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Published Date: 11 June 2008
HAULIERS have threatened to escalate their action against soaring fuel prices after staging a protest convoy between Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Some 85 lorries and a number of taxis took part in the demonstration yesterday, which culminated in drivers marching to the Scottish Parliament on foot.

David McCutcheon, a haulage firm chief who organised the event, warned that action would be i
ntensified if the government failed to cut fuel taxes.

Mr McCutcheon, managing director of Bullet Express, of Blantyre, Lanarkshire, said: "At the moment we have asked this be a peaceful protest. But that won't continue if things are not done to change the situation.

"You are talking about disruption – (lorries] coming out at 7am and going into the centre of towns.

"That's what will happen. There could even be a strike, but that's down to individual hauliers."

The protest took place three weeks before a mass hauliers' lobby at Westminster to coincide with an SNP attempt to have a fuel duty regulator introduced to stabilise prices. It also followed a demonstration by hundreds of truckers in London last month.

Meanwhile, widespread action has erupted abroad. Striking Spanish lorry drivers yesterday clogged roads leading into Madrid and other cities in a second day of action over rising fuel costs. In Hong Kong, hundreds of lorry drivers marched to government headquarters and staged go-slows to disrupt traffic.

Protesters also took to the streets in India and Nepal, while South Korean truckers threatened a nationwide strike.

Phil Flanders, the Scotland director of the Road Haulage Association, which is organising next month's protest at Westminster, said: "There is anger and frustration, and things will start getting out of hand when firms start going out of business.

"Companies are already reducing their vehicle fleets and having to pay for their fuel every two weeks rather than monthly. Everyone is struggling with cashflow."

Another of yesterday's protesters, Jim Macauley, who runs Cadzow Heavy Haulage in Blantyre, said fuel had increased from a third to half of its costs, and the firm had cut two lorries from its 16-strong fleet because of a fall in housebuilding.

He added: "People are prepared to take militant action. The Spanish are blocking roads and it will come to that here eventually. This country is heading for meltdown and a general strike.

"This is not just a bunch of truck-drivers looking after their own ends. We're out to fight the cost of fuel, which is affecting the whole economy."

However, environmental groups warned hauliers their industry would have to adjust to rising fuel prices.

Duncan McLaren, the chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland, said: "Rather than giving in to the protesters and subsidising fuel costs, the government should be investing in sustainable transport alternatives such as improved rail facilities for freight transport."

Hauliers taking part in yesterday's protest travelled on the M74 and M8 from Strathclyde Country Park before being met by Stewart Stevenson, the transport minister, at Holyrood. He told them: "We will make sure this message gets across."

Police said there had been minimal traffic disruption.





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  • Last Updated: 11 June 2008 8:59 AM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Angus Ogg,

10/06/2008 22:00:59

Back To The Future,

Care of Dithering Brown. Jim Callaghan would be proud of Gordon. Who would have thought we could return to the Winter of Discontent.

What an utter mess Brown has made of his Premiership and the United Kingdom.

Go, Man for goodness sake go.
2

jimboo,

the wemyss 11/06/2008 00:08:17
These greedy bs are out for themselves just as they were when they drove through the Picket lines during the miners strike. Ive no time for Brown but even less for these scabs.
3

Hmm ...,

11/06/2008 00:15:55
... "Duncan McLaren, the chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland, said: "Rather than giving in to the protesters and subsidising fuel costs, the government should be investing in sustainable transport alternatives such as improved rail facilities for freight transport."

Great idea Duncan - then the trucks can deliver the freight to the marshalling yards then collect it for delivery once a train has been asembled and delivered it to the nearest station to the destination.

So there would be more handling, delay while a train is assembled and delay waiting for a truck to deliver it to its destination. Next day delivery would be impossible.

At present, a single truck can collect freight from its seller and deliver it overnight direct to the buyer.

Strange thing about the Greens - their ideas are daft and a step backward.
4

truthsleuth,

11/06/2008 00:24:39
Lets be clear these Haulage whingers are threatening public safety and should be treated as the bullies they are.
They are taking their bullying driving techniques with their overweight lorries on the highway and threaenig us one and all.
We ALL face rises in costs not just hauliers in fact they have not paid their way for years and do not do so now.

Its time the police took proper action and stopped them preventing ordinary citizens going about their daily business.

