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Is the writing on the wall for Labour in Glasgow?



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Published Date: 07 July 2008
DAVID Cameron will arrive in Glasgow East today to deride Labour for treating the voters of Glasgow East "like fools" and for relying on a "fifth-choice" candidate in this month's crucial by-election.
The Conservative leader will make the first of what is expected to be a series of visits to the Glasgow East constituency during the campaign.

Even though the Tories are not anywhere close to challenging for the seat, Mr Cameron is aware of how important the by-election is.

A Labour defeat to the SNP would give the Nationalists a massive boost, but it would also help the Conservatives because it would result in massive repercussions within the Labour Party and possibly the removal of the Prime Minister.

Mr Cameron, however, was keen to play down the importance of this by-election for Gordon Brown's future last night.

"This election must be about what we can all do for the people of this part of Glasgow and not about the future of any party or politician," he said.

But he was equally keen to highlight Labour's problems in the seat, which were worsened by the decision of George Ryan, a local councillor, to withdraw as a potential candidate.

Margaret Curran, the MSP for Glasgow Baillieston, agreed to stand in Mr Ryan's place, but only after the candidacy was declined by Stephen Purcell, the Labour leader of Glasgow council, and Frank McAveety, the MSP for Glasgow Shettleston.

Ms Curran's decision to stand in Glasgow East all but rules her out of the race to be the party's leader in Scotland. Her decision makes it likely that the party leadership will be a straight contest between Iain Gray, the former enterprise minister, and Cathy Jamieson, the former justice minister and deputy party leader.

Mr Gray has the support of Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, as well as a number of MSPs and is on the centre right of the party. Ms Jamieson is from the Left and has strong support among the unions.

However, Mr Cameron said it was clear that Ms Curran was Labour's fifth choice for the seat.

"Labour is treating the voters of Glasgow East like fools," he said.

The SNP also hit out at Labour, pointing out that some Labour MSPs had criticised Alex Salmond in the past for his "dual mandate" – remaining as an MP and an MSP until the next election – but they would have to change their message if Ms Curran was elected as the MP for Glasgow East.

Ms Curran has made it clear she will stay on as an MSP until 2011 if she wins in Glasgow East later this month.

The SNP's Westminster leader, Angus Robertson, said yesterday: "Labour are treating the people of Glasgow East with contempt – and the people will have their say on 24 July, and the opportunity to elect an SNP MP who is on their side."

But David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, hit back for Labour by blaming the Conservatives for problems in Glasgow East and criticising Mr Cameron, who will be touring the constituency with former leader Iain Duncan Smith, who started an initiative to help tackle the worst urban poverty in Britain after visiting Easterhouse.

Mr Cairns said: "The Tories devastated the East End in the 1980s and voted against measures to help people here like the minimum wage, tax credits and pension credits.

"Iain Duncan Smith may be sincere, but he is wrong. His party put thousands of local people on to long-term sickness benefits and was happy to leave them there.

"Labour is getting people off benefits and into work."

However, Labour also came under attack from the Left as Frances Curran, the Scottish Socialist candidate in Glasgow East, accused New Labour of "offering part-time representatives" to the people of the East End.

She said: "Desperate Labour bosses faced panic among potential candidates as one after another refused to face the voters.

"By asking Margaret Curran to stand, arrogant Labour chiefs are trying to impose a part-time MP and MSP on the area which, as one of the most deprived, needs a full-time voice in both parliaments.

"The truth is that Labour is running scared from voters who they have taken for granted for years and who are now feeling the heat of soaring prices and falling living standards.

" A vote for the Scottish Socialist Party will also be a warning shot to Alex Salmond that he needs to deliver for working people before the interests of rich business men like Trump."

Selection debacle has piled on the woes for party

IT WAS, sniped Alex Salmond, Labour's "lost weekend". The party had lost its leader in Scotland, it didn't have a candidate for the Glasgow East by-election and the Prime Minister was refusing to visit the constituency.

However, there was no indication of the furore to come on Friday night, when local Labour activists arrived at the Tollcross Leisure Centre in Glasgow at 7pm for what was expected to be a routine selection meeting for their by-election candidate.

George Ryan, a local councillor, was due to be selected in what was to be no more than a formality. But he failed to show at his own selection meeting. Councillor Ryan had faced allegations ten years ago about housing benefit fraud and had been exonerated.

He had been contacted by a journalist about these allegations last week and did not want to put his family, or his party, through that particular mill again.

Margaret Curran, the feisty MSP for Glasgow Baillieston, agreed to put herself forward and another selection meeting was arranged for tonight.

Labour leaders were desperate to avoid yet another by-election so Ms Curran agreed to stay on as an MSP if elected to Westminster for Glasgow East. Labour had to arrange a hurried meeting of its National Executive Committee to give Ms Curran the go-ahead to stand for the Commons while she is still an MSP.

The end result is that Labour will select its candidate tonight – Ms Curran – and begin its campaign tomorrow a full four days after its rivals. And, in a by-election campaign as short as this one, that four-day delay could make all the difference.

The full article contains 1052 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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Nit-Nat,

07/07/2008 00:05:02
The SNP are a cult.
2

ThomasP,

07/07/2008 00:08:08
Britain is a country who still think there a world power.
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/07/2008 00:12:09
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So are you.

