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Labour MPs 'must stop sniping at Alexander'



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Published Date: 19 February 2008
THE rift between Labour politicians in London and Edinburgh deepened yesterday when Henry McLeish, a former first minister, said it was time his Westminster counterparts stopped "sniping" at Wendy Alexander, the Scottish Labour leader.
Mr McLeish was reacting to comments from David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, who last week dismissed Ms Alexander's drive for more powers for the Scottish Parliament as of interest only to the "McChattering classes".

Gordon Brown intervene
d in the debate over the weekend in an attempt to stop the bickering between Labour politicians on either side of the Border.

The Prime Minister gave Ms Alexander his full support and publicly backed the idea of a Scottish Constitutional Commission to examine more powers for the parliament.

Yesterday, Mr McLeish said the Prime Minister's intervention should act as a warning to Labour politicians in Westminster to back Ms Alexander and her plans for a review of the devolution settlement.

Mr McLeish said: "For some time there's been a problem at Westminster, because part of Wendy Alexander's difficulty is the fact there's a constant sniping from Westminster.

"Labour MPs at Westminster, ministers, don't accept the reality that the parliament is ten years old.

"The parliament has done a tremendous job for Scotland and the genie is out of the bottle and it won't go back.

"I think he (Mr Cairns] was maybe a victim of that kind of view at Westminster and I think the Prime Minister's intervention has said, 'This is the line to take, this is what we're doing'."

Mr McLeish added: "I think what should happen is that Wendy Alexander should be given the space and the time to actually add a distinctive Scottish brand to Labour which, unashamedly, is very Scottish, wants to be uncompromising in the defence of Scottish interests and she's got to be able to tell Westminster MPs and ministers that she's actually in charge of what's going on.

"I would like to think – maybe hope against hope – that we would now see Labour MSPs and Labour MPs working more closely together."

Pete Wishart, an SNP MP, said the sniping between the Labour Party north and south of the Border showed it was now time to axe the Scotland Office, which he described as "a waste of space and money".

PIA LANDS SPOKESMAN ROLE

A FORMER broadcaster and Scotsman journalist has been hired by the Labour Party to help revive Wendy Alexander's leadership.

Simon Pia, 52, who used to write The Scotsman Diary and was recently a broadcaster on Talk 107, is the new official spokesman for Ms Alexander, filling a role that has been vacant for three months since the abrupt and embarrassing departure of Matthew Marr.

Mr Marr quit in November after a series of drunken outbursts at an awards evening, the most abusive of which were directed at Alex Salmond, the First Minister. Another spin doctor, Brian Lironi, left last summer, apparently after difficulties with Ms Alexander's style of leadership.

Mr Pia, whose Edinburgh University tutor was Gordon Brown, said he was not worried by the departure of two previous spokesmen. He said he had taken the job because Ms Alexander had shown strength and character in coming through a testing time and would now be able to provide a stern challenge to Mr Salmond.





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  • Last Updated: 18 February 2008 9:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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TommyKaye,

UK 19/02/2008 00:19:57
Is this headline an order from the Scotsman or a comment?
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:25:27
for a start gordon brown did not back a commision gordon brown said he supported a review during which powers could be taken back by westminster.

err no they cannae gordon.

unless you want to breach article 40 on the international covenant on civil and political rights which westminster is fully signed up to. so there.

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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:26:31
and mcleish wendy isnae in charge or she widnae need ehr boss's backing so there to you too.
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TommyKaye,

UK 19/02/2008 00:27:47
New spin doctor to help Alexander’s fightback.

FORMER SCOTSMAN JOURNALIST SO THERE YOU HAVE IT THEY HEADHUNTED FROM THIS PAPER SO EXPECT A DELUGE OF PROLABOUR PRO WENDY STORIES

Mind you AM2 must be heartbroken he never got the job.

Labour leader Wendy Alexander's fightback continued yesterday with the appointment of her latest spin doctor and the support of former First Minister Henry McLeish.

