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Iran to Holyrood: We love your anti-war stance



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Published Date: 14 March 2008
IRAN sought to ally itself with Scotland last night, praising Alex Salmond's administration for its anti-war stance and suggesting Tehran has more in common with Holyrood than Westminster.
Rasoul Movahedian, the ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran, told The Scotsman that Scotland and Iran shared "similar views" on many issues, such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and nuclear non-proliferation.

And he said there was "fertile ground" for a stronger relationship with the controversial government of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"I think that Iran and Scotland enjoy similar views on many regional and international topics and issues," he said. "The views and the position of this present government of Scotland pleased many people in Iran and enabled us to make a distinction between Scotland and England.

"We are very much pleased by the views of the present government, (which] is against the war, against chemical weapons, against proliferation, and advocates a world based on peace and friendship, which strives for wellbeing and economic progress. This provides fertile ground for further works."

The ambassador's words came on the day that families of Scottish troops about to leave for Afghanistan were briefed on the dangers they will face there.

Mr Movahedian said "of course" there was a distinction between the governments and the policies of Edinburgh and London.

He was speaking on a visit to Scotland, where he was an official guest of the Scottish Parliament. He met party leaders, including the First Minister.

Privately, Whitehall sources suspect Iran wants to try to exploit tensions between the UK and Scotland, especially with the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war coming up. A government source said: "If the mullahs in Tehran think Alex Salmond is a good ally against London, it throws up questions about the First Minister's judgment about his policies."

Sir Menzies Campbell, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats, told The Scotsman: "Perhaps it takes one ayatollah to recognise another in Alex Salmond. But seriously, the Iranian regime deals harshly with the rights of women and foments terrorism throughout the Middle East. Any similarity between that and the democratic traditions of Scotland is hard to swallow. This is an attempt to cause mischief."

Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former foreign secretary, said there could be no separate foreign policy emanating from Scotland, and he questioned why the ambassador felt the need to speak to leaders north of the Border. "I don't think the Iranian ambassador would welcome the British ambassador speaking to the Azerbaijani minority who live in Iran," he said.

"There may be some Nationalist politicians in Scotland and some Iranians who think they have mutual views. But the ambassador's comments seem rather childish."

A Foreign Office spokesman said the UK's foreign policy was also Scotland's. "The UK government has one overall foreign policy," he said. "It has made it particularly clear what that is. We want to have a long-term relationship with Iran based on co-operation, but we feel they have to meet their international obligations in relation to non-proliferation, human rights and fundamental freedoms."

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said: "The ambassador is doing no more than recognising that the party now forming the Scottish Government was opposed to the war in Iraq – as, indeed, are a majority of MSPs in the Scottish Parliament.

"The ambassador was a guest of the Scottish Parliament and was welcomed by the Presiding Officer. The First Minister met him in an official capacity, as did other party leaders. Every guest to the parliament is treated properly, and the First Minister meets every visiting ambassador – as he did the Israeli and Polish ambassadors last week.

"Certainly, in the course of the meeting, the First Minister raised concerns over nuclear proliferation and human-rights issues in Iran."

While Mr Salmond has called for Scotland to be a model country for peace and reconciliation studies, the latest praise from the Iranians will prove embarrassing, as it comes from a country constantly criticised for human rights abuses.

In 2002, George Bush, the president of the United States, famously described Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil" over their support for terrorism and their attempts to acquire weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair, the former prime minister, claimed in 2005 there were Iranian links to explosive devices used to blow up British troops in Iraq. And the US general David Petraeus accused the Iranians of mounting a "proxy war" in Iraq through Tehran-backed Shia militias.

World opinion is also divided on whether Tehran has resumed its nuclear-weapons activity, with even the Russians and Chinese watering down their tacit support for the regime.

Mr Movahedian acknowledged what he said were the "distinct foreign policies" of Scotland in his interview with The Scotsman.

"We share the same view with the Scottish Government on nuclear proliferation. We have asked for a nuclear-free zone in our region. In the meantime, we recognise the right of nations to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. My government is co-operating with the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency] for this reason."

Although Iran has faced UN sanctions because of its non-compliance with UN weapons inspections, the ambassador stressed: "We are in favour of a world free of nuclear bombs."

He defended the seizure at gunpoint of 15 Royal Navy and Marine personnel in what he said were Iranian waters last year.

Mr Movahedian hinted at tensions with Britain "since they have been involved in our domestic affairs since the beginning of the 20th century".

The ambassador cited "involvement of the government in engineering two coups d'état in 1921 and in 1953" as remaining etched "in the historical memories of the Iranians".

