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Kto ky jestes! Stirling Moss? Poles are warned on flouting drink drive laws



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Published Date: 23 December 2008
POLICE forces in Scotland have reissued their annual drink-drive warnings – this time in Polish.
Officers acted after finding that, in some areas of the country, one in ten drink-drivers caught is from Poland or elsewhere in eastern Europe.

An increase in migrant workers and the higher maximum alcohol limit in the UK than elsewhere are seen as possible factors.

Central Scotland Police said east European drivers figured disproportionately among those found to be over the limit in the annual festive campaign.

It said four of the 43 drivers caught were Polish.

Both the Tayside and the Lothian and Borders forces also reported they had detected a significant number of such drivers.

Tayside Police said one of the ten drivers testing positive in the first week of the campaign this month was Polish, while one of the 14 drivers in the second week was Slovakian.

Several forces' patrol vehicles carry phrase books in various languages, while warnings about drink driving have been issued to east European publications in Scotland.

In Tayside, special leaflets and posters with information about drink driving, speeding and seat belt laws have now been produced for migrant workers such as vegetable pickers and hotel staff.

Chief Inspector Donald McMillan, the head of road policing for Central Scotland Police, said some Poles were flouting the law in Scotland despite stricter limits at home.

He said: "In recent weeks, a number of Polish nationals have been caught drinking and driving within the Central Scotland Police area as they are obviously unaware of the limits here – 35 micrograms of breath or 80 milligrams of blood."

The limit in Poland is 20 milligrams.

Mr McMillan said: "I am angered that the message we are trying to put out has been ignored. There is a complete disregard for the advice we are giving. The problem is that back home it is not cracked down on so much and they are willing to take the chance that they won't be caught.

"Overall, around 6 per cent of drunk drivers caught in our area are foreign – that is a massive over-representation."

Tayside Police said east European drivers caught drink driving often gave very high readings.

Chief Inspector Sandy Bowman said: "There are a number of people driving on our roads who do not heed road traffic law. Among them are certain drivers from overseas – noticeably eastern Europe – who are either unaware of, or who have a blatant disregard for, our road traffic laws, particularly in relation to drinking and driving.

"People who have recently arrived in Scotland from overseas are being detected on an almost weekly basis whilst over the drink drive limit. Very often they are far in excess of that limit."

Police said the total number of drink and drug drivers caught in the second week of their festive campaign was 184, down by 51 on the same period last year. They included 11 in the Highlands, compared with 18 in 2007.

Assistant Chief Constable Jim Green of Strathclyde Police, the road policing secretary for the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, said there was no room for complacency.

He said: "The numbers may be down on last year but they remain unacceptably high across the country."

Mr Green said people were more willing than ever to alert police to suspected drink drivers – including half those detected in Tayside.

• A Polish driver appeared in court yesterday charged with smashing into a pub while over the drink drive limit and injuring a man.

Rafal Wnuk, 35, a welder, denied losing control of his car and crashing into the Foundry Bar in Aberdeen on Saturday night.


BACKGROUND

POLAND has one of the highest road death rates in Europe, partially fuelled by drink-driving.

Observers said the practice had become a deeply-ingrained tradition in the country, especially as drink-drivers had had little chance of being caught in the past.

Matthew Day, a journalist based in Warsaw, said: "The problem is worst at holiday times, when families gather for big celebrations and then they pile back into their cars to drive home. Only recently have police started crackdowns, but they have found it very difficult to tackle."

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1

Conan the Librarian™,

23/12/2008 00:17:31
Stirling Moss always used to be in pole position.
2

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/12/2008 00:54:09
Kto ky jestes!

We never used to start drinking till January at least when you'd carry a half-cutter in the glove-box in case you meet neighbour on the single track. When you'd stop and discuss the fishing crisis on the west coast, the state of hill farming, the near non-existence of scottish manufacuring industry, ditto scottish money, also known as credit, from the HBOS.

