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'It's a fiasco – but my nose isn't in the trough'



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Published Date:
10 February 2008
SCOTTISH Labour leader Wendy Alexander last night admitted she had presided over a "fiasco" in the row over her campaign donations.
But Alexander vowed to rebuild her leadership by championing a less cynical style of politics, revealing how she even considers "Buddhist" values of truth and kindness before launching attacks against opponents.

And in a wide-ranging Scotland on Sunday interview, Alexander angrily ridiculed any suggestion that she was on a political gravy train, pointing out she earned far less now than she did when working in the private sector.

But it emerged last night that Alexander has effectively been put on a year's probation by senior party figures, who warned she had until the 2009 European elections to prove her leadership credentials.

Alexander was cleared by election chiefs last week despite wrongly accepting a £950 donation from a businessmen in Jersey. The law says that politicians can only accept cash from UK taxpayers.

She insisted she had acted "honourably" during her leadership campaign last summer, claiming she had tried "to do the right thing". In a frank interview, she angrily dismissed any suggestion she was in politics for personal gain.

"Actually, the thing is that, goddammit, I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics," she declared.

She added: "You have to look the part as well, goddammit. I never had my hair highlighted in my life before. Whatever this is, it's not a gravy train."

Alexander called for a less cynical style of politics, revealing that she considers Buddhist mantras before leading political attacks against opponents. "(Politics] is not the sort of world where the Buddhist mantra of, 'is it true, is it necessary, and is it kind', is very often applied to a political speech. But I do sometimes give thought before I speak to whether those tests have been applied," she said.

Alexander said she did not want to cast slurs on Alex Salmond's own honesty for the sake of scoring political points.

"It's not that I don't want to stand up and take Alex Salmond on, but do I fundamentally think he is a corrupt politician? No I don't."

Alexander's comments come with senior party figures warning that she has until next year's European elections to prove that she is capable of leading the party in Scotland over the long-term.

A senior party source said: "If she can demonstrate leadership she has got until the European elections next year. "

Several other party sources contacted by Scotland on Sunday said they believed she had no future at all. "She is toast," said one well-placed insider.

FACE TO FACE: READ CATHERINE DEVENEY'S INTERVIEW WITH THE LABOUR LEADER

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  • Last Updated: 09 February 2008 9:56 PM
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 10/02/2008 00:06:06
"put on probation by senior party officials"

Is this what G BROWN from Kirkcaldy now calls himself
2

MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:08:55
She needs her mouth washed out with soap.
A 'credible' leader does not use expletives in interviews.
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:19:26
Eddie - Have you finally dug your ethics out of the trunk or is this an anomaly?
I'm stunned that you have refrained from editing her less edifying comments.
Dare I hope that the lightbulb has finally illuminated your former misguided perceptions?
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Scottish Politics,

10/02/2008 00:21:59
Unbelievable. For Wendy to claim she is "poorer" now than she has been in 20 years is a slap in the face for people who have had the *really* low paid jobs. An MSP effectively claiming that they are underpaid deserves no sympathy from the public and this shows just how out of touch and insensitive Wendy Alexander really is.

Also sounds like Eddie Barnes has been reading the Labour Party crib notes with his assertion Wendy was "cleared".
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 00:22:24
Alexander was not cleared by election chiefs last week despite wrongly accepting a £950 donation from a businessmen in Jersey. The law says that politicians can only accept cash from UK taxpayers.

The Electoral Commission decided it was "not in the public interest" to refer the matter to the Crown Office. Which means something quite different.

"Roger­ Irrelevant,
08/02/2008 01:17:53
I am the journalist who is impersonating roger I am not posts 71 or 72 they are fakes.

This journalist is now cutting and pasting you.

*****(My parenthesis) we cant be bothered with you.

We let people impersonate others because it increases our advertising revenue because it looks like we have more posters on the site.

Occasionally we do this ourselves to get people fired up.

***** my job is too get as many posts as possible on the site. If that means impersonating people then that's exactly what we will do. Sadly some of our posters figured it out and used it against us. I am only telling you because this is my last day."

'ello, 'ello, ello, wot's all this 'ere then?

Shouldn't we all be "championing a less cynical style of politics, revealing how she even considers "Buddhist" values of truth and kindness before launching attacks . . . ." ?

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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 00:24:29
Fiasco.

A complete and ignominious failure.

Disaster, catastrophe, debacle, flop, bomb.

Are you happy with your leader, Labour voters?
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:24:41
Colin R
Not to worry, her immunity is wearing thin. Note her admiting that, unlike she and her compatriots, Alex Salmond is NOT corrupt. How do you think that admission is going to play in Downing St?
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\seasider,

Saltcoats 10/02/2008 00:24:46
What a crowd of ______ is there no credibility with these people? All I see between this and the story of Hain is more expensive exspensive spin. She still feeds from the same trough.
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:30:07
Evening Conan
Is our 'plunge pool' friend still around?
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 10/02/2008 00:34:16
I am sure the remark about being poorer will go down well in Paisley.

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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:35:46
What is her litmus test for 'poorer'?
Thousands?
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megz,

glasgow 10/02/2008 00:37:50
of course her nose isn't in the trough, she has to be able to breathe goddammit!!!! thats why her mouth is so big hehe.
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:40:25
I'm still curious about where the funds she solicited for her unopposed 'camaign went to?
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 00:41:36
s/b campaign
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 00:43:53
For all you Paisley buddies out there on benefits ... on 12K a year call centre jobs ... this is your chance to reach out to Wendy ... and for Wendy to reach out to you. She has empathy...she feels your pain ... she knows how it feels....

"Actually, the thing is that, goddammit, I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics," she declared.
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Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 00:48:13
If there is any money left over from the London Olympics maybe it should go to Wendy??
I'm planning a flag day for her to scrape some desperatly need money for Her. ;-)
Will I put you down for a tenner AM2???
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Richard,

West Lothian 10/02/2008 00:51:49
"In a (very short)frank interview",my parentheses, Wendy made a fool of herself taking the Lord's name in vain! Hardly the language one would expect from a daughter of the manse? Hahahahah!

"And in a wide-ranging Scotland on Sunday interview"...

What five questions? Hahahahahaha!




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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 10/02/2008 00:53:20
I wonder if senior figures in the Scottish Labour Party are going to allow the Party to become a bigger joke than it already is before they act to remove Alexander.

Had Gordon Brown been riding high in the polls down south she would have walked by now.



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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 00:53:30
The article states "Several other party sources contacted by Scotland on Sunday said they believed she had no future at all."

And ends: '"She is toast," said one well-placed insider.'

And that's her friends?

Despite the perceived bias on this site I am utterly confounded by the alleged "Cybernat" attacks (you're an old fool GF!) against ordinary folk expressing views in these threads.

You slouched off to the Glesca paper's boards for solace, KarinM and your sad mates. The blogspot link reveals 121 profile views, 4 comments and sweet funny else. Some revolution!

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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 10/02/2008 00:56:17
Who says 'goddamit'? What century is she from? The fact is she has presided over a fiasco that is her own making. She had four months of wrangling over the budget to make a case. In that time, she could have made it clear what Labour stand for. Not only did she fail to change the budget one iota, but she failed to get over to the public what she actually believes in and what Labour stand for. Wendy Alexander is a virtual politician, there is no substance to her at all; it is all spin. Now Labour are saddled with her.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 10/02/2008 01:02:16
She really is utterly deluded. Buddhist values, less cynical approach. Try removing the beam from your eye Wendy - before cynically trying to deny your culpability in this matter. Only ever regretting the fiasco due to being found out. It's a case of must try harder, but maybe not for long if your colleagues are sharpening the knives. I think most people would have preferred another Buddhist value - humility - being demonstrated in this affair instead of obstinate arrogance.
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:08:07
Meanwhile, over at the Sunday ****ld:

GORDON BROWN has delivered another blow to Wendy Alexander's Labour leadership by downgrading and seizing control of her plan to boost Holyrood's powers.

The prime minister has made it clear Alexander's proposal for a Constitutional Commission should be reduced to either a review''or a working party''.

He has also stated that Whitehall, rather than the Scottish parliament, should take the lead in setting up any review of devolution.
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His views were made clear at a Downing Street summit last month on Alexander's constitutional reform plans, which took place without her being present.

Wendy "in absentia". Probably, nobody noticed.


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Edward,

10/02/2008 01:08:57
From the Sunday Herald - 'Brown lays down the law to Wendy: 'I'm in control of debate on Scotland's future'
GORDON BROWN has delivered another blow to Wendy Alexander's Labour leadership by downgrading and seizing control of her plan to boost Holyrood's powers.
The prime minister has made it clear Alexander's proposal for a Constitutional Commission should be reduced to either a review''or a working party''.
He has also stated that Whitehall, rather than the Scottish parliament, should take the lead in setting up any review of devolution.His views were made clear at a Downing Street summit last month on Alexander's constitutional reform plans, which took place without her being present.
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2032977.0.0.php
About says all really!
Wendy is up here pretending she is in charge and all the time its Gordon Brown pulling the strings!



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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:12:14
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2032977.0.0.php

for the full story by Paul Hutcheon

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Edward,

10/02/2008 01:12:25
#24
Sorry for repeating what you provided - great minds and all that!
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democrate,

central Scotland 10/02/2008 01:13:43
Time to come clean. Your nose is in the trough. Very plain and very simple. You took an illegal donation and will not produce the email evidence to contradict that. That you are not being prosecuted is a gift to me the next time I park on a double yellow or speed. Strict liability? Depends if you are a Labour politician or otherwise. Sadly, you remain happy to try to sell Scotland out for your personal ambitions.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 01:17:04
What this article confirms is that while Wendy is given the title of Leader of Holyrood Labour, she is still very much a senior person in what Tony Blair described as a parish council.

London Labour once more demonstrating that they will decide who is leader up here in our country. Its very much the same with Nicol and Annabel, with London calling the shots. While the Scottish People have Alex Salmond and his team of Scots who fire the shots whether London likes it or not.

Why any Scottish Person would tolerate London telling a political leader whether they are allowed to continue in a job they were elected to do by Scottish People is beyond my way of thinking.

I dare them to try the same thing with Alex Salmond and the SNP Government of all the Scottish People without preference, no matter how they voted. My god the SNP would even stand up for this Newspapers Democratic right to promote its loyalty to London. Cant say the same for the Britnat Labour Party who keep attacking the media who have come over to the Scottish Way. Christ all they have left is the BBC and STV.
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subrosa,

10/02/2008 01:18:18
# 27

Can you explain how I can do that? I'm not clued up with html. Thanks.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 10/02/2008 01:23:54
How they gonnie spin this one:

From The Sunday Times February 10, 2008

"Labour chief in new funding row" Tom Gordon


"WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3334740.ece
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Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 01:25:58
Just read the Sunday Times article.
Maybe £999.99p is a piddling sum as in the last fiasco.
Is £12000???

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3334740.ece
Worth a read!!!
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:27:48
Oh, and for the avoidance of doubt,

Deep Puddle (for it is me), when not being irrelevant and a (not jolly) pirate flag, is a Scottish Conservative & Unionist.

It happens.
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10/02/2008 01:29:08
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:32:27
Forgot to add (for, surely, Thursday night/ Friday morning was a torrid time on these threads):

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Richard,

West Lothian 10/02/2008 01:33:06
Beware the SIF!
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:37:32
#28, Edward.

It's OK.

I was hounded off these threads by dark forces last Thursday. (see Post 6 above for the saved quotes)

Nemo me impune laccessit.

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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 01:51:40
#33 - Her words are a pile of ass saving double speak.

"But Alexander vowed to rebuild her leadership by championing a less cynical style of politics, revealing how she even considers "Buddhist" values of truth and kindness before launching attacks against opponents."

IS THIS WHY SHE HAS BEEN BRIEFING ALL OF THE OTHER PARTIES WRONG DOINGS, EITHOUT ANY GROUNDS OTHER THAN SHE'D BEEN COLARED? SEEING AS SHE TELLS ALL MSP's WHAT TO THINK AND SAY?


""Actually, the thing is that, goddammit, I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics," she declared. "

THAT WOULD BE THE JOB UNCLE DONALD GOT YOU?
Also. How many sirecotorships of companies does she have? Quite a few invleved in the out of town retail sector , strangling paisley and partick etc

"It's not that I don't want to stand up and take Alex Salmond on, but do I fundamentally think he is a corrupt politician? No I don't."
UNLIKE HER. AS A PROVEN CORRUPT POLITICAN.


AND THE ICING ONTHE CAKE COURTESY OF THE TIMES AND RIGHT ON CUE!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3334740.ece?Submitted=true

"WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate."

The article here is a little too late luv!Grudged and incincere appologies and feeding the media stories about your virtues does not wash when the times are running this?

YOUR A CROOK, YOU SHOULD LEAVE POLTITICS AND YOU SHOULD NEVER RETURN.

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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:52:54
#31,

File(top left of page), click, "Save Page As" and choose a location (make a file) to save the page.

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Canada,

southampton 10/02/2008 01:55:24
As a Christian I am offended by Wendy's profanity. Sharia law should be applied here.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 01:55:41
"Labour chief in new funding rowTom Gordon
WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate.

The development put her under renewed pressure just days after the commission had ruled that it was not in the public interest to report her to police over a £950 illegal donation from Paul Green, a Jersey-based businessman, to her 2007 campaign for the party leadership.

Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament. "

WELL THEY WERE ALMOST RIGHT IN WHERE THE DONATION WAS GOING. JUST GOT THE WRONG RIGHT WING PARTY.ITS A MUDDLE NOT A FIDDLE, HONEST!

Notice AM2 says he's not patisan?And is never keen too comment on a crooked wendy story.
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 01:56:27
FYI

41 is part of KarinM's wee gang. Bereft of brain cells, they bully instead.

Now at the Herald.

So, for revealing that, shoot me!

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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 02:02:00
I thought about hitting the "Report Unsuitable" button for Post 43.

The "Ignore" feature is better.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 10/02/2008 02:04:15
I would like to propose that we call this one "Wendygate2"

From The Sunday Times
February 10, 2008

"Labour chief in new funding row"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3334740.ece
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Edward,

10/02/2008 02:04:25
Apparently there has been yet another leak at Labour towers. All the Labour MSP's have been given yet another scrpt to quote from when talking to journalists
It is as follows :
1. Suggestions that Labour should have done a deal with the SNP is ridiculous. JS (John Swinney) will NEVER do a deal with Labour because we are the only political force that can defeat the SNP
2. Success for JS would have been to bring forth a minority government's budget that had the support of all minority parties because of co-operation and negotiation. He not even sic attempted to engage the largest opposition party
3. Labour has made our priorities for the budget clear. We will speak to anyone at any time who wants to find a way of introducing social justice to the budget.'
Apprently a Labour spokeswoman said: "We don't comment on leaks, but it is true to say that the mood at the shadow cabinet was upbeat. All the shadow cabinet are united behind Wendy's leadership and they were pleased that the media had finally started to reflect that!"
She apprently was quoting from a previous script!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 02:11:34
#45 - I am flattered you find my words so provocative as to shoot me down without offering any evidence.

