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Government mired in 'sleaze' row over Trump development



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Published Date: 14 December 2007
THE SNP was last night embroiled in its biggest scandal since coming to power, amid allegations of sleaze over its handling of Donald Trump's £1 billion planning application.
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond with Deputy First Minster Nicola Sturgeon during First Minister's Questions at the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh.
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond with Deputy First Minster Nicola Sturgeon during First Minister's Questions at the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh.

Opposition politicians said the ultimate decision on the golf-resort development would now be open to legal challenge because of a series of meetings between ministers, civil servants and the Trump organisation.

During a furious First Minister's questions, Alex Salmond was accused of breaching the ministerial code of conduct by favouring the tycoon's firm over objectors to the proposals.

And the neutrality of the Scottish Government's chief planner was called into question after it emerged he had a telephone conversation with Aberdeenshire Council's chief executive, while two of the billionaire's key staff were in his office.

A planning expert told The Scotsman that behind-the-scenes conversations between ministers, government officials and developers was not normal practice, and questions had to be asked.

John Swinney, the finance secretary, was dragged into the scandal when it was revealed he had enjoyed hospitality at a Trump resort days before the application was controversially "called in", giving him the final say on its future.

The furore stretched to Westminster, where Harriet Harman, the Leader of the Commons, pledged to raise concerns about the handling of the application with Des Browne, the Scotland Secretary. At the same time, campaigners against the plan at the Menie Estate, near Balmedie, called for a public inquiry.

Nicol Stephen, the leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, triggered the debate when he revealed in the Scottish Parliament that two senior Trump International employees had been in the office of the Scottish Government's chief planner, Jim McKinnon, at Victoria Quay, Leith, on Tuesday, 4 December – the day the application was called in.

The men, Neil Hobday and George Sorial, were present when Mr McKinnon made a telephone call to Alan Campbell, the chief executive of Aberdeenshire Council. Both sides say the call was made to establish the procedure that would be followed at a special meeting of Aberdeenshire Council, scheduled for Wednesday, 12 December.

Two hours later, Mr McKinnon again called the council's chief executive, but this time to tell him that the Scottish Government would be calling in the application.

The Scottish Government says the decision to call in the development was made by Mr Swinney, although he is typically advised by the chief planner.

Mr Stephen said: "This is a serious situation for the First Minister and his government. Every step of the way, there is contradiction, concealment and cleverness from his government on this issue. It smells of sleaze."

He called on the First Minister to order an independent inquiry to "investigate what happened in those 48 hours last Monday and Tuesday, to find out why the developers were present with the chief planner on the very day that their application was called in, to examine what pressure the chief planner was put under by ministers to take these potentially prejudicial actions that now jeopardise this project".

Mr Salmond insisted his behaviour on the matter had "followed exactly the rule book".

But Annabel Goldie, the Tory leader, joined the attack, accusing him of breaching the ministerial code by meeting Trump representatives in the days between the council rejecting the application and it being called in.

Mr Salmond has already come under fire for a meeting with Trump aides at the upmarket Marcliffe at Pitfodels Hotel in Aberdeen.

Ms Goldie said: "Can I ask the First Minister why, contrary to the ministerial code, he met only the developer during this critical period of four days and in so doing took action, which, to quote the ministerial code, 'could be seen as prejudicial to the process'."

Mr Salmond told her he had previously met some of those opposed to the Trump plan and stressed: "As the constituency member for Gordon, I am excluded from any involvement in the determination of the proposed development."

He said that, as First Minister, he had been advised not to make any comment on the plan, in case it was interpreted as being either for or against it. But Ms Goldie said: "Astonishingly, as First Minister, he was not even-handed, he was cack-handed. Either this is ignorance or arrogance, and ignorance is not a condition with which I associate the First Minister."

The Tory leader also claimed he had taken a special adviser to the Marcliffe, but Mr Salmond said the staff member was a constituency secretary.

