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Glasgow East disaster persuades Kerr to run for Labour leadership



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Published Date: 28 July 2008
ANDY Kerr, many people's favourite to become the next Scottish Labour leader, has said his party's Glasgow East by-election disaster convinced him to stand for the job.
The East Kilbride MSP, who had been uncertain about running for the leadership after Wendy Alexander quit, said he wanted to do what he could to help Labour rebuild.

He is entering what many now expect to be a three-horse race, along with Iain Gra
y, the finance spokesman, and Cathy Jamieson, the deputy leader. Ken McIntosh, Labour's education spokesman, is also said to be thinking of standing.

As they lick their wounds from the Glasgow East defeat, Labour MSPs say they see the leadership election as an ideal opportunity to rebuild bridges with traditional supporters.

"It gives us a chance to start again – rethink and reconnect," one said.

The by-election loss looks almost certain to have ended any support Labour may have had for an independence referendum, with the three main leadership rivals making it clear the policy championed by Ms Alexander to "shoot the Nationalist fox" ended when she stepped down as leader.

Only the Glasgow Cathcart MSP Charlie Gordon, who is unlikely to get enough MSPs to nominate him as a leadership challenger, would reportedly continue to back the referendum proposal.

With the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives also opposed, that would make it impossible for the Nationalists to push through their proposals at Holyrood.

Privately, many Labour figures also feel that, with the current dominance of the SNP, it would be suicidal to fight a referendum and it would lead to the break-up of the UK.

All three leadership front-runners insisted that the party now had to concentrate on the "priorities of ordinary Scots".

Mr Kerr, who will formally launch his campaign at the end of this week, said he was coming round to standing after much thought, but Glasgow East had hardened his resolve.

"I thought to myself, if you don't stand up to the plate now, when are you going to do it?" Mr Kerr said. "I know I can win this contest and I know I can do a good job for the party, and I don't want to look back and think I did not try."

Meanwhile, Mr Gray's supporters say they are delighted he is the first target of SNP briefings, with the Nationalist spin team saying they want the "grey" Mr Gray as leader. Lord George Foulkes, who will sign his nomination papers, said: "That shows the Nationalists are already worried about Iain."

Ms Jamieson, who will launch her campaign today, wants to take Scottish Labour back to its "traditional roots". Her supporters feel the need for this approach was underlined by the Glasgow East result, which showed Labour had become disconnected from its traditional supporters.

Ms Jamieson also made it clear she would not be shy of forging policies different to those of Gordon Brown and Westminster Labour.

"The important thing is that we all come from the same Labour tradition and our policies will reflect that," she said. "But what is right south of the Border may not be right for Scotland, and sometimes we will need different policies."

The decision by the three leadership contenders to abandon support for a referendum was met with SNP scorn.

Angus Robertson, the MP for Moray, said Labour would pay a heavy price if it stood in the way of a referendum. "Even before the leadership campaign officially begins, it is being dominated by the question of a referendum" he said. "With three of the candidates coming out against, they have shown just how out of touch they are."





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1

FrancesP,

28/07/2008 00:06:27
What on earth is George Foulkes doing signing Iain Gray's nomination papers? Surely he's not too modest to realise that what the SNP really fear is a George Foulkes/Cathie Craigie dream ticket?
2

Traquir , Alba,

28/07/2008 00:08:54
According to The Herald's Dougie Fraser
theres is another interesting
turn of events.
"Curran ‘considering bid for deputy leadership’ after election defeat"

see - tinyurl.com/6m9npl

Andy & Maggie - Strange bedfellows indeed,
but with Labour no
cunning ploy would be a surprising at this point.

see - tinyurl.com/6ycxk3
3

Stefan Mack,

Elgin 28/07/2008 00:09:12
you know what's going to be funny to watch?

when the tories finally get into power in london in a few years time, just watch the dramatic switch as all the brainless labour unionists suddenly become sympathetic to scottish independence.

most of the labour rabble are only so staunchly pro union because their cronies holds the levers of power in london. once the tories get in it'll be a different story. i predict at least a dozen jumping over to the nationalists as the reality of a tory goverment sinks in.

if they had any brains they'd realise this, support the referendum and fight for freedom and equality for their own country of scotland.
4

karinxxx,

28/07/2008 00:09:21
Even before the leadership campaign officially begins, it is being dominated by the question of a referendum" he said. "With three of the candidates coming out against, they have shown just how out of touch they are."

OUT OF TOUCH. your too generous mate.

how out of touch they are is the equivelent of them living in an internet cafe and they are sitting their with a zx spectrum.
5

Traquir , Alba,

28/07/2008 00:11:48
Iain Macwhirter just posted a great article on
the leadership contest.