Does your name derrive from the stuff oozing out of your ears?
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Richard,

West Lothian 10/02/2008 02:11:35
Well thats Wendy's Sunday ruined!
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 10/02/2008 02:17:28
What did she say? That she was glad she could move on and put it behind her?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3334740.ece
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 02:18:04
#45 - Deep Puddle, or is that trouble?

COuld it be that you find offence in the fact that I have highlighted areas where wendy alexander is being disengenuous?

For example, talking about a clean politic on the day this articel comes out in thetimes?

"Labour chief in new funding rowTom Gordon
WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate.

The development put her under renewed pressure just days after the commission had ruled that it was not in the public interest to report her to police over a £950 illegal donation from Paul Green, a Jersey-based businessman, to her 2007 campaign for the party leadership.

Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament. "

You find commenting on her double standards and snide operational practices as bullying?

I also note you commented on my first post ,which contains no bullying.

Just harshly worded for the criminaly negligent to understand. And the willfully blind which is the rag taggle band of whats left of the once proud labour movement of scotland.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 02:23:29
#40 - Deep Puddle I get it why I am being attacked without cause. Your suffering from paranoid dellusions. Being attacked by dark forces.

Wait till the computer starts talking to you! BOOH!
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 03:03:09
It's an obvious truth but it has to be said, her nose is not in the trough. Let's beat her and her party with superior policies and not by attacks on her personally. Technically she broke the law but she's no crook.
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An Beal Bacht,

10/02/2008 03:03:57
Om Mani padme fcuk!
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An Beal Bacht,

10/02/2008 03:07:23
54 - Col. Blimp IV*, 10/02/2008 02:18:12;

As Dostoyevsky said - 2 + 2 is mathematics!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 03:14:57
#56 - I can appreciate your view but from where I am standing and have seen labour figures operate. She is going by the rule book allright. The one with a whole section devoted to brown envelopes and the "new cash", Directorships.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 03:17:43
Wendy Alexander asking for a less cynical politic is like the Yorkshire Ripper asking for more lenient rape sentencing , as he's cleaned up his act since he last got caught.
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Jamesg,

Western Australia 10/02/2008 03:31:39
Good to see the Labour is been held accountable for wrongly accepting a £950 donation from a businessmen in Jersey. Of course it is the illegal behaviour of the Labour leader as opposed to the sum which matters. The intensity surrounding this issue shows that democracy is alive and well in Scotland.

Here in Western Australia the amount of local government and state governmnet mis-dealings which has been publicly aired since I have lived here makes the Alexander issue look like a disagreement at a kiddies tea-party. Not that long ago we had the State labour premier jailed for corruption (charged with various offences for which he was sentenced to two years' imprisonment in 1990 and in 1997 he was sentenced to three years' jail for stealing $122,585 in campaign donations). Yet after all this he still remains prominent in political dealings in WA and still retains close relatiopships and influence with current labour politicians. Some of them (including top bureaucrats) are slowly falling like dominoes. It is quite literally the ‘wild politcal west’ out here.
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Yeti,

10/02/2008 03:33:20
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/34474/-I-will-have-Wendy-charged-

Not over quite yet then - maybe
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Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 03:45:56
AM2
No comments on the latest scandel involving your pal Wendy? Yet another criminal investigation??
Might be sub-judice though???
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Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 03:50:50
Maybe this next police investigation will burst the policing budget?? Was this why New Labour Sleaze and Corruption were against Alex budget last week????
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An Beal Bacht,

10/02/2008 04:05:29
62 - Yeti, 10/02/2008 03:33:20 writes:

"Not over quite yet then - maybe"

It's aw ower bar the shoutin!
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

10/02/2008 04:56:36
Now she was taking money from economic renewal projects for her own campaign's.

"Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament.

They attended two dinners organised by the nominally independent Scottish Industry Forum (SIF), held to promote the economic renewal of Renfrewshire, unaware that the money raised would effectively be used to help Alexander to be re-elected as MSP for Paisley North".

I wonder if she applied her Buddist tests to this?

She is a disgrace

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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

10/02/2008 04:58:48
They will just carry on and on unless something is done to stop them.

Anyone got Buddha's number?
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rawhide ,

Glasgow 10/02/2008 05:02:12
Wee wee Wendy bleats."Actually, the thing is that, goddammit, I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics," she declared.
The drone of a pathetic liar trying to seek sympathy.
God she makes me heave , puke.
The people of paisley dont want her either.
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

10/02/2008 05:35:12
She is not as poor as the people she was taking money away from in Renfrewshire to help her get the 60k salary plus expenses.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 10/02/2008 05:36:14
with a gob like hers the nose disnae staun a chance in the trough,
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

10/02/2008 05:36:16
Do people in Paisley vote for her?
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rawhide ,

Glasgow 10/02/2008 05:42:48
£40.000 of tax payers money given by wendy to COMPUTERS FOR LABOUR,to pay for services that are available FREE at holyrood.
You have no credability wendy you are a pathetic joke.
and a fcukin expensive one at that.
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Geoff,

sa 10/02/2008 06:33:48
Morning All-some serious insomnia amongst you! And it would appear, on this forum thus far, not much support for poor Wendy. Does that mean that Unionists are late risers?
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donald,

glasgow 10/02/2008 06:40:21
Will we see the Alexander sisters and Team Bendy chanting Hari Krishna and committing more Hari Kari in the Royal Mile? Will they swap their loyalist John Reid Orange sashes for Liberal Saffron goons?
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 07:17:13
Om Mani Pad me hum .......Om Mani Padme hum.......Om Mani Padme hum.......Om Mani Padme hum.......Om Man i Padme hum.......
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 07:25:48
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rame
Rama Rama Hare Hare
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 07:40:07

In Politics if thou would'st mix,
And mean thy fortunes be;
Bear this in mind,-be deaf and blind,
Let great folk hear and see.

Robert Burns
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Auckland Arab2,

10/02/2008 07:46:10
This is great. If she had resigned this would have all been behind Labour now but on it drags, now with new allegations in The Times. Just sit back and watch the show unfold. Dear oh dear.
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Stephen101,

Stupid Wendy 10/02/2008 07:51:53
"pointing out she earned far less now than she did when working in the private sector."

But of course she didn't last long in he private sector! From wikipedia "After her MBA she was then briefly a consultant for the international management consultancy Booz Allen Hamilton."

If Wendy is so bleedin brainy why does she not resign as long as she gets a safe Westminster seat. Grab the Holyrood pension. Get yer snout into a new set of troughs through representing the poor of Liverpool or Newcastle. Get caught again, resign and this time go for the MEP 'opportunity'.

Stack up the pensions on the way. You know it makes sense Wendy, you thieving crook.

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rawhide ,

Glasgow 10/02/2008 08:02:15
The unionists are awake but still talkin gibberish.
I think ciderman has been oan the white lightening.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/02/2008 08:13:59
There is politicians who survive and fight on, and those who want to act like children and run to the country when things are not going their way!
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Teamdroid,

10/02/2008 08:24:03
Wendy - "Alexander called for a less cynical style of politics, revealing that she considers Buddhist mantras before leading political attacks against opponents."

A truly laughable call - presumably trying to defend your own illegal donations, by claiming opponents did similarly in their campaigns (especially when one of them, Alex Neil, wasn't even campaigning!) isn't cynical?

Yet more Wendy sleaze in the Sunday Times today, I note.
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NBJT,

North Berwick 10/02/2008 08:28:55
I am the Labour Leader therefore I cannot do anything wrong!!!! What nonsense.

Message to Alex Salmond - Please, please go for an election and get rid of these whining Labour MSPs. They cant uccept that they are no longer in power.
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subrosa,

10/02/2008 08:48:33
# 42

Many thanks. I can manage that. Thought it might be a bit more complicated. :)
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cabrach loon,

inverness 10/02/2008 08:55:04
certainly not cleared / just not proven / how obscene to be represented by her! she will destroy herself and hopefully her brother and party before too long.
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haggis 10,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 09:34:01
Salmond Clean as a whistle
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 09:46:25
As a staunch nationalist I actually don't think Wendy's nose is in the trough. However, I think she sees financial opportunities that will advance her cause and grasps them. Therefore, it is the Labour Party whose nose is in the trough.

Re the interview - bizarre. This is a woman on the cusp. Couple of things jumped out:

"she even considers "Buddhist" values of truth and kindness before launching attacks against opponents"
Whit! Is this in there to soften her hard image?

"I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics"
And? Surely that's a reason for a nose to be IN the trough? Also she's been in politics a long time now and this is the most she's earned so the statement is obviously untrue. Finally, to use the word 'poorer' when her family income is quite likely over £100,000 is obscene and really puts New Labour values in perspective.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/02/2008 10:04:45
She can't help putting her foot in it every time she opens her mouth. And by the way Eddie Barnes, she has NOT been "cleared" by anyone. To suggest she has is pure spin.
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Phil C,

10/02/2008 10:13:25
'It's a fiasco – but my nose isn't in the trough'.. Said the woman with a snout!
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Le Drapeau Noir,

Gorgie Road 10/02/2008 10:25:45
Ma sides......this woman is clearly unhinged.Is there nothing the NHS can do for her??Ach just let the LABOUR party wallow in their misery.Cretins the lot of them!!!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 10:28:58
It's a muddle not a puddle.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 10:31:54
Ciderman. I take it junta HQ did a round robin to get the few remaining activists they left in Scotland to man the computers? Wheres that guy that runs SEPA? MMMMMMMMM, fishy.....

Hows about tony and Cherie Blair, Accepting nothing less than a private jet to travel and many hundreds of thosands to speak.

If that is the best you can come up with, then it is time to put the White Lightning down.
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Feenon,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 10:33:07
Shame the journo didn't address the root of Buddhism - cause and effect.

Cause - accept illegal money

Effect - bring self, party, judgement into ridicule; be out of a job (however poorly paid).
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 10:34:17
Ciderman

Misogynists? For attacking a woman who ADMITTED to breaking the law? Put aside your hatred of the SNP and take an objective look. If it had been Kerr or Gray who was Labour's leader and did this then the SNP would be attacking them just as much. It's about politics - not sex.
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sceptic,

10/02/2008 10:34:33
Seems you have to read the Times to get the news!
"WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate."
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 10:38:53
#97 - Ciderman - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3334740.ece

Any comments also on the 40,000! YES £40000. That Labour billed as an expesne , software that was freely available.

Or the £180,000 LAbour received to learn the rules, Guess that all just went into party coffers?
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Fabius Maximus,

10/02/2008 10:38:57
What a nasty, prurient, bunch of keich bum toley pie misogynists seem to dominate these posts!

I agree, she's made a mess, and she'll hsve to go, and Scottish Labour is damaged out of all proportion for her lax overseeing of her campaign. She must know that herself - her party in Scotland certainly does, and "senior labour officials" does not mean Gordon Brown, or any of Ms Alexander's friends, north or southe of the border.

What does it say about the kind of people you are that you so relish applying the boot to a woman who is so patently down?
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 10:45:14
#104 - Have you considered penning sob stories for Mills and Broon?

She has used position to engraciate herself into a first class seat on the gravy train. Thjis is not misogynism, It is RAGE!

RAGE because she preaches fighting for the poor , when the only person the people of paisley see is her fighting for what SHE can get for HER.

The rest of the complicet chimps of Scottish Labour are equally as guilty. The whole party is corrupt in it's money laundering activities, diversion of public funds for the purposes they were not intended for.


So being angry at corruption is not masogyny

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Just_Me,

moray 10/02/2008 10:45:41
I dont think labour have any one else in scotland who could be taken seriously as a leader.

If wendy ever wants any level of credibility though, she will have to be seen to unquestionably show a distinction between scottish labours policys for scotland as being more important to her than UK labours policys for the UK.

I do get the feeling that the year she has been given by her seniours is more for UK labour to find a replacement than for her to suceed!
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rawhide ,

Glasgow 10/02/2008 10:47:20
lovin it.
OH HAPPY DAYS.
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kimba,

10/02/2008 10:51:17
Would you lot be baying for Salmonds bloody if he had made the same mistake;I think not!
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 10:51:32
Ciderman

Nicola Sturgeon. Fiona Hyslop. 'nuff said.

Salmond's wife - absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps she simply doesn't like the limelight, or the general political scene - or is that not radical enough to fit into your idea that we all hate women? Stay off the cider - it's not good for you at this time of the day.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 10:53:24
#77 Bizarre post.

It may not have permeated through to your particular part of Forres, but “you people” in the form of the SNP already are the Scottish Government.

This happened in May 2007, following an election when more of the “Scottish people” voted for the SNP than voted for any other party.

Recent opinion polls suggest that support for the SNP has grown significantly since the May election, reflecting the fact that the “Scottish people” in general do not share your opinion of the inherent dangers of having an independence minded Scottish Government.

However, feel free to deny, deny, deny and bury your head in the sand as events unfold around you.
Scotland has moved on and left the generations of Labour corruption, complacency and forelock touching behind us.

Much like the modern German acceptance of the past evils of the Nazi regime, we accept with shame, that we tolerated the odious, criminal, corrupt, self-seeking, war mongering low-lifes who constitute the current Labour Party for far too long.

J’accuse you of attempting to perpetrate the Ancien Regime practices of brown envelopes, cash for peerages, underhand dealings, sleaze, illegal wars, lies, deceit, spin, misrepresentation and fraud.

This is the common perception of the Labour Party in Scotland.

Are you, and other Labourites happy with this perception?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 10:54:45
WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate.

The development put her under renewed pressure just days after the commission had ruled that it was not in the public interest to report her to police over a £950 illegal donation from Paul Green, a Jersey-based businessman, to her 2007 campaign for the party leadership.

Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament.

They attended two dinners organised by the nominally independent Scottish Industry Forum (SIF), held to promote the economic renewal of Renfrewshire, unaware that the money raised would effectively be used to help Alexander to be re-elected as MSP for Paisley North.

Yesterday Alex Neil, a Scottish National party MSP, said he would refer the matter to the commission. Strathclyde police have been asked by a different complainant to investigate whether deception took place.

Sir Alistair Graham, former chairman of the Commons committee on standards in public life, said that if the allegations were true she should consider resigning. “It is fairly fraudulent to invite people as a paying guest to discuss one subject, when the real purpose is to collect money for a political party,” he said.

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portonian,

falkirk 10/02/2008 11:00:37
overpaid as a politician and ergo overpaid in the private sector after this she should stay at home and look after the house but send the kids to play school so they can get some moral education
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AyrshireScot™,

10/02/2008 11:05:44
A lot of what Wendy says is true: many people with high powered careers take a drop in salary to enter politics. You tell em, girl! The bile of the Nats' witchhunt just shows their desperation to hang on to what they've got!