Almost.
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07/07/2008 00:25:04
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Robbie 2,

NZ 07/07/2008 00:27:12
Am I missing something - here at the other side of the World by only getting the On-line editions of Scottish papers - or were these two issues not considered worth commenting on?
‘A Labour MP used almost £500,000 of taxpayers' money over six years to help run an office from his home which was staffed by his wife. David Marshall, 67, who has quit to spark the Glasgow East by-election on July 24, used the expenses to pay for a constituency office and staff.’
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1032385/Labour-MP-spent-500-000-taxpayers-money-running-office-home-staffed-wife.html
And
The speaker, Michael Martin, along with his ‘other perks’ and wife’s taxis, has reputedly:
“On 29 March 2008 the Daily Telegraph revealed that refurbishment of Michael Martin's home has cost the taxpayer £1.7m.”
That’s about four million Kiwi dollars - you could buy a lot of Smarties with that sum.
They may have been mentioned but no real debate.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 00:32:56
Hopefully the people of Glasgow East will give the Labour Party the slapping they deserve.
Since 1922 this has been a Labour stronghold and if the people do not grab this opportnity then there is no hope for them or the rest of us .
For if these trough ,sniffing carpet baggers do not get their comeuppance it will be amazing and extremely sad.
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Al Ford,

Insch 07/07/2008 00:34:55
The following report from allmediascotland.com (http://www.allmediascotland.com/media_releases/2952/eleven_glasgow_labour_councillors_under_investigation) appears to shed light on the withdrawal of Councillor Ryan from the Labour candidate-selection procedure for the by-election at Glasgow East and the apparent unwillingness of Councillor Purcell to take his place.

"Eleven Labour Glasgow City Councillors, including Councillor George Ryan, who last night suddenly pulled out of the contest to represent Labour in the crucial Glasgow East by-election, were reported to the Standards Commission on 18 June 2008 in connection with a controversial land deal in the city centre.

"The complaint surrounded their conduct in relation to the controversial attempt to close down the 150 year old Paddy's Market in the city and obtain land on which the market is currently located.

"The complaint which was submitted to the Standards Commission of Scotland by a representative of Paddy's Market traders claimed that Councillor Ryan misled the council in a report he presented to the council's Executive Committee which recommended the council purchase the head lease of the land where the market is situated and for the historic Paddy's Market to be closed down.

"The report which was presented by Councillor Ryan at a meeting on 20 March 2008, and subsequently led to the council's endorsement of its recommendations, stated that the owners of the land had agreed to provide the lease at a reduced rate to the Council. However, the forty page complaint document submitted to the Standards Commission included information that clearly indicated that no such deal had been made with the council.

"Councillor Ryan also faces investigation for other breaches of the Code of Conduct in relation to this matter along with ten other high profile Glasgow City Council Labour councillors including the Council leader, Steven Purcell.

"Paddy's Market representative, Brian Daly said:
"This mark
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Al Ford,

Insch 07/07/2008 00:36:09
"Paddy's Market representative, Brian Daly said:
"This market has been here for over 150 years, and my family has been trading here for three generations. The Labour councillors who are intent on closing us down have failed in their responsibilities as elected members to engage with us at any time in relation to this. They have, instead, chosen to make backroom decisions and bulldozer them through without any regard for the democratic process.
"The whole affair has been one of misrepresentation of the facts to the public, the media and to the council itself. We live in a democratic society yet, some of those who we trust to carry out duties on our behalf have chosen to make decisions and disregard the wishes of the electorate.
"Labour councillors refused to share vital information with other elected members from other political parties who also represent this area or include them in the vital stages of the decision making process. Instead there has been a sustained approach by some Labour councillors and council officials to make unsupported claims both in council and through the media locally in an attempt to gain public and council support for their project.
"Elected members who behave in such a way should and must be held fully accountable for their actions, and whilst it would be inappropriate for me to pre-empt the findings of the Standard Commission investigation, I believe the evidence against those Councillors involved is pretty damning. We won’t put up with the bully boy tactics of the council any longer. We very much look forward to the outcome of the investigation."

"(...) The other ten Labour councillors (who) have been reported to the Standards Commission are: Councillor Steven Purcell, Council Leader

Councillor James Coleman, Deputy Leader of the Council

Councillor Aileen Colleran, Council Business Manager Councillor

Stephen Curran, City Treasurer

Bailie Gordon Matheson, local councillor for Paddy’s Market Bailie Hanzala Malik
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Al Ford,

Insch 07/07/2008 00:37:14
Councillor Stephen Doran Councillor Archie Graham Councillor Ruth Simpson Councillor Shaukat Butt

"The Code of Conduct for Councillors forms part of the Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000

"Paddy's Market traders have submitted an alternative proposal to the landowners which, if accepted, would see them take over the head lease and to operate the facility on a community based co-operative system or trust. The Paddy's proposal details how they will regenerate the area whilst maintaining the current market community. It also places a strong emphasis on community involvement and social inclusion plans which would ensure that it continued to assist people from all walks of life."

As I have no personal knowledge of this matter, I shall refrain from commenting on it, save to say that it would appear that Labour's troubles concerning this ill-fated by-election of theirs are about to reach a whole new level of political damage for them. At least the issue is a local one, and they did want to discuss local issues in this election. Did they not?
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07/07/2008 00:38:56
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 07/07/2008 00:41:33
Come on the east end, vote SNP and get rid of the corrupt LEADERLESS labour party and finally leave this discredited union with the bancrupt english government once and for all.......INDEPENDENCE is the only answer.
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DAH,

07/07/2008 00:50:20
I see that Labour has raised the ugly specter of sectarianism in their campaigning

tinyurl.com/5sjn6h
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FrancesP,

07/07/2008 00:53:18
Is it just me or does Margaret Curran look remarkably like a weathergirl in that photo?