A PLACE AT THE TABLE

SINCE coming to power last May, the SNP administration has tried to carve out a bigger presence for Scotland on the world stage.

The First Minister, Alex Salmond, has made little secret of wanting to have greater representation around the world. Unless Scotland becomes independent, it cannot have its own sovereign embassies, since foreign policy is reserved to Westminster.

Last year, Mr Salmond incensed UK ministers when he wrote to all 189 countries signed up to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, asking them to back a separate seat for Scotland at the talks.

His letters were sent to regimes such as Iran and Zimbabwe.

He had argued that, as Scotland held a distinct position on the renewal of Britain's nuclear deterrent – Trident – it should have a separate seat at the table.

The SNP also waded into controversy at the height of the navy hostage saga last year, when the Iranians seized British troops patrolling the Persian gulf.

Angus Robertson, now the SNP's leader at Westminster, set up a meeting with the Iranian ambassador to discuss the Scottish elections, as well as the plight of the hostages.

The Scottish Government also wants to lead the UK's negotiations over fishing, believing its views are not being represented.

POOR RECORD ON RIGHTS

IRAN'S human rights record was thrown into sharp relief yesterday when Mehdi Kazemi, a gay Iranian teenager, was handed a temporary reprieve from deportation by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.

His boyfriend was arrested by the Iranian police and hanged for sodomy in 2005.

Ms Smith announced the case would be reconsidered after concerns that he could face execution if removed to his homeland.

Mr Kazemi, 19, has been refused asylum in the Netherlands and is now likely to be sent back to Britain.

The full article contains 1258 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 March 2008 8:02 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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14/03/2008 00:03:58
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Sanny,

14/03/2008 00:19:36
I get the distinct impression that this is a deliberate ploy by the Scotsman to cast aspersions on Salmond's character. More than half the civilised world are opposed to these American wars and the spread and or retention of nuclear weapons. That doesn't mean they support regimes such as Iran!
It is only right and proper that Scotland should take its rightful place at the table of the worlds nations.
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Yane,

14/03/2008 00:23:00
Well I think that Campbell has made a mistake trying to put Mr.Salmond down by calling him another ayatollah because I think this word means a 'man of god' & has connotations of wisdom.
It is a great thing to call for peace & reconcilliation. I don't see how this can be embarrassing.
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walter,

14/03/2008 00:34:46
I may not be a fan of Salmond or the SNP and I certainly do not support their core policy of dividing the UK and Scotland becoming independent from the UK.
Salmond and his party are in power in Scotland due to the fact that the UK is a democratic country.
I do not believe that Salmond or the SNP would show any support for the undemocratic dictatorial regime that exists in Iran.
British soldiers have died due to insurgents in Iraq funded by this regime.
A man is fighting deportation to Iran as he is in fear of his life from this regime due to being gay.
Nope I cannot believe that Salmond or his party would show any support this regime.
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Furchrissake,

14/03/2008 00:35:40
This is great. If it opens up a dialogue between the Scottish Parliament and Iran and away from the warmongering of Westminster Labour, then it's a great start. Only dialogue can address the different issues - not bombs.
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Mac Gill-eathan,

14/03/2008 00:45:56
Der Fhurer another fan of the British Nazi Party are we? Ya unionist lackey!! Is there a more complicit shower o sleekit wretches than the Scottish unionists? They are on a par with Vichy France they are puke!
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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 00:54:14
Star a dialogue with Iran and Salmonds pal Trump might take his cash and walk, think about it.
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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 01:06:53
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Americans take exception to most things Iranian including those that support them, not that we have reached that stage, a very clever ploy by the Iranians dont you think, this comes a week after they wanted us to play them at football.
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Edwards Legend,

14/03/2008 01:23:30
I would be disgusted if the Scottish Govt were to enter into talks with such a tyrannical regime, if the SNP entertain this notion kiss goodbye to any hope of been seen as an elect-able party.

It is dangerous to confuse anti war sympathy with tolerance of inhumane and unjust governments whatever your opinion on Iraq America or the UK govt.

Dont go near this Salmond !

The State of Human Rights in Iran: Iran is ruled by religious fundamentalists who recognize no secular rule of law or traditional concept of natural rights. Although Iran technically holds elections (from a slate of candidates chosen by the Ayatollah), they wield only as much power as the Ayatollah chooses to grant at the time.


Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance.