#109 kimba: Salmond's a chancer who's just waiting to be found out! I used to be a supporter, but now I have joined with mainstream opinion in Scotland and become the voice of Ayrshire, Scotland and the EU!
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:07:12
109
Stupid question:
If you had a brain you would know the combined Unionists would not only pursue this but it would have gone to court!

Two things
1) Local radio report Wendy has been told she has 1 year to prove she is capable or OUT SHE GOES.Might as well not bother going Wendy!We already know the answer to that one .Who do they replace her with is the question.

2)A pensioner is seeking to bring a prosecution (but I doubt they will grant him legal aid of course) It would not be in the public interest to allow ordinary voters access to the law in case they have a brain and achieve what they set out to do.ie achieve justice.

Remember Wendy can only be successfully prosecuted if she is guilty,so Labour can have no objections to her clearing her name.
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Toom,

10/02/2008 11:07:58
' "Actually, the thing is that, goddammit, I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics," she declared. '

I'm surprised the photograph doesn't show her clutching a little puppy with a bandage on its paw.

Please, don't do us any favours, hen. Do feel free to shuffle off to the trough of the private sector and take your sanctimony with you. On the way, grab a dictionary and look up the definition of 'vindicated'. Then look at the Electoral Commission judgement and explain how you reckon you've been vindicated. Words now mean what New Labour spin decides they mean.

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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 11:08:27
Fabius
"What does it say about the kind of people you are that you so relish applying the boot to a woman who is so patently down?"
It is self inflicted through arrogance and a disregard for the laws we are all subject to. As JuanKerr noted, there is an element of rage as well. Rage at her repeatedly insulting our intelligence.
BTW, Ciderman, I can hardly be referred to as a mysogynist as I am a woman.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:08:50
114 The voice of Ayrshire Scotland and the EU.


Well at least you are not arrogant
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 11:12:26
114
Identity theft is illegal.
Oh wait, I forgot, as a member of the Liebour party you don't have to abide by the law.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:16:30
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Under our PR system its almost impossible to be elected as a majority party which is why Labour and Lib Dem were in coalition for the firat eight years of this parliament.The SNP are doing what the other two already did.
Just for the record the SNP has had women in prominent positions for its entire existence.
You are talking crap
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BK,

Cyberspace 10/02/2008 11:17:51
Wendy Goddammit Alexander has obviously been taking lssonds in gutter language from Jackie F*cking Brilliant Baillie! And does her father know she has renounced Calvinism to become a Buddhist?
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kimba,

10/02/2008 11:21:58
morris. I was talking about people on this thread,not politicians.
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 11:22:14
Ciderman
Upon careful review of the foregoing posts, I can find no evidence of "hate".
A great deal of disgust, a modicum of glee at the Times article which gives hope that she will finally be held accountable for actions, but no "hate'.
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 11:22:15
ciderman

Repeat after me 'Men are bad, men are bad (but only if they are nationalists) men are bad, aaaaand rest'

And in relation to your assertion that the SNP has 'token women or two' - about a quarter of SNP MSPs are women, which is about the same fraction as Labour MPs at Westminster. A good proportion in politics, although we are aiming for more. Who would you rather have - one Nicola Sturgeon, or four Pauline McNeills? Again, 'nuff said.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:23:59
If you really want to know about Wendy and her carreer read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Alexander#Career
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jdships,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:25:39

"Actually, the thing is that, goddammit, I am poorer now than I have been in 20 years. I earned more in the private sector than I ever earned in politics,"

Ah puir wee soul trying to defend the indefensible !
Seriously .
Is this the person I would vote for to be First Minister and therfore to "lookfter " my affairs ?
Sorry I think not !

As each day passes she becomes more of a caricture politician and with that the chances of NL regaining power go further down the pan !!.

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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 11:25:52
128 ciderman

They make up one third of the front bench.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:27:02
124

I know
It says so.

I repeat what a stupid question and whats even funnier is you cannot see why its a stupid question.

Now thats dumb !
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 11:29:56
Ciderman

You have managed to hijack this thread with your foolishness. It is time to get back on topic. Unless. of course, it is your purpose to have the comments closed on this article.
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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 10/02/2008 11:33:00
Im sorry for sounding a little lost but I thought that Wendy's election fund amounted to 17,000 pounds raised to promote her as the new leader of Scottish Fatcats, I also seem to remember there were three candidates but the other two were told not to run against wendy in the race for leadership, some democracy that, I also cant actually recall wendy actually having to fight for the post but was handed the position by fat cat boss broon, so where did the other 16,050 pounds go to that was raised? and were these other eejits who handed thier monies over to a criminal organisation ever identified??

Two things that stick in my craw as they say 1)if that were you or I then the tax man would have us up in front of the beak before the money had cleared in our bank accounts and 2)All the bloody nulab supporters who still try and defend this corrupt leadership which is mearly a puppet on a string no wait thats to unkind to wendy, more like a lapdog being petted by its master for being a good girl.

The country as a whole should call for a general election and get shot of this bunch of to**ers once and for all, this once great country is now the doormat and dumping ground for Europe and its Blair and Broon that have allowed that to happen, why cant they simply admit its all a total f*ck up and do several decent things, 1) resign immediatly 2)stop f*cking about and get out of Afghanistan and Iraq 3)get shot of failed asylum seekers, stick em on the first boat back to where ever the hell they came from
4) get rid of all your stealth taxes and retaxes and vat and all the other total p*sh you have brought to the table.
I for one would love to see brown and blair tried in a court for crimes against humanity, Blair for EU President, the day that happens Scotland must get the f*ck out of Europe.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/02/2008 11:33:02
#115 AyrshireScotâ„¢,

Morning Fakey, I see you and your bitter little band of the Fakeyjakey Ciderman and the KIMBA still have your collective heads rammed up your bahookeys.
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 11:34:59
Scottish Labour......The car crash that just keeps on giving!

Wendy's toast godammit! No wonder she's flirting with Buddhism. It's the only way she'll be able to reincarnate her career!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/02/2008 11:35:21
#104 fabius

The reason I am applying the boot is because she is an arrogant and unrepentant shyster. I see little sign of her being "patently down". Am I wrong?
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Burd Tina,

10/02/2008 11:37:29
126 ciderman

"What is impossible is that the SNP will get the votes"

It certainly seems to be impossible for Labour to get enough votes to be the majority party in the Scottish Parliament. They needed a coalition for 8 years, and now their support is getting less every day.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:37:51
128

Why do you think we have a system of PR like the one we do at Holyrood but not (as yet) at Westmimster.
YOU SAID IT YOURSELF :

The SNP cannot achieve a victory without reaching 50% of the vote which would give them victory in a referendum anyway!Labour Tory and LIb Dem meanwhile can achieve government with perhaps as little as 34% of the vote!

You do understand that obviously! (well you should )
You either agree the system is worth having or not.It cant be both depending upon which parlament its employed at.

Labour think they have been clever.
The word is DISINGENUOUS.
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 11:41:40
135 ciderman

"You are not trying anything because you are nothing in the SNP, oily Salmond does even know you exist"
And you know that how? You know nothing about me at all. Never argue a point unless you know the answer.

"You try to make out that the SNP is a mainstream political party when it is not"
It clearly is you numpty.

Anyway, won't be answering any more of your posts and I urge others to follow suit.
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 11:42:12
#127 morris

If you really want to know about morris and his career read this


http://www.thepigsite.com/pighealth/contents/Fig.11-3.gif
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:43:39
140 Its a pretty pathetic comment!

Jackie Baillie is slimmer of the year I suppose?

If she is it must be NEXT YEAR.

This is a serious adult debate, either participate or dont.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:45:52
142

It says far more about the level you are on than it will ever say about moi.

Childish but then maybe its par for the course.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:46:09
Poverty is of course a relative concept.

Wendy, with her income of around £100,000 per annum, may well be “poorer” than she has ever been, and as such, I’m sure the Paisley voters will take this into consideration at the next election.

No doubt the residents of Ferguslie Park will empathise with a MSP, encumbered with two small children, who has to juggle having a full time job, with having to bring up her children on a measly income of only around £2,000 per week.

Wendy obviously deserves much more, after all she has a huge intellect, knows a lot about giant caterpillars, and is seemingly a person of great honesty and integrity.

Wendy for President!

Har de har de Har :P


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AyrshireScot™,

10/02/2008 11:46:42
#134 Oscar: you represent a minority viewpoint in scotland and should show some respect for those of us who speak for what people in scotland really want. If you really had your finger on the pulse of where it's at then you wouldn't support independence, full stop. Anyone with an extremist viewpoint should surely adopt a softly softly approach if they really want people to listen to them.

Listen and learn from the voice of Ayrshire and far far beyond!
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­Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/02/2008 11:54:52
A fiasco and a fiddle? Is a fiasco worse than a muddle?

Put her in charge of the budget anyway, she is the best leader in Scottish politics.
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 11:55:45
I like to complain about SNP posters being abusive.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 11:58:21
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Nikostratos,
10/02/2008 07:25:48
"Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rame
Rama Rama Hare Hare"

Harry Ramsden Harry Ramsden
Harry Ramsden Harry Harry
Harry Ramsden Harry Ramsden
Harry Ramsden Fish & Chips.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 11:59:24
146

We do show respect for what people want.
We hold elections, and the majority opinion is upheld.
This happens in all democracies to one extent or another.
If that were not true we would not still be in the UK.

We, are not the party who would deny Scotland a referendum, to establish what has never been officially measured ,ever,and that is the true demand for independence.Only the demand for devolution was allowed to be asked !

We fully accept that the majority may well favour the further devolved Mk II version of Scotland.We are democrats.

We do not agree with it BUT WE DO NOT DENY YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY SO and abide by the majority wish provided it is unambiguous.

You have no room for complaint.
Scotland cannot achieve independence unless she complies with international law requirements.
If you are unaware of this, I fail to see how advertising that fact will help your cause?
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MtnKat,

10/02/2008 11:59:32
#146 Identity Thief
Their governance is proving light years ahead of the regime we were formerly saddled with.
"Softly, softly"? I should say not.
Rejoice that we finally have able advocates.
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NovaScotia™,

10/02/2008 11:59:36
#146 Ayrshire Scot: quite right! These Nats will wade in all guns blazing! If they were a little less blase and willing to listen to others, they might actually do their case some good for a change!

#149 Ciderman: quite right! Just watch Wendy's substance win the day in the end: it's only a matter of time before Salmond is found out. He is a Westminster loving politician (and a hypocrite on such) who only returned up here so that he could go on one huge ego trip once he saw the opportunity, what with Labour's mid term unpopularity nationally.
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:00:52
153 I wish I hadn't encouraged the unionist screen name hijackers earlier, now I just look like a fiasco.
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Methil Lover,

10/02/2008 12:01:03
Perhaps I'm not clever enough, or am missing something about poor Wendy's plight?

Why on earth did she need donations to run an leadership election campaign if she was returned unopposed?

Where did the money go? What was it used for?

Let's move from donations (permissible or not) to the mechanics of becoming a leader in today's Scottish Labour Party. Labour are the ones who started all this transparency in political donations so let them abide by it. Where is the trough that Wendy refers to, who feed from it? Did she really make that remark about Alex Salmond? Why did she get probation when she is supposed to be doing Community Service? If she's a Bhuddist why doesn't she just say so? If she can manage to keep her mouth shut for a time will this reduce her tendency to develop as a political liability?

I don't think she'll last a year.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 12:01:21
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I admit I joined in .
You started it sunshine!

Its there in chronologoicial order for ALL TO WITNESS
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 12:01:28
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Nikostratos,
10/02/2008 07:40:07

"In Politics if thou would'st mix,
And mean thy fortunes be;
Bear this in mind,-be deaf and blind,
Let great folk hear and see." Robert Burns
********************************************

Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and cutting hair. George Burns
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:01:40
156 She couldn't get near the trough for Jackie Baillie. She had to make do with fiddling and fiasco instead.
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:03:30
159 Morris, just because I always enter any thread with some vile personal abuse about SNP supporters or politicians, including my repeated disgusting comments about Alex Salmond's wife, does not mean I am a raging hypocritical moron who has no right to complain about abuse!!!!
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 12:07:35
140 Ciderman

Cheap shot, but funny all the same.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/02/2008 12:07:41
Does anyone know how this latest story came to light? If its true she is well and truly goosed.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 12:08:47
158

I asked that same question.Apparently she had a video made to tell everybody what a superior intellect and fabulous orator she was etc.


Id love to see a copy !
There must have been a lot of copies to spend the thousands she collected is all I can say.

The videos would appear to be money well and truly spent since she has now been given one year to get her act together or out she goes.Says it all really
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/02/2008 12:10:15
#146 AyrshireScotâ„¢,

What you and your merry band of deranged muppets fail to recognise is that the SNP government is the WILL of the Scottish people.

The electorate of Scotland saw through the vile lies perpetrated by dependence junkies like yourself and voted for a fresh untainted political party, who have at their head and heart one aim, working for the Scottish people.

You and your crew of dependence junkies peddle only tired hatreds and outdated ideas of governance.

Your days of unquestioned power are over, but fear not there is room for you in the brave new Scotland, there are many windows needing a good licking.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 12:11:03
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­Ciderman 542000,
10/02/2008 12:00:52
153 "I wish I hadn't encouraged the unionist screen name hijackers earlier, now I just look like a fiasco."

Ciderman. Ayrshire Scot and Nova Scotia have been faked. The whole thread's becoming a nonsense.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/02/2008 12:12:53
Cider said:

"I like to complain about SNP posters being abusive."

Who wrote all this then:

"They make up one third of the front bench. Only because Salmond takes up the other 2/3."

and..

" It is a party of the country where it's members ride around all day in old Land Rovers, with a dog in the back to help bother sheep. Where the men talk to other men over fences and demand that their wives have their "denner" on the table before they go "ben the hoose" to fill out their subsidy claims."

and..

"Why does oily Salmond's wife not accompany him on his duties? Is it because of her age"

CIDERMAN WROTE ALL OF THIS.

If you had any integrity in the first place, it's been obliterated now.

And one other thing. It's a bit rich for team Labour to talk about Social Justice and Child Poverty when they oversaw everything in Scotland since I was born. The SNP have not been in power for even a year! JUSTICE is not a word that sits comfortably with Labour at all.


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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 12:14:47
One can hijack ones own screen name of course.

That would apply equally across the board .

Ill prove it if you like,but that would just tell everybody that you cannot work out how.
I would therefore not expect any takers .
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:15:35
"GORDON BROWN has delivered another blow to Wendy Alexander's Labour leadership by downgrading and seizing control of her plan to boost Holyrood's powers.

The prime minister has made it clear Alexander's proposal for a Constitutional Commission should be reduced to either a review''or a working party''.