He also said Scotland's top civil servant, the permanent secretary Sir John Elvidge, had "made it perfectly clear that the use of government car was entirely appropriate".

Later, Ms Goldie said: "So far, this has been a tale of denial, cover-up and evasion. There is a stench surrounding the government's handling of this affair. If this application fails, and Scotland loses this billion-pound investment, the Scottish Government will only have itself to blame."

Trevor Davies, a planning expert, said: "Clearly, the ministers and civil servants were talking to Trump before the local authority had a chance to make a decision. That's odd to me."

Meanwhile, it emerged Mr Swinney had been at a gala dinner at an exclusive Trump International resort in New York on 2 December, two days before he called in the planning application.

His office insisted no Trump officials were at the VisitScotland-hosted event at Trump Golf Village in Westchester, New York, and that he had never met or spoken to any Trump representatives.

A spokeswoman for the tourism agency said the event had been organised for months and that market value was paid for the use of the venue.

Mr Swinney claimed later it would have been "discourteous" for him to refuse to attend.

The Green MSP Patrick Harvie said: "It is at least odd that this application was called in by John Swinney the very day after he spoke at an event where the entertainment included a complimentary game of golf at Mr Trump's expense."

And the Labour MSP Jackie Baillie said Mr Swinney's visit raised "serious questions about his judgment".

The developments came the day after Martin Ford was sacked as convener of Aberdeenshire Council's infrastructure services committee after his casting vote vetoed the plans.

He said since that vote, "the application has been treated anything but normally, by both the applicant, who didn't do what we would expect – either appeal or prepare to resubmit – but also by the government".

He called for "an absolute commitment" of a public inquiry.

Mickey Foote, of Sustainable Aberdeenshire, which is opposed to the Trump plan, said: "Scottish politics is being shamed."

UNDER FIRE FROM EVERY QUARTER

"Every step of the way there is contradiction, concealment and cleverness from his government on this issue. It smells of sleaze."

Nicol Stephen, leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats

"The point for ensuring there was a Scottish Parliament was to devolve power from Westminster to people in Scotland, not to suck up power from local authorities and place them in Edinburgh."

Harriet Harman, leader of the House of Commons

"It is at least odd that this application was called in by John Swinney the very day after he spoke at an event where the entertainment included a complimentary game of golf at Mr Trump's expense."

Patrick Harvie, Green MSP

"If ministers and civil servants are talking to major developers in secret, without telling the local authority, and prior to the local authority making a decision, and then they call it in when they don't like the decision, that seems to me like the wrong process."

Trevor Davies, planning expert

"It's pantomime season and I don't know if this is Jack and the Beanstalk or Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs."

Mickey Foote of Sustainable Aberdeenshire

"I think the most important thing that could be established now would be for the government as quickly as possible to give an absolute commitment there will be a full public inquiry to look at the application."

Martin Ford, Aberdeenshire councillor

Q&A: KEY FIGURES IN THE ROW

Which members of the Scottish Government are caught up in the Trump planning controversy?

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, and John Swinney, the finance secretary, have both come under fire.

When did Mr Salmond get involved?

He met Trump representatives in an Aberdeen hotel on 3 December.

But isn't that appropriate, given he is MSP for Gordon, where the Menie Estate falls?

He says yes, because he was acting in his constituency role, rather than as First Minister.

What does Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tories' leader, say?

She says he's breached the Ministerial Code of Conduct because he was acting as First Minister – as shown by the fact he used a ministerial car.

What about John Swinney?

Two days before he called in the Trump planning application, Mr Swinney attended a function at the company's exclusive development in Westchester, New York State.

So did he accept corporate hospitality from the developers?

No. The dinner was organised by VisitScotland to promote Scottish business. VisitScotland paid market rate for the venue.

What does "calling in the application" mean?

The Scottish Government asserts its authority over the local authority and has the final say on whether the development goes ahead.

Is that common practice?

It often happens if there is an appeal against a council's decision – but it is unprecedented for it to happen before then.