"Labour in Scotland is a body without a head"

"That this is a race of also-rans is only stating the obvious. Jack McConnell, who resigned after the Holyrood election defeat last year, looks like a towering figure by comparison."

"The new Scottish leader needs to make a decisive break with Westminster and lead an autonomous party, with its own constitution and policies. But what the candidates are offering is the same old, same old: education and skills, cracking down on crime, Salmond's "broken promises"."

"Their one contribution to the constitutional debate so far has been to dump Wendy's call for an independence referendum, and to promise that there will be no more flirtations with nationalism.
flirting with nationalism is precisely what Labour should be doing in Scotland. Indeed, it needs to have a full-on illicit affair with nationalism."

see - tinyurl.com/6kqego
6

Rufus T. Firefly,

28/07/2008 00:19:39
Iain Macwhirter just posted a BORING article on
the leadership contest.

"Labour in Scotland is a body without a head"

YAWN

The man is an idiotic rabid nationalist.
7

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28/07/2008 00:21:58
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Richardinho,

28/07/2008 00:25:24
So it IS Labour who are running scared of a referendum!
9

Mogwai Fear Santa,

28/07/2008 00:25:57
FOULKES can save the Labour party.

FOULKES will drive Labour onto greatness.

FOULKES can deliver election victory.

FOULKES will show great leadership skills.

FOULKES must answer the call.

DRAFT FOULKES... you know it makes sense.
10

Traquir , Alba,

28/07/2008 00:30:13
"The by-election loss looks almost certain to have ended any support Labour may have had for an independence referendum, with the three main leadership rivals making it clear the policy championed by Ms Alexander to "shoot the Nationalist fox" ended when she stepped down as leader."

Yep - that's right they should all stand up
to Westminster and make up their own minds.
Oops was n't this Westminster/Browns position to
not have an independence referendum ?
Not an auspicious start to them standing
up to show that Labour in Scotland is it's
own man - instead they all seem to have the
same old Labour sheep herding affliction to
all baa to the same tune and of course
that being a Westminster tune.
Lambs to the slaughter
indeed I feel a replay of silence of the
lambs coming on - all very ominous.
The only question is whose liver Alex
will be having this time with fava beans
and nice chianti :)

Will be a very
interesting open debate where they can
all violently agree and make it look like
a real election of ideas. Or then again
perhaps their previous dear leader Wendy
was right when she said :

"perhaps the last time the Labour movement in Scotland had made "a real intellectual contribution" to the party nationally was in 1906."

see - tinyurl.com/6mboay



11

Freeman Stand,

28/07/2008 00:32:25
#6 Rufus T - where have you been? What happened to your predicted slaughter of the SNP in Glasgow East? Hope you've not been too ill.
12

Traquir , Alba,

28/07/2008 00:34:45
"Meanwhile, Mr Gray's supporters say they are delighted he is the first target of SNP briefings, with the Nationalist spin team saying they want the "grey" Mr Gray as leader. Lord George Foulkes, who will sign his nomination papers, said: "That shows the Nationalists are already worried about Iain."

LOL - yep that would be Lord Foulkes
who yesterday stated he would
"go in, all guns firing". Yep we nationalists
are really worried - perhaps Labour's latest
cunning ploy is to have us die laughing.

see - tinyurl.com/5ze62t
13

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 28/07/2008 00:41:14
"The by-election loss looks almost certain to have ended any support Labour may have had for an independence referendum, with the three main leadership rivals making it clear the policy championed by Ms Alexander to "shoot the Nationalist fox" ended when she stepped down as leader."

So why did they say they supported the policy in the first place?? So when one of these damaged MSPs becomes leader and champions a new policy, they won't really know if their MSPs support it or not. Flip Flop.

They are convictionless nobodies on a daily PR mission. Only trouble is, the majority of the public can now see through their spin.

14

Freeman Stand,

28/07/2008 00:52:17
Kerr, Jamieson, and Gray were not considered good enough for leadership a few months ago by the Labour Party. What has changed? They are still a bunch of incompetent second raters.
15

indune1,

Canada 28/07/2008 01:15:58

Karin - you never responded to my post last night.

Perhaps you were too pished. Hope yer heid is fine by noo.
16

JohnBowes,

28/07/2008 02:04:03
Honestly, this is getting more embarrassing by the day. So, Curran, after getting the Party skelped on Thursday now wants to be deputy leader? Eh? How low can this party stoop?

Note she was FIFTH choice for that election. She is embarrassing to listen to. WHAT the donald duck are they doing?

