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Iran warns of 'drug tsunami' if UN cash for patrols is cut



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Published Date: 25 June 2008
EUROPE could be hit by a "heroin tsunami" if Iran's war against drug trafficking from Afghanistan is undermined by reduced western support because of the stand-off over Tehran's nuclear programme.
British police estimate 90 per cent of the heroin on UK streets originates in Afghanistan and the British government has often praised Iran's determined efforts to stem the flow.

The UN credits Iran for seizing 80 per cent of the opium netted aro
und the world last year. Over that period, Iran says it seized 900 tonnes of narcotics coming from Afghanistan, where anti-drugs efforts are a responsibility of overstretched British forces in Helmand province.

Statistics suggest the British effort leaves room for improvement. The UN drugs and crime office says Afghanistan's production of opium – the raw material for heroin – increased from 6,100 tonnes in 2006 to 8,200 tonnes in 2007, accounting for 93 per cent of global production. Some Iran watchers detected an implicit warning over enhanced western co-operation with Iran's anti-drugs effort in the wording of a package of technological, political and economic incentives made to Iran by world powers last weekend.

One section refers to "intensified co-operation in the fight against drug trafficking" from Afghanistan.

The package deal – by the United States, Britain, China, Russia, France and Germany – is conditional on Iran suspending uranium enrichment, which the West fears could be used to develop nuclear weapons. Iranian leaders have expressed interest in negotiating aspects of the offer but are adamant that halting uranium enrichment is a "red line" they will never cross.

UN officials believe any link between supporting Iran's counter-narcotics campaign and the nuclear issue would be counter-productive, insisting that the war on drugs should be viewed as a "non-political area of mutual interest".

Antonio Maria Costa, the director of the UN's drugs and crime office, said: "We should definitely assist Iran in this respect." He said a "heroin tsunami" could hit Europe if drug action by Iran was weakened.

Iran's most senior anti-drugs official, Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam, said: "Fighting drug trafficking should not be politicised. When narcotics reach Europe, people, not governments, suffer."

But a spokeswoman for the Foreign Office in London insisted last night that enhanced co-operation with Iran's anti-drugs effort was not conditional on Tehran accepting the West's deal. "We are keen to increase co-operation on counter-narcotics," she said.

Britain has given funds through the UN to help Iran fight the anti-drugs war. London has also made exceptions to its arms embargo against Iran to donate flak jackets and night-vision gear for Iranian border forces.

But Tehran has long complained it has to shoulder the burden mostly alone, with meagre aid from the international community. Iran has invested millions in blocking trafficking routes from Afghanistan with concrete walls across mountain passes. Trenches have been dug in deserts overlooked by hundreds of watch towers.

The human cost has been higher. Iran has some 30,000 troops on drug patrols in border areas and has lost more than 3,500 law enforcement officers in clashes with armed drug traffickers in the last two decades.

"Co-operating with Iran on this and other issues is not a favour we do for Iran – but something we need to do in our own interest," said Barnett Rubin, a US expert on Afghanistan.

Iran also sees itself as a victim of the West's demand for heroin. By blocking Afghan heroin from reaching Europe, Iran says it suffers a costly spillover effect. Half of the drugs leaving Afghanistan pass through the Islamic Republic, flooding the country with cheap opium and heroin. No drugs are produced in Iran, but it is now believed to have the world's highest rate of heroin and opium addiction.

The UN estimates last year's poppy harvest in Afghanistan was worth £500 million, with a tenth going to the rejuvenated Taleban in taxes – partly to finance battles against the British.

Opium production in Afghanistan has doubled in four years, even though Washington has spent $878 million since 2001 trying to coax Afghan farmers off growing the illegal crop.

Britain valued its co-operation with Iran in the war against drugs as a valuable shared point of interest when relations were improving before the current hardline president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, came to power three years ago.

The US does not give cash to the UN to support Iran's anti-drug efforts. Unilateral American sanctions are in force.





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  • Last Updated: 24 June 2008 10:19 PM
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1

Polly Ann,

25/06/2008 00:09:35
Stiffer penalties for both selling and buying would help. Maybe imprisonment with being forced to listen to Wally & Guga rant 12 hours a day.
2

Henry II,

North Shore 25/06/2008 00:32:11
#1

That would be like finger nails on a calk board having to listen to those social mis fits.
3

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 02:30:49
Iran is making a big big mistake; they should make a deal with the trafficker and let the drugs pass thru Iran (as long as they do not sell it in Iran). It is a big business that CIA is involved in it in the South America; it is a multi billion dollar business. This would show the west that Iran can really ruin them without even shooting a bullet and turn all their youth into junkies. Why Iranians should be killed to defend the lives of the Europeans and Americans who put the Iranians under sanctions and military threat? Let the west pay for it! When the drug reaches the Persian Gulf nobody can stop it going anywhere!
4

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 02:45:53
3 Kiumars

You watch too many movies. That or you must wear a tin foil hat like Wally does. I know most of the haters here that spout that garbage knows better but there are some stupid people that might believe your crazy views about the CIA!
5

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 02:55:25
To Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi;
You either are new or very ill-nformed. Please read about the Iran-Contra affairs in the Reagan time. Freedom of information law may give you more clues when the information is allowed to reach us.
PS : Do I hate you? Yes I do. Am I wrong in hating you? You be the judge. Have you been to Iraq and Afghanistan?
6

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 03:01:33
#5 Kiumars

That's nice that you hate me. Now straiten your tin foil hate and explain how the CIA is selling drugs in South America and how are the laundering the money? I'm all ears? You are a wacko!
7

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 03:07:29
#5 Kiumars

I'm also very familiar with Ollie North. You're barking up the wrong tree.
8

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 03:16:33
Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,
It is a very long story just search the web and you will find 1000s of articles and books. BTW did you know how many Iranian police died in fighting the drug traffickers to save your ass? Over 3000 Iranian police lives a year and I think that is even more than the total number of all Brits and Americans killed in Afghanistan! Why should Iranians die for the NATO’s incompetence in controlling the drug? Iranians have given more casualties at home for controlling the drug than the whole American and British troops fighting in Afghanistan! Let the mother f…r die NOW.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 03:23:39
#8 Kiumars

No no no.. Back to your Claim that the CIA is Buying and Selling Drugs in South America. Do tell how that is happening. I'm very curious. How is all that going on with our checks and balances? Don’t be a typical left wing hater throwing out crazy lies you can’t back up… You obviously have the inside track... Do tell...
10

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 03:31:46
Nancy ;
I think anyone with two brain-cells reading your comments will be laughing at you. I have already given you a proof that was testified in the US senate and you are still questioning it! Either you are a joke or the US senate. Frankly I don’t see much difference between you two.
PS: I don’t have time for kids or imbeciles.
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Regina,

NH, USA 25/06/2008 03:51:19
10 Kiumars

Gee, You say about illegal Drugs "It is a big business that CIA is involved in it in the South America; it is a multi billion dollar business"

Like Nancy I too would like to know how? Are you reading those phony web sites again?