Herald

Quite right too. Don' want another fiasco.
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:16:28
167 Oscar

rubbish, just because the SNP won the election does make them the will of the people. May the fiasco be with you!
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:17:38
169. Are you trying to infer I am a moronic hypocrite who engages in disgusting abuse of peoples' spouses and then complains about abuse! Are you saying I am a fiasco???????
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TommyKaye,

UK 10/02/2008 12:18:25
ANOTHER SCANDAL BREAKS!

Labour chief in new funding row


WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate.

The development put her under renewed pressure just days after the commission had ruled that it was not in the public interest to report her to police over a £950 illegal donation from Paul Green, a Jersey-based businessman, to her 2007 campaign for the party leadership.

Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament.

They attended two dinners organised by the nominally independent Scottish Industry Forum (SIF), held to promote the economic renewal of Renfrewshire, unaware that the money raised would effectively be used to help Alexander to be re-elected as MSP for Paisley North.

Yesterday Alex Neil, a Scottish National party MSP, said he would refer the matter to the commission. Strathclyde police have been asked by a different complainant to investigate whether deception took place.

Sir Alistair Graham, former chairman of the Commons committee on standards in public life, said that if the allegations were true she should consider resigning. “It is fairly fraudulent to invite people as a paying guest to discuss one subject, when the real purpose is to collect money for a political party,” he said.

Yesterday Labour gave conflicting accounts of the nature of the SIF. Lord Foulkes, a Labour peer, said that the forum was “never billed as politically neutral”. A Labour spokesman said the forum was separate from the party.
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 12:18:28
#144 morris


I have reported you the Health and safety executive(not devolved)

under the Chronic fatigue syndrome

http://www.hse.gov.uk/chronicfatigue/index.htm

As reading your posts has this effect upon us poor people who mistakenly read your missives.
And once again whilst reading (by mistake) i have become overcome with fatigue due to the tedium which you inject into you inane ramblings. Leading me to fall and bash my head on my workstation requiring me to have large bandage wrapped about my head. Consequently i now look like some Mad Marajah from Marrakesh
they will be in contact with you shortly...serves you right.

#151



Harry Ramsden Harry Ramsden
Harry Ramsden Harry Harry
Harry Ramsden Harry Ramsden
Harry Ramsden Fish & Chips.

more my mantra.......haven't had any breakfast yet..except a chocolate muffin..wouldn't share that with morris he's too greedy would eat the lot he would.....must go stripping wallpaper today.....when i get off this danged pc.........

Oh me aching head...damn you morris
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:20:43
174. So what, just another fiasco!
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GMCD,

dndy 10/02/2008 12:21:21
The SNPites will continue their cries of sleaze but they only are building their own funeral pyre...the standards now set are so high that it is just a matter of time before one of their own is "sleazy"

In the run of things Wendy was ineficient and perhaps sloppy she did not do favours for her supporters as has been suggested for wee Lec....
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 12:22:02
Niko

I remember a certain howyoudoingboy mentioning he was stripping wallpaper. No relation?
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 12:22:46
177

PUT DOWN THE GLUE.
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­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 12:25:37
"Yesterday Labour gave conflicting accounts of the nature of the SIF. Lord Foulkes, a Labour peer, said that the forum was “never billed as politically neutral”. A Labour spokesman said the forum was separate from the party. "

Next some SNP fool will tell us that the last two statements in the Sunday Times article are contradictory - clearly they cannot tell the difference bewteen a fiddle and a fiasco!!
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/02/2008 12:29:37
173 Cider

I don't need to infer anything.

You wrote it all.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 12:31:25
172

You will understand the will of the people the day after the General Election TRUST ME!

Labour OUT in both parliaments !

The Labour Party will capitulate North of the Rio Tweed.
I assume of course that nothing will come of a Lib Dem Mps attempt to have twenty miles of Northumberland returned to Scotland.What thats all about is a mystery .

Its publicity certainly.It cannot possibly succeed because it would strengthen Scotlands claim on the OIL even more than the current one, if it achieved anything !
I've heard of gerrymandering boundary changes,but cross border? Now thats a new one!
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Dane Bramage SNP­ Insider,

107 McDonald Road 10/02/2008 12:33:02
185. PS - I am NOT Ciderman, and am not so ludircous as to log on under another name and "reply" to my own posts! Any resemblance between Ciderman's attacks on politicians spouse's and my own is a pure coincidence.

I am not a fiasco!
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Dane Bramage SNP­ Insider,

10/02/2008 12:34:55
Dammit, why do we SNP Insiders not get typed scripts to read off when phoning journalists and posting on here, the way Labour people do!! It would make my posts so much better!!

"WENDY ALEXANDER'S supporters have planned another orchestrated "ring- round" to the media in a desperate bid to prop up her flagging leadership.

A leaked Shadow Cabinet minute has declared that the widely ridiculed tactic of reading a pre-prepared "loyalty script" to selected journalists has been "successful".

Now a new script has been prepared in which her MSPs will read out typed notes on why Labour did not support the SNP's budget."
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 12:35:07
187

Whatever....
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 12:48:31
188

That could well be , but if its only the existing supporters who will be impressed by it,and they vote Labour anyway, then I question how its been a success?
If by success they mean it conned the people who already support them,then fair enough.It's not how I would define success however.
I would say when its mostly the existing support who still agree with you that is clearly abject failure !
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/02/2008 12:52:28
190 Dane said:

"I repudiate post # 187 as my own. The attacks that I initiate are not on the family of the SNP leader, but on the leader himself.
Salmond has his nose more firmly in the gravy trough than any other UK politician, Unionist or Nationalist. Salmond is a hypocrit of the highest order and a disgrace to Scotland."

You take a high and mighty stance, distancing yourself from other Labour supporters, but still manage a degree of abuse without explanation.

A posh fiasco.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 12:56:18
190

Then justify your assertions instead of just making wild accusations .

Any idiot can critcise. Those who can justify that criticism are on a higher level.Those who cannot are lower than the garden worm.

If you have justification then tell us what form it takes.
If you dont(and thats whats coming over loud and clear) then you say far more about yourself than Salmond who will possibly injure himself with laughter at reading this, along with pretty well everybody else.

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anakin,

anywhere west of the Hootsmon and east of the Dail 10/02/2008 13:03:02
"And in a wide-ranging Scotland on Sunday interview..."

From the Daily Ragg to the Hootsmon poor Wendygate trys to wind its weary way to salvation.

Wendy; somebody has to tell you that you are the BEST thing that has happened to this nation of ours.

Just you kjeep it up my dear.
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shivago8,

livingston 10/02/2008 13:03:45
It,s Wendy that is the fiasco.she is dead in the water.When she opens her mouth to speak and it twists and bends,does that not tell you something.
She is an embarrassment to our country and if she does not go voluntarily she should be shoved.
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 13:07:22
190 brain damaged wrote:

"Salmond has his nose more firmly in the gravy trough than any other UK politician, Unionist or Nationalist. Salmond is a hypocrit of the highest order and a disgrace to Scotland."

Evidence?
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 13:07:32
After this fiasco(her words)how is Ms. Alexander expected to deal with Salmond and his formidable SNP front bench team?

Ms. Alexander has proved that, by walking away from office once before, the Labour shambles during the Scottish Budget debate, and the illegal donations inquiry, she is incapable of leading the Labour Party
in Scotland!
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 13:13:58
NMIL, 194. lol :-))
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 13:14:13
200
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anakin,

anywhere wets f the Hootsmon 10/02/2008 13:14:43
Hey Dane Damaged (decency forbids me to post what I had down initially); are you for real or has the medicine ran oot! I've read a few brammers in ma day but your posts have to be a wind up. You can not be serious. Yer havin' a larff aren't ye. You and your ilk are the reason we are left with Wendy et al and the reason WE SHALL BE A NATION AGAIN.

But like Wendy, just you keep it coming. You are a Godsend to all decent Scots.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:16:20
How dare wendy say she is poor. as for her assertion that she "has" to get her hair done. My heart bleeds.
She should try telling that to mothers who work in her constituency and who cant find the money never mind the time to run to the hairdressers every week because they are working in low paid jobs.
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Neil McCart,

Cheltenham 10/02/2008 13:20:27
We only have this lady's word that she didn't have her "nose in the trough". It would be interesting to know exactly where all these thousands of pounds went. Was some of it syphoned off into individual pockets? Only a proper investigation will get to the bottom of it.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:24:13
col you got the 200.
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mr angry,

ayrshire 10/02/2008 13:24:36
Due to the amount of morons posting here, these forums are becoming pointless. Filled with puerile juvenile drivel. Moderators , get a grip and cut these idiots off.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 13:24:56
198

She is capable of leading them into the abyss possibly.
Few doubt that.Her opinion poll rating is a joke!
She has already shown what she has to offer and Salmond and Sturgeon will eat her alive. They have already had a good lick !The main course has still to be served.
Wendy would be well advised to find herself a job or look after her kids.She has no future in politics or any public body, The damage is done and she is a reminder every time she is seen or heard.
She is in short a liability and a recruiting sergeant for the SNP.
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The Gillie,

esbjerg 10/02/2008 13:25:37
Not in the trough- dream on Wendy your problems aren't over yet.
Here is a link to a Scottish Sunday Express article. Apparently an ex journalist is applying for legal aid to take a private prosecution against WA. If this is refused then a fighting fund will be opened to raise funds for a private prosecution. Already next week he plans to raise the matter with The European ombudsman and lodge an official complaint.
Mark Hirst a researcher in the Scottish parliament is referring the forces failure to investigate to the the police complaints commission after a complaint to The strathclyde police which he made in November has not been investigated.
Although i still do not expect to see charges brought at least this will show the Scottish public once and for all how deep labour corruption in this country runs.
Link: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/34474/-I-will-have-Wendy-charged-
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 13:25:56
31
This might help?
http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmlbeginner/
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 13:30:39
208

They don't work Saturdays. They come in later on Sundays. It's a drivelfest.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:41:43
well as you know col someone who shall remain nameless got into a big argument with me the other night i then the next day tried to tell everyone the story of the night before and et viola thread meltdown. The scotsman as you may be aware does not like people to say anything nasty about it. I am actually suprised post 21 is still there. Good for deep puddle keeping his posts on file. My harddrive would be screaming at me if i kept every post i ever posted on here. I have now been moderated so many times i cant whatever way i put it in get the M so have just included like you roman numerals on the end for the amount of times i have been moderated as karin.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:46:43
208 what is the point of the forum?
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:51:41
208 Am i to assume then that no one actually knows what the point of the forum is. so you are in fact complaining about something but have no idea what you are complaining about.

i was never aware that the forums actually had a point for them to be pointles. As far as i was aware it was just a way to get registered online readers for the scotsman to boost its reader numbers so that they could claim to advertisers they ahd x number of readers.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:53:03
216 probs col that was a guesstimate right enough the xx its round about that.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:54:29
216 col are you in the piano bar
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 13:55:42
219 oooh watch yourself the pointless police will get you. Apparently we arent allowed to post anything that they dont like.
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SINGAPOREAN,

stonehaven 10/02/2008 13:57:35
She may be worse off financially as a politician than she was before; but she sure won't be well paid when she's out of politics next time round. Will she be elligible for the dole? Or will she have to manage on her MSP pension?
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 14:02:05
What I find particularly pudding headed is that Labour
could think that Wendy can recover from this!
They probably do not, but cannot admit this publicly,well not yet anyway.

She does more damage by staying, than by going ,long term.That suits the SNP just fine.
I very much doubt that Wendy can even walk the streets now, without being ridiculed .I don't agree with it, but there's no doubt that it will happen.
Who in their right mind would voluntarily do that?

If they do show her any respect,its only until she leaves, and they will ridicule her behind her back.
Her own party want her out,but so they can throw their hat in the ring as leader probably, or save their own gravy train skins.

Westminster will impose another replacement upon Holyrood Labour ,which tells all of them what they should already know.
They think they are a Joke in Westmonster.
No prizes for guessing why!
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11+failed,

the pans 10/02/2008 14:03:58
Is that a wind up 222?

Hilarious! You couldn't make it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Alexander#Career

"After her stormy resignation from Jack McConnell's Cabinet in 2002 after revelations of her drinking on duty and urinating in a street , to which a chaffeur witnessed. she was a visiting professor at the Strathclyde Business School. She later married Professor Brian Ashcroft and now has two children.She was fired from the Industry portfolio in 2002 , following the submission of a parliament workers report regarding a car stopping and the occupant urinating in a public place whilst inebriated.She has a regular column in the Daily Record, the main Labour supporting tabloid."
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11+failed,

the pans 10/02/2008 14:07:27
Who in the Labour Party started this Wendygate? Presumably we shall know when the fight for her successor begins.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 14:08:00
Goddammit Wendy says!,only a fool would use this sort of terminology. This is a disgruntled leader chirping her way up a gum tree and one has to hastily add, not my gum tree.

Wendy is a shambles and the sleaze that surrounds her smells worse that a Pikora factory in south Wales. I am hyperventilating because i have just seen a big fat juicy Wabbit being scoffed by Andy Kerr, Who ate all the Wabbits? you fat swine.! god dam it i say!!
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 14:08:52
226 errm no its not a wind up why do you think peeople call her wendy puddles alexander
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 14:11:13
what was 32
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 14:11:16
229 X rated Karin.
I call her "Lushes"
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 14:18:49
231 good one. moi, x rated never. Im a good girl. Well i must be havent been moderated yet.
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karin xx,

10/02/2008 14:19:14
col good song liked that
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Joe Mellon,

Lodeve, France 10/02/2008 14:21:52
The issue is NOT whether Alexander is enjoying a champagne and truffles lifestyle (tho she apparently isn't doing badly), it is whether she took money illegally: and she did.

There is a law of strict liability related to political donations, meaning "I didn't know", or "There was no bad faith" is no defense...far less "I didn't use it to live the high life".

This law was passed after public outcry at the "bung" culture prevelant in British politics.

Then someone is caught red handed....

BUT: there is a protocol (with no formal legal standing) that politicians wont be prosecuted unless their mates (the electoral commission) give the go ahead.

Can I have a protocol that I can only be prosecuted if my mate Bill says its Ok? It that the rule of law?

Who else but politicians could get away with it? Who else but politicians would claim this as "vindication".

Britain is a banana constitutionless monarchy, which has suspended the rule of law.

(Breaking news: the GBP 12,000 taken from unsuspecting businessmen for Alexanders MSP campaign, who thought it was for initiatives to revitalise the Renfrewshire economy: so much for "concern for the people")
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 14:34:46
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendied

[bold]SAVE WENDIED WIKIPEDIA ARE TRYING TO DELETE THE WORD FROM EXISTENCE!

CLICK TALK! to protest
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weh,

10/02/2008 14:43:53
FOR HEAVENS SAKE! WHY IS IT ONLY IN ENGLISH NEWSPAPERS?? IS THERE SOMETHING INTRINSICALLY WRONG WITH JOURNALISM IN SCOTLAND??