Even Jack the Lad looked a better MSP than Curran - and, boy, is that saying something. She even brought an SNP actor to "support" her at the election. Sad stuff.

She even supports spitting on disabled concerning changes to Incapacity Benefit. The disabled will be hounded and will lose money. And that includes people dying of cancer.

What has she to say about the John Lewis list?



17

mac1888,

28/07/2008 02:38:49
aye andy herse chin kerr will solve everything? guys a numpty!!
18

mac1888,

Bute 28/07/2008 02:45:09
"That shows the Nationalists are already worried about Iain." LMAO!!
19

Maisie from Morningside,

28/07/2008 02:48:23
Was that a three horse race or a three legged horse race?
Either way Labour will be in the doldrums until it drops it's Thatcherite policies.
20

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/07/2008 02:50:11
#16,

Strange that they plan to hound the disabled since the issue was incapacity, not disability, benefit.

And I must have missed that one about them planning to take benefits away from people dying of cancer. Who exactly said that?
21

Guga II,

Rockall 28/07/2008 02:55:51
Forfoulkesake Lard George, the nationalists are hardly worried about Iain Gray. He is the preferred candidate of your boss in London, Maggie Broon, so he has already been given the kiss of death.

As for the rest of the Labour West Coast Mafia and their sticking to the same old policies, and never listening to the people, they are all going down the tubes.
22

FrancesP,

28/07/2008 03:01:01
#20. That's a weak riposte by any standards - virtually every disabled person who is unable to work is on incapacity benefit, and will therefore be affected by the harsher regime. And even as things stand, cancer sufferers are badgered into returning to work when they may not feel ready. I hardly think they are going to be subjected to LESS pressure as a result of these 'reforms'.
23

S'me,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 04:46:32
The nationalists will only be happy after they have helped the tories gain control of the UK... always happy bedfellows.
24

FrancesP,

28/07/2008 04:56:05
#24. The Tories already have 'gained control of the UK' - they publish their proposals for wrecking the welfare state, and within months Labour's Purnell has copied it lock, stock and barrel. The SNP are the only party putting up any resistance to this Tory agenda.
25

donald,

glasgow 28/07/2008 05:19:51
This going to entertaining: to watch the Labour numpties make funny faces in turn, through a hole in the wall, to see who is to become the leader of the fools. Where is Quasimodo when you need him?

Glasgow East? A Labour Party without an Esmarelda.
26

Bryce Curdy,

Lanarkshire 28/07/2008 05:35:14
Don't know very much about Gray and Jamieson, but Andy Kerr is utterly hopeless and as leader would make McConnell and Alexander look competent. Salmond would run rings round him.
27

An Beal Bacht,

28/07/2008 05:56:39
"ANDY Kerr, many people's favourite to become the next Scottish Labour leader, has said his party's Glasgow East by-election disaster convinced him to stand for the job."

Scottish Labour Leader??? There's no such thing. Don't you mean the "Leader of the Labour Group in the Scottish Parliament"? I believe that's how they are currently styling themselves. Anybody???
28

An Beal Bacht,

28/07/2008 05:58:23
Labour considers 'suicide' election
Published Date: 27 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Political Editor

"One minister said: "The worst case scenario for the Labour Party is that we carry on with Gordon as leader and then have an election at the time of his choosing.

"If we got rid of him and went for an immediate option, that would still be a better result for us than waiting for him. There is no one in the Labour Party who is capable of running the party worse than him."

"This isn't about Gordon any more," said another senior party figure. "This is about the Labour Party and the number of people who are looking at their jobs."

Other reports suggested one contender for the job, James Purnell, had formed a pact with Foreign Secretary David Miliband, promising not to stand in his way if Miliband stood following a Brown resignation.

One senior Scottish party figure said of the 'suicide' option: "We get it over now and we don't allow the Tories to build a swing like the one we had in 1997. The way things are going, we are heading for a Tory Party victory on the scale of 1997."

Last night, one Government source opposed to Brown said: "The Cabinet now has to do something. What is Alistair Darling going to do and what is Jack Straw going to do? We have to get rid of him. There is no support for him staying."

Those who back deposing Brown say that, even if they were to lose the snap election, it would be better than staying on in power. They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead.

The panic move has gained credence after Labour's stunning slide was confirmed when the party lost Glasgow East, its 25th safest seat in Britain, to the SNP by 365 votes."

Would a snap general election be in Scotland's interests? Are we ready? The strategy is outlined by an unnamed source:

"We get it over now and we don't allow the Tories to build a swing like the one we had in 1997."
29

An Beal Bacht,

28/07/2008 06:00:13
cont ...