But both developments were to a degree undermined by the new aide's lack of Holyrood or political experience, and Mr McLeish's frank views on Labour's recent difficulties.

Simon Pia is an experienced journalist on the Edinburgh scene, but his background is mainly in humorous writing and sport rather than in politics.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:29:11
Just you try it gordon and you will be in the european court for breaching human rights so fast your feet wont touch the ground.
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Jimmy the Pie,

19/02/2008 00:32:51
I'm surprised the Hootsmoan isn't trumpeting the news that Simon Pia has been appointed as Wendy's new spin doctor. Never mind it won't make any difference to the plummeting circulation figures or Wendy's plummeting political career. The article's in the Herald.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:46:18
9. No that rage is nothing to do with my name and everythign to do with a government who has lied to the scottish people who trusted them.
incidentally its isnae my name.


and yes i have to agree wendy couldnt even prop up a bar never mind a political prty and idealogy.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:47:29
13 thankyou for thinking me witty i prefer pretty.
and free.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:50:17
17 your do-----nuts.
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Senga Jean,

Scotland 19/02/2008 00:53:37
Humour is good. Girning is bad. Sound political comment would be wonderful. Alex Salmond needs an opposition which will give him a run for his money and like his deputy lose a few pounds. It is his one negative point. Alex get on the salads for the sake of Scotland.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:54:47
17 interesting psychosis have you always considered yourself a nutter who posts anonymously on to internet comment threads.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:55:58
20 no , they are made of dough. match his brain.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:56:39
22 and now waiting to die?
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Richardinho,

19/02/2008 00:58:00
how dare labour mps constantly snipe at Wendy Alexander;

shurely that's OUR job!
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 00:58:57
Pete Wishart, an SNP MP, said the sniping between the Labour Party north and south of the Border showed it was now time to axe the Scotland Office, which he described as "a waste of space and money".


never a truer thing said.
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Edward,

19/02/2008 01:15:44
Simon Pia is a former Scotsman’s diarist (more humourist than political)as well as former Radio Talk Jock on Talk Radio's drive time
So will lend a bit of humour to Wendy Alexander. Which should be interesting in the months ahead as the sniping continues between Labour MP's in Westminster and Labour in Holyrood
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Edward,

19/02/2008 01:18:15
Newsnight Scotland was interesting with Labour's Malcom Chisholm not clear as to what is going to happen with the Working Party/Review/Gordon Brown comittee tea room thing
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Edward,

19/02/2008 01:23:05
From the Herald (a quality and award winning paper)
'Mr McLeish's admission that the SNP had played a blinder since last May and that Labour MPs at Westminster had undermined Ms Alexander ..The former First Minister said: "The SNP have proved that they've been very popular in government, they've been very effective, they've been very Scottish."
But his criticisms moved on from where the SNP had got things right to where his former colleagues had got things very wrong, particularly in terms of MPs' attitudes.'
About says it all really!
I think Henry has just been removed from Wendy's Xmas card list

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karinxx,

19/02/2008 01:24:45
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7250916.stm


interesting link
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 01:25:30
36 duncan donuts your pure gonni get moded.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 01:25:47
im off before i get caught in your fallout.
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karinxx,

19/02/2008 01:26:30
duncan i told you before shhhhhhhh.
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I'mallymax,

Orwell's kitchen. 19/02/2008 01:36:53
'must stop sniping at wendy alexander'

It may the bullets the sudgies stole were for this lot?

Nah, seriously though; we cannae help it!

Wendy, please don't go; you are the funniest thing in politics. I would vote for you if Scotland was independent. However.

Vote SNP for a better, fairer independent Scotland.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 19/02/2008 02:31:50
Oh my Dog
I love this Scotsman form. And to see all u fanatical squawkers at bay.

Its priceless.

Don't U squawkers have a life...guess not.

Happy Haggis day

Be happy

GC
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 19/02/2008 02:43:02
Labour MPs 'must stop sniping at Alexander'
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I agree, providing Free speech is not stifled.

