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Glasgow East by-election: Parties clash over crime as Lib Dem leader arrives in town



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Published Date: 09 July 2008
By DAVID GUNN
THE SNP and Labour today clashed over law and order in the Glasgow East by-election campaign.
Liberal leader Nick Clegg also hit the campaign trail in Glasgow East where nominations close later today.

Labour candidate Margaret Curran was today announcing a "safer street action plan".

But the SNP got in before her, claiming "early and ef
fective" action taken by the Nationalist administration in Holyrood had helped cut crime.

The Nationalists said crime had fallen by up to 24% in the constituency, and called for Labour to back action to tackle the problem of airguns and reduce access to cheap drink.

They also highlighted plans for recruiting an extra 1,000 police in Scotland.

SNP candidate John Mason said: "The SNP has a record of success in this constituency after only 12 months in government in training more police for our streets, tackling the gangs, reducing knife crime, and bringing forward radical proposals to target the cheap booze culture that fuels much of the violence in our communities.

"In the East End there has been a real improvement over recent months as funding for work to tackle the gang culture makes its way on to the streets, providing young people with alternatives to crime and breaking barriers between gangs.

Nick Clegg is joining his party's candidate, maths teacher Ian Robertson, on a visit to a Scottish Gas training centre.

The by-election is due to take place in just over a fortnight in one of the safest Labour seats in the country after the party's David Marshall stood down due to health reasons.

Labour holds a 13,500 majority over the Nationalists.

Ms Curran is the MSP for Glasgow Baillieston and was adopted as the party's candidate for the Westminster seat after the previous front-runner, George Ryan, pulled out citing family reasons.

Nationalist rival Mr Mason will officially submit his nomination papers at Glasgow City Chambers before nominations close later today.
Jimmy Reid, prominent leader of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders work-in of the 1970s, will later join Mr Mason at the Steam Hammer monument on Shettleston Road.

Tory leader Annabel Goldie will also be out campaigning in the Baillieston area of the constituency.



The full article contains 380 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Boy Wonder,

09/07/2008 09:38:36
Why do the Tories and Libdumbs bother?? Everyone KNOWS this is a 2 horse race!
2

Doh,

09/07/2008 09:51:54
#1 Boy Gormless

Yer dead right - on the money.

In a real democracy all the candidates would be approved by the dear leader - who dare they stand in they way of scotland's destiny. Traitors.
3

Yeah1,

09/07/2008 09:55:37
why don't you think about it? The tories and lib dems are obviously campaigning in order to try and take votes off labour so that the SNP win.

An SNP win would clearly badly damage labour and Gordon Brown and would therefore be of great advantage to the tories in particular.
4

G,

dundy 09/07/2008 10:08:43
What bare faced cheek by the SNP - crime may have dropped in this area but that has nothing to do with them - the figures are for before they were in power - so they are taking credit for Labour policies...then they have the brass neck to repeat their promise about 1000 extra coppers when they have already backed out of this manifesto promise...what next? Maybe they'll take the credit for the NHS whilst ducking the blame for the 1980's...
5

Alan B,

09/07/2008 10:22:47
#4 G

"Maybe they'll take the credit for the NHS whilst ducking the blame for the 1980's..."

What plannet are u on. The snp were nowhere near power in the 80s. Scotlands suffering economically in the 80s and 90s were due to tory and labour rule.

If labour hadn't lied about oil with the mcrone report then scotland might have taken the leap to independence and not suffered the 17yrs of tory rule.

If labour had not inserted undemocratic clauses to its own scottish assmebly referendum then scotland would have had its parliament back in 79/80 and would not have had to endure the worst of the thatcherite policies. Remember a majority of those that voted voted for the a scottish parliament at that time. It was only labour betraying scotlnad and democracy that stopped scotland getting it parliament decades before we did.

And while u are taking about the 80s why not go back further and the suffering of scotland in the 70s with labour incompetent economic management where inflation hit 25% and the uk had to go the imf for emergency loans as the country was virtually bankrupt and had the economy of a bannana republic.
6

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 10:41:23
The Nationalists said crime had fallen by up to 24% in the constituency, and called for Labour to back action to tackle the problem of airguns and reduce access to cheap drink.