Would anyone have advised Mr Swinney to call it in?
The chief planning officer is Jim McKinnon, who would be the top civil servant advising ministers on such issues.

Has he come in for criticism?

He had a phone conversation with Alan Campbell, the chief executive of Aberdeenshire Council, when two Trump organisation staff members were in his office. Mr Campbell asked that they leave his office.

What was the conversation about?

A special council meeting to be held after the infrastructure services committee rejected the application.

When did it happen?

Hours before Mr McKinnon called Mr Campbell back to tell him that the planning application was being called in.

HACKING AWAY - HOW TRUMPTOWN BECAME BUNKERED IN CONTROVERSY

OCT 2005
Jack McConnell, the then first minister, meets Donald Trump at his Trump Towers HQ in New York.

APRIL 2006
The Menie Estate is revealed as the location for a £1bn golf course. Already there are concerns from environmentalists while the plan is welcomed elsewhere.

MAY 2006
McConnell is the first minister to be accused of breaching ministerial guidelines by getting too close to Mr Trump.

MAY 2007
Alex Salmond is elected First Minister. He is also elected MSP for Gordon, which includes Menie, and that bars him from having anything to do with the planning process.

20 NOV, 2007
Aberdeenshire Council's Formartine area committee approves the plans by seven votes to four.

29 NOV, 2007
The authority's infrastructure services committee throws out the plans on the casting vote of the Lib Dem chairman Martin Ford. This means, ultimately, Aberdeenshire Council has turned down the application.

2 DEC, 2007
John Swinney, the finance secretary, attends a Global Scots function at one of Trump's golf and country clubs in New York State. Officials insist he did not meet any Trump representative.

3 DEC, 2007
Salmond meets two senior Trump aides at a hotel on the outskirts of
Aberdeen. He is travelling in a ministerial car but officials later insist the meeting is strictly in his capacity as an MSP and has nothing to do with the planning process. Meanwhile Trump has issued an ultimatum: planning approval within 30 days or the project moves to Ireland.

DEC 4, 2007
Holyrood's chief planner phones the chief executive of Aberdeenshire Council. The same two Trump aides are in the planner's room. Later, there is another call from the chief planner, to say ministers have taken control or "called in" the decision.

9 DEC, 2007
It emerges that Salmond held a meeting with Trump officials the day before the decision was "called in". Officials insist it was in his capacity as an MSP.

12 DEC, 2007
An emergecy meeting of the full Aberdeenshire Council votes by 26 to 10 to sack Ford as a committee chairman.

14 DEC, 2007
It emerges Trump aides were present when the chief planner spoke to Aberdeenshire Council. It is also confirmed Swinney had been at the Trump resort.



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`The Maltese Falcon`,

14/12/2007 00:02:04
The SNP has my full backing and well done so far in you good governance of Scotland
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Wait a minute,

Town 14/12/2007 00:07:19
How desperate is this paper to pick up on the Lib Dems pathetic attempts at manufacturing a scandal? Jim McKinnon is above reproach and has acted exactly as he would have for ANY political leadership - he was Chief Planner BEFORE the SNP Government!! Under Labour and the Lib Dems. This is just another excuse to try to undermine Scottish self Belief.
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baffies away,

14/12/2007 00:09:16
I love Nicol Stephens comment - Every step of the way there is...cleverness! so he is lambasting the Government for being smart??!!
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baffies away,

14/12/2007 00:10:15
I love Nicol Stephens comment - Every step of the way there is...cleverness! so he is lambasting the Government for being smart??!!
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Wini,

Scots in England 14/12/2007 00:12:18
Well well. The Muslim loving, terrorist friendly SNP show themselves up yet again. Clealry they have been taking backhanders from Trump. Vile
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14/12/2007 00:13:13
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:15:15
Hold on wait a minute, it is not pathetic to ask about any sort of activity that politicians get up to, especially when lots of money are involved. AS has hardly put a foot wrong, but he has now, he would not be the first to put a civil servant under pressure, it does smell. No amount of bluster will take the smell away.
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democrate,

central Scotland 14/12/2007 00:15:16
Another non-story to deflect attention from Wendy?
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`The Maltese Falcon`,

