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Glenrothes by-election: I'm to blame for SNP's failure to win, says Alex Salmond

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Published Date: 07 November 2008
ALEX Salmond today took responsibility for the shortcomings in the SNP campaign which saw them fail to win the Glenrothes by-election.
He accused Labour of conducting a "scaremongering" campaign over rising home care charges brought in under the local SNP-led council but pledged to "learn the lessons" from the episode.

Labour held the seat with a majority of 6,700-down from 10,664 – but the Nationalists had been widely expected to win the seat having overturned a larger Labour majority at Glasgow East earlier in the summer.

"The failure is of the campaign leadership, which is me effectively, for not recognising that we should have changed our campaign to face down a scaremongering campaign," Mr Salmond said today at the SNP headquarters in Edinburgh.

"That's my fault for not having my finger on the political temperature in the constituency."

Despite having visited the area a dozen times in the course of the campaign, Mr Salmond said today that he wished he had spent more time on the doorsteps gauging grassroots feeling.

A central feature of Labour candidate Lindsay Roy's campaign had been concerns over an increase in home care charges from £4 a month to £11 an hour,

Nationalist candidate Peter Grant is leader of the local Fife Council which introduced them.

The First Minister had predicted as recently as last weekend that the Nationalists would capture the seat but admitted today he had spoken prematurely.

"I was wrong about the by-election," Mr Salmond said.

"We're disappointed with the result. However, we're not disappointed with the campaign we fought.

"A campaign fought by Labour was a scaremongering and negative campaign but was successful.

"There are lessons to be learned and we will learn them but Peter Grant and the SNP will be back to beat that sort of campaign in Glenrothes and in other contests across the country."

The First Minister pointed out that the by-election had seen a 5% swing to the SNP but an increase in the size of the Labour vote saw them prevail.

Despite Prime Minister Gordon Brown breaking with recent tradition to visit the constituency twice, and his wife Sarah also going out on the campaign trail, Mr Salmond maintained the home care charges were the "overwhelming issue" in the Fife seat.

"Our mistake in my view, and it's a mistake I take responsibility for as leader, was that we should have recognised the threat from that issue and moved to a rapid rebuttal strategy earlier in the campaign."

The issue was not a central concern of voters a month ago, according to Mr Salmond, who said it emerged as a priority in the minds of the public only late on.

Mr Salmond said he remains confident that the Nationalists will reach their target of 20 Westminster seats at the next UK General Election, despite last night's setback.

He also played down claims that the party's "honeymoon" period is over after its historic victory in the Scottish Parliament elections last year and Glasgow East.

"I hope to extend the honeymoon a bit yet," he said. "We had a setback and while it's certainly true that we had virtually untrammelled political success for 18 months, nothing in politics or life continues in that vein forever.

"The job of confronting a setback is to learn lessons, to overcome it and come back stronger.

"That's what we intend to do."

The First Minister also rejected claims that the outcome had been a verdict on him personally against the Prime Minister who represents the neighbouring Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath constituency.

"I wish we had been able to make this by-election a contrast between the records of the SNP government and the Labour Government in London.

"If we had been successful in making that the issue, as we did in Glasgow East, then I think we would have had a very different result.

"The Labour Party were successful in changing the issue of the by-election into something quite different."

The world economic turbulence has also yet to fully feed through to grass roots level which meant it largely did not count against Labour, according to Mr Salmond.

"We are not in the middle of a recession – we are at the start of an economic downturn.

"If we get to the middle of a recession, which seems unfortunately likely, then the political situation will change very substantially."

MORE GLENROTHES BY-ELECTION COVERAGE:

Brown hails Labour success

Big Glenrothes by-election win for Labour rocks Nationalists

Analysis: PM slams the brakes on Salmond's momentum

In pictures: Scenes from the Fife Institute in Glenrothes

Gerri Peev's by-election blog

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1

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 12:56:13
Alex Salmond is an embarassment. I was laughing as all those fat triumphalist smug self-serving boasts came full circle to smack him in the mouth.

To see another embarassing incident such as mason jumping around like a monkey high fiving people would have been too much for me to take.

Mind you Labour are just as bad. Except their voters don't harrass people on the net. How are all those boastful cyber-nats feeling? Death to the union in Glenrothes? You were so sure last week.
2

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 12:56:59
No you can't!
3

peteedinburgh,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 13:04:44
Never mind Alex, it was worth it just for the fun of seeing wee Nikki Sturgeon squirming on newsnight last night.
4

salmondella,

England 07/11/2008 13:14:10
Well done you Fifers! - you really did rise from your slumber under the threat of another opportunistic NAT MP being elected. - Now you have to demand that your new Labour MP stands up to Brown and fights for your bit of the neuk.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 07/11/2008 13:19:15
Let's face it: the people of Glenrothes are by and large uneducated council house dwellers who just follow the Labour herd. The BBC interviewed on lassie in her track suit bottoms. She was 18 - first chance to vote and she said she didn't have a clue so she "asked her granny". Granny said "this family always votes labour". Says it all really.
6

tog,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 13:21:16
Alex you where not just wrong about the result you were so out of the ball park wrong that it seems inexplicable. Perhaps the home care costs had something to do with it but surely the election was not won or lost just on that. I thought the major issue as was endlessly repeated was these huge utility bills people were receiving? Time for a big rethink. flooding the constituency with activists and knocking on more doors than the other party is clearly not enough in its self.
7

Calvinist,

07/11/2008 13:24:39
YES YOU ARE!
8

Not a socialist,

Glenrothes 07/11/2008 13:25:35
Hmmmm.... So Salmond says that he takes responsibility for SNP's loss but then blames the loss on Labour's scaremongering. That's not really taking responsibility now is it?
9

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/11/2008 13:25:42
The problem is though Alex that your "strategy" leaves you open to attacks.

Who introduced the Council Tax freeze without thinking about the consequences for local authority services?

Who keeps using oil as an economic argument and then has it thrown back at them when oil prices hit rock bottom?

Who was it that thought that HBOS and RBS were "global leaders" in financial services?

And who thought Iceland was in an Arc of Prosperity?
10

salmondella,

Scotland 07/11/2008 13:29:17
Blaming the opposition just about sums this guy up. The rank and file SNP supporters ahould realise that Salmond is fast becoming a liability - but what alternative is there? The honeymoon is well and truly over for the dreamers of independence.
11

The Tin Man,

07/11/2008 13:30:13
Labour: 'Your SNP-led council raised home-help charges by 1,980% and cut the education budget.

SNP: 'We'll give you free electricity'.

One message is negative, but truthful. The other message is _________ ?
12

Ugly George,

07/11/2008 13:31:49
Even if Alex Salmond genuinely believes he was to blame, it is not a tactful move to say so. It gives the impression that the SNP is just a one-man band.

If their strategy was wrong was their nobody in the party and campaign team with the perception to pick this up and act accordingly or at least advise Alex Salmond that he had got it wrong.
13

The Strategist,

07/11/2008 13:34:54
#12

Well the UK certainly isn't in the Arc of Prosperity and is in fact fast becoming the centre of economic despondency.

14

Not a socialist,

07/11/2008 13:35:58
#7 It's life but not as we know it

That really isn't fair.

Glenrothes has a very mixed population. Yes, some are of the uneducated variety but a great deal are not.

Still, the uneducated population are comparable to those in East Glasgow who took the decision to over-turn Labour and vote for SNP.

While some might blindly follow the political choice of their family (as happens in every constituency) is it not, perhaps, more convincing that those who voted for Labour either believe in their policies or used them as the only viable alternative when faced with an SNP arguement that they may have found unconvincing?
15

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 13:37:03
#7

"Let's face it: the people of Glenrothes are by and large uneducated council house dwellers"

And yet another sore-losing SNP supporter displaying a disgusting attitude for the people of Glenrothes.

If they always vote Labour because of their lack of education perhaps you could explain why the SNP won essentially the same seat in the 2007 Scottish election?
16

Not a socialist,

07/11/2008 13:42:58
Yeah 1

Nicely put!

The party that I support didn't do all that well but it doesn't mean that I think everyone who voted for Labour, or SNP for that matter, is a bit thick between the ears. It's more a matter that the party had a poor candidate, didn't engage with the electorate it a way that would suitably allow them to promote their policies and also because the media is rather unhelpful by not allowing equal coverage of all the contending parties.
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McMillar,

Fife 07/11/2008 13:45:09
Very low #7 and rather disappointing. You ever been to Glenrothes? Salmond is doing a good job as First Minister but the arrogance and SNP bandwagon can be too much at times. I’m a supporter of what he has done but people will vote as they see fit and there is much to be said for the fact that Glenrothes went against the expected result and demonstrated that as a unit they have a clear voice.
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Professor22,

lochgelly 07/11/2008 13:49:20
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Heres the thing...... SNP Lost! Labour Won!

loooooosssssssseeeeeerrrrrr!

What I do find really amusing is that if SNP had won this article would be hundreds of comments long. Looks like the SNP voters are all hiding under the covers today.

Looks like they have nothing of value to say on the matter....

Nothing changed there then
19

JG,

Fife 07/11/2008 13:52:40
Ahh. So Mr. Smug isn't feeling so smug in smugland today.
And I also found it wryly amusing to watch Nicola Sturgeon squirm on TV last night. Only a nail on her seat could have made it more uncomfortable for her!
20

AJ Fife,

07/11/2008 13:53:16
It takes a big man to admit he got it wrong! The Statesman-like Mr Salmond wins the day again.

btw, an increase of 13% in the vote is no mean achievement. Well done to all in the SNP campaign!

The momentum is still with Mr Salmond and his team.
21

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 07/11/2008 13:53:59
#22 and others

The fact remains that Labour got us into this economic catastrophe and now, because a few council house numpties with no education (who would vote for a tethered goat if it had a Labour badge on it) we are all going to suffer.