Labour will appeal to the NED vote and tell them that the big bad SNP will take there livelihoods away.

#3Yeah1
You might have a point on that the Libs and Cons will want a SNP win so it will damage broon and they may well take votes from Labour, however i believe the SNP are more than capable of winning the seat without the help from the libs dums and the eaton party.
7

Calum10,

09/07/2008 10:49:31
Relevant issues will put Labour on the defensive in Glasgow East.

Crime is down under the SNP. Under Labour it spiraled.

Council tax has been frozen by the SNP and will be replaced by a fairer local income tax. Under Labour Scottish working families have seen their cost of living increase dramatically and their overall UK taxes increase.

Under the SNP poverty will be tackled by polices were there are agreed outcomes. Under Labour the party set only aspirational targets, but no plans, on poverty.

Under the SNP local businesses will pay less tax. Under Labour the SE England economy will go into a severe recession that will harm Scotland.

In one year of government the SNP have done more positive things for Scotland than the Labour party have in 11 years.
8

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 11:00:04
#7 Calum10

You have put Labour in a nutshell, (useless)
9

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 11:27:02
Quite amusing really,how some people think the SNP are the "in-thing"at the moment,the problem with this is the damage they are doing, and the credit they are taking, for Labours past achievements. The SNP are wonderful at spending the westminster money,wonder how they would fair if they had to raise their own.
10

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:29:11
Provided stupid labour do not win this election, I will be happy.

If they loose it convincingly, I will be over the moon.

If the Tories win, I may even go to the pub for a few celebratory beers.
11

Miss H,

09/07/2008 11:29:45
4 No the figures aren’t from before the SNP were in power. They are from the past 12 months – when the SNP were in power.

Now clearly it cannot be claimed that everything is down to the SNP and they haven’t claimed that. But some things are – the extra cash that has gone in specifically to tackle gang violence for example is down to the SNP and also the new direction on community policing. That would not be happening if the SNP had not won the election. You are quite wrong incidentally to talk about the SNP backing out of the 1000 additional police officers pledge. They haven't. No amount of Labour lies will change reality. There will be 750 additional police officers on the beat in the Strathclyde Force area alone within the next few years. You guys just make yourselves look stupid denying that.

But what is going to be really interesting in this by-election is whether Labour will continue to attack the SNP over their proposals on cheap drink. I suspect they won’t.
12

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:36:00
Marvellous to see Jimmy Reid becoming involved with the SNP candidate. He and 'brother' Fairley were the voice of Glasgow during the Clyde Shipyard 'sit ins'.

Being seen side by side with John Mason will do him no harm whatsoever, getting and endorsement from Jimmy would be of major importance to John's campaign.
13

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 11:47:00
#10 elizabeth the first

But you said under another moniker that you were a conservative voter, more hypocrisy and pure guff from a silly tranny..
14

Yeah1,

09/07/2008 11:54:09
#10

"If the Tories win, I may even go to the pub for a few celebratory beers."

You won't be going to the pub.
15

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 09/07/2008 11:55:56
#9 the SNP are not spending Westminsters money,they are spending money raised in Scotland.Problem,is,that westminster only give a little of it back and spends the rest on Trident,fighting wars in Iraq etc.The SNP are advocating exactly what you propose,ie that all money raised in Scotland be spent on what the voters in Scotland want.No reggional parliment with restricted powers can match the success of a fully independent parliament,that controls all of their income,but the SNP are doing a fine job under the restrictions.I think that the voters in Glashow East will approve of more police,freezing council tax,scrapping prescription charhes,plans to tackle homelessness and the booze culture etc.I don't know how the by election will go but the SNP must have a great chance when people examine their achievements in little more than one year.
16

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 09/07/2008 11:56:51
Crime figures have dropped dramatically because there are fewer Labour councillors in chambers to commit the crimes...
17

Yeah1,

09/07/2008 11:58:58
"The Nationalists said crime had fallen by up to 24% in the constituency".

The reason for the fall in crime in Glasgow East over the last 6 months is nothing to do with the SNP. Like all parties do they are simply jumping on someone else's bandwagon and claiming the praise for themselves.