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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 05:13:33
#10 - Kiumars (or whatever name you use this week)

This is the article:

>"EUROPE could be hit by a "heroin tsunami" if Iran's war against drug trafficking from Afghanistan is undermined by reduced western support because of the stand-off over Tehran's nuclear programme."

Europe. Afghanistan. Iran.

You talk Iran-Contra. Don't pass yourself as anyone having ANY brain cells, just another sad dork that is only here to vent their spleen against their own impotence by raging against the US - even when they are not part of the story.
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Mikey,

25/06/2008 08:00:05
Facts have never been a redneck's strong point!

They have no sense of objectivity and just like Stalin's commies, they believe what they're told to believe!

They're not called REDnecks for nothing!
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Cerberus,

Hades 25/06/2008 08:19:44
UNODC stated that 53% of the Afghan production is transported via Iran, 33% via Pakistan and 15% via ‘Central Asia’. The seizure rate in Pakistan is 2% and 68% in Iran.

The idea that the CIA is NOT involved in drug running is simply absurd. This is a $200b industry in opium alone, with trade done in CASH. That cash must hit the banks somewhere down the line.

The Taliban eradicated the poppy fields (in areas they controlled) and were forced out by the US of A (not the local people).Now the US of A are there we have poppy production again (in the areas they control). Even Pakistani Generals are saying that the US is not taking out the poppy fields.

Cash is the oil of business and groups like the CIA and MI5 are therefore involved in the drug trade. 6 million kg of opiates can cross the Afghan borders each year under the nose of a massive military presence that, we are told, is there to prevent 'terrorism'. Either these forces are grossly incompetent or are turning a blind eye to the export of opiates.
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bill2,

25/06/2008 08:20:52
Bushco is in the drug business; why should they want to harm it? A drug tsunami would be good for them.
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Siroos,

UK 25/06/2008 09:42:21
#- Kiumars

You know as well as I that, the drug trade brings in bags of $$$'s for the Mullah and the Revolutionary guards. The UN $'s is a bonus as they use only part of it to reduce competition.

I read ALL your posts and I wish you could not be influnced so easily by the Mullahs propaganda.Then again our own misery is due to our own lack of conviction.

To fight drug trafficking is a moral duty.
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Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 25/06/2008 09:42:41
Pleased to hear Iran has a bargaining chip to use against the insane maniacs in the US government.
Let's hope it buys them enough time to build themselves a couple of nuclear weapons. Then the West will be terrified to go anywhere near them, thus ensuring peace in the Middle East.
And, instead of invading yet another Middle East country, just to appease Israel, we could go sort out Zimbabwe: now there's a country in need of international intervention.
19

Sanny,

25/06/2008 09:53:01
Kiumars
You are entitled to have a difference of opinion with Nancy, or indeed any poster, but to profess hatred defines you and your ilk. Continue to read comic books if that is what floats your boat, just don’t expect intelligent thinking people to agree with you.

As for Iran and Afghan Drug trafficking. Perhaps a simple solution would be to ban all contact and traffic to or from these countries or any country that produces or processes these killer drugs. I can assure you that if I never saw another Afghan, Iranian or indeed anyone from that part of the world I would lose no sleep – indeed it would be a blessed relief.

After many years working with Muslims of many nations I have no problem with the individuals but firmly believe their religion is an abomination that is at the root of all their problems both within and without their nations.
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MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 10:07:13
Pelosi, Daithi, and the rest of the brown shirts.

The CIA are not involved in drug running?
Who is wearing the tin foil hat now?
I suppose the British Government never sold opium to the Chinese either?
The CIA have never denied it and there has been a lot of testamony by ex CIA members and members of the US armed forces confirming their involvement.
But please do continue to deny it its not as if you have any credibilty issues to worry about.
21

Schot,

25/06/2008 10:27:01
"but to profess hatred defines you and your ilk...firmly believe their religion is an abomination"
Hypocrite.

If Nancy spouts uneducated patriotic nonsense, like denying CIA involvement in the drugs trade, then it is perfectly understandable that someone who had been to Iraq or Afghanistan would hate her. Read 'The Real Drug Lords :A brief history of CIA involvement in the Drug Trade by William Blum.

Whatever the given reason for invading Afghanistan, it is telling that the increase of opium most damages Iranians and thus destabalises a regional enemy of the US. Which is why the largest opium crop in the world is being overseen by the largest military in the world. kuimars puts the crop down to NATO incompetence, where as it is more likely to be malevolence. Unhowever if the increased opium flow to Iran isn't the deliberatepolicy it appears to be then it really is criminal negligence.
22

Moreen,

Scotsdale, AZ 25/06/2008 10:55:40
14 Guga

I see the wee man with the tiny fella is sprinkling truth with his lies again. Of course the CIA will provide arms to the county that benifits us the most, then you have have to go and throw a lie in there about the CIA is in the Drug business.
23

Moreen,

Scotsdale, AZ 25/06/2008 10:58:27
17 bill2 the Troll

bill2 the hater wrote "Bush is in the drug business"

How so? You left wing idiots are a hoot!
24

Moreen,

Scotsdale, AZ 25/06/2008 11:04:49
#14 Guga

You have "P" envy don't you? You know Bush is a real man and you are packing like a wee boy. They say men who call Bush a war criminal sit rather than stand while going number 1.
25

an interested party,

25/06/2008 11:21:07
this year is year 4 of the biggest opium harvests ever in Afghanistan, now ask who runs the country. then ask how hard is it to spot a crop. how hard to destroy it?

it is a multi billion $ industry and i am pretty sure the afghany farmers aint making 30 quid a gram
26

ddmc,

25/06/2008 11:29:38
they bombed a stash of hash the other week, destroyed the lot. But they cant find & destroy poppy or coca fields !

What does Afghanistan & Columbia have in common.....

They produce 90% of the planets class A drugs & have large contingents of US 'military advisors'
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25/06/2008 11:33:17
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25/06/2008 11:47:16
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Portree,

Further north than most 25/06/2008 12:11:00
29 MisterN

Troll
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Ganjass,

25/06/2008 13:23:34
The CIA have been involved in so many dodgy drug exploits it's not even funny. After their involvement to help train the terrorists of today in Afghanistan against the Russians, they where heavily involved in the transportation of heroin acros the globe. You only have to looko at the increase of opium crops after they got involved to realist something was iffy.

As for South America, no one who is well read and has sufficient intelligence to look between the lines of the misinformation we are fed, can dispute that the CIA are resposible for the cocaine pandemic and all that social ills that surround it. Just do some research on "Air America CIA" and lead on from there..
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25/06/2008 13:34:00
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Molly MacDonald,

25/06/2008 13:46:20
#26 Moreen

I've heard Guga is hung like a midge, they have been taking about that for over a year and there are photos of his little thing on the internet.
33

Schot,

25/06/2008 13:51:12
Comic Books and CIA Drug Shipments

Artistically it is a graphic novel, since Alan Moore is a genius.