This is a distant memory. I with it was!
3

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23/12/2008 05:19:27
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Kiltman,

Vilnius 23/12/2008 05:25:02
Living in Vilnius you see drink driving all the time... the rules might say one thing but they are ignored. Recently there has been a crack down... on the police drinking & driving!!!!
5

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/12/2008 05:41:41
.. and their cannabis factory - in a police house! - was recently raided. What are the hills of Ross-shire like. "Was it good stuff," I asked the officer. Whereupon I got a grim look from the driver of the cop car and buttoned my lip case I was arrested for walking on a pavement. Which is still questionably legal in these northern towns if you ken where you're going, or if you don't, can immediately be quite plausible ..
6

Grumpy,

23/12/2008 07:11:24
"35 micrograms of breath or 80 milligrams of blood. The limit in Poland is 20 milligrams"

Does this not mean that the limit in Poland is LOWER not HIGHER? Or has the Scotsman reporter mixed up his micrograms of breath with his milligrams of blood?
7

Down-to-earth,

Warsaw 23/12/2008 07:19:04
Perhaps the Scottish police will be able to teach our drivers a lesson. Ours just can't cope with all the drunken driving which ends up in so many accidents.
BTW, it should be ty not ky in the title.
8

TREV,

Poland 23/12/2008 08:46:13
#6 Grumpy, yes, the limit is lower in Poland, so if they decide to D&D they may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

The alcohol also acts as a anaesthetic for when they have the crash which they'd probably have anyway. The way a lot of Poles drive (especially ones with big, expensive cars, taxi drivers and Audi drivers)al Quaeda should think about hiring them for suicide attacks.

Yes, that should be 'ty' (you) in the title.
9

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/12/2008 09:41:29
It's better to hang a gimmer, but not too long.

Kto ty jestes

Have we got it right now? What's near to the authentic pronounciation. Thinkin of polish girlfriends, make me so blue ..

(tak aff a dram an play some Hopkins..)
10

Carter Pewterschmidt,

23/12/2008 09:52:11
Wow - the level of drink driving is disproportionatley high among eastern europeans....thats a bit racist isn't it? (well actually it's not..but stick with me I'm going somewhere)

Imagine saying the level of crime commited by blacks or asians was disproportionatly high?

It would ruin Christmas TV as nobody could hear it due to all the crying and whinging that would be going on.
11

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/12/2008 10:21:46
I don't know what Sir Stirling Moss has to do with drinking and driving....

"An increase in migrant workers and the higher maximum alcohol limit in the UK than elsewhere are seen as possible factors."

An increase in the number of migrant workers is logically a factor, however the higher limit over here is most certainly NOT a factor. Anyone who has driven in Poland will be aware of the fact that the Poles on the whole have a completely different attitude to driving than the British do. It is still seen as the mark of a man to be able to get from A to B quicker than the next man and often huge risks are taken at ridiculously high speeds on poor roads to achieve this.

If the average British motorist attempted the drive from Frankfurt an-der Oder to Warsaw via Poznan then they would probably be so petrified that they would turn back after about 100km.

On Polish main roads (most of them single carriageway) it is not uncommon to find cars three or four abreast, going in different directions in order to overtake. Even trucks and 52-seater coaches do this as well.

Drinking and driving is seen by many as being macho rather than something to avoid.

In some ways, we are fortunate that many Poles who live here do not own cars or the figures would be a lot worse.
12

Scimitar1,

23/12/2008 10:57:03
Such a frivolous headline for a pretty serious crime in the UK - how come ?

Drunk driving amongst Poles is known across Europe- it's a FACT. It first surfaced in Ireland in 2004 and reached the stage that the Irish Foreign minister raised it with his Polish counterpart the fatalities were so high
13

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/12/2008 11:11:22
Have you read Autocar recently, Octane Head?