GC ..A fanatic for Freedom of speech.
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Dougie Douglas,

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GalacticCannibal,Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 19/02/2008 02:31:50
Oh my Dog
I love this Scotsman form. And to see all u fanatical squawkers at bay.

Its priceless.

Don't U squawkers have a life...guess not.

Happy Haggis day

Be happy

GC


Yes hush everyone, GC the Zenith of American Intellectualism has spoken.

He of course has a life 'following' politics in a country on teh other side of the world.

Galactic Cannibal - posting from Uranus as always.
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Dougie Douglas,

19/02/2008 03:26:07
This admission by Henry that those from his own party are slagging off Wendy takes the wind out of Foulkes of sails with his cries of media bias.

Simon Pia, having worked for the Scotsman, should certainly be 'on message' when it comes to spilling anti-SNP bile.

I give him 6 weeks.
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An Beal Bacht,

19/02/2008 04:27:17
52 - Dougie Douglas, 19/02/2008 03:26:07 writes:

"I give him 6 weeks."

A bit optimistic there Douglas. Not a day less than two months!
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TommyKaye,

UK 19/02/2008 05:34:50
Jacqui Smith buries a minority report

Whilst everyone is still talking about Northern Rock there was something else announced today it seems. The Home Secretary made some statements about crime. Specifically she said she wanted to reduce violent crime because it was quite bad.

You must of course ignore the fact that only a few weeks ago she was telling us how safe we all were so long as we didn't walk the streets after midnight. What struck me as one of those things that has been quite usefully buried by the Northern Rock disaster was this little announcement though.
[the Government will be] investing over £20 million over the next three years to support the rollout of multi-agency interventions and information sharing, involving local police, local councils, voluntary groups and health workers, across the country to manage and identify people at risk of committing serious violence as well as providing support for victims
Got that? £20 million to be spent on what is essentially a "pre-crime unit" (see this). Scary stuff really, they're going to start identifying and targeting people that they think 'might' commit a crime before the crime they might commit has happened yet.

How will they do this? Well, like it says, they're going to share data between all and sundry right down to volunteers at a local level. That's the plan of the Government that lost 25 million personal data records; hard drives and laptops.

That's the same Government led by a Prime Minister who is currently carrying out a "review" on data security, saying that its going to start sharing data with God knows who, in order to figure out if you 'might' commit a crime, and then go after them to stop them doing what they have not done yet but that their sociological algorithm predicts they will.

What a marvelous day to announce that you plan to target people who have not committed a crime but that you think might do on the basic assumption that you can share lots of personal data about
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James,

Dundee 19/02/2008 05:46:27
Well done Simon 'Edith' Pia.
Its a big leap from using crayons at the Scotsman.
Labour Party awaits, where your comrade is also your foe.
Six week probationer.

What with Baron George of the Baron Knights, and Jackie "I'll have had your tea" The Hut fighting along side you, watch out for the 'friendly fire'.
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donald,

glasgow 19/02/2008 07:17:10
From thee North Britishperson to the Labour Party. Pia's only difference is that the cheque will come directly from the Smither's Hoose.

How can he spin the Iraq invasion, Trident and how Labour won the War on Poverty - for themselves?
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donald,

glasgow 19/02/2008 07:32:37
Labour employs Hootsmon humourist to stop everyone laughing at Bendy and the giant caterpillar.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 07:32:47
Oh well, the geme’s a bogey noo!

Mr Pia will use his influence at the Scotsman to place pro-Labour stories in the paper and any hint of balance or objective reporting will be lost.

Will anyone be able to tell the difference?


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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 19/02/2008 07:43:43
#7 "Mind you AM2 must be heartbroken he never got the job." He couldn't have got the job, since it was he who lost the job. He been on the booze since November ranting on this web site, since he is no longer being invited to awards dinners. AM2 = A M2 = Mathew Marr.
Gordon's wee creature is on the job know. Seems he's lost all confidence of Wendy holding together Scottish Labour support for the next election.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 19/02/2008 07:53:05
and here folks is the bit from Henry Mcleish that the Hootsman did not let you read taken from The Herald

"Mr McLeish's admission that the SNP had played a blinder since last May and that Labour MPs at Westminster had undermined Ms Alexander were both seized on by the SNP.