Brought to Light (ISBN 0-913035-67-X) is an anthology of two political graphic novels, published originally by Eclipse Comics in 1988. Both are based on material from lawsuits filed by the Christic Institute against the US Government. The two stories are Shadowplay: The Secret Team by Alan Moore and Bill Sienkiewicz, and Flashpoint: The LA Penca Bombing documented by Martha Honey and Tony Avirgan and adapted by Joyce Brabner and Tom Yeates.
34

Al Sharpton Jr,

25/06/2008 13:55:35
#14 Guga

Guga wrote "I may have a tiny willie but Bush is a war criminal"

Guga, where are you going with this?

35

Al Sharpton Jr,

25/06/2008 13:58:29
#30 Guga

Guga then wrote in ref: #26 Moreen "I always sit, I can't get it past the zipper"
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25/06/2008 14:03:33
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Ballindarroch,

Highlands 25/06/2008 14:58:55
17 bill2

Are things slow at the communist FH site today?
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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 15:39:23
Perhaps the paranormal/conspiracy theory crowd here can explain why Europe has such a high demand for heroin?

I'm sure that you believe that 'Trainspotting' was a group of covert CIA agents used to display heroin addiction as glamorous Scottish lifestyle and Irvine Welsh is a covert CIA agent?

Why is it necessary for you people to believe that someone else, ANYONE else, is responsible for YOUR failings?

Don't you think that if people simply decided to quit using drugs that neither the CIA, or Iran, or Afghanistan or the UN would be in a position to manipulate you?

Why do you need the comfort of believing that there no longer is anything such as 'personal responsibility'?

Is dealing with your own failings too much of a challenge for you so it is easier to blame them on shadowy manipulators?

You people would eat bugs if you thought you'd get a 'high' off of it, wouldn't you. ;)
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Schot,

25/06/2008 15:56:27
Dáithí,

I have been to San Jose. It is a poor town full of crack and meths addicts. That might explain your logic.

Europe has such a high demand for heroin because it is the most addictive drug that can easily be hidden from current drug checks. That is why the previously stoned prison population here swapped to being junkies in the past twenty years. It is a vicious cycle. Once a country starts following US drugs war hypocracy then it is a slippery road to more 'Opium Wars', with the working class most at risk.
40

mike - across the pond,

you guys!!! 25/06/2008 16:04:39
all getting your news from comic books?

wait... they call them "graphic novels" now dont they... THAT makes them legit... doesnt it...

come on people...

oh and columbia, ever read national geographic??? if the CIA were so involved, they would simply cut FARC out entirely, and wouldnt be refining in the crude way they are...

but in the REAL world, FARC and the CIA are at each others throats... FARC is dealing in heavy drugs... CIA not so much...
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RGNLONDON,

LONDON 25/06/2008 16:19:58
Antonio Maria Costa, the director of the UN's drugs and crime office, said: "We should definitely assist Iran in this respect." He said a "heroin tsunami" could hit Europe if drug action by Iran was weakened.

THEN WHY DOES YOUR HEADLINE SCREAM

"Iran warns of 'drug tsunami' if UN cash for patrols is cut" ???

PLEASE KEEP TO THE FACTS AND DON'T IMITATE THE ISRAELI & US MEDIA BIAS
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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 16:22:32
Schot -

>"I have been to San Jose. It is a poor town full of crack and meths addicts. That might explain your logic.

Those were European businessmen you saw, prostituting themselves in the hopes that we here in the Silicon Valley will move our computer industries over there.

>"Europe has such a high demand for heroin ..."

...because they like it, Schot.

>"with the working class most at risk."

Oh wahh, another person that believes that the 'working class' are poor stiffs that are susceptible to whatever they are told because they aren't too bright.

Unlike you, I think that the 'working class' is a group of pretty bright individuals that can see drugs as a bad thing and are getting tired of being used by you as a tool in some sort of 'class warfare'.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 17:12:04
Interesting warning to Americans in Germany:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3439165,00.html

From the article:

"It's not easy to be an American abroad these days. Not only is your government unpopular -- the US embassy is also worried you'll be hurt by rowdy enthusiasts of a strange, no-hands-allowed sport.

The Euro 2008 has been a great tournament, but if one believes a warning issued on Tuesday, June 24 by the American embassy in Germany, the upcoming match between the Germans and the Turks could also be hazardous to your health.

The embassy's statement makes downtown Berlin sound a bit like Falluja or the Gaza Strip, but DW-WORLD has learned the potential threats run far deeper.

Many of the viewers at the so-called fan miles, it turns out, are hopped up on a liquid intoxicant known as "beer."
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Guga II,

Rockall 25/06/2008 17:28:50
I see the Hootsmon Pravda Branch and Xinhua Branch censors have removed my post. Why was that? Was it for calling the septic "rednecks"; was it for mentioning that they lost the war in Vietnam; or was it for stating the facts about the CIA being involved in gun running and drug running?

Mr Editor, you need to get a grip on your censors. I get my post removed, but the assorted rednecks who have to degenerate to attempted personal abuse of me because they can't argue with the truth, have their posts left on.

Note to the pathetic censors, please pass this message on to the Editor, and have the common courtesy to tell me exactly what motivated you to remove my post (and not theirs). You know my e-mail address. You'll find the definition of the word "courtesy" in the dictionary.



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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 17:37:15
Gug -

>"Mr Editor, you need to get a grip on your censors. I get my post removed, but the assorted rednecks who have to degenerate to attempted personal abuse of me "

Wahhhhhh!! Wahh, wahh!

You could always dish it out but you can never take it, Gug. Get a grip.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 25/06/2008 17:39:31
Guga

You have problems? They have even banned the full name of the FH site from being used in comments!

If you ever tire of all that nonsense, pay a visit!

(Watch this get deleted!)
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25/06/2008 17:47:10
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 17:55:07
#48 Finnking if this is really you

The name of the site you speak of must be banned here on the Scotsman because it is full of Trolls like Djookers and yourself that try to recruit people away from the Scotsman. Your ilk also replicate other user IDs and harrass posters here because that is what Trolls do.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 17:57:26
#46 Guga II

Why are you going around calling people "Septic Rednecks and talking about genitals" ?

Can't you just argue the facts?
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:00:12
For the past few weeks we have seen an increase of FH trolls with NEW IDs pop up Bashing the US, Brown, and Blair. Same old people just new IDs.
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57Nomad,

california 25/06/2008 18:05:56
#3 Kiumars,

K said:

"business that CIA is involved in it in the South America; it is a multi billion dollar business."

Kiumars, you say that the CIA is involved in the drug business. How do you know what the CIA is and is not involved in? Do you have an 'inside man' at CIA that feeds you the latest on a daily basis? Or, could it be that once again, stuck for a way to attach gratuitous anti-American ax grinding to a story about Iran, you simply fabricated the story out of your own imagination.