"Storm coming in from the East, expect it to gradually work its way down to Westminster by the end of the month."
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Darien,

Panama 07/07/2008 00:54:16
Sure hope the good people of Glasgow East will do the decent thing. Labour have proved they can't deliver a pizza. The SNP in one year have given everyone a taste of what could be. Can't wait to see Mags Curran's face on 24th July. Viva Escocia! Viva Indepencia!
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TommyKaye,

UK 07/07/2008 00:55:34
Labour MP spent £500,000 of taxpayers' money running office from home staffed by wife

David Marshall used expenses to run an office from his home which was staffed by his wife Tina
A Labour MP used almost £500,000 of taxpayers' money over six years to help run an office from his home which was staffed by his wife.
David Marshall, 67, who has quit to spark the Glasgow East by-election on July 24, used the expenses to pay for a constituency office and staff.
But Mr Marshall's office was in his semi-detached Glasgow home and he employed his wife Tina as his secretary. It is also believed he paid his daughter Christina to work from his home from the same pool of money.
A Commons spokesman said MPs can use their home as an office but only claim for additional costs like 'extra phone lines, heating and lighting'.
From 2001-2007, Mr Marshall claimed £91,000 incidental expenses provision, which is used to pay for constituency offices, plus £400,000 for staff and £11,000 for their travel expenses.
He listed only one member of staff on the Commons register - Christina Marshall. It was unclear if this was his wife Tina or daughter Christina.
Neighbours and political sources said his wife had worked for him - with Labour ex-Minister Brian Wilson saying that Mrs Marshall had worked for her husband as a constituency secretary.
Mr Marshall is said to be suffering clinical depression. Party sources said he felt 'under pressure' over the expenses allegations.
The family refuses to comment on why he spent so much on office expenses, why he ran an office from home and what family members were on his payroll.
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Pat Scot,

07/07/2008 01:01:34
Looks like labour is really worried.

If their massive majority last time now looks to be overturned by SNP or Lib Dems, then welcome another 10 years of toryism (even if they do vote SNP)
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

07/07/2008 01:09:40
London Labour have foisted Curran on them at the command of Harriet "the man hater" Harman. Talk about the electorate being taken for granted?

With an outgoing MP feigning illness as a cover for gross negligence/coruption they have an all mighty cheek.

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urban poacher,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 01:11:44
would some paper like to look into the marshall money preferably before by election. surely there must be something for nacker of the yard to look at
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

07/07/2008 01:15:50
#19 - you would think so, but it looks like the glasgow mafia and ministry of funny handshakes go way back?
He told the select commitee reporters that he did not employ relatives. It has now traspired he infact employed his daughter and his wife. His wife in a home office, in a constituency with no canvassing or supporter records , to the tune of £500000

He has been in the payroll of us the mug populace for 30 years. This party have got to be having a laugh? The sheer contempt they are showing the voter by foisting curran on them by and bypassing every party rule in the book to achieve their aims. Democracy my bum.

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urban poacher,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 01:16:21
"http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/2424205953_9e266e38c6_o.jpg " surely there should be a caption competition
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Castaway,

07/07/2008 01:29:54
#16: I presume the only one member of staff on the Commons register - his wife Tina and/or daughter Christina submitted a tax return ?
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A Better Way,

Scottish Nation 07/07/2008 01:40:47
What the hell is going on here. The media seem to be backing the London Controlled New Slavour Party, by not covering one of the biggest scandals of corruption by the enemy of the Scottish Nation. The rancid dishonesty of these TRASH Politicians is beyond the stage of just being Typical Labour Corruption.

Marshall will walk away having stolen including Pensions between 2.3 million quid of Taxpayers money.

Ryan and Purcell were attempting to embezzle millions from the Scottish Tax Payers.

Michael Martin had his house refurbished to the tune of 1.7 million plus his many many claims for so called expenses.

Between the lot of them, plus the theft by Brown and Darling of £30m for visitors for our auld yins who did their bit. £120 of our share of emergancies funding to build better Prisons. £300m of OUR Money that was to be used to drop the Council Tax levels for every working Scot. The £600m that Wee Jockee gave back to his masters in London along with the £900 that John Swinney fought and got back for the Scottish Nation.

Thats just the tip of the iceberg, of London Labours thieving from the Scottish Nation.

Glasgows Byelection is very important, but getting all these rightwing thiefs out of the trough will do more to build Glasgow and its peoples welfare. Create Jobs for many of those fellow Scots and it will begin the process of fixing up the injustices thrown upon them by two faced lying Englishmen who just happen to have Scottish Accents, because that is all these traitors to the Scottish Nation are. They steal from the poor to feed the rich donors of Labour.
As a former Labour Supporter, I think its time we wipe this digracefull excuse for a political party of the political face of Scotland.