5

truthsleuth,

11/06/2008 00:34:15
3 Hmm ...,

You dont know what you are taliking about
Goods arecmoved from warehouse to warehouse before they reach their final destination and many towns are having to set up transsgipment depots to transfer from larger lorries to smaller lorries.
Road haulage is using the same techniques to reduce costs that the railways did.
There will always be freight that is best sent by road but already rail is beating road in journeys over 100 miles and some traffic moves over shorter distances.
Traffic that goes to or from ports is already transhipped at the port and modern transhipment methods have minimised these costs.
Ports like Dover that lost their rail ferry service are now proposing to re open it and of course traffic across to Europe GOES BY TRAIN THEROUGH THE CHANNEL TUNNEL LORRY AND ALL.

You livre in the past much freight traffic was lost to rail throught the activities of the road haulage unions in 50s 60s etc but now (Road)hauliers are (re) to rail you should do so it would reduce your road fuel tax.
6

Edward,

11/06/2008 01:33:13
#5 truthsleuth
Im intregued
Can you explain how deliveries are made to the areas of Scotland that dont have any railway
You are correct as regards rail is effective for transporting goods over 100 miles. but in Scotland, main hubs are less than 100 miles. Such as transporting goods from Glasgow to Edinburgh or Edinburgh to Dundee. Its just not viable or possible to use rail.
As for ports, all cargo is shipped in containers, which either are transported on by truck or if going to the other end of the country, are transported by rail. Which ever way you look at it road transport plays an important part of transporting goods in Scotland and in some instances is an esential part.
Not sure why you blame haulage unions in 50s and 60s for the demise of the rail. It was actually the cuts implemented by Dr Beeching that done it not the unions
7

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Dunfermline 11/06/2008 04:39:43
#2
Whilst I sympathise with your comments, I was a proud supporter of the miners and I won't forget what these scabs did to help defeat them, this is different. It affects us all.
I fully support the action they are taking and it will escalate. Brown and his cronies will do nothing or too little too late.
Onward to independence, the end of the Union is nigh!
8

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 11/06/2008 05:39:39
A propos another message board, the chap who was going on re the SNP's promises...I know the trams budget is separate, but spending £600 million on a train set through the middle of Edinburgh surely means there is NOT enough in the kitty left to sort out school, class sizes, extra police etc ( plus widening the A 9), the money can only go so far.... and it was the Labour council in Edinburgh who insisted on the trams project going ahead.... still have not actually spoken to anyone who wants the blooming trams....... were we consulted? it was given Royal Assent apparently way back in the earlier part of the decade... nothing to do with the current fuel drama but thought I'd mention it all the same!
9

bring who on?,

11/06/2008 06:00:05
I agree with #2.Why should they get special concessions?They didn't give a damn about the miners.And they are not making a stand for us all.But for themselves.
10

Eckyboo,

11/06/2008 06:54:03
Back to 1926. It's about time the T.U.C. got all the unions with a pay grievance together and have one large strike. The Police, Teachers, Nurses, Council Employees, Civil Servants, Lorry Drivers etc etc should all unite and grind the country to a halt. Then Broon and his cronies might sit up and take notice.
11

Scotish Exile,

11/06/2008 08:13:05
If the government reduce fuel tax, they will have to add it on elsewhere, because they need our money to admittedly p*ss up agiainst a wall and secure there gold plated pensions.
Our country's finances are in a huge mess thanks to Broon.
What would happen if we all stopped using our cars and started to use public transport, the tax that is collected would be greatly reduced and it would have to be collected by another means.
12

jdships,

11/06/2008 08:13:41
6 Edward,

Absolutely correct !!!
Railways do not run along every high street or into every industrial or housing estate
As for your statement

" Not sure why you blame haulage unions in 50s and 60s for the demise of the rail. It was actually the cuts implemented by Dr Beeching that done it not the unions "

Anyone wanting proof that this is correct please consult "Hansard" - it is there in black and white !!
13

Alberto.,

11/06/2008 08:18:37
Sure oil is getting very expensive - but mainly due to Government greed (VAT & Duty).

