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Fringe comedy spat turns deadly serious as big names face eviction



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Published Date: 18 June 2008
TWO of the biggest Edinburgh Fringe promoters face being kicked out of their flagship venues because of the con- troversial "breakaway" Comedy Festival.
The Scotsman has learned that city council leaders are considering cancelling agreements from next year with the Assembly Rooms and Underbelly for their main venues if the new venture proves damaging.

Councillors and officials are said to be increasingly concerned at the way the fledgling festival is being promoted at the expense of the Fringe.

Senior sources claim the move is being actively explored in a bid to protect the Fringe "brand" and venues which are not part of the Comedy Festival, but are staging comedy on the Fringe.

One insider said: "The people running these venues should remember they are only leasing these buildings during the Fringe. It is not a given they will be allowed to return next year.

"Although the council doesn't have a huge financial input into the Fringe, it does provide significant support in other ways – in accommodating major events, issuing late licences and allowing buildings to be leased as venues.

"The Comedy Festival could up sticks from Edinburgh completely from next year and decant to another city. The onus is on the council to protect the brand of the Fringe."

The run-up to this year's Fringe has been dogged by controversy amid in-fighting between promoters and embarrassment for the Fringe after its official launch was overshadowed by the unveiling of the new festival.

The four biggest venues on the Fringe – Underbelly, Pleasance, Gilded Balloon and Assembly Rooms – have joined forces for the first time to run the new festival, although tickets for all their comedy shows are still available through the Fringe box office.

Councillor Steve Cardownie, the city's festivals and events champion, has led criticism of the new comedy festival.

He is expected to meet the main protagonists in the row over the next few days.

Bill Burdett-Coutts, the director of the Assembly Rooms, has also been accused of trying to hold the council to ransom by threatening to quit the Fringe altogether if a revamp of his main venue goes ahead.

Mr Cardownie said: "It's been suggested to me that the council could seek to influence who is granted a licence for a building during the Fringe, although I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen next year.

"We will be watching very closely what happens in Edinburgh this August and what is said publicly by the various parties.

"The council is under no illusions how important the Fringe is and we are concerned about anything that dilutes or damages the brand of the Fringe. The Edinburgh Comedy Festival did not exist until this year and has only been created by these venues."

Mr Burdett-Coutts said: "It does seem as if everybody is doing their bit to stir things up at the moment.

"That is a real shame, as we are not doing this for malicious reasons, and to not support this new comedy festival is crazy. We are simply trying to make (the Fringe] a success and bring more people to the city."

Controversy has raged over the creation of the Edinburgh Comedy Festival, which boasts Clive James, Ruby Wax, Ed Byrne and Billy Bailey among the headline performers for its first year.

As well as performing in her semi-autobiographical play, Joan Rivers will feature in a series of late-night gigs.

Fringe favourites such as Omid Djalili, Otis Lee Crenshaw and Tim Minchin will also be part of the new festival.

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THE recent annals of the Fringe are well-documented with spats between the city council and Bill Burdett-Coutts, the veteran impresario behind the Assembly Rooms empire.

The first rumblings of discontent came ten years ago when the council decided to raise the rent on the George Street venue and slash his grant. The next year he was facing eviction from the Assembly Rooms after racking up thousands of pounds in debts.

Then it emerged the council wanted to put the right to run shows in the venue out to contract, leading to Mr Burdett-Coutts complaining that he had been "kicked in the teeth".

But the council was forced to re-award the contract to the impresario after being threatened with legal action, and in recent years it has had a series of rolling agreements with Assembly Theatre.

However, relations between the two parties dissolved in December 2006 after the council published detailed plans to refurbish the building. The following summer Mr Burdett-Coutts pledged to fight the council's revamp, warning that it threatened to make his Fringe operation unviable.

Relations between the Underbelly's entrepreneurs, Ed Bartlam and Charlie Wood, have been much better since the council helped them get their fledgling operation off the ground by leasing out the space below the Central Library for their first venue.

But they upset councillors by demanding campsites in parks such as the Meadows.

The new comedy festival was drawn up without consultation with the council, which owns both the Assembly Rooms and the Underbelly.

Steve Cardownie warned: "Anything that detracts from that brand name is dangerous and worrying".

The full article contains 877 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Fifi la Bonbon,

18/06/2008 02:13:39
Threse people who are promoting this new "festival" brands are entirely dispensible.

I think it would be no bad thing if they were to decide to take their business elsewhere. Let them open a genuine comedy festival somewhere that needs the business, like Tomsk, or Longyearben, or Khartoum.