The fall in crime is due to the Enhanced Policing Plan, a Strathclyde Police initiative which is nothing to do with the SNP.
18

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 12:04:04
#17

Ah ha, but crime fell under the SNP,s watch and not labours, crime for thought...WELL DONE SNP..
19

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 12:06:04
#17

sorry for spamming you ..(i feel like AM2/MIGHTY)but if crime had gone up then you would have blamed the SNP !! hypocrisy at its best..
20

Yeah1,

09/07/2008 12:13:45
#19

"if crime had gone up then you would have blamed the SNP !! hypocrisy at its best"

I'm not sure why exactly you feel you are able to read my mind and predict what I would say about a particular situation?

No I would not blame the SNP for a rise in crime, unless they had specifically done something to cause that rise - for example cutting the number of police or releasing lots of prisoners.

As I said in my post, not just the SNP but all parties are guilty of jumping on bandwagons and claiming praise for themselves for initiatives that have been introduced by others - its just that in this case its the SNP doing it.
21

Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:16:42
#17; #18

All crime figures are suspect. Not all crime is reported and not all crime is recorded by the police. In very poor areas like Glasgow East there is likely a lot of unrecorded crime. Many people won't have much faith in the police, they may not want to talk to the police and, if they're not insured, they won't make an insurance claim so they won't need a reference number for the police.
In any event a lot of types of crime should be going down, because they're committed by young men and the proportion of young men in the total population is falling.
22

M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State...... Coatbridge 09/07/2008 12:22:14
Don't worry Labourites, the streets are safe as long as Maggie is campaigning...or is that actually a Crime ?
23

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 12:34:14
#20

Okay sorry for the sweeping statement but surely some of the initiatives the SNP has put in place has had some effect on the falling crime levels..!!

#21...I agree that not all crime is recorded, Mrs Blair also said on TV that crime figures don't compare with reality
but the fact is (recorded) crime is down and this must reflect some down turn in crime.
24

Banana Heid,

Planet Zorg 09/07/2008 12:38:59
I think we can thank Kim and Aggie for the reduction in Grime...Nowt to do with politicians or the fuzz.
25

Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 12:39:49
Mrs Curran's voting record on behalf of Glasgow East
17th April 2008 - Voted against scrapping the Council Tax which soared
by 60% under Labour before the SNP froze it.

• 20th March 2008 - Voted to hamper councils building new council houses
by not restricting right to buy legislation which has seen council house
building plummet. Between 2004 and 2006 a grand total of only 6 houses
were been built by Local Authorities in Scotland.

• 28th February 2008 - Voted against scrapping the graduate endowment
tuition fee for students.

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support a freeze on the Council Tax.
(Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support record spending for local
authorities. (Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support reducing prescription charges - a
tax on the ill. (Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support 1000 extra police officers on
Scotland's streets- there will 750 extra in Strathclyde. (Abstained)

• 27th September 2008 - Voted against new patient rights.

• 14th June 2007 - Failed to oppose billions being wasted on weapons of
mass destruction.

• 27th June 2007 - Voted to spend half a billion pounds on a tram line in
Edinburgh - money which could, in part be spent on key transport
objectives in Glasgow
26

Miss H,

09/07/2008 12:41:25
17 and 20 The SNP has not claimed credit for anything that they haven’t done. They provided the cash to tackle gang fighting, they provided the cash for additional policing. Labour didn’t – Margaret Curran and her Labour colleagues did NOT vote for funding for any additional policing in the east end or anywhere else for that matter.

And do you really think that Strathclyde Police would be bringing in the reformd tney are without strong political support?

If the SNP were not in power it would not be happening. That's not necessarily a reason to vote SNP, it's just a statement of fact.
27

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 12:42:38
13. But i have had no other moniker.
28

Calum10,

09/07/2008 12:45:31
The comparison is stark.

Over the past year the SNP government have made a real difference to places like Glasgow East, while over the last 11 years, at both Westminster and Holyrood, Labour have been completely indifferent to the concerns of local people.

Voting Labour is bad for your health, your safety and your wallet.
29

Anaconda,

USA 09/07/2008 12:45:52
I posted this comment following another article before realizing that the last post prior to mine was in April and that mine would probably not be seen.