THis greedy Government is certainly higher up the ladder than oil when it comes to classifying things we have that are 'not affordable' - and thats's not counting all their underhand dealings and their own personal financial fiddlings that are going by abusing the use of taxpayers funds!
14

scunnin,

Germany 11/06/2008 08:25:15
lets not forget the hauliers are doing this strike for themselves, not to generally reduce petrol prices
15

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 11/06/2008 08:35:04
why do they not just pass on the extra costs to the public?, if gas prices go up scottish gas passes it on ASAP-we all moan but have to pay up. These truckers have another agenda...they want rid of a labour government.
Why is no one asking these people what is going to happen when the oil runs out...are they going to sit in their trucks making engine noises?.
16

Willie,

11/06/2008 08:42:07
Another story about our oh so nice champions the "Hauliers."
When they are caught doing something wrong, people smuggling, drug smuggling or some horific accident its never them, but some rotter overseas or the other persons fault.
Now the price of fuel is escalating they always forget to tell us about the VAT they claim back so they don't pay £1.30 a litre, that we pay.
Any VAT they charge we pay not them.
Then there's Mr Cameron champion of the bosses. He forgets to remind us that the fuel duty rose by 3% above inflation from 1993 because of an escalator charge dreamt up by the Tories and abolished in 1999 by Labour. By this time the Government were used to getting the revenue to spend on hospitals, roads, schools, and perks for themselves.
I say bring on your strike, but drive the lorries yourselves, not get the poor lorry driver to do so and Phil you lead it. A spell in the big hoose would be good for you!
I'm sure other readers are sick of your constant carping. You couldn't save our ferry link to the Continent despite all your promises, and that of the hauliers.
One thing is certain whatever they do we the private motorist will continue to bear the costs and the hauliers will continue to rake in the profits, whilst complaining they're hard done by!!
17

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 11/06/2008 08:48:25
#3 Hmm ...

Tesco have recently announced that they are replacing the present road transport of goods to their Highlands stores by rail from the autumn. I don't think anyone could accuse Tesco of being green, but it is a step in the right direction.
18

Mystic Swordsman,

on the job 11/06/2008 09:32:29
Maybe the recent high price of oil has got more to do with false demand created by investors/spectulators/hedge fund punters. Consumer demand hasn't increased that much in the last 6 months and the cost of extraction hasn't increased so much either. Greedy money being shifted from the screwed up sub prime mortgage market to screw up the oil market now?
19

scunnin,

Germany 11/06/2008 09:41:57
Maybe we all should invest in oil and watch our money come back to us!
20

geekpie,

forfar 11/06/2008 09:54:10
I hope petrol and oil prices keep rising, and the 2p increase in duty goes ahead. There are too many cars on the roads. Children can't walk to school safely any more.
21

Robin Brittain,

Wolverhampton 11/06/2008 10:06:18
Brown has publicly stated that the duty take by the government has not increased but fails to mention the increase in VAT which is levied on fuel and increases as the cost rises. We are told that the price of oil is rising due to demand especially from China. If this is the case perhaps we should reduce demand from China by imposing import tariffs on what they export to us. We are in danger of exchanging our wealth for their poverty. As a managing director of a company supplying the construction industry I am loathe to advocate any disruptive action on fuel prices which could bring business to a standstill but thats what my business is facing now due to a lack of demand. Housebuilding has virtually stopped with thousands being laid off. I applaud the actions of the Scottish haulage industry and hope that their actions are duplicated south of the border which may result in the fall of our wretched government.
22

morris,

edinburgh 11/06/2008 10:09:03
Whilst there is little doubt that rising fuel prices will affect costs and haulage companies and less taxed countries have an advantage,the Euro Journeys can presumably fill up in Belgium or wherever. The rising costs at home will simply be passed on to the consumer (us) and we will have to pay it.Its the same for all hauliers presumably.It may discourage road haulage at the expense of rail which is a legitimate concern presumably.
That does not mean that we should let Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown off the hook of course.

I do wonder though what a protest to SNP Scottish Transport Minister at Holyrood achieves though? He agress with you probably,but has no power to raise or reduce anything.ITS NOT HOLYROODS FAULT!
Its WESTMONSTER you need to attack guys.
Friendly fire gets us nowhere!
23

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 10:10:10
Ecellent news! And long overdue. This should have happened as soon as fuel broke the 80p per litre barrier.

