its wealth,and sepperates it from joining the rest of Eorope in mutually collaborative relationships.It could be argued on that basis,that the unionist parties in the UK,are the real seperatists.

The SNP candidate in Glasgow East learned to value independance folowing his experience of living abroad.He is also a valued councillor in the constituency.I don't know what the result oif the Glasgow East by election will be,but I suspect that the SNP must be close in a "Safe" Labour seat.I have noticed that there is a correlation between SNP momentum and the amount of times that crude slogans,such as seperatism is used.
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looking to the future. 18/07/2008 15:37:52
~40~ I agree for once with Willie Macleod from Wick. Show some respect and listen to the arguments being discussed. When Scotland is free from domination by London then we will require level headed folk from both sides of the border to negotiate treaties and make agreements for the advantage of both countries. For example we can have 2 votes in the EU instead of just the London one. This can best be achieved by friendly intentions or even friendly rivalry towards each other and not nasty agressive bad tempered spite by either party. To achieve better living conditions for all, we must back the politicians who demonstrate that they are grown up and ditch the ones who hate us.
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Mr. Henry Brown Esquire.,

Invercockaleekie 18/07/2008 15:39:37
#249. Natural selection.
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Invercockaleekie 18/07/2008 15:43:13
#241. Cameron is perturbed about the "stain," on the Union Jack. Presumably he has his eye on you.
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kt mcallan,

scotland 18/07/2008 15:47:17
when i just glanced at this headline i saw the words "jeopardy" and "two Currans" and i thought it must finally be a piece about the two faced lies of Margaret the millionaire Curran.
Silly me, i forgot this is a pro union rag.
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zigzag,

Canada 18/07/2008 15:50:45
Solution

Count BOTH Currans for the Labour column...isn't this the way to do it?
After all it also meets with Brown style of doing things.

Yes count both Currans for Broon.
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Mr. Henry Brown Esquire.,

Invercockaleekie 18/07/2008 15:51:35
Good God! I have just caught sight of the photograph at the top of the page.

Can you imagine the poor sods at the back catching sight of that bending down in front of your face. Enough to test the strongest heart.

She was probably showing them her buttock clenching moves, which she will need on Thursday.
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anglicus,

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This is where billy bragg lives, some socialist;
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2008/04/billy-bragg-and-bnp.html
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 18/07/2008 16:33:32
No one will get confused by these two similar names, voters will avoid both in order to vote SNP and if not SNP then probably tory or lib dem but not Labour. No not a chance...
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john z,

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Surely Labour don't need to worry about such a thing, two Currans? I mean this is one of their safest seats in Scotland, isn't it?????

I watched Margaret Curran on Newsnight, and I have to say, she wouldn't know the truth if it jumped out of her porridge and slapped her about the face with a damp kipper.
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JohnBowes,

Glesga 18/07/2008 17:43:41
By drawing attention to Frances Curran they have given good publicity to Frances. Are these people thick? Well, yes, they really are.

I find these people cringe inducing followed by vomit inducing. They want to love the voters during the election and then run down to John Lewis for the booty after they get elected. And the electorate don't see them again until the next election.

She said she has lived in the east end all her life and then says, "well, all of my life, except for the last twenty years". Eh?

She brings a nationalist to support her unionist party campaign. Eh?

WHO right in the bonce would vote for that? Has she played the Catholic card yet? Or is that simply implicit?
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pints,

capital 18/07/2008 17:58:28
Looked up oor Mags and, my has she a few skeletons in the cupboard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Curran_ (politician)
appears she had to resign in 1980 as the secretary of the Scottish organisation of labour students following allegations of involvement in an attempt to rig the conference of the National Organisation of Labour Students.
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pints,

capital 18/07/2008 18:08:43
Would be hard to place a bet against this woman as she appears to have a track record for getting the votes to go her way.
1997 she was Mohammad Sarwar's election agent for the UK general election. Next thing we hear Mohammed is pleading innocent to fixing the voting for his selection as candidate for Govan
Further down the line
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/27/gerardseenan
Mohammed Sarwar, Britain's first Muslim MP, yesterday stood before the High Court in Edinburgh and pleaded not guilty to the most serious criminal charges that any MP has faced for more than two decades. faces four criminal charges including fraud, knowingly making a false declaration over electoral expenses, and conspiracy to ****** the course of justice by offering a rival candidate £5,000 to lie on oath.
Was later found not guilt.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 19:02:10
When is the Beeb airing the next episode of the Margaret Curran Show?
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 18/07/2008 19:04:56
Ah, love the Hootsmon! :-)

By the way, I see MoD has lost - or had stolen - confidential & sensitive data going back to 2003/4.