Women's Rights: In Iran, women can vote and run for Parliament and are not prohibited from traveling freely, but they are also subject to police beatings and torture for violating perceived social norms, are not protected from domestic violence, and are discriminated against in other subtle ways (such as inheritance law).

Racism: Arabs (who make up 3%) of the population), Azeris (who make up 24%), and Kurds (who make up 7%) are frequently subject to racial profiling and mass arrests at cultural functions. Although there are very few Jews in Iran, vicious antisemitism is also a serious problem.

Beatings, Arrests, Torture, and Executions: Iranian police tend to respond to peaceful political demonstrations by viciously beating and arresting protesters, who are then subject to further beatings, torture, sexual assault, and denial of medical treatment in prison. Iran formally executed 94 prisoners in 2005, and many more died in prison under mysterious circumstances
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macdonaj,

Winnipeg Canada 14/03/2008 01:23:33
I believe that Alec Salmond's policy on contrived wars
reflects the attitude of the Scottish people. Scots' are
against torture and Scots' are against slavishly following American wars intended to control the Middle East oil supply.
I am proud that Scotland's voice is being heard on these issues.

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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 01:34:05
I would make a distinction between Alex Salmond and some of the crackpots that post on here. Iran are clearly trying to exploit the current tension between Holyrood and Westminster and Salmond knows this and will leave well alone. Scotland is being used as a pawn by Iran.

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walter,

14/03/2008 01:38:51
Ah well it looks like some of those that support Salmond and co will align themself with anybody no matter how abhorrent as long as they are anti UK that is OK and if their funding has helped kill those from Scotland who served in the forces of the UK they don't care as they where not true Scots anyway.
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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 01:43:06
19# well said Walter, anti UK, means anti US, but they will take US cash - Trump.
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 02:00:06
19walter,14/03/2008 01:38:51

You said..."their (Iran) funding has helped kill those from Scotland who served in the forces of the UK"

Any proof?
Not Israel? You know, the rogue state who's only talent is planting bombs, blowing things up then pointing the finger at Arabs. Lockerbie, USS Liberty, 9/11 and on and on. Israel is the N01 enemy of Scotland and the prime suspects behind Lockerbie.
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walter,

14/03/2008 02:07:28
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Whatever.
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!Ya basta!,

14/03/2008 02:26:36
Of course Iran is trying to get support from wherever it can in the West and will try to exploit differences between Westminster and Holyrood. But thats politics the world over so let's not get too sanctimonious about that.

A deeper reality is that many people in Scotland (and the rest of the UK) of course opposed the war in Iraq and maybe intervention in Afghanistan (though that is less clear) and I suspect any war against Iran. In this sense the peoples of Iran and Scotland are in agreement and Holyrood should do whatever it can to prevent expansion of the conflict into Iran.

Regrading nuclear proliferation the double standards and the non-reporting of them is Orwellian. The West proliferates and refuses inspections whilst condemning any other nation (except its friends in the sub-continent and of course Israel and others it can not bully e.g. China and Russia) that seeks to proliferate. So-called non-proliferation is doublespeak and what we need is real non-proliferation. In this sense, again, most ordinary people of Scotland, UK, Iran and around the globe want the same thing.

I think we should remember that underlying all the politics, the mass of humanity want pretty much the same thing and we have to be very wary of being led down the wrong path yet again.

I sincerely hope that Iran can be welcomed into the "international community" and that mutually respectful and open dialogue can start. If Holyrood is able to initiate or facilitate such dialogue, credit to them.
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Guga II,

Rockall 14/03/2008 02:27:30
"This is an attempt to cause mischief".

It certainly is, and the attempt is being made by the unionists in Westminster, and their unionist lackeys in the Hootsmon.
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The Pict.,

14/03/2008 02:51:43
Notable that Sir Rifkin jumps in. Is he talking for Scotland Britain or Israel? After all he has Israeli citizenship.
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steve's here,

14/03/2008 02:52:43
be careful what you wish for, he may just come for a prolonged stay. closets and birkas anyone? #12 WHY do feel the need to ally with either? independence would give the choice to reject BOTH of these numpties.
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W Smith,

Middle East 14/03/2008 02:59:51
Salmond and MacAskill - THE AXIS OF WEASEL!

"The Islamic faith is one of the worlds great religions" - Salmond, September 2001.

Some of us will not forget Salmond's reaction to the incident at Glasgow Airport and his

Gullible Salmond doesn't know when he's been manipulated by muslim fanatics- THE IDIOT!

I think he's called the 'first' minister as he's always the 'first' to excuse muslim fanatics.

