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HBOS predicts a 20% fall in house prices by end of 2009



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Published Date: 01 August 2008
HOUSE prices will plunge by up to a fifth over this year and next in the face of spiralling energy prices and tough economic conditions, the Scottish banking giant HBOS warned yesterday.
The Edinburgh institution said it had been hit by a 36 per cent leap in bad debts as customers struggled with repayments – and it had been forced to drastically cut its share of the new mortgage market.

Announcing a profits drop of more than half
, which it attributed to the credit crunch, the bank admitted it expected no respite in a "worsening economic climate" and said it could be forced to sell more assets.

And, in an attempt to offset higher funding costs in crippled wholesale money markets, it plans to "reprice" about a third of its mortgage portfolio this year, on top of recent increases.

The warnings came as Nationwide announced the biggest annual drop in house price value it had ever recorded – 8.1 per cent in the past year.

Fionnuala Earley, the Nationwide's chief economist, said the building society had seen nine successive months of house price falls that appeared set to continue.

She said the average price of a home was £169,316 – nearly £15,000 down on a year ago – and "the risk of an economic recession in the UK is now clearly rising".

The plunge means that millions of homeowners have seen the value of their property lose £300 a week since summer 2007. And Howard Archer, chief UK and European economist at Global Insight, said it was "odds-on that house prices will continue to head rapidly south."

He expects prices to fall by 15 per cent this year, with further falls of 12 per cent in 2009, to leave the average home costing £136,196.

The predictions compound the growing economic gloom of separate figures, earlier this week, which showed consumer confidence had plunged to its lowest level since records began. The bad news will intensify the pressure on Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, amid concern that the downturn could become a full-blown recession.

Andy Hornby, the chief executive of HBOS, insisted the bank would weather the financial storm and had taken measures to ensure it was "well positioned to operate in the more challenging economic environment".

The bank held a £4billion rights issue earlier this month to shore up its balance sheet but underwriters were left with the majority of the shares after the price dropped to a record low.

Mr Hornby said: "The reduced availability of credit and a slowing housing market are now part of a wider economic slowdown.

"We expect UK GDP growth to remain positive in 2008 but with a risk to the downside in 2009.

"Consensus forecasts, for the decline in house prices, is now in the range of 15 to 20 per cent over 2008 and 2009 combined.

His bank reported underlying interim pre-tax profits down 51 per cent, a drop from £2.96 billion last year to £1.45 billion.

Its share of new mortgage lending fell from 22 per cent for the final six months of last year to 7 per cent after it pledged to put margins before volumes.

Earlier this week, it emerged that Abbey had overtaken HBOS as the largest lender of new mortgages, with a half-year market share of 26 per cent, while Cheltenham & Gloucester, owned by Lloyds TSB, now ranks second with a 24 per cent share.







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  • Last Updated: 31 July 2008 10:13 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Is it only me?,

Azerbaijan (for now) 01/08/2008 05:59:26
And the chickens came home to roost.........
2

Phil C,

01/08/2008 07:41:17
The housing market has been grossly overvalued over the past few years, largely because of greedy buy-to-let investors and slack lending practices. Labour should also take a caning for their inexcusable lack of action in what was an obvious looming crisis.

Remember though, if your house is a home and not an investment it doesn't really matter if values collapse in the short term.
3

The Strategist,

01/08/2008 08:52:38
20% isn't really enough. It should be at least 50%.
4

Phil C,

01/08/2008 08:53:48
#3 Scottish values have fallen 10%, with more to come. Don't believe the out of date figures you might read.
5

Phil C,

01/08/2008 09:21:32
#7 Dave

Only sellers of reasonably priced quality property are shifting their houses. Most still want last year's 'values' and guess what? They can't sell until they lower their sights.

I work in property and can see the evidence every day. The up to date figures you seek only appear after 3 months! Your comments are based on the last report in April. I agree that Scottish property will not be as badly affected as England but your rosey scenario is optimistic in the extreme. Barra's a fabulous place though and maybe you'll be protected.
6

The Rattler,

Peebles 01/08/2008 11:01:50
I start to feel repetative, but please report from a Scottish perspective!