Thanks for destroying the whole UK Glenrothes; your deep fat fried chips and gravy mob has done you proud.
22

Joe McLaine,

07/11/2008 13:57:41
SM753:

Nice script. Fancy a collaboration some time?

I was thinking of something based around Thomas the Tank Engine with Alex as The Fat Controller, or about an SNP night-time raid on Greggs called "The Scone of Destiny".
23

Farky,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 13:57:45
I do hope the new MP serves his constituents well. Even is he does not, he'll likely be part of the Labour gravy train for some time to come.

Was it "Sir" Alex that won it for Labour, John Prescott? (BTW is he in the Lords yet)? Was it the heopeless message on the Labour leaflets that hammer home the dependency message of - NO you can't and No you won't!

I'll stick with the SNP message of YES WE CAN & YES WE WILL!
24

tatties n, neeps,

07/11/2008 14:01:06
#8 sm. Look i am neither for or against Alex Salmond and drifted on to this thread out of mild interest ,but your comment at 8 had me laughing out loud at my screen, don't know how you earn a crust but you've a real gift with words,many thanks.
25

New in Nairn,

07/11/2008 14:02:22
#22. Excellent comment, in my opinion. It's called democracy, and sometimes this is the price to be paid.
My only concern in all of this is that people in Fife are happy to accept Gordon Brown as "the man for the job" when he is massively responsible for having got the whole of the UK into the unwholly mess it finds itself. The IMF are not wrong - the UK economy is the basket case of all the developed economies, and for him to state that we are "better placed" than other economies to recover is farcical, pure and simple. We are massively more indebted per head of population than the US, yet we are "better placed".
But that doesn't stop Darling encouraging people who are losing their jobs to "spend their way out of recession". Nice.

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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 14:03:46
SALMOND IN RESPONSIBILITY ACCEPTANCE SHOCKER!

This must be a first?

Surely! I am in shock.

He blames Westminster for everything.

But not this?

As Victor Meldrew would say "I dont beleive it"!
27

JG,

Fife 07/11/2008 14:06:27
#25 AJ
"It takes a big man to admit he got it wrong!"

He's certainly a big man AJ (how are you doing, by the way?) - maybe a few less pies and a longer walk around Glenrothes would have been a better option for Salmond.
As I keep saying, I don't support ANY party but how come the people of Glenrothes who supported Labour are described as "a few council house numpties" BUT had they supported SNP (because it would have been the same ones who voted!) they would have been well, what? Geniuses? Highly intelligent?
28

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 14:06:48
#26

"because a few council house numpties with no education (who would vote for a tethered goat if it had a Labour badge on it)"

And I will ask again - if these people with 'no education' would vote for labour under any conditions, perhap you could explain how the SNP won essentially the same Glenrothes seat in the 2007 Scottish election?
29

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/11/2008 14:09:37
A really disappointing result. Enjoy it while you can because this seat will be up for grabs again within 18 months. Maybe a lot sooner.
30

Dave B,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:10:37
The sad message is that many Labour supporters are secretly happy about the current economic gloom.

Putting Scotland down and comparing us to tiny Iceland - hoping people stick with labour out of fear..

Keeping people down and in their place has always been a successful labour tactic.
31

brownlie,

07/11/2008 14:11:24
17 sm753

"Mike (Michael) Russell - Nats won't have him - he's English"

For your information he is highly thought of in the SNP. He was the Chief Executive for around five years and is now the Minister for the Environment.

I particularly like him because he named his company "Eala Bhan".

btw, I see someone at 27 wants to be your special friend - lonely no more, eh?
32

McMillar,

Fife 07/11/2008 14:15:01
#26 You make a great point there and demonstrate quite clearly why the people of Glenrothes got it right this time round. If you are a supported then vote the other way – no brainer.

As #30 states we do live in a democracy! Politics is still about dealing with people and in this case the SNP have miscalculated how to win the support. Doesn’t mean they are right or wrong…just that they were not convincing and Labour were the better bet. (even if Brown did get us into this).

Rather than sore losers ranting away about the level of education in Glenrothes (where they have a fine institution in Adam Smith College – shared with Kirkcaldy) I’d prefer a clear statement about why the SNP would have been a better choice and how they will work locally to win the next one. Not just hurls insults. Salmond is very good but I can see how he doesn’t appeal to everyone and Scots never like this level of expectation and arrogance. This will probably make him a better leader in the long run.
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JG,

Fife 07/11/2008 14:16:46
#36 Dave B
I thought it was Salmond who held up Iceland, Ireland and Norway as beacons of independence and something us Scots should aspire to? I take it he's dropped Iceland and is just sticking to the other two now?
34

Joe McLaine,

07/11/2008 14:17:01
37, Brownie:

Why would calling something "White Swan" be enough to make you like someone?
35

brownlie,

07/11/2008 14:22:50
40 Joe

One of my relatives wrote the song.
36

Joe McLaine,

07/11/2008 14:31:10
I've just read the lyrics. Very appropriate for Wee Eck today...

"Sad, I consider my condition with my heart filled with sorrow."

Perhaps they could change the line about flowers in a cow pen that will never see the light to something about SNP voters in Glenrothes.
37

brownlie,

07/11/2008 14:37:07
42 Joe

I don't think these are the original lyrics.

The lyrics might be more appropriate to the soldiers in Afghanistan risking their lives in a war they cannot win.
38

Joe McLaine,

07/11/2008 14:40:29
39: JG Fife

Salmond will never give up on Iceland as long as they sell Chicken Tikka Lasagne for a pound. When served with chips, it shows everything he likes about multiculturalism.
39

watcher,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:41:45
The voter is now asking what happens if Scotland get independance? What happens when the SNP dissolve after independance, where does Salmond and his cronies go.
They will obviously form a new Capitalist Party, or join the Tories, while the foot Soldiers go back to Labour so what will cahnge?
Just a Country without a banking system, National Health or Social security and of course security.
40

Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 14:42:32
I wonder if the Anti-Semetic SM 753 1/2/Jackie Priest?Parcel/Spanners is still denying all his multiple monikers.

Only one idiot could ever continually spell 'increase' as 'increace'.

"18 suchaparcelofrogues,Scotland 16/10/2008 10:06:00
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UK government the Liebour party with real policies:

Increace terror threat to country.
Increace draconian police powers.
Increace in National debt
Increace in personal debt
Increace in inflation
Increace in unemployment.
Allow massive increaces in food.
Allow massive increaces in utility costs.
Hide increace in unemployment by only measuring certain criteria."

And from another post:

"41 sm 7531/2,31/10/2008 09:41:18


If Labour win by an increaced majority only then will it be a Labour win."
41

murren59,

Isle of Arran 07/11/2008 14:43:43
This is a huge disappointment for all SNP supporters, but certainly not the end of the world.

Brown's North Britain neighbours succumbed to the unionist media spun fallacy of Gordo being the saviour of the economy rather than the reality that he is the high heid yin who caused this financial disaster.

These same North Britain dwellers will have plenty of opportunity in the coming months / years to reflect on the wisdom of their votes.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 14:44:29
37 brownlie,07/11/2008 14:11:24
17 sm753

"Mike (Michael) Russell - Nats won't have him - he's English"

For your information he is highly thought of in the SNP. He was the Chief Executive for around five years and is now the Minister for the Environment."

Yes and it is well known that Salmond cant stand him and sidelined him.

In reality they are just different cheeks of the same Ass!
43

danbob,

07/11/2008 14:48:05
It's life but not as we know it#

You and people like you are the very reason scots will reject nationalism. Because you declare war on your own countrymen who have the nerve to disagree with you. It's not the UK union scots need to fear, it's scots like you.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 14:48:24
Hey Connaughtboy (the new mystic meg)remember this post?

connaughtboy,
stonehaven 03/11/2008 02:42:27
I see that the bookie odds are moving in favour of the SNP again. I predict a majority of 2,000 in Glenrothes. The Labour campaign has been so full of negativity, they deserve everything coming to them !


HAHAHAHAHAHA

Can you tell me tomorrows lottery numbers, Mystic Meg?

I am thinking of going to the canaries next Easter, can you tell me what the weather will be like?
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 07/11/2008 14:49:55
I think the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Peter Grant, the guy is obviously a sleazer and a big mistake for SNP candidacy, Get rid of this liability then try again...
46

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 14:52:39
Alex Salmond and the SNP really showed themselves up as a bunch of arrogant boastful idiots yesterday.

The say anything do nothing brigade that they are. I bet everyone is laughing behind the backs of the SNP voters at work today. You know whay they are like, always hijacking every office conversation about independence. They have nothing else in their sad little lives.

How funny. I bet they are reading these threads today and fuming, but won't dare post in case anyone reminds them or their arrogant boasts and racist comments early this week.

The conservative voters changed to Labour to keep the SNP out. Another nail in the coffin of serperatism.
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07/11/2008 14:54:10
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Rufus T. Firefly,

Here is Some Comedy Gold 07/11/2008 14:55:08
Alex Salmond predicted another tremor in favour of the Scottish National Party when voters go to the polls in Glenrothes to select a new MP.

The First Minister, unsurprisingly, said the nationalists were on course to pull off a shock win in the November 6 by-election, similar to the "political earthquake" his party caused after overturning a 10,500 Labour majority to win the Glasgow East seat in July.

"I detect that the political earth is still shaking from Glasgow East and it's going to be felt next here in Glenrothes," he said.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 14:56:45
GB007

The pleasure is all mine.

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07/11/2008 14:57:20
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07/11/2008 14:58:56
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 14:58:59
Some more comedy gold!

"Asked if the SNP would overturn Labour’s 10,664-strong majority, Mr Salmond echoed the slogan used by Barack Obama during his US presidential election campaign: “Yes we can and yes we will.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Was that "Yes we will"??