The former First Minister said: "The SNP have proved that they've been very popular in government, they've been very effective, they've been very Scottish."

Maybe Pia did some spinning before he left!

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carrottop,

Dumfries 19/02/2008 08:18:18
If she wasn't there they wouldn't be able to snipe at her.
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Alasdair,

19/02/2008 08:48:10
I was under the impression that it is CURRENT Scotsman journalists that have the unenviable job of being Ms Alexander's spokespersons.
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yockel,

19/02/2008 08:51:44
"..Wendy Alexander's difficulty is the fact there's a constant sniping from Westminster.."

Wendy is her own "difficulty" sniping has little to do with it. Behaving like her Westminster pals when it comes to funding is more like the thing.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 09:31:47
The Scots Labour M.P.'s at Westminster are all ultra- British Nationalists who are fierce opponents of Scottish Devolution.

IF, the Conservative Party wins the next General Election and brings a Bill forward to repeal the Scotland Act then don't be surprised if all the remaining Labour M.P.'s, including every Scottish Labour Member, vote with the Tories to achieve this end!

Such a dangerous act can only have one outcome?
The implosion of the Labour Party in Scotland!
The Scottish National Party in the ensuing political turmoil will then ultimately achieve its aim, and Scotland's secession from this unitary state!

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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 19/02/2008 09:56:39
Well she is eminantly snipe-able (and un-electable). How on earth did she get to be head of the Scottish labour party? ...The rest of them must be truly frightening.
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AJ Fife,

19/02/2008 10:03:56
I like the fact that all Labour MP's Lord it over wee wendy!

It's about time Scottish Labour dumped the UK brand and worked solely within the environs of Holyrood! The credibilty they'd recieve would be overwhelming and only then would we see them properly serving the Scottish public.

Of course, they would cease being a unionist party!;)
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 19/02/2008 10:10:51
#54 "On the 29th of Nov 2003 the Scottish Industry Forum
donated £10,000.00 to Wendy Alexander."

This story was covered in the Times (Scotland) last weekend but I was surprised to see no mention of it in the Scotsman since then. If the facts are correct - and they seem to stand up to scrutiny - then Wendy Alexander has acted illegally AGAIN and on a much larger scale than the cash from Jersey incident. Are all the so-called watchdogs 'bought men'? Or just utterly toothless and fat - enjoying their £80k salaries and perks, and looking forward to big juicy pensions, like that lying thief McLeish.
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JayDeeTee,

19/02/2008 10:18:32
This article sums up New Labour. A bunch of snivelling backstabbers, desperate to out-do each other whilst wriggling out of sleaze. GENERAL ELECTION NOW PLEASE!
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 19/02/2008 10:20:31
#68 AJ Fife, your suggestion is all very well, but surely it would need a whole new membership and representatives, since the Labour Party in Scotland is a unionist party, and those presently in office could not possibly be so hypocritical and opportunist and insincere as to suddenly become pro-independence.

Could they?
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alanh,

19/02/2008 10:21:36
the new spokesperson said " said he had taken the job because Ms Alexander had shown strength and character in coming through a testing time and would now be able to provide a stern challenge to Mr Salmond."

looks like he can lie as good as dishonest wendy so should fit right in with the nu lab north briton party
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 19/02/2008 10:25:01
#69
Gosh Tweedmouth, that's the first time you've ever said anything I agree with. Keep it up, good man.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 19/02/2008 10:26:36
#71

I think you underestimate them on the 'hypocritical and oppertunist' front....
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AJ Fife,

19/02/2008 10:44:16
#71,

I think many Labour MSP have proved themselves to be "resourceful", so a change in core political beliefs wouldn't be too much of a problem.