STILL trust Liebore???
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Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 19:09:12
The next episode of the Margaret Curran Show will probably be advertised in the Scottish press tomorrow and repeated until polling has closed.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 19:47:18
66 - GUS: Like you I don't ask for pro-SNP reporting, just proper, professional and unbiased reporting. But it won't happen. There is hardly a day goes by but what I am writing, e-mailing or telephoning about media misrepresentation of the facts or misleading headlines.
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Edinburgh 18/07/2008 19:54:07
83 - JOHN BC: Re the contents of the long-forgotten letter (except by the Labour Broadcasting Corporation), by all accounts Dorothy Grace Elder was a thorn in the flesh to more than John Mason.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 20:02:10
101 - SM: This is a Westminster election, therefore the Labour Party are the party in power. But no hard time for them, certainly not from the BBC.
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121 AM2: I don't really think anyone gives tuppence whether Billy Bragg admires aspects of the SNP's agenda. He's a crashing bore whose in love with the sound of his own voice, as far as I'm concerned.
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Edinburgh 18/07/2008 20:23:03
131 ALAN B: Perhaps if, as AM2 says, his BBC work dried up, he was just trying to get his face on TV and in the papers.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:30:09
#286 Florence

Er, that was just an example of one of the inane conspiracy theories I've heard. I wasn't agreeing with it!
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:32:03
#265 David Banks

That's a new harassment technique. Say something outrageous using one username, switch to a different name, report your first post and then post to attribute it to me. Very imaginative. Well done!
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:33:31
#201 European Scot

“The United Kingdom is a country composed of the constituent countries of England, Scotland and Wales on the island of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland on the island of Ireland.”
http://www.vcarious.com/Travel-Guide/UnitedKingdom.html

“Countries within a country: The United Kingdom is made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Its full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page823.asp

“Britain: Officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ... Parliament governs the country.”
“Scotland: One of the four countries that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”
http://www.bartleby.com/59/15/britain.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/15/scotland.html
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:35:01
#200 Spook

That article was written in 2002. Am I expected to think anything of it?
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Earman,

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It's probably just me, but does the content of this "report" sound to anyone else like the age-old tactic of "getting your excuses in first"? I speak with the authority of a long-time QoS supporter, and the pre-match banter usually includes the voicing of something similar....you know, "...we'll probably not win this one because - (enter any excuse from inclement weather to astrological/divine intervention). Are the Labour Party really readying their troops for defeat! Mmmmmm.....
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:42:25
#291 Welhelm

Have you been refreshing the page all evening waiting to pounce?
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Florence,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 20:42:53
137 ALAN B: I'd like to have seen that. No chance of me finding it anywhere, is there?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:43:56
#293 Brandain

Evidently not. He did the same on another thread. Goes with the territory.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 20:45:35
#297 Alberto

Oh, thanks for reminding me. Catch you later!
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morris,

edinburgh 18/07/2008 20:56:54
There have been claims on the Herald from Labour supporters that the SNP bandwagon has "failed" and they are trailing Labour by 3,500 votes.
They claim these are SNP canvas returns but one has to ask WHERE would Labour get such information?
Its probably nonsense of course and they think this is good tactics .

The election is next week you numpties!Anything could happen before then and watching Curran so far I'll be very surprised if Labour don't throw another completely fraudulent claim in with no time to respond to it. I hope Glasgow East decide enough is enough. Its time to rid Scotland of this bunch of lying self serving quislings permanently .

Ive got news for Labour.
If the SNP are within 3,500 votes now, they could WIN the seat on Thursday!Even if they fail the swing

of around 20% would wipe Labour off the map in Scotland as it probably stands NOW!
ITS ALREADY A MORAL VICTORY for the SNP.
What these total morons are celebrating GOD ONLY KNOWS because they are getting humped royally at a General Election and face almost total WIPE OUT .That gap is widening in England!

You don't have to attack Labour anymore.The stupid cretins have destroyed their own credibility.

As for Curran what an embarrassment!
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AM2,

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#299 Alberto

And risk you spiking it with Rohypnol and sucking my brains out with a straw? ;-)

It's a kind offer, but unfortunately I have a previous engagement.
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Eve,

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"This has caused concerns in the Labour camp that confusion between their candidate Margaret Curran and Scottish Socialist Party candidate Frances Curran could prove crucial." OMG it's officeal the Labour party think voters in the East End of Glasgow ar thick or somthin.

Frances and Margaret only share the same letter "A" "R" "E" BUT given that they ar two very diffrent names I doght many will be confused.

I diffently think it would be funny if the people of the East of Glasgow went out to vote for France over Margret, to get revenge on Labour for treating them like fools. It would be a funny leason for them loesing to the SSP.
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izzie,

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six hundred snp activists due in Glasgow east tomorrow
new labour be afraid be very afraid
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Observer. 1,

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Wilhelm - I haven't seen you here before. How are you ?
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Eve,

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#309 Brandain: What books that?