Why Mr. K. would the CIA involve itself in drug trafficking? For the money? Really? The money? Who's CIA do you thing your dealing with, Skippy. Are we talking about the Monaco CIA? The Guatemalan CIA? Wrong, wrong, and wrong. It, Kuimars, is the AMERICAN CIA. They don't need any drug money. The Senate and House give them the billions and billions they need and they get that money from the honest labor of American workers. Drug dealers, indeed!
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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 18:06:12
#49 - Ciderman

>"Your country has been involved in dirty tricks throughout the World since the end of World War II..."

1. One mans' 'dirty trickster' is another man's 'freedom fighter'.

2. If Europeans wouldn't have emaciated themselves by leading the world into two murderous wars, we'd hardly be in a dominate global position, would we?

You're living in a black pot, condemning the kettle.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:20:45
MisterN, Cere?, and Cinderman 542000 must be at least 3 of the FH trolls that are afraid to use their real names. It's too bad they have to try to ruin these threads.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:23:23
55 Who ever you are

So you are trying to censor the Scotsman and make it like your FH site where everyone agrees with one another?
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:29:05
#55 Ciderman

"If Trolls points are valid are they still trolls?"

Yes
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:31:22
#55 Ciderman

"Haven't you Americans not got an election to sort out, a presidential one, why are y'all so worried about what is being discussed in a provincial Scottish newspaper?"

If you ever learn to Multi-Task we invite you to add your comments to one of our newspapers.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:32:13
#58 IH8 censors

I think that is their plan!
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:55:31
62 Who ever you are

Check out how smart Cinderman 542000 is, she knows in CIA inside and out. How many movies did you watch to become an expert? What's the number after your name, your inmate# ? Why do you throw weapons in your comment? Like several other posters have asked, how is the CIA peddling drugs????? :) Me thinks you are squirming in your seat and threw weapons in so you might sound 1/2 correct :) The old switch and bait, right? You conspiracy Theory trolls are unreal!
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:58:35
62 Who ever you are

"you have not answered why you are so interested in what is discussed in such a small Scottish newspaper."

I must have missed that one, it's not that small and the question pertains more to you than I.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 19:25:12
65 Who ever you are

who ever wrote - "The US has peddled drugs in recent history, lied about it and used the proceeds to supply weapons where it suited the US. Why should we believe that you would not do the same again, who should we believe, you?"

What's the matter? You don’t think people can read between the lines? I guess you are going to say a small time NY City Drug dealer is the one you were referring to even though all your co-conspiracy theorist friends are talking about the US Government.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 19:32:46
66 Nutcase

Once again... How is the CIA running drugs? Do they have trucks? How do they do the exchanges? I was just on their web site and they did not mention any openings in the "Drug Running" department.

What paygrade is a drug runner in the CIA?
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Guga II,

Rockall 25/06/2008 20:04:33
#69. Check up on the activities of Air America during the Vietnam war, as well as the activities of Oliver North. Then have a look at the CIA's involvement with Noriega.

Calling someone a nutcase does not change the facts. The CIA, like your president and his administration, are common criminals as well as war criminals.

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Schot,

25/06/2008 22:46:09
75 Ardanaiseig

By trying to ridicule the evidence of CIA involvement in the drugs trade then you are either unbelievably and deliberately ignorant, or are yourself a troll. Either way you have no place in intelligent debate.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/webb.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html
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Edmond's comment,

Canada 25/06/2008 23:37:08
77 Schot

LOL !!!

I was waiting to see who would some up with the first "Wally" type web site as a source.

Your wonderful source is the highly acclaimed writer Gary Webb, the radical from the San Jose Mercury News.

The Title for those who assume things is “CRACK AND THE CONTRAS”
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Edmond's comment,

Canada 25/06/2008 23:41:02
LOL and # 77 Schot's other web site link takes you to this conspiracy theory... LOL

These articles were downloaded from the web site of the Seattle Times, since the San Jose Mercury News has removed the entire series from their web site.

Gary Webb's career as a professional journalist was destroyed shortly after these articles were published. Anyone who challenges the House of Rockefeller is persona non grata throughout the establishment.


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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 23:52:47
#66 - Guga

>"...making it one of the most despised countries in the world."

You don't understand, Guga - we WANT to be despised by guys like you.

Communist apologists, anarchist that need to feed their own massive egos by criticizing any/everyone else to give themselves a false air of superiority, NAZI worshippers and trivia fanatics, Combat 18 gang members, suicidal religious fundamentalists of all stripes -

We like being despised by the contemptible.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 00:19:22
Hidden in plain view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US

According to interviews with the main drug warlords in South East Asia and Afghanistan, the CIA are their biggest customer. This is another opium war, another attempt to destablise your enemy through narcotics. Next to none of the afghan heroin gets to the States. It's Iran, Russia, China and Europe that suffer.

The war on drugs is as false a construct as the war on terror, but after both we know have Columbian crack and Afghani heroin flooding the world. We have prisoners being virtually force fed heroin, due for release. The use of narcotics as a weapon is an intrinsic part of the Pax Americana as it was an intrinsic part of the Pax Britannia. Queen Victoria left unpaid bills for opiates at chemists around Balmoral. If you are genuinely ignorant of how narcotics are used to subdue a foriegn population then read up on The Opium Wars.
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Regina,

NH, USA 26/06/2008 00:42:18
79 Edmond's comment

That is funny! I think most of the socialist haters like Schot won't check their sources. Not he is putting up wikipedia that only has things like

Vietnam - It was widely "alleged" among various veterans that the Central Intelligence Agency was involved in smuggling this opium

Soviet Afghanistan - It was "alleged" by the Soviets on multiple occasions that American CIA agents were helping smuggle opium out of Afghanistan

Or The Kerry Committee report where hearings chaired by Senator John Kerry made allegations. We all know his agenda.

All allegations by either our enemies or by people who wanted headlines, but no proof. It’s very odd how everything is alleged :)
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Regina,

NH, USA 26/06/2008 00:43:47
82 Schot

Oh, after you read #80, look in a mirror and ask yourself why you're such a hater.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 00:53:37
Regina,

I hate you because you spread drugs and war around the world simply for the lack of an education. Your personal ignorance is as dangerous to me as the most horrid diseases.

I don't hate your country though, just the bible-smashing war-monger idiots. Like you for example.
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Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 26/06/2008 00:57:30
78 & 83

With the far left it's not about facts, it's all about putting as many allegations out there with half truths. Have you not noticed that's how Wally, Guga, bill2, Schot, and the rest of the terrorist appeasers operate. They just keep throwing lies out their to undermine our troops in hopes to get more of them killed so we pull out and the terrorists take over Iraq & Afghanistan.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 01:02:21
I personally feel the Scotsman shouldn't entertain any comments from abroad. There are just too many 'USA Today' paid meat puppets posting here.