Wendy has already set the tone with a plea for more devolved power - unthinkable just over a year ago!
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

19/02/2008 10:57:25
Stop donating to her for a start
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Sgurr,

19/02/2008 11:27:20
I must admit, I thought it was a mistake for AS to come to Holyrood. Now though, I can see that he really is a true tactician, running rings around Labour. Labour need someone with both intellectual rigour and pollitical savvy to compete.

Wendy might have been hailed as an intellectual power, but politics isn't played out in a one hour written exam. Problem for them is, who can replace her. The very act of replacement will damage Labour. What about Jackie Bailey??? She's nice presentable young lady, clearly very, very, extra clever, yet with that certain je ne sais nothin of her subtlety and political savvy.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 19/02/2008 11:34:23
Someone on the Herald site re directed everyone to the Daily Mail where this chaps previous assessment of Ms Alexander are quoted.
They are less than complimentary!
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An Beal Bacht,

19/02/2008 11:35:36
I got moderated for song lyrics - with all the bad bits removed. Well translated perhaps - bratch!
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Number 6,

Germany 19/02/2008 11:48:09
It's obvious that labour MPs know their seats are in danger as long as she is portrayed as their future "Great Leader", as Gormless Gordon has already
done to their followers. She is very very low quality,
and they know the scottish people will contrast her behaviour, performance and court appearances V Salmond's, right up to the day Brown is forced to call an election.

There is zero chance of her ever getting the upper hand, she is simply not got the intellectual capacity.
Similar to Brown, both lauded as some kind of intellectual giants, and both shown to be nothing but dithering incompitents. How can Labour possibly win the election, on either side of the border if this is all they have?
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Miss H,

19/02/2008 12:09:57
I don't think it is fair to say that all Scottish Labour MPs are 'ultra- British Nationalists'.

Some of them may be but in most cases I think they are just worried about themselves. After all it's a cushy job being a Scottish MP. You get paid more than an MSP but MSPs do most of the work. Plus you are not under anything like the same level of scrutiny as MSPs are. And it has always been assumed that Scots voters will just automatically go out and vote Labour at Westminster elections without the candidates having to do over much to persuade them!

So there's a lot at stake for these guys. They are looking at extinction and they don't like it.
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Miss H,

19/02/2008 12:17:16
Incidentally if Simon Pia has been hired to make Wendy seem more human, approachable, warm and funny he will be in the job for about 5 minutes. So that will be about the same as his predecessors.


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britfree,

camelon 19/02/2008 12:45:08
what, like real sniping? bullets n that?. that sounds like a braw job. wendys heid in the crosshairs like a GIANT melon from day of the jakals
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Resolutions,

19/02/2008 12:47:12
Cannot think of one reason to stop sniping at The Wendy and her entourage? Even from her so called 'own side'.

It's her ain fault.

Carry on everyone - it is entertaining.
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Calum Crubag,

19/02/2008 12:48:22
I thought Labour were Unionists. They can't even unite with each other. What a pathetic bunch of cretins.

Cairns' comments are almost racist. Would he refer to interest in Pakistan as the 'Ahmedchattering classes'?
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:56:30
Henry is living in never never land. The idea that Labour will ever stand up for Scotland is an absurd fantasy.

Labour are puppets controlled from London, he knows it, we know it, everyone knows it.

McLeish should take any ambition he has for his country to a party that actually respects it, ie the SNP.
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Hebb,

19/02/2008 12:57:22
#77 Sgurr wrote:

"Labour need someone with both intellectual rigour and pollitical savvy to compete [with Alex Salmond]. Wendy might have been hailed as an intellectual power, but politics isn't played out in a one hour written exam. Problem for them is, who can replace her."

Step forward the intellectual and political powerhouse that is Lord George Foulkes, a man lauded for his honesty and integrity by the people of Scotland. No-one could ever accuse him of being the worst kind of North British Labour careerist, a warmongering apologist for the Blair-Brown continuum and someone almost completely lacking in moral principle.

Surely only he can revive the fortunes of the Labour Parody in Scotland?