Reading HBOS reports this morning, house prices from Summer 2007 to Summer 2008 have only dropped by 2.1%. If you take it over the last two years, they have actually risen by 13.6%. These are facts, released by the bank yesterday.

As you have also quoted Nationwide, I thought I would run the similar example, and they show that prices for Scotland (only) have actually risen in the last 12 months, albeit by only 0.64%.

Please Scotsman, put some local spin on these stories. If we wanted UK stories we would by a Times.
7

Ellie,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 11:13:07
*11 re last point - HEAR HEAR!
8

Liz,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 11:21:23
#2
Excellent post - this has been coming for years and the inactivity of the FSA or our Governments (both of them) have done nothing but inflate the problem even more.
Face it - housing in Scotland (and across the UK) is overpriced by any sensible measures (when compared with salaries for example) and until recently rises were being driven by any moron with a pulse being able to get whatever mortgage they fancied by banks who should have been more careful. Now the cheap money has run out, banks are being more careful about to who and how much they lend, there is therfore only one thing that can happen to prices. I read that the recent rises in gas and electric could be enough to put and extra % on the inflation figures, if that is true then interest rates are going to be going up which will further exacerbate the problem.

Scotland is going to be as badly hit as England - in many ways we could be more vunerable as some of the big banking names - many of which have large bases up here, are feeling the pinch.
9

ccc,

01/08/2008 11:59:15
I do love the comments for the Scotsman to include it's usual "But Scotland will be different" drivel.

Scotland is part of the UK and the UK housing market. It has risen to stupid levels aling with the rest of the UK and wil fall in the same way.

HBOS has made a PREDICTION of where UK house prices will go.

Feel free to stick your heads in the sand any further if you wish.

The overpriced parts of Scotland are probably some of the most exposed to this crash.
10

The Rattler,

Peebles 01/08/2008 12:05:34
#14

Calm down. All I am asking is for the Scotsman to state when they are quoting UK figures and when they are quoting Scottish figures.

For Scotland's premier daily paper, I do not think it is too much to ask!
11

GM,

01/08/2008 12:28:08
@14

and you base your analysis of scottish house prices as 'being affected the same way as the UK' on what exactly?

Clearly, you have no clue.

Scottish house prices have been rising or remained static for more years than I have been in property. During that time, london and the south east (to use 1 example) has seen at least 2 or 3 'boom and bust' periods.

So, scotland might be part of the UK (just now) but that doesn't mean house prices here reflect UK average movements.

now move along simpleton and comment on something that you just might have a clue about.
12

ccc,

01/08/2008 12:38:14
#15

See where you are coming from. :)

This paper does have a habit of spouting nonsense after all !!

I was just pointing out that the headline of this story, the prediction of how much prices will fall, is for the UK and does not exclude Scotland. As for the figures of what has happened yes they could have made clear they represented England and Wales. We are simply lagging behind afterall.

#16

Where do I begin.

"and you base your analysis of scottish house prices as 'being affected the same way as the UK' on what exactly?

Clearly, you have no clue.

Scottish house prices have been rising or remained static for more years than I have been in property. During that time, london and the south east (to use 1 example) has seen at least 2 or 3 'boom and bust' periods"

(1) My analysis is based on many factors. Mainly the fact that House prices in many part sof Scotland are excessively overpriced. The long term average is averaeg house = 3-4 times averaeg wage. Any place in Scotland that is above that will fall. A long term average is called that for a reason....

(2)Boom and Bust periods.

This old chestnut. probably the lamest and most illogical argument I have ever heard.

You are correct on one point, Scotland has never had a boom and bust period before. HOWEVER we have just had a massive boom period. So GOING BY YOUR OWN LOGIC what is coming next...

Not rocket science...

(3)As for the overall picture it is very simple really. Even for a simpleton like me to understand :)

Credit bubble>Asset Bubble>House price bubble.

All burst. Scotland is part of this whether you like it or not.

Again feel free to stick your head in the sand if that makes you feel better.
13

Marcoloco,

01/08/2008 14:22:20

Ah the housing market - suddenly we are all experts. We all have an opinion but is it an educated one? I'm guessing not.