Mr Burdett-Coutts is deluded if he thinks that the Fringe needs his help "to make the Fringe a success and bring more people to the city." The genuine Fringe will do fine in their absence, especially if they take Ruby Wax and the like with them.
2

Mallory,

Edinburgh 18/06/2008 05:17:44
Typical Edinburgh stupidity. Burdett-Coutts has a long history of positive promotion of the Fringe and Assembly Rooms, and has a little experience of the entertainment business. Cardownie ran a pub which has long since gone bust.

Surely creating the Festival of Comedy brand is just facing the reality that far too much of the Edinburgh Fringe is comprised of stand-ups in clubs?

3

Pilrig.,

Livingston 18/06/2008 05:40:52
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
4

dba,

Edinburgh 18/06/2008 05:57:00
Why, oh why, do we put up with all of this bickering and self-publicing nonsense? The COuncil own the Assembly Rooms - if the Council decide to refurbish them to protect the fabric and layout of the buildings FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD - fine that's their public duty...heaven knows the venue has been gradually deteriorating year on year given Mr. Burdett-Coutts annual bash...

Thereafter there should be NO 'rolling deals' - the venue, as with all publicly owned vcenues, should be put out for annual contracts ON A COMPETETIVE basis; generate the BEST level of income for the City and ensure that everyone gets a chance to use it.

NO 'entrepeneur' or impressario should be allowed to 'dictate' to the Council whose first, second and last duty is to get the BEST deal for the City and it's hard taxed citizens.

WHY, oh WHY do we persist in subsidising these people...answers on a postcard to the City Financial Director who is having to close schools and other draconian measures to fill massive black holes in the COuncil coffers.

The young, the sick, the elderley have to take cuts while the luvvies and impressarios sail less than graciously over stormy waters...a good hard dose of reality should be applied NOW!
5

Sod off labour!,

edinburgh 18/06/2008 06:09:42
What about the bloomin council tax? oh sorry I should not live in Edinburgh, cos it's the most expensive place to live in err Scotland? apart from London......... but I've been here for 63 years! I don't want to live in the sticks. Oh but it's a beautiful morning, oh but it's a beautiful day, I've got a wonderful feeling, everything's going my way tra
la Stop moaning everyone and count yourselves lucky!
6

john z,

edinburgh 18/06/2008 07:33:41
Those behind this new 'comedy festival', are merely cashing in on the hard earned reputation of the Fringe itself - which is what brings the punters to Edinburgh.

The council should shaft these money grabbers promptly. There are many,many,many people who would happily jump at the chance to use these venues as an integral part of the Fringe.

If these money grabbing promoter leaches wish to run a separate festival, by all means let them do it, at a different time and another place. But let's not let them abuse the Fringe festival in the process. The only reason for these promoters doing this is greed, pure and simple.

Take their licenses away next year, and let those who are really willing to be part of the Fringe (rather than suck it dry) run the venues.
7

Scotish Exile,

18/06/2008 07:39:29
boring, boring, boring....."comedy festival" or "fringe" doesn't matter to the punters, its the acts that are playing that draws them in
8

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 18/06/2008 09:21:20
Cardownie was also convicted of punching a woman in the face and breaking her nose in the pub at the top of Broughton Street. I remember it very well. Now he is in charge of 'culture' in Edinburgh. Once a thug, always a thug.
9

Lochinvar,

Edinburgh 18/06/2008 09:34:58
"cos it's the most expensive place to live in err Scotland? apart from London"

Beautiful day it may be #5 but London! In Scotland! Ah dinnae think sae.
10

Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 18/06/2008 09:43:04
Eh?
What's the story here?
And why are so few of you posters able to spell corectly?
Are you all stupid, or just dyslexic?
Answers on a postcard, please.
x
11

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

18/06/2008 10:10:25
If these luvvies are as good as they think. Why don't the run the Comedy Festival outwith the Edinburgh Festival calendar. Let's see if they can run it without cashing in on the people who come for the Festival and Fringe.

The truth is they can't run it without the goodwill of the other festivals - that is just a fact.
12

alex paterson,

embra 18/06/2008 11:00:41
SShh i am trying to sleep.
13

20something,

Edinburgh 18/06/2008 12:03:37
Close them down! Let's make the Fringe "Fringe" again.