HAHAHAHAHA

What a loser!
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07/11/2008 14:59:47
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Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:01:15
#52

"I think the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Peter Grant, the guy is obviously a sleazer and a big mistake for SNP candidacy, Get rid of this liability then try again"

No. Considering Salmond hogged the headlines and visited Glenrothes 12 time the blame falls squarely with him.

He was too arrogant and smug, particularly with his "we will win" quote.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 07/11/2008 15:01:31
#35 Oh yes, the sad little person who comes from a council house and is probably playing Nintendo in his track suit as we speak. If you managed to get up to go and buy some chips and gravy then yes - you have achived a lot today. Congratulations. No doubt you will tell us that you are a successful stock broker, merchant banker or astronaut. Sadly not; you are obviously a fool with too many kids in a small motel room spongeing off the tax payer like all your loser friends. Own up.
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07/11/2008 15:01:32
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07/11/2008 15:02:41
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07/11/2008 15:04:20
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:04:29
#59 GB007, yes I know I am.

It just comes naturally as well, who would have believed it.

I am actually a script writer for "Chewin the Fat".

I look upon Alex Salmond is the fat that I like to chew.
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George Coutts,

Iceland 07/11/2008 15:04:42
What a load of rubbish.
The S.N.P. new well and fine that the chance of toppling a massive Labour majority stronghold was slim to nowhere.
13,000 people voted for the only Freedom party and as an ex pat with full voting righs I say a heartfelt thanks to all who braved out on a miserable november day,
Also thanks to all the scots who defended poor little ICELAND population 300,000.
And No NO NO Gordon they are not terrorists, Just a Brave independent nation who would die first before a nother nation stole their fishing stocks. thats their wee bit hill and glen. and DONT FRRGET IT.
Well done Alex and the Freedom Fighter.
George Coutts.
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chico y,

07/11/2008 15:06:01
Well done to the SNP in making massive inroads into the liebore majority. Liebore sleaze and war mongers continue to lose ground which is positive.

The reasons liebore won are
1 - despite how pathetic Brown is he is still a fifer and the people there have some loyalty to him as would be expected.
2 - Sick negative scaremongering by liebore.

The honeymoon may be over for the SNP but that is preferable to the slow death of liebore. When they look back in the history books this will clearly be seen as a freak result.

It's just as well Lyndsay Roy won anyway as it would surely be unacceptable to have someone who was shown to be a liar responsible for a school - however, for liebore MP's it's par for the course.

It's a shame for the poorer people of Glenrothes though. Many of them must have quite challenging lives and they have not really helped themselves,but hey each election more are starting to wise up.

Roll on the General election it will be good to see liebore routed throughout the UK.
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07/11/2008 15:08:50
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Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:10:57
#64

Why are you avoiding answering my question?

You criticised the people of Glenrothes for their percieved lack of education and claimed they would "vote for a tethered goat if it had a Labour badge on it".

So perhaps you could explain how the SNP won essentially the same seat in the 2007 Scottish election?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:11:31
Any more by-elections and the SNP better be careful they dont lose their deposit.
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07/11/2008 15:11:57
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:12:05
Only one lesson to be learned, the setting up of a Rapid Response Team to counter unionist lies, distortions and half truths as they arrive and if the SNP already has that, then it needs beefed up big time.

This team should be anticipating and preparing in advance and responding to issues as they happen and of course, like out own Traquir, they should have URL's or other sources where possible to back up everything they say. People love and NEED proof of what they are being told.

Indeed the person behind Traquir would make an excellent head of such a team.
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Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:12:07
#70

"The S.N.P. new well and fine that the chance of toppling a massive Labour majority stronghold was slim to nowhere"

Er...so that's why they were the favourites with the bookies and Alex Salmond said "we will win"? right....
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07/11/2008 15:12:31
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:12:52
72 GB007

Sorry but you will need to join the queue, I have been inundated with requests.

Most of them unprintable may I add.

Where has the Spook gone? He was another Mystic Meg.
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Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 15:13:46
I bet the bookies are raking it in with the daft SNP scumbags. They tricked them into making bets, suckers! A fool and their money are easily seperated, how true.
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Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:14:05
#71

"Well done to the SNP in making massive inroads into the liebore majority. Liebore sleaze and war mongers continue to lose ground which is positive."

Not too sure how you can describe a party that increases its vote and its vote percentage as 'losing ground'?
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:15:40
I see the unionist ducks are at full quack all over the threads today....bless, poor souls don't have much to quack about these days.

Enjoy while you can ducks, your particular Thanksgiving is drawing near.
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Andrew Allan,

07/11/2008 15:17:13
The next time there is an election the Labour government will not be able to rely on the good feel factor brought about by the Obama win in America. In fact considering we are heading straight into a recession it is unlikely that Obama will benefit from his own talent.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 07/11/2008 15:17:14
#80 Viva Victoria - you would be the uneducated fat idiot off Little Britain would you?
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Joe McLaine,

07/11/2008 15:18:13
Chica!!!

Good to see you're up and about after your lunchtime nap at the Macdonald Road Crèche.

Even after you lost in Glenrothes, it is good to see you sticking to your tired old rubrics. I particularly like the condescending tone you take towards those who have just rejected you; insulting the electorate.

How's that working out for you?

Keep it up and the seat will still be with Labour in 18 months time.

77

Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:19:12
76 Brian Hill,Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:12:05
"Only one lesson to be learned, the setting up of a Rapid Response Team"....."Indeed the person behind Traquir would make an excellent head of such a team".

Brian you have made my day.

Traquir, the biggest bore on the planet, is going to be your new team leader!

What delightful times.

Dont forget special agent Jimmy Le Pie for uncovering all the exclusives.

You have the making of a great team there.

Add in Nevsky the Norwegian Ambasador, and you could take over the world.
78

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 15:19:39
83 Brian Hill

Is that you having a little spite fantasy there? Independence will forever remain a spite fantasy for you, the SNP will always get voted down.

Your delusional denial of that borders on out-right insanity.

Your primary school folder project is hilarious by the way, I was embarassed for you at first, but have come around to realising that while it will never influence anyone, at least it gets you out the house and socialising with other SNP wierdos. And that has to be healthier for you.
79

The Strategist,

07/11/2008 15:21:36
#80

A fool and his money are easily separated is indeed a truism... You and your tax for example..

You'll go on paying it to Gordon regardless. He in turn gives it to the banks, spends it on wars and nuclear subs.. It must make you so proud..
80

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:22:46
#84

"The next time there is an election the Labour government will not be able to rely on the good feel factor brought about by the Obama win in America"

Are you suggesting that labour won this by-election because Obama won the presidency? What a ridiculous idea.

Do you really think the people of Glenrothes thought 'oh Obama has won so I'm going to vote labour'?

If anyone was trying to capitalise on the 'feel good' factor of Obama's win it was the SNP by using his 'yes we can' slogan.
81

Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:24:02
17 Brian Hill,02/09/2008 12:04:09

"Labour can rightly be accused of selfishness in the selection of Lindsay Roy as their candidate.

When Mr Roy loses and returns to KHS asking for loyalty for the school from students and staff he will find himself on a sticky wicket.

Thank you Labour Party, your reward will come very soon now."

HAHA Brian Hill, more comedy gold. 'When Mr Roy loses'!

All the Natz were so sure of themselves.

What a wonderful day.

Who do you think is on a sticky wicket today?

I would counter that it is not Mr Roy.
82

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 15:24:36
89 The streategist

I am very proud of the British Army, so in part you are right.

I hate Labour, I hate those taxes too, but I have no choice. There are too many plebs in Scotland who can't see passed the council estate or the next fish supper and so vote Labour/SNP.

People on benefits don't even have to cook for themselves. They eat out on me every night of the week. That is why I hate Labour, all they do is create clients of the state.

But like I say, I don't have a bad word for being British or the British Military.
83

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 15:24:44
87 Rufus#

Norway doin very well and Ireland predicted to come out of recession well ahead of the UK.

Uk is level with Estonia and Latvia, a failed country and Scotland part of a failed union but it's only a by-election so no problem.

To great events of the last week Lindsay Roy elected and Barack Obama, wonder which will have a bigger impact?
84

The Strategist,

07/11/2008 15:25:36
Individual insolvencies went up by 8.8% in the third quarter of the year to reach 27,087.

Corporate liquidations also went up by 10.5% in the same period, to 4,001.

Thanks Gordon... BTW can u remind me when you're putting up corporation tax for small businesses or 97% of all Scottish companies. And tell me Gordon isn't that the same time as you intend lowering corporation tax for big businesses such as the energy companies and banks..
85

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 07/11/2008 15:25:48
#69 I have a good friend who actually is a scriptwriter for 'Chewin the Fat' and I will tell you now he is definetly nothing like you in any way. In fact he dislikes you and your condascending comments...(Official)...
86

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 15:26:22
92 Viva#

Ever been to Coventry, Hull and Grimbsby. Bigger slums than anything in Scotland and the thickest people i have ever met Victoria i am afraid.

No surprise they are Labour voters though.
87

The Strategist,

07/11/2008 15:27:19
#92

I apologise.. I had wrongly assumed you were a Labour supporter.
88

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 15:28:37
96 Nevsky

You are right. Labour do create slums and scumbags, that is how they operate.

Their pals come around and kick your head in and then Labour offer you protection, for a small fee of course.

But what you fail to recognise, is that the SNP are scum too. People can hate more than one oplitical party. The SNP and Labour are all self-serving bottom feeders.
89

Andrew Allan,

07/11/2008 15:30:05
#90 Yeah 1.
Is that right Yeah 1, have you not been watching the news, and the world wide effect Barack Obama's win has had, and the belief that the world is a better place now. Now tell me again that the Glenrothes result couldn't be effected by the feel good effect from the Obama win.
90

Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:34:26
As you would say Nevsky "I feel your pain"!
91

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:34:32
#99

"Now tell me again that the Glenrothes result couldn't be effected by the feel good effect from the Obama win"

Are you seriously suggesting people in Glenrothes voted for labour because Obama won? You are completely deluded.