We have a serious crime problem here in the US the majority of which is committed by "minorities" both home grown and illegal. According to Federal crime statistics approximately 35,000 rapes are committed against European American women each year by Blacks and other minorities whereas fewer than 10 are reported where the rapist is White and the victim Black. This of course does not include the many other crimes of violence committed by the same segment of society.

I'm reading the articles in Scotsman with great surprise at the number of reported rapes and murders and so many of which are perpetrated upon young teenage girls. Another curious point is the absence of photographs of the perpetrators.
In the US the media always give a vague description of perpetrators e.g the suspect was wearing a black jacket and a baseball cap. Rarely is a mention made of the race of the perpetrator unless he is caught on a surveillance video which speaks for itself. Most people here consider that omission to be deliberate so as not to arouse panic in the populace by emphasizing what everyone already knows.
Does any of you suspect that the same thing is afoot in Scotland or has it always be so vis a vis the description and photos of suspects?
The only exception I noticed in my short time reading Scotsman was the case of the beating death of Emma the young prostitute by four men described as being Turkish immigrants.

Has violent crime in general increased in proportion to the number of immigrants from Third world Countries?
30

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 12:46:07
#27

lmao, yeh yeh and i hate football, naws it ?
31

Yeah1,

09/07/2008 12:52:51
#25 Linda:

Perhaps you should correct some of your glaring errors before posting information such as that - it may serve to make your points more authoritative.

For instance:

"Mrs Curran's voting record on behalf of Glasgow East"

Margaret Curran does not vote on behalf of Glasgow East, she is the MSP for Glasgow Ballieston and votes on behalf of that constituency.

"27th September 2008 - Voted against new patient rights."

She quite clearly did not vote against new patient rights on the 27 Sept 2008 since that date is in the future.
32

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 12:58:21
30.Excuse me! unless you can substantiate your accusations,please keep your misguided opinion to yourself.
33

Publius,

London 09/07/2008 12:58:29
25 Linda

You posted this on another board today. (I replied on the other board.) Someone else posted this yesterday. I begin to fear the future - an SNP state in which anyone who dares to disagree with the SNP is systematically and repeatedly abused.
What a horrible person you are.
34

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 12:58:33
#29

Interesting post but im not sure if i can grasp 100% of what your saying ? Anyway my view is if someone commits a crime and the police have a description of the person then they should say if that person was white, black or of Asian origin.

I would also say most crime in Scotland/UK is not committed by minorities but as a proportionate % to the over all population then i would say it was. Remember (its not an excuse i may add ) but a higher % of minorities in the UK live in poverty than the majority white population, poverty can bread crime.

Pink, balck , blue white yellow, name and shame..!!

35

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 13:01:45
#33

Go away im having an adult debate and BTW I'm visiting my mate at Roseburn terrace in an hours time..we are going ice skating and its a first for me but i learn very quick , fancy coming along for a spin.
36

Publius,

London 09/07/2008 13:02:12
#29 Anaconda

Without a lot more information I don't think anyone could reply to your post.
The only thing that is known about rape in the UK is that most rape is not committed by strangers. Perhpas things are different in the US.
37

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 13:02:39
35. what is "balck"?
38

BIG EYE,

Paisley 09/07/2008 13:03:35
It will be a crime if Labour get a single vote in Glasgow East.

They have been thieving on a grand scale for generations and their candidate should already be charged with perjury, unless she has forgotten her own address!

Unintentional wrongdoing...here we go again!
39

Upandunder,

09/07/2008 13:03:42
SNP will have to work hard, because Gordon Mugabrown's Zanu-Labour party can rely on the votes of those legions of neds and "I vote Labour because me pa did" simpletons who'd vote for a tailor's dummy with a red rosette.
40

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 13:07:45
33. I was ice skating before you were born, have you ever been to Edinburgh outdoor ice rink, it's wonderful.
41

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 13:09:53
#38 elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 13:02:39
35. what is "balck"?

It is my silly way of spelling "black"..come on get with it..lol
42

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 13:14:14
#41

liz i did not know Edinburgh had an outdoor ice rink unless your talking about the one at the winter gardens at new year ? then in that case all i have been is a spectator and a coat hanger when the rest of them enjoy the ice..
43

LEAL,

09/07/2008 13:14:57
Labour have nothing to offer Glasgow East
44

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 13:18:00
43. Never mind,but if you get the chance throw caution to the wind and have a go.
45

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 13:21:01
#45

okay liz, im off to do a jobby then im heading to the west end to pick up my mate, i will look for you on the ice..x
46

Sedov,

Scotland 09/07/2008 13:21:12
#44 Neither have the SNP or
The Lib Dems or
The Tories or
any of the rest of them

Buts what's new?