As for Duncan McLaren, he is a complete and utter idiot. Ignore him. Do not let him jump on this bandwagon. If the government had any sense he would be sitting alongside Gazza in a mental hospital.
24

bumpkin,

11/06/2008 10:21:42
All lorry drivers reading this, just go away for 2 weeks holiday. Take your keys with you.
The spoilt brats of the public will soon find out what side their bread is buttered on .
Every single person in britain depends on lorries for their very survival, its time they realised that.
You have the support of most people who have a brain.
25

morris,

edinburgh 11/06/2008 10:29:05
6

I would have thought that a manufacurer or distributor based in Middlesex (eg) could transport to his customer in Inverness by rail(if the price competes) and also his customer in Ullapool .They train journey to Inverness is part of the story with goods then sent by road to the final destination.Clearly trains can only go to where there is a rail line, (something which clearly escapes supporters of Edinburghs tram network which is in fact a single route).Rail will be used as part of the journey where a clear advantage exists,but it cannot be used in totality of course and Sot Rail will have lorries or contract a road haulage company. The lions share of the distance journey may go by rail, but door to door still happens presumably.I know that in the past it was possible to collect a parcel at the rail station,but Im sure the people running the railways realise they need a van as well,whether it be in house or sub contracted.In the case of supermarkets like TESCO, branches may well soon be given a van to collect form the rail depot?The supermarkets already deliver to the door in most cases so the use of vans is hardly as new idea?
26

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 11/06/2008 11:17:24
Its clear what this means. If lorry drivers are going to behave the same way as the unions they helped break in the 80's, the Government should respond the same way.

More subsidy for rail freight - to make the commercial reality that stores like Tesco have embraced, happen faster. Rigorously enforce lorry bans, speed limits and weight restrictions. Bring in 'scab' labour by giving tax breaks to firms that use drivers from other member states.

As a member of the public, it matters not who owns and operates the lorry that delivers my goods. Is it me, or is the real agenda here that medium sized transport firms have losing out in a competitive environment, they once embraced, to larger firms and foriegn based competitors - exploiting market differences between Member states? And they want another (in addition to VAT) subsidy.

Currently, most lorries on the road transport air rather than goods and the threat of even larger lorries must scare medium sized companies. Larger companies can offer real logistic hub and spoke operations (on a par with railways and use their vehicles more efficiently) and local delivery firms (using smaller vehicles and vans) can do the final mile bit better?
27

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 11/06/2008 11:21:50
....also, why does every conversation on any issue bring in some whinger moaning about the Edinburgh trams?

Either Edinburgh is a European city with a 21st century travel system or its a third world city with traffic choked streets and citizens dying of respitory deseases inflicted by drivers of dirty diesel cars and buses with a perpetual street level smog from gasoline powered cars - you choose!
28

Niadh,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 11:58:49
Where's Jenny MacArthur and her cohorts??
come on Jenny why have we heard your inane comments yet???
29

bumpkin,

11/06/2008 12:18:08
the truckers are not asking for a subsidy, they are asking for a reduction in DUTY, the highest in the world, and tripled since 1997.
This new labour govt is in the pocket of big business, and has done everything it can to drive all small businesses to the wall.
over regulation, changes to paye, paying income tax in advance, rises in rates, all combine to favour big business over small business.
Shopkeepers, truckers, and farmers are just some of their victims.
This country will a poorer place when the above mentioned are finally broken and replaced by faceless corporations.
30

bumpkin,

11/06/2008 12:20:40
As for those advocating trains, go buy a train set, or go the museum, thats where they belong.
31

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 12:33:20
Don't encourage her, Niadh. Do you really want to read a load of nasty, insulting gibberish?
32

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 12:43:37
Support the lorry drivers by all means, but don't forget what it means - more and heavier lorries trundling down your streets, less safe roads for your children. Countries like Switzerland already transport the majority of their goods by rail; there is no reason why the UK cannot do the same.
33

Biker,

Ayr 11/06/2008 12:47:28
Its time Broon and his Darling were brought to account for the high price of fuel. Why are our prices so much higher than anywhere else? VA bloody T thats why.
34

Biker,

Ayr 11/06/2008 12:48:14
Oh and also the excess duty on such fuels.
35

Nook,

Purley 11/06/2008 13:05:00
Complaints that the rising price of oil increases the tax burden on hauliers are disingenuous and can't go unchallenged.