He's obviously talking about England as a "Tory Slide" is unimaginable in Scotland. In Scotland the slide will be to the SNP. Has the momentum built up sufficiently for the SNP or is it too early?

Equally, the lab strategy is to intentionally gift power to the Tories as an economic poison pill.

They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead.

As Alex Salmond has pointed out, Scotland could benefit from this scenario, but only if the Tories don't gain a majority, and only if the SNP are returned in large numbers. Are we ready?
30

An Beal Bacht,

28/07/2008 06:02:00
Omitted quotation marks:

"They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead."


31

Linda,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 06:59:42
Mr Kerr in press articles yesterday was on about narrow nationalism and cutting ourselves of from the world.

He has lernt nothing about the failure of Labour's negative tactics as well as insulting the 140 other nations which are not ruled from London.
32

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 28/07/2008 07:11:27
#9 - I like it, I like it! But can Foulkes stay off the sauce long enough? ;-)
33

Jimmy Le Pie,

28/07/2008 07:20:02
The SNP must be trembling at the prospect of New Labour Sleaze having a relaunch!!

With Lard Foolkes at the helm it should be good entertainment.

They just don't get it, do they????????????
34

jacquesmac,

28/07/2008 07:21:29
It seems that a certain Charlie Gordon is now ntrying to distance himself for the brown envelope £995 donation scam in preparation for a go at the supreme leader (vassal of GB order) race in Scotland. Whit!

Magrit Gyrn is maneouvering to have a go at it. Whit! Whit?

There have been suggestions the Slab are so bereft of talent that Bendy Wendy should return De gaulle like to pick up the imperial baton.

I submit that it is not Bendy who suffered "mad Party Disease" but the whole bunch of them who were and still are sufferiing from a collective psychosis which was recognised some years ago in small pseudo religious groups, notably in Switzerland and the USA.

I hera tell that as a branding exercise ZaNuLab will be having all their supporters cut off their hair, buy new trainers and watch the skies for the return of the Hale Bob Comet.

Yes folks Labour have become a mass suicide cult!.

I will not bore you with a list of passed lunatic decisions and actions, I leave that to the Wardug.

I have news for them and all labour supporters everywhere the Hale Bob comet, for you, has arrived silently and invisibly. You are in fact not on Earth but on the comet whooshing silently out into outer space and scheduled to return here in about 300 years or so if you are lucky.


Earth to Mothership, Earth to Mothership, your Leader speaking, can you hear me Mothership, Gordon here, why did you leave me here on Earth?
35

Linda,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 07:22:28
S'me is well out of date.

It is new Labour which has adopted Tory policies and supports Trident WMD, Nuclear power, illegal war in Iraq,but opposed abolition of student endowment tuition fees, opposes fairer Local Income Tax supports privatisation of National Health Service, opposes independence for Scotland etc etc

Labour have much more in common with the Tories than any other party in UK politics.
36

MacGillicuddy,

28/07/2008 07:42:14
With Lord George of Foulke-all supporting him that's exactly what Gray's chances are, Foulke-all.
37

Breezy,

Argyll 28/07/2008 08:15:37
Andy Kerr.......an Accident and emergency waiting to happen.
38

S'me,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 08:25:46
Nationalists have taken away the power of local authorities by fixing their rates.. remember council tax capping/poll tax?
39

Venachar,

28/07/2008 08:36:12
Like Curran, Kerr will not answers a straight question. Complained about dentistry provision locally a while back when he was Minister all I got was gobbledygook and statistics. The man is yet another waste of skin.
40

Arrow,

Glasgow 28/07/2008 08:36:17
did not some Scottish poet once write:

Ye see yon birkie ca'd a lord
Wha struts an' stares an' a' that
Tho' hundreds worship at his word
He's but a coof for a' that
For a' that, an' a' that
His ribband, star and a' that
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that

really sums up M'lord Foulkes to a T.
something along the lines of "Ferrets, bag, fighting" seem to fit
41

Melly,

Cuckfield 28/07/2008 08:54:28
I had a spoonful of cornflakes about 1/2" from my mouth when I read George Foulkes`s "That shows the Nationalists are already worried about Iain." Now they`re all over the table !!!!!! Is he on the whisky this early in the morning ?
42

GM,

28/07/2008 09:09:14
So it all becomes clear at last -

"Privately, many Labour figures also feel that, with the current dominance of the SNP, it would be suicidal to fight a referendum and it would lead to the break-up of the UK."


Labour are wetting themselves as they now admit there's a chance they would lose any referendum... so true to their democratic form, they decide to oppose even asking the question.

Labout politics at its finest -
It seems the majority of folks might vote for independence, so lets not even give them a chance to vote...


lol - will they *never* learn?
43

Calum Crubag,

Alba gu brath! 28/07/2008 09:10:20
We want George Foulkes!