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Schot,

26/06/2008 01:09:57
I also think the extreme far right qulaity of many american Scotsman posters is easily explainable. Racists join Scottish and Irish groups in the States simply because they are homogenously white. Few of them have genuine Scottish roots or experience.

Given there is such a divergence between right-wing US posters here, and normal Scots, can't the admin just ban them by IP address ? They don't buy your paper, we do.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 26/06/2008 01:46:55
#87 Schot the censor

I pay 60 pounds a year for full access to the Scotsman, how much do you pay?

I think you are just upset a few people have shown you up with your false web sites.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 26/06/2008 01:52:00
#87 Schot the censor

I bet you never use to receive Christmas cards back in the day from the Thomson Corporation.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 02:20:26
just a note..rednecks is getting overused as the word of the day. Here in America, we hear that you Scots are a bit thrifty...maybe we should be calling you "tightwads"..

Kiumads..having had a father in intelligence and the secret service I can tell you that under those letters "CIA" are lots of other departments with alphabetical names.. You, know nothing. You don't know how this gov't works, nor do you know what goes on inside these departments. You get your information from movies and tv, and you sound like an idiot.
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Cubic's rube,

Foreign parts 26/06/2008 02:24:15
#88

"I pay 60 pounds a year for full access to the Scotsman, how much do you pay?"

....You've been done. I pay only 30 quid.

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howard sutherland,

bahamas 26/06/2008 02:29:45
Lynne, it does amaze me how so many claim to know everything about intelligence services.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 02:39:49
"I pay 60 pounds a year for full access to the Scotsman, how much do you pay?"


I dunno, I buy it everyday regardless of cost for a silly reason. More than £60 a year.

"I think you are just upset a few people have shown you up with your false web sites."

Um, like wikipedia ? I think you have just proven yourself as to be so stupid to not deserve a reply, or so obviously fake that you should be challenged.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 04:01:11
Harry, you said it..their main function is to inflame and demoralize. Wally, claims to be an American, but he talks like an outsider looking in all the time. And how he hates!!. There is NOTHING good about the USA..we have rulers, who lie, cheat, and steal. (I'm sure there must be some) but ALL OF THEM? Everything is a conspiracy..
The others are appeasers and apologists who think that if we get out of Iraq, and Afghanistan..everything is going to go back to normal, and they (the terrorists) will leave us alone. ARE THEY KIDDING!!!?
They are known as terrorists for a reason..and they DO have an agenda..

Schot..here in Forida, Wikepedia has been proven to be a complete and utter failure.. to have people edit articles. They tend to put in their own ideas..to fit their own agendas, and pass them off as facts.
The schools here are not happy at all about it and some have decided that it can't be used.

And the fact that you resort to insults, because you CAN'T prove what you say, only weakens your so-called points.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 26/06/2008 05:41:05
#87 - Schot

>"Given there is such a divergence between right-wing US posters here, and normal Scots..."

I realize that diverging opinions threaten you and that you'd prefer not to allow people to express them, I'm sure that you support governments that support your position; ie, totalitarian.

- but in America the people have a "Right of Free Speech" and frankly, I believe 'real Scots' do to - so that rules YOU out.

>"..., can't the admin just ban them by IP address ?"

The last guy to suggest that was 'Suck McCrunchie' over 4 months ago. He was so stupid that he was advertising a 'IP4 Security site' in his location banner; a site to protect the identities of Internet posters - while at the same time demanding that "The Scotsman" POST THEM!

You match the profile, Schot.

It's not flattering. But it is correct.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 26/06/2008 08:11:25
#90 Lynne,Palm Beach Gardens - "Here in America, we hear that you Scots are a bit thrifty...maybe we should be calling you "tightwads"" - Growing up in Scotland, people who were tight with money were often referred to as being "jewish" but today this is seen as nasty racial stereotyping.
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 26/06/2008 09:42:58
98 bill2

What's with the change?
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 26/06/2008 09:45:20
98 bill2

That's the first nice thing you have ever said about Jews. You should be proud of yourself.
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 26/06/2008 10:06:45
#85 Harry

Sad but true.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 12:06:19
"After an unprecedented review of internal CIA and Justice Department files, three massive reports, totaling almost 1,000 pages, were released by the inspectors general of the CIA (Fred Hitz) and Justice Department (Michael Bromwich). ...According to the reports, the CIA made conscious use of major traffickers as agents, contractors and assets. It maintained good relations with Contras it knew to be working with drug traffickers. It protected traffickers which the Justice Department was trying to prosecute, sometimes by suppressing or denying the existence of information. This protection extended to major Drug Enforcement Agency targets considered to be among the top smugglers of cocaine into this country" - San Fransican Chronicle
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 17:49:45
#97...so is the word Redneck
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57Nomad,

california ` 26/06/2008 17:49:58
#56 Cman

C'man said:

"Your are right, if the US had entered both wars earlier the carnage might not have been so great. Perhaps 6,000,000 Jews might not have been sacrificed to US imperialist needs. Instead the US sat on the sidelines and entered the war when the decisive battles had been fought and the protagonists exhausted."

Which war are you talking about? Can't be the Second World War. As you well know that war came about when Hitler invaded Poland. GB was obliged by terms of their treaty with Poland to declare war. Not many months before Britain and France strong-armed Czechoslovakia into forking over the Sudetenland. France and GB didn't think the forceful grabbing of others land was worth fighting for did they? They gave Hitler everything he wanted and held his coat when he hijacked part of Czechoslovakia.

So, going to war to protect the national sovereignty of European nations wasn't considered to be worth it, was it? GB and France we're doing everything they could to avoid having to fight the Germans so no one is too impressed with the snide, 'sat on the sidelines' cheap shot. The remark about 6 million Jews being sacrificed to satisfy American imperial ambitions is simply a collection of words, void of meaning and content. The carnage in Europe and the Holocaust are purely European in their genesis. Don't even think about trying to lay that on us, puke.

The Russians liberated Eastern Europe from the Nazis, and reenslaved it to Stalinism. When the war was over the US possessed the mightiest armed forces on earth and if we wanted to we could have claimed anything we wanted to in Europe and there isn't a damn thing anybody could have done about it. Instead we asked for a few plots of land to lay the bodies of our soldiers. You're a vile little guttersnipe aren't you? US imperialist ambitions, indeed!
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57Nomad,

california 26/06/2008 23:30:49
/#105 VG

VG said:

"The Soviet Army alone had over 10 million men under arms in 1945 with equipment which in many cases was superior to US equipment (the JS II tanks would have made short work of the US Army's Shermans with the T-34 being at least a match).
Where do you Americans get your ideas from?"

This is actually a very good question and absolutely no offense taken at the shot at the end. I do that all the time myself. If you see a post by Linus, for instance, please ask him to read your post because the 'addressing the issues and ideas' thing which you handled with ease has yet to register with him. Your post was, IMHO, well done.