I don't disagree that there is a feel good factor from his victory but why on earth would this influence how people vote, and why would it translate itself into Labour votes rather than votes for the SNP or any other party?

Considering the SNP 'adopted' Obama's 'Yes we can' and SNP supporters urged people to follow his lead and vote for 'equality and freedom' it is more likely the SNP would have benefited from any feel good factor translating itself into votes.
92

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/11/2008 15:36:27
#35 HE

If you have to boast about it, then it is unlikely to be true. In any case, you have no idea how wealthy or successful others are on this thread.
93

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 07/11/2008 15:41:52
#103 yes indeed. The richest people I know drive older cars - modest cars - and don't flaunt their wealth. Says it all really.
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07/11/2008 15:46:09
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You can stick your independence up your a***!!,

07/11/2008 15:48:13
Sir Sean Connery, Winnie Ewing, Gordon Wilson, Sir William Wolfe, Irvine Welsh, Elain C Smith, Brian Soutar, we have beaten them all, we have beaten them all . . . Alex Salmond, can you hear me? Alex Salmond . . . your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/11/2008 15:50:35
#102 Joe

Very few SNP supporters would describe Salmond as an embarrassment (if any). Don't think for a moment that we will be put off by Glenrothes. We, like your worst nightmare, will be back, all to play for again and within the next 18 months.
97

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 15:50:49
105 Rufus#

Here is what is not funny:

'no more boom and bust'
'you cannot spend your way out of a recession'

600 people a day going bankrupt and 2,500,000 predicted to be on the dole next year; funny?

One by-election Rufus, you shouldn't get too excited, really.

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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:50:54
#106 Dont forget

Andy Stewart
Moira Anderson
The Alexander Brothers
The Krankies and Willie the Gardener from the Simpsons
99

Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 15:51:48
Nevsky, I feel your pain.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 15:53:40
106#

Think you are forgetting the 40% of Scots who will (at minimum) vote for independence after the Tories come to power.

Will you tell nearly half the Scottish people the same?
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Yeah1,

07/11/2008 15:57:00
'It's life but not as we know it':

I will ask yet again.

You said the people of Glenrothes would "vote for a tethered goat if it had a Labour badge on it".

So perhaps you could explain how the SNP won essentially the same seat in the 2007 Scottish election?

You are an embarassment.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 15:57:07
110 Rufus#

I don't feel pain Rufus. I have been a nationalist for a long time and remember the days when there was pretty much no hope for the SNP.

Twenty years ago if you said that 40% of Scots would vote for independence you would have been taken to a psychiatric ward (you know them i am sure).

Today the SNP are in power in a Scottish Parliament which would have been unthinkably so i can wait, it's beed a steady drift to the inevitable during my lifetime.

I reckon 2014 although 2010 might be close, but it will happen Rufus you can be sure of that.
103

Viva Victoria ,

07/11/2008 15:59:16
111 Nevsky

Some day to be making predictions. You are cute though.

Having fallen flat on your face, you're quite right, best thing to do is to jump back on the beast and start making fanciful claims that are stupid, unsubstatiated and totally incorrect.

I commend you for your persistance, sir. Only 18% of Scots will vopte for independence, ever. And 9% of your voters are likely to have grown up by 2050 when you next get an opportubnity to annoy us with your silly question.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 16:03:24
113 Nevsky,Moscow 07/11/2008 15:57:07

"I have been a nationalist for a long time and remember the days when there was pretty much no hope for the SNP."

You mean like today?

"Twenty years ago if you said that 40% of Scots would vote for independence you would have been taken to a psychiatric ward"

You mean like today?

"Today the SNP are in power in a Scottish Parliament which would have been unthinkably so i can wait, it's beed a steady drift to the inevitable during my lifetime."

A parliament with no powers that would not look out of place in Disneyland?

"I reckon 2014 although 2010 might be close, but it will happen Rufus you can be sure of that."

Oh dear, delusional as well I see.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 16:04:04
114 Viva#

Haven't fallen flat on my face as the whole by-election has been an anti-climax, not even headlines in the UK papers.

I am surprised the SNP did not win as everyone thought they would including Labour. I am also surprised that the Tories and Lib Dems lost their deposits!

Nope, a clear 40% with a conservative government in Westminster would vote for independence with 16% of those voting no more likely to vote yes, personally i would put the figure higher.

I just can't imagine that all Labour supporters are against independence or Lib Dems or even some Tories.

Scotland will not be able to stomach with a Bullingdon Club conservative government in Westminster i think.

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Novascot,

sauchie 07/11/2008 16:05:31
As a casual observer with no party paying me to come on this board, I cannot beleive the outright lies and innuendo that came from Labour without a very forceful rebuttal.
The Care charges issue was explained but not in a forceful way. People should have been called liars. The costs have risen for those who can afford to pay because the previous Fife Council had left a black economical hole which had to be filled. But Fife didn't put up their charges nearly as much as Glasgow Council which is Labour controlled. So it is ok for Labour controlled Councils to increase charges but no one else.
Remember too that the Fife Council is run by the Lib Dems as well as the SNP but there were no cries of shame to their Candidate.

The headlines in some papers, especially the local press were outrageous. Manipulation of the masses by the pen has gone on for centuaries.
Give us a real Free Press with no party axe to grind and we will not get so frustrated with the one sided views we have now.
I am just an ordinary person with no membership of any political party but I see a great danger to Democracy in a virtual state press, printing Party dogma as though it were the truth.
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Yeah1,

07/11/2008 16:07:17
#114

"Some day to be making predictions. You are cute though."

Yes I would have thought SNP supporters would avoid making any predictions for a while after their great leader's "we will win" prediction came decidingly wrong...
109

brusque,

07/11/2008 16:09:03
Viva Victoria; "But what you fail to recognise, is that the SNP are scum too. People can hate more than one oplitical party. The SNP and Labour are all self-serving bottom feeders".

So do you hate all political parties equally, or is there one deserving of your articulate [even if very badly spelled] meanderings?

Or are you just using these forums to vent your spleen at anyone who seems better educated, better paid and better informed than yourself?

Jealousy is a terrible thing.
110

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 16:09:50
119 Yeah1#

I will also predict that Labour get thrown out of Westminster at the next election and that you will be subject to conservative rule for 8 years, how is that?
111

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 16:15:54
#121

"I will also predict that Labour get thrown out of Westminster at the next election and that you will be subject to conservative rule for 8 years, how is that?"

As I said, I would recommend avoiding making any predictions for the foreseeable future in light of Salmond's prediction coming disastrously wrong...
112

brusque,

07/11/2008 16:16:00
Will Lyndsey Roy EVER get a mention?

Will he ever crack a smile?

Will he ever make even one appearance in Westminster, or will they just take in a life-sized photo [because let's face it, they would be as well!!]?

Will he ever get to highlight the nationally important issue of potholes in the pavement?

And will he ever acquaint himself with the real budget figures for his own school, or will it take on of the Maths Teachers to let him know that a 10% INCREASE, is not actually a CUT.?

Steep learning curve I'd say!
113

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 16:17:52
123 Yeah#


Labour got it wrong as well, they predicted internally that they were going to lose.

Labour will be out at the next election though, you might fool people in Glenrothes over care charges but not middle England regarding the economy!
114

TWC,

ayrshire 07/11/2008 16:19:09
keep yer cool lads it will all come out in the wash.

Meantime I've moved all my money and can relax when Big Gordy's Merde hits the fan over the next 3 months, SNP don't matter to me, but I hated to see NEW Labour win anything. But they did so Enjoy it
TTFN a large Brandy is required
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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 16:21:03
125 janis#

Same place you get yours, the media.
116

brusque,

07/11/2008 16:27:51
So a By Election in Glenrothes, which almost ALL of England claim they didn't even know was happening...............is now Brown's ressurection?

How sad is that? Still, I suppose it must be nice for him to bust that LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG losing streak he has been going through.

And anything that lulls him into being foolish enough to go to the voters, will do for me.

Bring on the General Election.
117

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 16:28:54
129 janis#

and what?
118

AJ Fife,

07/11/2008 16:29:12
A lot of unionists oot today!

What IS the collective noun for unionists?

A 'traitor of unionists' or perhaps something more lavatorial would be appropriate!
119

brusque,

07/11/2008 16:31:13
Most assuredly lavatorial!

After all, they spend all day talking the proverbial.
120

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 16:34:52
#132

"A 'traitor of unionists' or perhaps something more lavatorial would be appropriate!"

You really need to let go of this idea that just because they don't support the SNP or independence, people are 'traitors'.

It's extremist attitudes like that that put neutrals and 'undecided's' off the SNP.

If you really want Scotland to vote for independence I would suggest using less inflammatory words to describe your fellow Scots.
121

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 16:37:04
130 brusque#

You don't seriously expect a Scottish by-election to be headlined in English papers do you?

Glen Rothes will probably be a Scottish actor to most of them 'dawn saff'. They are not interested and i don't blame them; a miner in Fife has little in common with a merchant banker who dines every night in Maida Vale.
122

JT23,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 16:37:09
Labour was very good last night at avoiding gloating and, let's face it, it would seem a bit pathetic to do so given that the only time they haven't won this seat is when it went to the Communist Party.

Meanwhile the bitterness of an arrogant but shaken First Minister was sure to show the following day.

Instead First Minister Salmond has accepted the blame and is having, inter alia, his weight, his smugness and his grandstanding criticised.