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Busymale,

19/02/2008 13:20:03
Disappointing to see AM2 isn't here today to congratulate the new man. Or did he not like his replacement?
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jj veritas,

19/02/2008 13:24:05
Labour MPs should stop sniping at Wendy. They should move over and let us all have a go.
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IainA,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:37:45
This article is a symptom of the growing divide in labour politics. It must be getting fairly serious for as pro-labour a newspaper as the Scotsman to publish it.
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Sgurr,

19/02/2008 14:31:02
That said, if AS were to be deposed as leader, which he inevitably will, you could equally say, who would fill the AS hole?
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 19/02/2008 14:48:58
My Goodness!

I've just been having a look at some of the comments about Wendy from Pia's journalistic past.

HOW DID THIS MAN GET THE JOB??

Having taken on a job as a political spin doctor (aka professional liar) I am not surprises at Pia's about turn, BUT, COME ON WENDY! As a management consultant do you not do BACKGROUND REPORTS on any new potential members of staff? Check the accuracy of the CV? This appointment is an open goal for the diversion of any comment he makes along the lines of asking if he has cleared that with the "Gruppenfuhrer".

He's not even subtle. If he starts shooting off at the SNP Government, which is popular and has pretty much proved its skill in governance, like he previously did against Wendy, he will just not be taken seriously.

A lame duck spin doctor spinning for a lame duck leader.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 19/02/2008 15:00:19
Wow! With friends like McLeish and Pia who needs enemies. She had no option but to let the McLeish car crash happen, but she could have made a wiser choice in her latest spin-meister. Ironically Pia's tutor was GB who is currently in the process of dismantling Wendy's ideas for a personal Reich, so maybe she didn't get a choice after all. Meanwhile a lucky Labour MP could hit the "target" and give us all a break.

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A Voice From Scotland,

19/02/2008 15:07:42


77Sgurr,19/02/2008 11:27:20


Reading that has buggered up afternoon tea and crimpets. Boak ;o)
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 19/02/2008 15:10:07
I've also been looking at the comments of ex First Minister, Henry McLeish, in The Herald (because the full story is there).

I think that he is getting a lot of undeserved stick from all quarters. His assessment of the position Scottish Labour find themselves in is pretty balanced and fair. He may be a tad over optimistic about their chances of any recovery given the imminence of a full blown civil war, but he is entitled to that opinion and also entitled to encourage his party members to pull back from the brink.

He is still a big political figure in Scotland and will continue to be long after Wendy heads south. This is because he had the grace and honour to actually step down from Office when he was hit by allegations of sleeze. Furthermore he was ACTUALLY CLEARED of any wrong doing. A point missed by many.

I welcome his input, he is head and shoulders above the labour MSP herd. He had something constructive to say and did not read mealy mouthed mantra and buzz phrases from a script such as "delivering social justice". After 50 years in control of Scotland THAT should have been sorted years ago!
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Boggle fey the Bog,

19/02/2008 15:12:31
No Wendy story?
Lord Robertson sent a letter to the Herald stating that the SIF was and always has been an organ to channel support into the Labour Party in opposition, funny that, they were founded in 1995 and there aims are clearly stated to be 'non-political' i.e no affiliations to political parties,
Check out this IPSOS-MORI article from 1999
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/1999/scotindf.shtml

Check out Lord Robertson's letter here

http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/letters/display.var.2051282.0.Industry_forum.php

I wonder if this will be removed, by the Hootsmons 'Thought Police'.
ADMINISTRATOR, in the interests of democracy, free speech, freedom of thought and natural justice, if you do remove this post, please publish, as you are supposed to the reasons for it's removal, or indeed contact me so we can discuss your rabid censorship of the press!!!!!

Boggle
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Iain's,

19/02/2008 16:05:49
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Resolutions,

19/02/2008 16:17:16
I see , has awakened again to be removed. Notice how active this 'guy' is in the wee sma' hoors and then as he presumeably crashes out, there is peace!

Been checking out this Pia guy though. Seriously why did Wendy gie him the job? Or did she? Is he a 'plant' from the London Labour Mafia?