I probably should have been more clear but if you will re-read my post you will see that I consigned the liberation-turned-conquest to the Russians and referenced it by mentioning that they didn't leave. My observations concerned western Europe. And, just as the Russians didn't leave eastern Europe, we could not have been forced out of western Europe had we been the imperialists that the US is referred to ad nauseam, we could have done the same.

As for Russian tanks, out gunning a Sherman is no big deal, everybodys tanks could outgun a sherman. That doesn't mean they would have prevailed. The Germans had better tanks than anyone and they were routinely defeated by Shermans by coordinated attack.

But what I said about the mightiest armed forces is absolutely true. The Russians had a big army but no navy or airforce to speak of. The combined weight of American arms was certainly greater than that of the Russians at the close of the war.

Thank you again for your excellent post, much appreciated.

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bilI,

england 27/06/2008 00:13:55
105 Vehm Gericht

57Nomad is correct, deal with it.
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Schot,

27/06/2008 02:31:02
The US occupation has achieved the highest ever output of Afghani heroin. Such a massive increase in production can't have come without sizable investment. All under the eyes and drones of the most technologically advanced military ever. Odd.


Afghan opium
2000 - 82,000 hectares
2001 - 8,000 hectares
2007- 193,000 hectares

http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2008/WDR_2008_eng_web.pdf
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SouthernGent,

27/06/2008 04:21:01
Two quick points to add:

If Iran is "confiscating" 80% of the drugs, what might they be doing with it? Do you people not think that Iran is capable of playing the drug game as well as any other country mentioned above? Please!!!!

As for the Russian army at the end of WW2. The allies were suppling them to keep them from collapsing on the eastern front. Do a little research - they didn't even have boots for their troops to make it through the winter. An army is nothing without supplies.
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57Nomad,

california 27/06/2008 06:25:53
#108 shot

shot said:

"The US occupation has achieved the highest ever output of Afghani heroin."

Umm, I think you mean Afghani opium, not heroin. Secondly, you provide no positive link between the liberation of Afghanistan and increased opium production. The fact is that the opium growing regions are the only place in Afghanistan where the taleban operate in relative safety. It is the Taleban, not the allies that are responsible for the increase in opium production. Nice try, though.
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Schot,

27/06/2008 11:44:59
"Do you people not think that Iran is capable of playing the drug game as well as any other country mentioned above?"

No, Iran is less able 'to play the drugs game'. For a start, it's religious police would have anyone who tried that. Secondly, it is the country that suffers most from Afghan opium production. Apart from the thousands of border guards killed, the number of traffickers hanged and the huge number of addicts they suffer, then complicity seems impossible. However the CIA admit they are complicit in the drugs trade so why ignore the fact that this is a US sponsored crop ?

"It is the Taleban, not the allies that are responsible for the increase in opium production. "

If patriotism is merely blindly defending your country in the face of overwhelming evidence, then you are a true patriot.

Taliban in power - 8,000 hectares
US in power - 193,000 hectares

Your contention this is happening without the compliance of the US is naive at best. Bear in mind I have already linked to a CIA report on CIA complicity in the drugs trade. This massive opium crop is perfectly visible from the air for most of the year. There is no legitimate excuse for an occupying power failing to provide enough security to stop this crop.
If they won't stop the opium, as the Taleban did, then they shouldn't be occupying the country. Did you know that failing to provide security in an occupied country is itself a war-crime ?
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Cubic's rube,

Foreign parts 27/06/2008 14:50:35
One would imagine a few Agent Orange sorties over the poppy crops would sort them out quick smart.

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SouthernGent,

27/06/2008 22:25:02
#114
"No, Iran is less able 'to play the drugs game'. For a start, it's religious police would have anyone who tried that"

Please tell me you are not that naive. It would probably be the "religious police" that are selling to the black market. These "games" are being played all over the world, and every country has its "players", but you and I will never know about 90% of what truly happens "on the board".
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Schot,

27/06/2008 22:39:08
I think it is naive to try to blame the major victim of the heroin trade ( undoubtedly Iran) on fuelling the problem. I think if Iran did want to increase the drugs trade then they would have invaded Afghanitan and increased opium production 2000%.

185,000 extra hectares of opium in Afghanistan equates to misery along the trade route. Most especially in Iran, but a certain percentage of that will reach Edinburgh. Remember when Edinburgh was 'the AIDS capital of Europe' ? That was down to junkies on a far smaller crop. Things are about to get much worse.

If an american agent wants to ship drugs, then he has only to convince himself he will not be prosecuted for it. And given the long and admitted history of CIA drug smuggling then prosecution is unlikely.

If an Iranian agent wanted to supply drugs then they would not only have to convince themselves that they would not be prosecuted, they would have to convince themselves that they would not be hung or tortured by a genuine religious zealot with power, both now and in the unstable future of Iran.

You are comparing your invented myth of Iran as a drug-state with the fact of the US involvement, and with US control of Columbia and Afghanistan. Even amongst the most right-wing 'axis of evil' rhetoric I can find no serious allegation of Iran being a narco-state. That is wishful thinking on your part.

Of course the US does not control all of Afghanistan. They can still see all the fields from the air and have the capability to incinerate any crop they find objectionable without ground intervention.

And yet they don't.
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57Nomad,

california 27/06/2008 23:37:32
#62 C'man

The C'man said

"Whoever you are, you have not answered why you are so interested in what is discussed in such a small Scottish newspaper.
I don't care what is discussed in any of your small, regional newspapers. I am not interested in censoring, but, you and your colleagues are attempting to dissuade people from posting here by means of personal abuse.
You are attempting to mould opinion on this site by means of lies and abuse, what is your agenda?"

Not too bad, not too good either, but definitely on the right track. Although it may be true that the Scotsman is a 'small Scottish newspaper' the comments forum that all of us post to is populated by people from all over the world. It is a pleasure and a privilege to exchange ideas and viewpoints in a way never before possible.

While we are on the subject. I want to do something here that I try to do once is a while. Here it is...

THANK YOU SCOTSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thanks to all you Scots who put up with us. You are a people of great class and patience. For those of us that believe that the free, fearless, and open discussion of ideas and issues is the hallmark of a free people, we are in your debt.

I believe, C'man, that you are not up to speed on who and who does not use personal attack to smear another poster. Here is an example for you. I'm familiar with it because I was on the receiving end. Here is an excerpt from your comments.

"you and your colleagues are attempting to dissuade people from posting here by means of personal abuse."

Here is another post, one aimed at me from Linus the Minus.

"You are the biggest loser on this planet, and your sister Lynne isn't far behind. It's the likes of you that give all Americans such a bad name, we call that guilty by association. You 57Nomad, try to sound educated, where in fact it is obvious that you have no clue about anything, and you better talk to your dealer and tell him that you want your money back. Those drugs ha
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57Nomad,

california 27/06/2008 23:38:58
Those drugs have turned you into the babbling idiot that you are, and all here will testify to that."

I defy you to point out a single substantive word in this post. If you like I can show you dozens of posts just like this one. I would say that the above qualifies as personal abuse, wouldn't you? Do you think this fits your criteria for "personal abuse"?