Saor Alba
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Stepford Nat,

07/07/2008 01:56:08
18-19-20

And if it wasn't expenses, it could be big business, or both! and we wouldn't want parties subbed by big business, not even transport companies. Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it's not corrupt

www.snp.org.uk - the real alternative to
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 07/07/2008 01:58:06
The Glasgow edition of the Harare Herald is not permitting comments on the ZanuLabour attempts to hold onto its constituency of Bulawayoston East. The Bulawayoston member of the local parliament has apparently been selected without the local ZanuLabour members having a say in the selection. They will be checking fingers to see which ones have been coloured red with their own felt tip pens.
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RossA,

07/07/2008 05:02:06
One Holyrood insider said: “Steven Purcell told a colleague last night that Lesley Quinn was phoned by Gordon Brown asking her to stand. She refused and phoned Steven to alert him.

“He claims he was phoned four times by Gordon Brown over the weekend. He turned him down because he ‘saw his future leading Glasgow’. In fact, he admitted, he didn’t want to sit on the back benches followed by 20 years in opposition.”
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Pocket Dictionary,

07/07/2008 05:17:47
Why is Labour going through with this local party selection process, when everyone knows who the Labour candidate in the election is going to be? And they complain about Mugabe rigging elections.
If Margaret does win the by-election (and lets not write off that possibility)she said she will only claim one salary. Now, which one will that be, the highest or the lowest of the two?
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Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 07/07/2008 05:19:16
I know for a fact that GB did not phone Steven Purcell over the weekend, he was in talks with another big hitter from Labour to contest the seat but family circumstances led to them not standing and so he ended up with the current candidate!
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Castaway,

07/07/2008 05:58:33
It is understood Mr Brown initially telephoned Steven Purcell, the 35-year-old leader of Glasgow City Council, begging him to stand.
The Prime Minister is then said to have called Lesley Quinn, the former general secretary of the Scottish party, but this overture was also rebuffed.
Frank McAveety, a MSP whose Glasgow Shettleston constituency at Holyrood overlaps with Glasgow East, also declined the offer.
Fourth choice was George Ryan, a local councillor, but he shocked the party by failing to attend the selection contest on Friday night.
Mr Purcell and Ms Quinn were called again on Friday night, but again the Prime Minister was given a firm 'No'.
Finally Mrs Curran, who represents a large part of Glasgow East at the Scottish Parliament, agreed to put forward her name but is understood to want to "double up" as an MP and an MSP.
Telegraph 07/07/2008 http://tinyurl.com/6dqykw


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steve 1511,

aberdeen 07/07/2008 06:35:58
margaret curran this women must not be allowed to kiss babies and terrify them,she should be made to wear a warning sign
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yockel,

07/07/2008 07:11:09
It is hard to believe all these committed Labour types would put their own careers and personal advancement ahead of the Party's interest at this desperate time. Lady Curran 2011 is it?
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BK,

Cyberspace 07/07/2008 07:55:29
Well one sow has opted for a snout in the trough and the John Lewis list!
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jacquesmac,

Playing with Aase's pony 07/07/2008 08:15:57
Do I detect a sea-change within the Hootsmon?

Are they looking past the next UK General Election, The Edinburgh one (see I am not SNP biased, unlike the BBC--whit?) and the forthcoming Referendum in 2010?
Are they now seeing the scenario that the best way for Highway Tories to win the UK Parliament, maybe the only one, is to back-off the SNP, not support them though, by going for Slab.

UK wise, Cameron takes the heights but the Parliament is hung to the advantage of the SNP? In Scotland the Tories still take he-haw.

Negotiated withdrawl from the Union,perhaps a halway house before real separation, damage limitation, statesman rhetoric, etc and a new "sister" Tory Party is born in Jockland.

Alternatively the Hootsmon is beginning to realise that they are backing the donkey by opposing the SNP in blanket detail.

As for the Das Herald

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This lot have really lost the plot.
I wonder how many knighthoods, peerages, High Commissions have been promised to the Medja to get all these Labour press releases cut and pasted as independent political comment.

Finally the Slab and ZaNuLab are attempting to close down indepentant comment on the BBC, as they tried before the last Holrood Election, by blatant bullying. The are accusing the BBC of pro SNP bias-whit!

Glenn Campbell, Jeremy Paxman, Kirsty Wark, David Dimbleby, rigged meetings, Labour plants in the audience.

Anyway Douglas Fraser will soon be in the BBC balancing the bias.
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jacquesmac,

Lectoure 07/07/2008 08:18:49
#13 link now closed

Affie quick!
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 07/07/2008 08:21:55
The Labour faithful must really be enjoying this one!

Step up Doug Maughan, our intrepid pilot who spends his life on the ground writing letters to papers bravely defending Labour's pathetic record and Cllr Graham another local Labour worthy.

Now flotsam, just hang about while we make a number of desperate phone calls to ensure we don't need to pick either of you!

Now if this is how Labour treat their own members why should anybody even remotely think about voting for them?

I look forward to reading Doug's letter about how this is the right way and best for Scotland.

Finally a word of warning about Glasgow East. Labour will try and stir up religious trouble. I remember a friend of mine who was canvassing up a close in the east end. Like a true professional he had started on the top floor and was working his way down the building.

When he reached the first floor he knocked a door and a guy answered it. Seeing his SNP badge he went into a tirade about the SNP being anti Catholic then slammed the door. My friend then went to the next door and this time the guy opened the door and launched into a tirade about the SNP supporting the Pope. My friend told him to hold on a second, crossed the landing to the previous door and rang the bell. When the guy answered he said " You two need to talk" and made his way down the stairs!