47

Upandunder,

09/07/2008 13:23:04
It's time the voting system was changed in Britain. Two votes for net taxpayers, one for others.
Why? Because the vote is essentially to decide who controls the public purse.
Therefore, people who pay into to the public purse should have a greater say how it is spent.
Why should Mr Ned or Little Miss Schemey have the same say at the ballot box as someone who works 45 hour weeks like I do?
48

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 13:32:49
Labour came to power in 1997 with such promises,a lot have been kept,some have not, but without the Labour party there would be no Scottish Devolution,and therefor no SNP Elected to Holyrood. Gordon Brown is not responsible for all Britains woes, we can thank T. Blair and the economic turn down for most, tony blair not only respected maggies policies,he implemented most of them,brown is doing his best in difficult times lets give him a chance.
49

DouglasT,

09/07/2008 13:36:24
An SNP victory in Glasgow East would be the best possible result for Scotland and for Labour in Scotland. Because of the poor quality of MSPs currently in the Labour ranks, whatever is said on here I have no doubt even the most ardent Labour supporters, in their hearts, are greatly disappointed with Labour's performance as an opposition. Defeat here just might bring the Labour party out of denial, bring in new blood and give Holyrood a responsible opposition which could only be to the benfit of the Scottish parliament.
50

Neil Waugh,

OLd Strathcona 09/07/2008 13:37:50
#25

What an informative post. Why aren't you doing the reporting and Gunn doing the blogging? C'mon David buddy, pick up the pace.
Looks like the Wicked Witch of the East isn't exactly what she says she is.
Especially when she didn't vote for the extra Strathclyde coppers.
51

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 09/07/2008 13:43:46
Broonies Loonies in their discredited lying corrupt New Labour Party should be the last people in the dis-united UK to even 'whisper' anything whatsoever in
connection with crime or its criminal effect on its victims. Just ask any off the many relatives of the victims. There never has been such a party of corrupt, political, and deceitful amateurs who have messed up the judicial system in such a manner; in our modern political history, as the present loonies now responsible. Don't believe me? Just read every one of their manifesto's since they set out to lie and deceive the voters from 1997!
52

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 13:47:36
50. Are you mad! defeat in Glasgow East will ensconce a tory government at westminster!
53

Alan B,

09/07/2008 13:51:41
#elizabeth the first

"Gordon Brown is not responsible for all Britains woes, we can thank T. Blair and the economic turn down for most"

With respect to the economy brown got a free rein from blair. Brown is responsible for much of the economic mess.

The basics about taxing and spending is to balance the budget over the economic cycle. Or atleast not run up huge deficits when the economic climate both domestically and globally are relatively decent.

He majorly fail in one of the most key objectives of government by running a lax fiscal policy. At the sametime as increase stealth taxes he also grew expenditure far higher than the ability of the economy to generate tax revenues. Some of that is down to the fact much of the employment growth is in the public sector and not the wealth generating private sector that will pay the taxes that support the public services we want.

At a time of economic slow down deficits should be allowed to rise and increases in public spending can balance slow downs. We cannot do that because of economic incompetence.

Further more it was under his watch that private sector debt grew to silly levels much of that becuase of his failure to implement policies to control house price inflation.

Recently there has been an increase in energy prices ie oil. Much of the increases could be offset with drops in taxes (the increases actually give the government greater taxes) but becuase of the mess of the uk finances we cannot do that.

If u want to look at other areas of incompetence u can look at the mess of pensions.

The one good thing brown did do was make the bank of england independent. However even here the inflation rate has been allowed to be at the upper end of target for much of that period. If for instance we had an cpi rate of 2% then when the higher food and energy prices hit we would be moving to the top end of the target and not having the high target breaking inflation we have. Remember rpi is alot higher than
54

indune1,

Canada 09/07/2008 13:51:42
35 - Lizzie - careful with your pedantry. It appears that you have a major problem with spelling as exhibited in your #9 posting. What you meant to say was "fare" vice "fair".