Duty is charged according to volume, not price, and VAT is entirely reclaimable by the haulier. So, the price of diesel could rise to £100 a gallon, and the net tax payable on the fuel would not rise by a penny.
36

Luke Skywalker,

United Kingdom 11/06/2008 13:15:53
I don't hear the hauliers complaing that about how low corporation tax is(or income tax for the small self employed).
37

Luke Skywalker,

11/06/2008 13:18:25
27 - Agreed. I want the trams too.
38

Incandescent,

11/06/2008 13:44:25
#20 Children can walk to school perfectly safely, should they (and their parents) be so inclined. Give it a rest.
39

Incandescent,

11/06/2008 13:46:17
#31 Alternative. Looks like Duncan's wisely staying out of the fray following yesterday's debacle :-)
40

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 14:07:46
#35:

The tax payable on fuel wouldn't rise, but the net cost of fuel would.

The extortionate rate of fuel duty was set at an artificially high rate by this stupid government in some air-headed belief that it would discourage car use and in their dreamland world, that would be a good thing.

Neither are actually true. The fact is that they are using the high duty income to fund even more of their crazy schemes and even to bail out businesses.

If you have a very warped mind, then you could probably justify this action under NORMAL circumstances. The rapidly rising price of oil is NOT normal circumstances and as such the government should (and must) act to stabilise the price of fuel at the pumps.

They should completely scrap either VAT or duty on fuel (preferably both as it is an essential commodity) and forget about their stupid anti-car stance which has done so much harm to the country.

We really need a different government as this one is too entrenched in it's own stupid ideas to be able to think straight.
41

ddmc,

11/06/2008 14:52:39
#26 subsidy to rail freight , erm who will pay for that, oh yes us already overburdened tax payers !

#27 I think people moan about the trams because the labour council commited £35 million or so, but cant balance the budgets in education, social work, leisure etc etc etc , i think given the choice people would happily swap the tram for decent services.
So all you people supporting the fuel price increases are happy for us ALL to fork out more money so you can live in utopia.

#32 our rail system cant cope with passenger trains let alone increased freight trains

#36 income tax for the self employed is the same for all people in employment, unless they are cheating by not declaring their full income
42

Nook,

Purley 11/06/2008 14:59:08
#40

You can't have read my comment correctly. I'm making a very specific point about the lack of any effect of rising oil prices on the total TAX paid on fuel by hauliers, not the actual price of the fuel.

I have heard time after time people complaining the the treasury enjoys a windfall tax gain from increased duty and VAT payable because of higher pre-tax prices. There is no increase in duty. The only truth in the complaint is a marginal amount of extra VAT paid by people who can't reclaim it. Because tax-compliant hauliers CAN reclaim VAT, any haulier making this complaint is either wrong or is lying.
43

Bedgar,

Scotland 11/06/2008 15:27:27
re 20, kids cant walk to school safely?!!!!!!!!!! what kids walk these days !!!!!!!! and there safety is compromised by the mothers driving big gas guzzling 4x4's not TRUCKS
44

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 16:55:17
#42:

I know exactly what you are saying and you are correct. However, we are in the middle of an un-precidented rise in oil prices. This should not be compounded by the stupid government policy of fleecing the motorist. Instead, they should be doing everything they can to cushion the blow.

Setting rediculously high levels of duty under normal oil-prices is bad enough. To expect to carry on their madness in times of crisis is nothing short of criminal incompetence.
45

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 17:18:15
#42 - Oil is not just taxed at the refined level (petrol or diesel). The govt is raking in billions of additional revenue from the petroleum and other corporate taxes levied on the oil companies. As the oil price has soared revenues here are much higher than originally expected, which the Govt could use, if it wanted, to reduce the amount of duty.
46

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 11/06/2008 17:31:03
'riduclously high levels of duty' help balance the damage caused by vehicles on the rest of society. Also, a recent has found that real prices of fuel are cheaper than they were in 1970.

29 and 41, welcome to Earth. Perhaps while you are visiting you can learn more about the planet, its environment, economics and to breath its atmosphere.