Posts directed solely at the person of the poster are the hallmark of the aggressively ignorant. Posts that address ideas and issues are always of value even if they contain ad hominem remarks. Those can always be overlooked, while the comments on issues and ideas can be responded to rationally.




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SouthernGent,

28/06/2008 00:38:13
#118

Your missing the point. I'm not trying to build a case that states the US doesn't do things "underground" that they shouldn't. But if you think the Iranians are squeaky clean when it comes to drugs, your only fooling yourself.

Word of advice - Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see - and go from there.
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Schot,

28/06/2008 00:46:22
I would say that the Iranians are squeaky clean when it comes to narcotics, certainly in relation to the US sponsored opium crop in Afghanistan.

I say that in full knowledge that if I were an Iranian citizen then my whisky habit would have me severely and routinely beaten. In other words I am not praising Iran but defending their regime against charges best laid at the White Houses door.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 28/06/2008 02:41:42
Schot..Read this..

=International Herald Tribune" http://www.iht.com/
Iran fights scourge of addiction in plain view, stressing treatment
By Nazila Fathi
Friday, June 27, 2008

so much for the aqueaky clean Iranians.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 28/06/2008 02:44:51
*squeaky* clean
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 28/06/2008 04:23:52
AND...


: Iran's long, painful war on poppy scourge
By NAZILA FATHI, NYT
2008/06/28
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Schot,

28/06/2008 06:08:45
Lynne,

Surprising as it seems to you, most people on earth evolved from apes.

You, and the rest of the readership of the IHT, have yet to.
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Siroos,

UK 28/06/2008 09:13:53
#-123 Schot.
You are 100% wrong about Iran. One of oldest weapons to subdue a Nation is drugs. Forget about the profits in its marketing. That is the icing on the cake.
Believe it. It is true.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 28/06/2008 16:51:38
Schot..what's the matter...can't stand reading the proof.. I also gave a NYT article with that link..I guess insults are the only way to prove a point that is non-existent for you.
YOU ARE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG..and can't admit it...so go vback to sticking your head in the sand.
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Schot,

28/06/2008 17:43:18
Ah, so Iran is behind the Afghan opium crop eh ? Siroos seems to be implying the Iranians are causing the damage to themselves deliberately just to destablise their own country, but hopefully Siroos isn't of voting age.

I was challenged earlier on the thread to provide proof of CIA involvement in the drugs trade. I linked to wikipedia articles which were runbbished simply for being wikipedia. I then linked to a CIA report admitting CIA involvement.

So, where are your links to the Iranians being involved in drug running ?
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Siroos,

UK 29/06/2008 03:04:34
#- 130,Schot or whoever you maybe.

The above article is not about CIA involvement in drugs.
Have you EVER been to Iran or Afghanistan?Do you know anything about about their Socioeconomic and political structure of that region?
I can not offer you a link. There is no freedom of press in Iran- just in case you have some illusion that, there is.
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Schot,

29/06/2008 14:41:53
The above article was about the Iranian fight against the opium crop grown under the noses of the US. The article points out the US doesn't contribute any help in stopping the smugglers. I pointed out that the CIA has a long history of drug-smuggling, and that this crop is likely a deliberate attempt to destabilise Iran, but whatever the motivation it is also going to damage Scotland.

You however make the extraordinary claim that Iran is actually involved in this trade without any supporting evidence, which relegates you to being either a neurotic fantisist or a propagandist.

I know quite a lot about Iran, I know people there but I've never visited. I have visited the States but that hasn't given me any insight into the CIA drug trade.
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Kiumars,

29/06/2008 15:03:03
Siroos, UK 29/06/2008 03:04:34
Almost every International press organisation has correspondents and reporters in Iran; they cover every aspects of Iran’s news! Why do you think there is no freedom of press for the journalists (foreign journalists at least!)? Are they all lying? Are they all hiding the truth? If you were a clever journalist you would know that a reviling article from one of the axis of evil would pay for your retirement! Do you really think all these foreign journalists based in Iran work for the Iranian government? 1+1=2; do you find this equation hard to understand?
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 29/06/2008 15:10:06
We don't want to fight addicts; we want to fight addiction.
MUHAMMAD-REZA JAHANI,
vice president for the Committee Combating Drugs in Iran - the only Islamic country, according to the UN, that has coordinated efforts to fight drug addiction and trafficking
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Kiumars,

29/06/2008 15:17:50
Siroos, UK 29/06/2008 03:04:34
In one of your previous comments you said that you have read ALL my comments. Well, I have not made comments on more than half a dozens of articles here on this website in the last 12 months! I have a life and a Job! Can you tell me how you could have read all the articles and all the comments on this website (which I assume could be tens of thousands everyday!) and remember me? I am not trying to say that you are a liar but I think we both come to the same conclusion if we use our brains and logic and a bit of maths!
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57Nomad,

30/06/2008 02:23:13
#123

Schot said:

"I would say that the Iranians are squeaky clean when it comes to narcotics, certainly in relation to the US sponsored opium crop in Afghanistan."

Schot, is the message that you got from the above article is an implication that the opium trade is "US sponsored"? Or did it confirm what you have already been led to believe? In any case the notion that the Afghan opium crop is US sponsored is in violent contradiction to the facts.

In the US there is a liberal publication that springs from the hippy days, it's called Mother Jones. It's been around for quite a while and while calling it an intellectual version of Rolling Stone would not be right on, it gives you as taste of what it's like. Please go to this link:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/05/8231_record_opium_cr.html

Here is an excerpt from an article in MJ:

As the opium economy expanded, it spread corruption and empowered anti-government forces, undermining the Afghan state, leading to more poverty and instability, which in turn only served to further entrench the drug trade. Meanwhile the illicit activity has been a boon to the Taliban insurgency, which has traditionally used poppy cultivation as a lever to improve its own position. Today, the Taliban relies on opium revenues to purchase weapons, train its members, and buy support.

So, what's the deal with the "US sponsored" drug trade in Afghanistan? Care to explain?
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Schot,

30/06/2008 10:11:26
"Respected people of Helmand. The soldiers of ISAF and the Afghan national army do not destroy poppy fields," it said. "They know that many people of Afghanistan have no choice but to grow poppy. ISAF and the Afghan national army do not want to stop people from earning their livelihoods."