Divide to conquer will be a very desperate Labour Party tactic, all those who care for Scotland must do everything we can to overcome these politics of despair and give our nation the worth it deserves.
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Ananurhing,

07/07/2008 08:41:56
Meltdown minus 17 days.........and counting!
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Senga Jean,

07/07/2008 08:50:12
The depth of Labour corruption is staggering. I thought I could never be surprised but £500,000 and Paddies Market amazed be. Margaret Curran is also false to the core. Her education and professional qualifications mean that the "fiesty" gallus tone is an act. BTW is it not amazing that in a quality newspaper bile and bias is such that alone Alex Salmond "sniped" while all other politicians merely "said". Corruption in the Scottish media demeans our democracy.
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07/07/2008 08:52:07
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:08:34
I and others has stuck with the UK through think and thin, war and peace, boom but maily bust. Now that we have rebuilt our economy after decades of effort, a few politico's want the excitment of an indpendence party. Blame it all on the union etc,etc, etc. I won't be here, its been a century - no more of these stupid political games. Most of us just want to work and get on with our lives. No more political-economic trench warfare.


My family and so many others suffered massive casualties during WWI and WWII, lost everything in the post war/imperial recovery. Yet inch by inch we have improved, entire cities are more humane and civilized than they have been for decades. Yet the squarkers are out. I want, give me more, power, power, power.

The SNP are not been sensible waiting until after 2014 for a vote. Instead they are relying on an anti-war, anti-british and most importantly an anti-america vote. Disgracefull, propaganda, poor engineering, bad science and dodgy economics.

But don't worry the SNP have a plan - cut benefits, raise taxes, increase the productin of oil and for five years enjoy an injection of capital funds.

What then? what about those who pay the tax, need the benefits and don't have a government job? I have asked this question for months now and nothing from the SNP.

I admire the USA, but Bush could have waited may be France would have turned up for the war, may be not. But those few extra months might have bought time for diplomacy and time for some more allies to turn up. The coalition of the willing was not enough that's why we are still in iraq. Yet people in America were killed, murdered, attacked. We turned up and if it costs us our country at least we go down with honor and our debts paid. Many of us are working for jobs for our guys at war 'NOT' a english/scotish nationalist temper tantum, dueto impaitience.

Alec.S coalition of the willing is not enough to see Scotland safely into independence. Alec.S knows thi
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:09:27
# 45 continued

Alec.S coalition of the willing is not enough to see Scotland safely into independence. Alec.S knows this but he will still lead Scotlands Second charge of the ligh brigade. This time into economic dependancy, small pensions and the dole que.

Please wait untill 2014, Scotland is not strong enough.
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jacquesmac,

faux-cu 07/07/2008 09:10:25
From The Independent Today


Some MPs want Mr Brown to appoint a senior minister as Deputy Prime Minister to aid a fightback. The favourites are Jack Straw and Alan Johnson.

What is wee Doogie not up to the job?

and do you think any politician with an ounce of nous would pick up the poisoned chalice, anyone wanting to be a sitting MP in 3 years time?
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Silent Hunter,

Fintry, Scotland 07/07/2008 09:13:46
I am appalled at the 'Censorship of the news' being practised by certain sections of the Scottish News Media; I have therefore written to Donald Fraser, Chief Political Editor of the Glasgow Herald, the content of which I set out below.

I would urge EVERYONE to demand that their right to comment be re-instated by the Herald.



Dear Mr Fraser,

I would be grateful if you could advise as to why the Herald is studiously avoiding giving the people of Glasgow a chance to comment on the stories arising from the prospective Glasgow East by-election.

Why has comment been stifled?

If I were of a cynical mind; I could perhaps say that it is because the Herald would not like the avalanche of anti Labour comments that you probably expect.

A sitting 'Labour' MP is caught 'fiddling expenses' to the tune of £500,000 and the silence regarding this matter is deafening from the Herald.

How does this 'censorship of the news' help the people of Glasgow to have the FULL FACTS to hand when making a decision about which Party is best placed to represent them?

I really would be interested to know? I therefore look forward to hearing from you by return. (although; I won't hold my breath)

Yours sincerely,

David Howell
Glasgow
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:19:51
# 49

How sad are you. Still fighting an empire that died in the 1940's. Are you going to blame an empire long gone when you fix pensions over a three year term in the face of high inflation?
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07/07/2008 09:26:49
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LEAL,

07/07/2008 09:35:27
Go to Glasgows East End.Have a good look around.If you are happy to see fellow Scots live in these circumstances in an oil rich Scotland,vote Labour.If you think Scotland,an oil rich country, should be able to do better,vote SNP.If you get lost before even getting to Glasgow,vote Lib Dem.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 09:36:45
45 writes:-
“The SNP are not been sensible waiting until after 2014 for a vote. Instead they are relying on an anti-war, anti-british and most importantly an anti-america vote. Disgracefull, propaganda, poor engineering, bad science and dodgy economics.

But don't worry the SNP have a plan - cut benefits, raise taxes, increase the productin of oil and for five years enjoy an injection of capital funds.”

An interesting diatribe of confusion, delusion, half thought out polemic and downright misrepresentation.

Where have the SNP published this “plan” of cutting benefits and increasing taxation?

The SNP have actually reduced taxation in as much as the limited powers of the Scottish Parliament will allow them to so, in the form of freezing council tax, and of course they voted against the Labour Party’s plan to double the rate of income tax payable by the lowest paid within society, introduced at the last Westminster budget.