Live by the edit. Die by it.
55

Alan B,

09/07/2008 13:52:19
cont..

Remember rpi is alot higher than the measure brown chose to target cpi.

With relation to the rest that labour implemented at westminster little has any to do with scotland as health, policing, education and much of transport are devolved. Labour has little to improve any of these either south or north of the border.

56

steve 1511,

aberdeen 09/07/2008 14:12:41
FIFTY YEARS of labours failure in scotland is highlighted in the east end of glasgow, health unemployment drugs,crime, education ,housing,the only thing the past local mp seems to have done is fill his pouches with expenses he was not entitled to, as oxo, bisto and aunt bessies yorkshire puddings battle to get margaret curran to endorse their products as she attempt to get on the gravy train of labours sleaze and corruption party
57

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 14:29:26
57. Check out how much money has been thrown at Glasgow East,labour have tried their hardest to improve the lives of these people,but how can you,when all these people do is destroy what you are trying to achieve.
58

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 14:30:23
55. What a petty little individual!
59

indune1,

09/07/2008 14:35:52
59 - Oh, I see. You see fit to be the pedant with Spookie but you can't take it when your own shortcomings - literary, for a start - are exposed.

Your response indicates the type of person you are.

You are a fraud.

60

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 14:38:50
From the spectater,8th july,2008.
Money is spent here - billions of it. Right next door to the sink estate, new houses were being built. It probably cost as much to build them as it did to build the abandoned old ones. Just a few streets away there is a spa-king new arts centre, offering lattes and free bellydancing classes. There’s also a business centre, all gleaming wood and glass.
61

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 09/07/2008 14:38:51
Elizabeth the 1st? Of England,I should think!
62

Miss H,

09/07/2008 14:39:02
37 Actually we can. The east end of Glasgow has the lowest number of non-white residents and the highest crime.

If there is a link between ethnicity and crime therefore it indicates that white people are more likely to commit crime than non-white people.

However only someone totally daft would believe that there is an ethnic explanation of crime.

The link is between poverty/deprivation and crime therefore we should not be surprised that there is more crime in poor areas.

That is also the explanation for what happens in the States.
63

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 14:40:24
60. Tell you what,concern yourself with canadian affairs,we can look after our own.
64

Miss H,

09/07/2008 14:40:34
Elizabeth the First why don't you go off to the Telegraph or something? You are not contributing anything here. You have nothing but contempt for the people of Glasgow East. Just go away why don't you?
65

brownlie,

09/07/2008 14:47:06
48 Upandunder

In your system how many votes would individuals like Tom Hunter and Tom Farmer have?

Elizabeth the First

Are you familiar with the phrase "Tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime"?

Discuss,with examples, whether this has any relevance to the Labour campaign in Glasgow.

66

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 09/07/2008 14:53:09
9elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 11:27:02
27elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 12:42:38
33elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 12:58:21
38elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 13:02:39
41elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 13:07:45
45elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 13:18:00
49elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 13:32:49
53elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 13:47:36
58elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 14:29:2659
59elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 14:30:23
61elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 14:38:50
64elizabeth the first ,09/07/2008 14:40:24

You just cannot hide troll you leave a trail like a snail on this forum what a waste of carbon you are.

Is it not time to get your incontinence pants emptied, or are you wearing the 10 gallon night shift type?

You could try cat litter that is supposed to soak up a huge capacity and keeps the smell down?

Cyber Junkies Anonymous are looking for councilors, you would be a good candidate.

ALBA GU BRATH.
67

indune1,

Canada 09/07/2008 15:01:05

64 - "Tell you what,concern yourself with canadian affairs,we can look after our own."

You are a very petty person with a hugely inflated sense of your contribution to these threads.

Review my commentary and point to one instance where I passed an opinion on Scottish affairs.

And speaking of such matters, I do take great interest in the affairs of the country where my father and my brother and sister were born and where I still have extended family.

So Lizzie, stick to your own affairs.