Markets (in general) are cyclical. The housing market is no different - but it is fact that the housing market is on an upward trijectory if we study long term trends.

So why the panic? - as prices go up we invest in property, remove the equity and re-invest (or some of us just splurge the money on material goods - fair enough, your money, you've earnt it). When prices come down investors are primed to pounce on the bargins - (buy low, rent, sell high - in the long term) its rental yield and capital apprechiation that's important here.

So who are the one's selling / in panic? Awe yes, those of us who have splurged all our money on material goods / credit cards etc. thinking the good times would never end.

So property cycles are all part of the game. Up or down there's money to be made from shrewd investments. It's just a market, like any other, at the end of the day.

ps "2" - greedy buy-to-let investors... now now Phil don't be so angry. Half of the people on this site probably rent from landlords. You would not want to be throwing insults at people who clarly provide a service to society - most often than not, a very good one too.
14

GM,

01/08/2008 14:23:26
@18

worn on nearly all counts -

Your implied assertion is that since scotland is part of the UK then it will suffer 20% falls in prices.

My assertion is that scotland is never and will never be affected to the same extent as London and the south.

House prices may fall in scotland, although ther is no evidence at the moment, rather just a slowdown and prices remaining relatively static.


Lets look at your post -
"Mainly the fact that House prices in many part sof Scotland are excessively overpriced"

why do you say that?
price is a function of supply and demand.
willing purchasers and willing sellers have been agreeing transactions and setting the market price.
Hence, there is no 'overpricing', just an extension of demand based on credit provision at the time.


"Any place in Scotland that is above that will fall"
again, is that your view made up out of thin air, or do you have empirical statistics or analysis to back it up - or even a crystal ball?

"This old chestnut. probably the lamest and most illogical argument I have ever heard."

Its not lame, its not illogical and its not an argument.
Its a fact.
During a period of static or steady growth of house prices in scotland, other areas, notably the south, have experienced several property cycles of boom and bust. Its a fact. just accept it.

During that time, scotland did not have booms or busts.

Hence, all the evidence we have (including the latest house price indeces in scotland) show quite clearly that house prices in scotland *do not* follow the UK average.

The uk average is hugely skewed by the vastly greater number of transactions in london and the south.

Perhaps, since you are so fond of averages, you'd like to make an offer on my house in Fife. Just pay me the UK average for it and I'll be happy.



I work in property and have to confirm yet again, you have no clue.

15

Bien E. Bien,

01/08/2008 15:32:49
Strange. Inflation is presented as being a great evil when it is applied to energy or food or other commodity prices, yet is somehow a marvellous thing when it comes to property prices.

Still, give it a day or so and we'll have a contrasting viewpoint from the ESPC, predicting that property prices in Scotland are just about to soar and that now is the best time ever to buy!
16

The Rattler,

Scottish Borders 01/08/2008 16:02:15
On these same pages in February, when it was baing suggested we would have a drop of 10% in value over the next six months, I was one of the 'ostriches' who suggested that values would simply level out, and unlikely to show any great reduction. I would certainly call the average (since you like that term so much, ccc) between Nationwide and HBOS, of a fall of only 1.37% to be no great reduction.

I'm sorry if you feel that I am still sticking my head in the sand but I have only been dealing in property for the last 30 years.
17

The Rattler,

Scottish Borders 01/08/2008 16:04:50
Furthermore, everyone and their wife can make predictions on their chosen specialised subject, but each is worth as much as the paper it is written on.

I prefer to deal in fact, which is why I am pleading with the Scotsman to report from a Scottish perspective and quote Scottish facts and figures. Many people's lack of confidence in the market at the moment is media led!
18

ccc,

01/08/2008 17:21:25
It amazes me that those that proclaim they work in property actually seem to have a serious lack of knowledge on the subject. A few choice examples below:

(1) "price is a function of supply and demand.
willing purchasers and willing sellers have been agreeing transactions and setting the market price.
Hence, there is no 'overpricing', just an extension of demand based on credit provision at the time."


You almost have it !! Just take the start and end of your comment and you are almost there. ;)

(2) "Any place in Scotland that is above that will fall" again, is that your view made up out of thin air, or do you have empirical statistics or analysis to back it up - or even a crystal ball?"