14/12/2007 00:15:24
#6 wini. i have reported your post for its vile language, expect it to be deleted
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:15:45
I wonder why Nicol Stephen's interventions on a planning matter in his constituency did not smell of sleaze. What selective olfactory senses unionists have. Nicol Stephen has not said that admitted illegality of taking, criminally, dodgy donations "smells of sleaze" - what weird priorities. One might think these are just political smears
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`The Maltese Falcon`,

14/12/2007 00:16:17
#1 hut hut
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:17:04
AM2 I agree it needs looking at the ticker tape box is niaive to say the least. The smell checker was a big help.
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:17:32
AM2 I agree it needs looking at the ticker tape box is niaive to say the least. The smell checker was a big help.
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`The Maltese Falcon`,

14/12/2007 00:17:44
#11 Ayrshire. i have reported wini as i do not like her retoric he/she is done for
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:19:34
15. Quite right, Wini is clearly an extremist and possibly dangerous. I am concerned about Trump people being in the planner's office? What is that about? Still doesn't equal taking illegal money, and the development is in the interests of the area, with all party and local support
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:20:14
Apologies for double entry, cannot figure that one out. Oh did not realise they was such a small page so pressed refresh to view message, that must have done it.
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Gregor Addison,

Scotland 14/12/2007 00:20:53
It doesn't really come across as a critical 'sleaze' story to me. The STV news tried to run with it yesterday but Reporting Scotland didn't seem interested. The real sleaze story is the Labour donations scandal. What did Nicol Stephen have to say about that? Strangely, very little.
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:21:54
Apologies for double entry, cannot figure that one out. Oh did not realise they was such a small page so pressed refresh to view message, that must have done it.
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TommyKaye,

UK 14/12/2007 00:21:58
JACK DROMEY, Labour party treasurer and husband of Harriet Harman - who took a £5,000 donation from David Abrahams and borrowed £50,000 for her deputy leadership campaign - has got himself a new nickname. The Loan Arranger
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:23:38
still a suckky site hate ti dont want to play. chang eit back
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:24:05
mwah ha ha it workd have been unmoderated.
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`The Maltese Falcon`,

14/12/2007 00:24:52
#16 Ayrshire. Indeed she/he is puss. Now i dont think the SNP has done anything wrong and i hail their involvement on the Trump thing. It is to big for a rural council run by the Lib/dems to handle. jesus if it were left to them , trump would be buolding a crazy golf with 4 holes and a toy london bus on it
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:26:02
23 LOL. Indeed, you sum up Unionist ambition, aspiration and views of Scotland well.
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Eve,

Scotland 14/12/2007 00:27:21
#6 Wini: Thats your opinon!!!! Thou odd cause the SNP aren't the ones who have money given from folk who don't pay taxs here. Or is this an exclusive that Trump (how ever it's spelt) pays taxs within the UK. It's only the labour party that have taken donations from illegal sourse. You forget they'd have to declare more than £1,000. I dought they'd sell out for £995 or was it £950. Now I have no idea if I've explain this properly as they layout of this web site is worped and my are getting sore and sorer by the min.
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Craig Cockburn,

Edinburgh 14/12/2007 00:28:54
Another Scotsman/Opposition party storm in a teacup. The SNP called in the proposal because this is a huge investment that didn't even go before the whole council and got rejected on the basis of the chairman's vote (Inow sacked). The opposition parties are just making hay rather than focussing on the real issue of whether they support the proposal or nor. They should get over it and start looking after the interests of the development and the economy of the North East rather than political point scoring against the SNP.
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Roger Thomas,

Celtic Lion Ltd 14/12/2007 00:28:58
Soon they will start drawing parallels with new labour in 97 and Bernie Eccelstone and tobbacco F1 thing
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:30:28
28 Hello fakey (extra space after name) - are you thinking of me as your hands move frantically (one of them over the keyboard) x x x
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Roger Thomas,