You may hanker after the nostalgia engendered by thoughts of a forelock touching and cringing mass peasantry, whose main purpose was to act as the cannon fodder of British Imperialistic ambitions.

However, those of us who have had the foresight to cast these shackles aside, see a brighter future ahead for a free, confident, well-educated electorate, with proper meaningful jobs, all contributing to a fairer, well-balanced society.

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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:40:22
# 51

I read your and others comments about the future, about Glasgow - nothing. No hope, no new plan just a trust us we are different. You guys all went to the same schools, colleges, uiversities, training progams even job expereince and yet you belive yourselves to be so different. Amazing.

Wait untill after the Commonwealth Games, so the UK can support Glasgow so it has a chance after independence. After this time guys like myself and so many others will be free to help. Right now i and others are commited to other causes.

Alec.S is doing what he said he would not, taking political advantage of the war. It could have been just as easily a conservative government as a labour.

Put a plan online SNP for people to read and assess for your future options for Glasgow. SO lets see what you've got. Its time to show your cards.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:41:45
# 53

Very relevant for modern Glasgow.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:50:07
# 55 bully wee alba,Edinburgh

# 58 Freedom for Scotland,

What have your comments got to do with the modern world. All you are doing is hitting me with your 200 page histroy book. Sticks and stones my break my bones bones but names will never hurt me.

You guys simply do not accept 'INVOLVEMNT' by others outside you club, with the economy and people of Scotland. You'll leap into the abysis screaming 'save them, save the people' and you'll only charge £50,000 a year annual fees. Disgracful.
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Stepford Nat,

07/07/2008 09:50:07
55 bully wee alba

I don't have any shackles to cas aside, but if I had, I'm sure they'd be really bad shackles.

I am now awaiting my brighter future and education which no doubt will start very soon

www.snp.org.uk Let's all feel oppressed!

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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 09:52:31
Snouts in the trough preceded it all (alexander campaign financing) started the ball rolling in the constituency, and kept the mess going for Labour - couldn't find a clean candidate except Margaret Curran. If they all have their snouts in the trough except for a few exceptions then the voters in this constutency need to be put right.
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Miss H,

07/07/2008 09:53:25
1 The SNP are a political party.

Are Labour a political party any more? I am starting to wonder.

They appear to be completely dysfunctional. Even their basic procedures like selecting a candidate don't work.

There is nobody in charge, that much is obvious.

A shambles.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 09:54:16
# 59 Ayrshire­ Scot™,

Old information, old polices and i can see the exact same points on the Labour, Lib Dem and Conserative info blogs.

In fact the only policy of eal difference is the University fee issue and that one was from the Lib Dem. So why don't you isolate the SNP difeence beyound Alec.S Shout and bore second charge of the light brigade.
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Upandunder,

07/07/2008 10:01:27
People of Glasgow East who are dependent on benefits (and there's plenty of them) will, if they are smart, will vote Labour.

This is because Labour is happy to perpetuate the "benefits cycle". Labour knows damn well if it creates a big enough number of benefits claimants and civil servants in "non-jobs" like "ethnicity awareness officers" and "visible services monitoring officers" etc, it can count on these people's jobs. These people are what I call "State-sponsored voters".

The Welfare State WAS a good idea, but was intended as a safety net. Today, sadly, it has become a viable economic lifestyle.

Trouble is, these voters fail completely to understand that Labour politicians are no less snooty than the "Tory Toffs" they are so quick to criticise. One only has to look at all the Champagne Socialists quaffing their wine and decorating their second homes at taxpayers' expense.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 10:06:10
# 66 Ayrshire­ Scot™,

With respect i'm not lying. I've read the engineering plans and my heart breaks. The costs are just off this planet and will suck up every penny or cent flowing.

What matters if one or two issues are better if you burn the money. Labour just found that out, with PFI. High fixed costs, expensive design work and running costspaid out of capital. An economic charge of the ligh brigade. If you don't belive commison an independant engineer from outside the club.

You need to wait until 2014, then we have a completly different set of economic conditions.
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Alan B,

07/07/2008 10:11:23
#danielrober

"You need to wait until 2014, then we have a completly different set of economic conditions."

Are u expecting the tories to have sorted out Browns economic mess by then.
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jacquesmac,

In a vacuum 07/07/2008 10:13:01
The Spectator is suggesting that Harriet Harman is manoeuvering to take control of the Glasgow East by-election, from Laondon.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any better for the SNP

Cue music

Wagner

Ride of The Valkyries!

Was this not a theme within a film about the fall of the USA in Vietnam.

Quite appropriate then?
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Jackie Priest,

07/07/2008 10:16:06
#60 etc

DanieRober

"All you are doing is hitting me with your 200 page histroy book. "

And yet you are the one coming out with the phoney sentimental rubbish about the union somehow having something to do with your family fighting in the second world war, as if the independistas didn't have family who fought and died in the wars as much as yours did.

The difference it that we seek to recover the status of our country as a country so that we don't have to put up with worldwide ignorance of the role we played in events like the second world war.

This is what the rest of the world thinks about Britain in relation to the war, here describing the Battle of Brtiain and that most public of places, wikipedia:

France
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_d%27Angleterre

Germany
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftschlacht_um_England

Italy
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_d%27Inghilterra

Spain
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_Inglaterra

Denmark
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaget_om_England

Netherlands
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slag_om_Engeland

etc etc etc.