Oh how the roles are reversed. I'm a Tory, I don't think my party is ready to form a government and I don't want independence but I hope that Labour gets creamed in Scotland because the people supporting them on here seem like poison.
123

brusque,

07/11/2008 16:39:53
#134

"If you really want Scotland to vote for independence I would suggest using less inflammatory words to describe your fellow Scots.""

Isn't that advice you should be giving your fellow foul mouthed unionists?

I invariably lose interest when the level of comment is that of 4 year olds, albeit 4 year olds with a propensity for profanity!

Rufus could do with a bit of personal coaching in case you are wondering.

Although, could I suggest you keep it at words of less than 2 sylables, on previous form, he doesn't strike me as too bright.
124

brusque,

07/11/2008 16:45:23
Still not a single mention of Lyndsay Roy!

He is clearly not going to be a high profile politician!
125

Yeah1,

07/11/2008 16:47:00
#136

"I hope that Labour gets creamed in Scotland because the people supporting them on here seem like poison"

As opposed to the oh-so-nice SNP supporters on here calling their fellow Scots 'traitors' and the people of Glenrothes 'thick' and 'uneducated' 'idiots' who 'deserve to wallow in their pit of filth' simply because they happened not to vote SNP?
126

StopTheNumpties,

07/11/2008 16:48:39
What a misleading headline. Salmond didn't take responsibility at all - he blamed Labor's campaign message. He is right on one thing though: his finger isn't on the temperature of the constituencies, whereever he actually got it stuck this time. Time to buy another clue, Mr. Salmond!
127

Ewan M,

07/11/2008 17:12:35
Salmond's arrogance and huge ego finally caught up with them. Imagine saying they had one it before the vote even begun. He held people with contempt.
128

JG,

Fife 07/11/2008 17:22:58
#133 Yeah 1
"You really need to let go of this idea that just because they don't support the SNP or independence, people are 'traitors'."

Oh it gets worse than that! I'm not affiliated to ANY of the parties but if you make any critical remark about the SNP you are verbally stoned to death!
129

arc of insolvency,

07/11/2008 17:25:12
WELL DONE GLENROTHES, A VICTORY AGAINST SMARM OVER SUBSTANCE.

SCOTLAND WILL RISE AS A STRONG COUNTRY WITHIN A STRONG UNION.
130

George Mackay,

Dundee 07/11/2008 17:26:15
Q Have you any faults Alex?
Alex. I used to be smug. But now I'll be perfect.
131

arc of insolvency,

07/11/2008 17:28:03
#149 Unfortunately too many SNP supporter think like that on this form. That's why there losing the argument.
132

arc of insolvency,

07/11/2008 17:29:14
And best post of the day goes to #152. Superb.
133

Media 1,

cape town 07/11/2008 17:31:24
We must strive to protect Britain, our union and Scotland -
Men like Salmond cannot be permitted to destroy Scotland!
134

Publius,

motorway service station on M6 07/11/2008 17:33:10
Triumphant yes for independence in 2010 referendum.

No chance.
135

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 17:33:24
157 Media#

Brown is doing a fine job as it is, not only of Scotland it should be added.
136

Rufus T. Firefly,

07/11/2008 17:34:59
#158 Hopefully sooner.
137

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 17:36:23
151 arc of insolvency:

I think your moniker is looking a little dated, Iceland will be fine (no thanks to the UK), Ireland predicted to come out or recession well ahead of the UK and Nowray muddling along in the happy knowledge of £200 billion in the bank.

The UK is down there with little Estonia and Latvia as far as the economy goes, Brown has achieved in 11 years what the communists did in 80..not bad going!

138

Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 17:38:56
Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, UK....

Couldn't make it up; French and German's ecrety having a good laugh at failed blighty LOL.
139

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 07/11/2008 17:43:17
Ex Mining community of Fife votes for Labour AGAIN, Labour leader and PM is from the neighbouring constituency. Current SNP council are very unpopular due to the massive budget deficit they have in Glenrothes area.

These factors are not transferable to the rest of Scotland and definetly not transferable to the rest of the UK.

Brown bounce??

It was disappointing but hardly the end of the fight for independence.

Losing an insignificant labour stronghold Fife seat would have only been the end for Labour and especially Gordon Brown.

Nobody expects everyone in Scotland to vote for the same party but only through our pressure do we increase the representation and importance of Scottish Issues and government.

The labour supporters can pat themselves on the back today, the death sentence has been delayed this time but for how long.

But to pretend the fact you did not get hammered in your heartland and stronghold, seeing your enemies share increase by 13% of the voters.

To claim that as victory.......Are you lot confused?

I consider it progress for the SNP. We increased our vote by 4478 new voters and liebour increased theirs by 551.

We will be back until we are independent. With our without the support of Glenrothes.

We do not need Glenrothes but Labour are dead without it.

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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 17:44:58
166 Blimpy#

Unlike Germany and France the UK has no reserves, the piggy wiggy bank is empty and ALL the money for the bail outs has been borrowed from foreign countries.

Couple that with Brown holding out the begging bowl to Arab countries and it does not look good, the money just is not there for a prolonged recession and he knows it.
141

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 07/11/2008 17:45:57
Despite all the hoo hah and most of the ill informed comments above, labour got almost exactly the same number of votes as they did in 2005. The SNP simply took votes of the lib dums.
#26 was correct - they would have voted for a goat in that area if it had a red jacket on.
All the grandstanding by Salmond and Broon was a complete waste of time and money.
The Glenrothes result will have no bearing on a general election where Gordon Brown will pay the penalty for 10 years of fiscal mismanagement and the his backside well and truly kicked.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 07/11/2008 18:00:34
Wiki Quote to put it in perspective.

"Fife is traditionally a stronghold for the Labour Party. McDougall had held Glenrothes and its forerunner, Central Fife, since 2001, when he succeeded Henry McLeish. Willie Hamilton had previously represented the area, which has elected Labour MPs since Hamilton won West Fife from the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1950."

Most importantly all the wind up merchants can have their day gloating. They won the fight and we lost the fight.

Being a New Labour supporter cannot be a very cheerfull position in recent months or years. So enjoy you day of cheer.

The Independence movement are made of stronger stuff than the London based sycophants of the Labour party.

What pathetic creatures that denies their own people at least the parcel of rogues were paid in Gold. You idiots are content with a Giro.

The English Support England - Normal
The French Support France - Normal
The Americans Support USA - Normal

Labour supporters in Scotland support a foreign country over their own out of self interest and fear. Shamefull.




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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 18:07:00
What does make me laugh about Scottish Unionists (as opposed to the English ones who couldn't care less about Scotland) is the seriouseness with which they take the union.

They i am convinced really do believe that Scotland is part of an equal union and that they are striding forward into the future arm in arm with their fellow (and equally passionate Britons).

The fact is that the English (in my experience) really could not give a monkey's about the union and Scotland's unionists are fast becoming a strange breed that belong in no-man's land.

To prove how much your fellow unionists down south care have a look at the Times website, Glenrothes is not even mentioned!




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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 18:08:11
173 me#

Times front page i mean, think you are important in London or equal? Think again.
145

the thinking man,

falkirk 07/11/2008 18:13:13
If confirmation was ever required that most Fifers are thick then this election result provides conclusive proof.
146

An Greumach Mor,

Scotlands 07/11/2008 18:14:03
Labour supporters would never sacrifice their life for their country a large percentage of them will not even work to support their own families. They are the party of jakies.

You have much to be ashamed of New/Old Labour.

Then there is the activists/party leaders who will lie, smear and take illegal money for their beloved communist cause while blinding the needy with empty promises never to be delivered.

The record of achievement in Scotland for Labour controlled areas is awfull. Many parts are so disfunctional it will take decades to fix. Yet here you are gloating about success. The problem with Labour is they are about the party, not the people.

Time will eventually sort the mess you idiots have made of the economy, health service, schools etc but a benefits dependent culture will take generations to sort.

Labour have nothing to be proud of especially in fife. Just drive through Cowdenbeath and Glenrothes to observe the Labour heartland.

147

radge dug,

07/11/2008 18:17:14
Shows how far the SNP have come when cuting 4K of Labour in one of their heartlands is seen as a 'dissapointment'.

SNP have nothing to worry about.
148

Media 1,

cape town 07/11/2008 18:20:20
The SNP only have Salmond to worry about - and that is enough worry for any party
149

Boab,

Glasgow 07/11/2008 18:21:56
It was sad today, having to put with with gloating headlines from the Metro, Hootsman and assorted Murdoch rags. Still, must be nice for them to have a chance to suck up to Labour again. The phrase 'You can't polish a turd' comes to mind.

Glad to see the evening editions have gone back to reporting the UK's economic meltdown.
150

T-bone,

07/11/2008 18:22:44
#169 Ah yes, another Tartan-Tory posing as a Nat! - like most of you numpty Nats in this blog! Go on, insult & slander the Glenrothes electorate (...tethered goat jibe..)and then tell us you're a true democrat?? No, I've seen plently of you guys in my time and you all stick out like a sore thumb...self-seeking and with no regard for the real interests of the Scottish people. There is only one party in this country, by which I mean Scotland, that has ever done anything for the people and that is the party OF THE PEOPLE - Labour!

The people of Glenrothes know this and didn't allow Nat/ScotsTory arrogance to cloud their better and correct judgement!

So you #7/26 and the rest can GIRUY!!!
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brusque,

07/11/2008 18:23:13
Here are a few examples of of Labour's ineptitude [if not outright dishonesty and incompetence!]

Cancer drugs prescription charge move by Stalinst Brown is bizarre
Wed, Oct 1, 2008- Health economists and opposition politicians have expressed bemusement at Gordon Brown’s decision to exempt cancer sufferers from prescription charges when patients are having to pay thousands of pounds for cancer drugs that the NHS will not fund.