Celtic Lion Ltd 14/12/2007 00:31:11
Soon they will start drawing parallels with new labour in 97 and Bernie Eccelstone and tobbacco F1 thing
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14/12/2007 00:31:26
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:32:42
31 I assume your legal action (chuckle) against me hasn't progressed as far as you hoped? Pity. Kisses and that
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14/12/2007 00:33:34
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:33:46
Apologies for double entry, cannot figure that one out. Oh did not realise they was such a small page so pressed refresh to view message, that must have done it.
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:34:57
Thought so. To the moderator; it appears to me that there is a problem with the refresh icon. I am using Firefox, as the web browser, some urchin has probably not got round to checking what happens when use Firefox. Please have a look before you go live.
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14/12/2007 00:34:58
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:36:41
38 Hoos Poos Maltese tranny!
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:38:32
argggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh im stuck here now with the . i cant sign out now.
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robthom,

abdn 14/12/2007 00:39:43
In a recent interview Trump said "I’m not a turn-the-other-cheek guy, My thing is, if you’re attacked, attack them back in spades. I love doing it. It’s natural for me to be a combative person. I love having enemies and I love having friends. My style of deal-making is quite simple and straightforward. I aim very high, then I keep pushing and pushing and pushing to get what I’m after. Sometimes I settle for less than I sought – but in most cases I still end up with what I want.” He had a long running feud with Rosie O’Donnell, comedienne and chat-show hostess, who branded him a “snake-oil salesman”. He declared war, dismissing her as a “mental midget, a low life”, and took the credit when her contract was not renewed. Sir Richard Branson also emerged from an encounter with Trump with his nose bloodied after daring to launch a show in the US that mirrored Trump’s The Apprentice. Trump cast doubt on Branson’s business successes, saying acidly: “He’s full of hot air, like his balloons.” Branson was trounced in the ratings, leaving Trump to continue picking up £1.5million an episode for the programme, which Sir Alan Sugar hosts in the UK. “Revenge is good,” Trump once said. “When a person screws you, screw them back 15 times over.” Trump’s biggest skill, aside from making money, is self-promotion. His name on Trump Tower, a peach-coloured, 58-storey landmark that he overcame planning objections to build, is said to be so large that it is visible from planes coming into land in New York. He clashed regularly with the city’s architectural guardians as he reshaped the skyline. One of his few failures was a scheme to construct the world’s tallest building. He launched Trump mineral water, a board game with notes bearing his face and Donald Trump the fragrance but it is in property and land where he has made most of his £1.5billion fortune since coming back from the verge of bankruptcy in the Eighties. He has five golf courses, admitting that he adores the sport because owni
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:40:39
get meout of here how do i log out so i can log back in as my other karins.
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14/12/2007 00:41:08
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:41:21
what is going on get me out of here
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:42:42
disaster i am stuck atcomment 30
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:44:05
44 and 47 you heap big fakie.
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:44:36
right how do i log outit wont let me.
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:44:51
everytime i come back it knows its me
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:45:25
Karin M the secret of success is here is to have log in with one browser ie. IE and then use the other Firefox to see what is going on.
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karin.m,

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 14/12/2007 00:45:27
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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karin.m,

14/12/2007 00:46:14
but i manged to log outt the first time and now it wont let me.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:46:55
55 Marinka. I had same thing, but now i have all comments on one page!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:47:19
55 - check hpb
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:49:30
55 - check hpb
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AJM,

14/12/2007 00:51:53
This is so good , what does a little testing do, is this a trump internet software development. Certainly smells like it . I was involved in something like this in a previous life, it came from the good ol USA. Where is this from? I am sure that it will not harm any wildlife nor need AS to don a wig but what a dismal start.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/12/2007 00:53:04
55 - check hpb
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Wini,

14/12/2007 00:55:26
Karin My PC is acting up. Obviously your knowledge is better than mine. Can you help me?
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Freeman Stand,