He can lord it over us anytime.
44

Phil C,

28/07/2008 09:11:36
I wonder if there will actually be a contest this time. Whatever happens they will no doubt need to raise a lerge amount of money for any campaign. The main thing is to get dodgy payments of about £950 and keep sshhhtum!! Nobody will ever find out.
45

Doctor S,

28/07/2008 09:27:33
Andy Kerr, it's not as if he has not "stepped up to the plate" in his past.


*Was found to have breached the MSP code with regards to Registered Interests/Gifts.

*Frequently seen at big football events as a guest of "Macdonald's." A health minister!


*Presided over the discredited centralisation and closing of A+E's, using 20 year old flawed American evidence gleaned from the internet.


*Presided over growing prison population and prison overcrowding


*Advocate, Architect & Defender of £50Billion PFI Profit


*Failed to tackle under age drinking.
46

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 28/07/2008 09:30:43
Oh yes, Andy Kerr - the man who tried to take credit for the last block grant increase just before everyone realised it was a bad one. Political heavyweight?

Anyway, his seat is on the target list. On current polling it's an SNP win at the next election. (He'll have to be on the party list..)


EAST KILBRIDE (Electorate: 66,935)

Majority: 1,972 Turnout: 35,902 (53.64%)

Candidate Party Votes
Kerr, Andy Labour 15,334
Fabiani, Linda Scottish National Party 13,362
Simpson, Graham Conservatives 4,114
Clark, David Liberal Democrats 3,092
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/07/2008 09:32:54
Headline:

"Glasgow East disaster persuades Kerr to run for Labour leadership"

One disaster encounters another?
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Doctor S,

28/07/2008 09:34:06
Kerrs pitch to the Sunday Herald:

"Many manifesto promises, made just over a year ago, are jettisoned. Their policies are paper thin, their plans built on sand."

**The term of office is 4 years and nothing has been jettisoned. As a minority government they have to live with what they can legislate for. Why for example did we see Labour and you abstaining on the budget after getting an amendment passed, bizzare.

"I do not want us to become narrow, self obsessed and bitter; to be closed off."

**You mean like Labour are in Holyrood and yourself since that day in may 2007 who has done nothing but attempt to invoke fear by waving shrouds and shouting that people were going to die.

"I don't want my kids, any Scots kids, to grow up watching new barriers built. I don't want any parent to have to explain to their children that the English - their friends and relatives - are strangers, now.".........

**Very dire and juvenile stuff. You have learned nothing from labours defeat at the hands of the SNP. All the old cliches and scaremongering, negative soundbites with no original thought. Is this your best effort. Did John Reid pass on his Ghostie Stories book to you.

"My generation's political legacy must not be a new sense of isolation - all because of the chip on Alex Salmond's shoulder.".........

**Unlike you Andy who seems to have got one on both. Labours 50 years of hegemony in Glasgow has left a horrible legacy, one you are now coming to regret.

"The SNP's weapon is fear. Mr Salmond wants Scots to believe that the English are conning us, stealing from us. He ignores all that unite us as he tries to create division.".......

**The division that new labour has created in society and the people you left behind in Glasgow East are what is now coming back to haunt you. It is not the English who have conned us but blinkered self interested hypocrites and their party politics who ride the Unions gravy train.

"He can try to dress up his separati
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Doctor S,

28/07/2008 09:34:49
"He can try to dress up his separatism as progressive, but the truth is Mr Salmond and his cohorts want to shatter Scots' confidence. Like a poisonous gossip, he whispers that the neighbours are out to get us - but if we stick with him, we'll be okay.".......The poison I detect is all here in your comments in The Sunday Herald, dreadfull dreadfull stuff Andy. Scotland has moved on it is time you got your head out of the sand and did likewise. Confidence in scots and Scotland is on the up thanks to the SNP.

You need to accept that more and more people like and trust what the SNP are doing and are coming round to the view that independence will be no bad thing. This has nothing to do with the ghostie soundbites you are spraying around, like ripping and tearing and breaking and strangers etc etc.
51

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/07/2008 09:36:07
"Lord George Foulkes, who will sign his nomination papers, said: "That shows the Nationalists are already worried about Iain [Gray]."

I am certainly worried about Iain. I think most people are !!
52

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/07/2008 09:37:42
"Ms Jamieson, who will launch her campaign today, wants to take Scottish Labour back to its "traditional roots"."