BTW
Salmonds connections to communists like Lyndsey German (Stop The War Coalition) and Kate Hudson (CND) can hardly be blamed on The Scotsman!
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 03:05:26
#30 chickenhawk

You mention "very tiny Israel" is that the Israel with 300 nuclear devices, and terrorists with their fingers on the buttons?

You said..."I think some of you need desperately to study the history on the Islamists"

You mean Iran? Iran has not waged a war of agression for i think 200 years or more.


NO MORE WAR FOR ROTHSCHILD'S ISRAELI ROGUE STATE!

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The Pict.,

14/03/2008 03:06:49
# 30 The Christian fundamentalists ( Bush & Co,) have murdered more people than anyone. How many innocents had to die on the first bomb run in Iraq. The Palestinians want THEIR land back. They won't get it because Israel wants to KEEP it. They use any excuse not to move on it. Where does Israel get its' warplanes, bull dozers and weapons of mass destruction from? The USA
Nobody agrees with the killings etc in the middle east. so why don't you include America. And what are they doing there anyway?
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

14/03/2008 03:12:40
Its amazing how the UK and the US try and paint Iran as some backward nation when in fact it is the complete opposite. Bush goes to the Olympics when gays are murdered in China and homesexuality is outlawed and thousands die each year through political oppresion, but because its Iran it becomes un OK.

1 million dead in Iraq.

It is probably OK fighting smaller wars than having the big ones but only if they are justified. Nice to see the US about to have a non white president perhaps. if anything sums up the US is that apartheid ended 40 years ago and its taken how many centuaries for anyone other than a white to come close to winning.

The same ofcourse can be said of the UK.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 14/03/2008 03:14:09
You couldn't script it any better:-

W Smith,Middle East 14/03/2008 02:59:51
Salmond and MacAskill - THE AXIS OF WEASEL!

"The Islamic faith is one of the worlds great religions" - Salmond, September 2001.

Some of us will not forget Salmond's reaction to the incident at Glasgow Airport and his

Gullible Salmond doesn't know when he's been manipulated by muslim fanatics- THE IDIOT!

I think he's called the 'first' minister as he's always the 'first' to excuse muslim fanatics.

BTW
Salmonds connections to communists like Lyndsey German (Stop The War Coalition) and Kate Hudson (CND) can hardly be blamed on The Scotsman!

So lets see Mr Smith, he's a Muslim loving, Jew loving (having seen the Israeli ambassador last week), commy loving uber right wing nationalist.
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 03:14:51
32W Smith, Middle East

You said..."Some of us will not forget Salmond's reaction to the incident at Glasgow Airport and his
Gullible Salmond doesn't know when he's been manipulated by muslim fanatics- THE IDIOT!"

It's funny how the Islamists manage to carry out terrorist attacks at Airports, tube stations run by Israeli security companies founded by Mossad agents.

Bostons Logan Airport 9/11 -Security run by Israel
London Tube - Seurity run by Israel
Glasgow Airport - Security run by Isreal

Glasgow Airport security is run by an Israeli company founded by a convicted criminal, an x memeber of the Mossad?

Enjoy your next flight folks, watch out for them Muslims!
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 14/03/2008 03:17:13
I always find it interesting that when ridiculous articles like this are commented upon or the article about the gay hating Rev yesterday that the Unionist trolls can't help but show their true colours:- racists and and homophobic. They seem to hate everyone other than those cast from the same mold as themselves.

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thewitness,

14/03/2008 03:32:45
38 Dougie Douglas,Brisbane

The Israelier Ambassador described the Jewish community in Scotland who believed in negotiations with Hamas as "smartarses".

Very diplomatic, sounds like something a criminal would say.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 14/03/2008 03:43:05
The witness

So he would be equally, and polarly as despicable as a Mullah?

My point is that there is a complete lack of balance in the analysis of W Smith and Co
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steve's here,

14/03/2008 03:45:05
Why is it that America and George Bush are an obsession on these boards? If Alex becomes mates with this Ahmadinejad nutter Scotland will look the fool. Alex don't take the bait! Taking an anti-war stance is something i agree with, let's not allow to used for political gain by the likes of the Iraian regime. I don't think that it was SNP's intent to appear to be in agreement with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad....that man is one sly tyrant and free speech is something his kind knows how to control
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Bob10,

14/03/2008 04:40:23
46. MacAlba:

It's fortunate then that noone has appointed you Arbiter Of Choice For Scotland!
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Bob10,

14/03/2008 04:41:59
44 & 45. The Witless.