What people like you with your parochial understanding of things don't get is that the rest of the world see Britain as England and Scotland as part of England.

So spare us the big "my family fought in the war" routine. So did mine. And it's shocking and a disgrace that they remain unrecognised for who they were and where they came from. And it's very sad that people like you actually contribute to this without even being aware of what you're doing.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 10:20:09
# 69 Alan B

No i'm expecting the troops to have either been significanlty reinforced by our Euorpean allies or be pulled. We can not ask our guy to carry this load on our own for much longer.

After 2014 then a vote. The economy will be a lot stonger and politics moe stable. Sowhy can't you guys wait only 4 years? I don't get it.
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Alan B,

07/07/2008 10:22:38
#danielrober

Seriously the union has not worked for scotland economically. Our growth has been poor averaging less than 2% over the last 30yrs. We have lived with the disasters of labour in the 70s. The pain of the tories in the 80s and early 90s (and are still waiting on the gain). And then the incompetance of labour ever since.

Gordon Brown as chancellor failed to address the north south divide and failed to transform scotlands economy. He had 10yrs long enough to make a difference and he did not even start to address scotlands problems. Why? He was more interested in his own career and for him to be prime minister.

We could also talk about the general incompetence of labour economically. Allowing huge public sector deficits grow in relatively good times so that we are in a complete mess when the global environment turns sour. He allowed huge personal debts and ruined the pension systems with ultra shorttermism. Most of the employment growth was from public sector growth and not the private sector to support that. He allowed property prices to get out of control. The only good thing he has done is make the BOE independent. Even here he allowed the inflation rate to be on the upper side of target for 90% of the time so that when we now have a global inflationary pressures we end up way of target, with commentators talking about stagflation.

While u as a labour support will talk about how the uk has done not too badly economically under labour if u omitt the underlying problems u fail to address that scotland has continued to underperform the uk as a whole.

More importantly the uk has underperformed the small western european countries over the last decade.

Scotland either needs independence or to devolve the tools of economic governance to the scottish parliament. Problem with devolution will that include the freedom to adopt the euro if it is judged to be in our economic interest.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 10:25:50
# 71 Jackie Priest,07

Eh, what, where are you talking about. Why won't you guys wait 4 years what's so important about 4 years. You can not wait four years. Why not, what are you afraid off?

By the way i'm talking about the guys fighting now. They are doing their duty just like people did in the past wars. We do owe them, we have a debt, which needs paying. Stop pretending that this war is some how different from others.
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ThomasP,

07/07/2008 10:28:12
#74

Why should we wait another four years?
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 10:30:25
# 73 Alan B

I'm not disagreeing with you over some of these facts. We just need to wait a few years and not be driven by a frustrated backbencher, trying to out do Gordon Brown. After 2014, the world would have seen a healthy and sporty Scotland, thats the time to go. Not in the middle of a war.

Besides Labur arn't that bad and they will still be here after independance. You have to learn to deal with them. Many of the working class issue that they are talkig about are absolutely real.
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danielrober,

07/07/2008 10:32:05
To all.

I'll catch up later. Please consider a change of dates and seek independant advice from outside the club.
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Paco Luna,

Bo'ness 07/07/2008 10:38:04
#74 -76 +++

Why should we wait for another 4 years ? What will have improved in that time? Labour have been in power at Westminster for 11years now and in that time they havent even started to address the issues around poverty.
Its time . Time to kick out Labour who have been a blight on Scotland for too long . Time to take responsibility for our own future . The good people of Glasgow East can give us a lead on July 24th by booting Labour out.

At least Margaret Curran will still have her seat at Holyrood - at least until 2011.
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Gaius,

07/07/2008 10:38:24
Glasgow East deserves a full-time M.P. not a part-time M.E.P. moonlighting when she can find the time.

Gordon Brown is smugly presiding over the demise of Nu-Lab in Scotland. What about the Union? Are we indifferent about the Union which has kept the peace for 300 years?

The UK is strong because it is United. Is Germany fragmenting? Or is the German voice louder now in Europe because it united its two factions after the fall of the Berlin Wall?

It is not rocket science.

The UK is too important and successful a model to change.

Why fix what is not broken?
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Alan B,

07/07/2008 10:39:36
#danielrober

"After 2014 then a vote. The economy will be a lot stonger and politics moe stable. Sowhy can't you guys wait only 4 years? I don't get it."

Do not know why u think 2014 will make the economy stronger and politics more stable.

For me we have underperformed for the last 30/40yrs and nothing is likely to change within the current structure. So why wait with what i regard as a failing system.

My personal view would be to move to a strong scottish parliament first. (Then debate independence after that with a referendum). I want the scottish parliament to have the powers to make a difference to scotland.

It may take a while after getting these powers for scotland to get the answers right. For instance it took 8yrs for the electrate to see through labour and their incompetance. We will have vote one party and chuck them out when they fail until we get policies that actually work.

For me we need immediately the economic powers devolved to the sp. That does not need independence per se but we have seen by browns behaviour that it is difficult to work with westminster were powers are fudged. (eg while i do not believe in lit i do support the right of sp to implement it if it has the support of the parliament and not to have council tax rebate withheld).