King's Fund- labour's NHS top up payments strategy is untenable
Thu, Sep 18, 2008- The King’s Fund believes the current policy and practice on top-ups, which prohibits people from privately purchasing drugs not available on the health service while continuing a course of NHS care, is untenable.

NHS surplus prompts health funding row
Mon, Sep 08, 2008- A political row broke out over health funding as the National Health Service forecast a £1.75bn surplus for the current financial year.

Labour targets created £90,000 NHS smoking fraud
Thu, Aug 28, 2008- A man defrauded nearly £90,000 from the NHS by working as a stop smoking adviser and signing up non smoking strangers to exaggerate his success rates and income.

Top up payments for drugs are fair says voters
Thu, Aug 21, 2008- Patients should be given the chance to pay extra for the best available drugs in addition to their NHS treatment, according to a Sunday Times poll.

NHS co-payment ban in disarray
Mon, Aug 11, 2008- Labour's ban on NHS patients paying for medicines the health service does not fund is in disarray. Figures obtained under freedom of information legislation show that NHS hospitals were allowing dozens of patients to top up with private drugs before the government warned them it was not allowed under NHS rules in July last year.

NHS spurns gift of free cancer drug
Mon, Aug 4, 2008- Bosses in the National Health Service have refused to administer a drug to a patient with advanced kidney cancer even though the medicine is being provided free.

Tension
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brusque,

07/11/2008 18:26:16
Tensions grow over cancer treatments as NICE blocks drugs
Fri, Jul 25, 2008- The new generation of cancer medicines raises delicate and potentially explosive issues for the labour government’s medicines advisory body National Institute for Curbing Expenditure (NICE).

Too high a price- Financial Times's review of labour's drug denials to cancer patients
Wed, Jul 16, 2008- Doctors' leaders became the latest group to demand change to labour government guidance that refuses National Health Service care to seriously ill patients who seek to prolong their lives by paying for drugs that the NHS will not provide for them. The policy is so clearly unjustifiable that legal or political pressure looks sure to force ministers to concede the point eventually. But any delay will be damaging.

Health Direct- top up health service care is fair
Fri, Jul 11, 2008- Health Direct points out that when some complication arises after private surgery, many patients land in the NHS and are treated, not sent away. Equally NHS dental services- when one can find them, require additional payments from patients.

NHS at 60- Labour no longer trusted on National Health Service
Mon, Jun 30, 2008- NHS at 60- On the eve of the NHS's sixtieth aniversary a new poll shows that Labour is no longer the party trusted to bring in the health reforms that are needed to safeguard the NHS for future generations.

NHS hospitals lose 32,000 beds in a decade
Thu, Jun 19, 2008- More than 30,000 hospital beds have been lost since Labour came to power, with record cuts in NHS wards last year- which Health Direct chronicled.

NHS constitution- another bad labour idea says FT Editorial
Fri, June 6, 2008- The key test of any health reform should be whether it will actually improve the quality of care that patients receive.

NHS 18 week waiting list promise likely to be broken
Mon, Jun 2, 2008- A milestone in the labour government’s drive to ensure that no one waits more than 18 weeks for hospital tr
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Media 1,

cape town 07/11/2008 18:28:43
Malteser

Perhaps you are correct, perhaps not!
But regardless of your thoughts, you must surely conclude that Salmond is a not a poltician at all, but a mere freedom fighter living in the past whilst the modern and affluent British Scotland continues to flourish in the modern era.
Cmon old chap, it is not to late to awaken the mature and sensible person within you - dont ever give up on Scotland by selling out to the SNP
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brusque,

07/11/2008 18:29:31
Gordon Brown is systematically destroying the UK, and the shame is that he will continue to sell Scotland down the river just to have a few more months in power.
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brusque,

07/11/2008 18:32:31

#186 Here are a few examples of SNP ineptitude Banks taken by the English right from under old fat bot Salmonds nose.

How is that SNP ineptitude?

Scotland didn't mismanage the Economy for 11 years.

The SNP didn't sell off our Gold Reserves for tuppence and a bag of beans!

The SNP didn't plunder our Pensions to fund it's Boom and Bust Economy.

Try informing yourself, then you won't look qite so stupid when you post on a Forum

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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 18:38:25
193 blimpy#

Probably still wandering about with a few Labour good service medals on an oversized jacket and asking when Dixon of Dock Green will be on the square box.
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The Strategist,

07/11/2008 18:41:06
I've just been reading a report on the availability of risk equity capital in Scotland and how much has been invested in start-up companies.

It's utterly frightening having collapsed from an albeit already low level of £10m in 2005 and 2006 to £2m in 2007. That's about 30p per head.

How on earth Scotland can grow it's economy with such appallingly low support like this defeats me.
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brusque,

07/11/2008 18:41:14
""NHS hospitals lose 32,000 beds in a decade
Thu, Jun 19, 2008- More than 30,000 hospital beds have been lost since Labour came to power, with record cuts in NHS wards last year- which Health Direct chronicled.""

That's one of my favourites.

And these are only examples from the current year!! ALL on Gordon Brown's watch

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Hamish Scott,

07/11/2008 18:49:53
#181

Yes, I have visited England frequently over the years and what struck me reading the London 'broadsheets' and watching the network tv news was how impossible it is to be informed about Scotland if youonly rely on the London based media. We, on the other hand, are kept well-informed of what is going on in England. It is these sort of disparities that undermine the Union and may well contribute to its demise.
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brusque,

07/11/2008 18:52:18
#200

"Maltese Falcon,Malta 07/11/2008 18:44:24
If anyone is in doubt about me, then please read some of my regretible terrible comments from last year, thankfully i have had a brain transplant and now know what common sense is."


Have you ever expressed the opinion that Gordon Brown is the new Messiah?

Do you think Lyndsey Roy is a real person? [or, as I do, a cardboard cutout]

If you can answer No to the above, you will make a full recovery.





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Hamish Scott,

07/11/2008 18:53:21
#185
"There is only one party in this country, by which I mean Scotland, that has ever done anything for the people and that is the party OF THE PEOPLE - Labour!"

You appear to be lost,try:

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/features/-Joke-of-the-Day.4671806.jp

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Mercian,

UK 07/11/2008 18:55:20
# 173 Nevsky

Well, I don't know many English people you meet in Moscow, but as one myself, I can say in my experience English people do care about Scotland (e.g. I read this website). I view Scottish people as my own countrymen (even the nationalists), while respecting and enjoying the the distinct nature of Scottish culture as a country in it's own right. British patriots are generally flexible and inclusive types.
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Hamish Scott,

07/11/2008 18:55:54
#189
"the modern and affluent British Scotland continues to flourish in the modern era."

You are off-message! The current mantra is Scotland is an economic basket-case. Do keep up.
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brusque,

07/11/2008 19:03:28
#189 "living in the past whilst the modern and affluent British Scotland continues to flourish in the modern era."

Have you been in a coma?

British Scotland, Mr Brown prefers to refer to it as North Britain?.

Like a cosy wee corner of England, that he sends a few scraps to in Red Cross parcels..........when he remembers.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 19:04:58
207 Mercian#

I meet plenty of English people in Moscow and they couldn't care less about Scotland which is fair enough as i couldn't give a rat's t*t what happens in Birmingham.

English unionists at most display the 'i hope the Scots don't leave the union' sentiment or the 'fu*k the jocks' attitude which puts me neither up nor down.

Scottish unionists on the other hand sit in Edinburgh and think anyone gives a sh*t in London, they don't generally, if they did then Glenrothes would be front page news wouldn't it?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 07/11/2008 19:08:50
207 Mercian#

Also having lived in Warwichshire for 2 years i never met anyone who had strong views on the union, certainly not like the unionists on these boards who sneer and foam at the mouth when Scottish independence is mentioned.

The English are much more sanguine about the whole affair and i respect them for that, unionists in Scotland are verging on painting union jacks on the side of houses with their sheer hatred of even the concept of Scottish independence!

Only in Scotland i am afraid do we have such people!
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Andra, Dundee,

07/11/2008 19:09:51
Time to resign??
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brusque,

07/11/2008 19:13:37
Andra, Dundee,07/11/2008 19:09:51
Time to resign??

Gordon?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 19:18:08
Touché on the by-election bloody noses.

Good news that Salmond has the testes to accept the blame and the humility that goes with it. Makes a man all the better for it.

As much as I think Salmond was needing to add that string of experience to his bow, I also think that Broon's inability to do the same thing will eventually lead to his political demise.
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brusque,

07/11/2008 19:22:16
Gordon "I've spent all tax payers money supporting my wealthy friends in the Banking Sector, and when the s... hits the fan don't come looking to me for a handout" Brown.

Where will he be when the populace of Glenrothes, and the rest of the UK, expect him to bail out the homeless, jobless and those without hope?



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Mercian,

UK 07/11/2008 19:22:50
# 212 Nevsky

"Also having lived in Warwichshire for 2 years i never met anyone who had strong views on the union, certainly not like the unionists on these boards who sneer and foam at the mouth when Scottish independence is mentioned."

This is hardly surprising considering the independence movement is strongest in Scotland. Most English people accept the Scottish independence issue is a matter for Scots to decide, so like you say they
lament about it.Others might give a more hostile response if they think they're being rejected by Scots. There is not many true English nationalists in my experience.
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TheScotsman,

Scottish Borders 07/11/2008 19:26:42
I don't think I am alone in thinking the following....

The SNP should head the Scottish parliament.

Scotland should not be independent.

Labour should not have any power in Scotland because of the ingrained culture of cronyism and ineptitude. This situation has been brought about by a complete lack of opposition to Labour in Scotland for too long.

The tories (under Cameron and Osbourn) are incapable of anything other than opposition.

Gordon Brown is the UK's only option for PM right now, )if you disagree with this please state who is!!)