#10, you are a a muppet. x
14

Hamish Simpson,

Leith 18/06/2008 12:23:38
# 7 - Spot on

Still cannot believe that typical public sector jokers managed to screw up the IT booking system!
15

tom smith,

Edinburgh 18/06/2008 12:27:39
Oh for god's sake. Has nobody else had enough of the 'big-four-bashing' yet? It's all led by the same three people - a prize to anyone who can find an article in national press attacking the Comedy Fest that isn't attributable to Mr Ferguson, Mr Hennigan or Mr Sheppard.

What will actually happen if you throw Assembly or Underbelly out? The only operations with enough resources to run them effectively (by which I mean putting up the required cash, knowing what to do and being able to get acts) would be Gilded or Pleasance - oops, another part of the Dark Forces of Evil.

Stop your petty squabbling - we don't give a flying monkey's how our comedy is promoted, we just want a laugh. Is that too hard to understand? But I suppose that wouldn't provide anything for bored journos to stir up to fill column inches...
16

Downhill from here,

Pilrig 18/06/2008 13:14:35
# 10 - Spot on. Why do we persist on bashing those who are just trying to market themselves better? Why can't the Fringe change? It already has countless times (like when comedy started in the 1980s). If you try and preserve it like a holy grail, you'll end up tarnishing it. If the big four mean what they say (let's wait and see) and they raise sponsorship and that money goes to bringing performers and audiences into Edinburgh, that's got to be a good thing for the City. Stop moaning and let them get on with it...
17

Vandala,

18/06/2008 13:17:05
#14. Where on earth did you get the idea that the Council had something to do with the booking system? If you want to blame somebody, blame Pivotal Integration Ltd. The public sector have nothing to do with the commercial side of the Fringe.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories?articleid=4186280
18

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 18/06/2008 13:25:26
Who cares. The people of Edinburgh are sick and tired of the festival. We all know that it is not for the locals and it is one big bore. Time for it to be scaled back!
19

Hamish Simpson,

Leith 18/06/2008 14:14:29

#17

Pivotal are partially to blame but it is the jokers who selected them (given Pivotals demonstrably poor track record)and the inadequate tesing before going live.

Anything that goes terribly wrong usually has some public sector involvement.
20

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 18/06/2008 14:59:11
#4 dba - Why, oh why do you keep asking why, oh why?
21

Vandala,

18/06/2008 15:22:58
#19. Sigh. The Fringe company are registered charity who conduct their own business affairs. Public funding consists of less than ONE PER CENT of their annual turnover. Where is this public sector involvement you speak of? It's in the granting of performance licences for city-owned buildings and the provision of public safety. That's it.

So, explain again how "typical public sector jokers managed to screw up the IT booking system"?
22

Hamish Simpson,

Leith 18/06/2008 15:38:20

#21 - I take it you are part of the highly skilled brigade of public sector workforce? Surprised that you agree with my final sentence.
23

Downhill from here,

18/06/2008 16:15:56
#22 - reckon #21 works for the Fringe or Pivotal!
24

Slasher McGurk,

18/06/2008 17:49:27
The Fringe started life when eight theatre companies turned up uninvited to the inaugural Edinburgh International Festival in 1947.

Why are the Fringe organisers kicking up a stink, when they were started in a very similiar way. black, kettle, calling pot
25

Dr Egg,

18/06/2008 19:36:09
"The Comedy Festival could... decant to another city."

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. A Perrier for THAT joke!!!
26

Ian Doherty,

18/06/2008 20:45:49
Who else reckons Brian Ferguson is a shareholder in the Stand? Everytime Tommy Sheppard wants to stir things up, he must get onto the phone and promise a bigger divvie for next year. Yes Tommy, yes Tommy... 3 bags full o money and thank yew sir. This story is getting beyond a joke and about as old as Brian.
27

FringeLover,

Edinburgh 20/06/2008 16:11:03
Hmmm. I'm looking at the Comedy Festival programme now and on the front cover it says "Comedy listings for Assembly, Gilded Balloon, Pleasance and Underbelly" which is surely exactly what this is. Its a marketing excercise surely: the big 4 getting together to jointly market comedy at the Fringe.

Strikes me that most of the grumbling is using this as an excuse to start the annual mud slingling and whinging that we seem to do with great experitse here.

If the Fringe feels threatened it should get its act together and get a computer system that works. What "detracts from that (the Fringe) brand name" is failure to deliver, petty squabbles and politics. In the real world, brands have to compete. Oooo. Its not fair. Boo hoo.

And local politicians should be focussing on promoting the Fringe and the City, getting the best value for its local tax payers, and helping to resolve any issues like this, not adding fuel to the fire.

I also note that the Scotsman's logo appears on the front of the programme :)

 

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