Anyone got any idea what "traditional roots" she is referring to?
53

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/07/2008 09:39:40
"Ms Jamieson also made it clear she would not be shy of FORGING policies"

More sleaze?
54

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/07/2008 09:42:04
"The important thing is that we all come from the SAME Labour tradition and our policies will reflect that," she said. "But what is right south of the Border may not be right for Scotland, and sometimes we will need DIFFERENT policies."

This is double-speak of Orwellian proportions.

Typical Labour. Same sh 1t, different day!
55

Arthur G,

Glasgow 28/07/2008 09:45:12
Kerr;

"...I thought to myself, if you don't stand up to the plate now, when are you going to do it?"

What does this mean? Does Kerr mean: 'step up to the plate?

I suppose that's the trouble you can get yourself into when you use language and phrases wgose meaning you don't understand. Unless, I'm wrong and Mr Kerr is a keen baseball player?
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Doctor S,

28/07/2008 09:48:09
Much play is being made now of the propaganda sound bite that only a few Scots actually want independence, by the unionist camp.

During the campaign for East Glasgow the SNP as they always do were conducting their own poll on the doors, this has been deliberately kept quite by the activists, and it was an essential tool. This was significant not least because of the time of day when these pro independence voters were found.

When Curran and her Labour camp "revealed" that John Mason was a "hardline indepndence supporter," it was a gift from the Gods.

The polling on the doors was revealing that support for independence was much higher than even the SNP expected and in particular in the constituency represented by Curran. Bailleston.

It was a turning point in the campaign. What else was significant and was found to be the case during the Scottish election, was that the SNP vote did not start to show until early evening, when people were returning from work. So we are seeing the employed, politically aware and young C2 groups now being drawn to not just the SNP but also independence.

All the pro unionist media are now chanting the same mantra as if it is going to make any difference. "Only a third of Scots," etc etc. A big shock awaits them yet again, East Glasgow was but a tremor.
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Scotsgait - The Independent Portal to Scotland,

28/07/2008 09:50:20
Whichever of Kerr/Gray/Jamieson/Gordon/McIntosh follows in the footsteps of Dewar, McLeish, McConnell and Alexander isn't going to improve the lot of Labour in Scotland for as long as the hypocrisy of the party is exposed and as our civil liberties are eroded on a seemingly daily basis.

Albeit small numbers, the latest Scotsgait poll is showing an overwhelming proportion believing that Glasgow East will be held by the SNP come the general election. If they're right, it shows the scale of the battle the new leader has to fight.

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scottish person,

paisley 28/07/2008 10:11:29
The man is an idiotic rabid nationalist.

Rufus, go back inside your unionist kennel. Andy Kerr would be a great labour leader for the SNP. He is a drongo. Iain Mc Whirter writes the truth. They have no head in Scotland, they do only maggie broons bidding.
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28/07/2008 10:14:27
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 28/07/2008 10:23:58
Can you get a good dinner out of it? How else can the East End be regenerated

I propose Tom Shiels to cut the first sod for a CIG. This would be the transatlanic rival to the famed Culinary Institute of America. We need Anthony Bourdain's wild side of cooking to get knives off the street and back'n the kitchen.

Did Kerr mean: 'step up to the plate?'
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Publius,

London 28/07/2008 10:25:51
My guess is that it takes about 10 years for a party that has suffered a big defeat to find a leader who can win elections. The next successful Scottish Labour Leader won't even be in Holyrood (or Westminster) at present. In the meantime Labour could well go through another 2 or 3 leaders.
The real political story over the next two or three years will about the UK general election in 2010, the Holyrood election in 2011 and the conjunction of a Tory UK government and an SNP government in Edinburgh. There is little Scottish Labour can do that will influence these events.
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28/07/2008 10:26:07
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28/07/2008 10:38:28
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brownlie,

28/07/2008 10:46:49
63 Hen Broon

Hen and your pals, please lay off AM2 - this country needs him like never before in our hour of unionist darkness.

Ian Gray went to my school so it should be interesting hearing him talk about economics. It would appear though that Ian has been given the kiss of death by the good Lord Foulkes - "The voice of one crying in the Wilderness prepare ye the way of the Lord - make his path straight". A helpful plea that should be handy on the way home after a liquid night- out.
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brownlie,

28/07/2008 11:10:50
66 Alberto

He was never in my class and probably never will be!
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AJ Fife,

28/07/2008 11:14:14
Cathy Jamieson for the Labour leadership!

At least, that's what Jonathon Watsoon would like!!:D
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JohnBowes,

28/07/2008 11:19:02
So what is Andy Kerr going to solve? Nepotism and cronyism within his party? The John Lewis list? The fact the party was hijacked long ago by middle class sickening characters like Trendy Wendy? Donalds lap dog?