Oh yes, another observation. Your #60 posting once again demonstrates your abysmal grasp of punctuation. Also, when addressing Canadians in the written word, please start with an upper-case "C'. It would show some respect and sophistry.
68

Shaken,

09/07/2008 15:10:01
Liz

You stil haven't dealt with the fact that if 'millions' have been spent to no effect. Do you think it is the community's fault receving this generous handout? Or would you not say that it is the fault of those who spend the money?

50 years of labour rule

50 % of the east end adults have no school quals
50% are on state handouts

Most will die 20 years before the national average

These are the facts Liz calling people petty and insulting those less fortunate is not a very becoming trait for an old tart..
69

willyam7,

lanarkshire 09/07/2008 15:18:04
maggie the curran bun desperately needs the 2, pays to avoid the forth coming resession and the john lewis vouchers for her new fitted kitchen and tv license.
70

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 15:26:36
69. So what are Labour supposed to do,force these people to get qualifications,the resources are there,if these people would rather waste their time boozing and smoking that is their call. If you think that 52 is old,you have a major problem!
71

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 15:31:06
68. Oh dear! you are a gomper,look buddy,take your arrogant opinion and go shove it.
72

westview,

here and now. 09/07/2008 15:42:09
They say "if it aint broke dont fix it. But the British Empire IS broke. The sooner Scotland is free of the mounting debts and social incohesion of South Britain the better. Thank goodness for the SNP as they steer us away from the sinking Titanic of the UK.
73

indune1,

Canada 09/07/2008 15:43:24


72 - Lizzie - Thank you for last posting. It demonstrated - once again - what a shallow, fraudlent person you are.

You demand civility - but show none.

You opine - but reject others.

You pretend - but in doing so, exhibit obvious shortcomings.

You dismiss - but fail to recognize that you should be dismissed.

I find it curious that you failed to respond to my previous postings except with an insult.


Question: Does water water freeze between your thighs?
74

Thomas1,

09/07/2008 15:46:46
With labour and liberal in tatters and tory not even on the horizon it's obvious the SNP will win.
75

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 09/07/2008 15:59:19
I am sure this Lizzie the first is in reality one of the Windsor's who was born with a silver spoon in her gub and probably lives in some palatial castle (more than likely 'stolen' from the people of Scotland).
If the people she seems to thrive and delight in denigrating had been given an equal chance in their young lives and the same class of Education as the off springs of the wealthy, their behaviour would probably have been very different.
Why,in 2008,should we still have different types off education for our youngsters? Class ridden private education should be completely removed from our so-called 'free democracy' and placed into the history books where it rightfully belongs. EVERY single child should start their young lives off with the same opportunity in the same educational environment and not in the obscene, 'them and us' medieaval educational system that plagues Blair and Brown's greedy and corrrupt UK, unequal society.
76

Anaconda,

USA 09/07/2008 16:04:07
#35
Spook in Leith,
Actually you did grasp it. The major media deliberately avoids descringing the race of the criminal in order to obscure the fact that Blacks especially commit a large percentage of the violent crime against Whites and each other.
For example a group of five people three men and two women were the victims of a home invasion by two Black BRothers who had, several days before, attacked two other White people, one of whom later died as a result of her injuries. This incident occured in Wichita, Kansas. The link to the story is below.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/carr_brothers/index.html

The case got no publicity save for the local press and would have gone un-noticed by the American people save for some Blogs and a New York radio Talk show host gave it much attention.

Meanwhile in Philadelphia, a teenager spray painted the "N word" on the sidewalk of an all White neighborhood where a Black single mother of two or three had recently moved. The incident spawned a town meeting on one of the major networks which was broadcast nationally for the purpose of discussing the evils of racism.
When BLacks attack Whites it is never racially motivated according to the Main Stream Media but in the extremely infrequent cases of a White on Black crime which generally consists of a remark made by a White it's as if a major catastrophe had occurred.
77

Florence,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 16:04:12
9 - ELIZABETH THE FIRST: You are obviously under the misapprehension that the people of Scotland contribute nothing to the Westminster coffers? How ill-informed you are.
78

Neil,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 16:22:21
The problem with saying "vote for us, we are against crime" is that it is difficult to find some party which is in favour of it.