Government subsidy is all about efficiency. A single train can replace 30 to 40 lorry journeys. Tram systems work all over europe. A single tram provides efficient rapid urban transport, one tram car equals 60 or 70 (3/4 empty) cars.
47

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 11/06/2008 19:45:25
I for one definetly support ageneral strike this UK government needs a good talking to but they dont seem to be listening. Affirmative action is the only way...
48

MincePie5638745,

Alba 11/06/2008 19:50:39
I support this strike fully...
49

MincePie5638745,

Alba 11/06/2008 19:56:04
£1.15 + for a litre of fuel is an absolute disgrace -especially considering that the goverment takes a large chunk of it in the form of tax.
50

Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 21:21:52
If UK citizens want the government to look after them from cradle to grave, then government needs the money to fund those social causes expected by the people.
To complain about rising taxes is like saying we want the government to cut back on all the handouts we feel entitled to receive does it not?
51

Matt there,

somewhere 11/06/2008 22:20:49
The problem with people like Duncan McLaren is that they think like toddlers. They have logic, but it is the logic of the kindergarten.

When I was three, I had chickenpox. I wondered what had caused this. I applied the logic of a child. My family had eaten chicken the day before chickenpox was diagnosed, so I reasoned that it was eating chicken that had caused the chickenpox.

Duncan Mclaren believes that "sustainable transport alternatives" should be invested in.

He seems to think that throwing tens of thousands of people out of work in the short term by artificially inflating the price of fuel by a punitive tax regimen is the way forward.

This is kintergarten logic. For any sensible person would understand that we need the sustainable transport alternatives already in place. Because if an alternative to something does not already exist, then it is really not an alternative.

A problem with people like Duncan Mclaren is that their prognostications are meaningless. He can call for the banning of this, that and the other because he knows that HE will not have to suffer the consequences should his ideas be taken on board. Lorry drivers, construction workers, fishermen, whomever it may be, on the dole, their family's below the breadline?

It matters not a jot to the Duncan Mclaren's of this world. Because it has no effect on them and their family.
52

Jock Thomson,

Ayr 11/06/2008 23:24:07
It has taken until twenty past ten in the evening until Matt TS enunciated what many of us have been thinking for long and weary. Well done Matt.

Haulage contractors are our servants, they move things because we the public demand it. Road transport moves 95% of our freight and the railways struggle with the other 5% [loaded down with public subsidies] We want out goods in the forecourt or on supermarket shelves. When they are, then fine. However, come the day that they are not then we will be in a different and quite unpleasant world. Keep in mind that we are never more than a hairsbreadth removed from poverty, disaster or death and stay tuned in to the real world where there are always mountains to climb. The Duncan Mclarens are either on ego trips or out to take us back into the dark ages.

Jock Thomson.
53

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 12/06/2008 00:02:15
52, but do we care who the drivers are and who owns the companies. We don't in other parts of the economy, so why are trucks special?

Investing in alternatives is investing in the future. Subsidizing failing businesses is not, remember that is why we closed the steel mills and coal mines - all with the help of the truckers. What go's around comes around.

Taxes are vital and are part of doing business. If Uk lorry drivers cannot pay or compete, then, ask the Poles or Slovaks!
54

Matt there,

somewhere 12/06/2008 00:14:25
Jock, Duncan Mclaren is like someone who says he is against theft. All well and good. But what does he plan to do to STOP theft? "Oh," says the great intellect. "Why, the answer is obvious! I'd ban it!"

A Duncanian simple solution that just will not work. Oh, fine, yes! BAN theft. But guess what, Duncans of this world? Theft is banned and yet it still happens.

It's no good just being for or against something. You have to take positive action for or against something. And people need to accept that actions have consequences.

I once met a person who was complaining about plastic pens. He ranted on claiming that plastic pens were vile and unenvironmental. When I pointed out that he was a hypocrite because in his hand was a plastic pen, he looked like a deer caught in headlights.

He knew that platics pens were bad. But had been unable to connect his rhetoric with his own personal behaviour. My plastic pen was bad, whilst HIS plastic pen was good.

Poor Duncan cannot grasp that his policies of increasing tax on fuels ARE ALREADY causing a sharp rise in unemployment. Which, to my way of thinking is unsustainable.

So we have the ridiculous spectacle of Friends of the Earth supporting unsustainable policies!

How remarkably stupid is that?!
55

Matt there,

somewhere 12/06/2008 00:19:44
53, the point is that EU lorry drivers/owners pay less for their fuel.

They buy their fuel in Europe, drive through Europe to Britain, work in Britain and STILL find they are more profitable than the British drivers who have to buy fuel at UK rates.

However, don't fret! The UK government is working to stop this. They have already impounded (with no compensation) the vehicles of a company from an EU country who must have mistaken Britain for a being a member of the EU...

 

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