-- Poles on the whole have a completely different attitude to driving than the British do.

by not driving blizt out of their mind on Continental motorways to where the speed limiter can be deregulated. Everyweek they promote overweight, overpowered machines that could never be driven safely on British roads with any speck of sanity. Of course, on a clear motorway in the middle of the night, it's be perfectly safe BUT to real drivers on real roads, that gets you arrested and up in court. Unlike the fastasy world of magazines. But there IS the glamour dziewczyn and I'm not Humphrey Bogart.
14

Zohan,

23/12/2008 11:15:33
Blame it all on the poles, if it makes you feel better. Scotland taking racism to the next level
15

Brad,

Glasgow 23/12/2008 11:15:47
#10, it would depend it was true, and why it was being said, and by who. You can use the truth to mislead.

It's well-known (and publicised) that young black males in London are responsible for a disproportionate level of crime, especially homicide. But why highlight the race aspect? Ill-educated, poor, young males in large cities account for most of that sort of crime everywhere. Glasgow has the UK's highest murder rate - and that's due to young white males. I suspect the city's Asians are relatively law-abiding in comparison (faint praise?).
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23/12/2008 11:17:06
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Brad,

Glasgow 23/12/2008 11:17:34
#14, no-one is blaming all on the Poles. Only disproportionately. And no-one here seems to have exrtapolated that to anything else that could remotely be called racist. You are crying wolf.
18

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/12/2008 11:18:50
Yok:

No. I haven't read Autocar recently. My comments are based upon personal experience.

As for the rest of your post, I can't fathom it out unfortunately...
19

TREV,

Warmia, Poland 23/12/2008 11:38:30
Alternative, I drive from Between Warsaw, Olsztyn and Gdansk and what you describe is mild! We have tree lined rural roads which resemble the moon's surface after an elephants' hopping race (the potholes aren't the problem, it's the bits of road sticking out of them)and Audis which drive down th centre of the road with a 'get out of my way' mentality.

Zohan, there is no racism involved. Let me put it this way, I live in a small city in northern Poland. I sometimes see more accidents in a month here than I see in a year in UK (yes, I'm serious). The local newspaper has daily picturs of car wrecks where you cannot even make out what kind of car it used to be. Drink-driving is almost a culture in my area which kills so many young drivers. Thankfully the police ar cracking down this year.
20

Scunner,

Aberdeen 23/12/2008 12:34:20
Every week in the local paper you see an eastern european being done for drink driving. It is a joke.

The punishments for drink driving should be harder. If the foreigners don't adhear to our laws they should be sent home to where their own country!
21

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/12/2008 15:26:22
Trev:

Glad to see there's someone else here who knows what I'm talking about.

I've seen some literally horrendous smashes on Polish roads and the reasons are obvious in most cases---dangerous driving, lack of patience and outright agression.

Even the ministry of the interior (or whatever they are called) are no exception. I was driving towards Warsaw one time, overtaking a truck. Then someone coming the other way pulled out to overtake another slower vehicle and then to cap it all, along came a government vehicle with flashing blues and reds straight down the middle of the lot of us at over 100mph.

Another time I was on a coach coming into Warsaw. The driver went across one of the tram intersections near Warsaw West so fast that the entire coach left the road.

Anyone who thinks that the UK has a road safety problem should be forced by law to drive for a fortnight in Poland. That would soon cure them of their fears in the UK.
22

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/12/2008 15:28:02
#21:

The penalty for DRIVING driving??? What's that then?
23

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 23/12/2008 15:31:54
Kto ky jestes
Anyone able to pronounce this (correctly) deserves a medal. Anyway, it probably sounds the same drunk, or sober.
24

Arrow,

edinburgh 23/12/2008 15:37:18
i drove in East Africa years ago and the local attitude among the bulk of the Moslem rsidents to road safety was along the lines of "if god wills it" and took a very casual attitude to driving, overtaking and walking along the unlit rural roads at night. it fairly made your bum hang on to the seat if you were being driven or driving. it may be that the eastern european attitude is different but if they do drink and drive and get caught then they should be posted back from whence they came with a big red stamp on their forehead and on their passport so they don't get back in. in fact could we not put our native drunk drivers on the same transport and se how the Poles lke it!!.
25

Keith Lagden,

23/12/2008 18:24:46
Scotland sounds soooo like America, lets have the language for each of the immigrants. Total BS, have them speak and read english or go home, that's a better idea leave the jobs open for scots.