There is a lot more to be revealed about the fund-raising methods of this lot to come out too, I suspect. Wendy is far from 'in the clear'. Keep asking questions and digging folks.
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Splashie,

19/02/2008 17:25:17
103. I was saying that another sad unionist faker has been deleted - but it seems you have been deleted before I could even laugh at you...
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GP,

19/02/2008 17:48:24
Answer to headline, WHY?
She may be a criminal soon.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 19/02/2008 18:04:51
#98 I have a lot of time for Mcleish. At the inception of his ministerial role he was keen to correct the plight of the old, poor and infirm. His bill, Free care for the Elderly and his personal meetings with pensioner forums were too much for Blair and the then Chancellor, Brown to swallow. Remember Brown wanted to keep in place the Treasury measures he inherited from Kenneth Clarke and did so for TWO YEARS. It wouldn't surprise me if they were instrumental in getting rid of him!
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Andrew Allan,

19/02/2008 18:26:38
#109., Il Penseroso.
Look I'm no fan of what Brown has been doing for a while now, but as the Tories in government, and much in the same way as the previous Edinburgh City council, knew they were on the way out, and so made it almost impossible for the next people coming in to do what they really wanted to do from day one, Brown was right to carrt on the tory spending plans for two years.
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Conan the Librarian™,

19/02/2008 20:10:00
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http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/863/962537.JPG

That's an old tranny.
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An Beal Bacht,

19/02/2008 20:28:51
114 - Conan the Librarian™, 19/02/2008 20:10:00:

Are you the real Conan?

http://www.sectionviiiclan.com/images/uploads/crossdresser.jpg

Noo that's a Tranny!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

19/02/2008 20:45:56
113. Other than giving me a wee laugh (i quite liked the "dance it up to 11, baby, twinkle feet bits btw, quite funny), nope can't say your antics are "hurting" (what sort of crazed cyber stalker thinks that use of a few fakey monikers would hurt? )

Anyways, carry on,

114 - Hoos Poos C the L
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

19/02/2008 20:54:23
117. Meths

just a quick post to see how much time the loon will now waste logging in as an Ayrshire fakey hehehe

see you at CLub Hoos de Poos later....
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The real fakey, not the fake fakey,

19/02/2008 22:11:21
Fake Splashie is not me baby. I think Meths faking me faking him - tragic.

118 - Ayrshire Scot, also I am not the fake Ayrshire on here, well I was once, but not the proper fake ayrshire, the fake fake one.

Been way to busy today for my ritual catharsis of insane outpourings. But please Maths, seeing you faking me faking you is pathetic, you make me want to puke on a puddles of puke in puke street, puke-city, pukesville, United Pukedom, PUKE1 2EW, planet puke.

Yes indeedy doody, you are SICK in the head numbnuts.

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Silent Hunter,

19/02/2008 22:13:13
Why is this crooked bitch still leader of the Labour Party in Scotland?

Never mind an election now.......WE NEED A REVOLUTION NOW!
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The real fakey, not the fake fakey,

19/02/2008 22:14:16
Also wierd Methalions with the daft i is now dead :(

HE WILL NOT BE CRANKING THIS DEBATE = GONE GONE GONE = FAKE SPLASHIE = SICKO
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Conan the Librarian™,

19/02/2008 22:17:51
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Heh.
I'm getting...no. I am old.
A wee six volt radio is what I think is a "tranny".Its what I used to get Radio Caroline, then John Peel on.
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Conan the Librarian™,

19/02/2008 22:24:14
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Have you eaten him?
Accompanied with a nice Chianti?

Is there an ABBA song here?

Faking me, Faking him, AHAH...

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/02/2008 22:28:01
I reckon Henry McLeish was set up by Labour as he was too much of a leader who was giving the Jockoes ideas above their station.

Wendy, on the other hand, is perfect for Labour.

hhfh (ha ha effing ha)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/02/2008 22:29:59
Come on, get real. Wendy was born to be sniped at as long as she refuses to understand that she is a backroom girl.
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Conan the Librarian™,

19/02/2008 23:12:08
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Where do you live?

Do you pay taxes?