All of the above means that the current political landscape is about right. The only problem is that the SNP are commited to a suicidal vote for independence in 2010.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 19:28:10
#216 Jock Tamson,

Jock it is axiomatic that all political careers end in failure as Alex is now learning. Although to take all the blame is only showing he Alex believes? without him the snp can only fail.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 19:36:13
220, Pleistoanax. Eh?

(short for excuse me, could you explain "Although to take all the blame is only showing he Alex believes? without him the snp can only fail."
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Niall,

Fraserburgh 07/11/2008 19:45:03
An Open letter to Lindsay Roy.

I spent quite some time reading through your website at times with considerable mirth. The most highly amusing item was your action plan for Fife. Did Peter Mandelson have anything to do with this? Because whoever wrote it was either ignorant of the powers of The Scottish Parliament or was reling on the average Labour voter not knowing the difference.

A summary of Lindsay Roy’s Action Plan (Prospectus) for Fife

1. Crack down on anti-social behaviour
Visible policing, zero tolerance to drugs, action on underage drinking.

2. A citizens’ panel to decide where new CCTV should go.

3. Fight for more opportunities for young people More sports and recreation facilities for Fife , including public consultation with young people to decide where new pitches should go.

4. Campaign against Fife Council privatising golf courses and convene an urgent meeting with top cinema chiefs to start bringing a new cinema to central Fife.

5. Sort out the roads and buses Support dualling and upgrading the A92.

6. Demand a clear timetable and funding plan for the Forth Road Bridge that the SNP have delayed.

7. Give powers back to Fifers so local people can make decisions about their buses.

8. Help Fife families through tough times Benefit “check-ups” to ensure pensioners get the benefits they deserve – including the new, free insulation.

9 . Outlaw overcharging people on pre-pay meters and fight the SNP local income tax.

All very laudable Mr Roy, objectives that everyone would support in Scotland! However there is one teeny weeny flaw in all this, These are all devolved powers and there is nothing you can do to change any of these nine objectives in Scotland as a Westminster MP. Of course you can vote in Westminster but that will only be for ENGLISH people.

I do not expect the English to be very much interested in Fife Golf courses and
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Jaimeson,

Scotland 07/11/2008 19:51:21
I don't know why Alex S is taking ANY blame? For chrissakes there was swing to the SNP of 30%! Even after a 1.5% bribe from the B of E.
Funny. I've looked everywhere. Scottish, English newsapapers, TV wherever. But no comment from the Tories about the disastrous swing from Labour to the SNP.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 19:51:35
#221 Jock


Pssst it's 'In the Bag' ha ha ha ha
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Boab,

Glasgow 07/11/2008 19:52:31
#192 Maltese: You seemed to have done OK out of leaving blighty, and being married to an immigrant, I'm not that fussed about the foreign nationals either.

Scotland's economy would do better if people could make a living without either working for the government or investing in property in the hope house prices will go on rising forever. There's Gordonomics for you.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 19:54:09
222, Niall. The deed is done. This will be forgotten as fast as Glasgow East.

The mid market price pits the £ at 1.23 to the €.

Another day, another dollar (£1.57 at the moment). The world moves on.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 19:55:55
#223 Jaimeson

Keep up the good work Jaimeson I like your thinking losing is winning. Won't be long before the snp and Alex Salmond is a footnote in the Dustbin of history.


Gordon 1 Alex nil

Game on
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 19:57:12
224, Pleistoanax. Are you trying to make yourself more clear by being less clear?

At the moment you are getting the benefit of the doubt.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 20:04:05
#228 Jock

I am Drunk on the feeling of Victory over the forces of Darkness the snp represent by the supporters of the 'Union'
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 20:08:50
229, Pleistoanax. The relief of the unionists on here, all day, has surpassed the borders of hysteria.

Unbelievable that a by-election hold with a reduced majority can lead to so many wet pants.
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Hamish Scott,

07/11/2008 20:13:05
The timing of the Glenrothes by-election certainly proved fortuitous, after the HBOS and RBS 'crisis' but before the recession hits home. Brown will hold the General Election for Westminster in May 2010 when the recession has indeed hit home and no amount of flannel by Labour and their media support will be able to obscure the reality. The Arc of Prosperity will be in recovery, the UK will be in the doo-doo. Bring it on.
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland 07/11/2008 20:17:31
I wonder which SNP 'spinner' decided to reveal the decision to allow Trump's housing scheme on the eve of the US election? Did they really think it would be a good day to bury bad news? The SNP is in great danger of becoming the countryside assassination party. Stop sucking up to expat golfing film stars, wealthy egoists and puff-power speculators, if you wish to preserve the dignity of this Nation! You are right Alex, it is your fault the party lost the by-election!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 20:20:08
229, Pleistonax.

Shall we analyse the forces of darkness?

The earth orbits the sun. In the northern hemisphere, the sun appears to be shining on us most of the day in our summer.

In the winter, when the sun is in the southern hemisphere, there is more darkness.

If you have a dread of darkness then I suggest you grow up before Christmas and the shortest day.

And beware of Perihelion just after that.

The powers of darkness are natural.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 20:22:54
232, dido-bendigo. I wonder what prompted you to make that post now?
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weh,

07/11/2008 20:23:06
Well done the SNP!

Although you did not achieve outright victory, as in Glasgow east, you continued on your upward course of increasing your vote and decreasing labours vote.

You did SOOO well in Glasgow that everyone and his dog expected miracles to continue-and when this doesnt happen, it is translated by the unionists as a victory for them and a defeat by the SNP!

Did you ever hear such garbage in your life??

It is a sure sign that labour will clutch at ANY straw!

Rest assured, my fellow prisoners of this despicable and treacherous labour regime noth and south of the border-we are STILL on course for total victory at the next GE!

Long live freedom!
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 20:27:55
#230 Jock

This was a by election which was supposed to cement the snp Hegemony on Scottish Politics it didn't. Surely you listened to Nicola Sturgeon on the By election not very convincing at all.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 20:32:02
#223 Jock

The snp and their supporters have a Darkness in their very soul's.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 20:43:24
237, Pleistoanax.


"#223 Jock

The snp and their supporters have a Darkness in their very soul's"

233 actually. Very profound statement from you. I would assert that the darkness SNP supporters are exorcising from their souls is the same darkness you seem to encompass and try to inject into others.

Darkness is natural and is brought about by the natural phenomenon of the earth's revolving on its own axis and its orbit around the sun.

You appear to be talking about political negativity.

Btw, I'm dragging you down into it - didn't you notice?

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 20:50:12
238, ColB. Thank you for the info.


BCE says it all.
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eamon,

not glenrothes 07/11/2008 20:54:28
So we didnt win glenrothes (not worthy of a capital letter). Not surprising really as most of these council estate neds cannot even spell SNP, surprised they can even spell the X on the ballot paper.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/11/2008 21:00:14
Well, ColB, looks like Pleistoanax's mum has sent him to bed.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 21:09:59
#238 Col


O ksein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti teide
keimetha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi.
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vimto,

07/11/2008 21:22:38
Wave bye-bye to independence! it was on life support before Glenrothes,now it's dead and buried!
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 07/11/2008 21:23:28
It's refreshing that Salmond took the blame. Can you imagine Brown taking the blame if Labour lost? It's men versus boys..

All that said, the SNP needs to campaign more. They also need to revolutionise how they communicate to punters. The internet should be exloited to the full. The broadcast media is shamefully biased but a way round it has to be found!
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john z,

edinburgh 07/11/2008 21:25:29
To my knowledge, I have never witnesed any other political leader in the UK accept responsibility for a mistake.

It truly is a measure of the man, Alex Salmond, that he is big enough to publicly accept responsibility, and learn from any failures.

Everybody makes mistakes, but what makes a person better is the ability of the person to accept and acknowledge those mistakes.

As I say, I can't recall any other political leader acknowledge their own mistakes. Bendy Wendy still thinks she 'did nothing wrong', and that everyone is just out to get her.

As for the mess Brown has made of the economy....where do I begin? And yet he really still believes it was nothing to do with him..I mean he was only Chancellor for ten years, and then prime minister. Of course it's not his fault. (yeah right)

I just wish Gordon Brown were as much of a man as Alex Salmond is, and admit and accept his mistakes, because let's face it, Brown has really right royally f*****d the economy and Scotland.
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vimto,

07/11/2008 21:26:17
251. A Laird in Madrid,how quaint.
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vimto,

07/11/2008 21:28:41
254. In case you had not noticed all the world economies are f===ed,it's called a world recession.
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john z,

edinburgh 07/11/2008 21:33:48
I still can't see any benefits to Scotland of the union. In the Union, Scotland loses its right to control its own affairs, to fully control its own taxation, to fully represent itself in the international arena. In addition, by staying in the union ,Scotland loses ALL its natural resources like Oil and Gas (what other country would do such a thing??).

But above all else Scotland and its people lose their dignity and culture.