ANOTHER SCANDAL BREAKS!

Labour chief in new funding row


WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate.

The development put her under renewed pressure just days after the commission had ruled that it was not in the public interest to report her to police over a £950 illegal donation from Paul Green, a Jersey-based businessman, to her 2007 campaign for the party leadership.

Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament.

They attended two dinners organised by the nominally independent Scottish Industry Forum (SIF), held to promote the economic renewal of Renfrewshire, unaware that the money raised would effectively be used to help Alexander to be re-elected as MSP for Paisley North.

Yesterday Alex Neil, a Scottish National party MSP, said he would refer the matter to the commission. Strathclyde police have been asked by a different complainant to investigate whether deception took place.

Sir Alistair Graham, former chairman of the Commons committee on standards in public life, said that if the allegations were true she should consider resigning. “It is fairly fraudulent to invite people as a paying guest to discuss one subject, when the real purpose is to collect money for a political party,” he said.

Yesterday Labour gave conflicting accounts of the nature of the SIF. Lord Foulkes, a Labour peer, said that the forum was “never billed as politically neutral”. A Labour spokesman said the forum was separate from the party.
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The Gillie,

esbjerg 10/02/2008 14:45:53
Your nose is so deep in the trough Wendy that good law abinding pigs are going hungry because they can't get there daily swill. Here is an article in todays Times online. The link follows after this cut and paste:)
WENDY ALEXANDER, the Scottish Labour leader, is facing an investigation by the Electoral Commission into a claim that she channelled £12,000 through a Labour front organisation to fund her constituency office. The police have also been asked to investigate.

The development put her under renewed pressure just days after the commission had ruled that it was not in the public interest to report her to police over a £950 illegal donation from Paul Green, a Jersey-based businessman, to her 2007 campaign for the party leadership.

Businessmen, including a Scottish Conservative party fundraiser, claim they were misled into contributing to her office in the run-up to the 2003 election to the Scottish parliament.

They attended two dinners organised by the nominally independent Scottish Industry Forum (SIF), held to promote the economic renewal of Renfrewshire, unaware that the money raised would effectively be used to help Alexander to be re-elected as MSP for Paisley North.

Yesterday Alex Neil, a Scottish National party MSP, said he would refer the matter to the commission. Strathclyde police have been asked by a different complainant to investigate whether deception took place.

Sir Alistair Graham, former chairman of the Commons committee on standards in public life, said that if the allegations were true she should consider resigning. “It is fairly fraudulent to invite people as a paying guest to discuss one subject, when the real purpose is to collect money for a political party,” he said.

Yesterday Labour gave conflicting accounts of the nature of the SIF. Lord Foulkes, a Labour peer, said that the forum was “never billed as politically neutral”. A Labour spokesman said the forum was separate from the party.



http://www.timesonl
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 14:48:08
235
LOL.But edit the spelling.
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Alberto.,

10/02/2008 14:57:36
In all the statements by Ms Alexander in this 'fiasco' the only truthfull one would seem to be that there is 'trough' - I wonder how she knows (nose!)

Fronm the result the Electoral Commission have arrived at - presumably on the Political bus, having the nerve to make a decision that should come from a much higher authority, at least in any Country that calls itself a Democracy!

Surely their involvement in this and other similar type of 'Political' arrangements can be nothing more than that of a 'Lackey' classification and should know their place in the heirarchy, otherwise, and I feel sure most of the electorate will see their involvement only as an attempt at cover up for the 'Political' set, as it suits the occasions as they arise!

Cannot help thinking such a body needs to be 'disbanded' and in the current 'Alexander' fiasco, be 'investigated' by the Police for witholding information of a possible crime from the relevant authority!

Unless, what is now being said 'Loud and Clear' to the electorate 'Politicians cannot commit an offence! - which would seem to sum up the current aspect of this situation!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 15:00:56
http://tinyurl.com/2dcnst


SAVE WENDIED!!!!!! OBJECT NOW

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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 15:05:29
#238 Conana - I thought that was the spelling?

Ak weel........
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 15:05:42
239
Hiya Spook.
As one trough empties another one fills.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 15:06:06
#238 Conan - I thought that was the spelling?

Ack weel........

I need to empty the fag ash out this keyboard
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weh,

10/02/2008 15:16:21
YET MORE SLEAZE!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nmps110.xml
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:19:05
247 brain damaged wrote:

"The only individual in Scottish politics with his snout in the trough is oily Salmond"

Second time I've asked for one iota of evidence. It wasn't forthcoming the last time. Pretty sure it won't be this time either.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 15:21:13
juan its bleeding annoying that isnt it.
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 15:21:38
Wendy Alexander is embarassing herself. It seems the whole point of this story is to say Alex Salmond is not corrupt - presumably with the intention of trying to emotionally blackmail him into reciprocating and saying publically Wendy Alexander is not corrupt.

Her comments on her salary are aimed at the stupidity of the average ape the SNP/Labour like to fight over for votes. Anyone with any rational understands that the reason MPs are paid so much (what WA call poverty) is so that they are well-off enough to be able to refuse a bribe or "donation" from rich men trying to buy influence. WA guilty as charged.

She really makes me angry. She is fooling no-one with any modicom of sense, but sadly the majority of Scots are thick in 2008 and may well buy it.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 15:21:47
and if your wondering why my name is changed again i forgot my password
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 15:23:09
247# Dane

Yet more vitriolic delusional drivel from you then!
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:24:20
Brain damaged

Still waiting!
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:28:18
Brain damaged

And the wait goes on ...
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:34:32
Brain damaged

... and on ...
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 15:35:40
254
According to his address, he's in the Hopetoun, getting wellied.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 15:38:24
259 your not still waiting are you? would you like me come back periodically and dust the cobwebs off you?
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:38:45
Brain damaged

You're not George Foulkes are you?
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:39:45
261

Go for it. Although I hope you have a big duster, cos he doesn't have an answer.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 15:40:49
259 juan could help too hes got a duster for dusting the fag ash out of his keyboard. Remember to turn yourself while you are waiting for 247 brain damaged to get back to you. You dont want to end up with pressure sores while sitting waiting on something that isnt going to happen.
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 15:41:34
260# Conan the Librarian.

Sounds like a refuge for lost causes! What's he drinking? St. Judes Bitter?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 15:42:54
anway how long do we think its going to be before wendy gets the shove and the ceaser treatment.

I think 6 to seven weeks.
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 15:43:13
lol - got to go - i'll check back in later (but I'm pretty confident)
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 15:45:58
who thinks that headline should have an exclamation mark or six at the end of it?
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 15:49:28
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http://www.ratebeer.com/beerimages/full_size/43927.jpg
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 15:51:07
269# Karinxx

Or question marks!
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 15:54:01
270 Conan

HAHAHA! You are what you drink I suppose.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 15:55:23
Dane Bramage.

You're correct. Wendy has only one job and she can't get that one right.
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The 'Menace',

Edinburgh, 10/02/2008 15:59:46
Wendy...'Poor?'...£100,00 per annum!!..Come-on??..the only thing I can see,aboot her,is her 'Poor Mooth!'..
Aye!..its a struggle,even trying,,to get-bye!,on that!
Many people struggle daily,on a fraction of that sum!!.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 16:00:28
273 Dane Bramage

Medicine time for you methinks. Please list AS's pay packets. Then again, maybe you're just peeved 'cos you don't even have ONE job. BTW, having more than one job isn't sleaze. Some families can only survive if the husband or wife takes on a 2nd job.

No..I'll go back to my original thought. You're just miffed 'cos you've failed in everything you've ever attempted in you sad miserable existence.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 16:01:03
275

I salute your spookiness. How's the night sky?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 16:03:24
272 how much money does wendy have coming in that isnt legal and above board unlike alex pay packet which is?

so anyway sleaze. You were going to provide proof we are still waiting?
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 16:04:29
273 brain damaged

He has two salaries with one going to fund a charitable trust to benefit folks in the north-east.

Flotel Safe Scandinavia - what on earth has this to do with the SNP - how could 500 people being taken of the rig either benefit or harm the SNP. I think you may well have lost the plot.
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 16:05:37
273# Dane

Check out Conans post at 270# Mother's milk for unionists!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 16:06:29
#251 - karin m - too right!

cheers
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 16:07:40
273 the rest of your comment is drivel. I bet you sit every day thinking what complete load of lies and gibberish can i make up today.

A tip for you its not even interesting or well thougth out drivel.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 16:13:25
could someone explain to me what bearing gordon ramsay has on alex salmonds pay paypacket i fail too see the logic being employed by brain damage. by the way the snp insider is that a reference to how well wendy alexnader is doing improving the snp vote.
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 16:13:56
brain damaged

But I've explained the pay packets to you. Refute it or stop typing.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 16:16:59
286 were telling you your talking drivel. who doesnt understand that xx is roman numerals. oh why am i wasting my time he probably doesnt even know what a roman numeral is.............

A question for you dane bramage.
Do you think your blind every morning until your mammy tells you to open your eyes.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 16:20:40
I am sitting up om my perch and i am constipated, however it is a very comfatable feeling that this will save me money on bog roll..
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 16:24:05
rofl
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 16:25:03
#294 Dane Everage..

Substantiate what a GOON is please.!!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 16:33:18
#297 - ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Ananurhing,

10/02/2008 16:35:11
294# Irreversible Dane Bramage

Right that's it. I've heard enough from you! You're obviously one of Wendy's vulnerable 2 yr olds.Or disposessed of your faculties. I shall not respond to you again, and shall not read your posts. Go away until you've got something to say! Are you kimba's boyfriend? The one with the tatoo?
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 16:35:16
297 bd

This is quality. Give me more. Is that Carstairs calling?

Oh look, I've burned the Sunday tatties - obviously a dastardly SNP plot to destabilise Sundays with the effect leading onto the week and causing our financial sector to collapse.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/02/2008 16:35:40
Dane Bramage SNP Insider aka. Ciderman

You 'both' use the term 'oily Salmond' regularly so I guess you could say there is only one of you.

You accuse others of abuse and vitriol, yet you dish it out regularly yourself. You put forward no substantive arguments about your cause yet you expect others to do just that.

Seriously, this is a discussion forum so you are allowed to discuss things without reverting to abusive, smart*** soundbites.

I await your reply.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 16:37:53
#298 Dane Everage..

I have just looked up Eric Powell and he was an Olympic rowing gold medalist in 1908..not very substantiating is it?? Hmm now onto me. I can substantiate that i am indeed a bird of prey, i attend church every sunday, Substantiated,? nuff said.
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 16:43:33
Oh no, a (funda)mental Christian. God help us all - well he would if he existed.
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weh,

10/02/2008 16:44:29
The News OF the Screws Now have their Scottish Edition online following the Example of the Express are we seeing a move by the London based paper's in accepting that independence is inevitable and that they now have to start catering for that Market

Column - Mark Howarth
Go Wendy and take Pat Butcher with you
A FEW weeks ago, Wendy Alexander, below, was being touted as the cleverest smarty-pants in Scots politics.

She was sold to the electorate as a bit of a one-off — a Davros among the Daleks. Einstein in a dress.

In fact, she was going to do all the thinking so we didn’t have to.

“Aye, she’s a bit weird and can’t hold a conversation with anyone but herself. And no one likes her. And she’s boring. But, wow — what a brain!”

Well, if Wendy Alexander’s the smartest cookie in Scotland then we must be down to our last pack of Ginger Nuts.

Because she’s long since left the house with her dress tucked in the back of her knickers.

She’s 4-0 down after 10 minutes and still not sure which way she’s supposed to be kicking the ball.

I’ll not go back over the whole of Labour’s donations shame.

Suffice to say that Wendy is still under investigation by the procurator fiscal.

And even the Electoral Commission — who really don’t like offending folk — this week insisted her behaviour fell well short of what the law requires.

Some pundits have called this “carelessness”. I call it a sneering contempt for the statute book.

And she’s got form for it, going all the way back to 2000.

Section 28 — which banned gay propaganda in schools — was legislation we liked but she didn’t.
So she scrapped it.

In her world, the law is only what SHE says it is.

The Act of Parliament tightening up on political donations was one we demanded to clean up after a decade of sleaze.

But it seems Wendy’s brain is so big she found a clause in it that nobody else spotted — I.e. It disnae apply to wee Wendy.

How could she have got it so wrong? I mean if she’s
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 16:44:30
Dane, what ARE you drinking?

Seriously.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 16:50:54
#306 weh...wehhey what a post, i shall print it out on my (Laser)lexmark 2000 voted the best in what magazine printer and hang it of my perch for all to see.

#307 Conan...Lidl drivel juice,6p for 23ltrs
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Davie08,

a basement at Edinburgh uni 10/02/2008 16:53:16
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the singing ginger I think
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Gothic Rose,

10/02/2008 16:54:04
296# Ying Tong,Ying Tong,Ying Tong,Ying Tong,Ying Tong,Tiddly Io,
Ying Tong, Ying Tong,Ying Tong,Tiddly Io,Tiddly io.
I could go on,But will give you a break and,have a G&T instead.
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subrosa,

10/02/2008 16:56:44
# 286 'You can always tell here when a point hits home, the SNP drones attack the person posting.'

Think you got the verb wrong there. Shouldn't it be ignore?

Like others say your posts are full of mindless drivel. If you want to practice your keyboard skills I'd appreciate you try somewhere else.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 16:58:01
#312 Goth...please go on, i was tapping my claws to your post..ying tong ying tong ying tong tiddly lo, baw wah hee hoo doosh moosh, your turn goth..
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 16:58:21
dane do you leave home alone?????

I am seriously concerned about your ability to find your way back are you living in a phone box with internet access and this is in fact a bizarre attempt to get some directions?
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Davie08,

a basement at Edinburgh uni 10/02/2008 17:02:56
315 he can't
He's fallen in the waterrr
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/02/2008 17:05:52
Dane Bramage SNP Insider

How can you continue to support Wendy when she is beyond repair. I don't confuse this with your support of the Labour Party, but if you truly support Labour you must see that she is damaging the whole party.

There are 3 things which don't sit right here:

1. She could still be prosecuted
2. She failed to ensure that all donations remained legal - the law states that it is her responsibility as benefactor whether she was given poor advice or not
3. She has perceived this as a victory when it is not, and has subsequently shown little humility about the whole affair

Forget the 'vendetta' as Foulkes put it. Those are basic facts.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:06:03
#317 Nice one,lets hope he cant swim.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:07:21
#309 - it makes you wonder what a right wing, American and fundementaly right wing christian is doing supporting the supposedly left wing Labour Party.