Is he going to solve the type of policies that are spewing out of Westminster? This guy is a severe fantasist.

Is he going to solve the fact that Labour are proposing to hit the disabled and dying who are on Incapacity Benefit? The price of petrol that is hitting the poorest people? Or the removal of the 10p tax band?

Will he be taking money FROM the teachers and doctors - the type Labour have thrown money at and brown nosed?

All the BIG talk means ZERO. All that matters is reality/actions/policies. Labour are going to get humped at forthcoming elections. And they deserve to be.

How many people are on minimum wages in Scotland? And in hire and fire jobs? And in non-unionised jobs? How many are working BUT are worse off than they would be on the dole? How many are working but must still claim benefits?

Has he been to places like Strathclyde Park recently and the funfair there? Its all POLISH workers. FACT.

Has he been to places like Ardrossan and Irvine recently? Greenock? These places are dumps. The money in recent years has been spent on the cities.

Are we all to work in Tescos like?
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JohnBowes,

Greenock 28/07/2008 11:29:56
The Scotsman ought to take a photographer to Broomhill in Greenock. That is where David Cairns MP was BROUGHT up. He is the MP for that area. The place is akin to Beirut. It is truly a shocker.

Neither Cairns nor his party have done anything for that area. They simply pander to the villages in Inverclyde as per Kilmalcolm.

It is really a shocker and I ask that the Scotsman send a photographer to the area and show people what Cairns expects people to accept and live under.

He simply tels people tripe. Its tantamount to nonsense talk. He points to yuppy flats at Greenock Waterfront for instance. BUT how does that aid the people of Broomhill. He says jobs have been created. WHAT? Part time jobs in shops that have minimum wages? Packing shelves and cleaning toilets? otsman sends a photographer in order to show the world what Scotland now is because of people like Cairns.

He will always point to the future. Its always pie in the sky. BUT just look at whats there and think about how long it has been there.
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Neil,

Glasgow 28/07/2008 11:31:53
Foulkes was unambiguous in his support for war crimes, genocide & child sex slavery. All the real candidates weren't personally invoved in such things though they did loyally support their racist party in doing so.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 28/07/2008 11:34:57
Now that SNP and the Cons are doing a deal about retaining the Union (see today's D Mail), it would appear that we Federalists are winning the argument.

The only remaining function of Labour under who ever is merely to make SNP look good.
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JohnBowes,

28/07/2008 11:39:44
The Labour cabal in London mob have simply pandered and brown nosed the middle class and better off. They have done the same in Scotland. How much did they give teachers?

How many ex-teachers are at Holyrood?

Free care for the elderly? Aye, and that included millionaire pensioners. It was a hand out to the middle class. That money could have been directed at poor pensioners.

How much has speaker Martin got in expenses and freebies?
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subrosa,

28/07/2008 11:41:49
Will be interesting to see the leadership election expenses of each and every one of them. Will they make them public?
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JohnBowes,

28/07/2008 11:42:44
Cathy Jamieson has literally got a third class honours degree. SHE HAS A THIRD. WHO would vote for that? WHO? The King of the Village half wits? Its embarrassing.
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JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 28/07/2008 13:35:04
"ANDY Kerr, many people's favourite to become the next Scottish Labour leader, has said his party's Glasgow East by-election disaster convinced him to stand for the job."

The opposite should be the case..... the DISASTER that is the east end of Glasgow should be enough to convince anyone, but especially Labour politicians, that their policies have failed totally.

Successive Glasgow Labour councils and Labour Governments have failed the people of Glasgow's poorest areas for over 40 years.

What exactly is Kerr, or Brown or anyone esle from Labour going to do for Glasgow East?

The evidence of the last 40 or 50 years is absolutely nothing.

In fact in the last 20 years the east end has actually got worse.......
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Red Etin,

28/07/2008 13:37:18
"the next Scottish Labour leader"

Eh? Gordon Brown is the leader of Labour. Scottish Labour is not a party.

[BBC are making the same mistake.]
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Red Etin,

28/07/2008 13:39:09
Lord George Foulkes - the only man who still believes that WMD could yet be found in Iraq.
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Venachar,

28/07/2008 14:11:29
#70

When I left school in the early 70's in the Port, there were approximately 55,000 people AT WORK in the shipyards and associated industries. Birkmyre Mill is now "trendy" flats for the commuters to Glasgow.
Tesco has just about killed the town centre. More importantly a high proportion of my classmates are now spread out throughout the world earning their living. Friends Reunited show that they are in Norway, France, Canada, USA, South Africa, Australia, Kuwait, Qatar to name but a few. The ones that remain are mainly teachers, civil servants and a few doctors. Inverclyde is dead and if the wally's that call themselves politicians are happy to sustain that state of affairs then so be it. The days of always voting Labour are over. I had a better expectation for my kids and moved away years ago. I don't really like to go back either as it is depressing as I find the lack of ambition or expectation thoroughly degrading. Thatcher started it by killing major traditional industries and the Labour party condoned it by not replacing industries. It is about time that the electorate recognise how badly they have been served by both Labour and Conservative Governments over the last 40-50 years. It is time for change and I hope we have seen in Glasgow East the first example in Labour heartlands of not being taken for granted anymore.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 28/07/2008 14:11:57
It is such a joy to stand on the sidelines and watch all the snakes of the labour party try to beat their equally slimey comrades.