14/12/2007 00:59:25
Nicol Stephen was in bed with the Labour Party for years and failed to sniff out sleaze in the Labour Party where it is a way of life as we can see from Wendy Alexander's team soliciting illegal donations. It suited his nose not to be working when he was sharing power with the most corrupt politicians in Scotland.
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karin m,

14/12/2007 00:59:37
now im mee two again this site suckee big time muchee muchee and in answer to your question yes and it was still bool okcs
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 14/12/2007 01:00:55
The most obvious point missed in this whole attempted smear proces is that Alex Salmond is the one being negatively affected by the parliamentary requirement to debarr himself from the debate AND to not be allowed to speak on the matter. An MSP, who is not FIRST MINISTER, while being be debarred from voting or participating in the decision making process, would still be ALLOWED to comment and speak openly about his or her position on the application. There is no rule against comment only against participating or voting in the process. As FIRST MINISTER, Alex Salmond has been advised to not comment publicly for or against so as to not create any perceptions of bias that could affect the office of FIRST MINISTER. He is the first FIRST MINISTER to follow that advice. McConnell not only did not follow the advice, he hired a helicopter to take Trump's representatives on a tour of the site. Alex Salmond has strictly followed the legal advice given despite the obvious advantages on not following that advice. He could have ignored the advice, as it is only an opinion, and involved himself in the debate. He chose not to. He could have taken a public position that would garner him enormous support and VOTES in his own constituency. He chose not to do so. He could have followed the path of the First Minister of Northern Ireland and lobbied hard for the project, but he chose to not do so. His actions have consistently placed the position of FIRST MINISTER above that of Alex Salmond, MSP. That is called Leadership, Integrity and Accountability.
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karin m,

14/12/2007 01:01:45
go9d this is awful wini you naw moderated yet i reported ye.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 14/12/2007 01:01:56
The most obvious point missed in this whole attempted smear proces is that Alex Salmond is the one being negatively affected by the parliamentary requirement to debarr himself from the debate AND to not be allowed to speak on the matter. An MSP, who is not FIRST MINISTER, while being be debarred from voting or participating in the decision making process, would still be ALLOWED to comment and speak openly about his or her position on the application. There is no rule against comment only against participating or voting in the process. As FIRST MINISTER, Alex Salmond has been advised to not comment publicly for or against so as to not create any perceptions of bias that could affect the office of FIRST MINISTER. He is the first FIRST MINISTER to follow that advice. McConnell not only did not follow the advice, he hired a helicopter to take Trump's representatives on a tour of the site. Alex Salmond has strictly followed the legal advice given despite the obvious advantages on not following that advice. He could have ignored the advice, as it is only an opinion, and involved himself in the debate. He chose not to. He could have taken a public position that would garner him enormous support and VOTES in his own constituency. He chose not to do so. He could have followed the path of the First Minister of Northern Ireland and lobbied hard for the project, but he chose to not do so. His actions have consistently placed the position of FIRST MINISTER above that of Alex Salmond, MSP. That is called Leadership, Integrity and Accountability.
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a proud doonhamer,

14/12/2007 01:03:17
I hope the paper gets the site corrected. It is full of bugs and does not allow paragraphs to be included in the posts. This makes it very hard to read.
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karin m,

14/12/2007 01:04:22
right i signed in with the lst one you gave me ayrhsire only that isnase ot.
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subrosa,