British military sanctions Afghan poppy cultivation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/27/afghanistan.declanwalsh
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Schot,

30/06/2008 10:16:04
"What I'm talking about is something we found out in Burma (May 1987). We found it out from a man named Khun Sa. He is the recognized overlord of heroin in the world. Last year (1986) he sent 900 tons of opiates and heroin into the free world. This year it will be 1200 tons. On video tape he said to us something that was most astounding: that US government officials have been and are now his biggest customers, and have been for the last twenty years."
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/opi007.htm
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Schot,

30/06/2008 10:17:07
From The Nation, DECEMBER 2, 1996:
Communications between the D.E.A.'s Rangoon office and higher officials in Washington reveal that agent Horn had every intention of working with the Wa people to implement Lu's proposal. But for reasons that remain unclear, the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department had other ideas. D.E.A. Sensitive e-mails state that former C.I.A. chief of station Arthur Brown "destroyed this project in one swift move." According to the e-mails, Brown delivered an early version of the Wa proposal -- signed by Lu -- to SLORC military intelligence officer Col. Kyaw Thein. When Thein threatened to pick up Lu once more and teach him a lesson in respect, Horn was able to intervene temporarily. In Horn's view, the C.I.A. destroyed a unique opportunity for a dramatic drug eradication program in the poppy fields of the world's biggest heroin producer.
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Cubic's rube,

Foreign parts 30/06/2008 12:45:39
When one considers the institutionalised corruption by huge organisations in cahoots with the Bush administration, evidenced by the gifting of oil leases in Kurdistan to cronies of the Bush family and the granting of transport, civilian security contracts etc. etc. etc. etc..... all to outfits that have profited fabulously out of the invasion of Iraq, why is it such a surprise to learn of the involvement of US government officials in the global drug trade?

While all this obscene profiteering has and still is taking place, maybe a million Iraqis have been killed, and tens of thousands of US and coalition personnel either killed or maimed.

Countless billions of US taxpayers dollars have mysteriously vapourised, a priveliged few close to the Bush administration have become fabulously wealthy and the global economy and stock markets have descended in to a worse state than since the great depression.

Food prices have skyrocketed as well as fuel and not only US mortgage holders are facing repossession of their houses but it is happening throughout the western world while the instigators and hangers-on of the Iraq invasion are sitting pretty.

Meanwhile, Bush is capturing the hearts and minds of appreciative Iraqis, as this shows:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5_vG3cYGM





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Schot,

Former AIDs capital of Europe 30/06/2008 13:15:19
I've read, and heard first-hand reports, that Iraq now has a massively expanded opium crop. Some of the crop will be coming our way.

Does anyone else remember the title 'AIDs capital of Europe' ?
140

57Nomad,

california 01/07/2008 03:53:50
#140 Cubes

Cubes said:

"Countless billions of US taxpayers dollars have mysteriously vapourised, a priveliged few close to the Bush administration have become fabulously wealthy and the global economy and stock markets have descended in to a worse state than since the great depression."

Billions of dollars have mysteriously vaporized? Vaporized? I think more people than you would know about it if dollars started mysteriously vaporizing. People receiving change from the cashier would be saying things like, "hey, this isn't one of them vaporizing $20's is it?"

Then you claim this:

"a priveliged few close to the Bush administration have become fabulously wealthy"

Here you insinuate that there is a mysterious cabal of Bush cronies who have managed to grab on to all the non-vaporizing money and have got it stashed somewhere. You know what, Cubes, I think you are lying through your teeth. You say a privileged few are becoming fabulously wealthy profiteering off the war? Well, name them. I know you won't be able to because not only do they not exist, if they did exist a dumbass like you wouldn't know about it.

As for the economy being worse than since the depression, what country do you live in? During the depression, the unemployment rate was 25%, today it's 5%, your comparison doesn't hold up does it? Its ridiculous to even say something that ill informed, don't you think?
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Cubic's rube,

Foreign parts 01/07/2008 05:40:13
142 57Nomad

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article4232875.ece

...Not all that ill informed! Are you one of the beneficiaries?
142

Dukov Norfolk,

The Palace 01/07/2008 11:27:15
#142 57Nomad:

JACKASS!
143

Siroos,

UK 01/07/2008 13:02:23
#- 133,135 Kiumars,

I do not have to explain anything to you. You know very well how many jounrnalists have been imprisoned in Iran and how many News papers have had to close.
If I have said that, I have read your posts, well, this is plain English. Your anti Western rhetoric does not wash with me.
If you represent the corrupt and anti human regime of the Mullah, go and play some other place. I do not have the time to waste on the brainwashed or the Mullahs crony. There is only ONE cure for them. Dare to guess what the cure is?
Your so called Islamic Utopia has only inflicted pain and injustice on the people of Iran.
Kiumars, I am sorry for talking to you like I have, but you must find the truth and feel the pain of the 90% of the Iranian nation as their Natural wealth is being plundered while they live under a cloud of misery without knowing what tomorrow will bring.
Things do NOT have to be like this. We could have a secular regime in Iran which can give all of us equal rights and help us walk tall amongst the league of Nations.
144

Schot,

01/07/2008 15:36:28
"We could have a secular regime in Iran which can give all of"

their oil.


I don't see Iraq walking tall in the league of nations yet.
145

Siroos,

UK 02/07/2008 13:59:10
146, Schot.

You missed the point about the Iranian regimes behaviour.

Where do you think the Petrodollars are going now? Are they using it for the benefit of the Iranian Nation? If you do not know by now, then I can not help you by providing links and ....and.

Iran is not compareable with Iraq at all.

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Schot,

02/07/2008 15:32:55
"Iran is not compareable with Iraq at all."

Well, they are right next to each other on the map, and alphabetically.

And according to the New Yorkers Seymour Hersh, they both have US special forces assasinating and bombing them.
147

Siroos,

UK 03/07/2008 14:18:44
148, Schot,

Oh my word! I am Iranian and travel to Iran twice a year at least and Seymor Hersh talks through the other orifice, SCHOT takes it as Gospel - as he wants to.
148

Kiumars,

05/07/2008 21:20:34
Siroos, UK 01/07/2008 13:02:23
You never answered my questions! You just came back with the same rhetorics!
How did you read ALL my comments here? Is that a hard question to answer? Or did you lie?

Am I a Muslim? Yes I am! Do I support my government? Yes I do! It is called democracy and freedom of expression! Do you have a problem with that?
I don’t know where you get your 90% figure from but anyone who has a brain (even a small brain) would know that we had a secular system in Iran before 1979 and it did not work! When Shah was sending weapons to Israel my family were sending money to the Palestinians to fight the Shah and America and Israel! Do you get it? 90% is only a fragment of your imagination!
PS: I don’t care how you talk to me; you just put yourself down in a public forum where you claim to advocate the freedom of speech! Do you get it?
149

Schot,

09/07/2008 23:59:59
Siroos,

My Iranian girlfriend announced she was going home to meet her family in Tehran. I said "I'll come too - I'd love to see your country and meet your parents". That was a lie, I never like meeting parents, but I would have loved to see the country. She replied " No you can't come or else they will kill you"
I said, "Your parents will kill me ?"
She said "No, the mullahs will kill us, we are not married"
I said "Oh".

I have no illusions about life in Iran now, but I don't know a single Iranian who would wish for their home country to be treated to 'shock and awe' genocide.

I have heard of Iranians who propagandise for military action against Iran. You are commonly despised by the vast majority of the Iranian diaspora - and by me.

 

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