All eyes are on the Labour party and wow! how much to they disappoint. Out of touch or out of their minds. I am never sure.

Find a labour safe seat and you will find deprevation.
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Neil Waugh,

Canadian Scots for Curran 28/07/2008 14:14:11
Andy, Chattie Cathy, Gray Man Walking, Lord McHaw Haw, B-listers all of 'em.
It's back to the wall time brothers and sisters.
SLAB have no choice but to go for the Main Event.
Evil Magga - once more with hard feelings.
The mo is already building this side of the pond.
After her stunning victory in Glasgow East, there can be no other choice.
Margaret Curran for Labour leader, come on down!!
She already has the ludicrous red jumper, the fingernails-on-chalkboard voice and the I-got-it-owed-me attitude.
She's close enough to perfect for me.
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Scottish 'N British,

28/07/2008 14:27:27
Enough of this - Mason won Glasgow East fair and square.

Scottish Labour has had it's turn.

Now the ba's in the Separatistss' court.

We all wait in eager anticipation for the promises/initiatives (and Utopia) that the punters of Glasgow East voted for.

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brownlie,

28/07/2008 14:40:51
83 Scottish

Decent housing and a reasonable standard of living, which most of us take for granted and which they have been deprived of for long enough, would be regarded as Utopia by the "punters" of Glasgow East.
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Scottish 'N British,

28/07/2008 14:54:25
84

Thanks for that.

Are you saying Salmond's going to provide the money for this - when's the official announcement? I don't want to miss it.

With reagrds to jobs - a rethink on the dumping of apprenticeships would help.

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Nevsky,

Moscow 28/07/2008 16:02:13
85:

Why the question should be asked has Labour not delivered this in all their years in power? And why do you support a party that has palpably done nothing for the people who trusted them year after year?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 28/07/2008 16:03:25
What exactly DO you support in labour? Five bullet points will do and give us all a laugh!
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Richard Lionheart,

28/07/2008 16:40:23
Would have thought that the Glasgow East result would have shown Andy Kerr that it is time to change his politics!

Well done voters of Glasgow East. A great Result for Scotland and the UK.

Iain Gray is the only possible choice for Labour in Scotland. All the other candidates are too closely linked to the West Coast Labour Mafia.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 16:47:00
Labour is "The Listening Party", but it just ignores what it hears
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Doctor S,

28/07/2008 16:56:18
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Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias,
28/07/2008 10:14:27


Thankyou for the welcome. I tend to just surf through a lot of newspaper forums. But Kerr's remarks in the Sunday Herald need to be replied to as he was the architect of some of the worst decisions ever made for the NHSin Scotland from which we are still recovering.

Can you explain perhaps why the Hen Broon posts always get deleted. They seem to contain some very accurate and pertinent observations which this board is sadly lacking, present company excluded of course.

These posts are still available in the cache. There are some very good commentators on here and The Herald, but alas there are some very extreme and bitter ones.

Interesting times we are very privileged to see these events unfolding as another rich chapter in the history of Scotland unfolds.

Talk soon. S.
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ThePeter,

Glasgae 28/07/2008 17:41:52
So, after Wendy and Glasgow East Labour put up a candidate called Kerr
His initials would not we WAN would they????

If not, they should be
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 28/07/2008 19:00:32
I wonder how all these would be leaders will go about getting and dealing with donations this time.

That's something the media will of course be keeping a close eye on............won't it?
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ochone,

Sauchie, clack's 28/07/2008 19:03:05
It's worth remembering where Lord Geordy is concerned, that he is the one whom it is claimed was parachuted into Holyroods Labour ranks to lend the the benifit of his experience, which explains a hell of a lot.

Keep up the good work Lord Geordy
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brownlie,

28/07/2008 19:11:39
85 Scottish

Rome was not built in a day and neither can decent affordable houses in East Glasgow. However, in 50 years a lot of decent affordable houses can be built.

Totally agree re apprenticeships.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 28/07/2008 20:16:06