Now I know where AM2 gets his views from!
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:08:19
318 Col i fear that you overestimate the dane bramaged ones capabilties he obviously wouldnt know what to do with a tic tac never mind a tacograph. Mind you if we gave him a tic tac at least on the plus side his bottom would be minty.
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 17:08:45
315

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebe1zuEtbc
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Gothic Rose,

10/02/2008 17:11:35
315#Bird of Prey.

WEEEEEEEEEEEDiddley diddly,Diddley diddly, diddly doo.
Its all too, too much,Of you go and get, Spike Milligan to do,the Doo.xxx
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 17:15:57
322 brain damaged

Let's be pragmatic when looking at the Tories (if you're capable of that). I'm no fan of them and, yes, they still have idiot politicians in their ranks (Murdo Fraser for example) but this is not the Tory Party of Margaret Thatcher. The Tory Party up here is a very different beast from down south. The fact is that I would argue that most Tory MSPs care more for the future of Scotland than their Labour counterparts. For Labour, it is all about a class struggle that ended after the miners' strike - at least the Tories are moving forward.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:16:05
#324 Conan..lol, that black and white rabble nearly put me to sleep..

#325 Goth...Good idea, Doo da doo moos.x
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 17:16:18
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Thank you.
322 'shut up Eccles'
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:23:10
seriously everyone is he just kidding on hes this dumb or is he really related to kimba.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:23:44
Dane ? you should complain to the news of the wolrd!

"Why take 950 quid you don’t need for a one-horse-race? Why not just be completely honest and declare the whole lot anyway?

And why employ as your troubleshooter an over-promoted blancmange like Jackie Baillie MSP, below — Labour’s own Pat Butcher only less charming?"
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:24:54
It gets better:

"So at what point does Wendy’s enormous intellect compute that she’s not fit for the job?

Instead of doing the decent thing, she’s clinging on like a randy Jack Russell to a trouser leg.

If she got the jail, she’d want to lead Labour as the member for Cornton Vale. If she was fried in the electric chair, she’d still be trying to run the party by ouija board."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OUCH I FELL OF MA CHAIR!
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tartan army 2222,

10/02/2008 17:25:13
Karin

I reckon he's just dumb. A sane person couldn't make up the drivel he's coming out with.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:25:55
#328 lol..hee hee you and Spook should be on stage together..chuckle chuckle.."Jakie the Hutt is at the counter eating a whopper whilst ordering 6 more" lol...

#329 Don't mention it.
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anakin,

anywhere west of the Hootsmon and east of the dail 10/02/2008 17:27:26
Dane the Dunderheid; you should be in the Daily Ragg everyday. You should be on STV everyday. You should be in all news outlest every day. So that the nation can see how and why you an your ilk have wreaked havoc on our nation for 100 years.

I mean you and Wendy are a gift.

So, please, please, keep it coming.

For we shall be a nation again.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:27:41
dane seriously Are you wendy cos she is the only other person i can think of thats this dumb.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/02/2008 17:29:34
Theres a big difference between a politician who is on the receiving end of a donation from whoever and one who deliberately bends the rules on accessing public money to "rent back" a property they already own as happened with the Tory MP. Now that must be a crime in anyones book.

Also, an intersting little twist in the tail of last weeks budget to note that bus operators will receive even more subsidies - any connection with the Souter SNP donation I wonder? Is this a fair interpretation of the political rules for receiving donations or not?
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missing home,

la verne 10/02/2008 17:30:48
Morris, your comments always make sense.
No.111, wee bully alba, right on!
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:32:27
OH GOD, not the lib for life, life has just got so slow and b o r i n g ..zzzzzzzzz, what time is songs of (prey?) on?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:33:45
339 a new tesco has just opened in wendy alexanders constituency anything to do with the money they donated to her?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:35:38
339 remind me what that liberals got for their voters by talking to the snp like the greens etc who incidentally wanted that budget policy of subisidies.

what they abstained you say. like labour.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:36:31
Hope they do 24 hour home delivery cos im out of fresh fish and i don't mean any of that Tesco value crap, only Tesco finest for me baby.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:36:42
339 remind me why the liberals abstained on the budget? If they were so against it?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:36:42
339 remind me why the liberals abstained on the budget? If they were so against it?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:36:42
339 remind me why the liberals abstained on the budget? If they were so against it?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:36:42
339 remind me why the liberals abstained on the budget? If they were so against it?
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:37:31
#343 - She is also a director of one of TEscos biggest suppliers ;-)

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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:38:12
351 really?.....................
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:38:41
#346 - Fresh Fish? As Wendies soon going too slaughter would you consider a bit of TROUT?
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:39:08
Good god Karin, keep yir hunds of that post comment button and stop refreshing.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:41:12
355 soleeeeeee. wow dont you just wonder if gordon brown lies in bed at night awake and saying to himself endlessly


"damn why didnt i have that election"
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 17:45:35
352 this bit ws most interesting


The Electoral Commission meets on February 6, and will then take a formal decision on whether to pass on their dossier on Mrs Harman.

But the police have already started their own probe into the Deputy Labour Party Leader.


So how come the police in the wendy alexander case didnt start their own investigation but waited for the EC to complete.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:46:04
#357 - Wendies anybodies who's got the cash have you seen the list of addons she's got. Expect her to release a book once she's been punted.

It will be handy as a carbon neutral fuel source when it's burned after nobody buys it.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:46:07
#352 A voice from Scotland...Jesus that is a substantial post and just shows us that Labour and sleaze go hand in hand, they are indeed finished.

#354..Juan Kerr.:-)I love TROUT, especially them fresh ones with big hot cherry lips, very succulent i may add.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:47:43
"So how come the police in the wendy alexander case didnt start their own investigation but waited for the EC to complete"

Because london got onto ailish, the one whos grateful for the job they gave ehr and told her not to do anything until they report. The police cannot investigate in Scotland unless the PF sayso.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:51:16
356 Karin...yeh cos broon would be doomed and would have put the big baboon with the bottom drop thing jaw out of his , i mean this thing would as well to hold his next party conference in his fathers church grave yard well away from all living creatures.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:51:48
#353- karinm - #357 - col blimp

YES WH MAlcolm they handle tescos logistics in Scotland
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 17:55:36
Um starving, um away to pluck some worms out of lib for life's garden, think i might read his posts to them worms cos this would be sure to bore them out of their hiding places and beg me to stop.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 17:59:47
Has anybody noticed the subtle hint to wendy from the scottish media today?

A normally delete happy scotsman is allowing most posts to stay and only taking down the trully offensive.

I think this could be their way of saying "time to go , we won't be watching your back no more"

Now that she ahs landed square into another scandal.

I think the papers are now trying to distance themselves to save credibility.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 18:01:16
#366 - ROFLMAO :-)

He's good at plugging cracks. He used to work in Plymouth.

Hello Sailor.......
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:02:25
366. LOL. Nice one
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 18:03:12
#366 hee hee, the thought of it...lol
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:03:43
366 Reported for cruelty to worms. No one should have to listen to that Lib for lifes boring posts
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 18:03:44
#366 - He could be wendies biographer and sell the rights to mills and boon

Title sugestions
"Wendy. The diary of a flash in the pan"
"Tears,Tantrums and a few puddles"
"Sellout. an insiders story"
"How to convert a left wing party into a conservative right wing party for dummies"
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beckypumps1,

Fife 10/02/2008 18:06:33
222 This cant be true or should I keep a open mind? maybe it was an unintentional piddle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Alexander#Career

"After her stormy resignation from Jack McConnell's Cabinet in 2002 after revelations of her drinking on duty and urinating in a street , to which a chaffeur witnessed. she was a visiting professor at the Strathclyde Business School. She later married Professor Brian Ashcroft and now has two children.She was fired from the Industry portfolio in 2002 , following the submission of a parliament workers report regarding a car stopping and the occupant urinating in a public place whilst inebriated.She has a regular column in the Daily Record, the main Labour supporting tabloid."
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 18:07:20
#372 Splashey..indeed..
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:08:15
373 the hungry catterpillars guide to scottish politics.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:08:27
374 The question is was the piddle permissbale? A piddle, not a fiddle!
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:09:14
373 Miss Permissbale?

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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 18:12:16
#378 - A puddle not a muddle.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:13:40
380 Fiascos, fiddles and puddles - a life and Labour
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 18:13:41
#377 - It will be something nauseating like "the Butter Fly"

BOAK!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 18:14:55
#381 "muddles , puddles and hay fiddle piddles"
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beckypumps1,

Fife 10/02/2008 18:16:54
379 Ive been caught short before but luckily had the fore sight to wear incontinence pants so nobody would know unless there is an unidentified leak.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:18:02
384 What with the latest Herald revelations of Jakie's latest script, Puddles Alexander seems to be beset by leaks....
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:19:16
apparently berwick on tweed is to be asked if they want to go back to being part of scotland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/7237802.stm
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:21:23
taking of pants has anyone seen AM2
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:21:44
376 I heard Scottish Labour were proposing that Jersey be made part of Scotland too.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:22:43
388 Must be going to happen. otherwise wendy wouldnt have taken the illegal donation.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:26:19
hands up everyone who knew this was going to happen. Brown had and still has no intention of giving the scottish parliament any more powers. the only way we are going to get more powers is for the whole of scotland to turn to the snp.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:29:21
SO Wendy is being reported to the Electoral Commission again, and the police again, for potential deception in previous fundraising involving the Scottish Industry Forum....? Dear dear, to be reported to the fiscal once could be seen as unfortunate, to be investigated by the electoral commission as well is untoward, to have been criricised by the Standards commissioner was perhaps unlucky, but to face yet another EC and police investigation just looks careless.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 18:29:53
http://tinyurl.com/25am5v - The real face of cynical politics

Huffy wee Madame
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:31:04
394 Just because Labour say they want a constitutional commission and believe in devolution, but can't appoint their Scottish staff without London approval and now have their own commission downgraded by the London leader, does not mean their committment to devolution is flawed. In the least.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:33:02
399 - LOL
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:33:47
397 interesting.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:35:43
399 she seriously cant think she can lead the opposition does she?
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McFreedom,

DALGETY BAY 10/02/2008 18:36:57
1) Nicol Stephen should recognise the smell of sleaze. It's little over a year since he was caught out swicking his non-qualifying mortgage through his expenses. Of course, he did not profit from it, according to the report his office sends you if you challenge him about it. (See also below re "the whitewash".)

2) Wee Wendy's wee brother Douglas was the numpty responsible for the election "fiasco".

3) Wendy doesn't seem to understand what "vindicate" means.

4) Why is it necessary for the Electoral Commission to be involved? Surely our Procurators Fiscal are smart enough to work out for themselves whether an offence has been committed? (Althought I admit I sometimes wonder exactly how smart you need to be to be a PF.)
This smacks of the "high heid yins" setting up their cronies, or "placemen" as they have been called this week, in a quango to filter out the less extreme breaches and deal with them by means of their well-worn report template - "the whitewash".
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:37:24
why is she still there i mean i know i want her there because she makes the snp look fantiastic. But seriously why is she still there why have none of the the other labour msps challenged her for leadership. is it because she is gordon browns annointed.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:38:10
I think we should all stop talking about her they might get shot of her. we dont want that.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:38:51
403. I reccomment that a complaint is made to the Scottish Parliament Standards Commissioner for breach of rules on declaration of cash donations - it would appear Wendy did not declare cash funding from the Scottish Industry Forum.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:40:25
see that story in the times did someone not mention that weeks ago on one of the boards.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:41:24
408 - yes, the Scottish Industry Forum has been long suspected as a Labour front
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:41:54
who thinks wendys picture looks like ernie from sesame street?
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 18:47:48
I don't think it's right that a daughter of the manse should say "goddammit"

I don't think it's right that a son of the manse should pay for the Iraqi war.

I don't think it's right that a "Christian" ex PM should change religion in order that he can be "forgiven"
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:49:37
412 Did Wendy declare in the register of interests a 12k donation from SIF?

If not a complaint should made in writing to the SPSC
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:54:19
414 - I think the SNP have complained to the Electoral Commission based on possible deception involving the fund raising itself (in that it was not made clear the funds would go to Labour when solicited by the SIF) and declaration of the funds to the EC.

Separately, a complaint should be made to Scottish Parliament Standards Commissioner about failure of Ms Alexander to declare this interest to parliament, as required in law.
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:56:39
418. But at the same time, The Labour party denied any connection to SIF (Sunday Times)..... deception, sleaze?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 18:57:17
The times story is now on here.

http://cybernatcitycentral.blogspot.com/
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Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:58:21
I would urge people to complain about non-declaration of cash gifts from SIF by Ms Alexander to

The Standards Commissioner
The Scottish Parliament Edinburgh
EH99 1SP

Complaints must be made in writing and signed by the person making the complaint.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 19:14:48
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karin

It has been revealed that "she has one year in which to prove her worth",so it could well be the pre release of another announcement, in which she advises of her intention to tender her resignation by mutual consent much sooner ,(because of personal reasons).Some people call it the big heave ho.

YOU COULD WELL BE CORRECT IS WHAT I AM SAYING

YOU PROBABLY ARE.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 19:36:41
Dane Bramage

Get back to your Cider Pete.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 19:38:28
...or is it "Get back to your moonshine, SunShine."
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 19:39:37
Dane. It's time for me to raise the debate a tad.

Na na na na na
Na na na na na
We won we won
You lost you lost.
GIRUY
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 19:42:30
This debacle does make me wonder.

Do you think MI5 had a word with the commisioner?

"Best let this one drop, like Yates of the Yard did with Tony, do you realise the consequences of another criminal investigation."

I remember watching Yates getting a grilling from the select committee. He more or less admitted he was forced into ignoring Tony Blair's crimes because having a criminal in a position of power is less of a problem for us, the public, than removing a criminal from power. So they'd have us believe.

If Wendy Alexander was fined for breaking the law, then they'd have to fine/prosecute the lot of them. What next? A legal system that doesn't protect the powerful, forget it! It's not in the public's interest.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 19:47:45
425 - LOL. ROTFL.

Are you having a breakdown of some kind. Keep it up, very amsuing. Are Laboru hacks feeling the pressure then - two cabinet ministers gone for sleaze in past few weeks, Wendy reported to fiscal, her best "excuse" is that she is a fiasco - LOL. And this is Labour's retort??

Did you get that off Jackie Ballie's cribsheet? Go on, write some more, give us all a giggle - was it Bevan who said "silent pain evokes no response " - your pain sure ain't silent.
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 19:48:31
425
Hmm...Unionist groupthink.What's the name of the Scottish Government's First Minister again?
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

Letterfinly Estate,Dochennassie 10/02/2008 19:52:31
I am singing "sunshine sunshine sunshine"
"moonlight moonlight moonlight"
"i ken i ken i ken"
high up in my perch over looking loch lochy. I have also been practicing my Gaelic spurned on by the national MOD when it came to Fort William and i am please to say that "ALBA" is Gaelic for Scotland.
I have to admit that even i am flabagast at my grasp of the Gaelic language and the spead that i am picking it up. Alba grapes.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 19:53:12
431 Candy-ass crew? what does he mean? Do you think he is a tad furious that Wendy is being reported to the Electoral Commission, again, and the police, again? Maybe it was Hain's resignation when faced with criminal investigation, or Harmen facing criminal investigation that upset Dane? Or maybe its Labours total catastrophic incompetent sleazy meltdown?