Except for war crimes of course which Labour, Tories & LibDims are great supporters of.
79

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 16:29:43
78. No Florence it is you who is "ill informed", Scotland received 28 billion pounds from westminster, all i was saying was if Scotland had to raise that money would they be so cavalier in spending it.
80

Shaken,

09/07/2008 16:30:03
Anaconda

Without being facietous the race issue in the states is entrenched due to long years of inequality and fighting to gain equal citizenship.

Glasgows East End is worlds apart - 1.1% of the population are immigrants yet still have a lower standard of living than many eastern Eu countries.

This is due to 50 years of labour rule here grinding down the area. If you visited certain parts in the East End you'd wonder what the hell caused the dereliction and poverty..
81

Miss H,

09/07/2008 16:34:59
77 It is an interesting concept that black people in America are more predisposed to violent crime than white people in America.

I wonder, if that is the case, why it is that the ancestors of black Americans did not capture and enslave the ancestors of white Americans rather than the other way around?


It also makes me wonder why the ancestors of the native Americans - who, while not exactly black are certainly not white - did not invade, conquer and ultimately wipe out vast swathes of white Europeans so that they could claim their land and natural resources rather than the other way around.

One of life’s mysteries I guess.

82

Peter,

SNP for me! 09/07/2008 16:36:11
For a few seconds as I read the usual hootsmon puff I felt sorry for Magrat Gurn. What has she available to positively campaign about?

Brownovitch's free light bulbs - very useful to her constituents that have been cut off.

Labour's record on poverty - more kids in poverty in Glasgow East, lower life expectancy than the Gaza Strip

Job creation - Carriers Govan / Rosyth not the East End, Commonwealth Games little except for existing tradesmen

Explaining away why Labour changed their own rules on being an MSP and MP at the same time or why she is not fourth or fifth choice for the candidacy, how is Labour going to survive the £13 million of loans it has to repay while being £24 million overdrawn, how will she feel at the voluntary donation of 10% of her salary as an MP Millbank are taking to keep the lights on....
83

Miss H,

09/07/2008 16:36:42
80 We do raise that money you silly silly woman - the Westminster gives it back to us.

84

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 16:38:42
76. For your information,i was born into a middle class family,my father was a dental technician,my mother was a dental nurse. My husband works in the steel industry,and when i say works,that is what i mean 4 13 hour night shifts,so don't preach your poor bu--ers in Glasgow East rubbish to me,it's about time these layabouts got off their lazy backsides and did a days work.
85

indune1,

Canada 09/07/2008 16:43:27
84 - Miss H - don't waste your breath. Lizzie is quite delusional.

Hey Lizzie! Seems like your parents had something "oral" going on! MAkes one ask how you were conceived? AI?
86

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 16:46:01
84. And that's your story and you are sticking to it! How long did it take the SNP to indoctrinate you with that load of rubbish.
87

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 16:47:56
86. At least i had a father,which is more than i can say for you!
88

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 16:50:22
88. And now the cavalry has arrived,yippee!
89

elizabeth the first ,

09/07/2008 16:52:10
90.Excuse me! unless you can substantiate your accusations,please keep your misguided opinion to yourself.
90

indune1,

09/07/2008 16:54:41
89 - only DNA analysis will establish yours!

91 - Hey Meths! How are you?

I'm at home today working on a speech. As you can see, I take the odd break to have a poke at Lizzie the Worst.

She can't be Kimba. Lizzie is a much larger slag heap of pomposity and absurdity.

How's the plunge pool? Just back from Nova Scotia. Wonderful weather and lots of lobster followed by lashings of wine.

Cheers, Dunnie.
91

Geoff,

sa 09/07/2008 17:30:04
On the one hand I suppose the LibDems and tories feel they need to have some kind of profile so
find it incumbent to put up candidates. In reality neither of them stand a chance but there IS a chance they will split the vote and hand the seat to the SNP. If they are as avowedly UNionist as they profess to be then surely they shud stand back in favour of Labour in return for concessions elsewhere. A win for the SNP here would be the death knell opf Labour and Gordon Brown but as an unfortunate side effect,also threaten the union. Makes no sense but then politics it would seem is more about pride than practicality for many. And yes,yes I know YOU lot think that such a side effect would be brilliant..!
92

Geoff,

sa 09/07/2008 17:31:28
One Hundred?
93

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 17:38:00
Foiled Meths? Does Geoff wear a crinkly, shiny hat a la mode HM?