Go to bed!
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Kiumars,

London, Israel capital 14/03/2008 04:48:48
Sanny,14/03/2008 00:19:36
I agree with you. It is a shame they call themselves Scots; I wonder why they don't use their real name? Are they ashamed of having a Jewish name?
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Snowman,

Whistler, BC 14/03/2008 05:58:29
Let's celebrate. In time with he changing of the seasons from winter to spring the Iranian New Year begins. NOROUZ means "new day" and the Persian community in Canada'a richest neighbourhood West Vancouver, will light bonfires in Ambleside Park and sing in Farsi and jump to traditional music.This year NOROUZ begins on the Spring Equinox,March 19th at 10:48pm (local time). The West Vancouver Library hosts the largest collection of Persian Literature in Canada and local residents assimilate with this rich, highly literate and proud people. Scotland should be honoured to be coupled in culture with Iran and if the alks between Scotland's leader and Iran's envoy are of peace and commonality then that's a good thing.Understand the culture before criticizing its mores' and always check out your own turf first> CELEBRATE!
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Aýrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 05:59:32
#46 MacAlba . . .a typical post from a typical Nat. Independence at all costs.
All because of a hatred of the English.

Racism is alive and kicking from within the SNP.
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dave A,

nz 14/03/2008 06:00:47
Aye but does he like Haggis?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 06:04:06
So the misogynistic, homophobic, anti-democratic, holocaust-denying religious nutters give us the thumbs up do they?
I, for one will, walk a little taller today..
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 06:09:29
Oh and shame on the posters who let the anti-semitic filth pass you by.....saying zionist instead of jew does't get you off.
So the vile Nazis who are The Pict and the Witness should take their racism and peddle it somewhere it will be appreciated, try Tehran.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:15:09
Small countries that try to define themselves by who they are NOT tend to make pretty historic blunders. See the Vatican's treaties with Fascist Italy & Nazi Germany. Then there was the Irish Free State - just about the only place in the world to send Germany a telegram of condolence after Hitler's death!

Ok cool Ireland - you showed you were not in the British corner - you made that clear. But at what cost? A footnote to history that is eternally to your discredit.

Is Fatty Gnat Salmond about to be flattered into the same mis-step? Say what you like about those bloodied and vicious iranians - they know an huge ego when they see it!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 14/03/2008 06:20:57
These message boards certainly show what creeps slither beneath Scottish rocks. Friendship with Tehran is little different to friendship with Nazi Berlin. I hope Salmond distances himself from this hand of friendhip before his new friends cut it off. They are good at that, and at stoning.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:27:24
Weel said No. 59! 'Getting stoned roond my place' has a whole different meaning where this ambassador comes from.....
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 06:32:57
Morning All-if one cuts through all the posturing and manouvering here, a few points emerge that probably unite most of us. Most people are aginst war and particularly the horrendous Iraqi conflict.Most people would support the further spread of nuclear weapons though I would question Iran's credentials is this regard. Most democrats would not like to count Iran in their circle of friends although few of us have any ill feelings toward Iranians.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:39:19
"Order in court, Order in court..."

"Thank you M'lord - I would like to propose a motion to have 'the witness' designated as hostile. No, in fact, M'Lord, please lets just agree he is a quite craazyeee!"

"Motion Granted"
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 06:48:54
63 Stephen fae Scotland,San Francisco

Your right, i am hostile, to criminals.
The people ranting for another war are criminals, and should be dealt with accordingly.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:55:40
You know I am not medically qualified but I have a wee suspicion that that's not your only issue....

Anywho - being hostile to criminals is a dangerous occupation. I suggest you not become a prison visitor, may not be your thing