I think Dane has done the Labour transference thing, and rather than accept that 120 admitted counts of sleazy law breaking have brought them into disrepute, he blames others rather than take responsibility.

Still, good for a laugh.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 19:58:55
429 Thatchers thing
How is yir auld maw and kith & kin? Has the auld Whaup not died yet and crashed into the ingle.

I know i know, this bird of prey has no bounds, it can speak Gaelic and Scots whilst knitting at the same time. Knitting in the form of plucking nits from my feathers i may add.!
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:04:21
435 - Please report this post for its swearing
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Allan(handofgod137),

10/02/2008 20:05:29
As a member of the public, I feel that a prosecution of wendy is in the public interest.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:11:15
435 the hootsman is biased against the snp you say. Well blow me over and call me wendy who woulda thought that.
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 20:13:27
435
So we are all ill-educated left-wing schemies eh?

A rather sweeping statement.It's like me saying all unionists are mindless, sycophantic, Royalist @rses.

But I wouldn't.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:15:37
435 i also wish you would learn to read. (obviously not one of the scotsmans target market consumers there)

By Campbell Gunn

A politician has called for the Scottish border to be moved 20 miles south.
Liberal Democrat MSP Jeremy Purvis says current calls for Berwick to be transferred back to Scotland are not ambitious enough.
He wants to see the border moved 20 miles to take in a large area of Northumberland.
Mr Purvis claims it could be done quite simply, with two “statutory instruments”, one each at Holyrood and Westminster.
One is already going through Westminster as the Government is set to abolish Berwick-upon-Tweed Borough Council.
So a simple order at Holyrood could see a massive land grab by Scotland go ahead.
The move comes as a television poll for ITV’s Tonight programme, carried out in Berwick, is expected to show a majority in the town in favour of a shift to Scotland.


so liberal democrats are picking fights now. okay dokey
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 20:16:27
435

I have heard that a Liberal member has suggested that the border be moved twenty miles south from Berwick but he does not say how far inland that should go,but presumably to where the current boundary runs North and South.
What that has to do with the SNP only you can say.Please enlighten us.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 20:17:29
Whatever happened to charging organisations jointly and severaly?

Think of all the other offences which would be asked to be taken into consideration once the mole turns squealer.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:17:54
442 - hahahah, how embarrassing for 435 - missed and hit the wall (or hit the Lib Dems anyway) ROTFL
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 10/02/2008 20:21:00
#435 " Scotsmans target market" I am educated, left of centre and working class and have been reading the Scotsman for thirty years. The paper is not for any one section of Scottish Society.
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Sgurr,

10/02/2008 20:21:57
Hi All,

Sgurr's the name. I was only just born on Saturday night, but luckily learned to read in my first few hours. This Wendy Alexander seems perfectly nice and sounds like a perfect individual and someone I would want to represent our country in the world. I would have no problem voting for her.

Lots of Love,

Sgurr, born yesterday.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:22:05
444 - LOL. Oh porr Thatchers love child, made a pure Wendy of himself!! Fiasco?
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 20:22:52
"The Hootsman is bias."

This is the type of moronic tripe the SNP are famed for on this forum. The Scotsman is a media organisation made of people who as UK citizens are perfectly entitled to take advantage of the freedom to associate and the freedom of speech.

Typical of the boorish ape like SNP campaigner to rant and rave about people being free and enjoying life in the UK. Is it your hoomin rites that means we's all got to fink like yous SNP, is it?

Conan the Librarian. Disgusting comments, utterly innapropriate. The Scotsman's taget market is as I said it was. A fact. Your offensive comments are another example of the ape mind of the SNP voice that is prominent on these boards.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:24:03
451 - You have not corrected your spectacular fiasco of a post at 435. Did you mean to say that Liberal Democrats behave like children?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 20:24:05
I believe that Scots law allows the police to prosecute on their own behalf. This, of course would be down to the PF.

Let us wait and see how political the judicial system is.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:25:20
451 British Jobs for British workers I say!

Jersey Cheques for Scottish Grafters I say!
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:26:09
449 hello sgurr are you also one of those newborn people who have been born with a huge birthmark on your head that says M U G

I have one of those althought i am undergoing treatment to have it removed all i had to do was support the snp and suddenly it started fading
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:27:04
451 TLC

what did you make of that Tory MP found guilty of fraudulently paying his son for wokr never done from taxpayers expense? Is it a pre-requisite for unionists to be corrupt and sleazy, or just an assumed perk?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:28:54
451 do tell us more about the liberal democrats picking fights. also could you explain why you beleive the liberal democrats to be what was it you said oh yes apes

Like all apes they just know how to pick fights, rant and rave, and ruin things for everyone else. The only way they will stop ruining things for others is if you give them what they want.
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 20:30:58
451
Disgusting...?You should get out more.

Perhaps to Berwick on Tweed.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:33:22
451 The Scotsman is a media organisation made of people who as UK citizens are perfectly entitled to take advantage of the freedom to associate and the freedom of speech

i am confused by a problem here perhaps you could help me you spoke of the liberal democrats picking fights and called them apes does that mean they are not allowed to say they want berwick back and to move the border into england please explain.
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allymax,

New Labour; public sector trough? 10/02/2008 20:33:24
Comment Refrained, By Myself, Reason: laughing too much!
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:33:58
458 COnan

It is tough work for Thatchers Love Thing to keep attacking the Lib Dems for their childish and ape-like, boorish desire to have back Berwick, LOL
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 20:34:27
456 Splashie

I thought that fraudulant Tory was a disgrace and believe I said that in the message board regarding the story.

Can you answer me something though? Why are you such an irrelevant idiot? You seem to take great pride in supporting politics like it is football, jeering, sneering, offending people who have come to comment on the story.

I'd be interested to know why the SNP are offensive and irrelevant on these boards - does any one of you apes have enough self-awareness to be able to explain that?
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:34:53
460 Karin

i too was shocked by the venom of Thatchers Love Childs attacks on the Lib Dems
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:36:05
463 Oh, you are a card. I thought you said it was the Lib Dems who were ape-like and boorish (post 435)?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:36:37
reading and commmenting on the hootsman website

cost-------------- internet access


watching thatchers love child slag off the liberal democrats when he thought he was talking about the snp

PRICELESS.
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 20:37:28
#451

Even worse Conan is not really a Librarian. How bad is that.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:37:35
463 - Offending people who come to comment - this from the man who labelled Lib Dems ape-like, boorish and childish for raising the question of Berwick? If I was a Lib Dem I would be offended. As is, I just think you a rather ludicrous poltroon, but good for a wee laugh.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:38:11
463 now thatchers love child who are you talking about now are you still talking about the liberal democrats being ape like and akin to three year olds. Im sorry i just cant follow you.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:38:22
466 LOL. Karin, indeed, what an eejit
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 20:40:18
The motion for Berwick was lodged by MSP Christine Grahame, Scottish National Party (South of Scotland).

Like I said, you people are morons.

Watching you numbskulls slag me off for being correct really draws a line under how ape-like you all are.

http://www.christinegrahame.com/
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:41:16
463 Thatchers LC

what is your opinion on the Wendy donations, and the Labour broader (hain/ Harmen, Abrahams) illegal donations?
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 20:43:40
Splashie, you haven't answered me.

Why do you and your fellow SNP campaigners behave like idiotic apes?

In the absence of any revealing reply, I will assume being a smart-alec is some sort of attempt to cover up your lack of knowledge, wit or intelligence.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:43:44
471
the lib dem guy also said

“The big debate in Scotland shouldn’t be about independence, it should be about Scotland being bigger. Alex Salmond’s ambitions are too low.”


the snp said

A spokesperson for the First Minister said, “The Scottish Government has no territorial demands on our friends and neighbours in England.
“Indeed, we look forward to building a new, 21st Century relationship of equality as two independent nations with the Queen as our common head of state — united kingdoms rather than the United Kingdom.
“The future of Berwick is best left to the views of the people who live there.”
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:45:54
so on one hand we have some lib dem guy saying lets take over large swathes of england

and on the other the first minister saying lets leave it to them.

Do you really want me to keep going here. I mean there is more. ARe the lib dems no longer the labour party buddies then has there been a falling out. DO TELL.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:47:25
473 ooer LOL am2 you can indeed assume it to be a typo i have no use at all for union jack pants. yours or anyone elses.
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allymax,

on the floor laughing uncontrollably. 10/02/2008 20:48:05
I've had to post this one on this issue because the other site has crashed. Wonder why!

"Westminster who believe Alexander is "doing the work" of the SNP." This obviously has to be a ruse.

Or, it may be an attempt by New Labour from westminster to try and confuse the Scottish public into thinking there's no difference between SNP/Alex Salmond, and new labour/wendy alexander.

Keep trying Mr Bliar.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 20:48:41
451

That would explain why one of their editorial team is standing for election in Edinburgh East .What party was he again .............................erm
Oh yes silly me SNP (George Kerevan)

You are an R . Soul
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:48:50
473 sorry AM2 im rolling on the floor laughing thats the funniest thing youve ever said to me.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:49:09
474 TLC

I have to say I find your posts really rather rude, abusive, childish and unpleasant. I noted you swearing above - is this how poeple should behave? Honestly, I would be embarrassed if children accidentally read your swearing abusive posts. Raise your game!
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 20:54:18
479 Morris

Thanks for you offensive comments. It highlights what I was saying about your lack of intelligence, wit or knowledge. You are no different from a beast or ape.

One swallow does not a summer maketh. What exactly is the point you are making about the SNP member being on the editorial team? I imagine he's quite handy for getting an inside view into the SNP and presenting the ape perspective at meetings.

It remains a fact, this papers editorial slant does not like the SNP or anything it stands for. A view the readers all agree with.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:55:33
I suggest Thatchers Love Child is mereley a silly troll

IGNORE
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 20:57:00
481 Splashie

Using the word political bullsh!t is acceptable. That is what the SNP campaigners create daily on these boards.

Hardly offensive. Please don't be so childish and pedantic as to bother me with any more of your ridiculous and exagerated accusations.

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karinxx,

10/02/2008 20:57:59
484 where have you been havent seen you posting apart from the other day when the hootsmans storm troopers got me.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:58:03
484 How did you interpret it, as you being a pant taker or her taking your pants?
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 20:59:04
My geography isn't too good. Please help. If the border is moved 20 miles further south, does that give us any of England's gas fields?
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 20:59:05
486
Marinka, come to piano bar
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:00:00
488 Don't think so, but we may have a shot at a piece of Kendal mint cake all round!
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 21:00:12
I am still waiting for a reply.

I have to skim read through mounds of the SNP's political BS on the stories that interest me daily. Can someone tell me why these people behave so idiotically, selfishly and irrelevantly?

I'm taking the time to find out tonight rather than continue to post on-topic, as I have been all this week.

Anyone out there got an answer?
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:00:25
488 Don't think so, but we may have a shot at a piece of Kendal mint cake all round!
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:02:29
IGNORE THE TROLL
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:02:30
491 TLC
I suggest re reading your posts and then going having a lie down and a long long think about it. I realise you wont come to an answer but at least you will be refreshed.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:02:39
IGNORE THE TROLL
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osama,

10/02/2008 21:03:45
I am actually astonished at the fuss made in reaction to what the Archbishop of Canterbury said, and feel that the fuss is made on something which actually exists, why do not we to an extent take what the man said as a description rather than a prediction. There are many parts of the British law which are actually in full coherence with Shari`ah values of freedom of speech, thought, expression, faith, cooperation, pluralism and equality are all the essence of Shari`ah. Is it our mistaken view or understanding, as muslims, of what Shari`ah really means that create a dichotomy of feeling this coherence? Or is it the misrepresentation of Shari`ah to non-Muslim that make them feel it is a threat? Is there an over-feeling of self-assertion of identity? What is identity, is there a British Muslim identity or all these generations of Muslims living in the West lead an identity crisis?
Cannot we remember that the Normans who governed in the Islamic sicily and adopted many of the Islamic Shari`ah codes did come to Britain long time ago and established what they have previously adopted, and that creates a question: Do modern British people realize that Shari`ah pre-existed in their law long time ago and its connection with it is deeper that what anyone can imagine?
One final note, these young people who want to marry or divorce and have to go through dual process each time can they find settlement oneday? Can an introduction of some Shari`ah codes in areas like these make their lives easier, and therefore, make them feel more BRITISH, and help strengthening this very viable and lovable combination: BRITISH Muslim??? Just thoughts

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alanh,

ek 10/02/2008 21:04:27
"Alexander said she did notwant to cast slurs on Alex Salmond's own honesty for the sake of scoring political points.

"It's not that I don't want to stand up and take Alex Salmond on, but do I fundamentally think he is a corrupt politician? No I don't."

you just dont get it do you Wendy. You, and your party have tried and failed repeatedly to cast slurs on AS over the trumph affair, without ANY evidence. You were GUILTY of dishonesty and are now trying to spin it to you being in the clear by bringing others into your poor wee wendy story.

I simply find it hard to believe ANYTHING she says.

What job did she have in the private sector and what was her salary?
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:04:58
496 - yes, there is a thread about that. it is not this one.
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:05:54
498 hehehe

phoar
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:07:10
501. She has always relied on the kindness of strangers (and she loves streetcars)

What u make of Jackie baillies swearing on STV?
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 21:09:04
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460

Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 21:09:25
AM2 - You've been noticeable by your absence. were you out with doctor watson buying a new pipe and deerstalker? I fear for you need to sound like a victorian, It does not make you sound any brighter infact you look a bit of an @rse
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:09:34
503 I think she was reading off one of her scripts. Journalists all over Scotland will be getting calls this week saying "I think Wendy is f***ing brilliant"
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/02/2008 21:10:22
Splashie, you can't ignore him, that's like dismissing Keir Hardie's greatest work, 'Wendy the Obscure'.

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/02/2008 21:10:22
Splashie, you can't ignore him, that's like dismissing Keir Hardie's greatest work, 'Wendy the Obscure'.

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Dunnie,

Canada 10/02/2008 21:10:54

A secret report is about to be published tomorrow in the "Hootsman".

An employee of the paper, who posts regularly on its website under the moniker of "Thatcher's Love Child",, is at the centre of this rather repulsive story.

The article will assert that "Thatcher's Love Child" is indeed the offspring of the Baroness.

Moreover, it will end with the rather alarming - if not incredulous - claim that the father of the prolific poster has been narrowed down to Allan Clark or Screaming Lord Sutch.

Menage a trois?

Pity the petrie dish-handler!!!
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 21:11:58
AM2 - begone , back to your copy of Sedan Chairs and Knaves.