We saved their sorry back sides in 1939. Nuff Sed

26

Harry Carnie,

British Columbia, Canada 23/12/2008 18:31:22


Here in Canada we do not mind "pushing #1 for English"
as French is #2, in our two National languages.

How long before in Canada and the U.K. it will be "push #5 for English"??

Do you in the U.K. have a "catch and release" for those
who are repeat offenders on your motorways?

Here, anyone who kills or maims on our highways, through driving when drunk, or street racing is released after a "slap on the wrist" for the most serious offenses.

This is excellent for business it keeps the insurance, panel beaters, mortuary, ambulance ,funeral services,
all in employment.

When it come to the suffering of the victims and their families......that is NEVER a concern of our Liberal bleeding hearts, who are only concerned with the rights of the offenders
27

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 23/12/2008 21:29:38
The Poles are like us Scots, hard working and love a good bevvy.

Anger in this instance, should not be targets at these poor b^ggers but to the politically correct waste of spaces who call themselves who call them police officers.

Instead of wasting our tax payers money on campaigns in foreign languages, they should be showing a zero tolerance approach.

If Poles or any other foreign national gets into trouble, they should have had the decency to learn the laws of this country and a few words of the lingo to get by with the locals. The same would be expected of myself if I went over to their countries.
28

The real dracula,

23/12/2008 21:41:22
Well as I see it they can continue to drink and drive and mangle themselves in a wreck if they want but then if they live should pay their medical expenses themselves.

AS LONG AS THEY DONT HIT AN INNOCENT PERSON/S IN THEIR SELFISH PURSUITS.

Noone needs to drink and drive thats why we have taxis and buses , oh and legs
29

Ania,

Corstorphine 23/12/2008 21:59:55
Matthew Day, a journalist based in Warsaw, said: "The problem is worst at holiday times, when families gather for big celebrations and then they pile back into their cars to drive home. Only recently have police started crackdowns, but they have found it very difficult to tackle."
Yeah, whenever I meet my fellow Poles for any celebrations here, I need to have a bottle of vodka before I get behind the wheel, otherwise I am too afraid to drive!!! but since when do people in Poland own cars?? I thought they are still using horse-drawn carts!!!
30

Big Jock McDoc,

Sotland 23/12/2008 22:43:13
#30

I don't know if you are some troll or taking the p... but if you are a Pole and take a bottle of vodka before you get behind a wheel you and your fellow country-people will find that they are not so welcome here for very long.
31

Ania,

Corstorphine 23/12/2008 22:53:59
hmmm if I feel lucky I have two bottles. this is a Polish way of driving, cultivated for decades. if you want to pass your driving test in Poland, you need to destroy a bottle with your examiner, otherwise you will fail
:-)
32

TREV,

Warmia, Poland 24/12/2008 12:07:19
#30, Ania, funny you should say that. I was driving behind a trailer today and thought he had a smokey exhaust. It turned out it was the horses breath in the cold weather (really!).

The problem is some of these guys don't realise there is a difference to driving their horses and driving an Audi.

Alternative!
There was a government minister rcently caught because he saw a high security police patrol (carrying mafia prisoners) driving high speed down the road. He decided to follow it because he could avoid the lights. The police stopped him because they thought that he might be a mafia guy trying to rescue his buddies (mafia/politician, same thing). Apparently they might have shot him (shame they didn't).

Yes, holidays are pretty drink fuelled. I've had people scream at me for not drinking at weddings when I was the driver. Even the newspapers here are pushing an anti-D&D message. The police are tightening up. There have been road-blocks outside the town on some hlidays and EVERYONE gets tested (not like PC UK where they can't breathalyse without a reason). A couple of weekends ago I go stopped at a check-point at 08.00am sunday morning on a lazy, village backroad.

 

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