By they way - what did you witness? or is your soubriquet a reference to the Kelly McGillis Harrison Ford Amish crime drama of the same name. A fine piece of 80s cinema to be sure - but to name oneself after it? I return to my original point...
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:58:13
By the by Mr (Mrs/Ms?) Witness, are we the only two up reading and contributing you think? If so I am a little worried.... I don't know if I want to be alone with you for any length of time!
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 14/03/2008 07:21:32
'thewitness' - Sorry bud but you HAVE revealed an antisemitic tendency on these boards. Your attempt to hide behind a facile critique of one strand of Zionism is very weak but would gather more respect if you were equally critical of extreme factions on all sides ... but you're not - therefore your views, as represented on these boards, is unbalanced.
Your understanding of Israel-Palestine 1940 to 1971 comes across as ignorant of many factors - selective at best. You ignore what the Hashemite Jordanians did to the Palestinians, you ignore that no Arab state has been willing to shelter the Palestinians in the same way that Israel has, you ignore that the Mufti of Jerusalem was a buddy of Hitler, you ignore militant Islam's vow to destroy Israel & so on. Now place that aside Sabra & Shatila, defying UN resolutions, nuclear arms and start to realise how complex the ME scenario is and should not be tackled with a 'fag-packet' guide to world peace handled by partisan oiks who speak politics as if they're supporting a football team.
Just remember that Israel is the size of Wales, was invaded by surrounding larger countries who then lost the wars they had started. The West Bank was taken from Jordanian hands as an outcome of being beaten. If you're conceding a return to 1967 boundaries then why not suggest that all world-conflict territories lost since '67 should be returned - try Vietnam for starters!!
Is there no penalty for waging war on your neighbour? Oh, I see, wage war then, if you lose, you get your land back. No deterrent whatsoever. Great if your neighbours are pacifists, not if they're committed to your annihilation.
If you are genuine about the plight of the Palestinian people then observe that the poor Palestinian people are being used by all and sundry, even Western pseudo-socialists, not just being 'bullied' by Israel.
Isn't it about time you woke up? Skip the cheap rhetoric and start working out how to help MAKE peace.
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donald,

glasgow 14/03/2008 07:29:40
Only the Whitehoose has more in common with Westmonster than they have with Holyrood.

I'd rather be an internationalist than a Brit.
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 07:32:07
66 Stephen fae Scotland, San Francisco (& Edinburgh)

"Witness, are we the only two up reading and contributing you think? I don't know if I want to be alone with you for any length of time!"


I dont know, i run a website and have some customers around the world and some affiliates, thousands. It keeps me up during the week. Don't you have a job to go to?







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Martha,

14/03/2008 07:34:17
While you're waxing lachrymose over the Palestinians and their culture of "permanent victim" via the stupidity of the average television journalist, how about sparing a tear for the Chaldean Christians in Iraq? This group, which is one of the most persecuted religious minorities on earth, just lost an archbishop when he, in his 80s, was kidnapped the other day. He is now dead, whether from abuse or from the stress being too much for him is unclear. Both major islamic groups in Iraq participate in harrassing and physically attacking the 500,000 Christians, who incidentally have been there for more than half a millennium longer than any muslim could boast. So while you're feeling so sorry for your fellow jihadists, Mr. Witness, and trying to blame the world's problems on Israel, I am very sure that some of the Chaldean Christians in Iraq would tell a very different story indeed.
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:34:27
My post 62 Geoff-should be "...Most people would support the move AGAINST the spread of nuclear weapons."
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Martha,

14/03/2008 07:36:12
Thomas the Apostle was the one who brought the light of Christianity to Parthia, which is what the region of Iraq and Iran was called in Roman times. That was approximately 60 AD. Or CE, if you prefer. That's how long the Chaldean Christian church has been around-- but for how much longer is anyone's guess. Woe to you who call good evil, and evil good!
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 07:36:14
Its after midnight in my current time-zone, and don't work shifts. In fact I barely shift to work!
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:37:16
61 the Witness-kidnapping our sailors last year comes to mind.
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altomagic,

Elgin 14/03/2008 07:39:04
Once again the Scotsman shows its true red colours. Mr Editor do as journalists do, try and keep a bias view on politics. A well written piece of labour anti scottish BLURB!!
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:42:18
75 altomagic-Eh? come again?
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:47:35
74-also the Iranian Embassy seige and the killing of one of our Police women.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 14/03/2008 07:52:02
#61 The Witness. You ask for at least one offence Iran has committed against British interests? Here're two:

1. Supplying weapons, especially anti-tank zoned charges, that are blowing up British troops in Iraq.

2. Obliging Britain to give sanctuary to a homosexual for fear of his execution in Iran.
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 14/03/2008 08:01:25
Is old Alec up to his old tricks again. Inviting Iranians to Holyrood to wind up Westminster. Anything to drive a wedge!
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Lisbon-Lion,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 08:04:06
YESTERDAY I RETURNED FROM MY SECOND VISIT TO IRAN AND I CAN ASSURE YOUR READERS THAT IN ALL OF THE MANY COUNTRIES THAT I HAVE VISITED IRAN IS BY FAR THE FRIENDLIEST PLACE I HAVE EVER VISITED AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MY NEXT VISIT.

BEFORE OUR VERY INSULAR PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS ON OTHER COUNTRIES OR PEOPLE I SUGGEST THAT YOU VISIT BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS.