Scotland loses so much whilst in the union. By staying in the union, being run by the English Government, Scotland loses. Period.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 21:34:00
never mind snp boys this will cheer you up

The sun on the meadow is summery warm
The stag in the forest runs free
But gathered together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me

The branch on the linden is leafy and green
The Rhine gives its gold
to the sea (Gold to the sea)
But somewhere a glory awaits unseen
Tomorrow belongs to me

Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
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john z,

edinburgh 07/11/2008 21:37:21
Forget the arc of insolvency. In Glenrothes, Labour have quite clearly shown they are indeed the 'arc of insincerity'.
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Pleistoanax ,

07/11/2008 21:40:27
SO IF ALEX WAS WRONG ABOUT THIS BY ELECTION WHAT ELSE HAS HE GOT WRONG EH?
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 07/11/2008 21:44:17
The economy is all about what shape Britain is in to survive the recession. Under Brown Britain has more household debt than the rest of the EU combined. He has changed the fiscal rules to allow the rich to become super-rich. Under Brown the economy has developed an over-reliance on financial services (which is the sector now going into meltdown). In the next two years there will be another half million unemployed not because of the 'global recession' but because Brown failed during the good years. So says the OECD and the IMF among others..
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 07/11/2008 21:47:38
Falkirk folk have always had a bit of rivalry with the Fifers and think their thicko muppets. After this result just proves our point. Gordon Brown being a Fifer knows he can rely on you to just bend over and take it
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 07/11/2008 22:17:56
what i cant fathom is that the labour party do nothing for scotland yet the scots are so stupid that they keep voting for them, it just makes no sense. westminster dont even like north britain.
if the people of scotland do not want independence then its sporting organisations should be amalgamated with englands and no scottish team shouls be able to enter any world championship,including football, rugby or cricket, scots should not be allowed to have it both ways, independant when wanted but mother england to change its nappies because scots are to scared, or stupid or lazy to be able to
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 07/11/2008 22:23:27
Congratulations to Mr Roy my old Modern studies teacher at Queen Anne .

You were not very articulate then and I see nothing has changed .

I am still gutted that we lost this I have no idea why we were running neck and neck with Labour it was going to be close either way so for them to romp home with a 6000 plus majority is a stunning result .

Our campaign never changed from begining to end we were ahead and even Brown being hailed as the psuedo saviour of the banking system maybe brought a few Labour voters back into the fold but not that many .

It may have been the interest rate cut that swung things back in favour of Labour in the last few hours we will have to scrutinise this but whatever it was something created a massive last minute swing to Labour .

Anyway congratulations to Labour for retaining the seat but as a footnote the fact I felt sick and gutted about our defeat last night as I fully expected us to win shows how far the SNP has come in a very short time .Report Unsuitable
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IainGlasgow,

07/11/2008 22:39:38
7,000 postal ballots in one constituency must be an all time record for any election, let alone a by election.

Nevertheless the Labour Party is a paradigm of honesty and integrity. They would never dream of rigging an election through postal ballot fraud. They only ever accept legitimate donations and no Labour benefactor has ever been nominated for a peerage.
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P Rayner.,

Latin America. 07/11/2008 22:40:52
With flowing arrogance Salmond blames himself for the crushing defeat. He exagerates his own importance somewhat.The last few weeks of global difficulties has truly exposed him and his ilk as Emperors without clothes. Failing to defeat a declining Labour party means the SNP has little chance of ever replacing Labour in Scotland. Its likely to be all down hill for the SNP unless it forgoes its futile, stupid, dreams of Scottish independence.
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Yok Finney,

Scotia Baltica 07/11/2008 22:43:55
In the North East we like Alex because he's a successful skipper who can take a calculated risk; since he's carefully calculated the odds beforehand! The play-school of Kenneth Roy, does it teach the lesson of David Smith? Not John Smith or even Adam Smith. The Argonaut IV which had to be sold is fishing quite successfully in IRELAND.

Mr Roy jumped his Kirkcaldy ship where he had a good reputation to be a totally pointless and vacuous waste of space in Westminster. Cause Brown tellt him. New Labour is on the rocks and irretrievable.
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 07/11/2008 22:48:52

267 Iain

Lets draw a line under this we lost but we are not going to go away we should be gracefull in defeat and magnanimous in victory but in future elections we have to fight as dirty as them

Dont Tread On Me
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arc of insolvency,

07/11/2008 22:50:56
Hope the good folk of Scotland see what some SNP supporter here treat people who dare not vote for their Furher. Pretty scarey the fanaticalism of some them and the fantasism!

VOTE FOR SCOTLAND, DON'T VOTE SNP
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/11/2008 23:16:06
264
Good evening Col.

Did the real you leave a message?

Perhaps 257 shows his love of young boys in uniform, true to his Spartan namesake.
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/11/2008 23:26:17
273
Haven't:-)

Is it the same wee (_!_)?
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/11/2008 23:35:53
274
It would be interesting to find out just how many postal votes were cast...
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Tris,

07/11/2008 23:42:08
Well done though Glenrothes. You voted for wars, tax increases, snoopers listening to your telephone calls and reading your emails. You voted for identity cards. You voted for English banks taking over Scottish ones and the weakening of Edinburgh as a finacial centre, for Harry Harman and Jackie Smith, and you voted for Peter Mandleson, his nobleness.

All of this, is of course, your democratic right.

May you live to enjoy (or suffer) the fruits of these rights.
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Shamus,

07/11/2008 23:45:36
278# I would reckon that 7000 postal votes were cast and diverted via the Labour Party HQ. It was a sophisticated secret move carried out by the British MI6 and a half. Its amazing what the British can do. They can even arrange for Salmond to be elected.
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Tris,

07/11/2008 23:48:27
#266 "It may have been the interest rate cut that swung things back in favour of Labour in the last few hours we will have to scrutinise this but whatever it was something created a massive last minute swing to Labour."


Yeah Marky Bhoy, it could have been that, or..... it could have been a miscount of the postal votes, like the one in Birmingham a few years ago. Wink, wink, nod, nod.


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Conan the Librarian™,

07/11/2008 23:55:22
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Piso off.
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BIG EYE,

PaISLEY 07/11/2008 23:58:56
iF IT IS TRUE THERE WERE 7000 POSTAL BALLOTS THEN THIS SURELY DESERVES A PROPER ENQUIRY INTO THIS.

A normal constituency, even in a by election could expect around 2-3 thousand postal ballots this would be massive if it was 7000.

Given Labour previous form in Birmingham this merits an enquiry.

Anyway the proper response for nationalists to this result is to send some money, redouble our efforts, and make sure that next time the Labour party lie through their teeth we are ready and able to reveal the truth in an effective and overpowering way.

Enjoy today Unionists, it will be your last!
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2008 00:04:30
Perhaps there should be an enquiry.

Douglas Alexander is the ideal person to head it.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 08/11/2008 00:08:01
Now we know why the powers to control elections is a "reserved power" at Westminster.

Unbelievable that there was 7000 postal votes.

Lets have an enquiry into every single one of them!
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:10:38
#286 BIG EYE,PaISLEY

The nationalists reveal their hideous inner selves once more.

Threatening us with nocturnal deaths quads.

Bring them on - we will never surrender.
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:16:11
286 BIG EYE,PaISLEY

Was it your deliberate intention to make your location appear like one of those Serial Killer, newspaper cut 'n' paste Notes?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2008 00:16:37
289
Is this the one you mean?

http://tinyurl.com/5m6fg3
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:35
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:35
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:36
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:36
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:36
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:37
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:37
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:38
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:38
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:38
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:39
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:39
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:39
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:39
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:40
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:40
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:41
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:41
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:41
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:41
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:42
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:42
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:42
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:43
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:43
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:43
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:44
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:44
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:45
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:45
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:45
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:46
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:46
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:46
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:47
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:47
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:47
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:48
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:48
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:48
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:49
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:49
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:49
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:50
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:50
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:50
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:51
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:51
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:52
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:52
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:52
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:52
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:53
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:53
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:54
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:54
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:54
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:55
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:55
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:55
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:56
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:56
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:56
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:57
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:57
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:57
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:58
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:58
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:58
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:59
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:59
Woo scary Natzi - run for the hills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:17:59
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:18:00
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Ugly George,

08/11/2008 00:18:00
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Shamus,

Glasgow 08/11/2008 00:22:25
289# You cannot surrender to the dead. It a physical impossibilty. Although the NATS will find a reason to argue about it. You have to indulge them. Keeps them occupied for a while. Poor wee souls.
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08/11/2008 00:25:53
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2008 00:25:59
An Iron Maiden fan UG?

"Unchain the colours before my eyes,
Yesterday's sorrows, tomorrow's white lies.
Scan the horizon, the clouds take me higher,
I shall return from out of fire."
307

Shamus,

08/11/2008 00:39:45
370# Oh having a name is now being scrutinised by the NATS. This is geting scary. Maybe a patch sown on the shoulder Col. Would that suit you.
308

Churchill W.,

08/11/2008 00:42:30
After all the SNP bluster the news is still: Salmond defeated.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2008 00:53:46
372
Labour vote down; postal vote suspicious.

SNP still in government; Salmond still First Minister.
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subrosa,

08/11/2008 01:01:08
Isn't Gordon just wonderful? He struts about telling the world how they should manage the meltdown of their financial institutions. I can't understand when this is his record:
Dec 2003 IMF gives Brown borrowing warning ??
2) Sep 2005 IMF report warning over £1 trillion mountain of debt
??3) Sep 2005 Brown besieged over growth and borrowing plans ??4) Dec 2005 IMF fires new warning over Britain's finances
??5) Sep 2006 IMF warns over possible UK property crash ??6) Oct 2007 IMF report UK house market is 'heading for crash' ??
7) Apr 2008 IMF: UK vulnerable to US-style housing slump ??

This October, the IMF said that the UK was worst placed of all the major economies to weather the coming recession. ??Thanks Gordon. ??It needs to be repeated every time a Labour Minister gets on the TV and says it couldn't be foreseen ........... YES IT COULD. YES IT WAS. GORDON IGNORED THE WARNINGS.

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Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2008 01:03:54
375
Rufus shoots his wad quite a lot on these forums, Col.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 08/11/2008 01:35:33
374# Compelled are you. What is the obvious. What nationalists are you referring to.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2008 01:51:53
378
Compelled are you?

Hiya Yoda.
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bumpkin,

08/11/2008 23:10:40
it wasd only the fifers looking after their own.
but the snp need to take note, drop the daft ideas on 18yr olds buying lager, drop care charges, etc.
Then they need to do something for the scots, like;
outlaw the short assured tenancy, give the tenant farmers the right to assign the tenancy to anybody with money. extend crofters rights to whole of scotland. bring in a progressive land tax to break up the big estates.

 

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