Is that really a good idea, I was told when I was wee that I shoudn't rip pages of of books or throw them at the wall, no matter who frustered I felt at the text.
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Richard Taylor,

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#314

She has sweaty armpits ;-)

Trying again, Hootsmon...far worse has been said about her...;-)
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morris,

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Labour are manufacturing excuses in advance. Nobody forced them to adopt Magarat as a candidate (or did they) and was Francis Curran not already named as the SSP choice? (I presume she was but Ive not checked)
In any case who can say how many voted for the wrong Curran when there are two to choose from
Maybe the SSP will have been cheated out of votes! They are certainly a more worthy party than the New LIEboratory Party. At least they genuinely believe what they are saying and most of their activists are the brighter socialist defections from Labour anyway who also went to the SNP in numbers or just disappeared completely from embarrassment.Who can blame them !

NEW LABOUR really are the pits.
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 21:56:34
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Are they going to wait until she is dead Kent?
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 22:00:38
312...I've got a sharpened stake...
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 22:01:44
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Great Minds solis...
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/07/2008 22:17:19
#313 Brandain. You are wrong about the bible.

I am an athiest
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 22:17:47
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The SE England vote Kent...

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Brandain, it still repeats a London media bias though.

And I hadn't come across the schemie's favourite author quote before.

Was it in the Big Issue?
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/07/2008 22:24:13
#30 Atheist
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 22:25:43
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Good Evening Willie.
Seen you telling off people for paraphrasing names;-)
Politeness costs nothing indeed.

But try telling that to Highland Mighty.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/07/2008 22:38:52
#333 Evening Conan Brandain seems to think I am a bible thumping killjoy. Far from it,

You can use wit and satire without all the personal nasty comments we see on here.
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 22:48:57
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Reasoned debate should be answered with reasoned debate, Willie.

Comments by certain posters should be met with satire and ridicule.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 22:49:17
There is a rose in Spanish Haarlem
Ared rose up in Spanish Haarlem.

Eat your heart out Glasgow east
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 22:50:59
Is that what you meant, Conan, 337?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 22:53:50
339, Brandain, wait until the dayshift AMtwa gets it hands on that and passes it on to the MacDonnells of the Scottish press.
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 22:56:40
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Jock?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 22:59:28
Ah. 342, Conan. Remember Spanish Haarlem?
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 23:02:42
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Ben E King.

Can't remember the lyrics.
Is that relevant, or am I missing the point?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 23:04:41
My recollection of the Spanish Haarlem song in parody would be,

There is a rose in Glasgow Eastern
A red rose up in Glasgow eastern
With lies as black as coal
That get inside your soul
You'll have to beg her pardon.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 23:06:15
Conan, the version I remember was a Tamla Motown group.
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Paula,

18/07/2008 23:08:05
Labour could staple their first born child to the dog and paint poo on their front doors, these clowns would still vote for them.

Because that is what they have always done and what their parents have always done.

And look how well that has turned out.
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/07/2008 23:08:58
Never heard the parody, Jock.

I'm from Edinburgh;-)
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Richardinho,

18/07/2008 23:18:02
re: pic.

Is that M Curran and her cohorts practicing their surrender routine?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 23:19:17
Conan, Found it. Yanks can't spell Haarlem

Make your own parody words up.

This is the Mamas and Papas version

http://tinyurl.com/6a4cg2

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 23:43:26
Here's one about the twa Currans

Make your own mind up.
http://tinyurl.com/350omg8

We'll see her again and again.

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Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 18/07/2008 23:46:35
350 postings so far, of which about 2% have any sense or relevence !! A very minor by -election which will I am afraid be won by Labour, (just !), because the Constituency are conditioned by years of habit to vote for even a monkey so long as it wears a Labour party label. This election has no relevance to GB Ltd, and I suggest we wait for the General Election which will determine the real future of the United Kingdom.

Glasgow East is irrelevant and probably on a par with Zimbabwe, a crime ridden obscenity of a place.Not an example of a good democratic tradition, or even worthy of comment.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 18/07/2008 23:51:22
Glasgow East poll by Progressive Scottish Opinion for the Daily Mail

Lab 52%
SNP 35%
CON 7%
LD 3%
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 23:55:01
Conan, you are correct, Ben E King.

Urethra Franklin also.

354, Stirling Sentinel. 0% of your post made sense to me. I understood 100% of it , though.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 23:58:45
Ah, it's the nightshift AMtwa with his statistics.

I know a good shuttering joiner and gardener that can repair your coffin and refresh the soil in the bottom of it.
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mac1888,

Bute 19/07/2008 00:04:27
A think they enjoy living in squalor and having a low life expectancy.So go on vote the corrupt unionist labour party back in to keep u looking rough like they did yer maw n da n gran n granpa.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/07/2008 00:20:47
Brandain, I would be nice to AMtwa but I'm never quite sure one we get.

Must be the shift system at the Scotsman.

Blasted other link didn't work. Check it out long hand. I saw her again last night. Referring to M Curran, of course.
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Conan the Librarian™,

19/07/2008 00:54:49
These threads are infested by trolls who wish a confrontational milieu.
It can be fun, but people who merely wish to post upon the subject can be put off.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 19/07/2008 01:43:22
Conan #333 #337 #364 Good posts and fair comments

Brandain #335 #360 It doesn't upset me I am not on a crusade, but as Conan says it spoils the thread for others.

 

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