As such i would want:
1)fiscal autonomy: would allow scotland to use the tax system to address our economic problems.
2)independent review by scottish parliament on merits of joining the euro. personally i am strongly in favour. (is the uk mature enough to have scotland within the euro zone while part of the uk).
3)competition policy: would personally like to see the glas and edin airports competing and not run as a monopoly.
4)control or our seas and regulation of oil would have lead to headquarters of oil companies being in scotlnad. There is still scope to do this.
5)regulation of electricity transmission charges. Governemtn should control this so that they can take scotland to the f
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Alan B,

07/07/2008 10:40:00
cont...

5)regulation of electricity transmission charges. Governemtn should control this so that they can take scotland to the forefront of renewables industry.
6)regulations of things like super casinos
7)full control of transport ie trains and track. Current situation is ridiculous.
8)proper scottish economic statistics.
9)also separate scottish news. while this is not directly economically related it would help. scotland for too long just hears what happens in the uk as a whole and do not get enough info facts about scotland. How many times did we hear bbc news telling us the economy was booming when we in scotlnad were actually doing badly. It amazes me the ignorance that people have in relation to the economic recession scotland suffered under brown.
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ThomasP,

07/07/2008 10:46:27
79 Gaius.

"The UK is too important and successful a model to change. Why fix what is not broken?"

It is broken. You should head south and ask some of the English about current relations. Scotland also elected a Nationalist Government with the Nats expected to make huge gains at the next elections.

And you say it is not broking...something must be wrong.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 07/07/2008 10:46:27
# danielrober.

Wait till after 2014.

So we have a morritorium. The people of Glasgow have to wait for 6+yrs,
without hope of change?

6+yrs facing premature, avoidable death?

6+yrs without the possibility of improvements in the living standards?

Yes, the Commonwealth Games may provide benefits for the people of Glasgow. But, does their happening in 2014 mean that Glaswegians should go into stasis for 6+yrs?

The greatest catalyst for breaking the political inertia that has destroyed great swathes of Glasgow would be an SNP victory in Glasgow East.
A victory for NuLabour would only mean more of the same. A bit like your take on things, danielrober, "Jam tomorrow, well in 6+yrs"!!!
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 07/07/2008 10:49:53
So, the guy leaving has a sleaze investigation hanging over him. Two of his possible replacements won't stand for the same reason. Is there a pattern here?
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Alan B,

07/07/2008 10:50:15
#danielrober

"After 2014, the world would have seen a healthy and sporty Scotland, thats the time to go"

From what i remember the commonwealth games did little for edinburgh. The commonwealth games will do little to transform scotland or glasgow economically.

"Many of the working class issue that they are talkig about are absolutely real."

Not doubting the issues are not realy but seriously doubt they have any solutions particularly in economic terms which for me is the most fundamental as it means jobs and our living standards and has a knock on effect on other things like poverty and health and the provision of public services.

"Besides Labur arn't that bad and they will still be here after independance."

I do actually think they are that bad. It would take wholesale reform for that party make itself a solution to scotland problems. Part of the problem is the fact that it would get voted in no matter how poor it was as a party. Democracy and party politics means parties need to be kicked out if they do not perform. The other problem for labour is the quality of the mps and msps are just so poor.






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Rodster,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 10:53:38
Danielrober , here's a better idea for you why don't the SNP just disband and leave the Unionists to get on with it , no checks and balances no one sticking up for Scotland , just let Westminster take good care of us the way they have for last 300 hundred years .
I am sure it is only a matter of time before USA , India , Ireland , Australia , Canada and all the other ex empire countries beg and plead to get back under the flag and Westminster
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Alan B,

07/07/2008 10:58:33
#Gaius

The problem is the union is not working in scotland interests.

What are the actual benefits of the union?

Economically we have underperformed. That is without dispute.

Politically we have seen in the last 30yrs if england vote one way and we vote another we get what england wants. That meant scotland had to endure 17yrs of unwanted tory rule.

When labour got in it was not the labour party that scotland had voted for during the tory yrs but a party who had to throw away its values and policies to appeal to middle england.

Decmocracy is about choosing ur elected representatives and kicking them out if they are viewed to have failed u. UK democracy means that is does not matter what scotland votes other than if england is split.

So where are the tangiable benefits of the union? Education and health are now with the scottish parliament. Bits of transport and the law but both are fudged.

The problem with not having powers to address scotland problems and provide solutions is u get the failing situation we have today.

I personally see the euro as being beneficial to scotland particularly with sterling interest rates being too high for scotland economy over a prelonged period of time. We cannot even consider joining as it is politically impossible in england and probably not in the south of englands economic interest.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 11:08:34
~87 Steady Alan B way to sensible and realistic a post for the Unionists on here .
You have committed heresy don't you know that ?
Repeat after me , Westminster and Union great
Scotland and Independence BAD ....very bad
.
You should know we are too stupid , too poor and too weak to have Independence . the oil is going to run out one day soon , The EU will not allow us membership , The UN will refuse to recognise us , all the oil companies will immediately leave the North Sea , Al Quaeda will move in , we will be like Albania in a fortnight , and worst of all we will never see Eastenders ever again , and forget visiting your Aunty Mary in Manchester the border will be permanently closed.
Westminster knows best
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Daveunderwater,

Young Cumbay Team 07/07/2008 11:17:04
The writing on the wall behind is

SNP ROOLZ Ya B*s

Davy M wuz here
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 07/07/2008 11:17:27
# 88 Rodster, What's wrong with Albania then?