Apparently their is an article on a top of the range model that requires only 2 serfs to carry! It's made out of ultralight OAK the good old victorian way!You can even buy optional whip and hessian trousers!
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:12:28
505 Juan

AM2 was mocking Wendy talking about her domestic arrangements
There has been a disturbance in the dark side of the force, AM2 is mocking Wedny and Jackie....
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 21:13:00
We are all in the piano bar AM2 ant your not..neh neh neh neh, stick that up wendy why dont you
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:13:21
510 Noahs ARk, Perth? is that where Nicky Fairbarin saw singles going in two by two?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:14:28
501 I agree. I think she does scottish politics any favours whatsoever. She is making all politicians look silly by providing no credible oppositon unlike anable goldie.
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 21:14:58
#512 - Perhaps a stray "personal invective" scrambled his circuitry.

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karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:15:07
516 that should have been doesnt do scottish politics
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:15:51
516, yes, Annabelle, high doyenne of the doiley brigade, is actually quite effective. Nicol and Wendy are total wash-outs

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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:16:22
467

NIKO. How's it going an' that?
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Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 21:16:54
This AM2 is eerily relaxed. I sense a disturbance ...........
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:17:21
467 Niko

You are usually one of the few unionists with something to say. You are not scrollable.
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 21:17:44
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Message understood Oscar
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 21:18:27
482

The paper is biased of course,we would agree on that,but the people employed by the paper, are of mixed persuasion, as one would expect,and the SNP presence is by no means insignificant,and is, if anything ,quite disproportionately healthy for Edinburgh !How do I know this. Lets just say I got it from one of the SCOTSMAN'S top people,but I really don't care if you believe that or not,to be honest.
You have no idea what my education level is, nor do you have any idea who I really am, and you should not need this pointing out to you!

If you are going to make such claims, then you can hardly be too disappointed, when nobody takes you too seriously. If you cannot justify your claims, then better not to make them, I would have thought. I did look at that link to Christine Graham, but could see nothing about any border comment anywhere,and the story which broke today, in the PRESS has nothing to do with the SNP.We make no claim officially,and quite honestly I am surprised that there is apparently strong support for rejoining Scotland there. I had family in Eyemouth, Coldstream and Wooler , until recently, and have never heard of any desire in Berwick, (which I have known all my life) or nearby Northumbrian towns to rejoin.We certainly neither pursue this nor do we object.Its a decision which the people of Berwick and North Northumberland must make for themselves, and even that might not be allowed.WE are certainly not starting a cross border argument I can assure you. If the Liberals are doing this take it up with them.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:18:35
473

Nice one AM2. Long time no see. All OK?
479

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 21:18:54
#521 Thats cos he cant find English voice log in, or perhaps he is of the drugs
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:19:25
474 TLC...SunShine?
481

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10/02/2008 21:21:52
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482

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:22:08
WTF is the piano bar?
483

Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:22:37
522 Yes, I quite Like Niko Dude. He can be funny. But he is sometimes swayed to the irrational Cider/ TLC silly dark side....
484

karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:23:06
527 am2 thats three times in one day i have thought you are talking complete sense. I must be ill.
485

Juan Kerr :-) ,

10/02/2008 21:23:21
AM2 - have you had your road to damascus momment? I am in a bit of a shock to be honest.

486

Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:23:25
530

You were invited but await your brother in law to install I believe

We all there now
487

karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:24:46
530 ahhh secret.
488

Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:24:54
528 Yes, another sad moniker from a very sad bitter lonely cross-dresser
489

Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 21:25:31
524 Morris

I can only assume you are play acting an ill-informed SNP ape. But why?
490

Splashie,

10/02/2008 21:25:38
535 - 61 what. Degrees proof? Content % weight over weight? be specific (specific gravity?)
491

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:30:21
The piano bar rocks, but I can't get in. Oh well. My messages are ignored. Shut down the bar now and contact.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:31:13
I prefer Christina.it gives her a certain je ne sais kwa.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 21:31:39
496

I think we should be careful when we say British law.

Scotland has a completely seperate legal system, and whilst there are no doubt many areas where we are identical, or very similar ,we use the term Britsh Law ill advisedly,and sooner or later we have to acknowledge that there are TWO legal systems in the UK, and where this matters, and where it makes no difference, is impossible to say, unless we specify what aspect of law, or specific law , we are talking about.As a general principle I accept that its probably obvious what is meant, but law is one area where what is meant does not carry weight, (unless you are a Labour politician of course). What happened is what matters.
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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:32:38
KWA? I was being smart. The Kwa languages are spoken in the south-eastern part of Côte d'Ivoire, in Ghana, Togo and Benin. French apparently.
495

Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 21:33:00
537 Splashie

I am trying to find out why you are such an irrelevant, offensive and apish individual. You continue to highlight all my accusations I made of you by calling me a cross-dresser and a troll. But why do you behave like this?

I take a great interest in politics and recently started posting comments on the boards. Can you tell me why I should have to put up with your continued offence and irrelevant idiocy? I'd be interested to know what you think of your own crass behaviour.

Confronting the reasons for your continued jibes may help you gain some self-respect. In a few years, when you are feeling better about yourself, perhpas you you will be able to. I can only assume you are so ashamed yourself that you can't publically defend your disgusting behaviour.
496

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:35:05
546

Recently? Don't make me laugh. Yer an oldie.
497

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:35:30
547 Christine it is then.
498

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:38:49
Why is TLC such a diddy? He comes on pretending to be a new poster, but immediately attacks certain people. He's an oldie with a grudge. Raise yer game muppet.
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BK,

Cyberspace 10/02/2008 21:40:36
Wendy says her nose is not in the trough, but would she care to tell us what happened to all the money donated to her leadership campaign? Since there was no contest, the money could not have been spent on this, so what happened to it? We need answers!
500

Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 21:43:16
551 Disputer

I haven't attacked anybody. What are you talking about.

I have only responded assertively, but politely, to users who are being offensive.

You are typical of the SNP ape behaviour yourself though. You pick the fight and then play hard-done-by when some challenges your disgusting behaviour.

I normally ignore the SNP apes on here, but tonight I thought I would enquire why you behave like beasts? Any idea anyone?
501

karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:49:17
554 calling someone an ape is not asserive behaviour
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:50:39
APART from the nationalist tactic thing i almost agreed. well i did. i need a lie down.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 21:50:39
Surely a typo at 553, AMtwa. An MSP earns more than £17,697pa.

Perhaps you were thinking about Wendy's election fund.
504

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:51:37
554
TLC

Eh? I haven't attacked anyone. I'm a nationalist, but not necessarily SNP. You are a tube though pretending you've just arrived. LOL.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/02/2008 21:52:25
538

I must be then, because I know nothing about any claim on parts of Northumberland, which originate with the SNP,and I can't see any reference to such anywhere.Even if Christine Graham has said anything, (and I am not aware of this), its NOT party policy, and whilst there may well be a few romantics who want to do this,it appears they are on BOTH sides of the border , its either that or everybody can forget about it.

For the record I am certainly a member of the family Hominidae, but I eat bananas because they are a good source of pottasium,an essential electrolyte in our bodies, so you are not exactly lacking in insults yourself ,are you?
Lets call it quits at that. I dont see this going anywhere except down,and I would like to think we are both above that level.
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Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 21:52:47
556 AM2

You could be right, however I am comfortable using the term "ape". Apish behaviour is well established in the English language as lacking sophistication and aggressive in nature.

So there is no reason to take offense, a suitable word used aptly in an appropriate context. Why should I use language that apologises or seeks to play down this continued harrassment of users? It looks like an ape, behaves like an ape and posts like an ape. It is an ape! (And most likely a SNP campaigner)
507

Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:53:55
TLC = Monkey-man.
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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

10/02/2008 21:55:42
#556 AM2 He is just a big dumb weird thing itching away at his crabs, thought so nuff said.
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Nikostratos,

10/02/2008 21:56:36
#520 Disputer

Trying to get baby to sleep..he is not giving in at the moment..........apropos wall paper stripping .........I do believe it was putting in a new kitchen........thats what his cousin Rory told me.....Must go


the baby thats me grandson.........catch u another day


"om mani padme hum"

Om
(ohm)

Ma
(mah)

Ni
(nee)

Pad
(pahd)

Me
(may)

Hum
(hum)

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Disputer,

10/02/2008 21:57:48
Niko

Whatever you were saying, enjoy.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 21:57:52
556 AM2 you said

Picking a fight and then playing hard done by is a common nationalist tactic, but don't you think your complaint about it loses some moral authority when you coin a phrase like "SNP ape

who is this accepted by as a nationalist tactic. I think that is a perception on your part your converstation with TLC has just demonstrated that it is not in fact a nationalist tactic but a tory one.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 21:57:52
562, AMtwa.

Thank you for correcting your post at 553.

Now everyone is informed.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 22:04:22
Further to 570, I would like to say that the donation of £17,697 to a trust goes beyond the ethos of the late Donald Dewar.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 22:07:06
571, AMtwa.

What posturing. You may have been technically correct with your sums but you were economical with the facts.

As you sow, old boy, etc....
515

karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:07:50
so does that mean that westminser Mps who are ministers also get two salaries?
516

karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:09:16
how much do they get?
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:12:30
575 ah i see. however when did tlc mentioning or any other poster today mention devolving further powers.

Perhaps we should discuss then if we re going to wander why westmisnter mps can hide their expenses and the scottish parliament is more transparent perhaps that is why wendy got into so much trouble. A failure by westminster london labour to take accoutn of the fact that the rules are different.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/02/2008 22:14:45
Thatcher's Love Child

I think I've read all your posts and each has at least one sentence containing abuse towards fellow posters. Considering your main argument throughout is the abuse you allegedly receive, I suggest you read before clicking "Post Comment".

Lighten up a bit. Let's hear some real arguments and some humour instead of venom.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 22:15:15
Aye, AMtwa@577, if you wish.

Have it on me.
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:15:32
anway back to wendy and the topic. Is wendys snout in the trough i think so. For her to plead poverty when she is earning over fifty thousand pounds and expenses to travel to work is frankly appalling.
521

Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:16:06
AM2 - what do you make of Grodon Brown instructing that the constitutional commission be down-graded to "a working group" and not consider any serious further devolution of powers?
522

Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:17:40
580 we all had a good laugh at him, Does that count as humour?
523

Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:19:46
586 How long you got?
524

Thatcher's love child,

10/02/2008 22:21:53
578 Karinxx

Public opinion forced the Scottish Parliament to publish MSPs expenses. Hopefully it will be public opinion that forces the UK Parliament to publish all expenses, donors and campaign expenses.

Wonder what Wendy Alexander did spend that £950 on? Which legitimate expense for an uncontested contest that does not give the donor undue influence over her? Was it a new designer suit to look good at the news conference? Was it it a hair, makeup and beauty treatments and a pampering for a new professionally shot photo? Was it publicity to inform people whose votes don't matter anyway how brilliant you are?

Sickening decadence.
525

Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:22:13
Was AM2 lured away by the title of the Orange Film awards on Beeb1?
526

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/02/2008 22:25:53
589, Splashie.

AMtwa is lured away whenever he runs out of postulations. And whenever his copy and paste statistics are seriously questioned.
527

Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:27:26
591 he is not a hippie.....
528

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/02/2008 22:27:43
Heh heh www.stopblair.eu
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 10/02/2008 22:30:19
Tesco?

Well, Wendy held a meeting last Friday about her involvement with Tesco in building a new store in the Linwood area of her constituency.

That was just after we heard the her spin doctor got a job with Tesco Stores Ltd. And now since the Electoral Commission demanded that she show her donations/gifts we discover that she got 500 pounds from guess who?

Yes, Tesco Stores Ltd.
530

Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:31:38
594 Did she get it in cash or on her club card in points?

531

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 10/02/2008 22:35:42
If this was Salmond it would be a headline story on Scotsman, Herald and BBC but it's not. Think of Trump where nothing untoward happened at all. It's Wendy though...
532

Dunnie,

Canada 10/02/2008 22:47:20

536 - karinxx - So I take it that on top of the piano in the Officer's Mess is either a thing of the past or has it been renamed the "Piano Bar"?

By the way, I would have thought that your moniker rated a triple "X"!
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Splashie,

10/02/2008 22:47:37
597. As well as a Standards Committee investigation into the law breaking of the other sleazy donations?
534

Dunnie,

Canada 10/02/2008 22:48:38
500?
535

karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:50:07
dunnie sorry was surfing about. i missed you the other day as well. Yes we have a new bar dunnie. you should speak to splashie about getting a pass key.
536

Dunnie,

Canada 10/02/2008 22:51:22

Well, that was embarassing! Get the century but off by a century!
537

karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:57:13
did you see this dunny.


http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/m06.pdf
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karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:58:20
604 i thought she ws meant to have updated that?
539

Splashie,

10/02/2008 23:00:27
604 Did she register 12k from Scottish Industry Forum in 2003?
540

karinxx,

10/02/2008 23:00:45
605 eh that wasnt what was meant to happen?

http://cybernatcitycentral.blogspot.com/
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Dunnie,

Canada 10/02/2008 23:01:38

Interesting. Do these totals exclude any allowances/expenses?
542

karinxx,

10/02/2008 23:01:47
607 that was bizarre i dont know where that link at 605 came from it wsnt the one i was trying to paste. very very strange.
543

karinxx,

10/02/2008 23:03:12
oh it came from AM2 hmm strange very strange.
544

karinxx,

10/02/2008 23:03:56
now try the actual lonk i meant to give you at 608
545

karinxx,

10/02/2008 23:04:44
i am beginning to feel like an episode of allo allo what with the taking down panties and lonks.
546

Dunnie,

Canada 10/02/2008 23:11:31

Will be back in 45 mins.

karin -triple X - am slightly confused by your recent postings - can't be me, must be the Glenmorangie.

547

Splashie,

10/02/2008 23:15:58
614 Only goes back to 2006. Will need to ask SPSC to look into it
548

karinxx,

10/02/2008 23:17:13
615 okay.

i gave you the wrong link the first time it was me fault.

the link at 608 was the one i meant to give you but gave you the wrong one at 605 the one you were meant ot look at was

http://cybernatcitycentral.blogspot.com/

although the other one was as you said interesting.
549

Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 23:51:12
Section 2: Categories of registrable interest (64KB pdf)

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/conduct/coc-v2-s2.pdf

Unless, of course you don't understand the rules and "seek advice" from the Clerks. By email correspondence.

Which has or has not been published depending on whether or not you believe JB.

Just a Scottish Tory trying to be of assistance!
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Deep Puddle,

10/02/2008 23:56:01
She is complying with the approved procedure for declaring income from employment which requires to be reported within "Bands".

As long as she is declaring all income from such sources.

If you want to criticise from a position of strength you really need to do your homework. Just my humble opinion.

TH4PM