OUR GOVERNMENT IN LONDON HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BLATENTLY LYING TO US MANY TIMES. IT WAS THE UK, AMERICANS AND THE FRENCH WHO SOLD IRAQ CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRANIANS IN THE IRAN IRAQ WAR.

I AM NOT TAKING SIDES WITH IRAN ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR SCOTTISH PEOPLE TO OPEN THEIR EYES BEFORE THEY MAKE STUPID COMMENTS.
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Unimpressed one,

14/03/2008 08:04:34
Won't be suprised to see Salmond sucking up the Iranians' ar*ses. Aferall, he did this with Ian Paisley, a man who has done more to prevent peace in Ulster than anyone else. Wonder if Osama bin Laden should get in touch?
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Boy Wonder,

14/03/2008 08:20:12
Hootsmon anti-SNP rubbish again, eh? Geezabreak!
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 08:24:26
#80 Lisbon-Lion,Glasgow

Indeed, i had several Iranian friends at Uni, one girl who i was close to was the most classy, beautiful and kind woman i have ever met in my life. She died age 24 from a brain tumour.





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thewitness,

14/03/2008 08:28:51
#81 Unimpressed one,

You say..."Wonder if Osama bin Laden should get in touch?"

Maybe you can contact him?
Don't use Skype, try a Ouija board!
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 14/03/2008 08:30:25
First it's 'Gorgeous George' and his school of diplomacy with Saddam, now it's 'Wee Eck' and his courting of Ahmadinejad.

A couple of opportunist politicians who try to make a quick name for themselves. It's my country too and I don't want my politicians 'whoring it' internationally. This isn't international relations it's forming gangs. Have we, as a nation, no sense of self-worth left. Why don't we start by making international gestures to more like-minded countries (... the Scandinavians spring to mind), or to commit and maintain a working relationship with countries who might need what we have to offer them (... Malawi).
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 14/03/2008 08:31:51
PS All Iranians who I have met have been excellent people, but people and their governments are not always identical.
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Jings Crivens,

14/03/2008 08:33:44
I don't like Salmond and his policy of achieving independence not through rational debate but through creating tension and blame with Westminster.

Never the less I don't believe he would court the Iranians in this manner. However the Iranian Government, is very astute and have made him a victim of him own policies and rhetoric to make it appear that they have an ally in the UK.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 08:35:09
"He was speaking on a visit to Scotland, where he was an official guest of the Scottish Parliament. He met party leaders, including the First Minister."

Good grief, didn't the WENDY, Nicol and Ma Broon not get the LONDON memos to not attend this meeting. The press will go ballistic when they discover that UNIONIST politicians met an envoy of the EVIL Iranian peacemongers.
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sweet76,

Coventry 14/03/2008 08:36:32
When has Iran ever had an anti war stance? They like nothing better than sturring up trouble, look at thier role Lebenon and thier support for Hezbollah.
In reality, Iran is thankful for the war in Iraq as they now have more political influence there than ever.

The day we find an alterative to oil is the day that the Middle East will cease to be headline news.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 08:39:19
#88 Jock MacSprog, taking into account your advanced years, I'll say this very LOUD.

HE MET ALL THE PARTY LEADERS.

NOW WHAT TIME DO YOUR CARERS COME IN YOU SEEM TO HAVE SPOILED YOURSELF AGAIN?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 08:39:53
#70
An interesting and thoughtful post. Thank you for sharing this information, it is interesting to hear different viewpoints in this complex and tragic region.
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 14/03/2008 08:42:57
There is an email doing the rounds that states that teaching about the Holocaust is to be removed from the UK curriculum because it offends the muslim population who say it did not happen. Is this true about the curriculum or another muslim bashing exercise? Radical Islam deserves a serve but alienating all of Islam is not a good idea unless someone thinks there will be winners after WWIII. A balance must be found.
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Joe,

Cairngorm House 14/03/2008 08:43:14
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts?
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 08:46:30
#78Rulesbutnotrulers,Federation, not separation
You said..."#61 The Witness. You ask for at least one offence Iran has committed against British interests?
"1. Supplying weapons, especially anti-tank zoned charges, that are blowing up British troops in Iraq."


The anti tank charges are planted by Mossad.

How about...
Setting off bombs, printing propaganda and overthrowing the elected Iranian government of DR Mohammad Mosaddeq.

Guess who?