Long term average. Many places in Scotland are way way above their long term average - hence they will fall. Not everywhere, but many.

(3) "Its not lame, its not illogical and its not an argument.Its a fact. During a period of static or steady growth of house prices in scotland, other areas, notably the south, have experienced several property cycles of boom and bust. Its a fact. just accept it.During that time, scotland did not have booms or busts"

So you are telling us in the last 10 years Scotland HAS NOT HAD A BOOM IN PROPERTY....

That is all anyone has to know about your knowledge on this subject. The fastest increase in property prices in the UK for 4 years were in Scotland up until last year when N.I took over for a short period. Before that it was England that led the way. We are simply lagging behind int he rise and the fall. Scotland has not had a boom. I have heard it all now. Lamest attempt at an argument I have never heard. Afetr years of telling us that property was 'booming' we are now ready for the bust. So what do those in the industry decide to tell us ? They tell us that there was never a boom in the first place !! We must have all just imagined all those record price increase figures that have been plastered over the papers and EA office
19

GM,

01/08/2008 18:02:10
@24

ah yes, mirepressentation - the stock tool of the forum dunderheed...

**Scotland has not had the same booms and busts as down south**
i.e. it does not and has not followed your 'average' pattern in the past so why should it now?


Here is your own contribution -
"Scotland is part of the UK and the UK housing market. It has risen to stupid levels aling with the rest of the UK and wil fall in the same way."

and yet when presented with all the detail that scotland has never followed 'average' house price movements you still go on to tell us all that it has to...


lol
my sides are aching!

Get yer tinfoil hat on and retire to your underground bunker until the prices have fell back to what you seem to think is right!

hahahahahahahaha....



Heres another classic -
"Long term average. Many places in Scotland are way way above their long term average - hence they will fall. Not everywhere, but many. "

Well, it does depend on your version of long term, but lets say its 50 years.
So,
what you are saying is that in many places prices are way above their long term average...

well duh!!!!!

Given the fact scotland has seen a rising market for 50 years I'd expect the current price of every type of house to be somehwere *well* above its 50 year average.

What a tool you are.

Keep posting - its giving me the best laugh Ive had on here since 'There will never be a council tax freeze'...
20

boudica,

Glasgow 01/08/2008 22:24:53
it is about time the prices of houses came down ...and I agree with those in hear that are like minded that the funny money they were asking for houses was way over the mark ..and for those who were daft enough to buy them at those prices...
21

boudica,

Glasgow 01/08/2008 22:42:33
GM ..are you saying that House in some areas of Scotland are not overpriced ..so charging £950 rent for a Townhouse in the likes of Castlemilk isnt a tad over the score ? you intimate that Scotlands housing prices wont be affected by what is going on ..not only in the UK but the World ? ie rising prices for oil,food,utilties etc...we in Scotland have some sort of special protective shield to stop all this ..and has the SNP got the ability to stop this ? ..
22

ccc,

01/08/2008 23:02:17
GM:

"lol
my sides are aching!

Get yer tinfoil hat on and retire to your underground bunker until the prices have fell back to what you seem to think is right!

hahahahahahahaha."

If you can explain how this chat is nothing more than fear good luck...



Heres another classic -
"Long term average. Many places in Scotland are way way above their long term average - hence they will fall. Not everywhere, but many. "

Well, it does depend on your version of long term, but lets say its 50 years.
"So,
what you are saying is that in many places prices are way above their long term average...

well duh!!!!!

Given the fact scotland has seen a rising market for 50 years I'd expect the current price of every type of house to be somehwere *well* above its 50 year average"

Well I feel sorry for you and the rest.
23

La5t_minit,

01/08/2008 23:15:08
Great . Does that mean we all get a council tax rebate through re-banding?.....
24

Phil C,

02/08/2008 07:30:34
#19 Locomarco

I don't think property investors will be quite so smug in a year's time! I do think that those who splurged (affordably) will feel quite satisfied that they made the most of the good times. I also believe that those holding shares as investments will be the next to feel the cold wind of the down cycle.

 

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