14/12/2007 01:04:56
This nonsense about the government calling in planning applications being called unprecedented is just poppycock. Nicol Stephen is calling the reputation of an excellent civil servant into disrepute. The Trump representatives were at the planning officers office to have procedures explained more fully. That's when the planning officer telephoned the CE of Aberdeenshire Council to ask him to clarify them and he also informed the CEO the representatives were present in his office. The CEO said he would not discuss it with them listening and requested they be removed. The planning officer asked the representatives to leave the room which they did. What's the problem here? Sleaze? Ah, oor Nicol would know all about sleaze.....
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:07:28
right now im last me on old site now
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14/12/2007 01:08:16
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:08:19
right so all previous monikders should be unmoderated then meths will b epleased
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14/12/2007 01:08:51
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DouglasT,

kirkintilloch 14/12/2007 01:09:52
Not Mr Salmond's best day but whither there was anything dodgy or not, it was done for the benefit of Scotland - bringing business and jobs. The same can not be said for Ms Alexander and co whose suspected wrongdoings were done purely to derve their own personal desires.
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pehman,

sussex 14/12/2007 01:09:57
wow, I had an e-mail about this yesterday, after I'd ceased my paperboy account.I notice am2 doesn't like it though, maybe all his alterego's won't fit
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:10:11
82 did you read brian taylors comment think i have finally figured out what side of the fence he is on.
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14/12/2007 01:10:23
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:10:36
90 mines do.
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DouglasT,

kirkintilloch 14/12/2007 01:10:44
Not Mr Salmond's best day but whither there was anything dodgy or not, it was done for the benefit of Scotland - bringing business and jobs. The same can not be said for Ms Alexander and co whose suspected wrongdoings were done purely to derve their own personal desires.
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:11:02
well my alter egos karin i am only ever karin just variant karin.
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14/12/2007 01:11:06
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14/12/2007 01:11:41
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:11:46
96 fakey stop it im not playing
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14/12/2007 01:12:02
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14/12/2007 01:12:10
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:12:58
i thoughtm he was gay right enough im suprisedto learn he is married.
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Karin M,

14/12/2007 01:13:37
right imoff canttake thisanymnore
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14/12/2007 01:13:44
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Beth Boyle,

Trumped in Trump State, USA 14/12/2007 01:14:45
Eeeeeeeeek could it be Trumpgate?
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14/12/2007 01:15:09
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Kipling,

@Doom Ray Call Centre 14/12/2007 01:15:16
She called him. He called her. They called them. Then the development called in.
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14/12/2007 01:16:14
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Beth Boyle,

Trumpstate U. 14/12/2007 01:16:37
Ayrshire Scot, Just because you don't like what is being said you keep saying stupid things tryng to shut every one down. It's pretty obvious and pretty childish. Get a life already.
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Kipling,

14/12/2007 01:16:50
Hate to say this Ayrshire Scot, you also got 103 (pan bad luck) and 13 (unlucky number)
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Beth Boyle,

Trumpstate U. 14/12/2007 01:17:50
Ayrshire Scot, Just because you don't like what is being said you keep saying stupid things tryng to shut every one down. It's pretty obvious and pretty childish. Get a life already.
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Beth Boyle,

14/12/2007 01:20:03
Salmond kinda would make a good head of the Scottish Mafia. He has the correct greased down look and wears those dark suits all the time.
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Beth Boyle,

14/12/2007 01:22:44
Salmond kinda would make a good head of the Scottish Mafia. He has the correct greased down look and wears those dark suits all the time.
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14/12/2007 01:23:13
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walter,

14/12/2007 01:23:13
The council in Aberdeenshire agreed in principle for Trumps organisation to build a golfing complex, it was then passed onto the planning committee to study all elements of the application and make a decision.
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Beth Boyle,

14/12/2007 01:23:35
What is wrong with this board it post everything twice I put up?
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Kipling,

14/12/2007 01:24:26
The administrator is creeping up behind everyone removing comments, giving no reason. You can't see the moderator, he has adopted stealth tactics, writes in red ink, lays in wait, so save each page before it gets censored. I recall nothing obscene at the beginning.
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Beth Boyle,

14/12/2007 01:24:39
Yeah what was to be a golf course turned into cover for a big housing estate now didn't it, Walter. I smell a dead cod fish.
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James Lawson,

Perth 14/12/2007 01:26:21
Salmond is not the sleaze type, this is not labour.
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Beth Boyle,

14/12/2007 01:26:33
Why did they change it