On April 4, 1953, CIA director Dulles approved US$1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh." Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mossadegh. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy.
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Spanish jambo,

Zaragoza 14/03/2008 08:51:35
Come on Scotsman! You're clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel now with your SNP insults & bias. You're credibilty is rapidly going downhill with such actions. I enjoyed your paper in the past but you're treading on dangerous ground with such blatant inaccuracies. We Scottish may not be too sharp upstairs at some things but we have a very good sense of smell!!!
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 14/03/2008 08:57:29
“Comment on this story”
90 comments and not one of them appears to have read the article.
The rubbish and drivel post here really does despair me, it the 90 comments preceding this one are typical of the electorate in Scotland then may Allah and all like him save us.
There was no comment about the drivel purporting to be news and given the by-line only to be expected by the so-called journalists.
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cjfriend,

COMOX 14/03/2008 08:57:41
The antisemitism expressed in these posts is disgusting. Thanks to Dave Scott for his post. And thanks to Snowman for his post. The Persian culture is rich. My son is marrying a Persian girl. An ex girlfriend of his was also a Canadian born Persian who has witnessed women being stoned, rape, murder and other atrocities in Iran. Thankfully her Russian journalist father got her out of there when she was 14 and also spent 5 years in an Iranian jail. One of my best friends is a retired Colonel from the Israeli Army. Israel is condemned far too often for defending the small piece of land they have which is constantly under attack from terrorists--a.k.a. in most western press as freedom fighters, or simply suicide bombers. Why, when other countries are attacked, they are referred to as TERRORISTS, but when Israel is attacked they are called by other names? (Small point perhaps, but effective in shading the truth) Yes, and Palestinians are not helped by other Arab nations. The ME situation is complex. I would object to losing my family home to a Jewish family moving in just as much as I would have a broken heart and soul if my children were blown up in a terrorist attack on a bus in Jerusalem.

I am proud to live in a multi-cultural country and oh so lucky TO live here and not in a war-torn area. I teach English as a second language in Vancouver and my classroom is more effective than the UN for dispelling preconceived, stereotypical thinking about other cultures, media bias and racism. Many of my students are Muslims, some are Catholic, some Chinese communists, some with no religious affiliation, but all come with preconceived notions and biases about different cultures. In my class, we get to know about each other, and oh, my God, even like and respect each other for our sameness AND our diversity. I am proud of that. I am also proud of the Scottish heritage my father gave me, however, I am disturbed by Salmond being duped. I would not like to see the cou
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Freedom for Scotland,

14/03/2008 09:01:10
Can any of the unionists tell me what the difference between the Scots having dialogue with Iran and the Brits rolling out the the red carpet for China is?

Both are odious regimes but they nevertheless exist in the real world. Only by exploring common ground can progress be made.

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JimC,

Kilmarnock 14/03/2008 09:06:46
Popped into my newsagents this morning to pick up our own local paper. I noticed the scotsman's front page and picked it up to have a quick scan. The newsagent came over with various magazines and I commented..scandalous absolute nonsense. He looked at me and said another customer had complained earlier and had been quite vocal about it. To my amazement he lifts up the bundle of scotsman papers and says I will sell no more, I said what todays paper, he said no I not stock it again as it upsets my customers.

I swear its true.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:07:45
When AS met the Israelli ambassador the other week I dont remember this rag trying to spin a story suggesting Scotland was sympathetic to Israelli policy.
What a transparently pathetic attempt to exploit the Islamaphobia in this country and use it to tie the SNP in with this sentiment.
And worse the SNP are correct in their anti war stance and are showing a morality sadly lacking in our present UK government yet this piece of sh*t calling itself a paper is trying blatently to undermine this honest morality and turn it into something unpaletable.
The US is gearing up for a war with Iran will the UK follow blindly behind them? I think there is a strong possiblity that they might and will this paper support and invasion? it will if it becomes Labour party foreign policy again.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:11:31
91

When was the last time Iran invaded anybodies sovereign territory? and has Iran supported any more terrorist groups than the US? has anybody supported anymore terrorist groups than the US?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 14/03/2008 09:13:26
#96 The Witness.

You are blethering! The several failed charges have been identified by experts as Iranian built.

Mossad! Proof?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:13:57
89

No this rag of a paper has taken the anti Iraq war stance of the SNP and tried to spin it as a pro Iranian stance. One doesnt signify the other but since when has this rag ever concerned itself with the truth or even objectivity when it can spin party political propaganda?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:15:48
88

And the UK establishment has always been able to rely on useful idiots within the unionist camp in Scotland to promote its agenda and propaganda your seeing a prime example of it now.
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thewitness,

14/03/2008 09:16:05
# 70 Martha,
You said.."So while you're feeling so sorry for your fellow jihadists, Mr.